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    I am sure there is some I1 and I2 native to the region, probably the majority is Swedish though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I am sure there is some I1 and I2 native to the region, probably the majority is Swedish though.
    Why then the majority of I1 in Finland is 2500 years old or older. Why the distribution of R1b in Finland is 3.5%, although it is in Sweden 21.5%? Reasonable explanations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Why then the majority of I1 in Finland is 2500 years old or older. Why the distribution of R1b in Finland is 3.5%, although it is in Sweden 21.5%?
    Most the R1b in Scandinavia comes from later German settlement. Sweden used to have German lands. For instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Pomerania

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Most the R1b in Scandinavia comes from later German settlement. Sweden used to have German lands. For instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Pomerania
    Maybe the Swedish R1b is 400 years old, but how do you exlpain that in my own I1-clade, making it now only an example, which is 1500 years old is only one Swedish FtDna match, which actually is a debatable case, because it is an American guy and they usually prefer Swedish ancestry. I have only one Swedish match within 1500 years and around 1000 Finnish matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Maybe the Swedish R1b is 400 years old, but how do you exlpain that in my own I1-clade, making it now only an example, which is 1500 years old is only one Swedish FtDna match, which actually is a debatable case, because it is an American guy and they usually prefer Swedish ancestry. I have only one Swedish match within 1500 years and around 1000 Finnish matches.
    But what percent of Swedes and Finns have actually taken Y-Dna tests and what percent of those people are from major urban areas? Statistics aren't simple nor are they definitive. Your clade could be more ancient, it's possible but Finland wasn't heavily populated until the Viking era. Finland was probably always a path for Hunter Gathers and later Scandinavians. I would imagine there is a good degree of diversity even if its not exaggerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    But what percent of Swedes and Finns have actually taken Y-Dna tests and what percent of those people are from major urban areas? Statistics aren't simple nor are they definitive. Your clade could be more ancient, it's possible but Finland wasn't heavily populated until the Viking era. Finland was probably always a path for Hunter Gathers and later Scandinavians. I would imagine there is a good degree of diversity even if its not exaggerated.
    My clade is dated by FtDna and yFull. I have not courage to deny their maths. It is older, it is a branch of a 2500 years old Finnish branch, which have Swedish matches counted by one hand fingers and most of them have Finnish roots. Of course there is more Finnish I1 in Sweden, but maths how they calculate clade ages can't be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    But what percent of Swedes and Finns have actually taken Y-Dna tests and what percent of those people are from major urban areas? Statistics aren't simple nor are they definitive. Your clade could be more ancient, it's possible but Finland wasn't heavily populated until the Viking era. Finland was probably always a path for Hunter Gathers and later Scandinavians. I would imagine there is a good degree of diversity even if its not exaggerated.
    I don't think many do at all, nobody seem to care about digging deeper than just taking a dna test at most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maintenance View Post
    I don't think many do at all, nobody seem to care about digging deeper than just taking a dna test at most.
    A lot test with crappy companies too like Myheritage or FTDNA and just do Morley as well. I remember reading that Europeans use mostly those two companies as where Americans use mostly Ancestry or 23.

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