Why would Arabs assimilate into those groups? Iraq is an Arab republic, isn't being an Arab easier and more beneficial there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
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Why would Arabs assimilate into those groups? Iraq is an Arab republic, isn't being an Arab easier and more beneficial there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
Turkmens in Iraq are slaughtered, migrated away or assimilated- the rest are heavily intermixed. Turkomania(Türkmeneli) is now Kurdistan, sadly it looks like the Turkmens will die out in Iraq. Those who still speak Turkish are the rest of the Turkmen community, comparable with endangered species which everybody tries to save, although it is obvious that their situation is hopeless...
My wording was a bit wrong there, ofc most people in Iraq including in the Kurdish ruled part speak Arabic and it's the more prestigious language, especially amongst minorities but when the Kurds from the villages around Erbil started moving into the city in the post War era they quickly became the majority and the muslims who already had ties with them who lived there got assimilated into their culture and language. But I'm sure most Turkmen and Arabs who are left in Erbil also speak Arabic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Double...
There aren't any Arabs from Erbil city today. There are only some in the countryside of Makhmour in S. Erbil governorate. There were some in the past, but I don't know what happened to them. Erbil pre-1950 was also majority Kurdish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
https://i.ibb.co/9qv58xB/98-FFA2-C3-...B622-B1-FB.png
What are your sources for this? The earliest data on the population of Erbil is from British sources, and these all show a Kurdish majority. Ottoman sources mention the vilayet of Mosul as a whole, again with a Kurdish majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
Exactly. In Erbil the only assimilation that happened was Kurds identifying as Turkmen during the Baath regime because it was more favourable. Many of my 'Turkmen' relatives are these kind of Turkmens, they have Kurdish origins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Syrian with some Lebanese (Damascus & Beirut)
Gedrosia 15.58
Siberian -
Northwest_African 5.19
Southeast_Asian 0.61
Atlantic_Med 11.85
North_European 4.19
South_Asian 1.31
East_African 3.10
Southwest_Asian 17.80
East_Asian 0.31
Caucasus 39.48
Sub_Saharan 0.57
Target: SYR
Distance: 2.9247% / 2.92468342 | ADC: 0.5x
38.0 Turkmen_Iraq
31.0 Nusayri_Turkey
26.2 Lebanese
2.6 Turk_Southeast
2.2 Algerian
Target: SYR
Distance: 1.3510% / 1.35104854 | ADC: 0.25x
42.0 Nusayri_Turkey
35.2 Turkmen_Iraq
15.6 Lebanese
3.2 Kurd_Sorani
2.0 Mozabite
1.0 Sandawe_He
0.6 Somali
0.4 Turk_East
Yes the region around Erbil, not Erbil city itself which I was very clear with. Your source doesn't show Erbil city which was relatively small in the early 1900s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
There's a clear difference between the muslim town dwellers and the peasents in the surroundings when it comes to the larger cities of Northern Iraq.
As an example, muslims both Turkmen and Kurds from Erbil city proper.
Spoiler!
And muslims from Kirkuk
Spoiler!
Compare with a Kurd from a small village between Kirkuk and Erbil
North_Atlantic 1.64 Pct
Baltic 3.29 Pct
West_Med 4.76 Pct
West_Asian 40.67 Pct
East_Med 31.70 Pct
Red_Sea 5.97 Pct
South_Asian 8.28 Pct
East_Asian 1.32 Pct
Siberian 0.70 Pct
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.97 Pct
It's obvious the elevated Red Sea and the minor SSA in these townspeople comes from mixing with Arabs of the area. Which didn't happen in the villages.
I have to remind you that this thread is about Dodecad K12b, please use it here or go post elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
Erbil old city is shown in the first row where Kurds had a 65%-74% majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
Judging from his name this must be a Yarsan Kurd
Population
Gedrosia 25.86 Pct
Siberian 2.19 Pct
Northwest_African 1.70 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.82 Pct
North_European 7.38 Pct
South_Asian 4.27 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.74 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Caucasus 39.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
to: T418664
3.19031346 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.73606745 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.50483074 Kurd_Sorani
4.66213470 Iranian
4.72389670 Zaza
5.03138152 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.05224702 Lur_Iran
5.52138570 Kurd_KAZ
5.62063164 Kurd
6.21220573 Kurds
6.47472779 Iranian_Fars
6.87618353 Azerbaijani
6.87800843 Turkmen_Iraq
7.14625077 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.79163012 Iranians
8.27879822 Iran_Central_East
8.38475402 Iran_Mazandaran
9.61410422 Turk_Southeast
10.35888508 Iran_Khorasan
10.57872866 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.89658662 Turk_East
10.99780433 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.43649870 Turk_Central_East
13.17515844 Turk_South
14.02246769 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Yarsan Kurd from Kirkuk
Population
Gedrosia 23.78 Pct
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Northwest_African 1.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.25 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.61 Pct
North_European 7.03 Pct
South_Asian 4.45 Pct
East_African 0.87 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.81 Pct
East_Asian 0.60 Pct
Caucasus 38.63 Pct
Sub_Saharan
Distance to: T850233
1.71671197 Kurd_Sorani
2.83802748 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.16014423 Turkmen_Iraq
4.51608237 Zaza
5.01342199 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.12996101 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.31806356 Lur_Iran
6.11216001 Iranian_Fars
6.34793667 Azerbaijani
6.71083452 Iranian
6.74994074 Kurd_KAZ
6.75420610 Kurd
7.12273122 Kurds
7.20297855 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.16671905 Iranians
8.21065162 Turk_Southeast
8.67722882 Iran_Central_East
9.46294352 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.40156238 Iran_Mazandaran
10.66300145 Turk_East
11.08238693 Iran_Khorasan
11.67418091 Turk_Central_East
12.61252552 Turk_South
12.88631445 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.69517433 Turk_Central_West
Target: T850233
Distance: 1.5897% / 1.58974045 | ADC: 1x
91.6 Kurd_Sorani
8.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
Target: T850233
Distance: 0.9554% / 0.95535327 | ADC: 0.5x
78.4 Kurd_Sorani
15.8 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.6 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.2 Balkan_Gypsy
Target: T850233
Distance: 0.5810% / 0.58100030 | ADC: 0.25x
74.0 Kurd_Sorani
15.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.2 Balkan_Gypsy
2.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.6 Azerbaijani_Iran
0.2 Pulliyar
Another Yarsan Kurd from Kirkuk.
Population
Gedrosia 24.00 Pct
Siberian 1.12 Pct
Northwest_African 1.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.56 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.72 Pct
North_European 6.77 Pct
South_Asian 3.24 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.27 Pct
East_Asian 1.86 Pct
Caucasus 38.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: TJ8534449
2.22827287 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.43735363 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.70374135 Kurd_Sorani
4.04306814 Zaza
4.43010158 Turkmen_Iraq
4.79248370 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.97048287 Azerbaijani
5.67183392 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.76551819 Lur_Iran
6.45655481 Kurd
6.60205271 Iranian
6.79320985 Kurd_KAZ
6.87993459 Iranian_Fars
7.09669641 Kurds
7.25349571 Turk_Southeast
8.46835875 Iranians
9.36613581 Iran_Central_East
9.93173701 Turk_East
10.15948325 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.43575105 Turk_Central_East
10.62569998 Iran_Khorasan
10.82950137 Iran_Mazandaran
11.32823022 Turk_South
12.23778983 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.33991086 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: TJ8534449
Distance: 1.9820% / 1.98195360 | ADC: 1x
87.0 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: TJ8534449
Distance: 1.4473% / 1.44734922 | ADC: 0.5x
66.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
24.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.2 Iranian_Fars
0.2 Moroccan
Target: TJ8534449
Distance: 0.7278% / 0.72780556 | ADC: 0.25x
96.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
1.8 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
0.8 Chinese
0.4 Mozabite
0.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
0.2 Sardinian
Result from Tabriz (East-Azerbaijan Province)
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Gedrosian: 21.82
Siberian: 2.21
Northwest_African: 1.28
Southeast_Asian: 0.25
Atlantic_Med: 8.84
North_European: 7.25
South_Asian 2.20
East_African 0.12
Southwest_Asian: 13.94
East_Asian: 2.43
Caucasian: 39.65
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Tabriz
2.40466214 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.14022292 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.45411349 Azerbaijani
3.75503662 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.86853978 Zaza
4.00911462 Turkmen_Iraq
4.98208792 Turk_Southeast
4.99170312 Kurd_Sorani
5.67604616 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.69451103 Kurd_KAZ
7.76180391 Lur_Iran
7.78010283 Turk_East
7.93416032 Kurd
8.03296334 Turk_Central_East
8.08559831 Kurds
8.42810180 Iranian
8.67149929 Uzbekistan_Jews
9.17660068 Turk_South
9.33356845 Iranian_Fars
9.97496867 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.37577467 Turk_Anatolia
10.37707088 Turk_Central_West
10.96215763 Iranians
11.58984469 Iran_Central_East
12.07876649 Armenian_East
Target: Tabriz
Distance: 0.6615% / 0.66145899 | ADC: 0.25x
50.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
26.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.4 Turk_Southeast
5.6 Iraq_Jews
4.4 Turkmen_Iraq
Azerbaijani from West Azerbaijan Province, Iran
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n_Iran.svg.png
Gedrosian: 19.82
Siberian: 4.83
Northwest_African: 1.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.05
Atlantic_Med: 11.59
North_European: 6.51
South_Asian 2.34
East_African 0.10
Southwest_Asian: 14.28
East_Asian: 3.02
Caucasian: 35.45
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: WestAzerbaijan
4.44366965 Turk_Southeast
5.82498927 Azerbaijani
6.42118369 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.79125173 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.10688399 Turkmen_Iraq
7.11217266 Turk_South
7.59316140 Turk_Central_East
8.10633086 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.13416253 Turk_Central_West
8.22196449 Turk_Anatolia
8.78777560 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.97095870 Kurd_Sorani
9.50692379 Zaza
10.01903688 Turk_Southwest
10.63442993 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.18137290 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.33938711 Yoruk
11.36978012 Iranian_Fars
11.38224934 Turk_East
11.55832168 Lur_Iran
12.32006088 Turk_Northwest
12.39745538 Kurd
12.66613201 Iranian
12.75143521 Iran_Khorasan
12.84417767 Uzbekistan_Jews
Target: WestAzerbaijan
Distance: 1.5131% / 1.51305083 | ADC: 0.25x
64.0 Turk_Southeast
29.0 Turkmen_Iraq
2.2 Brahui
2.2 Sardinian
1.8 Yakut
0.8 Nganassan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Interesting! It seems Iranian Azeris really have more Turkic & Mongoloid ancestry than Republic Azeris. Also in a study, Mongoloid Y-Dna of Iranian Azeris were 20%, while it's only 6% in Republic Azeris. If we calculate the Turkic Y-Dnas(Caucasoid ydnas like R1a + R1b included), then Turkic Y-Dna in Iranian Azeris is 4x of the Republic ones :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
It depends on the region in Republic. Northwest (Aghstafa/Gazakh) for example has very high Turkic input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
I still would say Turkic input in Rep and Iranian Azerbaijanis is about the same. Also intermarriages with other people is very common in both regions. Due to turkification of other tribes in Republic and in case of Iran due to being a minority in Iran.
Hello Kyp,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
I was able to find information on a migration wave from Sultaniye to Bulgaria(Kardzhali) in either 18 or 19th century. Are there any sources about it on the Azerbaijani side? It seems like migration happened because of an epidemic.
No. Iran is very bad when it comes to documentation. Also Im not able to read Persian. I'm very interested in this information because my family is exactly from around Sultaniye. Or do you mean Aegean Sultaniye :D? Maybe you can PM me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Well, I couldn't find documentation as well. I have a small group with my friends and we research on origins of Balkan Turks, and one of the oldest persons who live in the village of my friend's is aware of such a migration. Moreover, we were able to reach some letters written in that time period and indicates that sent from sister(from Sultaniye) to brother(in Kardzhali), and written with a "weird"(for us) Turkish in the Arabic alphabet but not standard Ottoman Turkish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
After all, we thought if it is an individual migration or a wave, but it seems that there is a group of villages who score similar to each other but differ from the rest. I don't know if it is about something different than this migration though. To prove it I should check matches of these individuals, but couldn't find time yet.
I didn't know you are from there. So I can send suspected kit numbers to you in case you matched. But not this week I suppose, my computer is not with me now.
If we are speaking about Sultaniye/Soltaniyeh from Zanjan Province in Iran, then yes my father's family is exactly from around this area. It is an area mostly populated by tribal Afshars. I'm aware there is also a Sultaniye in Western Turkey. I also know of some cholera pandemics from this timeframe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Yes feel free to send me them when you find time to/have your computer. Thank you!
Turk from Kahranmaras
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Gedrosian: 15.68
Siberian: 7.09
Northwest_African: 1.52
Southeast_Asian: 0.88
Atlantic_Med: 12.55
North_European: 8.99
South_Asian 1.75
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.22
East_Asian: 1.27
Caucasian: 37.91
SSA: 0.13
Distance to: KMarash
4.63975215 Turk_South
4.88911035 Turk_Anatolia
4.90929730 Turk_Central_East
4.95704549 Turk_Central_West
5.55190958 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
5.82711764 Turk_Southeast
6.80670258 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.00324211 Turk_Southwest
7.91619858 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.18788129 Azerbaijani
9.17035441 Turk_Northwest
9.23843601 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.11478126 Yoruk
10.13029615 Turk_East
11.50233455 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.52771877 Turkmen_Iraq
12.03130500 Zaza
13.19390768 Kurd_Sorani
13.77379759 Nusayri_Turkey
13.86959985 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.35187096 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.57714993 Armenian_East
14.62763822 Greek_Cappadocia
15.44103300 Armenian_West
15.47318325 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Target: KMarash
Distance: 1.9999% / 1.99987584 | ADC: 0.25x
50.0 Turk_Central_East
19.0 Turk_Central_West
15.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.6 Greek_Crete
3.4 Nganassan
3.2 Nusayri_Turkey
2.6 MD_Jewish
2.4 Turk_Southeast
0.2 Italy_Sicily
Sometimes it interesting to see the different proportion of east asian admixes among West Asian Turkics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
I think we need to get some results from Khorezm/Xorazm, Uzbekistan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kistan.svg.png
That is the only region of Uzbekistan where an Oghuz dialect is spoken. But it's small, less than 2 million, so I doubt there will ever be many samples from there unless from an academic source.
My father a Feyli Kurd from Baghdad
27.52% Gedrosia
0.12% Siberian
1.19% Northwest_African
0.64% Southeast_Asian
5.52% Atlantic_Med
5.92% North_European
5.56% South_Asian
0.00% East_African
13.38% Southwest_Asian
0.04% East_Asian
39.63% Caucasus
0.48% Sub_Saharan
Distance:
3.23711291 Lur_Iran
3.56261140 Iranian
4.68339620 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.08057083 Kurd
5.11519306 Kurd_Sorani
5.24272830 Iranians
5.30588353 Iranian_Fars
5.32219879 Kurd_KAZ
5.80535959 Kurds
5.81103261 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.87338063 Iran_Mazandaran
6.57021309 Zaza
7.58669889 Iran_Central_East
8.18477245 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.22533282 Turkmen_Iraq
9.94125747 Azerbaijani
10.33261825 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.88045955 Iran_Khorasan
11.72536567 Uzbekistan_Jews
12.64224268 Turk_Southeast
13.36445285 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.45198498 Turk_East
15.36386996 Parsi_India
15.58877481 Assyrian
15.67781235 Turk_Central_East
Distance: 1.8173% / 1.81734553 | ADC: 0.5x
42.6 Lur_Iran
22.6 Iran_Mazandaran
16.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.2 Kurd_Sorani
4.8 Iranian_Fars
1.2 Iran_Central_East
Distance: 1.3057% / 1.30566805 | ADC: 0.25x
31.0 Iran_Mazandaran
26.2 Kurd_Sorani
26.0 Lur_Iran
15.4 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.6 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
0.4 Pulliyar
0.2 Hemshin
0.2 Mawasi
Some interesting stuff. Don't know what this woman may be. A Siberian Tatar? She has a Tatar-sounding last name but the results are very different from Volga Tatars whose results I've seen dozens of times.
Population
Gedrosia 9.07 Pct
Siberian 28.00 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.43 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.57 Pct
North_European 26.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.46 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_Asian 19.46 Pct
Caucasus 7.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: galima
Distance: 1.7182% / 1.71824985 | ADC: 0.25x
82.6 Bashkir
14.2 Tuva
3.0 Karakalpak
0.2 Kazakh
These two may be Bashkirs or something like that (again, not regular Tatars, much more Asian)
Population
Gedrosia 9.69 Pct
Siberian 19.40 Pct
Northwest_African 0.14 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.42 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.50 Pct
North_European 36.20 Pct
South_Asian 0.92 Pct
East_African 0.46 Pct
Southwest_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_Asian 14.42 Pct
Caucasus 9.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Rinat
7.58619799 Bashkir
13.47575972 Tatar_Kazan
14.41220316 Mari
15.43995466 Udmurt
15.78046260 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
18.94264501 Chuvash
21.58231915 Komi
24.08151158 Karakalpak
24.67581407 Uzbek
27.85640680 Veps
Target: Rinat
Distance: 2.0008% / 2.00078959 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Bashkir
17.6 Chuvash
15.6 Tatar_Kazan
5.2 Uygur
1.4 Mordovian
0.6 Lak
0.4 Japanese
Population
Gedrosia 9.79 Pct
Siberian 19.41 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.92 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.80 Pct
North_European 34.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 12.41 Pct
Caucasus 9.40 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.50 Pct
Distance to: Gamal
8.66502741 Bashkir
11.70595575 Tatar_Kazan
14.54388875 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.58906782 Mari
15.12972240 Udmurt
19.82880481 Chuvash
20.83727429 Komi
24.81425195 Uzbek
24.98722273 Karakalpak
27.16623456 Veps
Target: Gamal
Distance: 2.6317% / 2.63174999 | ADC: 0.5x
60.0 Bashkir
40.0 Tatar_Kazan
Target: Gamal
Distance: 2.2622% / 2.26219660 | ADC: 0.25x
58.4 Bashkir
38.0 Tatar_Kazan
1.4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
1.0 French
0.8 Bavarian_German
0.4 CDX30
Uttar Pradesh Brahmin - high euro for a up brahmin compared to the averages. seems closer to northwest indian in terms of euro.
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 38.34
2 Gedrosia 37.11
3 North_European 16.44
4 Caucasus 4.22
5 East_Asian 1.71
6 Siberian 1.3
7 Atlantic_Med 0.72
8 East_African 0.16
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 6.52
2 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 11.49
3 Jatt (Dodecad) 11.63
4 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 14.87
5 Indian (Dodecad) 15.2
6 Iyengar (Dodecad) 16.47
7 Iyer (Dodecad) 16.53
8 Burusho (HGDP) 16.73
9 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 17.37
10 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.61
11 Pathan (HGDP) 17.69
12 GIH30 (Dodecad) 20.17
13 Tharus (Metspalu) 20.67
14 Dharkars (Metspalu) 20.8
15 INS30 (SGVP) 20.95
16 Muslim (Metspalu) 21.05
17 Kanjars (Metspalu) 21.16
18 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 23.98
19 Velamas (Metspalu) 24.79
20 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 26.78
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 14.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.01
2 76% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 24% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.54
3 75% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 25% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.59
4 67.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 32.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.93
5 91.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 8.8% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.09
6 92.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 7.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.31
7 89.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 10.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.38
8 93.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 6.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.45
9 91.9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 8.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4.48
10 92.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 7.6% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.49
11 92.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 7.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.56
12 93.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 6.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 4.59
13 91% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.6
14 93.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 6.2% Russian_B (Behar) @ 4.66
15 93.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 6.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 4.74
16 93.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 6.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.76
17 94.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 5.9% Belorussian (Behar) @ 4.77
18 94.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 5.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 4.78
19 94.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 5.6% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 4.78
20 94.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 5.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.78
@Thambi
that North European is very high compared to west Iranic groups. Do many south asians score above 10%?
not all but usually northwest indians, pakistanis, nepali and north indian brahmin groups get 10% or above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
This is more typical for an average north indian if you exclude the brahmin (upper) castes
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 49.24
2 Gedrosia 32.19
3 North_European 7.73
4 Caucasus 7.28
5 East_Asian 2.19
6 Southwest_Asian 1.02
7 Southeast_Asian 0.26
8 Northwest_African 0.08
9 Atlantic_Med 0.01
average south indian - usually dont score any euro unless they're southern brahmins
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 55.55
2 Gedrosia 35.81
3 Southwest_Asian 2.96
4 Caucasus 2.35
5 East_Asian 2.29
6 Siberian 0.64
7 Southeast_Asian 0.39
What's remarkable is that such Indians as well as Pashtuns barely score any Mediterranean (0-2%). The Med starts to increase in Tajikistan and Western Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
Old and well-known samples:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Kit Number: F910004
Name: UZB150_turkmen (Turkmen-Uzbekistan)
Kit Number: F910005
Name: UZB152_turkmen (Turkmen - Uzbekistan)
Kit Number: F910006
Name: UZB178_turkmen (Turkmen - Uzbekistan)
Kit Number: F910007
Name: UZB180_turkmen (Turkmen - Uzbekistan)
Spoiler!
Med is hidden inside of NE Euro & sometimes Caucasian component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Nepali Brahmins:
1.
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 34.41
2 Gedrosia 32.86
3 North_European 14.06
4 Caucasus 8.42
5 East_Asian 5.32
6 Atlantic_Med 2.46
7 Southeast_Asian 1.59
8 Siberian 0.87
2.
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 33.91
2 Gedrosia 32.38
3 North_European 13.28
4 Caucasus 9.12
5 Atlantic_Med 3.67
6 Siberian 3.2
7 Southeast_Asian 2.98
8 East_Asian 1.46
9 Southwest_Asian 0.01
3.
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 35.17
2 Gedrosia 33.7
3 North_European 13.59
4 Caucasus 5.56
5 East_Asian 3.87
6 Atlantic_Med 3.06
7 Southeast_Asian 1.86
8 Siberian 1.8
9 Southwest_Asian 1.17
10 Northwest_African 0.22
4.
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 33.02
2 Gedrosia 32.51
3 North_European 13.56
4 Caucasus 7.83
5 East_Asian 6
6 Atlantic_Med 4.67
7 Southwest_Asian 1.3
8 Siberian 0.8
9 Sub_Saharan 0.31
5.
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 35.8
2 Gedrosia 30.62
3 North_European 16.63
4 Caucasus 6.89
5 East_Asian 6.09
6 Atlantic_Med 1.29
7 Southwest_Asian 1.18
8 Siberian 0.78
9 Southeast_Asian 0.73
Turkmen from Northern Turkmenistan (originally posted a couple of years ago by Kaspias)
Code:Y-DNA: Q-L53
mt-DNA: U2c1
Gedrosia 14.13
Siberian 18.60
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.17
North_European 15.33
South_Asian 2.82
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.37
East_Asian 22.83
Caucasus 18.74
Sub_Saharan -
Target: TM
Distance: 2.7315% / 2.73149393 | ADC: 0.25x
45.6 Karakalpak
21.0 Nogais
19.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
11.6 Hazara
2.6 Mongol
No, it isn't. They just don't seem to have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NPKTO
Tatar from Dobruja, Romania (shared by Ion Basescul)
Population
Gedrosia 10.71 Pct
Siberian 10.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.31 Pct
North_European 25.30 Pct
South_Asian 1.49 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.38 Pct
East_Asian 14.58 Pct
Caucasus 17.35 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Dobruja_Tatar
4.04990123 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
16.13710941 Uzbek
18.08747080 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
19.00016579 Turk_Romania
19.28329069 Turk_Bulgaria
19.29886266 Bashkir
20.22316494 Tatar_Kazan
20.99331084 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
21.85439544 Turk_Greece
22.64716318 Turk_Northwest
Target: Dobruja_Tatar
Distance: 2.5757% / 2.57565494 | ADC: 0.5x
89.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
9.6 Turk_Romania
0.6 Italy_Aosta_Valley
Target: Dobruja_Tatar
Distance: 1.5977% / 1.59768678 | ADC: 0.25x
77.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.6 Turk_Romania
5.8 Uzbek
2.6 French
0.6 JPT30
0.2 Japanese
Arab from Dubai, UAE
Kit T404221
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 45.43
2 Caucasus 28.15
3 Gedrosia 9.41
4 East_African 4.93
5 Atlantic_Med 4.06
6 Northwest_African 3.93
7 South_Asian 3.74
8 North_European 0.34
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bedouin (HGDP) 7.81
2 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 13.2
3 Yemenese (Behar) 14.96
4 Palestinian (HGDP) 18.56
5 Jordanians (Behar) 20.27
6 Egyptans (Behar) 20.85
7 Syrians (Behar) 20.93
8 Saudis (Behar) 23.34
9 Samaritians (Behar) 24.42
10 Lebanese (Behar) 25.52
11 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 28.26
12 Druze (HGDP) 29.89
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 30.77
14 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 32.33
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 34.66
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 35.07
17 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 35.71
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 36.07
19 Cypriots (Behar) 36.67
20 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 36.8
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.4% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 16.6% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 2.52
2 83.4% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 16.6% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.04
3 82.6% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 17.4% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.12
4 83.4% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 16.6% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.31
5 84.4% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 15.6% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.34
6 82.1% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 17.9% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.43
7 82.8% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 17.2% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.65
8 85.2% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 14.8% Indian (Dodecad) @ 5.04
9 85.1% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 14.9% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 5.06
10 84.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 15.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 5.07
11 85.4% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 14.6% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 5.08
12 85.2% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 14.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 5.1
13 85.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 14.3% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 5.32
14 83.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 16.3% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 5.41
15 86.1% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 13.9% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 5.5
16 53.8% Jordanians (Behar) + 46.2% Saudis (Behar) @ 5.62
17 86.2% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 13.8% INS30 (SGVP) @ 5.8
18 81.2% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 18.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.89
19 81% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 19% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 5.92
20 86.6% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 13.4% Velamas (Metspalu) @ 5.93
That SW Asian percentage! :eek:
Population
North_Atlantic -
Baltic -
West_Med 2.31 Pct
West_Asian 12.32 Pct
East_Med 38.71 Pct
Red_Sea 35.80 Pct
South_Asian 5.24 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.37 Pct
Oceanian 0.24 Pct
Northeast_African 5.03 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Population
North_Sea 0.47 Pct
Atlantic -
Baltic 0.90 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 1.85 Pct
West_Asian 9.21 Pct
East_Med 41.31 Pct
Red_Sea 35.28 Pct
South_Asian 5.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.20 Pct
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Northeast_African 5.33 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
If you run sample on nmonte, you’ll see what I exactly mean. If you split up NE Euro, it’ll be mix of EHG, EEF, and WHG. Although majority will be EHG. Excess Med goes into Atlantic Med at least in this calculator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto