Pannonian Cumans on G25

[Max18]

Your mom's results are not unusual if she's one quarter German. Germans are zero East Eurasian and if it's the Volga Germans, they moved to Russia from what is now Southwestern Germany, so they would've been close to zero Eastern European/Slavic, pretty much all Celtic-Germanic.

Yes, you're absolutely right: my German ancestors are Swabians from Elsass.

[Max18]

we apparently had a misunderstanding: in post #67 you wrote "Most half-Tatars will have a lower East Eurasian percentage than you do." and I took it to mean that I have a higher EE level compared to people with similar backgrounds to mine

Sorry, I was referring to post #65

[Max18]

Most half-Tatars will have a lower East Eurasian percentage than you do. My mom is a full Russian and she's about 8-9% EE, Perm/Yekaterinburg Russians can easily score 10-13%. But your North European is significantly lower than any of the Russian averages.

Here are the results from my updated K12b oracle, it used to be a big thing for me back in the day:

Distance to: Max18
1.92818064 38.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 61.40% Slovak
2.30046995 70.00% Finnish_West + 30.00% Turk_Southwest
2.30966378 68.60% Finnish_West + 31.40% Turk_Northwest
2.36705081 66.40% Hungarian_North + 33.60% Udmurt
2.47479863 38.60% Bashkir_North + 61.40% Slovak
2.48984336 38.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 61.40% Hungarian_North
2.51023361 72.40% Finnish_West + 27.60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.51554840 52.80% Slovak + 47.20% Tatar_Kazan
2.54285422 33.20% Czech + 66.80% Tatar_Mishar
2.55203535 36.80% Slovak + 63.20% Tatar_Mishar
2.57398433 36.60% Hungarian_North + 63.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.61510055 42.20% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 57.80% Czech
2.61962537 71.80% Finnish_West + 28.20% Turk_South
2.65834311 35.60% Hungarian_Alföld + 64.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.70898046 70.20% Finnish_West + 29.80% Turk_West_Black_Sea
2.73091572 71.40% Finnish_West + 28.60% Turk_Central_West
2.74332121 33.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest + 66.20% Tatar_Mishar
2.74652613 34.80% Hungarian + 65.20% Tatar_Mishar
2.77054960 29.00% German + 71.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.77755902 53.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest + 46.20% Komi

Slovak is kind of a proxy for 75% Russian, 25% German.

To conclude this topic, I would like to share also the Bronze Age results from Illustrative DNA. Basically, the results are the same as Dodecad K12b: EE range 8-9%. Also additionally I have attached the results of Hunter Gatherer & Farmer Ancestry (before the update the EE percentage was 6.4), as you can see in contrast to pure Russian and Finno-Ugric populations my EHG percentage is lower.

[Leto]

To conclude this topic, I would like to share also the Bronze Age results from Illustrative DNA. Basically, the results are the same as Dodecad K12b: EE range 8-9%. Also additionally I have attached the results of Hunter Gatherer & Farmer Ancestry (before the update the EE percentage was 6.4), as you can see in contrast to pure Russian and Finno-Ugric populations my EHG percentage is lower.

I see. Is your mother some kind of Ukrainian/Southern Russian? Besides the German part.

[Max18]

I see. Is your mother some kind of Ukrainian/Southern Russian? Besides the German part.

Basically, yes. Our ancestors are Don Cossacks. How did you determine that?)

[Ugo]

Here are my wife's Dodecad K12b results. She is a purebred Russian from the center. I don’t understand where Leto came up with these sky-high figures of 8-13% for Russians.

Population
Gedrosia 5.62 Pct
Siberian 2.59 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 21.37 Pct
North_European 57.99 Pct
South_Asian 0.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.25 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 9.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan

[Leto]

Here are my wife's Dodecad K12b results. She is a purebred Russian from the center. I don’t understand where Leto came up with these sky-high figures of 8-13% for Russians.

Population
Gedrosia 5.62 Pct
Siberian 2.59 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 21.37 Pct
North_European 57.99 Pct
South_Asian 0.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.25 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 9.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan

Thanks for sharing man. Your wifey is very pure, great choice of yours.
And regarding the Mongoloid I swear I didn't take that out of thin air, Russians from the Urals do score like that, must be Northern Russian settlers plus some local Komi-Permyak substrate. I've seen like a dozen of such individuals.

[Leto]

Basically, yes. Our ancestors are Don Cossacks. How did you determine that?)

Because you said you were low in EHG.

[Kess]

Couldn't they be Pechenegs instead of Cumans and what is your thoughts on the Medieval Ploiești sample ?

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.2355% / 0.03235486
50.2 Anatolian
16.8 Georgian
10.0 Cuman
10.0 Magyar
9.2 Bulgar
3.6 Ugric
0.2 Noise

Bro can you share the codes?

[Repent]

Here are the coordinates from this thread except some personal ones of one user and noise coordinates:

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Cuman,0.0715497,-0.1914873,0.0559366,0.0075644,-0.0412843,-0.0126619,0.0103699,0.0099816,-0.0065738,-0.0011669,-0.0110278,0.0012518,-0.0064357,-0.002615,0.0106448,-0.0048602,-0.0076278,0.0016897,0.0034098,0.005972,0.0030049,-0.0047128,-0.0054303,-0.0065954,0.0032054
Ugric,0.0870747,-0.1652267,0.1100061,0.0617576,-0.0731829,-0.021084,0.0080607,0.0149301,0.001043,-0.0346065,0.0506652,-0.0041213,0.0211841,-0.0705318,-0.0246334,-0.0127417,-0.0009257,-0.0004433,-0.0067247,-0.012781,-0.0024956,0.0233827,0.0150733,-0.0027112,-0.0073646
Bulgar,0.0901031,-0.0761796,0.0473007,0.0256367,-0.0378287,-0.0032599,0.0034884,0.0032268,-0.0141765,-0.0164131,-0.0050452,0.0006254,-0.001584,-0.0174378,0.0085131,0.0006616,-0.0033171,-0.0000665,0.0006416,0.0047729,-0.0097415,0.0001463,-0.0033737,0.0013826,-0.0013235
Noise,-12.44767532,6.606885849,-3.370168948,-3.59812985,1.655142075,1.236853519,3.820298164,-3.594007426,-4.330119514,3.367918549,-5.172234764,-3.658708808,-3.318003413,3.305118191,4.047354142,-3.627204234,-1.292250731,-0.797743268,1.232937853,-1.303518489,-0.973408148,-0.101017336,-2.870551705,-0.3191362,2.155097955
Magyar,0.087833317,-0.142920312,0.094298335,0.052709278,-0.064326637,-0.016619045,0.006915334,0.011998412,-0.0027695,-0.030049035,0.036709689,-0.002932247,0.015480668,-0.0572317,-0.016330169,-0.00938416,-0.001524748,-0.000348911,-0.004879435,-0.00838373,-0.004310705,0.017561959,0.010452308,-0.001685699,-0.005851299
Early_Bulgar,0.0844921,-0.1165335,0.0589304,0.0493156,-0.0437049,-0.0001119,0.0003026,0.0072331,-0.0024851,-0.0212453,0.0026067,-0.0059204,0.0094303,-0.01682,0.0143982,0.0235416,0.0003504,-0.0006366,-0.0035192,0.0017572,-0.0030738,0.0071264,0.0058148,-0.0051215,-0.0024396
Balkan,0.125205,0.148267,0.018102,-0.028101,0.029236,-0.016176,0.00141,-0.003231,0.008999,0.03262,0.005846,0.005095,-0.017691,-0.007844,-0.027551,0.003978,0.027772,0.005448,0.008547,-0.004877,-0.015473,0.004204,0.003328,0.006025,-0.00012
Slavic:1,0.130771,0.1310554,0.0801574,0.0800759,0. 0412042,0.0269958,0.0086038,0.0131371,0.0021263,-0.0262209,-0.0027388,-0.0070118,0.0137546,0.0172405,-0.00994,0.0138528,0.0157579,-0.0020861,-0.0008607,0.0096484,-0.002957,-0.0038654,0.0058833,-0.0087322,0.0024824
Bulgar,0.0821894,-0.1176438,0.0666646,0.0449142,-0.0437611,-0.0043067,0.0025089,0.0057826,-0.0033294,-0.0212896,0.0102448,-0.003997,0.007036,-0.015112,0.0137359,0.016648,0.0001025,-0.0004505,-0.0026122,0.0036311,-0.0020258,0.0033915,0.0039346,-0.0001576,-0.0014664
Slavic:2,0.1352497,0.1232754,0.0776057,0.0706253,0 .0405151,0.0254274,0.0121779,0.0147614,-0.004457,-0.02792,-0.002609,-0.0115698,0.0222445,0.0263872,-0.0143546,-0.0001896,0.0064087,-0.0003677,0.0043893,0.002762,-0.0046831,-0.0059803,0.0081327,-0.0067845,0.000193

ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T1__AD_650,0.113823,0.14 8267,0.023004,0.000969,0.039084,-0.002231,0.001175,0.009923,0.012885,0.011116,-0.000974,0.008692,-0.010109,-0.009083,0.00285,0.011668,0.018515,0.003167,0.0007 54,0.000875,0.005366,-0.001237,0.001972,0.009158,-0.0097
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T2__AD_650,0.121791,0.14 6236,0.038089,0.002907,0.040315,0.003904,-0.00846,-0.002077,0.018407,0.025695,0.002436,0.010041,-0.017393,-0.011698,0.005022,0.018165,0.017471,-0.006588,0.006034,-0.004877,0.00262,-0.003957,-0.003328,0.005543,-0.001557
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T6__AD_650,0.119514,0.15 2329,0.036958,-0.010982,0.035391,0.010598,-0.00423,-0.003,0.005727,0.03098,-0.006171,0.002398,-0.016204,-0.000688,0.008279,-0.013922,-0.014994,0.004181,-0.001508,-0.006878,-0.006489,0.005317,-0.002465,0.001928,0.002275
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T7A__AD_650,0.113823,0.1 50298,0.015839,-0.002907,0.031083,0.001116,-0.00611,-0.003,0.015544,0.021868,-0.001786,0.003747,-0.013379,-0.001376,0.00855,-0.002254,0.000652,-0.000253,-0.001634,0.002251,0.005366,-0.000989,0.003204,-0.003133,0.002515
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T8_rid__AD_650,0.1161,0. 139128,0.026398,-0.003876,0.032929,-0.006693,-0.00282,-0.006461,0.005931,0.028976,-0.001461,0.003147,-0.01888,-0.018166,0.002986,0.015778,0.018645,-0.000507,0.011313,0.001876,0.000374,0.004575,-0.001972,-0.006266,0.00467
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T10__AD_650,0.117238,0.1 46236,0.02753,-0.022933,0.032929,-0.003347,0.001645,-0.003923,0.005522,0.032074,-0.00747,0.01124,-0.013528,-0.008395,-0.002579,0.016043,0.014342,0.002407,0.004651,-0.009129,0.000749,0.007914,-0.001602,0.005061,0.007185
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T11__AD_650,0.1161,0.143 19,0.035072,-0.013889,0.040315,0.004741,0.001175,0.006461,0.017 589,0.025149,-0.00682,-0.001798,-0.012636,-0.007156,0.004072,0.006232,0.000913,0.004054,-0.000126,0.00025,0.006738,-0.004699,-0.008134,-0.005784,0.005868
ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T12__AD_650,0.114961,0.1 40143,0.02225,-0.006137,0.029544,-0.002789,0.000705,0.002308,0.009204,0.015126,0.003 897,0.016635,-0.014569,-0.004542,-0.00475,-0.000133,0.009388,-0.007095,0.00352,0.002001,-0.000125,0.014838,0.002465,0.001687,-0.001317
ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T1US6__AD_550,0.100164,0.146 236,0.019987,-0.022933,0.023389,-0.013108,-0.00564,0.002769,0.013294,0.034807,0.000162,0.0068 94,-0.009514,-0.006744,0.005022,-0.003447,-0.018515,0.007348,-0.003017,-0.015382,-0.01123,0.001978,0.00037,0.001446,0.011137
ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T2US16__AD_550,0.111547,0.14 319,0.037712,0.013243,0.028313,0.003068,-0.00517,0.004154,0.014726,0.019135,-0.005684,-0.005395,-0.011298,-0.010459,-0.006107,0.009679,-0.001825,0.012035,0.00352,0.00075,-0.007612,0.006677,0,-0.004699,-0.004191
ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T10US67_ind1__AD_550,0.11837 6,0.138112,0.046386,0.020349,0.028928,0.00502,0.00 7755,0.006231,0.006136,-0.002916,-0.005196,0.007194,-0.003865,0.000963,0.009908,-0.008353,-0.008214,0.007475,0.017472,0.001751,0.007986,0.001 978,-0.002588,0.008555,-0.00479
ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T10US67_ind2__AD_550,0.12065 2,0.136081,0.035826,0.008398,0.031698,0.003904,-0.00141,0.002077,0.00409,0.020593,-0.006983,0.005695,-0.009366,-0.00523,0.00095,0.00053,-0.002999,-0.000507,-0.00088,0.001501,0.007237,0.007543,0.003204,-0.004699,-0.002994
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I separated 2 Slavic samples, I do not know their origins / territory. They had the same name before.


My Distance:

Distance to: Repent:RealG25_scaled
0.04498614 Slavic:2
0.06122821 Slavic:1
0.07011001 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T10US67_ind1__AD_550
0.08261960 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T10US67_ind2__AD_550
0.08818523 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T2US16__AD_550
0.09922035 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T1__AD_650
0.09951931 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T12__AD_650
0.10354777 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T11__AD_650
0.10508530 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T2__AD_650
0.10612236 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T7A__AD_650
0.10625915 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T6__AD_650
0.10895994 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T90US339__AD_550
0.11097744 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T8_rid__AD_650
0.11639501 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T10__AD_650
0.12582511 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T1US6__AD_550
0.12672019 Balkan
0.12749978 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T37US60__AD_550
0.12878449 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T38US344__AD_550
0.21300253 Bulgar
0.25147966 Early_Bulgar
0.25266631 Bulgar
0.29334301 Magyar
0.29823318 HUN_Conqueror_elite:K261
0.32366734 Cuman
0.32526692 Ugric


My results with North Italian coordinates:

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.0303% / 0.02030277
71.4 Slavic:2
9.6 ITA_Torino_EMA:To_Lav_T90US339__AD_550
8.8 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA:Bard_T6__AD_650
5.6 HUN_Conqueror_elite:K13286
4.6 Balkan

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.0639% / 0.02063860
71.2 Slavic
10.6 ITA_Torino_EMA
7.4 ITA_Bardonecchia_EMA
5.4 Balkan
5.0 HUN_Conqueror_elite
0.4 Ugric

Without North Italian coordinates:

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.2193% / 0.02219296
74.2 Slavic:2
19.8 Balkan
6.0 Cuman

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.2193% / 0.02219296
74.2 Slavic
19.8 Balkan
6.0 Cuman