Slavic G25 (ancient) calculator

[Jana]

I gave up from reboot, been working on it whole day until now but I wasn't satisfied with test runs.
Basically I can't make flawless model, including this one of course. Too much time and effort for little return.

Best to leave it to scientists.

[Karol Klačansky]

I gave up from reboot, been working on it whole day until now but I wasn't satisfied with test runs.
Basically I can't make flawless model, including this one of course. Too much time and effort for little return.

Best to leave it to scientists.

It's a good model. Wont get much more accurate until we get more ancient samples. Best we can do is come up with ranges for our ancestry. Basically I'm anywhere from 50-60 percent Slavic from what I'm seeing genetically. I'm cool with this. I wish they would get more samples from great Moravian times so I could confirm I'm a direct discendent. That's all I'm waiting for.

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[Jana]

Model for me which gives me lowest possible fit (ancients)

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.0407% / 0.01040694

48.0 Balto-Slavic
33.2 Old_Balkan
13.2 North_Caucasian
5.4 German
0.2 Mongoloid

After I added ancient north caucasian samples from russia my fit improved significantly
No idea where it is from but everywhere I have very high west asian/caucasus/chg affinity.

And it seems my Slavic input is not anything special but rather low for a Croat.

This is first time I get such low distance fit, previous model was 2 times higher distance.

[Lucas]

Model for me which gives me lowest possible fit (ancients)

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.0407% / 0.01040694

48.0 Balto-Slavic
33.2 Old_Balkan
13.2 North_Caucasian
5.4 German
0.2 Mongoloid

After I added ancient north caucasian samples from russia my fit improved significantly
No idea where it is from but everywhere I have very high west asian/caucasus/chg affinity.

And it seems my Slavic input is not anything special but rather low for a Croat.

This is first time I get such low distance fit, previous model was 2 times higher distance.

Yes, even in my oracle to Eurogenes K10 you got something like 87% Slovenian and 13% Armenian in mixed mode.

[-Scar-]

Model for me which gives me lowest possible fit (ancients)

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.0407% / 0.01040694

48.0 Balto-Slavic
33.2 Old_Balkan
13.2 North_Caucasian
5.4 German
0.2 Mongoloid

After I added ancient north caucasian samples from russia my fit improved significantly
No idea where it is from but everywhere I have very high west asian/caucasus/chg affinity.

And it seems my Slavic input is not anything special but rather low for a Croat.

This is first time I get such low distance fit, previous model was 2 times higher distance.

The Baltic is probably ''sucking'' lots of Slavic since Balts were more northeastern shifted from the original Slavs. Slavic subclades of I2a and R1a are over 60% in Croatia and Slavs were not pure R1a and I2a, they had other haplogroups. Croatia is really close to Poland in terms of Slavic Y-DNA R1a and I2a who are around 80%-85% Slavic. (The territory of Poland was depopulated the Gemanic tribes and repopulated by Slavs).

Around 65% to 75% Slavic ancestry in Croats, and 70% as the main average.

[Jana]

The Baltic is probably ''sucking'' lots of Slavic since Balts were more northeastern shifted from the original Slavs. Slavic subclades of I2a and R1a are over 60% in Croatia and Slavs were not pure R1a and I2a, they had other haplogroups. Croatia is really close to Poland in terms of Slavic Y-DNA R1a and I2a who are around 80%-85% Slavic. (The territory of Poland was depopulated the Gemanic tribes and repopulated by Slavs).

Around 65% to 75% Slavic ancestry in Croats, and 70% as the main average.

G25 Croatian average is from Zagreb, lot of Croats are more Med than that. I am mixed, not fully south slavic.

And I get much better fit by using pure Baltic samples (Iron Age Estonia and Golden Horde Euro, autosomally Lithuanian), than medieval Slavic samples.

Ph2ter told me same, that my Slavic part is more northwestern compared to his. So maybe that is why I plot quite north, my Slavic input is not big but is very purely NE Euro/Baltic like.

[-Scar-]

Ph2ter told me same, that my Slavic part is more northwestern compared to his. So maybe that is why I plot quite north, my Slavic input is not big but is very purely NE Euro/Baltic like.

The pagan Slavs that occupied Croatia were more I2a than R1a, so I doubt they resemebled genetically Balts more than those medieval Slavic samples that we have.

[Jana]

The pagan Slavs that occupied Croatia were more I2a than R1a, so I doubt they resemebled genetically Balts more than those medieval Slavic samples that we have.

I am not speaking for average Croats but for what I get
Maybe that expains why on myheritage I get East Euro + Greek/South Italian and no Balkan at all.
It seems my slavic component is very northern while my paleo part is very med, no much in between.
Also on 23andme I get very high east euro and low balkan, despite balkan is based on modern south slavs.

[-Scar-]

I am not speaking for average Croats but for what I get
Maybe that expains why on myheritage I get East Euro + Greek/South Italian and no Balkan at all.
It seems my slavic component is very northern while my paleo part is very med, no much in between.
Also on 23andme I get very high east euro and low balkan, despite balkan is based on modern south slavs.

It isn't meant to be taken literally, the key is to use the right samples. A Sicilian and be modeled as half Lebanese and half central European (I suppose).

[Peterski]

Not very probable, but at the same time it's entirely possible. You should look at more results of parents and offspring. This is more common than you think.

https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/...hy-it-matters/

Look at Asia then. Well, in any case, this is far from being uncommon. Just find some kits of families and you will see.
Another example is how I shift towards W. Europe compared to my parents' average, and their average pulls towards E. Europe instead. I also score as much East Asian as my mom, whereas my dad has less, so the average should theoretically be lower.
I recall off the top of my head that another Polish user had a similar inconsistency. In his case, he was scoring more Med than his parents' average.

Exactly.