Iron Age and Early Medieval Polish DNA coming soon

[Peterski]

Niem_34 (Early Medieval Poland) and RISE568 (Early Medieval Czechia):

http://i.imgur.com/r4mVqTN.png

Te czy jakieś inne? https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markow...wielkopolskie)

Chyba te.

[Karol Klačansky]

Niem_34 (Early Medieval Poland) and RISE568 (Early Medieval Czechia):

Can you share their actual k36 results?

[Peterski]

Can you share their actual k36 results?

Weird, because they are actually quite different:

RISE568:

East_Central_Euro 32.41
Eastern_Euro 24.62
Central_Euro 24.42
North_Sea 16.41
Iberian 2.11

Niem_34:

Fennoscandian 32.13
Central_Euro 15.23
East_Central_Euro 14.77
North_Sea 10.54
North_Atlantic 7.64
Basque 6.71
Eastern_Euro 6.25
West_Med 5.8
South_Central_Asian 0.9
Iberian 0.01
Oceanian 0.01

[Karol Klačansky]

Weird, because they are actually quite different:

RISE568:

East_Central_Euro 32.41
Eastern_Euro 24.62
Central_Euro 24.42
North_Sea 16.41
Iberian 2.11

Niem_34:

Fennoscandian32.13
Central_Euro15.23
East_Central_Euro14.77
North_Sea10.54
North_Atlantic7.64
Basque6.71
Eastern_Euro6.25
West_Med5.8
South_Central_Asian0.9
Iberian0.01
Oceanian0.01

Niemcza has such high fennoscandian?
Shouldn't his results look more Slavic like the Rise 568. So basically niemcza is more Baltic while Rise568 was more Slavic?

[Peterski]

Niemcza has such high fennoscandian?
Shouldn't his results look more Slavic like the Rise 568. So basically niemcza is more Baltic while Rise568 was more Slavic?

Yes it seems so. Baltic or Baltic Finnic? Ward's Dendrogram for Niem_34 (made by Mlukas):



Niemcza people also had raher unusual skulls when compared to other Early Medieval Poles:

https://www.academia.edu/31578238/Bi...raits_analysis

[Peterski]

"Niemcza" indicates that it was originally inhabited by Non-Slavs.

Because its name basically means "people who can't speak Slavic":

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemcza#Toponimia

Nazwa, nadana przez Słowian, przybyłych na Śląsk w VI wieku n.e.[2], wywodzi się prawdopodobnie od prasłowiańskiego słowa '*nemьcь' (niemy)[3], Nazywano tak ludzi niewładających językiem Słowian, obcych. Już od końca IX w. wyraz ten z pewnością odnosił się do germańskich sąsiadów plemion zachodniosłowiańskich. Najstarsze zapisy nazwy: 990, 1125, 1177 Nemci, 1018, 1155 Nemechi (...)

[Karol Klačansky]

Yes it seems so. Baltic or Baltic Finnic?

Maybe your Mt-dna is from those people?

Seems east/central eruope was pretty genetically diverse. I wanna see some pure slav samples.

[Rethel]

"Niemcza" indicates that it was originally inhabited by Non-Slavs.

Because its name basically means "people who can't speak Slavic":

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemcza#Toponimia

These were probably ones of firsts Poldeutsches! (if not counted Popielova or Lestkowa... )

Ponieważ nazwa została zanotowana w zaginionym Roczniku Praskim jako nazwa istniejącego już i znanego grodu pod datą 990, jej powstanie należy łączyć z okresem władztwa wielkomorawskiego i czeskiego a więc z okresem od schyłku IX w. do r. 989. Według wzmianki z kroniki Thietmara z Merseburga nazwa grodu pochodzi od Niemców, którzy mieli gród założyć czy zbudować. Można to interpretować tak, że wzięci do niewoli przez Czechów czy Morawian Niemcy - rzemieślnicy, cieśle i in. wykonywali prace przy budowie groduj[4].Takie podania znane były dawniej w samej Niemczy

[Graham]

Weird, because they are actually quite different:

RISE568:

East_Central_Euro 32.41
Eastern_Euro 24.62
Central_Euro 24.42
North_Sea 16.41
Iberian 2.11

Niem_34:

Fennoscandian 32.13
Central_Euro 15.23
East_Central_Euro 14.77
North_Sea 10.54
North_Atlantic 7.64
Basque 6.71
Eastern_Euro 6.25
West_Med 5.8
South_Central_Asian 0.9
Iberian 0.01
Oceanian 0.01

That is massive central euro compared to everything i have saw over years. Both actually, just one much more extreme.

[Peterski]

K36 results of another Wielbark sample, Mas_5 from Masłomęcz:

North_Sea 42.74
Central_Euro 24.69
Eastern_Euro 14.69
French 13.58
East_Balkan 2.19
Italian 1.31
Volga-Ural 0.80

Highest North_Sea ever seen (and remember this is K36, not K15).

Maybe your Mt-dna is from those people?

According to Maciamo, W6a is typically Slavic, Baltic and Indo-Iranian.

As for ancient DNA samples, here is where W6a has been found so far:

~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya, Lopatino II
~3260-2630 BC, Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis
~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt