French Regional Averages by Tomenable

**~~dududud~~** · 05-21-2020, 11:47 PM

My father : Pierre_Bord_scaled,0.12862,0.137096,0.050157,0.032 3,0.045855,0.013108,-0.00188,0.005307,0.007158,0.018406,-0.003248,0.007343,-0.016204,-0.012661,0.021851,-0.006364,-0.024643,0.005194,0.00264,-0.005628,0.003868,0.002597,0.000863,0.008796,0.004 67

**Peterski** · 05-21-2020, 11:52 PM

K13/K15 for provance4409 (which I excluded completely - but I might reconsider and add to Provence_North):

K13:

Code:

provance4409,36.30,24.59,17.39,8.17,9.60,0.36,0.69,0,0,1.05,0,0,1.86

K15:

Code:

provance4409,29.86,17.61,13.14,10.18,13.00,6.72,6.64,0.65,0.04,0,0,0.53,0,0,1.62

^^^
He scores Austria in Eurogenes K15... (and in G25 it also looks like he has some sort of Slovak-like admixture):

Originally Posted by Samnium

Aosta like still doesn't mean Piedmontese like

Yeah but this is a sample allegedly from Nord Department (of course I count it as part of "Central" - I excluded from "Belgica"):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_(French_department)

K15:

Code:

Nord28,25.14,31.46,9.32,2.58,18.26,3.44,6.2,1.14,1.13,0,0,0.96,0.24,0,0.12

K13:

Code:

Nord28,44.26,14.93,23.28,3.82,8.98,1.56,1.31,0,0,1.22,0.33,0,0.31

It is among the most southern-shifted of Nord samples.

**Peterski** · 05-22-2020, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Aren

(...) Some are almost 100% French-Paris

Provance4409 was only scoring 91% Paris because your comparison was limited to either Paris or Piedmont (no other options possible).

Look where this sample plots in Global25 PCA, right next to Austria8 and Austria11:

Based on K15 (see above), this sample is closest to Austria_Burgenland (whoever made that average).

I think this sample might have Polish great-grandfather or something like that (lots of Poles in France):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_France

Maybe try a comparison with Paris + Piedmont + Belarusian/Ukrainian, and see if this one scores higher % of East Euro than all others.

**Aren** · 05-22-2020, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Peterski

Provance4409 was only scoring 91% Paris because your comparison was limited to either Paris or Piedmont (no other options possible).

Look where this sample plots in Global25 PCA, right next to Austria8 and Austria11:

Based on K15 (see above), this sample is closest to Austria_Burgenland (whoever made that average).

I think this sample might have Polish great-grandfather or something like that (lots of Poles in France):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_France

Maybe try a comparison with Paris + Piedmont + Belarusian/Ukrainian, and see if this one scores higher % of East Euro than all others.

Yeah that guy for sure has recent ancestry from East-Central Europe.
That's kinda the case with many samples from France, even academical ones I presume since they can't sample based on heritage conisdering it's illegal.

**Samnium** · 05-22-2020, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Aren

Yeah that guy for sure has recent ancestry from East-Central Europe.
That's kinda the case with many samples from France, even academical ones I presume since they can't sample based on heritage conisdering it's illegal.

They can check the "ancestry" (atleast until the great-grd parents), they did that on the last study (Giemza et al) because without that, you have meaningless averages and studies

**Peterski** · 05-22-2020, 01:52 AM

I think Greeks had very good methodology in this study (and of course they sampled based on heritage):

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/ahg.12328

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/31192450/

**Aren** · 05-22-2020, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Samnium

They can check the "ancestry" (atleast until the great-grd parents), they did that on the last study (Giemza et al) because without that, you have meaningless averages and studies

So it's not illegal? Cause I've heard numerous times that you can't collect info on others in France based on heritage.

**~~dududud~~** · 05-22-2020, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Aren

So it's not illegal? Cause I've heard numerous times that you can't collect info on others in France based on heritage.

Illegal to check the genealogy? I don't think.

**Coastal Elite** · 05-22-2020, 04:52 AM

This thread underscores that TA needs more members with French ancestry. So far Euro mutts and German-Americans are coming closest to French populations.

**~~dududud~~** · 05-22-2020, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

This thread underscores that TA needs more members with French ancestry. So far Euro mutts and German-Americans are coming closest to French populations.

I have some samples of French from my cousins from the North of France, I could help

I prefer not to share my results because being that three quarter French, the results will be distorted.