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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    To be honest, no doubt that is a Cypriotic Turk, but i don’t think that those results represent all. It is well documented that many Yörüks from Taurus mountains were deported to Cyprus? So idk whether they reached the island, died or leaved it before they left any traces. This person has no Turkic input, just native Cypriot.
    Yes although it is possible that they have a recent non-Turkish ancestor judging by the SSA. Also some calculators give them 1-2 Mongoloid so its not completely native either.
    I got the kit from this video, it has the kit number in the description if you want to check it out
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzBc...nel=KeironKrut

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    A banned user (Turkish Cypriot)

    lonewolfcypriot(Turkish_Cypriot),7.56,0.81,4.00,1. 23,21.14,6.30,0,2.83,16.85,0,38.22,1.04

    He claimed distance Sudanese Ottoman-era ancestry.

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    Dodecad k12b is the best calc for me as a Central/East Anatolian...
    (%0.8 NW Euro/Scandinavia + %0.8 E Asian/Native America + 98% W Asian @23andme)

    Gedrosia 18.48 Pct
    Siberian 2.40 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 0.21 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
    North_European 10.08 Pct
    South_Asian 2.05 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 12.77 Pct
    East_Asian 1.11 Pct
    Caucasus 40.41 Pct
    Sub_Saharan 0.69 Pct

    Single Population Approximation List:

    1. Turk_Anatolia_Southeast @ 3,735934
    2. Turk_Anatolia_East @ 4,424434
    3. Turk_Anatolia_Central_East @ 4,831532
    4. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 4,899755
    5. Azerbaijani_Karabakh @ 4,980261
    6. Azerbaijani @ 5,218659
    7. Turk_Anatolia_Central_Black_Sea @ 6,061048
    8. Azerbaijani_Iran @ 6,117214
    9. Turk_Anatolia_Central_West @ 6,844896
    10. Turk_Anatolia_South @ 6,848385
    11. Azerbaijani_North-West @ 6,891117
    12. Zaza @ 7,401398
    13. Kurd_Kurmanji @ 7,507963
    14. Udi @ 7,615866
    15. Turkmen_Iraq @ 8,3242
    16. Kurd_Sorani @ 9,566264
    17. Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 9,683058
    18. Greek_Kayseri @ 9,872475
    19. Armenian_East @ 9,975551
    20. Turk_Anatolia_West_Black_Sea @ 10,028564

    2-Population Approximation List:

    1. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA59_TianShanSaka @ 1,497426
    2. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA81_TianShanHun @ 1,604093
    3. %6 Russian_Tver + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,701592
    4. %6 Russian_Smolensk + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,722981
    5. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA47_TianShanSaka @ 1,73762
    6. %80 Armenian_West + %20 DA85_TianShanHun @ 1,74357
    7. %6 Swedish + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,846904
    8. %6 Norwegian + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,89333
    9. %6 Russian_Pinega + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,9236

    10. %88 Turk_Anatolia_East + %12 Turk_Romania @ 1,988394
    11. %7 German + %93 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,993411
    12. %5 FIN30 + %95 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,993636
    13. %5 Finnish + %95 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,04125

    14. %7 Hungarians + %93 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,050115
    15. %6 Russian_Kostroma + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,069413
    16. %8 Bosnian + %92 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,073327
    17. %79 Azerbaijani + %21 Greek_Ikaria @ 2,074869
    18. %6 Dutch + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,078983
    19. %8 Szekely + %92 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,09106
    20. %6 Orkney + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,100319
    %1 E European + %1 E Asian + %98 W Asian @23andme V5.9
    %14.6 Turk_Rumeli + %85.4 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,422
    %12.5 Turk_Deliorman + %87.5 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,463
    %6.6 Mordvin + %93.4 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,468
    %17.3 Hun_TianShan + 35.8% Roman_Anatolian_Imperial + %46.9 Mannaean @ 1,651
    %6 Russian_Tver + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,702
    %6 Swedish + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,847

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Yes although it is possible that they have a recent non-Turkish ancestor judging by the SSA. Also some calculators give them 1-2 Mongoloid so its not completely native either.
    I got the kit from this video, it has the kit number in the description if you want to check it out
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzBc...nel=KeironKrut
    Yes the high African is noticeable, but it seems many have it from this island. They are literally a mix of Anatolians and Levantines + minor Greek/Turkish/African. But it is just curious that Turks there don’t show appreciable Turkic genetic influence. Turks who were settled outside of Anatolia nearly everytime left remarkable Turkic influence, even Palestine Turkmens(although to be honest i just saw one result) show Turkic traces and that is really something special.

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    100% Baloch from Sarbaz SouthEast Iran:

    Gedrosian: 47.33
    Siberian: 0.00
    Northwest_African: 0.00
    Southeast_Asian: 1.01
    Atlantic_Med: 1.90
    North_European: 4.08
    South_Asian 10.37
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 10.34
    East_Asian: 0.00
    Caucasian: 19.54
    Sub-Saharan: 5.41

    Distance to: Baloch_Sarbaz
    13.58938188 Iran_Bandari
    18.37074032 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
    19.24427447 Makrani
    19.51477901 Pashtun_Kandahar
    20.28737046 Pathan
    20.68315498 Tajik_Herat
    20.90476022 Pashtun_Tarkalani
    21.47003493 Nuristani
    21.62762585 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
    21.64060535 Tajik_Kabul
    21.87293533 Pashtun_Yusafzai
    21.99515174 Parsi_India
    22.28886045 Kalash
    22.99704546 Balochi
    23.15763373 Kho
    24.29604083 Tajiks
    24.92812869 Burusho
    25.95268580 Turkmens
    26.27565413 Iran_Khorasan
    26.31125235 Iran_Mazandaran
    26.63175924 Iranian_Fars
    26.72956790 Pamiri_Ishkashim
    27.47421336 Yagnobi
    27.48366060 Sindhi
    27.80697215 Tajik_Tajikistan

    Target: Baloch_Sarbaz
    Distance: 2.8947% / 2.89474592 | ADC: 0.25x
    54.0 Iran_Bandari
    41.8 Makrani
    4.2 Iran_Mazandaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by altaic View Post
    Dodecad k12b is the best calc for me as a Central/East Anatolian...
    (%0.8 NW Euro/Scandinavia + %0.8 E Asian/Native America + 98% W Asian @23andme)

    Gedrosia 18.48 Pct
    Siberian 2.40 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 0.21 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
    North_European 10.08 Pct
    South_Asian 2.05 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 12.77 Pct
    East_Asian 1.11 Pct
    Caucasus 40.41 Pct
    Sub_Saharan 0.69 Pct

    Single Population Approximation List:

    1. Turk_Anatolia_Southeast @ 3,735934
    2. Turk_Anatolia_East @ 4,424434
    3. Turk_Anatolia_Central_East @ 4,831532
    4. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 4,899755
    5. Azerbaijani_Karabakh @ 4,980261
    6. Azerbaijani @ 5,218659
    7. Turk_Anatolia_Central_Black_Sea @ 6,061048
    8. Azerbaijani_Iran @ 6,117214
    9. Turk_Anatolia_Central_West @ 6,844896
    10. Turk_Anatolia_South @ 6,848385
    11. Azerbaijani_North-West @ 6,891117
    12. Zaza @ 7,401398
    13. Kurd_Kurmanji @ 7,507963
    14. Udi @ 7,615866
    15. Turkmen_Iraq @ 8,3242
    16. Kurd_Sorani @ 9,566264
    17. Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 9,683058
    18. Greek_Kayseri @ 9,872475
    19. Armenian_East @ 9,975551
    20. Turk_Anatolia_West_Black_Sea @ 10,028564

    2-Population Approximation List:

    1. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA59_TianShanSaka @ 1,497426
    2. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA81_TianShanHun @ 1,604093
    3. %6 Russian_Tver + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,701592
    4. %6 Russian_Smolensk + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,722981
    5. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA47_TianShanSaka @ 1,73762
    6. %80 Armenian_West + %20 DA85_TianShanHun @ 1,74357
    7. %6 Swedish + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,846904
    8. %6 Norwegian + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,89333
    9. %6 Russian_Pinega + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,9236

    10. %88 Turk_Anatolia_East + %12 Turk_Romania @ 1,988394
    11. %7 German + %93 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,993411
    12. %5 FIN30 + %95 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,993636
    13. %5 Finnish + %95 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,04125

    14. %7 Hungarians + %93 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,050115
    15. %6 Russian_Kostroma + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,069413
    16. %8 Bosnian + %92 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,073327
    17. %79 Azerbaijani + %21 Greek_Ikaria @ 2,074869
    18. %6 Dutch + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,078983
    19. %8 Szekely + %92 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,09106
    20. %6 Orkney + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 2,100319
    According to this, you most likely have 1/8 Balkan Turkish ancestry. I also noticed in other calculators. You had Bulgarian etc... especially on K13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    According to this, you most likely have 1/8 Balkan Turkish ancestry. I also noticed in other calculators. You had Bulgarian etc... especially on K13.
    Could be. I have possible distant relatives on 23andme from Bulgaria and Balkan area. Fifth cousin etc.. some Polish as well. Does not make sense when I compare the percentages but it appears on the list. I actually had Balkan 1-2% on the first 23andme version and it is now NorthWestern/Scandinavian + minor Broadly Euro. I am wondering how it will appear on 5.9 version... I have slightly higher Euro percentages compare to Eastern Anatolian (still lower than Western Turks), that is why it pulls me and model as minor European, I think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    100% Baloch from Sarbaz SouthEast Iran:

    Gedrosian: 47.33
    Siberian: 0.00
    Northwest_African: 0.00
    Southeast_Asian: 1.01
    Atlantic_Med: 1.90
    North_European: 4.08
    South_Asian 10.37
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 10.34
    East_Asian: 0.00
    Caucasian: 19.54
    Sub-Saharan: 5.41

    Distance to: Baloch_Sarbaz
    13.58938188 Iran_Bandari
    18.37074032 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
    19.24427447 Makrani
    19.51477901 Pashtun_Kandahar
    20.28737046 Pathan
    20.68315498 Tajik_Herat
    20.90476022 Pashtun_Tarkalani
    21.47003493 Nuristani
    21.62762585 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
    21.64060535 Tajik_Kabul
    21.87293533 Pashtun_Yusafzai
    21.99515174 Parsi_India
    22.28886045 Kalash
    22.99704546 Balochi
    23.15763373 Kho
    24.29604083 Tajiks
    24.92812869 Burusho
    25.95268580 Turkmens
    26.27565413 Iran_Khorasan
    26.31125235 Iran_Mazandaran
    26.63175924 Iranian_Fars
    26.72956790 Pamiri_Ishkashim
    27.47421336 Yagnobi
    27.48366060 Sindhi
    27.80697215 Tajik_Tajikistan

    Target: Baloch_Sarbaz
    Distance: 2.8947% / 2.89474592 | ADC: 0.25x
    54.0 Iran_Bandari
    41.8 Makrani
    4.2 Iran_Mazandaran
    I don't unerstand why even Baloch from Southeast Iran have such high levels of SSA admixture. It was expectable in Balochis from South Iran/Hormozgan.
    But even Balochis from Balochistan have it.

    Edit: actually he clusters closer with Iran_Bandari than Balochi, which shows he doesn't seem to be typical for a Baloch from the Balochistan province. Likely a little Makrani mixed.
    Last edited by Demhat; 09-23-2020 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altaic View Post
    Could be. I have possible distant relatives on 23andme from Bulgaria and Balkan area. Fifth cousin etc.. some Polish as well. Does not make sense when I compare the percentages but it appears on the list. I actually had Balkan 1-2% on the first 23andme version and it is now NorthWestern/Scandinavian + minor Broadly Euro. I am wondering how it will appear on 5.9 version... I have slightly higher Euro percentages compare to Eastern Anatolian (still lower than Western Turks), that is why it pulls me and model as minor European, I think...
    Example; Bulgarian, predicted 4th cousin 0.26% DNA shared, 1 segment



    Example; Polish, predicted 4th cousin 0.25% DNA shared, 3 segment


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    Quote Originally Posted by altaic View Post
    Could be. I have possible distant relatives on 23andme from Bulgaria and Balkan area. Fifth cousin etc.. some Polish as well. Does not make sense when I compare the percentages but it appears on the list. I actually had Balkan 1-2% on the first 23andme version and it is now NorthWestern/Scandinavian + minor Broadly Euro. I am wondering how it will appear on 5.9 version... I have slightly higher Euro percentages compare to Eastern Anatolian (still lower than Western Turks), that is why it pulls me and model as minor European, I think...
    Relatives are always more important than admixture breakdowns of companies, as you know they always tend to update their results to reach better one. I don't expect better breakdowns on v5.9 as well. That makes sense but as I mentioned if you have some relatives from Bulgaria that can be an indicator for a Balkan Turkish ancestry up to 1/8.

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