Ashkenazi Jews are only 1/4 Israelite

[Johnson Reed]

Does my minor Jewish ancestry give me license to slick my hair, wear gold chains and say “Marone!” ?

The real question is, does it mean you should call "them" ditsoon/moolinyan or schvartza?

[Gallop]

Father´s results



Truly seeing my situation in Yfull and my father's result in Ashkenazi in FTDNA, and taking into account the oral tradition of my family which says that our ancestor arrived in Andalusia during the Napoleonic invasion, it is determined that my lineage is an Ashkenazi lineage. Let them find out all the shit from the third to fourth experts, also about my own haplogroup, which is out there in the networks, forums, facebook e.t.c

[Gallop]

The historical events and the relations and connections between the European countries, the Spanish Empire, the expulsion of the Jews in Spain, the Napoleonic invasion of Spain, etc., make it possible, for example, that there could be a Dutchman with a Sephardic haplogroup, pejoratively called Marranos in his time, and a Spaniard with an Ashkenazi haplogroup.

[Dušan]

Imperial Roman DNA is essentially South Italian, not Central Italian.

Well, I checked Roman samples from Illustrative DNA from mine area:

Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514,0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344,0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Viminacium:R9669,0.117238,0.144205,0.017725,-0.012274,0.028928,-0.001116,0,0.009,0.001432,0.021868,0.005196,0.008243,-0.012785,-0.005643,-0.011672,0.001724,0.004172,0.005954,0.00905,-0.005753,-0.013851,0.013354,-0.002218,0.00964,0.007784
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine:R3481,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191

Their average was close to central even north Italian.

Roman_SRB-MNE,0.11923,0.150044,0.017725,-0.022206,0.025081,-0.006833,0.002526,0.005134,0.005778,0.027563,0.000 203,0.007606,-0.01364,0.000309,-0.010756,-0.009812,-0.00352,0.002914,0.007542,-0.006941,-0.006894,0.002288,-0.001572,0.003133,-0.001676


Distance to: Roman_SRB-MNE
0.01930112 Italian_Tuscany
0.02025733 Italian_Emilia
0.02070954 Italian_Lombardy
0.02079867 Greek_Thessaly
0.02340132 Italian_Piedmont
0.02347989 Italian_Marche
0.02434137 Italian_Umbria
0.02561755 French_Corsica
0.02621177 Italian_Bergamo
0.02648841 Greek_Messenia


I dont know is this was common all across Roman empire, but this is for areas of modern Serbia and Montenegro.

[Johnson Reed]

Well, I checked Roman samples from Illustrative DNA from mine area:

Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514,0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344,0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Viminacium:R9669,0.117238,0.144205,0.017725,-0.012274,0.028928,-0.001116,0,0.009,0.001432,0.021868,0.005196,0.008243,-0.012785,-0.005643,-0.011672,0.001724,0.004172,0.005954,0.00905,-0.005753,-0.013851,0.013354,-0.002218,0.00964,0.007784
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine:R3481,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191

Their average was close to central even north Italian.

Roman_SRB-MNE,0.11923,0.150044,0.017725,-0.022206,0.025081,-0.006833,0.002526,0.005134,0.005778,0.027563,0.000 203,0.007606,-0.01364,0.000309,-0.010756,-0.009812,-0.00352,0.002914,0.007542,-0.006941,-0.006894,0.002288,-0.001572,0.003133,-0.001676


Distance to: Roman_SRB-MNE
0.01930112 Italian_Tuscany
0.02025733 Italian_Emilia
0.02070954 Italian_Lombardy
0.02079867 Greek_Thessaly
0.02340132 Italian_Piedmont
0.02347989 Italian_Marche
0.02434137 Italian_Umbria
0.02561755 French_Corsica
0.02621177 Italian_Bergamo
0.02648841 Greek_Messenia


I dont know is this was common all across Roman empire, but this is for areas of modern Serbia and Montenegro.

Imperial Roman DNA from Italy was South Italian/East Med like, and Ashkenazim picked up their Italian blood in Roman Italy, not in the Balkans.

[Paraksenos]

Imperial Roman DNA from Italy was South Italian/East Med like, and Ashkenazim picked up their Italian blood in Roman Italy, not in the Balkans.

The South-Central Italy was indeed South Italian like to Dodecanese/Cypriot like while North Italy was Corsican like.

[Johnson Reed]

Weren't early Italics essentially akin to Iberians without their North African input?

[Leto]

Jews are obviously not just 25% Middle Eastern. Take a look at this member of the Rothschild family:

North_Atlantic 12.17 Pct
Baltic 6.79 Pct
West_Med 18.74 Pct
West_Asian 9.71 Pct
East_Med 42.48 Pct
Red_Sea 6.59 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian 0.78 Pct
Northeast_African 2.13 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

He's Middle Eastern as a bastard, though I'm not saying he's identical to Biblical Hebrews or something.

[Gallop]

Weren't early Italics essentially akin to Iberians without their North African input?

The Latins were Indo-European, the Iberians and the Etruscans were not.How Lady gaga sits on Bidem's lap And modern Norse believe that the elite of Rome were of Norse origin, for it has been said that "sporadic visits from North Africa. beca NA haplogroup has been found in the Etruscans.

[Johnson Reed]

Jews are obviously not just 25% Middle Eastern. Take a look at this member of the Rothschild family:

North_Atlantic 12.17 Pct
Baltic 6.79 Pct
West_Med 18.74 Pct
West_Asian 9.71 Pct
East_Med 42.48 Pct
Red_Sea 6.59 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian 0.78 Pct
Northeast_African 2.13 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

He's Middle Eastern as a bastard, though I'm not saying he's identical to Biblical Hebrews or something.

Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood too, Jews have MENA from mixing with Southern Italians in addition to their original Israelite MENA. Surprised that this guy is almost 59% MENA, that's very high for an Ashkenazi.