It's just a fucking random similarity you idiot. Just because it is close (not even identical) doesn't prove anything. All languages have words resembling other unrelated words of other languages...Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
It's just a fucking random similarity you idiot. Just because it is close (not even identical) doesn't prove anything. All languages have words resembling other unrelated words of other languages...Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
Nobody knows where exactly did the Indo-Europeans originate. There are competing theories...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
It's the first time I hear that too. Not much of Ainu is left nowadays anyway, the language is heavily contaminated by Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
What are your arguments? The sun language theory???Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languagesQuote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.[4] The expanded grouping, including Korean and Japanese, came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy. Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.[5]It is present in all of the Altaic speaking people, thus it is a candidate. As I said, the Hungarians have 1% N haplogroup, but their Uralic language has roots in North Siberia where the N haplogroup dominates.Quote:
2. Haplogroup C is far from being shared/ancestral HG for Altaic-speaking peoples. Even haplogroup Q and R1a sounds more plausible.
This is where C peaks:Quote:
3. R1a peaks in Altai people, C doesn't.
http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ha..._C_%28Y-DNA%29
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HRq4KuMXBO...aplogroups.pngQuote:
In human genetics, Haplogroup C (RPS4Y=M130, M216) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup.
Haplogroup C seems to have come into existence shortly after M168 was introduced, probably at least 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Polynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean Peninsula and Manchuria, it displays its highest diversity among modern populations of India, and therefore it is hypothesized that Haplogroup C either originated or underwent its longest period of evolution and diversification within India or the greater South Asian coastal region.
What is interesting is that even the Aboriginal/Amerindian/Polynesian languages are mostly agglutinative, like the Altaic and Uralic languages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggluti...guage#Examples
This is proof of some common origins.Quote:
Examples of agglutinative languages include:
- Algonquian languages, namely Cree and Blackfoot
- Japanese language
- Koreanic languages
- Mongolic languages
- Tungusic languages
- Turkic languages
- Armenian language
- Athabaskan languages
- Austronesian languages[citation needed]
- Bantu languages (see Ganda)
- Dravidian languages, most prominent of which are Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam and Tulu
- Eskimo–Aleut languages, namely Aleut, Inuktitut, and Yupik
- Igboid languages
- Kartvelian languages
- some Mesoamerican and native North American languages including Nahuatl, Huastec, and Salish
- Muskogean languages
- Northeast and Northwest Caucasian languages
- Berber languages
- Some assert that Persian language is the only Iranian language which is agglutinative[3][4][5][6][7]
- many Uralic languages, namely Hungarian, Finnish and Sami languages
- Siouan languages, namely Lakota and Yuchi
- many Tibeto-Burman languages
- Quechua languages and Aymara
- Vasconic languages namely Basque, and the extinct Aquitanian
Many languages spoken by Ancient Near East peoples were agglutinative:
It is 1000% Indo-European. All of Western/North/South/Central Europe is full of R1b and Centum Indo-European. R1a is related to the Satem Indo-European languages, not the Centum ones...Quote:
R1b is not even Indo-European.
Are you... Sure???Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/anatolian-turks.html
What relation between East Asia and Turks are you fuming about???Quote:
...high resolution SNP analysis provides evidence of a detectable yet weak signal (<9%) of recent paternal gene flow from Central Asia...
...In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%...
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Don't bother trying to argue with them dude. I tried, and all i got was ridicule and thumbs down from them(see my signature).Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Because they assimilated them at a later point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
Nope, it doesn't sound convincing, and nope, nobody disputes that the Scythians were speaking an Iranian language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages
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The Scythian languages (/ˈsɪθiən/ or /ˈsɪğiən/) were a family of Iranian languages of the classical and late antiquity (Middle Iranian) period, spoken in a vast region of Eurasia named Scythia. Except for modern Ossetian, which descends from the Alanian variety, these languages are all extinct.
The location and extent of Scythia varied by time, but generally it encompassed the part of Eastern Europe east of the Vistula river and much of Central Asia. The dominant ethnic groups among the Scythians were nomadic pastoralists of Central Asia and the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Fragments of their speech known from inscriptions and words quoted in ancient authors as well as analysis of their names indicate that it was an Indo-European language, more specifically from the Iranian branch of the Indo-Iranian languages. Further classification is uncertain and elusive, though it is usually considered a part of the areal group of the Eastern Iranian languages. Alexander Lubotsky summarizes the known linguistic landscape as follows:[2]
Unfortunately, we know next to nothing about the Scythian of that period [Old Iranian] – we have only a couple of personal and tribal names in Greek and Persian sources at our disposal – and cannot even determine with any degree of certainty whether it was a single language.
It does. All of your shit is originating from your infamous "Sun language theory":Quote:
Do you even know what we are talking about? What the fuck does Pan-Turanism have to do with this? Why do you repeat that word like a fucking parrot?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory
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The Sun Language Theory (Turkish: Güneş Dil Teorisi) was a Turkish nationalist pseudoscientific linguistic hypothesis developed in Turkey in the 1930s that proposed that all human languages are descendants of one proto-Turkic primal language. The theory proposed that because this primal language had close phonemic resemblances to Turkish, all other languages can essentially be traced back to Turkic roots. According to the theory, the Central Asian worshippers, who wanted to salute the omnipotence of the sun and its life-giving qualities, had done so by transforming their meaningless blabbering into a coherent set of ritual utterings, and language was born, hence the name.[1]
What is certain is that the Scythians used to be Indo-Europeans, before anybody absorbed them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Basically, as Turks, you are definitely more stupid than the Arabs... And you do not even bother to dispute my claims to this!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
What East Asian parentage? I didn't see any part of East Asia in the map you provided! Not even Central Asia is really present:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
http://i.imgur.com/dirovcl.jpg
Are you kidding yourself or what???
Herodotus only preserved their words, which were analysed much later by modern scientists:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphawolf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Corpus
Herodotus did not categorize their language, as you can see...Quote:
Inscriptions
Some scholars ascribe certain inscribed objects found in the Carpathian Basin and in Central Asia to the Scythians, but the interpretation of these inscriptions remains disputed (given that nobody has definitively identified the alphabet or translated the content).
An inscription from Saqqez written in the Hieroglyphic Hittite script may represent Scythian: [9]
King Partitava equates to the Scythian king called Prototyēs in Herodotus (1.103) and known as Par-ta-tu-a in the Assyrian sources. ("Partatua of Sakasene" married the daughter of Esarhaddon c. 675 BC)
Transliteration: par-tì-ta₅-wa₅ ki-ś₃-a₄-á KUR-u-pa-ti QU-wa-a₅ | i₅-pa-ś₂-a-m₂ Transcription: Partitava xšaya DAHYUupati xva|ipašyam Translation: King Partitavas, the masters of the land property."
The Issyk inscription, found in a Scythian kurgan dating approximately to the 4th century BC, remains undeciphered, but some authorities assume that it represents Scythian.
Personal names
The primary sources for Scythian words remain the Scythian toponyms, tribal names, and numerous personal names in the ancient Greek texts and in the Greek inscriptions found in the Greek colonies on the Northern Black Sea Coast. These names suggest that the Scythian-Sarmatian language had close similarities to modern Ossetian.
Some scholars believe that many toponyms and hydronyms of the Russian and Ukrainian steppe have Scythian links. For example, Vasmer associates the name of the river Don with an assumed/reconstructed unattested Scythian word *dānu "water, river", and with Avestan dānu-, Pashto dand and Ossetian don. [10] The river names Don, Donets, Dnieper, Danube, Dniester and lake Donuzlav (the deepest one in Crimea, Ukraine) may also belong with the same word-group. [11]
Herodotus' Scythian etymologies
The Greek historian Herodotus provides another source of Scythian; he reports that the Scythians called the Amazons Oiorpata, and explains the name as a compound of oior, meaning "man", and pata, meaning "to kill" (Hist. 4,110).
- Most scholars associate oior "man" with Avestan vīra- "man, hero", Sanskrit vīra-, Latin vir (gen. virī) "man, hero, husband",[12][13] PIE *u̯iHro-. Various explanations account for pata "kill":
- Avestan paiti- "lord", Sanskrit pati-, PIE *poti-, cf. Lat. potestate (i.e. "man-ruler");[14]
- Ossetian maryn "kill", Pashto mrəl, Sanskrit mārayati, PIE *mer- "die" (confusion of Greek Μ and Π);[15]
- Ossetian fædyn "cleave", Sanskrit pātayati "fell", PIE *peth₂- "fall".[16]
- Alternatively, one scholar suggests Iranian aiwa- "one" + warah- "breast",[17] the Amazons believed to have removed a breast to aid drawing a bow, according to some ancient folklorists, and as reflected in Greek folk-etymology: a- (privative) + mazos, "without breast".
Elsewhere Herodotus explains the name of the mythical one-eyed tribe Arimaspoi as a compound of the Scythian words arima, meaning "one", and spu, meaning "eye" (Hist. 4,27).
- Some scholars connect arima "one" with Ossetian ærmæst "only", Avestic airime "quiet", Greek erēmos "empty", PIE *h₁(e)rh₁mo-?, and spu "eye" with Avestic spas- "foretell", Sanskrit spaś-, PIE *speḱ- "see".[18]
- However, Iranian usually expresses "one" and "eye" with words like aiwa- and čašman- (Ossetian īw and cæst).
- Other scholars reject Herodotus' etymology and derive the ethnonym Arimaspoi from Iranian aspa- "horse" instead.[19]
- Or the first part of the name may reflect something like Iranian raiwant- "rich", cf. Ossetian riwæ "rich".[20]
Herodotus' Scythian theonyms
Herodotus also gives a list of Scythian theonyms (Hist. 4.59):
- Tabiti = Hestia. Perhaps related to Sanskrit Tapatī, a heroine in the Mahābhārata, literally "the burning (one)".[21]
- Papaios = Zeus. Either "father" (Herodotus) or "protector", Avestan, Sanskrit pā- "protect", PIE *peh₃-.[22]
- Api = Gaia. Either "mother"[23] or "water", Avestan, Sanskrit āp-, PIE Hep-[24]
- Goitosyros or Oitosyros = Apollo. Perhaps Avestan gaēθa- "animal" + sūra- "rich".[25]
- Argimpasa or Artimpasa = Aphrodite Urania. To Ossetic art and Pashto or, "fire", Avestan āθra-.[26]
- Thagimasadas = Poseidon.
Pliny the Elder
Pliny the Elder's Natural History (AD 77-79) derives the name of the Caucasus from the Scythian kroy-khasis = ice-shining, white with snow (cf. Greek cryos = ice-cold).
I have tested myself on 23andme and later on ftdna. I knew i was +/- 15 east/central asian before ftdna published my results. According to ftdna there was no such thing as east asian populations. You can say my euro/indian pop is highly siberian/east asian shifted. This is the updated version:Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg
Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.
Btw, sogdians have assimilated in turkish gene pool before the seljuks even entered anatolia.
Add to that the Khotanese Scythian inscriptions of West China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Even when you talk about sycthians you try to provoke, you radical islamist. Would you like to hear that if I call you as a gypsy sunni?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Don't do that again.
no is not you retarded fuck, seems you didn't get your daily medicine. what a surpriceQuote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs5/i/200...by_svunnig.jpg
I thought alevi's were shaman turcomans.. even kurds are more loyal to turkey than you alevi's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Instinct
Why are you defending iran/shia?
even "dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia" persians have more scythian blood than you. Your ancestors were maybe greeks, armenians, kurds, balkan slavs, arabs or caucasians but not scythians or sogdiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice
keep dreaming about that, :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
All I see between those maps is that some wisecracks are scooping away your money with silly claims. The one map is virtually unrelated to the other one!!! The last map basically claims that your genes are 2/3 Anatolian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
The Iranian Shias were never "dark skinned, unibrowed or long faced".
The Sogdians and the Scythians were not originally Turkic or Altaic speaking people, no matter how much you masturbate about it... Get used to it...
Alevism, a religion itself is a mix of Shia Islam and Shamans. Well, we were not loyal to Ottomans of course we didn't need to be loyal to a barbaric so called empire (Ottomans are barbars) and we were their enemies but it's not the same with the republic of Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Turkey wouldn't be Turkey if we wouldn't be loyal like the other groups in Turkey.
Go to your fellow yazid kurdish brothers now so called turk.
Retard Turk, show us some of your silly Youtube videos, to laugh at the quality of your "arguments" again...Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
faggot greek, siktir git malaka lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
According to eurocentristsQuote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
this is a proud aryan
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...Kiro_Kazim.jpg
and this is a turkic invader
http://f.internetara.com/onbellek/12...bos_SL_kqh.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/yrvx97cz7/kurt_680557.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
hahahahaha
You are a disgrace to alevis. I know there are good, nationalistic alevis too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Instinct
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Originally Posted by Ice
the man shown in the first picture looks like a typical anatolian turks. His look is typical for your people. He looks like the quintessence of every turk i have seen. It is just funny that turks have still not realized that they not only speak the ugliest language in eurasia but are also the ugliest people there.
Well, he just wants to attack Shia Azeri and Persian people althought he describes himself as dark skinned and long faced salafi radical sunni beduin I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Khomeini's grandson;
http://en.trend.az/article_photo/201...ini_230513.jpg
http://www.enduringamerica.com/stora...=1316932818774
https://droi.files.wordpress.com/201...n-khomeini.jpg
[QUOTE=Ice;3295169]According to eurocentrists
No that is just a very pro Kurdish Laz.Quote:
And according to the rest of the world. These here are Aryans.
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The problem with you and what you don't understand Persians don't need to be descend of Scythians to be close to them, because they are relatives of them and belong to the same family and because even the non Proto_Iranic portion of Persians is West Eurasian and therefore closer to the Scythians than half Scythian and half East Eurasian mixed Turkic groups. Therefore even the darkest, most unibrowed Persian is geneticallly closer to Scythians. Turkic groups probably have some Scythian ancestry but their non Scythian ancestry is more foreign.
Also keep in mind we are talking here about Turkic groups of Central Asia. Turks of Anatolia have even less to do with them and are ironically close genetic cousins of Persians
The update was good.. i don't think i've wasted my money. If you analyse the updated version you can see the link with turkic migration to anatolia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
It's your problem if you can't afford the test. Maybe you don't have the balls to take the test?
Persians (4 grandparetns) are very ugly people. Good looking persians must have azeri,turkmen or kurd ancestry. The mollahs allow them to have anal sex with their ugly wives, still there are many iranians fags. Especially in the netherlands. They are fag + anti-islam at the same time,perhaps just like you?
There are not neo Ottoman Alevis. You are a pro sunni yazid who tries to insult Alevis, Azeris and Persians because of their religion any time. It's just stupid, be careful what you say. Nationalistic Alevis are the nationalists of Turks and Ataturk, not Ottomans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Most of Alevis are Kemalists like my family and elders and they care about equality, modernity in Turkey.
uhhh göttekin is so butthurt that his butt has started to burn. Give him some vaseline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
nereden, nasıl ve kaça yaptırdın testi sen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
hahaha you donkeyfucker sorani , you need that too hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
sikik, türkçe biliyorsan cevap ver bi merak ettim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
Humeyni is azeri. Btw, iran was ruled by turks for a millennia. Pehlevi dynasty is the only persian dynasty that took control over iran after Omar (god bless him) have conquested iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Instinct
How ugly beduin you are, you still insult the holy values of millions of Turks and you talk about Turanism etc. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice
o sikik eşek sikmekten iki kelimeyi yanyana getiremez, sorani eşeği aq kodumun tayyipçi barzanici köpeği işteQuote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
Turkish is not allowed here. Go speak Turkish somewhere else.