My true ancestry.com

[Dick]

https://mytrueancestry.com/


Neat website. Some features you need to pay for but the upload is free.




https://i.imgur.com/xh8eJmY.png

https://i.imgur.com/qVPFKMd.png

https://i.imgur.com/8GrbotC.png

[North Sea]

Does it give autosomali redults ?

[Dick]

Does it give autosomali redults ?

what do you mean?

[North Sea]

what do you mean?

autosomal results

[HungryLion]

autosomal results

Upload raw data and I guess it should be fine..than they will show you how far or closse you are from anicent samples.

[North Sea]

Upload raw data and I guess it should be fine..than they will show you how far or closse you are from anicent samples.

I uploaded data though I am not sure if it was mine or some other ancient sample I once downloaded .

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/RFCZDbxT/Capture4.png

https://i.postimg.cc/fT1kRKYw/Capture.png

https://i.postimg.cc/JhLnbzTv/Capture2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/MpRHMQY1/Capture3.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/5e/5d/4e5e5da8a74a7feba778e00ba2d78f85.jpg

Ye Wuz' :rolleyes:

[Not a Cop]

https://i.imgur.com/Fj8Kxus.png


We wuz Rurik n' shit.

[celticdragongod]

86494

Celt + Frank (4.111)
Celt (4.285)
Celt + Longobard (4.3)
Longobard (6.483)
Frank (7.314)

The ancient Celts were various population groups and tribes living in mainland Europe from the Late Bronze Age onwards. Tribes included the Gauls, Helvetii, Scordisci, Serdi, Boli and Iceni among others. Wherever Celts settled, they spoke the same language and maintained the same artistic traditions. Celtic warriors were known for long hair and imposing physique. By serving as mercenaries for Carthage against Rome, the Celts gained a reputation for being fierce warriors and skilled horsemen who fielded chariots into battle. Celts used musical instruments called carnyces which were used to frighten the enemy before combat. Greek art depicts their distinctive long shields and long swords. Among insular Celts, women could take a warrior role - Boudica was the queen of the Iceni tribe who formed a rebellion against Roman occupation of Britain.
Celtic art can combine geometric decoration with figurative subjects in a extremely stylised manner.

The Longobards (Winnili) were a pre-Viking era Scandinavian tribe who migrated south towards Germania. Upon reaching Germania, the Winnili ran into conflict with the powerful Germanic Vandals. Both sides appealed to their chief god Odin for victory. To achieve victory against the more numerous Vandals, the godess Freia told the Winnili women to tie their hair to look like beards. Odin saw them standing in the field and asked who are these long beard warriors? After their victory the Winnili were called the Longbeards which in time renamed to Longobards/Lombards. Not finding adequate food resources, they ventured into Pannonia in modern day Hungary. There the Longobards allied with the Avars to defeat the Gepids, but all the spoils went to the Avars. As a result, the Longobards under King Alboin left the region and relocated into northern Italy where the land was ripe and by then the Longobards had a fierce reputation. The Byzantine Empire had spent vast amounts of money defeating the Ostrogoths and now had the Longobards to deal with. Eventually the Longobard Kingdom of Italy was split between two rulers, one at Milan and the other at Pavia. Weakened by internal fighting, Charlemagne of the Franks seized the lands of the Longobards and absorbed it into the kingdom of the Franks. However, some territories survived under Lombard dukes.

Francia, also known as the Kingdom of the Franks was the largest post-Roman barbarian kingdom in Western Europe. It is the predecessor of the modern states of France and Germany. Francia was among the last surviving Germanic kingdoms from the Migration Period era before its partition in 843. The core Frankish territories inside the former Western Roman Empire were close to the Rhine and Maas rivers in the north. After a period where small kingdoms inter-acted with the remaining Gallo-Roman institutions to their south, a single kingdom uniting them was founded by Clovis I who was crowned King of the Franks in 496. The geography of the Frankish realm varied over time, but a basic split between eastern and western domains persisted. The eastern kingdom Austrasia centered on the Rhine and Meuese and epxanded eastwards into central Europe. The western kingdom Neustria was founded in Northern Roman Gaul. In Germany there are prominent places nameed after the Franks such as the region of Franconia (Frankfurt) and Frankenstein Castle.

[Cumansky]

If I send raw data file can you do it?

[Rgvgjhvv]

http://i63.tinypic.com/2upfz7s.jpg

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.586)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (9.327)
Hellenic Roman (11.69)
Roman (12.37)
Ancient Greek (14.56)

1. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (11.69)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.12)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.37)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.39)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.47)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.47)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.61)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.8)
9. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (14.25)

1. Central_Greek (4.402)
2. Greek_Crete (6.335)
3. Greek (6.353)
4. East_Sicilian (6.356)

[Dna8]

This is very cool.

Cannot wait to get tested.

[Mortimer]

Wow that is incredibly awesome. Im uploading right now. I will post my results when I have them.

[Rædwald]

This is an interesting tool, I'm curious to see more results posted here.

[Rgvgjhvv]

http://i63.tinypic.com/2upfz7s.jpg

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.586)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (9.327)
Hellenic Roman (11.69)
Roman (12.37)
Ancient Greek (14.56)

1. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (11.69)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.12)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.37)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.39)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.47)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.47)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.61)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.8)
9. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (14.25)

1. Central_Greek (4.402)
2. Greek_Crete (6.335)
3. Greek (6.353)
4. East_Sicilian (6.356)

Okay...

I got too excited.

Upgrade results:

1. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (11.69)
2. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (12.12)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.37)
4. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (12.39)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.47)
6. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.47)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.61)
8. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (13.8)
9. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (14.25)
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.56)
11. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.29)
12. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.39)
13. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (16.41)
14. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (17.08)
15. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (17.65)
16. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (17.83)
17. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (18.97)
18. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (19.69)
19. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (20.31)
20. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.15)

1. Central_Greek (4.402)
2. Greek_Crete (6.335)
3. Greek (6.353)
4. East_Sicilian (6.356)
5. South_Italian (6.541)
6. Greek_Islands (6.921)
7. Italian_Abruzzo (7.477)
8. Ashkenazi (8.670)

In hindsight, probably not worth the upgrade. Pour one for me boyz.

[Rædwald]

I ran my 23andMe kit against it v5, left me a little more German shifted. Same populations though, as expected.

https://i.postimg.cc/NMp0TyjD/c.png

https://i.postimg.cc/gJYJnymr/d.png

https://i.postimg.cc/N0vLwqn6/a.png

https://i.postimg.cc/TPj1dN8Z/b.png

[Mortimer]

I upload but it takes so long. I dont know why.

[dosas]

Your closest ancient populations:

Hellenic Roman + Ostrogoth (7.843)
Ostrogoth + Hittite (10.12)
Ostrogoth (10.65)
Hellenic Roman (11.56)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches:

1. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (10.65)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.56)
3. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (11.89)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.13)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (15.08)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.36)
7. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (16.98)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.38)
9. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (19.69)

Map:

https://i.ibb.co/FJ3cm5g/ancient-matches-dosas.jpg

[Kaspias]

https://i.ibb.co/74LqwjV/IMG-20190408-074459.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/5BP0ZZv/SAVE-20190408-074435.jpg

[Rædwald]

I upload but it takes so long. I dont know why.

The uploader might be stuck, when I tried to upload my v3 data it got stuck I think it was because of the filesize.

[Mortimer]

The uploader might be stuck, when I tried to upload my v3 data it got stuck I think it was because of the filesize.

I tried different formats. Now I try from ftdna it is only 7.6MB but it still doesnt work.

[Rædwald]

I tried different formats. Now I try from ftdna it is only 7.6MB but it still doesnt work.

Strange, do you have any ad blocker or other extensions in your browser that might interfere with the uploader?

[Mortimer]

Strange, do you have any ad blocker or other extensions in your browser that might interfere with the uploader?

i use internext Explorer on Chrome i had adblocker but now not on Internet Explorer. i really dont know.

[Dna8]

https://i.imgur.com/cHRHHUg.jpg

[Vojnik]

Same issue here Mortimer. Loads for abit then just freezes.

[Mortimer]

Same issue here Mortimer. Loads for abit then just freezes.

I gave up. I will try tommorow again. Im sad because it really looks awesome.

[Dick]

I turned the wifi off on my phone and then the upload worked.

[Rædwald]

Maybe TA is pulling a DDoS on another genetic server :lol:

[Oneeye]

Mine loaded fine. It's currently processing

[Mingle]

Seems like they lack data for us non-Europeans as I expected. My map is completely blank. They used some academic samples for the modern populations oracle, and that's the only info they had.


1. Kalash (7.486)
2. Afghan_Pashtun (8.295)
3. Pathan (9.272)
4. Balochi (9.592)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Quite similar to my Eurogenes K15 oracle.

[Vojnik]

Mine loaded fine. It's currently processing

Which raw data and what format?

[Dick]

We wuz Rurik n' shit.

The Avar is probably the Avar-Szolad sample from Hungary which is fully Slavic since you got it too.

[Dick]

Which raw data and what format?

I used 23andme. mine is V4 chip

[Vojnik]

I used 23andme. mine is V4 chip

Mines v3. Maybe that's the problem.

[Oneeye]

Which raw data and what format?

V3 23andme. Zip

[Nazarene]

Mine won't load (ancestrydna)

[Oneeye]

https://i.ibb.co/yyr9ZGb/Screenshot-20190407-222820-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/6PkMTVf)
https://i.ibb.co/k3x10DD/Screenshot-20190407-222736-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/5Y6Fvjj)
https://i.ibb.co/ggvFKv3/Screenshot-20190407-222812-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/7ygNmgX)

[Dick]

try it on your cell phones but turn off the wifi if you're using it. that worked for me.

[Mingle]

It worked for me with my FTDNA.

[Oneeye]

BLOODY CELTS

[Mortimer]

try it on your cell phones but turn off the wifi if you're using it. that worked for me.

I dont have my raw data on my cellphone

[Vojnik]

Mine won't load (ancestrydna)


I think it is racist.

[Rædwald]

BLOODY CELTS

Come to the Celto-Germanic side, we have blondes, brunettes and redheads :rolleyes:

[Dick]

I dont have my raw data on my cellphone

email it to your phone from your laptop and then upload it from there.

[Oneeye]

Come to the Celto-Germanic side, we have blondes, brunettes and redheads :rolleyes:

Disregard my red mustache in my avatar pic. :p

[Turul Karom]

Some of this makes no sense. Can someone explain the logic?

How can someone be related to "Roman" or an "Ottoman"? These were empires that incorporated so, so many peoples and lasted several hundred years. What are their reference populations for ancient Romans and Ottomans? This is not how people test ancient population references... or am I missing something?

[Oneeye]

Some of this makes no sense. Can someone explain the logic?

How can someone be related to "Roman" or an "Ottoman"? These were empires that incorporated so, so many peoples and lasted several hundred years. What are their reference populations for ancient Romans and Ottomans? This is not how people test ancient population references... or am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing something. The ability to not take something too seriously

[Mortimer]

I did it with my cellphone. Now it is processing.

[Dick]

I did it with my cellphone. Now it is processing.

Good. Oneeye told me to hold your hand. I'd rather not

[Vojnik]

I did it with my cellphone. Now it is processing.

Same. On my phone. Processing also. But i tried it before, then refreshed the page. Then a message came up and said it failed. so giving it another shot.

[Dna8]

Same. On my phone. Processing also. But i tried it before, then refreshed the page. Then a message came up and said it failed. so giving it another shot.

thoughts and prayers, mate

[Vojnik]

thoughts and prayers, mate


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VScSEXRwUqQ

[Mortimer]

It is still proceesing. Im excited.

[talombo]

it says "Processing, Please check back in 5 minutes" but it's been 2 hours ...

[alnortedelsur]

According to this, I am mostly related to ancient Ilyrians, Romans and Gallo-Romans.

https://i.imgur.com/frvQQ5t.png

I don't get why Celt-Iberians are not on the top?? :confused3:

But then, this makes more sense (modern populations):

1. Spanish_Murcia (10.98)
2. North_Italian (11.00)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (11.02)
4. Portuguese (11.93)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

[Vojnik]

it says "Processing, Please check back in 5 minutes" but it's been 2 hours ...

Now click the little refresh icon next to the rubbish bin. Then tell me.

[Mortimer]

Still processing. I need to go now to help my mum with some stuff. I will check back later in some hours. Then I guess it should be processed.

[Mortimer]

Im a Greco-Roman. Sycthian(Slavic too)

https://i.postimg.cc/x1sDKWrv/Archaeogeneticsmatches.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/0NbgZcxL/Roman-Scythian.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/VvP3fwM8/Greek.jpg

[talombo]

https://i.imgur.com/JNxA3ou.jpg

[Pine]

https://i.imgur.com/JNxA3ou.jpg

Mine doesn't have any red dots - did you pay for it?

[talombo]

Mine doesn't have any red dots - did you pay for it?

No, what does the red dot mean ?

[firemonkey]

For me,I've tried zipped and unzipped,it partially uploads and then stops.

[Rocinante]

Your closest Ancient populations...

Roman + Thracian (7.609)
Roman + Illyrian (7.609)
Thracian (7.91)
Illyrian (7.91)
Roman (10.53)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.91)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (10.53)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.62)
7. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.13)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.28)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. North_Italian (8.419)
2. Spanish_Galicia (10.14)
3. Portuguese (10.63)
4. Tuscan (11.30)

Will need help from experts to understand this, doesn't make sense to me.

[Carpatz]

Very cool.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/564714657798160394/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/564715161634471946/kjhkhjk.jpg
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/564714544661004288/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/564714424364171264/unknown.png

[firemonkey]

Pile of crap . :mad:

[Kaspias]

Using Neolithic Farmers as Thracian and Illyrian.. I thought i can see this mentality only in TA.

[Vojnik]

Pile of crap . :mad:


Still not working for you? Some users have tried on their phones if you want to give that a crack. Didn't work for me though.

[oszkar07]

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. East_German (6.878)
2. Austrian (6.882)
3. Czech (7.321)
4. South_Dutch (10.51)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.848)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.274)
3. Western Pommerania Unetice (1860 BC) (9.274)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.444)
5. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (9.659)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.694)
7. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.844)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.01)
9. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (11.08)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.12)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.19)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.07)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.56)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.01)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.36)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.5)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.5)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.58)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.58)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.63)

https://i.imgur.com/T66KVCN.jpg

[Pubiczar]

I am a Vlach.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1.Vlach (976 AD) (6.678)

[firemonkey]

Latest response-
Hi Tim,

Our logs don‘t show your files reaching the server or the upload processing. Is there possibly a firewall issue - as you have tried various browsers. Alternatively if you send us your file we can load it from our end to your account.
How big are the files and what are the exact filenames? Perhaps there is some naming issue confusing the upload process?

[firemonkey]

Still not working for you? Some users have tried on their phones if you want to give that a crack. Didn't work for me though.

I don't have a working smartphone.

[dosas]

Wife's results:

Your closest Ancient populations:

Celt + Frank (2.119)
Longobard + Frank (2.61)
Longobard (4.979)
Frank (5.501)
Celt (7.26)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches:

1. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.979)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (5.501)
3. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (6.546)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.63)
5. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.086)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.26)
7. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.379)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.826)
9. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.856)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.939)

https://i.ibb.co/t3ZRNvb/ancient-matches-absta.jpg

[Pubiczar]

Ok, a bit more seriousness now...

https://i.postimg.cc/RhwVHjZC/2.png (https://postimg.cc/BPQ0W7FR)
https://i.postimg.cc/mkWTB8Nv/4.png (https://postimg.cc/JDxfQ3Fx)any gas station near me (https://gasstation-nearme.com/)
https://i.postimg.cc/J08C9tRm/3.png (https://postimg.cc/vg0KnY1S)
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGgwNpZ/1.png (https://postimg.cc/R3RprSTV)unique earthy boy names (https://treetop100babynames.com/exotic-baby-names-boys)

[firemonkey]

Due to the problems uploading I sent my file to them and got a free upgrade to 'footman'

86496



Celt + Saxon (4.179)
Longobard + Saxon (4.827)
Longobard (5.849)
Celt (6.12)
Saxon (6.77)



1. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.58)
2. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.716)
3. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.849)
4. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.12)
5. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (6.77)
6. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.794)
7. Pict (670 AD) (7.082)
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.105)
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.14)
10. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (7.147)
11. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.155)
12. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.526)
13. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.814)
14. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.025)
15. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.102)
16. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (8.116)
17. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (8.284)
18. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.293)
19. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.299)
20. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.307)



1. Irish (2.251)
2. West_Scottish (2.856)
3. Southeast_English (3.565)
4. Southwest_English (4.941)
5. Orcadian (5.314)
6. North_Dutch (5.541)
7. Danish (5.728)
8. North_German (7.324)

[Adam Janossy]

https://i.imgur.com/rkyx6rj.png


Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Hungarian (7.755)
2. Moldavian (10.23)
3. Slovenian (10.92)
4. Croatian (12.05)

[North Sea]

I upload but it takes so long. I dont know why.

Same here . I uploaded last night and still waiting ... :P

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://i.imgur.com/FpBdSj0.png

https://i.imgur.com/nKVdmnE.png

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (8.019)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.397)
3. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (9.621)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.35)
5. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (11.65)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.58)
7. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (12.61)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.63)
9. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (12.86)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Hungarian (4.485)
2. East_German (8.427)
3. Slovenian (8.797)
4. Austrian (8.881)

[North Sea]

Using Neolithic Farmers as Thracian and Illyrian.. I thought i can see this mentality only in TA.

It doesn't use farmers but Bronze Age samples and Iron Age AFAIK. Though they shouldn't be refered to 100% as Ilyrian orThracian either except for those Iron age Thracians maybe from 500 BC.

Ilyrian language was recorded first time around 500 BC AFAIK.

Anyway, this ain't working for me... Wonder if they alao used Vucedol sample. It should be really close... This beats gedmatch segment matching by far.

[HungryLion]

https://i.ibb.co/y5MhSZb/20190408-125109.jpg
Franks? Intresting...

https://i.ibb.co/f49fPPd/20190408-125200.jpg

Cut celts and kievan russ by mistake, anyway..
https://i.ibb.co/5jmStCZ/20190408-132121.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://i.ibb.co/y5MhSZb/20190408-125109.jpg
Franks? Intresting...

German stronk :D

[HungryLion]

German stronk :D

Yeah somehow :D
Cool result...I also score on card/map Celts,Kievan Rus and Ilyrian among the others usual like everyboody( leloo result is close to mine) but I cut half of that by mistake lol..so there is no pint to post it..

[CommonSense]

Bosniensis will love this :D

https://i.imgur.com/aQ7fcQD.png

[Lucas]

Doesn't work for me. I can't register

[CommonSense]

Modern populations:

https://i.imgur.com/zepm76I.png

[Bosniensis]

https://i.imgur.com/TBD2p5b.png


https://i.imgur.com/eTmCr8c.png


1. Bosnian (5.317)
2. Macedonian (6.095)
3. Romanian (6.461)
4. Bulgarian (7.521)


1. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (15.06)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.86) xD
3. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (16.1)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.44) xD
5. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (18.12)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.35) xD
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (19.4)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.74) xD
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (19.84)

[Dna8]

https://i.imgur.com/TBD2p5b.png


https://i.imgur.com/eTmCr8c.png


1. Bosnian (5.317)
2. Macedonian (6.095)
3. Romanian (6.461)
4. Bulgarian (7.521)


1. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (15.06)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.86) xD
3. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (16.1)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.44) xD
5. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (18.12)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.35) xD
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (19.4)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.74) xD
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (19.84)

Opa!

[HungryLion]

Bosniensis will love this :D

https://i.imgur.com/aQ7fcQD.png

Only I get the Franks lol..But it's quite anicent.
Seems cool ...We are all scythian and something :)

[Ayetooey]

Only I get the Franks lol..But it's quite anicent.
Seems cool ...We are all scythian and something :)

You get the same as me. Scythian Frank Gauls :p. Though the Franks is my British half in my case.

[Dna8]

quote

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?50755-Members-of-the-Apricity-How-Do-You-Imagine-Them&p=5938352&viewfull=1#post5938352

[Adam Janossy]

Stears results :)

Scythian + Gaul (6.408)
Scythian + Frank (7.855)
Scythian (8.709)
Gaul (12.73)
Frank (15.36)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Hungarian (5.465)
2. Moldavian (6.697)
3. Croatian (7.505)
4. Slovenian (7.790)

[North Sea]

Doesn't work for me. I can't register

Yeah, doesn't work for me either. Been waiting for the results for a century now... fuck it .. I was supposed to be done with these DNA tests anyway.. waste of money

[HungryLion]

You get the same as me. Scythian Frank Gauls :p. Though the Franks is my British half in my case.

In my case they are something from past ..Who knows.
Probably something ancient..My Y56203 went through there

[HungryLion]

You get the same as me. Scythian Frank Gauls :p. Though the Franks is my British half in my case.

We are almost the same on K15 to :D

[Adam Janossy]

Same here . I uploaded last night and still waiting ... :P

Don't upload concentrated raw data, just regular 37 from FTDNA. With concentrated it will not work.

[dosas]

Who the hell were the Ostrogoths and why am I matching them. Who are their modern descendants, so to speak?

[Adam Janossy]

Who the hell were the Ostrogoths and why am I matching them. Who are their modern descendants, so to speak?

It was culturally Ostorogth sample from Crimea who was genetically Greek.

[Pubiczar]

Who the hell were the Ostrogoths and why am I matching them. Who are their modern descendants, so to speak?

It was an Anatolian.
That's why you match him, while other Greeks like Markos are not so close to him.
I am more interested in who are these Central Romans 590 AD?
In which study I can find them?

[North Sea]

Don't upload concentrated raw data, just regular 37 from FTDNA. With concentrated it will not work.

That's too bad. I deleted my FTDNA and destroyed sample long time ago and most autosomal tests. I only have geneplaza data :P

[xripkan]

Who the hell were the Ostrogoths and why am I matching them. Who are their modern descendants, so to speak?

Your results say you match with Ostrogoths based on a sample of Greco-Anatolian origin. His kit is deleted now but I remember his K36 similarity map was close to Asia Minor and Greek Islands. He probably was an assimilated Greek from Crimea. In fact Ostrogoths were an eastern Germanic tribe who invaded Balkans and then settled Italy. So their genetic autosomal analysis is expected much different than this sample.

[Adam Janossy]

My mother

Scythian (9.368)
Scythian + Gaul (9.492)
Scythian + Longobard (10.05)
Gaul (15.41)
Longobard (17.17)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Hungarian (7.366)
2. Moldavian (9.355)
3. Slovenian (10.93)
4. Serbian (11.43)

Father

Scythian + Gaul (11.19)
Scythian + Avar (11.44)
Scythian (12.52)
Gaul (16.85)
Avar (17.69)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Hungarian (8.121)
2. Moldavian (10.23)
3. Slovenian (10.62)
4. Croatian (12.11)

[HungryLion]

It was an Anatolian.
That's why you match him, while other Greeks like Markos are not so close to him.
I am more interested in who are these Central Romans 590 AD?
In which study I can find them?

your results look like the original representative of Byzantium...

[El_Abominacion]

https://i.gyazo.com/87f26d186ef40216538a61f9f2ab8be0.png

No ancient matches

https://i.gyazo.com/a652a0aebc33a9bd72ca9a724fdd611a.png

:picard1:

[paradox]

It works! My dad who has Vlach ancestry got these resultshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/b34e433f50593e968f757171a15ea58a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/e3299abaf743e6e9b9001ea15bebcf15.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/d0a0f925253fd4f96e95fe9a7073d931.jpg

[Pubiczar]

your results look like the original representative of Byzantium...

Not really, my results are not Greek like, but Balkan like or more specifically, Balkan-Roman, matching more closely Balkan-Roman samples from the Northern Balkans!

[Mortimer]

https://i.gyazo.com/87f26d186ef40216538a61f9f2ab8be0.png

No ancient matches

https://i.gyazo.com/a652a0aebc33a9bd72ca9a724fdd611a.png

:picard1:

You can pass for gypsies your mouth and eyes are atypical but you pass

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://i.gyazo.com/87f26d186ef40216538a61f9f2ab8be0.png

No ancient matches

https://i.gyazo.com/a652a0aebc33a9bd72ca9a724fdd611a.png

:picard1:

lmao xD

[dududud]

It does not work, my raw data 23andme (in zip or text) do not want to load

[Lemgrant]

It does not work, my raw data 23andme (in zip or text) do not want to load
Yes. Now it works only when uploading from android smartphone

[HungryLion]

Lord, my ancestors from all sides were barbarians/savages, warriors.:lol:
What a combination :lol:

[HungryLion]

Yes. Now it works only when uploading from android smartphone

I just got my result uploding from Pc :)

[Lemgrant]

I just got my result uploding from Pc :)

For me it worked only when I uploaded it from smartphone (a few hours ago)

[Bosniensis]

Since most of Serbs, Bosnians got Scythian + Roman it's obvious how Western Balkans evolved in Ancient Times, now we know
why Preatorian Prefecture of Illyricum was divided into two cultural regions: Illyria Proper and Illyria Barbaria (Bosnia, Serbia) because
it was inhabited by Scythians and Romans (Illyrians and Thracians), as much as we go southern or eastern towards Bulgaria, the more Romans
you encounter.

Illyria Barbaria (cultural Roman specification) not political or territorial:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Illyrians_%28English%29.svg/800px-Illyrians_%28English%29.svg.png



This doesn't mean that We Western Balkan people are some kind of Barbarians, but rather that we mixed with Scythians even in ancient time
as much as we did with Romans which is understandable if we take into consideration that Illyrians were very rebellious against the Rome and
who were looking allies among the Scythians and similar people.

Scythian + Roman (8.805)
Scythian + Gaul (13.18)
Scythian (15.06)
Gaul (17.44)
Roman (19.4)

[noricum]

https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am1_zpsavfyzhnm.jpg (https://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am1_zpsavfyzhnm.jpg.html)
https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am2_zpsupltf05w.jpg (http://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am2_zpsupltf05w.jpg.html)
https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am3_zpsxnakjhq5.jpg (http://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am3_zpsxnakjhq5.jpg.html)
https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am4_zps74o51qck.jpg (http://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am4_zps74o51qck.jpg.html)

[paradox]

Is your dad's ancestry Romanian or Aromanian?He's a "Helenised Vlach". He was born in Greece and it seems his ancestors chose to stick with their own people. I don't know what to call my father. Greece wouldn't allow them to identify as Vlachs so they became "Greeks". Its a very sad situation and this has affected my father greatly. Vlachs are not genetically Greek, this is just bullshit Greek propaganda. To answer your question, I really dont know where my ancestors originally came from. I just know they are Vlachs.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is my result. It does line up with my usual affinities.

http://i66.tinypic.com/34dn7yr.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/16h87xf.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/118dq47.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/a0dl47.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2arxtx.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/zmf9z8.jpg

I'v just upgraded to footman but I wouldn't advise it unless you're stupid like me because the only extra appears to be this list.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2dl1ty.jpg

[HungryLion]

https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am1_zpsavfyzhnm.jpg (https://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am1_zpsavfyzhnm.jpg.html)
https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am2_zpsupltf05w.jpg (http://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am2_zpsupltf05w.jpg.html)
https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am3_zpsxnakjhq5.jpg (http://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am3_zpsxnakjhq5.jpg.html)
https://oi650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/am4_zps74o51qck.jpg (http://s650.photobucket.com/user/roapazeinli/media/am4_zps74o51qck.jpg.html)

German-Slavic combination :)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

--

Imbecile, most of Serbia was not Illyrian land and this map shows that.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He's a "Helenised Vlach". He was born in Greece and it seems his ancestors chose to stick with their own people. I don't know what to call my father. Greece wouldn't allow them to identify as Vlachs so they became "Greeks". Its a very sad situation and this has affected my father greatly. Vlachs are not genetically Greek, this is just bullshit Greek propaganda. To answer your question, I really dont know where my ancestors originally came from. I just know they are Vlachs.

He's typical East Balkan, not much Greek there.

[firemonkey]

My father.


Celt + Longobard (3.708)
Longobard + Saxon (4.271)
Longobard (5.744)
Celt (6.659)
Saxon (7.491)


1. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.744)
2. Pict (670 AD) (5.745)
3. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.782)
4. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.007)
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.465)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.659)
7. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.278)
8. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.398)
9. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.474)
10. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.491)
11. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.653)
12. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.69)
13. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.762)
14. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (7.849)
15. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.898)
16. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.981)
17. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.141)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.776)
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.806)
20. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.947)



1. Southeast_English (3.353)
2. Southwest_English (3.452)
3. Irish (3.477)
4. West_Scottish (4.178)
5. North_Dutch (4.994)
6. Orcadian (5.009)
7. Danish (6.115)
8. North_German (6.944)

[Bosniensis]

Like HungryLion said, western balkan, a combination of Avars, Gauls, Romans and Germans = A Combination from Hell.

And they ask us: Why are you all crazy?

[HungryLion]

Like HungryLion said, western balkan, a combination of Avars, Gauls, Romans and Germans = A Combination from Hell.

And they ask us: Why are you all crazy?

xDxD:devil666:

[Carpatz]

He's a "Helenised Vlach". He was born in Greece and it seems his ancestors chose to stick with their own people. I don't know what to call my father. Greece wouldn't allow them to identify as Vlachs so they became "Greeks". Its a very sad situation and this has affected my father greatly. Vlachs are not genetically Greek, this is just bullshit Greek propaganda. To answer your question, I really dont know where my ancestors originally came from. I just know they are Vlachs.

Interesting. He is more northern shifted than what I would expect a Vlach from Greece to be. His closest match here are Romanians.

[HungryLion]

Imbecile, most of Serbia was not Illyrian land and this map shows that.

About half of today Serbia..It does not mean much, given the communist crazy borders..Raška,Duklja,Travunija,Paganija,Zahumlje. .That what is important..

[dosas]

He's a "Helenised Vlach". He was born in Greece and it seems his ancestors chose to stick with their own people. I don't know what to call my father. Greece wouldn't allow them to identify as Vlachs so they became "Greeks". Its a very sad situation and this has affected my father greatly. Vlachs are not genetically Greek, this is just bullshit Greek propaganda. To answer your question, I really dont know where my ancestors originally came from. I just know they are Vlachs.

What various Vlachs, your dad included, are or they are not genetically is easily solved with a 50 dollar autosomal test. Don't pollute the thread with your butthurt and anti-Greek propaganda, thanks in advance.

[Bosniensis]

Those who dislike their results, don't need to worry cause they can still plan their "paleoxxxxx" identity.

In 3000 years if someone uncover their DNA, they will be called "paleoxxxx" people

You just have to die on a specific location you like the most.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

About half of today Serbia..It does not mean much, given the communist crazy borders..Raška,Duklja,Travunija,Paganija,Zahumlje. .That what is important..

Were not Serbia.

[Bosniensis]

Were not Serbia.

They were not Magyars as well.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

They were not Magyars as well.

wut ?

[HungryLion]

Were not Serbia.

inhabited by Serbs..

[Seya]

https://i.imgur.com/nHXxcKk.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

inhabited by Serbs..

Duklja and Travunija yes, Zahumlje and Paganija probably not.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Anyone wanna be the first to upgrade to premium map? :lol:

[Bosniensis]

Anyone wanna be the first to upgrade to premium map? :lol:

We have seen so many maps I doubt there is any value in it...

Even all of this we already knew.

[HungryLion]

Duklja and Travunija yes, Zahumlje and Paganija probably not.

Lol in all historical sources it is written that they are?
Zahumljani are almost confirmed as Y56203..

[Erronkari]

https://i.imgur.com/ZJdga8D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KzQomQ9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/czDMZH2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qlQB1dR.jpg

[xripkan]

He's a "Helenised Vlach". He was born in Greece and it seems his ancestors chose to stick with their own people. I don't know what to call my father. Greece wouldn't allow them to identify as Vlachs so they became "Greeks". Its a very sad situation and this has affected my father greatly. Vlachs are not genetically Greek, this is just bullshit Greek propaganda. To answer your question, I really dont know where my ancestors originally came from. I just know they are Vlachs.

Do you know your haplogroup?

[Carpatz]

What various Vlachs, your dad included, are or they are not genetically is easily solved with a 50 dollar autosomal test. Don't pollute the thread with your butthurt and anti-Greek propaganda, thanks in advance.

Maybe Greece should stop acting like an insecure third world nation and give them some minority rights.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lol in all historical sources it is written that they are?
Zahumljani are almost confirmed as Y56203..

Dude, you are speaking about DAI and this is not primarly source besised it mentiones many unpleasant things about Serbs - slave origin of their ethnonym, lands emptied by Bulgarians etc.
Paganija was inhabited by Neretljani, separate South Slavic tribe.

I am quite tried of you claims of Croatian Lands. You have Serbia , stick to that. Interesting how I don't see such agressive Bulgarian claims on Serbian lands and they have lot of material for that.
They are just more civilised I guess.

[Pribislav]

Imbecile, most of Serbia was not Illyrian land and this map shows that.

Most of Serbs in present day Serbia originated from Dinaric region few centuries in the past. 300 years ago central and western Serbia were almost empty.
Only Shopi (Torlaks) from southeastern Serbia and few enclaves in other parts of Serbia are there since middle age.

[Rgvgjhvv]

We have seen so many maps I doubt there is any value in it...

Even all of this we already knew.

Migration paths!!!!!!!!

[Luke35]

Nothing remarkable here:
https://i.imgur.com/DsbZGZN.png

[Bosniensis]

Most of Serbs in present day Serbia originated from Dinaric region few centuries in the past. 300 years ago central and western Serbia were almost empty.
Only Shopi (Torlaks) from southeastern Serbia and few enclaves in other parts of Serbia are there since middle age.

Real Serbs (R1a) constitute only 20% of Serbian population, in fact Serbs assimilated majority of Orthodox Vlachs.

The only reason why Serbs are BIG today is because Vlachs declare as Serbs and not Croats.

Similar phenomenon happened in Turkey.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Maybe it's worth contacting this website, to see if they have GEDmatch kit #'s to all of these Ancient population groups they're using as reference. It would be awesome if we could compare them 1v1

[dududud]

Blocked
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320xq90/r/921/n02GQl.png

[HungryLion]

Dude, you are speaking about DAI and this is not primarly source besised it mentiones many unpleasant things about Serbs - slave origin of their ethnonym, lands emptied by Bulgarians etc.
Paganija was inhabited by Neretljani, separate South Slavic tribe.

I am quite tried of you claims of Croatian Lands. You have Serbia , stick to that. Interesting how I don't see such agressive Bukgarian claims on Serbian lands and they have lot of material for that.
They are just more civilised I guess.

Croatian lands? Lol..
Franks not even mention Croats..but okay.
It looks like you're taking a historical source just to suit you...

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Most of Serbs in present day Serbia originated from Dinaric region few centuries in the past. 300 years ago central and western Serbia were almost empty.
Only Shopi (Torlaks) from southeastern Serbia and few enclaves in other parts of Serbia are there since middle age.

Serbia was emptied of population several times in history.

[Pribislav]

Real Serbs (R1a) constitute only 20% of Serbian population, in fact Serbs assimilated majority of Orthodox Vlachs.

The only reason why Serbs are BIG today is because Vlachs declare as Serbs and not Croats.

Similar phenomenon happened in Turkey.

Proto-Serbs were I2-PH908, R1a and probably some other haplogroups in small %.

[paradox]

What various Vlachs, your dad included, are or they are not genetically is easily solved with a 50 dollar autosomal test. Don't pollute the thread with your butthurt and anti-Greek propaganda, thanks in advance.Ahem, my father has done an autosomal test but it cost over $100. Let's see how gedmatch interprets his data. Eg. Eurogenes k13 he gets Romanian first @ 2.83 [emoji23]

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Croatian lands? Lol..
Franks not even mention Croats..but okay.
It looks like you're taking a historical source just to suit you...

Yes, Croatia doesn't exist, Serbia until Tokyo. Don't complain about genocide than, few nations suffered such agression towards their lands, history and identity as we did under your short rule.
And looks like nothing changed, you're still fanatical as always even after recent slap across the face.

Dude, it is time to learn the lesson. Serb expansionism will lead to more victims of your people. You had enough, calm down.

[Pribislav]

Serbia was emptied of population several times in history.

Yes, same happened imn Slavonia, Dalmatia and Lika. Northwestern Croatia have full population which is there since middle age, as Torlaks in Serbia.
Zagorians and Međimurci are different from other Croatians in same level as Torlaks than other Serbs maybe even more.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Proto-Serbs were I2-PH908, R1a and probably some other haplogroups in small %.

Your wishful thinking won't make it reality. They had type of R1a modern Sorbs have and parhaps some DinN, I1. That's about it.

[dosas]

Ahem, my father has done an autosomal test but it cost over $100. Let's see how gedmatch interprets his data. Eg. Eurogenes k13 he gets Romanian first @ 2.83 [emoji23]

Good thing for your dad is that he can relocate to his homeland of Romania so easily, since both countries are in the EU, where he can reunite with his people, instead of lamenting his butthurt over the intrawebz via a representative.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yes, same happened imn Slavonia, Dalmatia and Lika. Northwestern Croatia have full population which is there since middle age, as Torlaks in Serbia.
Zagorians and Međimurci are different from other Croatians in same level as Torlaks than other Serbs maybe even more.

That is because we North Croats have Panonnian Slav and Hallstat Celtic origin. But we have been incorporated with southern (White) Croats and Illyrians since 925, and that's quite long time.

[Bosniensis]

Proto-Serbs were I2-PH908, R1a and probably some other haplogroups in small %.

There is no such thing as Proto-Serbs, Serbs were created around 1000 A.D. when Scythian Slavic ruler Stefan Vojislav removed Roman governor of Singidunum (Belgrade) Theophilos Erotikos.

First Serbian King who assimilated Romans (Vlachs) is called King Mihajlo Vojisavljević who became King 1050 A.D.

All others before him were Princes who ruled as Archons along with Romans as direct Vassals to Roman Governors.

From 1050 - 1900+ there was a process called: Slavicization of the Romans on Balkans.

There was no particular issues since Both Serbs and Vlachs were loyal to Roman Empire after Schism and Roman Religion later known as Orthodox Christianity.

That's why we see Serbs as Vlachs.

Do you know that even Romans called themselves Vlachs on Balkans?

Blachernae (Greek: Βλαχέρναι) was a suburb in the northwestern section of Constantinople, the capital city of the Byzantine Empire. It is the site of a water source and a number of prominent churches were built there, most notably the great Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (Panagia Blacherniotissa).

The Romanian philologist Ilie Gherghel, wrote a study about Blachernae and concluded that it possibly derived from the name of a Vlach (sometimes written as Blach or Blasi), who came to Constantinople from the lower Danube, a region named today Dobruja.[2] Gherghel compared data from old historians like Genesios and from the Greek lexicon Suidas and mentioned the existence of a small colony of Vlachs in the area of today Blachernae. Similar opinions were sustained by Lisseanu[3]. The name Blachernae appeared in a work of Theophanes Confessor in connection with a revolt of Flavius Vitalianus against Anastasius Emperor in 513

So NO.

Serbs are More Vlachs than they are Western Slavic Serbian People how they identify.

[Ayetooey]

Your wishful thinking won't make it reality. They had type of R1a modern Sorbs have and parhaps some DinN, I1. That's about it.

Sorbs obviously have nothing to do with Serbs. Their clade of R1a doesn't even match Serbs and I2a is non existant in them. Sorbs have as much to do with Serbs as Caucasus Albania has to do with Albanians.

There's no consensus on the Serb Ethnonym but the Serboi Sarmatian theory is more likely.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Sorbs obviously have nothing to do with Serbs. Their clade of R1a doesn't even match Serbs and I2a is non existant in them. Sorbs have as much to do with Serbs as Caucasus Albania has to do with Albanians.

There's no consensus on Serb ethnology but the Serboi Sarmatian theory is more likely.

Wrong. R1a M458 exist in Serbs, Tesla had it. It is true however you have not much genetic continuity with them.

It isn't disputed White Serbs came from East Germany where Dervan's Serbia was located, whoever denies that has agenda. And that Sorbs (Lužički Srbi) are their descendants.

So look at proto-Serb genetics among them.

[Carpatz]

Good thing for your dad is that he can relocate to his homeland of Romania so easily, since both countries are in the EU, where he can reunite with his people, instead of lamenting his butthurt over the intrawebz via a representative.

Aren't you an Anatolian? Vlachs are more native to Macedonia than you are.

[Pribislav]

There is no such thing as Proto-Serbs, Serbs were created around 1000 A.D. when Scythian Slavic ruler Stefan Vojislav removed Roman governor of Singidunum (Belgrade) Theophilos Erotikos.

First Serbian King who assimilated Romans (Vlachs) is called King Mihajlo Vojisavljević who became King 1050 A.D.

All others before him were Princes who ruled as Archons along with Romans as direct Vassals to Roman Governors.

From 1050 - 1900+ there was a process called: Slavicization of the Romans on Balkans.

There was no particular issues since Both Serbs and Vlachs were loyal to Roman Empire after Schism and Roman Religion later known as Orthodox Christianity.

That's why we see Serbs as Vlachs.

Do you know that even Romans called themselves Vlachs on Balkans?

Blachernae (Greek: Βλαχέρναι) was a suburb in the northwestern section of Constantinople, the capital city of the Byzantine Empire. It is the site of a water source and a number of prominent churches were built there, most notably the great Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (Panagia Blacherniotissa).

The Romanian philologist Ilie Gherghel, wrote a study about Blachernae and concluded that it possibly derived from the name of a Vlach (sometimes written as Blach or Blasi), who came to Constantinople from the lower Danube, a region named today Dobruja.[2] Gherghel compared data from old historians like Genesios and from the Greek lexicon Suidas and mentioned the existence of a small colony of Vlachs in the area of today Blachernae. Similar opinions were sustained by Lisseanu[3]. The name Blachernae appeared in a work of Theophanes Confessor in connection with a revolt of Flavius Vitalianus against Anastasius Emperor in 513

So NO.

Serbs are More Vlachs than they are Western Slavic Serbian People how they identify.

You are boring with your Vlachic propaganda.

Vlachs are not Romans, they are East Romance speakers. Vlachs were created as mix of many people which were present in Balkans in the last few thousands years including Slavs.

[dosas]

Aren't you an Anatolian, you sandnigger piece of shit? Vlachs are more native to Macedonia than you are.

Sorry, white knights are not graced with responses. Your ad homs are hysterical, though. Carry on, boy.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is my result. It does line up with my usual affinities.

http://i66.tinypic.com/34dn7yr.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/16h87xf.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/118dq47.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/a0dl47.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2arxtx.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/zmf9z8.jpg

I'v just upgraded to footman but I wouldn't advise it unless you're stupid like me because the only extra appears to be this list.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2dl1ty.jpg

It is interesting that my no 1 match is the Celtic/Viking from Iceland as my no 1 match on the G25 is also Iceland.

I didn't mean to do a second post but to add onto my original post. :picard2:

[Ayetooey]

Wrong. R1a M458 exist in Serbs, Tesla had it. It is true however you have not much genetic continuity with them.

It isn't disputed White Serbs came from East Germany where Dervan's Serbia was located, whoever denies that has agenda. And that Sorbs (Lužički Srbi) are their descendants.

So look at proto-Serb genetics among them.

R1a M458 is low in Serbs; the connection between Serbs and Sorbs isn't taught at any university in the world, it's an internet theory and about as reliable as the idea that Hrvat comes from Iranic tribes

"Common theories from the 20th century derive it from an Iranian origin,[8] the root word being a third-century Scytho-Sarmatian form attested in the Tanais Tablets as Χοροάθος (Khoroáthos, alternate forms comprise Khoróatos and Khoroúathos)"

Even if "proto Serbs" came from Sorbs, it's meaningless for two reasons. 1: We're assuming the modern day Sorbs are identical to proto Sorbs/Serbs 1500 years ago. 2: We're assuming they came in any great number; in the vast majority of historical sources only the "Sclaveni" are mentioned, any "proto Sorbs" likely only passed on the name to whatever Sclaveni they mixed with. Same with the Iranic Hrvats, the Magyars, the Bulgars etc.

[Bosniensis]

You are boring with your Vlachic propaganda.

Vlachs are not Romans, they are East Romance speakers. Vlachs were created as mix of many people which were present in Balkans in the last few thousands years including Slavs.

If All Serbs are Half Roman, Half Scythian like CommonSense, Me etc... from which haplogroup 100% Greek/Roman admixture came?

Or do you still believe that I2a1b and R1a were 100% Slavic (Scythian) then they mixed with Greeks/Romans later?

Don't be ridiculous.

Illyrians, Thracians live among us, in fact that's what WE are, we just speak Slavic tongue (which is mix of paleo-balkan + scythian language)

[talombo]

What's the difference between the blue dots and the red ones ?

[Gründig]

It is interesting that my no 1 match is the Celtic/Viking from Iceland as my no 1 match on the G25 is also Iceland.

How much was the upgrade?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Migration_of_serbs04_01.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png

Pribislav denies this widely accepted theory because main Serbian marker PH908 is unexistant among Sorbs, he tries to connect it to few lone families in Bohemia known as Nabsky Srbi :D xD
I asked for any peper speaking about this mysterious people but dude failed to show it. It's just a falsification because facts destroy idea DinS is proto-Serb marker.

[North Sea]

https://i.imgur.com/ZJdga8D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KzQomQ9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/czDMZH2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qlQB1dR.jpg

Real Thraco-Ilyrian :thumb001:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R1a M458 is low in Serbs; the connection between Serbs and Sorbs isn't taught at any university in the world, it's an internet theory and about as reliable as the idea that Hrvat comes from Iranic tribes

"Common theories from the 20th century derive it from an Iranian origin,[8] the root word being a third-century Scytho-Sarmatian form attested in the Tanais Tablets as Χοροάθος (Khoroáthos, alternate forms comprise Khoróatos and Khoroúathos)"

Even if "proto Serbs" came from Sorbs, it's meaningless for two reasons. 1: We're assuming the modern day Sorbs are identical to proto Sorbs/Serbs 1500 years ago. 2: We're assuming they came in any great number; in the vast majority of historical sources only the "Sclaveni" are mentioned, any "proto Sorbs" likely only passed on the name to whatever Sclaveni they mixed with. Same with the Iranic Hrvats, the Magyars, the Bulgars etc.

No it isn't even remotely similar as Iranic fantasies about Croats (or Serbs). It is widely accepted theory everywhere and your beloved DAI spoke exactly about it.
White Croats and White Serbs were historical tribes and there are numerous sources about them, toponyms and archeological findings. Only their homeland borders are disputable.

Their names could have Iranic root but at time of White Serbia/White Croatia they were clear Slavs.

[Bosniensis]

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Migration_of_serbs04_01.png[/ig]
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png[/ig]

Pribislav denies this widely accepted theory because main Serbian marker PH908 is unexistant among Sorbs, he tries to connect it to few lone families in Bohemia known as Nabsky Srbi :D xD
I asked for any peper speaking about this mysterious people but dude failed to show it. It's just a falsification because facts destroy idea DinS is proto-Serb marker.

That is true.

Serbs are so large only because Romans joined them because of Roman Religion and loyalty to Eastern Roman Empire.

Same happened to people of Turkey who are mix of Anatolians and Turks.

[Carpatz]

Sorry, white knights are not graced with responses. Your ad homs are hysterical, though. Carry on, boy.

You don't have a proper response to this, dunecoon. You're an immigrant telling the native to leave.

[Morena]

Here is what I got:


Thracian + Illyrian (9.238)
Illyrian (9.434)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (9.775)
Gallo-Roman (11.88)
Thracian (12.18)


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (9.434)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.21)
3. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (10.73)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.88)
5. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (12.01)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.18)
7. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.18)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.5)
9. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (12.99)



Closest modern population
1. Spanish_Extremadura (7.538)
2. Portuguese (7.625)
3. Spanish_Murcia (8.538)
4. Spanish_Galicia (8.939)

Seems legit.

[North Sea]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Migration_of_serbs04_01.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png

Pribislav denies this widely accepted theory because main Serbian marker PH908 is unexistant among Sorbs, he tries to connect it to few lone families in Bohemia known as Nabsky Srbi :D xD
I asked for any peper speaking about this mysterious people but dude failed to show it. It's just a falsification because facts destroy idea DinS is proto-Serb marker.

It isnt non existant AFAIK . I2a1b does exist among North Slavs , in some more than othets. It's high frequency in South Slavs has been explained to possibly be a bottleneck or founder effect. It's a coincidence that South Slavs aren't majority R1a basically.

[dosas]

You don't have a proper response to this, dunecoon. You're an immigrant telling the native to leave.

First of all, Aromanians are part of the Greek ethnogenesis and very patriotic. Not my fault her Romanian dad got stuck on the wrong side of the border after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Secondly, my Anatolian grandad crushed your little Slavic ancestor uprisings a couple of times. So to the victor go the spoils.

Lastly, I am not offended by my Near East admixture you OWD clown, I am proud of it. Now fuck off, like a good little boy that you are. You can still hope for a pity handjob, white knight loser.

[North Sea]

No it isn't even remotely similar as Iranic fantasies about Croats (or Serbs). It is widely accepted theory everywhere and your beloved DAI spoke exactly about it.
White Croats and White Serbs were historical tribes and there are numerous sources about them, toponyms and archeological findings. Only their homeland borders are disputable.

Their names could have Iranic root but at time of White Serbia/White Croatia they were clear Slavs.


The Iranian origin of Proto Serbs isn't a fantasy but a very plausible theory IMO. They made their way from the Caucasus as Indo Iranians and into central Europe where they got Slavicized and from there into the Balkans. Very plausible theory and possibly true.

[Bosniensis]

The Iranian origin of Proto Serbs isn't a fantasy but a very plausible theory IMO. They made their way from the Caucasus as Indo Iranians and into central Europe where they got Slavicized and from there into the Balkans. Very plausible theory and possibly true.

I2a1 Serbs came from Northern Italy through France->Germany->czech republic->southern poland->Romania->Serbia, that is very much confirmed migration theory of I2 people.

Your reply is so 2008.

[Pribislav]

Wrong. R1a M458 exist in Serbs, Tesla had it. It is true however you have not much genetic continuity with them.

It isn't disputed White Serbs came from East Germany where Dervan's Serbia was located, whoever denies that has agenda. And that Sorbs (Lužički Srbi) are their descendants.

So look at proto-Serb genetics among them.

Have you ever heard for Nabsky Srbove (Serbs)? They are Serbian leftovers in Czechia after 7th century assimilatted by Czechs in late middle age.

Descendant of Nabsky Srbove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tereza_Srbova
https://www.zapadnisrbi.com/images/dusko/april/toponim_češka.jpg

Serbs arrived to Iran from Europe (Podunavlje) 17:24 - 22:00 (about origin of Serbian name since 20:40) https://youtu.be/gIDzpUm5Q_U?t=1044

[Gründig]

Exactly what I thought, Germanic and Celtic.

http://i.imgur.com/qE4d1UD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xvvaV2l.jpg

[Ayetooey]

No it isn't even remotely similar as Iranic fantasies about Croats (or Serbs). It is widely accepted theory everywhere and your beloved DAI spoke exactly about it.
White Croats and White Serbs were historical tribes and there are numerous sources about them, toponyms and archeological findings. Only their homeland borders are disputable.

Their names could have Iranic root but at time of White Serbia/White Croatia they were clear Slavs.

If the majority of Sorbs/Serbs moved south in the 5th century, who's to say they didn't bring I-PH908 with them and create a founder effect in the Balkans? I-PH908 is equally non existent in the Belorussian triangle where it supposedly originates, it's something like 1%, with the rest of I2a being clades under Din-North.

The remaining Sorbs could easily of mixed with the R1a majority Slavs that surrounded them. Issue here is you're assuming the Sorbs of 2019 are identical to the Sorbs over 1500 years ago, and there's no evidence for this. Sorbs started speaking German by the 17th century, and most stopped speaking slavic by the 19th, but they're somehow representative of Proto Serbs 1500 years ago? Not to mention the centuries they spent under Polish rule, Bohemia, the mixing they undertook with Czechs.

I don't believe I-PH908 is "proto Serb" like Pribislav does, but this is a dishonest argument until we find White Serb samples from 500AD.

[Lemgrant]

https://i.imgur.com/jSNmby9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bjmswtn.png
https://i.imgur.com/dLQiNoJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/LXOMekZ.png

Ancient populations

Avar + Kievan Rus (2.983)
Kievan Rus (4.11)
Scythian + Kievan Rus (4.911)
Avar (7.199)
Scythian (8.543)


Archaeogenetic matches

1. Kievan Rus (1130 AD) (4.11)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.199)
3. Avar (590 AD) (8.361)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.543)
5. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (11.26)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.43)
7. Western Pommerania Unetice (2000 BC) (12.52)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.52)
9. Medieval Czech Brandysek (710 AD) (15.58)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.28)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.73)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.35)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.36)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.39)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.39)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.59)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.39)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.4)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.55)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.59)


Modern populations (the same with Eurogenes K15 oracle)

1. Polish (3.578)
2. Ukrainian (4.380)
3. South_Polish (4.381)
4. Russian_Smolensk (4.704)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

[Leto]

Lastly, I am not offended by my Near East admixture you OWD clown, I am proud of it. Now fuck off, like a good little boy that you are.
Excuse my butting in in but you did mix with a North European woman and gladly displayed it on TA (photos and DNA results of the children). ;)

[Leto]

So they have only one sample from medieval Russia? Nah, I won't bother uploading my data onto there.

[Bosniensis]

If the majority of Sorbs/Serbs moved south in the 5th century, who's to say they didn't bring I-PH908 with them and create a founder effect in the Balkans? I-PH908 is equally non existent in the Belorussian triangle where it supposedly originates, it's something like 1%, with the rest of I2a being clades under Din-North.

The remaining Sorbs could easily of mixed with the R1a majority Slavs that surrounded them. Issue here is you're assuming the Sorbs of 2019 are identical to the Sorbs over 1500 years ago, and there's no evidence for this. Sorbs started speaking German by the 17th century, and most stopped speaking slavic by the 19th, but they're somehow representative of Proto Serbs 1500 years ago? Not to mention the centuries they spent under Polish rule, Bohemia, the mixing they undertook with Czechs.

I don't believe I-PH908 is "proto Serb" like Pribislav does, but this is a dishonest argument until we find White Serb samples from 500AD.

The fact that even Romans sometimes called Serbs = Scythians and Sometimes = Triballians (Thracians) tells you exactly who the Serbs are.

When Serbs came in 6th century they went to Roman Imperator Heraclius and even Maurice who said: "I need to talk with delegation of Serbs and Croats, a Scythian Tribes who settled in Balkans"

So they were called Serbs in 6th century, but first Serbian kingdom was noted in 1050 A.D. Serbs lived 400 years as princedoms along with "Vlachs" aka Romans.

Now I ask you, Which Haplogroup was Roman if Romans lived in Dalmatia predominantly and around Belgrade and Sremska Mitrovica?

I2a1b-PH908 OBVIOUSLY!

Serbs that came, may have or may not have brought some of I2 but I think they were mostly R1a.

[Ayetooey]

I2a1 Serbs came from Northern Italy through France->Germany->czech republic->southern poland->Romania->Serbia, that is very much confirmed migration theory of I2 people.

Your reply is so 2008.

It's changed now brother, did you not see the map I sent you?

We wuz in La Tène.

[Hulu]

No barbarians here


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/SampleResults.jpg

[Bosniensis]

It's changed now brother, did you not see the map I sent you?

We wuz in La Tène.

Celts right? La Tene were Celts or Gauls.

And Gauls were Romans from (Cisalpine Gaul) , they even participated in early Rome during formation period. (except those in Gaul)

Gauls, Southern Spaniards, Northern Italians were (I2a2, I2a1a, I2a1*) namely EXTINCT Western Mediterranean people (Sardinian like) -> which is why Rome moved to East.

[North Sea]

No barbarians here

https://imgur.com/a/kVehrSn

You are more South than me, so is *****. I assume I would match more Northern samples.

That other calc Voskos posted also gave me more match with Northern samples and less with Mycanean.

[Pribislav]

If the majority of Sorbs/Serbs moved south in the 5th century, who's to say they didn't bring I-PH908 with them and create a founder effect in the Balkans? I-PH908 is equally non existent in the Belorussian triangle where it supposedly originates, it's something like 1%, with the rest of I2a being clades under Din-North.

The remaining Sorbs could easily of mixed with the R1a majority Slavs that surrounded them. Issue here is you're assuming the Sorbs of 2019 are identical to the Sorbs over 1500 years ago, and there's no evidence for this. Sorbs started speaking German by the 17th century, and most stopped speaking slavic by the 19th, but they're somehow representative of Proto Serbs 1500 years ago? Not to mention the centuries they spent under Polish rule, Bohemia, the mixing they undertook with Czechs.

I don't believe I-PH908 is "proto Serb" like Pribislav does, but this is a dishonest argument until we find White Serb samples from 500AD.

Serbian ethnonym came from R1a probably. I2-PH908 became Serbian long time ago, in 4th or 5th century.
In 7th century Serbs were already pred. I2-PH908.

[dosas]

Excuse my butting in in but you did mix with a North European woman and gladly displayed it on TA (photos and DNA results of the children). ;)

Yeah, why not. Am I hurting the TA's resident incels' feelings?

[Dick]

https://i.gyazo.com/87f26d186ef40216538a61f9f2ab8be0.png

No ancient matches

https://i.gyazo.com/a652a0aebc33a9bd72ca9a724fdd611a.png

:picard1:

Are you Albanian?

[paradox]

Good thing for your dad is that he can relocate to his homeland of Romania so easily, since both countries are in the EU, where he can reunite with his people, instead of lamenting his butthurt over the intrawebz via a representative.Again you presume. My father has never "lamented" anything to me. I have mentioned on here previously how he won't discuss his origins with me. What I know was told to me by my mother.
Thank you for your concern re relocating to Romania but he is quite happy living in Australia. Thank God he migrated to Australia and what I do know via my mother is that he hopes to never step foot in Greece again.
Now go away and keep living in your delusional world.

[Dick]

Awesome thread. Bosniensis is back, fighting everywhere just in ancient times

[Bosniensis]

Serbian ethnonym came from R1a probably. I2-PH908 became Serbian long time ago, in 4th or 5th century.
In 7th century Serbs were already pred. I2-PH908.

But those people who Joined Serbs are Not Proto-Serbs as you have described them.

I am not saying they are not Serbs, but rather how Serbian nation was formed -> by making Dalmatian and Central Serbian and Bosnian Latins into Slavic Serbian people.

[Hulu]

You are more South than me, so is *****. I assume I would match more Northern samples.

That other calc Voskos posted also gave me more match with Northern samples and less with Mycanean.

We are also geographically more south than you. Makes sense.

[dosas]

Again you presume. My father has never "lamented" anything to me. I have mentioned on here previously how he won't discuss his origins with me. What I know was told to me by my mother.
Thank you for your concern re relocating to Romania but he is quite happy living in Australia. Thank God he migrated to Australia and what I do know via my mother is that he hopes to never step foot in Greece again.
Now go away and keep living in your delusional world.

You hate Greece so much but can't stop talking about it. He doesn't want to set foot there again, looks like a win-win to me.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just adding this in case anyone missed it. Over 10 means it is only an ancestral link but not really part of your ancestry. They most likely don't have enough ancients from all areas for people to match really well.

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
10 means this is your ancient ancestry
20 means this is part of your ancestral link
30 means possibly related to your ancestry

I was just noticing on some people's results the distances weren't really close. Something to bear in mind.

[Pribislav]

But those people who Joined Serbs are Not Proto-Serbs as you have described them.

I am not saying they are not Serbs, but rather how Serbian nation was formed -> by making Dalmatian and Central Serbian and Bosnian Latins into Slavic Serbian people.

I2-PH908 participated in Serbian ethno-genesis in north, outsude of Balkan.

I2-PH908 have nothing to do with Romans and Vlachs. Serbs abssorbed most of E-V13, J2 and R1b in the Balkans, not I2-PH908.

[Ayetooey]

Celts right? La Tene were Celts or Gauls.

And Gauls were Romans from (Cisalpine Gaul) , they even participated in early Rome during formation period. (except those in Gaul)

Gauls, Southern Spaniards, Northern Italians were (I2a2, I2a1a, I2a1*) namely EXTINCT Western Mediterranean people (Sardinian like) -> which is why Rome moved to East.

Yes. La Tene were celts and inhabited old Hallstatt and parts of North Serbia/Croatia. The new map now has us moving from La Tene into Raska in 200AD. I might contact the owner of the site, asking him what it's all about, no I2a-din has been found in La Tene as far as I'm aware.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/564819496146305025/unknown.png?width=400&height=275

[North Sea]

Are you Albanian?

Seems more like Proto Serbian results :P

[Hulu]

Just adding this in case anyone missed it. Over 10 means it is only an ancestral link but not really part of your ancestry. They most likely don't have enough ancients from all areas for people to match really well.

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
10 means this is your ancient ancestry
20 means this is part of your ancestral link
30 means possibly related to your ancestry

I was just noticing on some people's results the distances weren't really close. Something to bear in mind.

Thanks Grace. Now I'm interpreting mine better, the single Roman or Greek are further than ancient roman + greek (meaning Albanian) which has a distance of 4.

I WAS ILLYRIANS!

[Rgvgjhvv]

Just adding this in case anyone missed it. Over 10 means it is only an ancestral link but not really part of your ancestry. They most likely don't have enough ancients from all areas for people to match really well.

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
10 means this is your ancient ancestry
20 means this is part of your ancestral link
30 means possibly related to your ancestry

I was just noticing on some people's results the distances weren't really close. Something to bear in mind.

I literally have zero ancient population samples within 10 or less, lol. But I thought that was quite normal? From what I understand ancient samples will always be at a far distance because we are all mixed with modern populations nowadays, so it'll never be perfect.

[Carpatz]

First of all, Aromanians are part of the Greek ethnogenesis and very patriotic. Not my fault her Romanian dad got stuck on the wrong side of the border after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Secondly, my Anatolian grandad crushed your little Slavic ancestor uprisings a couple of times. So to the victor go the spoils.

Lastly, I am not offended by my Near East admixture you OWD clown, I am proud of it. Now fuck off, like a good little boy that you are. You can still hope for a pity handjob, white knight loser.

It doesn't matter to me whether you feel offended or not, you turkish mutt. Leave Macedonian affairs to Macedonians.

[Bosniensis]

Yes. La Tene were celts and inhabited old Hallstatt and parts of North Serbia/Croatia. The new map now has us moving from La Tene into Raska in 200AD. I might contact the owner of the site, asking him what it's all about, no I2a-din has been found in La Tene as far as I'm aware.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/564819496146305025/unknown.png?width=400&height=275

I don't know From WHERE I2a1b came in Ancient Times, nor it is important.

The simple fact it came from Western Europe is a proof enough it isn't Paternal Slavic haplogroup because Slavs did not came from Western Europe, but from Pontic Steppe.

I-Haplogroup in General has little in common with Scythian peoples who were mostly related to certain R1 clades.

[Pribislav]

First of all, Aromanians are part of the Greek ethnogenesis and very patriotic. Not my fault her Romanian dad got stuck on the wrong side of the border after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Secondly, my Anatolian grandad crushed your little Slavic ancestor uprisings a couple of times. So to the victor go the spoils.

Lastly, I am not offended by my Near East admixture you OWD clown, I am proud of it. Now fuck off, like a good little boy that you are. You can still hope for a pity handjob, white knight loser.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmKvZ9rkHHg

[dosas]

It doesn't matter to me whether you feel offended or not, you turkish mutt. Leave Macedonian affairs to Macedonians.

Keep coping, boy.

[Bosniensis]

Someone upload Italians, I want to see that Viking, German results.

[Dick]

Seems more like Proto Serbian results :P

Albanians are gypsies

[Hulu]

Someone upload Italians, I want to see that Viking, German results.

What do you think Bosniensis

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/SampleResults.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

It isnt non existant AFAIK . I2a1b does exist among North Slavs , in some more than othets. It's high frequency in South Slavs has been explained to possibly be a bottleneck or founder effect. It's a coincidence that South Slavs aren't majority R1a basically.

PH908 does not exist among Sorbs and it isn't frequent among any other North Slavs as matter of fact.

[Ayetooey]

I don't know From WHERE I2a1b came in Ancient Times, nor it is important.

The simple fact it came from Western Europe is a proof enough it isn't Paternal Slavic haplogroup because Slavs did not came from Western Europe, but from Pontic Steppe.

I-Haplogroup in General has little in common with Scythian peoples who were mostly related to certain R1 clades.

It's possible. There were further celtic invasions of the Balkans inbetween 100ad and 500ad. It's something I'll need to research.

[Pribislav]

PH908 does not exist among Sorbs and it isn't frequent among any other North Slavs as matter of fact.

I2-PH908 is the strongest clade among Serbs. Do you think it's fell from the sky?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

If the majority of Sorbs/Serbs moved south in the 5th century, who's to say they didn't bring I-PH908 with them and create a founder effect in the Balkans? I-PH908 is equally non existent in the Belorussian triangle where it supposedly originates, it's something like 1%, with the rest of I2a being clades under Din-North.

The remaining Sorbs could easily of mixed with the R1a majority Slavs that surrounded them. Issue here is you're assuming the Sorbs of 2019 are identical to the Sorbs over 1500 years ago, and there's no evidence for this. Sorbs started speaking German by the 17th century, and most stopped speaking slavic by the 19th, but they're somehow representative of Proto Serbs 1500 years ago? Not to mention the centuries they spent under Polish rule, Bohemia, the mixing they undertook with Czechs.

I don't believe I-PH908 is "proto Serb" like Pribislav does, but this is a dishonest argument until we find White Serb samples from 500AD.

I agree man and I don't think PH908 is proto-Croat either. It's something else, probably Sclavenian who assimilated Bastarnae in Ukraine.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I2-PH908 is the strongest clade among Serbs. Do you think it's fell from the sky?

So is in Croats and Bosniaks , and ? I think it came with first Slav wawe to Balkan.

[Bosniensis]

What do you think Bosniensis

https://imgur.com/a/kVehrSn

I believe that's true.

From YDNA aspect we are closer to Paleo and Meso-Italian, Gaul people than you are, but you managed to stay away from mixing with Germanic, Scythian people.

Through Paternal Line, Ancient Romans are closer to us and J2a people than to E1b people, but let's not go back 5000 years.

I believe that EV13 were immigrants to Greece who arrived from Northern Africa in Mycenaean period. 2500 B.C~

Never the less your haplogroup was found in Greek colonies in Spain and can be observed as Greek haplogroup.

[Grace O'Malley]

How much was the upgrade?

$37 so a bit of a waste really. Firemonkey got his for free. :cool:

[Ayetooey]

I agree man and I don't think PH908 is proto-Croat either. It's something else, probably Sclavenian who assimilated Bastarnae in Ukraine.

Bastarnae is the theory some of the Serb dna project admins support (as far as I know).

[Hulu]

I believe that's true.

From YDNA aspect we are closer to Paleo and Meso-Italian, Gaul people than you are, but you managed to stay away from mixing with Germanic, Scythian people.

Through Paternal Line, Ancient Romans are closer to us and J2a people than to E1b people, but let's not go back 5000 years.

I believe that EV13 were immigrants to Greece who arrived from Northern Africa in Mycenaean period. 2500 B.C~

Never the less your haplogroup was found in Greek colonies in Spain and can be observed as Greek haplogroup.

But Ev13 was formed in North Italy according to this. And its whereabouts was true Illyrians holdings. You just managed to push us down south. 2500 is too recent, EV13 was in Europe at least 7000 B.C.

http://i63.tinypic.com/al3wpd.jpg

[Ayetooey]

But Ev13 was formed in North Italy according to this. And its whereabouts was true Illyrians holdings. You just managed to push us down south.

http://i63.tinypic.com/al3wpd.jpg

Have you re-run your clade? The site owner has updated them all.

[NielsW]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/4678/o8lG7d.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1345/5oqjdY.png
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[Rgvgjhvv]

$37 so a bit of a waste really.

Can confirm, is a waste.

[Grace O'Malley]

I literally have zero ancient population samples within 10 or less, lol. But I thought that was quite normal? From what I understand ancient samples will always be at a far distance because we are all mixed with modern populations nowadays, so it'll never be perfect.

All the Northwestern Euros are quite close but there are quite a lot of samples from that area i.e the Gladiators, Lombardo samples, they even have a Pict. :)

[Pribislav]

So is in Croats and Bosniaks , and ? I think it came with first Slav wawe to Balkan.

Yes, Croatians and Bosniaks also have PH908 as the strongest clade.

Northern Macedonians are liitle more CTS10228 of total I2a1b2a1. Bulgarians and Romanians have 2/3 CTS10228 of total I2a1b2a1 I think. Slovenian I2a1b2a1 is almost 100% CTS10228.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yes, Croatians and Bosniaks also have PH908 as the strongest clade.

Northern Macedonians are liitle more CTS10228 of total I2a1b2a1. Bulgarians and Romanians have 2/3 CTS10228 of total I2a1b2a1 I think. Slovenian I2a1b2a1 is almost 100% CTS10228.

It must be connected with gigantic dinaric dudes who are so fucking clanish and nationalistic. I call it proto Ustaša-Četnik-Balija marker and it's totally unique among Slavs, nobody else has big amount of it.

[Abdelnour]

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[Hulu]

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/SampleMapArch.jpg

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.85)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.46)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.12)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.67)
5. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (14.52)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.42)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.59)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.6)
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.61)

[Grace O'Malley]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/4678/o8lG7d.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1345/5oqjdY.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1665/uvjxA0.png

Check your Archeogenetic matches in the tab Ancient Samples. You'll get an incomplete list but it will show some of your top matches.

[Ayetooey]

It must be connected with gigantic dinaric dudes who are so fucking clanish and nationalistic. I call it proto Ustaša-Četnik-Balija marker and it's totally unique among Slavs, nobody else has big amount of it.

And it's very low in Greece/Bulgaria/Macedonia which is interesting. It really is just a Serb/Croat/Bosniak clade in the vast majority of cases. Saying that, I have a Belarussian match, but he claims his paternal ancestor was a Kosovan Serb horsemen.

[talombo]

What's the difference between the blue dots and the red ones ?

Answer:
Blue dots link to a clearly defined set of ancient peoples. Red dots refer to ancient samples where identity is difficult to determine based on archaelogical evidence.
Faded dots mean distant connection, brighter dots mean very close DNA distance to you.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

And it's very low in Greece/Bulgaria/Macedonia which is interesting. It really is just a Serb/Croat/Bosniak clade in the vast majority of cases. Saying that, I have a Belarussian match, but he claims his paternal ancestor was a Kosovan Serb horsemen.

Epic.

[Dick]

Like HungryLion said, western balkan, a combination of Avars, Gauls, Romans and Germans = A Combination from Hell.

And they ask us: Why are you all crazy?

The Avar sample used is Szolad from Hungary. It was a female and similar to belarussians

[Pribislav]

It must be connected with gigantic dinaric dudes who are so fucking clanish and nationalistic. I call it proto Ustaša-Četnik-Balija marker and it's totally unique among Slavs, nobody else has big amount of it.

Very true. :) :1127:

[Hulu]

Have you re-run your clade? The site owner has updated them all.

I tried it now, it hasn't changed.

[Bosniensis]

Very true. :) :1127:

Radovan Damjanović called us Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims, Macedonian Muslims, Bulgarian Muslims etc.. as "Balijske Formacije"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Radovan Damjanović called us Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims, Macedonian Muslims, Bulgarian Muslims etc.. as "Balijske Formacije"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Dude, you have mongolic straight hair. Where's your Roman curls ?

[Dick]

Dude, you have mongolic straight hair. Where's your Roman curls ?

in his pants

[Bosniensis]

Dude, you have mongolic straight hair. Where's your Roman curls ?

I am half Scythian DUDE, my dad and brother have them, and they look funny, I am glad I don't.

[Ayetooey]

I am half Scythian DUDE, my dad and brother have them, and they look funny, I am glad I don't.

I have curly hair like a Jew. Appreciate your mongol/avar locks.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I am half Scythian DUDE, my dad and brother have them, and they look funny, I am glad I don't.

You got prominant cheekbones also. Certanly Avar penetrated.

[HungryLion]

Da sumiramo
Avari i Skiti su sloveni barem kad se radi o ovim uzorcima?
Gali su Kelti, Franci su švabe..Amin.

[Bosniensis]

Da sumiramo
Avari i Skiti su sloveni barem kad se radi o ovim uzorcima?
Gali su Kelti, Franci su švabe..Amin.

Slavs got their name in 7th century A.D. nobody knows how they called themselves.

Scythians were mix of everything in steppe where strongest warlord ruled the mass of Hordes who were always ready to butcher, invade and destroy anyone or anything.

They probably never cared about ancestry... they were brutes.

[Bosniensis]

Proud of our Ancestor Taras Buljba

Nice people those Scythians:



https://youtu.be/EIXctSrNxWA


https://youtu.be/Wn_f0odpg30

[Dick]

Slavs got their name in 7th century A.D. nobody knows how they called themselves.

Scythians were mix of everything in steppe where strongest warlord ruled the mass of Hordes who were always ready to butcher, invade and destroy anyone or anything.

They probably never cared about ancestry... they were brutes.

Like a biker gang but on horseback.

[Bosniensis]

Like a biker gang but on horseback.

Poles say: When Cossacks would invade a village, they would murder everything that moves, even cats and dogs, they would took their spoils then they would burn everything down to ashes.

Now mix that with Eastern Roman Byzantine Culture and you get: Western Balkan people, a people always ready to star wars and commit genocides.

Scythians + Greeks + Germans mix = a people from hell

[HungryLion]

Slavs got their name in 7th century A.D. nobody knows how they called themselves.

Scythians were mix of everything in steppe where strongest warlord ruled the mass of Hordes who were always ready to butcher, invade and destroy anyone or anything.

They probably never cared about ancestry... they were brutes.

Probably they are :D
Btw how I finish whit 50% celtic blod and few drop German
Okay this German trace is from deep past, but these gaul/celtic?

[Bosniensis]

Probably they are :D
Btw how I finish whit 50% celtic blod and few drop German
Okay this German trace is from deep past, but these gaul/celtic?

Celts and Gauls lived on Balkans as well, after Franks conquered their land they fled in 4th century A.D.

Some came here and became Serbs.

[Dick]

Celts and Gauls lived on Balkans as well, after Franks conquered their land they fled in 4th century A.D.

Some came here and became Serbs.

Wasn't King Samo a Frank?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samo

[Tschaikisten]

Neat website. Some features you need to pay for but the upload is free.


Similar to yours. Makes sense, our autosomal results are similar, on plotting maps I am a bit ''northern''.

https://i.imgur.com/gHepVgj.png
https://i.imgur.com/8KQRruu.png
https://i.imgur.com/8opwWy4.png
https://i.imgur.com/cqQsdFD.png

[Dick]

Your wishful thinking won't make it reality. They had type of R1a modern Sorbs have and parhaps some DinN, I1. That's about it.

Sorbs have 10% I1, probably more. They should test all 952 of them

[Hulu]

Your closest Ancient populations...

Roman + Thracian (7.609)
Roman + Illyrian (7.609)
Thracian (7.91)
Illyrian (7.91)
Roman (10.53)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.91)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (10.53)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.62)
7. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.13)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.28)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. North_Italian (8.419)
2. Spanish_Galicia (10.14)
3. Portuguese (10.63)
4. Tuscan (11.30)

Will need help from experts to understand this, doesn't make sense to me.

I'm so jealous! Why don't I get Illyrian :eek:

[MagnusDark]

Me: Going to do my parents kits later. Nice find!

https://i.postimg.cc/KcNzZrTL/tru1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/NF7bnCCd/TRU2.png

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.27)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.92)
7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.09)
9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.39)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.68)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.75)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.96)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.38)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.67)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.85)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.02)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.07)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.31)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.36)


Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Greek_Thessaly (7.839)
2. Greek (9.494)
3. Tuscan (10.09)
4. Central_Greek (12.00)
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8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

[Videx]

I like this site.


https://i.imgur.com/lgCZTQm.png

Your closest Ancient populations...
Scythian + Frank (5.74)
Celt + Scythian (7.659)
Scythian (8.882)
Frank (13.25)
Celt (13.76)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (8.591)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.882)
3. Western Pommerania Unetice (2000 BC) (9.679)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.679)
5. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (9.931)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.06)
7. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (12.15)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.3)
9. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (13.25)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.75)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.76)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.83)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.96)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.98)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.2)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.55)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.9)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.9)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.99)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.06)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Austrian (5.019)
2. Czech (5.895)
3. East_German (7.497)
4. Hungarian (7.562)
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[Dorian]

He's a "Helenised Vlach". He was born in Greece and it seems his ancestors chose to stick with their own people. I don't know what to call my father. Greece wouldn't allow them to identify as Vlachs so they became "Greeks". Its a very sad situation and this has affected my father greatly. Vlachs are not genetically Greek, this is just bullshit Greek propaganda. To answer your question, I really dont know where my ancestors originally came from. I just know they are Vlachs.

De ntrepesai re?ti einai auta pou les?ligh tsipa den exeis?
"Your dad is sad" my ass and greek propaganda,gtfo troll...