Iron Age Croatia ?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I see Early Iron Age sample from Croatia added to nMonte runner. That's very exciting and I didn't know we had anything beyond middle bronze age.
Anyone know where is it from, what is it genetically like ?

1200 BC
mtDNA: HV0e

I tried modeling myself with Avar Szolad and that, but fit is rather bad (close to 4). Suprisingly Dalmatian MBA sample works lot better with me (excellent fit below 3),
shouldn't later samples provide better fit ?

If you know anything about this sample help to shed some light.

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Nothing new except its name.
In previous versions it was called Balkans_BA:I3313.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

It's from Zagreb most likely and that's logical since biggest amount of Croats live there.
I don't think it's pure Kajkavian tho because I am very close to it, only bit more east and even less more south, cloeser to that than Ph2ter is who is Kajkavian. (I think)

But again, he cluster more north than average Slovenes.

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"sample": "Custom:AGUser_ph2ter",
"fit": 1.921,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 83.33,
"HRV_Early_IA": 11.67,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 5,


"closestDistances":
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 2.473108",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 4.423726",
"HRV_Early_IA:I3313: 9.382015",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL30: 14.856289",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38: 14.903409",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL25: 15.140503"


Average Croatian is average Croatian, not average Kajkavian Croatian.
Average Kajkavian is more northeastern than Slovenian. Slovenes in average have more admixture from local pre-Slavic populations than Kajkavian Croatians who are more Slavic and less local (Illyrian or Celtic)

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Originally Posted by Dickski

yeah but how accurate can it be since Hun avar is one sample, Hrv IA also one sample but ITA collegno 17 samples?

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ITA_Collegno_MA_o1 are only 3 samples. _o1 means outlier group 1.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

"sample": "Custom:Feodora_scaled",
"fit": 2.8411,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 62.5,
"HRV_MBA": 30.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 6.67,

Fit did not improve, remain the same . I would say Roman input is insignificant. What do you think ?

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My:
"sample": "Custom:AGUser_ph2ter",
"fit": 2.0471,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 85,
"HRV_MBA": 11.67,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 3.33,


"closestDistances":
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 2.473108",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 4.423726",
"HRV_MBA:I4331: 9.178576",
"HRV_MBA:I4332: 9.711234",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL30: 14.856289",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38: 14.903409",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL25: 15.140503"

},

Someone mentioned Kajkavian Croatian, so I'm here.

What? Can you share your results in gedmatch and G25?

Nice to see here someone like me. :)

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

What? Can you share your results in gedmatch and G25?

Nice to see here someone like me. :)

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I don't have them, but soon, very soon. :)

I didn't see you around here, nice to meet you too. :) I'm known here for having 100% dinarid look altough I'm Kajkavian. :D

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Originally Posted by Celine

I don't have them, but soon, very soon. :)

I didn't see you around here, nice to meet you too. :) I'm known here for having 100% dinarid look altough I'm Kajkavian. :D

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I am not here very long. I was more in Anthrogenica. Mainly in autosomal section.
You understand taxonomy? How do you classify my phenotype?

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Nothing new except its name.
In previous versions it was called Balkans_BA:I3313.

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Why did somebody change it's name ? :picard2:

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_ph2ter",
"fit": 1.921,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 83.33,
"HRV_Early_IA": 11.67,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 5,


"closestDistances":
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 2.473108",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 4.423726",
"HRV_Early_IA:I3313: 9.382015",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL30: 14.856289",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38: 14.903409",
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL25: 15.140503"


Average Croatian is average Croatian, not average Kajkavian Croatian.
Average Kajkavian is more northeastern than Slovenian. Slovenes in average have more admixture from local pre-Slavic populations than Kajkavian Croatians who are more Slavic and less local (Illyrian or Celtic)

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:thumb001:
Yup, that's what I said. G25 average isn't Kajkavian but average for Croatia, probably like typical inhabitant of Zagreb, who are mix of all Cro regions.

Very interestingly, I menaged to lower the fit for myself adding Iron Age Baltic sample.

"fit": 2.6813,

"HRV_MBA": 46.67,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 29.17,
"Baltic_EST_IA": 24.17,