What is the proto-germanic haplogroup ? I1 or R-U106 ?

[Lawalye]

I have never said that all R-U106 are proto-germanic, I just said that the proto-germanic were a group of R-U106 carrier who settled in Scandinavia and were the trigger of the birth of the germanic culture, then the first germanic people was an hybrid between I1, R-U106 and R1A and were scandinavians.

The other U106 carriers who were more lately germanized, spoke celtic languages before.

[Äijä]

I have never said that all R-U106 are proto-germanic, I just said that the proto-germanic were a group of R-U106 carrier who settled in Scandinavia and were the trigger of the birth of the germanic culture, then the first germanic people was an hybrid between I1, R-U106 and R1A and were scandinavians.

The other U106 carriers who were more lately germanized, spoke celtic languages before.

Where do you place the proto-Germanic homeland?

[Lawalye]

Where do you place the proto-Germanic homeland?

The U106 is probably related to the halstat and la tène culture but it's older, there are also many branches.

I would say south Scandinavia because it's where the germanic culture was born.

[Äijä]

The U106 is probably related to the halstat and la tène culture but it's older, there are also many branches.

I would say south Scandinavia because it's where the germanic culture was born.

Scandinavia is a big place, language starts in a specific region.

I guess it was in Svealand, most choose Denmark-Scania.

When Æsir–Vanir War was being fought one reason to conclude peace was because Jutes where threatening both sides, Jutes come from Denmark.

[Lawalye]

They can both be germanic considering R-U106 is found in north portugal probably due to the Suebic tribe but I1 is proto-germanic. R-U106 can even be considered some kind of proto-celtic or proto-belgae and associated with ancient doggerlanders like my previous post.

In fact, you're right, I don't know what I answered so badly.

I've maybe not read your posts :icon_cheesygrin:

[Lawalye]

Scandinavia is a big place, language starts in a specific region.

I guess it was in Svealand, most choose Denmark-Scania.

When Æsir–Vanir War was being fought one reason to conclude peace was because Jutes where threatening both sides, Jutes come from Denmark.

It is very likely to be.

[Äijä]

It is very likely to be.

Naturally I am speculating, it is not scientific but I firmly believe the mythology is based on real events.

But the linguistic evidence places the homeland next to proto-Finnic so combined with genetics it is a theory worth considering.

[Lawalye]

Other subject :

Is the anglo-saxons-jutes influence dominant in UK ?

[Äijä]

Other subject :

Is the anglo-saxons-jutes influence dominant in UK ?

It was before the Normans came with their French ways.

I do think England is dominantly Germanic culturally and genetically but with a very strong Romano-British substrate.

Rest of Britain is not included in this, Scotland and Wales have different history.

[Lawalye]

It was before the Normans came with their French ways.

I do think England is dominantly Germanic culturally and genetically but with a very strong Romano-British substrate.

Rest of Britain is not included in this, Scotland and Wales have different history.

The battle of Hastings was only a succession war, the normans have a negligeable influence on the modern englishman.

Further informations on the subclades could lead to a better knowledge of the impact of the germanic invasion in Britain, it seems that the celtic influence could be higher than expected but different than the irish, welsh and Scott, for me