Dodecad Ancestry Project

[Ibericus]

Perhaps, but we only have the small French Basque sample, which might be so inbred that it's useless in this context.

It certainly looks as if Lithuanians and Northern (and North/Central) Poles are the purest Europeans. Based on what I've seen anyway.

In this study there were spanish basques (I don't know if the samples are available) and they also clustered with french basques :

http://web.bioinformatics.cicbiogune...010-HumGen.pdf

[Polako]

^ French Basques appear like a subset of Spanish Basques on that PCA. So it seems as if Spanish Basques do have more genetic diversity (ie. they might be less of an isolate). In which case, their admixture results might look different, and closer to the Spanish average.

[Transhumanist]

I recognize this is a European focused forum, but since it is very relevant to the question of our nomenclature (the subject of my previous post), I thought some may find of interest the results I received today of my father's Dr. McDonald analysis. The "South Asian" may in part be due to our proselytizing and ancient relationship with the St. Thomas Christians of Kerala*, beginning in the 4th century of the CE. The "European" segment may also be associated in some way with early Christianity. But, there exists the very real possibility it is even more ancient. The majority Subarian** component (Ninevite? + Hurrian?) comes as no surprise.

*Mar Thoma: The Apostolic Foundation of the Assyrian Church and the Christians of St. Thomas in India

The Dr. McDonald results of the Iraqi Mandaean appear to cast doubt on the speculated Kerala Christian origin (at least principally) of my father's predicted South Asian segments. The Mandaean, interestingly, has even greater (albeit slightly) predicted possible European ADMIX. What I find most interesting, though, is the location of his red dot. It is, as with the brown dot, within close proximity to my father's spots. Is it a possible signal of back-migration from the general area of the two red spots, in ancient times? Although it may not have any specific thing to do with the position of the red dots, I could not help but think of the recent aDNA paper on Late Neolithic farmers in southern France.

The first attachment is a map containing the combined dots for my father and the Iraqi Mandaean. The second attachment is a map of modern Iraq (among other nations), with points "A" and "B" representing the approximate center points of the McDonald green dots for my father and the Iraqi Mandaean respectively. The third attachment is the entire approximate green dot of the Mandaean, including Assyrian city names and one Hurrian city name (Nuzi), most of which (if they still exist) have since been changed by the Arabs and Kurds. If you have read my posts on ABF, you likely know of my speculation regarding the origins of the Iraqi Mandaeans. I have stated, it is possible, Iraqi Mandaeans are the best preserved remnants of the Assyro-Babylonian religious caste. My father's center spot is a bit (~45 miles) northeast of the Assyrian capital of Nineveh (modern Mosul). The Iraqi Mandaean's spot, despite living for possibly the better part of the last 2000 years in extreme southern Iraq, is situated nearly due east, by roughly 110 miles, of the ancient center of the Assyrian religion, and also former capital, Assur/Ashur.

[Transhumanist]

Not surprised he ditched v2. Figured something was up given the lack of updates over the course of the last week or two:

The design of Dodecad v3

Dodecad v2 was short-lived, as I discovered a way to improve it shortly after I announced it.

I attached something I posted over at ABF, in case anyone here has an interest in viewing. It is an image of the Dodecad v3 K=12 population averages for the Near East and a few other populations in the general area.

[Transhumanist]

PCA based on most of the v3 population averages thus far reported:

[Ibericus]

PCA based on most of the v3 population averages thus far reported:

Interesting. Spaniards seem closer to Germanics than to Greeks/South Italians.

[alzo zero]

Interesting. Spaniards seem closer to Germanics than to Greeks/South Italians.

We knew all along that you guys were aryan ubermenschen we just need to look at you, you're beating a dead horse.

[Transhumanist]

Interesting. Spaniards seem closer to Germanics than to Greeks/South Italians.

Distances between populations on the PCA do not necessarily represent true genetic distances. I am not saying you are incorrect. Simply, that we cannot reach that conclusion based solely on the results of a PCA of ADMIXTURE component percentages.

[alzo zero]

Distances between populations on the PCA do not necessarily represent true genetic distances. I am not saying you are incorrect. Simply, that we cannot reach that conclusion based solely on the results of a PCA of ADMIXTURE component percentages.

Is there a Northern Italian sample as well? Do you know where are the "C_Italian_D" from by any chance?

[Sikeliot]

Interesting. Spaniards seem closer to Germanics than to Greeks/South Italians.

And big surprise.. the Spanish are closest to the French (and if northern Italians were on there, you'd see the usual clustering situation).