Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Ion Basescul]

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Can you share the spreadsheet? Seems like you merged/modified some from Lukasz's updated sheet.

[Dušan]

Can you share the spreadsheet? Seems like you merged/modified some from Lukasz's updated sheet.

It is original http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
I replaced old Serbian with new Serbian, and added these new Moldavian averages you posted.

[Ion Basescul]

It is original http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
I replaced old Serbian with new Serbian, and added these new Moldavian averages you posted.

Thanks

My folk

Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
4.01461240	Serbian_new
4.41248229	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.89598815	Moldova_North
4.94718102	Romania_Moldavia_average
5.16774612	Moldova_Centre
5.43127057	Moldova_average
5.83460367	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.87489048	Romanian
8.50426952	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
8.75925796	Croatian
9.18701801	Hungarian
9.54794219	Moldova_South
10.48739720	Bulgarian
13.57386091	Austrian
14.96605492	East_German
15.66258919	Ukrainian_Lviv
16.49787259	South_Polish
17.12165880	Ukrainian
20.16939513	West_German
20.24129195	Greek_Thessaly
20.38253910	Tatar
20.69568554	Polish
20.71534697	Southwest_Russian
20.99025726	Ukrainian_Belgorod
21.88208400	South_Dutch

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Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_mom_MyHeritage
6.40353808	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
8.11056102	Moldova_North
8.90335330	Moldova_Centre
9.17777206	Croatian
9.75350552	Serbian_new
10.48813139	Romania_Moldavia_North
10.81626553	Moldova_average
11.42930882	Romania_Moldavia_average
12.45181513	Romania_Moldavia_South
13.11278003	Ukrainian_Lviv
13.97302043	Ukrainian
14.86197833	Romanian
14.94706326	Moldova_South
15.06039176	Hungarian
15.21391797	South_Polish
15.54292122	Bulgarian
16.06538204	Southwest_Russian
16.18200853	Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.12671233	Polish
18.90034920	Russian_Smolensk
19.39971392	Estonian_Polish
20.20784006	Austrian
20.29402621	East_German
20.46192562	Belorussian
20.53980039	Kargopol_Russian

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Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_dad_MyHeritage
4.11966018	Moldova_North
5.97620866	Serbian_new
6.14468063	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
6.24292399	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.26313819	Moldova_Centre
7.00865893	Croatian
7.43493779	Romania_Moldavia_average
7.48569302	Moldova_average
8.69411870	Romania_Moldavia_South
9.85963488	Hungarian
10.55194769	Romanian
11.92159805	Moldova_South
12.60352332	Bulgarian
13.36573230	Ukrainian_Lviv
14.51251529	South_Polish
14.77720880	Ukrainian
14.80950371	Austrian
15.54933118	East_German
17.93240363	Southwest_Russian
17.95142334	Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.47455277	Polish
19.65805179	Tatar
20.38213924	Russian_Smolensk
21.16155240	Estonian_Polish
21.91872259	Belorussian

[Ion Basescul]

It is original http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
I replaced old Serbian with new Serbian, and added these new Moldavian averages you posted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

Updated K13
Northern profile
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75, 0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.347142857 1,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62,1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0 .18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.50,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36 ,0.01,0.05

Central profile
?

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper




From original K13
Serbian,27.10,27.32,15.84,9.37,15.63,2.50,0.33,0.57,0.75,0.03,0.38 ,0.11,0.06

Serbs from G25
Only 1 out of 5 is similar to Serbian_new. The rest are more like Bosniak_Sandzak and Serb_North-Macedonia.

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02027796	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02129408	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.02130027	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02278499	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02295821	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02417508	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02770653	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02793259	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02879941	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02934333	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03125145	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03130827	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03141187	Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
0.03146108	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03158046	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03299268	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03344439	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03394955	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03416178	Hungarian:NA15201
0.03470400	Hungarian:NA15203
0.03489287	Austrian:Austria1
0.03524893	Slovenian:Slovenian147
0.03576013	French_Alsace:A_27
0.03581322	Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03667700	Moldovan:MOL-069

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
0.02280044	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02492262	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02512585	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02872304	Romanian:A343
0.02903273	Romanian:G408
0.02954824	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02987515	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03039855	Romanian:G429
0.03043868	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.03086683	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03168199	Romanian:G428
0.03187415	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03204965	Romanian:A325
0.03207296	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03218647	Gagauz:GAG-183
0.03249403	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03249718	Romanian:A362
0.03312526	Romanian:G421
0.03320853	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03333950	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03344843	Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
0.03349106	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03357405	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.03357831	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03360420	Moldovan:MOL-067

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3
0.02181894	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02432129	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02668572	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02709882	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02753658	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.02878177	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02897194	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02977428	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.03077489	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03089537	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.03099839	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03100598	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03277593	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03353688	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03404807	Romanian:A362
0.03437355	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03505046	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.03514040	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03529248	Romanian:G408
0.03578042	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03642134	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.03666431	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03675626	Romanian:G429
0.03679978	Romanian:G421
0.03801899	Romanian:A325

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
0.02204153	Romanian:G408
0.02421763	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02514220	Romanian:G428
0.02559354	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02609241	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02614389	Romanian:A362
0.02641319	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.02675189	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02704025	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02723006	Romanian:A343
0.02822860	Moldovan:MOL-058
0.02840923	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02864719	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02898407	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.02923408	Romanian:A374
0.02925050	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02930394	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.02943373	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02962336	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03006994	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03019717	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03043743	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.03052509	Romanian:G434
0.03067318	Romanian:G429
0.03071714	Italian_Northeast:ALP435

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
0.02267243	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02305049	Macedonian:Macedonian7
0.02329683	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02417495	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02935727	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03007896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03130999	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03139709	Romanian:G428
0.03205184	Romanian:A343
0.03311662	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.03350164	Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03352143	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03367780	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03394732	Romanian:G408
0.03451894	Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.03497659	Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03502780	Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03513794	Moldovan:MOL-064
0.03561471	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03577842	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03584877	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03598428	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03646399	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03655745	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03672671	Moldovan:MOL-069

From my point of view, you guys are missing the gradient in Serbs and your new average is basically just Serbia_North.

[CommonSense]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

Updated K13
Northern profile
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75, 0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.347142857 1,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62,1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0 .18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.50,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36 ,0.01,0.05

Central profile
?

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper




From original K13
Serbian,27.10,27.32,15.84,9.37,15.63,2.50,0.33,0.57,0.75,0.03,0.38 ,0.11,0.06

Serbs from G25
Only 1 out of 5 is similar to Serbian_new. The rest are more like Bosniak_Sandzak and Serb_North-Macedonia.

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02027796	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02129408	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.02130027	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02278499	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02295821	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02417508	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02770653	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02793259	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02879941	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02934333	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03125145	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03130827	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03141187	Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
0.03146108	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03158046	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03299268	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03344439	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03394955	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03416178	Hungarian:NA15201
0.03470400	Hungarian:NA15203
0.03489287	Austrian:Austria1
0.03524893	Slovenian:Slovenian147
0.03576013	French_Alsace:A_27
0.03581322	Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03667700	Moldovan:MOL-069

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
0.02280044	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02492262	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02512585	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02872304	Romanian:A343
0.02903273	Romanian:G408
0.02954824	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02987515	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03039855	Romanian:G429
0.03043868	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.03086683	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03168199	Romanian:G428
0.03187415	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03204965	Romanian:A325
0.03207296	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03218647	Gagauz:GAG-183
0.03249403	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03249718	Romanian:A362
0.03312526	Romanian:G421
0.03320853	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03333950	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03344843	Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
0.03349106	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03357405	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.03357831	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03360420	Moldovan:MOL-067

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3
0.02181894	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02432129	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02668572	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02709882	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02753658	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.02878177	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02897194	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02977428	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.03077489	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03089537	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.03099839	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03100598	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03277593	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03353688	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03404807	Romanian:A362
0.03437355	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03505046	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.03514040	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03529248	Romanian:G408
0.03578042	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03642134	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.03666431	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03675626	Romanian:G429
0.03679978	Romanian:G421
0.03801899	Romanian:A325

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
0.02204153	Romanian:G408
0.02421763	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02514220	Romanian:G428
0.02559354	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02609241	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02614389	Romanian:A362
0.02641319	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.02675189	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02704025	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02723006	Romanian:A343
0.02822860	Moldovan:MOL-058
0.02840923	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02864719	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02898407	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.02923408	Romanian:A374
0.02925050	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02930394	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.02943373	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02962336	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03006994	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03019717	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03043743	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.03052509	Romanian:G434
0.03067318	Romanian:G429
0.03071714	Italian_Northeast:ALP435

---

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
0.02267243	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02305049	Macedonian:Macedonian7
0.02329683	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02417495	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02935727	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03007896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03130999	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03139709	Romanian:G428
0.03205184	Romanian:A343
0.03311662	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.03350164	Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03352143	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03367780	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03394732	Romanian:G408
0.03451894	Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.03497659	Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03502780	Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03513794	Moldovan:MOL-064
0.03561471	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03577842	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03584877	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03598428	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03646399	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03655745	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03672671	Moldovan:MOL-069

From my point of view, you guys are missing the gradient in Serbs and your new average is basically just Serbia_North.

The original Eurogenes K13 average is similar to the 'new' Serbian average, the only difference is the different Baltic to North Atlantic ratio. On the other hand Davidski only included the samples from the academic study which he deemed had a suitable amount of SNPs, had he included all of them the G25 average would be different.

[Dušan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

Updated K13
Northern profile
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75, 0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.347142857 1,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62,1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0 .18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.50,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36 ,0.01,0.05

Central profile
?

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper




From original K13
Serbian,27.10,27.32,15.84,9.37,15.63,2.50,0.33,0.57,0.75,0.03,0.38 ,0.11,0.06

Serbs from G25
Only 1 out of 5 is similar to Serbian_new. The rest are more like Bosniak_Sandzak and Serb_North-Macedonia.

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02027796	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02129408	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.02130027	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02278499	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02295821	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02417508	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02770653	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02793259	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02879941	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02934333	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03125145	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03130827	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03141187	Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
0.03146108	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03158046	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03299268	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03344439	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03394955	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03416178	Hungarian:NA15201
0.03470400	Hungarian:NA15203
0.03489287	Austrian:Austria1
0.03524893	Slovenian:Slovenian147
0.03576013	French_Alsace:A_27
0.03581322	Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03667700	Moldovan:MOL-069

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
0.02280044	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02492262	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02512585	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02872304	Romanian:A343
0.02903273	Romanian:G408
0.02954824	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02987515	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03039855	Romanian:G429
0.03043868	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.03086683	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03168199	Romanian:G428
0.03187415	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03204965	Romanian:A325
0.03207296	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03218647	Gagauz:GAG-183
0.03249403	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03249718	Romanian:A362
0.03312526	Romanian:G421
0.03320853	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03333950	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03344843	Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
0.03349106	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03357405	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.03357831	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03360420	Moldovan:MOL-067

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3
0.02181894	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02432129	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02668572	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02709882	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02753658	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.02878177	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02897194	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02977428	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.03077489	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03089537	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.03099839	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03100598	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03277593	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03353688	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03404807	Romanian:A362
0.03437355	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03505046	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.03514040	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03529248	Romanian:G408
0.03578042	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03642134	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.03666431	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03675626	Romanian:G429
0.03679978	Romanian:G421
0.03801899	Romanian:A325

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
0.02204153	Romanian:G408
0.02421763	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02514220	Romanian:G428
0.02559354	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02609241	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02614389	Romanian:A362
0.02641319	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.02675189	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02704025	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02723006	Romanian:A343
0.02822860	Moldovan:MOL-058
0.02840923	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02864719	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02898407	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.02923408	Romanian:A374
0.02925050	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02930394	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.02943373	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02962336	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03006994	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03019717	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03043743	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.03052509	Romanian:G434
0.03067318	Romanian:G429
0.03071714	Italian_Northeast:ALP435

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
0.02267243	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02305049	Macedonian:Macedonian7
0.02329683	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02417495	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02935727	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03007896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03130999	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03139709	Romanian:G428
0.03205184	Romanian:A343
0.03311662	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.03350164	Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03352143	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03367780	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03394732	Romanian:G408
0.03451894	Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.03497659	Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03502780	Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03513794	Moldovan:MOL-064
0.03561471	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03577842	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03584877	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03598428	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03646399	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03655745	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03672671	Moldovan:MOL-069

From my point of view, you guys are missing the gradient in Serbs and your new average is basically just Serbia_North.

New Serbian average is good for Serbs from central Serbia, too.
We are pretty homogenous in term of autosomal genetics. No matter if person is from Serbia, Bosnia or Croatia, that person will fit well in new average.

This is my Gedmatch matches, all Serbs from Croatia. Some of them are southern and eastern from old Serbian average.


So, regional differences are low.

[Dušan]

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper



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I just want to add - I dont know what is source for that result for Serbs in North Macedonia. Also, there are only 36.000 ethnic Serbs in North Macedonia, it is very tiny community, of cca 0.5% of all Serbs in Balkans.

And for Bosniak Sandzak, they are not Serbs. Their ethnogenesis is mix of ethnic Albanians and islamicized ethnic Serbs. They are different ethnic group and are not relevant for Serbian average.

[Ion Basescul]

I just want to add - I dont know what is source for that result for Serbs in North Macedonia. Also, there are only 36.000 ethnic Serbs in North Macedonia, it is very tiny community, of cca 0.5% of all Serbs in Balkans.

And for Bosniak Sandzak, they are not Serbs. Their ethnogenesis is mix of ethnic Albanians and islamicized ethnic Serbs. They are different ethnic group and are not relevant for Serbian average.

Considering that I saw full Croats from Serbia scoring like 27% Balt and 22% Atlantic, and Croats are way more North-shifted than Serbs on average, I think that you guys should seriously work on a fair profile for Serbia.
That is if you actually want it to be fair.

[Dušan]

Considering that I saw full Croats from Serbia scoring like 27% Balt and 22% Atlantic, and Croats are way more North-shifted than Serbs on average, I think that you guys should seriously work on a fair profile for Serbia.
That is if you actually want it to be fair.

I think there is some misunderstanding between us.
New Serbian average is average for ethnic Serbs, not for Serbia as a country with all ethnic minorities - Hungarians, Roma, Sandzak Bosniaks, Albanians etc.

Our new average is a final average result of several tens of Serb results. It is transparent and fair.

[Leto]

Serbian Baltic average is at 29-30%.