It's based upon Herodotus. You have nothing to dispute Herodotus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
We have proof of the Indo-Europeans' culture since many thousand years ago. The Turkic's origins elude us in terms of history, and you'd better get used to it. The only thing left is genetics, and in terms of genetics all of Asia is mixed beyond reasonable recognition.Quote:
If you still believe this myth (itself 100% refuted by genetics, anhtropology, ethnography etc)... it's up to you, I can only welcome you the the 21st century. The Indo-European culture is not a rival with the Turkic culture,
Turkology is mere speculation prior to the time of Jesus Christ, and much later too! Can't help you if you are a rather modern people...Quote:
their origins and histories are much interspersed, the protestations appearing in the posting are aimed solely at distortions and misrepresentations endemic to the Eurocentric offshoot of the science, and a full credit must be given to Eurocentrism for the studies that unwittingly advanced Turkology.
It is present to many people, but it is present to ALL OF THE ALTAICS. That's what matters.Quote:
Coming to haplogroup C:
1. hp C is not limited to Altaics.
It is present to ALL OF THE IndoEuropeans. That's what matters.Quote:
2. hp R is not limited to IE's.
Everybody is a bastard since thousand of years ago, or else we would all be retards. We are trying to trace the original haplogroups of every language family, not those who were picked up along the way.Quote:
3. Language groups share multiple hp's!
It is!Quote:
4. Altaic is not even an accepted family, and it never will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages
Get over it!Quote:
Altaic /ælˈteɪɨk/ is a proposed language family of central Eurasia. Various versions include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Koreanic, and Japonic languages.[1] These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia through Central Asia to Anatolia and eastern Europe.[2] The group is named after the Altai Mountains, a mountain range in Central Asia.
The Altaic language families share numerous characteristics. The debate is over the origin of their similarities. One camp, often called the "Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from common descent from a proto-Altaic language spoken several thousand years ago. The other camp, often called the "anti-Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from areal interaction between the language groups concerned. Some linguists believe the case for either interpretation is about equally strong; they have been called the "skeptics".[3]
Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.[4] The expanded grouping, including Korean and Japanese, came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy. Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.[5]
Micro-Altaic includes about 66 living languages,[6] to which Macro-Altaic would add Korean, Japanese, and the Ryukyuan languages for a total of about 74. (These are estimates, depending on what is considered a language and what is considered a dialect. They do not include earlier states of languages, such as Middle Mongol or Old Japanese.)
For the moment, that is true. Nobody can prove this is the last evidence that shall be uncovered in the future. Furthermore, the vast majority of the ancient genetic samples are gone, this is why you need to take into accounts of history and archaeology as well...Quote:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...5&d=1421146680
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...4&d=1421146680
5. The most ancient source of R1a1 haplotypes is provided by the people now living in northern China. It was shown (Bittles et al., 2007) that for a number of Chinese (Sino-Tibetan+Altaic) populations, such as Hui, Bonan, Dongxiang, Salars, a percentage of R1a1 haplotypes reached 18% - 32%.
All of these Amerindians are C haplogroup, which further proves my point that the C haplogroup is the origin of the Turkic speaking people.Quote:
6. The gene pool of the Turkic-speaking peoples of Siberia such as Altaians, Khakas, Shors and Soyots, living between the Altai and Lake Baikal along the Sayan mountains, are genetically closest to Amerindians. Sorry, but I can't detect any sign of IE except of this.
It's a branch, not the trunk! The trunk is the C haplogroup...Quote:
7. Turkic branch of hp P ! ... keep ignoring it...
