Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

[Ylla]

Obviously they were man I never said they weren't all I said is that Tosks diverged from Ghegs

Whats your haplogroup J-ZS241 can you explain?

[Dema]

[Laberia]

Obviously they were man I never said they weren't all I said is that Tosks diverged from Ghegs

No, the point is that this story of toponymus is overrated. Here in the forum, i doubt that someone have the slightest knowledge about the slavic toponymus in South Albania. The only thing people know is posting a map of an biased slav scholar.

[Kelmendasi]

The characteristics of Tosk and Gheg in the treatment of the native and loanwords from other languages are evidence that the dialectal split preceded the Slavic migration to the Balkans..
When happened this split? This is hard to say. It`s not impossible that this split existed even when the migration of IE people happened.

Hard to say when this split occurred tbh

[Kelmendasi]

Whats your haplogroup J-ZS241 can you explain?

It's the European branch of J1 that came into Europe either by Neolithic farmers, Indo-Europeans/Steppe peoples or Paleolithic/Mesolithic populations

[Herr Abubu]

I was referring to the study

The highest levels of IBD sharing are found in the Albanian-speaking individuals (from Albania and Kosovo), an increase in common ancestry deriving from the last 1,500 years. This suggests that a reasonable proportion of the ancestors of modern-day Albanian speakers are drawn from a relatively small, cohesive population that has persisted for at least the last 1,500 years.

It is also interesting to note that the sampled Italians share nearly as much IBD with Albanian speakers as with each other.

I am not talking about pure or not, but you can’t ignore the highest levels of IBD sharing in Europe and the fact that that we affected all our neighbours. We are the first in the list of every neighboring country.
And in our list Poland is in the 13 place.

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology...o.1001555.s003
You admitted South Slavs were greatly influenced by Albanians genetically,

So are albanians so far, according to the study also descendents of illirians dardans epirots??
I hope this time my english improved a little bit.

Man, I have always been saying this, so what's your point? Yes, we did indeed greatly effect other people genetically, so much that we are a sort of glue that pieces several populations together. The point in this thread, however, is that Tosks are strongly Slavic-admixed, while Ghegs aren't. It's obvious going from Y-DNA, which even understates the amount of Slavic genetic influence in the south because South Slavs aren't exclusively I2a and R1a, these two are just markers that are obviously not native, just like H, which is without doubt Gypsy.

And no, it doesn't say Albanians are descendants of any population, what it says that Albanians are descended from an originally small, cohesive population.

[Kelmendasi]

Man, I have always been saying this, so what's your point? Yes, we did indeed greatly effect other people genetically, so much that we are a sort of glue that pieces several populations together. The point in this thread, however, is that Tosks are strongly Slavic-admixed, while Ghegs aren't. It's obvious going from Y-DNA, which even understates the amount of Slavic genetic influence in the south because South Slavs aren't exclusively I2a and R1a, these two are just markers that are obviously not native, just like H, which is without doubt Gypsy.

And no, it doesn't say Albanians are descendants of any population, what it says that Albanians are descended from an originally small, cohesive population.

We did mix with South Slavs especially Montenegrin's as we did exchange brides with them although obviously this mixing is minor

[Wrong]

Mainly the North-eastern Clans seem to be scoring the most J2b2

Northwestern too, it seems. Hoti and Gruda(partly).

[Kelmendasi]

Northwestern too, it seems. Hoti and Gruda(partly).

Yh also Kastrati and Shkreli also a part of kelmendi seems to be J2b2 as well, although J2b2 seems to be mainly concentrated in the North-eastern Clans like Krasniqi and the brotherhoods of Mirdita which are located in North-eastern Albania

[Laberia]

Look dude...
What methodology are you talking about? We have to go with the two scientific studies we have regarding Tosks, which is 104 from Sarno et al 2015 plus 121 from Ferri et al. 2010 for a total of 225 Tosks. They pretty much tell the same story regarding Y-DNA distribution.

Or else, If you don't believe these numbers why don't you test yourself or recruit other Tosks to test so we don't have to rely on these studies and help our project at the same time?

Perderisa testi gjenetik eshte personal, duhet pak me teper informacion. Me metodologji une kuptoj disa gjera.
A eshte i mjaftueshem numri 225 per te percaktuar gjenetiken e gjithe Shqiperise se Jugut?
Keta studiues qe jane marre me testimin e ketyre njerezve, a kane ndonje njohur rreth Shqiperise e para e punes? Sepse c`do vend ka disa karakteristika qe une mendoj se duhen marre ne konsiderate.
Kush jane keta njerez qe jane testuar? Dime gje? A e perfaqeson kampioni i perzgjedhur ne menyre te sakte popullsine e jugut te Shqiperise? Sepse dikush mund te shkoje ne Cole te Vlores ku jetojne jevgjit te marri nja 20 kampione atje, 10 te tjera mund ti marri ne gjithe qytetin e Vlores dhe te nxjerri nje rezultat final per gjithe qytetin e Vlores.
Keta njerez qe jane testuar, ka raste kur ndermhet ketyre personave kane lidhje gjaku.
Ju qe jeni nje ekspet ne kete fushe mund te shtoni edhe nje shume pyetje te tjera. Mbase ndonje pyetje e imja nuk eshte e sakte, por me keto dhe te tjera une kuptoj, metodologji.
Kjo u puna e testimit tim u be legjende. Ketu nuk po flasim per mua si person, por per nje pjese te konsiderueshme te popullsise shqiptare.
And since we are talking about science, because genetic is a science, i want your personal opinion and the opinion of all the others here about this scientist of XIX century:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Kiepert
Please don`t forget to give an opinion about this scientist.


EDIT.
I can recruit other Tosk, but nobody will take seriously this my initiative.