Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[Petros Houhoulis]

so and what means -ko
funny guy, there is also an Shovgen-ovsky rajon in Adigeya

Территория Русские Адыгейцы Армяне Украинцы Курды
г. Майкоп 72,6 % 16,7 % 3,0 % 2,5 % 0,0 %
г. Адыгейск 18,1 % 78,4 % 0,4 % 0,6 % -
Сельская местность
г. Майкопа 79,9 % 6,0 % 2,3 % 2,6 % 0,8 %
Гиагинский р-н 86,7 % 2,8 % 3,1 % 2,1 % 0,1 %
Кошехабльский р-н 43,0 % 49,4 % 2,0 % 0,8 % -
Красногвардейский р-н 63,0 % 17,3 % 1,8 % 1,7 % 10,3 %
Майкопский р-н 81,2 % 1,5 % 10,0 % 2,8 % 0,1 %
Тахтамукайский р-н 54,7 % 34,7 % 2,6 % 1,8 % 0,1 %
Теучежский р-н 27,2 % 68,4 % 1,0 % 0,8 % 0,1 %
Шовгеновский р-н 33,6 % 62,5 % 0,4 % 0,7 % 0,0 %
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90...B3%D0%B5%D1%8F

It's just a fucking random similarity you idiot. Just because it is close (not even identical) doesn't prove anything. All languages have words resembling other unrelated words of other languages...

[Petros Houhoulis]

indoeuropeans didnt orginated in west asia, they orginated somewhere in the pontic-caspian steppe and central asia was very early populated by them also because it is not far away from the eastern european steppe

Nobody knows where exactly did the Indo-Europeans originate. There are competing theories...

[Petros Houhoulis]

I recently had an eye at the article on Altaic at wiki and saw that Ainu was included. I never heard of that theory. Ainu are known to carry the y-haplogroup D which is also common in Tibet.

It's the first time I hear that too. Not much of Ainu is left nowadays anyway, the language is heavily contaminated by Japanese.

[Petros Houhoulis]

do you have arguments, you much more mr. retarded? tell me do you hear what they spoke ha?

What are your arguments? The sun language theory???

[Petros Houhoulis]

I'm talking to an idiot.

1. The classification of the Korean and Japanese language is heavily disputed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.^[4] The expanded grouping, including Korean and Japanese, came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy. Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.^[5]

2. Haplogroup C is far from being shared/ancestral HG for Altaic-speaking peoples. Even haplogroup Q and R1a sounds more plausible.

It is present in all of the Altaic speaking people, thus it is a candidate. As I said, the Hungarians have 1% N haplogroup, but their Uralic language has roots in North Siberia where the N haplogroup dominates.

3. R1a peaks in Altai people, C doesn't.

This is where C peaks:

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ha..._C_%28Y-DNA%29

In human genetics, Haplogroup C (RPS4Y=M130, M216) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup.

Haplogroup C seems to have come into existence shortly after M168 was introduced, probably at least 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Polynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean Peninsula and Manchuria, it displays its highest diversity among modern populations of India, and therefore it is hypothesized that Haplogroup C either originated or underwent its longest period of evolution and diversification within India or the greater South Asian coastal region.

What is interesting is that even the Aboriginal/Amerindian/Polynesian languages are mostly agglutinative, like the Altaic and Uralic languages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggluti...guage#Examples

Examples of agglutinative languages include:

• Algonquian languages, namely Cree and Blackfoot
• Japanese language
• Koreanic languages
• Mongolic languages
• Tungusic languages
• Turkic languages
• Armenian language
• Athabaskan languages
• Austronesian languages^{[citation needed]}
• Bantu languages (see Ganda)
• Dravidian languages, most prominent of which are Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam and Tulu
• Eskimo–Aleut languages, namely Aleut, Inuktitut, and Yupik
• Igboid languages
• Kartvelian languages
• some Mesoamerican and native North American languages including Nahuatl, Huastec, and Salish
• Muskogean languages
• Northeast and Northwest Caucasian languages
• Berber languages
• Some assert that Persian language is the only Iranian language which is agglutinative^{[3][4][5][6][7]}
• many Uralic languages, namely Hungarian, Finnish and Sami languages
• Siouan languages, namely Lakota and Yuchi
• many Tibeto-Burman languages
• Quechua languages and Aymara
• Vasconic languages namely Basque, and the extinct Aquitanian

Many languages spoken by Ancient Near East peoples were agglutinative:

• Gutian
• Elamite
• Hattic
• Hurrian
• Kassite
• Lullubi
• Sumerian
• Urartian

This is proof of some common origins.

R1b is not even Indo-European.

It is 1000% Indo-European. All of Western/North/South/Central Europe is full of R1b and Centum Indo-European. R1a is related to the Satem Indo-European languages, not the Centum ones...

[Petros Houhoulis]

It's difficult to find a Turk without East Asian/Siberian admixture, which is absent in ordinary Greeks & Armenians. You can't even know the difference between a Turk and a Mongol you moron.

Are you... Sure???

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/anatolian-turks.html

...high resolution SNP analysis provides evidence of a detectable yet weak signal (<9%) of recent paternal gene flow from Central Asia...

...In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%...

What relation between East Asia and Turks are you fuming about???

[Petros Houhoulis]

Anatolian Turks: 28% Turkic
Armenians: 42% Turkic
Kurds: very close to Turkic like Armenian

Source?

[Kamal900]

Source?

Don't bother trying to argue with them dude. I tried, and all i got was ridicule and thumbs down from them(see my signature).

[Petros Houhoulis]

Sakas (Massagetae) were called Turanian (an Iranic term) by Iranians, not by Turanists you idiot. Scythians were Indo-European speaking (still disputed though), but later absorbed into the culture and identity of incoming Turkic tribes. What we are saying is Central Asian Turks are genetically & culturally more related to Saka/Scythian/Massagetae than modern Iranians or Slavs are.

Because they assimilated them at a later point?

Nope, it doesn't sound convincing, and nope, nobody disputes that the Scythians were speaking an Iranian language:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages

The Scythian languages (/ˈsɪθiən/ or /ˈsɪðiən/) were a family of Iranian languages of the classical and late antiquity (Middle Iranian) period, spoken in a vast region of Eurasia named Scythia. Except for modern Ossetian, which descends from the Alanian variety, these languages are all extinct.
The location and extent of Scythia varied by time, but generally it encompassed the part of Eastern Europe east of the Vistula river and much of Central Asia. The dominant ethnic groups among the Scythians were nomadic pastoralists of Central Asia and the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Fragments of their speech known from inscriptions and words quoted in ancient authors as well as analysis of their names indicate that it was an Indo-European language, more specifically from the Iranian branch of the Indo-Iranian languages. Further classification is uncertain and elusive, though it is usually considered a part of the areal group of the Eastern Iranian languages. Alexander Lubotsky summarizes the known linguistic landscape as follows:^[2]

Unfortunately, we know next to nothing about the Scythian of that period [Old Iranian] – we have only a couple of personal and tribal names in Greek and Persian sources at our disposal – and cannot even determine with any degree of certainty whether it was a single language.

Do you even know what we are talking about? What the fuck does Pan-Turanism have to do with this? Why do you repeat that word like a fucking parrot?

It does. All of your shit is originating from your infamous "Sun language theory":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory

The Sun Language Theory (Turkish: Güneş Dil Teorisi) was a Turkish nationalist pseudoscientific linguistic hypothesis developed in Turkey in the 1930s that proposed that all human languages are descendants of one proto-Turkic primal language. The theory proposed that because this primal language had close phonemic resemblances to Turkish, all other languages can essentially be traced back to Turkic roots. According to the theory, the Central Asian worshippers, who wanted to salute the omnipotence of the sun and its life-giving qualities, had done so by transforming their meaningless blabbering into a coherent set of ritual utterings, and language was born, hence the name.^[1]

[Petros Houhoulis]

When i sent my raw dna to Mcdonald he told me this: Turkish, but apparently mixed; premixed Central Asian.

I think after caucasian people, turks have absorbed most sycthian blood, more than iranians. I'm not sure though.

What is certain is that the Scythians used to be Indo-Europeans, before anybody absorbed them...