Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[Vojnik]

Some of these macedonians plot closer to me than any bulgarian. And the oldest mention of my family name is from Zagorichani, Kostursko during 1905. The prophecy is true.

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

I'm guessing your family left Zagorichani after the massacre committed by the Greeks there in 1905.

"I doubt whether anyone can from merely reading the consular reports and monthly statistics of crimescommitted by the Greeks, form an adequate conception of the intense suffering of the Macedonian population of this unfortunate region".

The Eastern Question 1774 - 1923, N.S Anderson, 1974, London, p.145
Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.265

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[bained]

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

I'm guessing your family left Zagorichani after the massacre committed by the Greeks there in 1905.

I have no information about it. Probably was before that or for some reason everybody forgot about it. I found some guy on facebook from Resen, Macedonia with the same family name, but he refuses to talk to me.

There are many reasons for it, but that's another conversation that leads to insults and hysteria. In the same manner, I can claim the opposite and still be correct. Anyway, I'm just trying to explain my atypical results and I've finally found people close to me.

Nice are you partly Macedonian ?

Not that I'm aware of. I tracked my ancestors until 1878 and all of them are from the central part of Bulgaria. My DNA is very atypical for the region.

BTW, it would explain my enormous love for the song "Makedonsko Devoiche".

[Lioncourt]

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

It's more ancient than that. Bulgarians and Macedonians have native and Slavic in similar proportions.

[Vojnik]

I have no information about it. Probably was before that or for some reason everybody forgot about it. I found some guy on facebook from Resen, Macedonia with the same family name, but he refuses to talk to me.
There are many reasons for it, but that's another conversation that leads to insults and hysteria. In the same manner, I can claim the opposite and still be correct. Anyway, I'm just trying to explain my atypical results and I've finally found people close to me.



Not that I'm aware of. I tracked my ancestors until 1878 and all of them are from the central part of Bulgaria. My DNA is very atypical for the region.

BTW, it would explain my enormous love for the song "Makedonsko Devoiche".

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

[bained]

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

Oh God, here we go again. I seriously don't want to lead this conversation, because I don't care. I pursue strictly egoistical purpose in DNA.

[Lioncourt]

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

[JohnnyP]

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

Yeah , but there were many migrations by Macedonians from Macedonia to Bulgaria and also by Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia to Bulgaria especially around Black Sea.Im not speaking about last few decades, i speak about 100-120 years ago,thats nothing wrong,people migrating in past too often,i want to say for example Southwest Bulgaria by census records till 1945 year was populated by Macedonians like 80%,also from US State Department document shows census of 1956 year in Bulgaria with around 200,000 Macedonians who live there, but again i know this conversation will lead in wrong way ,im not fighting bro just discussing, i think many of these migrations and other circumastances made us very close and thats good !Cheers brate!

[Vojnik]

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

When did i say my family went to Yugoslavia? Half are from Lerin, the other half from Bitola. It is a 20 minute drive between those two towns. Exactly the same stock of people really.

The Macedonians migrating to Bulgaria formed a Bulgarian identity after some years spent in Bulgaria. In schools and churches, filled with propaganda.

[JohnnyP]

One more Macedonian Eurogenes k13 result.No kit number ,its from forum posts.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.78
2 Baltic 20.63
3 North_Atlantic 20.33
4 West_Med 19.35
5 West_Asian 12.86
6 Red_Sea 4.12
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 Northeast_African 0.4
9 Siberian 0.11
10 East_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.38
2 Greek_Thessaly 5.97
3 Romanian 6.38
4 Serbian 10.67
5 Italian_Abruzzo 12.45
6 Central_Greek 12.48
7 Tuscan 12.87
8 East_Sicilian 13.77
9 West_Sicilian 14.04
10 North_Italian 14.88
11 Moldavian 15.97
12 Ashkenazi 16.05
13 South_Italian 16.86
14 Hungarian 18.81
15 Croatian 19.02
16 Austrian 21.13
17 Portuguese 21.54
18 Spanish_Extremadura 22.12
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.24
20 Algerian_Jewish 22.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% Central_Greek + 39.5% Croatian @ 1.76
2 56.2% Central_Greek + 43.8% Moldavian @ 1.88
3 67.2% Central_Greek + 32.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.89
4 70.7% Central_Greek + 29.3% Polish @ 1.96
5 68.4% Central_Greek + 31.6% Ukrainian @ 2.03
6 51.4% Moldavian + 48.6% South_Italian @ 2.03
7 60.2% South_Italian + 39.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.06
8 53.8% East_Sicilian + 46.2% Moldavian @ 2.19
9 53% South_Italian + 47% Croatian @ 2.23
10 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.31
11 61.5% South_Italian + 38.5% Ukrainian @ 2.33
12 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Moldavian @ 2.35
13 58.2% East_Sicilian + 41.8% Croatian @ 2.35
14 76.9% Bulgarian + 23.1% Central_Greek @ 2.37
15 72% Central_Greek + 28% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.37
16 68.2% Central_Greek + 31.8% South_Polish @ 2.4
17 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.42
18 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% South_Italian @ 2.44
19 64% South_Italian + 36% Polish @ 2.44
20 65.4% South_Italian + 34.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.46

[JohnnyP]

Closest populations to Macedonian samples from K13 Eurogenes.

Distance to:	Vlach_North-Macedonia
3.91461349	Kosovo_Albanian
4.13471054	North_Macedonian
4.40844644	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.69486954	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.89497702	Macedonian_Southeast
4.89898969	Greek_Central-Macedonia
4.96505790	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.11829073	Bulgarian_Serres
5.21273441	Bulgarian_Central
5.35772340	Macedonian_Northwest
5.52200145	Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.58783500	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.63889174	Bulgarian
5.68591242	Macedonian_North
5.78089093	Macedonian_Central
5.80525624	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.81604677	Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
6.05198315	Macedonian_East
6.09923766	Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.58057748	Turk_Kavala
6.67097444	Greek_Thessaloniki
6.71233767	Macedonian
6.78074480	Albanian
6.80893531	Turk_Alexandroupoli
6.91316859	Romanian_Oltenia

Distance to:	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
3.04304124	Greek_Thessaloniki
4.12563934	Albanian
4.19652237	Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.25675933	Macedonian_Southwest
4.25868524	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.37782276	Kosovo_Albanian
4.43430942	Macedonian_East
4.55782843	Macedonian_North
4.65229849	North_Macedonian
5.37954459	Macedonian_Central
5.56550986	Greek_Western-Macedonia
5.74221624	Bulgarian_Thrace
5.89966948	Turk_Thessaloniki
5.99549831	Bulgarian_Central
6.08809494	Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.16213437	Bulgarian
6.27110038	Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.28813963	Greek_Thessaly
6.39767145	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.57066968	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.59917419	Romanian_Muntenia
6.78658972	Macedonian_Northwest
7.05022222	GR_Macedonia
7.12199410	Macedonian_Greece
7.18315390	Turk_Kazanlik

Distance to:	Macedonian_Southwest
3.15924042	Macedonian_North
4.09976829	Greek_Thessaloniki
4.25675933	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.66185585	Macedonian_Central
5.02448007	Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.76001090	Bulgarian_Thrace
6.06340663	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
6.17955500	Macedonian_East
6.18271785	Macedonian_Greece
6.23677801	Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
6.30572756	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
6.48039351	Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.60544472	Albanian
6.82198651	Bulgarian
7.03568271	North_Macedonian
7.06535208	Vlach_North-Macedonia
7.40735812	Kosovo_Albanian
7.42427774	Turk_Thessaloniki
7.44823917	GR_Macedonia
7.50503831	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
7.56697430	Romanian_Muntenia
7.58589481	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
7.59354989	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
7.66403288	Macedonian_Northwest
7.67506352	Vlach_Central-Macedonia

Distance to:	Macedonian_Central
3.39344957	Macedonian_North
4.08871618	Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.21647957	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.26373076	Bulgarian
4.35011494	Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
4.66185585	Macedonian_Southwest
4.81641983	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
4.93070989	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.10453720	Macedonian_Northwest
5.23766169	Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.37954459	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.70092810	North_Macedonian
5.73589575	Macedonian_Greece
5.78089093	Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.80344725	Romanian_Muntenia
5.91104052	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
6.01015497	Macedonian
6.07820697	Greek_Thessaloniki
6.10578414	Macedonian_East
6.24330842	Bulgarian_Central
6.30284063	Pomak_Drama
6.78283864	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.84154538	Kosovo_Albanian
6.89912313	Bulgarian_Sofia
6.92061117	Bulgarian_Thrace

Distance to:	Macedonian_Southeast
3.29390346	Turk_Kavala
4.38449541	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.76355959	Greek_Western-Macedonia
4.81640945	Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
4.89497702	Vlach_North-Macedonia
4.94998990	Turk_Alexandroupoli
4.97567081	Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.15378502	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.16686009	Kosovo_Albanian
5.50280837	Greek_Central-Macedonia
5.50997278	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
5.60068746	Pomak_Drama
5.70684677	Turk_Stara-Zagora
5.91932429	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
6.08911324	Pomak_Central-Macedonia
6.12449182	Bulgarian_Burgas
6.18628321	Bulgarian
6.32576725	North_Macedonian
6.51545342	GR_Macedonia
6.59690079	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.66439044	Turk_Kazanlik
6.71253305	Turk_Dobrich
6.77084190	Turk_Thessaloniki
6.78689914	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.78785680	Turk_Drama

Distance to:	Macedonian_East
2.85666436	North_Macedonian
3.05439028	Bulgarian_Central
3.68624470	Romanian_Muntenia
4.04357515	Macedonian_Northwest
4.22602650	Macedonian_North
4.30614677	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.43430942	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.62004329	Bulgarian
4.65929853	Macedonian
5.25514986	Bulgarian_Serres
5.33634707	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.44437324	Bulgarian_Southwest
5.55295417	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.78824671	Romanian_Oltenia
5.81792918	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.85799454	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.01155554	Pomak_Plovdiv
6.04218504	Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.05198315	Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.10578414	Macedonian_Central
6.17955500	Macedonian_Southwest
6.19881440	Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.22010450	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.30938983	Greek_Thessaloniki
6.46869289	Kosovo_Albanian

Distance to:	Macedonian_Northwest
2.42846628	Macedonian
2.43885219	Bulgarian_Central
2.58244071	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
2.77667067	Romanian_Oltenia
2.96374763	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
3.02676395	Bulgarian
3.29322505	North_Macedonian
3.30448181	Bosniak_Sandzak
3.67170260	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
3.68937664	Romanian_Muntenia
3.81811532	Montenegrin
4.04357515	Macedonian_East
4.06637431	Romanian_Transylvania
4.39600955	Bulgarian_Serres
4.80726533	Macedonian_North
4.83178021	Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.10453720	Macedonian_Central
5.21978927	Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.31168523	Bulgarian_Sofia
5.35772340	Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.42708025	Romanian_Average
5.56587819	Bulgarian_Pleven
5.59657038	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
5.72762604	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.96480511	Bulgarian_Southwest

Distance to:	Macedonian_North
3.15924042	Macedonian_Southwest
3.39344957	Macedonian_Central
4.22602650	Macedonian_East
4.40167014	Bulgarian
4.55782843	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.80726533	Macedonian_Northwest
4.84362468	Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.92740106	North_Macedonian
5.03795593	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.07430783	Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
5.10643711	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.16157922	Romanian_Muntenia
5.29154095	Macedonian
5.44455691	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.45338427	Bulgarian_Central
5.51574111	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
5.53364256	Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.57235139	Bulgarian_Serres
5.59035777	Greek_Thessaloniki
5.68591242	Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.15610266	Bulgarian_Sofia
6.29890467	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.45049610	Pomak_Plovdiv
6.59499810	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.93813375	Romanian_Oltenia

Distance to:	Macedonian_Greece
4.32989607	Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.40205634	Pomak_Komotini
5.06688267	Pomak_Drama
5.09092134	Bulgarian_Thrace
5.36639233	GR_Macedonia
5.66901226	Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.73589575	Macedonian_Central
5.86059724	Turk_Drama
5.94042928	Greek_Thessaloniki
6.14166915	Turk_Thessaloniki
6.18271785	Macedonian_Southwest
7.03134411	Macedonian_North
7.10732017	Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
7.10992968	Bulgarian
7.12199410	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.44545499	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
7.58841881	Turk_Xanthi
7.64189113	Greek_Eastern-Thrace
7.84520236	Macedonian_Southeast
7.87750595	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
8.06311974	Turk_Dobrich
8.34333866	Greek_Western-Macedonia
8.38536821	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
8.40746097	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
8.55883170	Bulgarian_Gabrovo