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Rgvgjhvv
12-17-2019, 10:09 PM
Eurogenes K13:
6.53905192 Turk_North_West
7.26338076 Turk_Central_West
8.19541945 Turk_Anatolia
9.03781500 Turk_South
9.94053318 Turk_Central_East
11.63649861 Turkish_mixed
11.86857194 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.04788363 Greek_Chios
12.93986090 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
14.21498505 Greek_Andros_Island
14.51397947 Central_Greek
14.66960548 Greek_Dodecanese
14.81230907 Greek_Cappadocian
15.17466968 Turk_Cypriot
15.31385647 East_Sicilian
15.44581820 Turk_South_East
15.77581377 Greek_Symi_Island
16.13728912 South_Italian
16.43808991 Greek_Peloponnese
16.75103579 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.79624958 Ashkenazi
16.95978479 Turk_East
17.29993931 Italian_Abruzzo
17.35133136 Azeri
18.50805230 Lebanese_Muslim
Distance: 0.2174% / 0.21740427
18.8 Greek_Cappadocian
11.6 Lebanese_Druze
11.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.2 Greek_Caucasus
9.4 Albanian
7.0 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
4.6 South_Polish
3.8 Turk_Central_East
3.0 Yakut
2.2 Naxi
2.2 Serbian
2.2 Tuscan
1.8 Serbian_Bosnia
1.6 Xibo
1.4 She
1.4 Turkmen
1.2 Turk_North_West
1.0 Uzbeki
0.8 Belorussian
0.8 East_Finnish
0.6 Greek_Chios
0.6 NAN_Melanesian
0.6 Papuan
0.4 Oroqen
0.4 Romani
0.4 Vietnamese
0.2 Austroasiatic_Ho
0.2 Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.2 North_Italian
Distance: 1.4571% / 1.45714258 | ADC: 0.25x
65.4 Turk_North_West
15.6 Ashkenazi
11.0 Greek_Chios
3.8 Lebanese_Druze
2.4 Turk_Central_West
1.4 Dai
0.4 NAN_Melanesian
Distance: 2.7938% / 2.79376554 | ADC: 0.5x
67.4 Turk_North_West
16.0 Ashkenazi
8.4 Turk_Central_West
8.2 Greek_Chios
Distance: 4.3045% / 4.30449144 | ADC: 1x
82.0 Turk_North_West
18.0 Greek_Chios
Distance: 6.5391% / 6.53905192 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Turk_North_West
CLEAR OUTPUT
CYCLES - 1XADD DIST COL - NOPRINT ZEROES - NOAGGREGATE - YESADD BAR CHART - MODE 1
Eurogenes K15
7.00132845 Turkish_Balikesir
7.12763635 Turkish_Aydin
10.39683606 Turkish_Adana
12.19625762 Turkish_Anatolia
12.39967742 Turkish_Kayseri
14.11356440 Ashkenazi
14.51813349 Central_Greek
15.57132300 East_Sicilian
16.40716341 GR_Macedonia
16.48178388 South_Italian
16.68435532 GR_Peloponese
16.99628783 Italian_Abruzzo
17.10245596 Azerbaijani
17.68904463 Greek_Thessaly
18.73782805 Greek
19.07314867 Turkmen
19.24147344 Italian_Jewish
19.37432063 Sephardic_Jewish
19.38070174 Syrian
19.64325075 Lebanese_Muslim
20.35867874 Armenian_West
20.43447822 West_Sicilian
20.81559405 Kosovar
20.86838278 Georgian_Jew
21.15785433 Armenian_East
Distance: 1.9285% / 1.92848084
35.4 Armenian_West
26.8 Greek_Thessaly
7.0 Tabassaran
5.6 Cypriot
5.4 Libyan_Jewish
5.0 West_Norwegian
4.0 Naxi
3.8 Oroqen
3.0 Greek_Trabzon
1.0 Papuan
0.8 Afghan_Tadjik
0.8 Tujia
0.8 Xibo
0.4 Yakut
0.2 She
Distance: 3.0755% / 3.07545255 | ADC: 0.25x
45.8 Turkish_Balikesir
19.2 Turkish_Aydin
12.8 Greek_Thessaly
7.4 Libyan_Jewish
5.8 Greek_Trabzon
5.4 Armenian_West
2.4 Dai
1.2 Cypriot
Distance: 4.6437% / 4.64372278 | ADC: 0.5x
41.6 Turkish_Balikesir
41.4 Turkish_Aydin
10.4 Central_Greek
6.4 Libyan_Jewish
0.2 Dai
Distance: 5.8847% / 5.88474547 | ADC: 1x
50.4 Turkish_Balikesir
44.8 Turkish_Aydin
4.6 Central_Greek
0.2 Ashkenazi
Distance: 6.3998% / 6.39980436 | ADC: 2x
62.0 Turkish_Balikesir
38.0 Turkish_Aydin
CLEAR OUTPUT
CYCLES - 1XADD DIST COL - NOPRINT ZEROES - NOAGGREGATE - YESADD BAR CHART - MODE 1
Eurogenes EU Test
11.53008673 Turkish
13.60345912 Greek_Crete_1
15.10988087 Greek
16.07853227 AJ
17.94392655 South_Italian_&_Sicilian
18.50361586 Cypriot
18.61801815 IR
18.74590622 Kurdish
19.86993206 Armenian
20.45788601 Assyrian
20.85988974 Maltese_1
21.48679129 Albanian_1
22.10559884 Kosovar_1
22.97481882 Mandean
23.86297970 IQ
24.58762290 Bulgarian_1
25.84266240 Tuscan
26.70898164 Romanian
28.89800858 Serbian
29.78422737 Lezgin
29.95562718 North_Italian
30.42368650 Druze
30.84058041 Samaritan
31.29423110 Moldavian_1
32.04051654 German
Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 2.5539% / 2.55392270
31.0 Druze
28.0 German
12.0 Slovakian_1
11.0 Sardinian
7.6 Selkup
5.4 Chinese
3.2 Sindhi
1.2 Assyrian
0.4 Burusho
0.2 Komi
Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 4.1849% / 4.18491314 | ADC: 0.25x
53.6 Turkish
29.2 Greek_Crete_1
5.4 Moldavian_1
4.6 Japanese
2.8 Selkup
1.8 Greek
1.6 Burusho
1.0 Sardinian
Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 5.7040% / 5.70398322 | ADC: 0.5x
53.8 Turkish
34.0 Greek_Crete_1
8.2 Kazakh
4.0 Albanian_1
Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 9.0706% / 9.07057999 | ADC: 1x
67.0 Turkish
32.0 Greek_Crete_1
1.0 AJ
Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 10.5801% / 10.58006950 | ADC: 2x
90.6 Turkish
9.4 Greek_Crete_1
Did all the Eurogenes populations get updated? These aren't normal results from GEDMatch.
FinalFlash
12-17-2019, 10:12 PM
Did all the Eurogenes populations get updated? These aren't normal results from GEDMatch.
Yes they have been updated using the Vahaduo tool.
Luke35
12-17-2019, 10:24 PM
:)
Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.6416% / 2.64160132
49.8 Szekely_Harghita
37.4 North_German
12.8 Southwest_English
Kaspias
12-17-2019, 10:25 PM
:)
Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.6416% / 2.64160132
49.8 Szekely_Harghita
37.4 North_German
12.8 Southwest_English
:)
Kökény
12-17-2019, 10:26 PM
:)
Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.6416% / 2.64160132
49.8 Szekely_Harghita
37.4 North_German
12.8 Southwest_English
I accept you as my fellow countryman. :D
Luke35
12-17-2019, 10:32 PM
I accept you as my fellow countryman. :D
I am truly honored!
Rgvgjhvv
12-17-2019, 11:49 PM
Yes they have been updated using the Vahaduo tool.
Cool. MyHeritage raw data results:
K13
4.28615212 Central_Greek
5.94154020 East_Sicilian
6.31321630 Greek_Andros_Island
7.43065273 Greek_Thessaly
7.52759590 Greek_Peloponnese
7.55198649 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
7.79309951 South_Italian
8.28301877 Italian_Abruzzo
8.53954917 Ashkenazi
8.69136353 West_Sicilian
10.59688634 Greek_Chios
11.00754741 Albanian
11.92489098 Greek_Dodecanese
12.39209425 Greek_Symi_Island
13.97354644 Tuscan
14.32344931 Algerian_Jewish
14.43083158 Italian_Jewish
14.79535062 Sephardic_Jewish
15.63492984 North_Macedonian
15.76856683 Moroccan_Jew
16.81479111 Bulgarian
17.59565571 Turk_Cypriot
18.17600616 Romanian_Muntenia
18.81787980 Tunisian_Jewish
19.34627096 Libyan_Jewish
FinalFlash
12-17-2019, 11:50 PM
Cool. MyHeritage raw data results:
K13
4.28615212 Central_Greek
5.94154020 East_Sicilian
6.31321630 Greek_Andros_Island
7.43065273 Greek_Thessaly
7.52759590 Greek_Peloponnese
7.55198649 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
7.79309951 South_Italian
8.28301877 Italian_Abruzzo
8.53954917 Ashkenazi
8.69136353 West_Sicilian
10.59688634 Greek_Chios
11.00754741 Albanian
11.92489098 Greek_Dodecanese
12.39209425 Greek_Symi_Island
13.97354644 Tuscan
14.32344931 Algerian_Jewish
14.43083158 Italian_Jewish
14.79535062 Sephardic_Jewish
15.63492984 North_Macedonian
15.76856683 Moroccan_Jew
16.81479111 Bulgarian
17.59565571 Turk_Cypriot
18.17600616 Romanian_Muntenia
18.81787980 Tunisian_Jewish
19.34627096 Libyan_Jewish
Let's see your top 50 on K15!
Rgvgjhvv
12-17-2019, 11:57 PM
Let's see your top 50 on K15!
Top 50 for K15:
4.40062496 Central_Greek
5.79958080 GR_Peloponese
6.35149589 Greek
6.35619383 East_Sicilian
6.54254538 South_Italian
7.47460367 Italian_Abruzzo
8.15282228 GR_Macedonia
8.67043252 Ashkenazi
9.02663836 West_Sicilian
9.15721573 Greek_Thessaly
10.84014299 Kosovar
12.69633018 Italian_Jewish
12.89877901 Tuscan
13.33877056 Sephardic_Jewish
13.87353956 Algerian_Jewish
15.90691673 Bulgarian
17.75257164 Tunisian_Jewish
17.80162266 Macedonian
18.21163090 Turkish_Balikesir
18.84191869 Turkish_Aydin
18.98091146 Romanian
19.80385064 Turkish_Adana
19.83195906 Libyan_Jewish
19.84625405 North_Italian
20.48218718 Montenegrin
21.01652207 Turkish_Anatolia
21.50810355 Serbian_2
21.65933286 Turkish_Kayseri
22.63734746 Cypriot
22.73291446 Lebanese_Muslim
23.33393880 Syrian
23.36117078 Serbian
25.86777486 Bosnian
26.33227903 Serbian_Bosnia
26.88099143 Tunisian
27.47245348 Lebanese_Christian
27.57471487 Azerbaijani
27.63605435 Palestinian
27.85465132 Algerian
27.97563047 Armenian_West
28.13146637 Assyrian
28.17764007 Spanish_Andalucia
28.21348791 Georgian_Jew
28.51799958 Greek_Trabzon
28.54638856 Spanish_Extremadura
28.73007135 Portuguese
28.76652742 Samaritan
28.88350394 Spanish_Murcia
29.23453266 Moldavian
29.43966542 Armenian_East
Chart thing for K13:
https://i.imgur.com/MWtGAOU.png
Bakha
12-18-2019, 12:07 AM
Lebanese, ahahaha
Rgvgjhvv
12-18-2019, 12:14 AM
Lebanese, ahahaha
Is it funny to you?
Mingle
12-18-2019, 12:31 AM
added
Can you have "Romanian" renamed to "Romanian_Oltenia" since the Romanian average is based off samples only from Oltenia?
Dunai
12-18-2019, 12:46 AM
More Székely samples for the Vahaduo database:
K13
Székely,27.2,28.84,11.79,9.29,13.48,3.24,1.46,1.44 ,0.89,1.57,0.8,0.0,0.0
K15
Székely1,18.94,17.66,18.33,11.8,10.2,7.93,9.73,2.2 2,0.29,0.01,2.37,0.21,0.5,0.0,0.0
Székely2,19.58,19.99,16.21,7.69,8.74,8.71,11.14,1. 48,1.39,0.64,2.6,0.6,0.84,0.09,0.3
Impaler
12-18-2019, 12:55 AM
Eurogenes k15:
Target: Impaler
Distance: 3.3156% / 3.31563742 | ADC: 0.25x
42.0 Székely2
16.8 GR_Peloponese
15.2 Macedonian
11.4 Lebanese_Druze
7.0 Greek_Thessaly
3.6 Kol
2.8 Makrani
0.8 West_German
0.4 Austroasiatic_Ho
Target: Impaler
Distance: 5.4882% / 5.48818368 | ADC: 0.5x
47.0 GR_Peloponese
33.6 Székely2
9.2 Greek_Thessaly
4.2 Macedonian
2.4 Afghan_Uzbeki
2.0 Makrani
1.6 Brahmin_UP
:D
https://i.imgur.com/f7fuZzz.png
Distance to: Feiichy_Son
4.65241873 Hungarian
6.61147487 Csango_Gymes
6.69858194 Moldavian
6.82953146 Croatian
8.36331872 Serbian_Bosnia
8.52400141 Serbian
8.54240013 Austrian
9.16960195 Czech
9.58747621 East_German
9.75001538 Romanian_NorthMoldova
10.04654667 Szekely_Harghita
12.57781778 South_Polish
12.74983137 Ukrainian_Lviv
12.77805932 Romanian
12.93886780 Romanian_SouthMoldova
Mingle
12-18-2019, 01:31 AM
More Székely samples for the Vahaduo database:
K13
Székely,27.2,28.84,11.79,9.29,13.48,3.24,1.46,1.44 ,0.89,1.57,0.8,0.0,0.0
Here's the new K13 Szekely average based off Kokeny, Kokeny's mother (hope Kokeny is okay with her being included), and the Szekely sample you just posted:
Szekely,28.49,26.83,13.47,8.75,14.06,2.15,1.15,0.8 9,2.32,0.9,0.78,0,0.13
FilhoV
12-18-2019, 01:58 AM
MDLP K23b using 4 populations
https://imgur.com/a/QYlZz1i
dududud
12-18-2019, 03:02 AM
K13:
Me:
36.0 French_Basque
17.4 Albanian
15.6 North_Dutch
10.0 Romanian_Muntenia
10.0 Sardinian
3.6 Norwegian
3.2 North_Italian
1.6 Laz
1.6 Spanish_Cataluna
1.0 Dai
4.61035790 Spanish_Cataluna
5.84352633 Spanish_Galicia
6.04085259 Spanish_Cantabria
6.11469541 Portuguese
6.13196543 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.29815052 Spanish_Valencia
6.38574976 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
6.57774277 Spanish_Extremadura
6.87033478 Southwest_French
6.98816857 Spanish_Andalucia
7.07335140 Spanish_Murcia
8.98628399 Spanish_Aragon
9.85308581 French
11.56514159 North_Italian
16.09950931 South_Dutch
16.30598356 West_German
19.13394627 Tuscan
19.71647534 Szekely_Harghita
20.31641701 French_Basque
21.04083886 Austrian
21.18920716 Southeast_English
21.64556768 Southwest_English
21.93408720 North_Macedonian
22.26294006 Serbian
22.49495499 Albanian
Father:
62.6 West_Scottish
27.2 French_Basque
5.4 Moroccan_Jew
2.6 Lebanese_Druze
1.6 Southeast_English
0.6 Dai
8.98336797 Southwest_English
9.55558475 Southeast_English
10.77276195 French
10.84998157 South_Dutch
11.67519165 West_Scottish
11.86292544 Orcadian
12.32602531 Irish
12.37195215 West_German
14.05290361 North_Dutch
14.49443686 Danish
15.00216318 Spanish_Cataluna
15.82903661 North_German
16.21152368 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
16.52878096 Spanish_Cantabria
16.63819101 Southwest_French
16.70908136 Norwegian
17.25126662 Spanish_Aragon
17.56776309 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
17.63794206 Spanish_Murcia
17.65803783 Spanish_Galicia
17.71883743 Portuguese
17.82963825 Spanish_Valencia
19.07271874 Spanish_Extremadura
19.40762221 Swedish
19.95742969 Spanish_Andalucia
Mother:
Target: Jeanne
Distance: 1.7047% / 1.70471286
34.8 Sardinian
30.0 Spanish_Valencia
14.2 Romanian_NorthMoldova
12.6 Romanian_Muntenia
7.0 Southeast_English
1.0 French_Basque
0.4 Dai
8.66215331 North_Italian
11.34252617 Spanish_Andalucia
11.93165118 Spanish_Valencia
11.94984937 Spanish_Extremadura
12.37286951 Portuguese
12.87676978 Spanish_Galicia
13.05376957 Spanish_Murcia
13.39741766 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.70275155 Spanish_Cataluna
13.86478272 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
14.09224964 Tuscan
14.31848106 Spanish_Cantabria
15.07856426 Southwest_French
15.73456386 Spanish_Aragon
17.91226954 Albanian
19.28055967 North_Macedonian
20.03482219 French
20.43897013 Romanian_Muntenia
20.67704766 West_Sicilian
20.97433908 Greek_Thessaly
21.95848583 Romanian
22.01446343 Romanian_SouthMoldova
22.13083369 Greek_Peloponnese
22.39816287 Italian_Abruzzo
22.40382333 Bulgarian
Mingle
12-18-2019, 03:07 AM
Here's the new K13 Szekely average based off Kokeny, Kokeny's mother (hope Kokeny is okay with her being included), and the Szekely sample you just posted:
Szekely,28.49,26.83,13.47,8.75,14.06,2.15,1.15,0.8 9,2.32,0.9,0.78,0,0.13
Added two more results making the sample size a total of 5 people:
Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2.00,1.51,0.6 6,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
This is where I got the extra two samples from: 1 (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3539-Eurogenes-K13-Results&p=192969&viewfull=1#post192969) 2 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292811-Szekely-Hungarian-new-kit!)
Distances using the new Szekely average with 5 samples:
Distance to: Szekely
3.30811124 Csango_Gymes
4.56278424 Serbian
5.16177295 Serbian_Bosnia
5.84035958 Moldavian
5.93642990 Romanian_NorthMoldova
6.89392486 Hungarian
7.31385671 Szekely_Harghita
7.96418860 Croatian
8.81076614 Romanian
8.99591574 Romanian_SouthMoldova
11.49983478 Austrian
11.65757265 Romanian_Muntenia
11.87011373 Bulgarian
12.30238188 Czech
12.93463954 East_German
13.09271482 North_Macedonian
14.89479104 Ukrainian_Lviv
15.39200117 South_Polish
16.43844579 Ukrainian
18.21824909 West_German
18.30579963 Albanian
19.61244248 Polish
19.97872118 South_Dutch
20.11166577 Southwest_Russian
20.24377435 Cossacks_Kuban
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 06:00 AM
Eurogenes K13
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 7.7457% / 7.74573431 | ADC: 2x
100.0 South_Polish
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 7.6265% / 7.62645486 | ADC: 1x
98.2 South_Polish
1.8 Erzya
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 6.0494% / 6.04935123 | ADC: 0.5x
54.4 South_Polish
17.6 Lithuanian
16.6 Serbian_Bosnia
11.4 Erzya
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 4.1450% / 4.14501247 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Lithuanian
31.4 Romanian_NorthMoldova
8.0 Serbian_Bosnia
2.6 East_Finnish
1.2 Yemenite_Jewish
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 3.9422% / 3.94222161
61.6 Lithuanian
27.6 Romanian_NorthMoldova
4.6 East_Finnish
4.2 Yemenite_Jewish
2.0 Sardinian
Mingle
12-18-2019, 06:25 AM
I accept you as my fellow countryman. :D
Compared to the other four Szekler samples (including your mom), you seem to be a bit atypical. Your Baltic and NA scores are significantly different than that of other Szeklers. You get 23% Baltic while the four other Szekler samples range from 28-34% for example.
Here are the distances for you and your mom in case you're interested:
Distance to: Szekely_Harghita
6.57028919 Serbian
7.31385671 Szekely
8.68095041 Romanian
8.91351221 Csango_Gymes
10.28211554 Hungarian
10.44558759 Romanian_NorthMoldova
10.51534117 Romanian_SouthMoldova
10.59561230 Serbian_Bosnia
11.41228204 North_Macedonian
11.57418248 Romanian_Muntenia
11.97250600 Bulgarian
12.10280546 Austrian
12.97408571 Moldavian
14.61010951 West_German
14.67437222 Croatian
14.67741122 East_German
15.68618500 Albanian
16.13717138 French
16.55376090 South_Dutch
16.74727739 Czech
17.79896345 North_Italian
19.06300344 Greek_Thessaly
19.99565203 Portuguese
20.12848479 Tuscan
20.56283541 Spanish_Galicia
Distance to: Kokeny_mom
2.61333121 Szekely
3.69089420 Serbian
4.33343974 Csango_Gymes
5.08643293 Serbian_Bosnia
5.33487582 Romanian_NorthMoldova
6.37115374 Szekely_Harghita
7.52511129 Hungarian
7.55863083 Moldavian
7.98695186 Romanian_SouthMoldova
8.00615388 Romanian
9.38358141 Croatian
10.38082367 Romanian_Muntenia
11.14372020 Bulgarian
11.56461413 Austrian
11.89177368 North_Macedonian
13.25301852 Czech
13.28402800 East_German
16.40858617 Ukrainian_Lviv
16.67068085 South_Polish
17.07353508 Albanian
17.63673156 West_German
17.78807466 Ukrainian
19.36667757 South_Dutch
19.80282051 French
20.32069635 Greek_Thessaly
She gets it at a very close distance now. Are you planning on testing your father? I guess he'll have the most interesting results.
Kökény
12-18-2019, 06:37 AM
Compared to the other four Szekler samples (including your mom), you seem to be a bit atypical. Your Baltic and NA scores are significantly different than that of other Szeklers. You get 23% Baltic while the four other Szekler samples range from 28-34% for example.
Here are the distances for you and your mom in case you're interested:
Distance to: Szekely_Harghita
6.57028919 Serbian
7.31385671 Szekely
8.68095041 Romanian
8.91351221 Csango_Gymes
10.28211554 Hungarian
10.44558759 Romanian_NorthMoldova
10.51534117 Romanian_SouthMoldova
10.59561230 Serbian_Bosnia
11.41228204 North_Macedonian
11.57418248 Romanian_Muntenia
11.97250600 Bulgarian
12.10280546 Austrian
12.97408571 Moldavian
14.61010951 West_German
14.67437222 Croatian
14.67741122 East_German
15.68618500 Albanian
16.13717138 French
16.55376090 South_Dutch
16.74727739 Czech
17.79896345 North_Italian
19.06300344 Greek_Thessaly
19.99565203 Portuguese
20.12848479 Tuscan
20.56283541 Spanish_Galicia
Distance to: Kokeny_mom
2.61333121 Szekely
3.69089420 Serbian
4.33343974 Csango_Gymes
5.08643293 Serbian_Bosnia
5.33487582 Romanian_NorthMoldova
6.37115374 Szekely_Harghita
7.52511129 Hungarian
7.55863083 Moldavian
7.98695186 Romanian_SouthMoldova
8.00615388 Romanian
9.38358141 Croatian
10.38082367 Romanian_Muntenia
11.14372020 Bulgarian
11.56461413 Austrian
11.89177368 North_Macedonian
13.25301852 Czech
13.28402800 East_German
16.40858617 Ukrainian_Lviv
16.67068085 South_Polish
17.07353508 Albanian
17.63673156 West_German
17.78807466 Ukrainian
19.36667757 South_Dutch
19.80282051 French
20.32069635 Greek_Thessaly
She gets it at a very close distance now. Are you planning on testing your father? I guess he'll have the most interesting results.
Thank you so much! Somebody already told me that my baltic is suprisigly low, I guess it comes from my fathers side. I wanted to order a 23&me kit for myself, but actually I'm more curious about my father. So I will get one for him I think. :)
Nurzat
12-18-2019, 06:46 AM
Moldova region (northeast Romania) samples (named by county - unfortunately I cannot run Botosani county sample because he didn't accept the new terms of GedMATCH and his kit disappeared):
K13
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 0.3583% / 0.35831688
25.4 Cossacks_Kuban
21.8 North_Macedonian
15.4 Romanian_SouthMoldova
8.0 Belorussian
6.4 Sardinian
6.0 Greek_Chios
4.0 Southwest_Russian
2.8 Central_Greek
2.2 Romanian_NorthMoldova
1.8 Laz
1.6 Cyprian
1.2 Selkup
1.0 Estonian
1.0 Greek_Cappadocian
1.0 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
0.2 Greek_Cypriot
0.2 Greek_Trabzon
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 0.7130% / 0.71297398
15.4 Southwest_Finnish
15.2 Tuscan
12.8 Austrian
11.8 Belorussian
10.2 Albanian
8.8 Romanian_NorthMoldova
6.0 Lebanese_Christian
5.6 Cossacks_Kuban
4.6 Greek_Chios
2.4 East_Finnish
2.2 Greek_Cypriot
2.0 Greek_Cappadocian
1.6 Sardinian
0.8 Dolgan
0.6 Selkup
Target: Suceava
Distance: 0.3318% / 0.33182400
39.2 Ukrainian
13.8 Romanian_Muntenia
8.4 Romanian_SouthMoldova
7.2 Romanian_NorthMoldova
7.0 Sardinian
6.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
4.0 Tabassaran
3.6 French_Basque
3.0 Lezgin
2.2 Abhkasian
1.8 South_Polish
1.0 Estonian
0.8 Southeast_English
0.6 Balkar
0.6 Kalash
0.4 Malay
0.2 Mayan
0.2 Papuan
Target: Neamt
Distance: 0.5121% / 0.51209037
20.2 Romanian_NorthMoldova
18.4 Cossacks_Kuban
12.8 Belorussian
11.8 Laz
11.4 Greek_Chios
11.2 Serbian
9.4 Greek_Peloponnese
1.8 South_Polish
1.0 Sardinian
1.0 She
0.4 Xibo
0.2 Abhkasian
0.2 Austrian
0.2 Oroqen
Nurzat
12-18-2019, 06:51 AM
Moldova region (northeast Romania) samples (named by county - unfortunately I cannot run Botosani county sample because he didn't accept the new terms of GedMATCH and his kit disappeared):
K13 - REMOVED MOLDOVA AND ROMANIA FROM SOURCE
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 0.4091% / 0.40910933
25.2 North_Macedonian
16.4 Cossacks_Kuban
9.6 Greek_Chios
9.4 Southwest_Russian
9.2 Estonian
8.2 Sardinian
7.8 Bulgarian
6.4 Belorussian
3.0 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.4 Selkup
1.2 Greek_Trabzon
1.2 Laz
0.8 Greek_Cappadocian
0.2 Cyprian
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 0.7007% / 0.70069237
21.0 Albanian
16.4 Belorussian
15.2 Southwest_Finnish
12.8 Tuscan
11.0 Austrian
4.6 Greek_Chios
4.6 Lebanese_Christian
4.0 Serbian
3.4 Cossacks_Kuban
2.2 Cyprian
1.0 East_Finnish
1.0 Sardinian
0.8 Greek_Cappadocian
0.8 Selkup
0.6 Evens
0.4 Dolgan
0.2 Lebanese_Druze
Target: Suceava
Distance: 0.6817% / 0.68173689
55.0 Ukrainian
9.8 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.0 Sardinian
7.6 South_Polish
5.8 Southeast_English
5.6 North_Macedonian
4.4 Balkar
1.0 Spanish_Valencia
0.8 Szekely_Harghita
0.2 Kalash
0.2 Malay
0.2 Mayan
0.2 Papuan
0.2 Yoruban
Target: Neamt
Distance: 0.6119% / 0.61186662
18.0 Bulgarian
17.2 Cossacks_Kuban
15.4 Belorussian
12.4 Laz
11.0 Greek_Chios
9.4 Serbian
6.8 Serbian_Bosnia
4.4 Albanian
1.6 Sardinian
1.2 Finnish
1.0 Xibo
0.6 She
0.6 South_Polish
0.2 North_Ossetian
0.2 Yakut
Mingle
12-18-2019, 06:58 AM
K13 too
Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11.16,3.75,1.2 5,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
(There are Kökény results :) )Szekely_Harghita,30.48,23.21,13.58,8.88,14.74,1.4 9,1.61,1.03,2.96,0.74,1.00,0,0.30
Romanian_SouthMoldova,23.23,26.67,18.62,9.95,18.12 ,0,0,0.36,1.41,0.91,0.45,0.18,0.1
Romanian_NorthMoldova,24.55,30.75,16.28,8.27,16.48 ,0,0,0.8,2.09,0.38,0.25,0,0
Romanian_Muntenia,23.20,24.80,19.75,10.02,20.15,0, 0,0.7,1.75,0.27,0.45,0,02
What samples is the Romanian_NorthMoldova average based off of? Maybe you could consider adding Romanian_Suceava to it? Because they get it at a large distance even though its supposed to be their region. Or should Romanian_Suceava be its own region?
Distance to: Romanian_Suceava
2.32581169 Szekely
4.05896539 Serbian
4.42221664 Csango_Gymes
4.82701771 Serbian_Bosnia
5.30433785 Romanian_NorthMoldova
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.23066387 Szekely_Harghita
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
8.30111438 Romanian_SouthMoldova
9.05477222 Croatian
10.81473994 Romanian_Muntenia
11.00731575 Bulgarian
12.15221096 North_Macedonian
12.52177304 Austrian
13.35207849 Czech
14.04933806 East_German
15.99033458 Ukrainian_Lviv
16.37095294 South_Polish
17.36881976 Albanian
17.40860419 Ukrainian
18.88301353 West_German
20.21431671 Greek_Thessaly
20.57179866 Polish
20.66914367 South_Dutch
Their K13: Romanian_Suceava,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0
paradox
12-18-2019, 07:14 AM
K13 mine and my father's https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191218/591fb8c057aaa27ccd920e04db5cba31.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191218/87bbc2bad047e61f52eafa0c91b721d2.jpg
andre
12-18-2019, 07:36 AM
What samples is the Romanian_NorthMoldova average based off of? Maybe you could consider adding Romanian_Suceava to it? Because they get it at a large distance even though its supposed to be their region. Or should Romanian_Suceava be its own region?
Distance to: Romanian_Suceava
2.32581169 Szekely
4.05896539 Serbian
4.42221664 Csango_Gymes
4.82701771 Serbian_Bosnia
5.30433785 Romanian_NorthMoldova
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.23066387 Szekely_Harghita
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
8.30111438 Romanian_SouthMoldova
9.05477222 Croatian
10.81473994 Romanian_Muntenia
11.00731575 Bulgarian
12.15221096 North_Macedonian
12.52177304 Austrian
13.35207849 Czech
14.04933806 East_German
15.99033458 Ukrainian_Lviv
16.37095294 South_Polish
17.36881976 Albanian
17.40860419 Ukrainian
18.88301353 West_German
20.21431671 Greek_Thessaly
20.57179866 Polish
20.66914367 South_Dutch
Their K13: Romanian_Suceava,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0
This moldovan samples are so good in my opinion.
For northen moldova it’s good Neamt+Suceava (avarage) and for south moldova Vaslui+my south moldova.
andre
12-18-2019, 07:39 AM
@nurzat, could you post the Vaslui_1, Vaslui_2, neamt and suceava results (like, Vaslui,24.50,29.40...)
Thank you!
Mingle
12-18-2019, 07:52 AM
This moldovan samples are so good in my opinion.
For northen moldova it’s good Neamt+Suceava (avarage) and for south moldova Vaslui+my south moldova.
Did you include Suceava in your North Moldovan average? It doesn't seem like its included there, that's why I asked.
andre
12-18-2019, 08:00 AM
Did you include Suceava in your North Moldovan average? It doesn't seem like its included there, that's why I asked.
No.
Nurzat
12-18-2019, 08:21 AM
@nurzat, could you post the Vaslui_1, Vaslui_2, neamt and suceava results (like, Vaslui,24.50,29.40...)
Thank you!
added my Suceava as Suceava-1 and Mingle's Suceava as Suceava-2
K13
Vaslui-1,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0 .58,0.56,0,0
Vaslui-2,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86 ,0,0,0,0
Suceava-1,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0 .74,0.64,0,0.36
Suceava-2,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0
Neamt,21.38,27.17,14.71,13.65,16.38,2.64,0.06,1.68 ,1.96,0,0.39,0,0
Botosani,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1.2,0.4, 1.78,0,0,0,0
andre
12-18-2019, 09:07 AM
...
Carpatz
12-18-2019, 09:27 AM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/656804935647887361/unknown.png
andre
12-18-2019, 09:57 AM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/656804935647887361/unknown.png
Are you full romanian? Are you 100% from Maramures?
Maintenance
12-18-2019, 10:11 AM
Tested a few Swedish kits
https://i.imgur.com/xBf5clx.png
Dunai
12-18-2019, 10:12 AM
A little historical perspective about Csángós. Even if living rather close to one another there are two types of them: Moldavian Csángós, who are the Medieval Hungarian population of Moldavia, who mixed with Moldavians, Eastern Slavs and probably Cumans, and there are Gyimesi Csángós, who are in majority Székelys that migrated into Moldavia in the 18th century, and mixed with local Moldavian Csángós. I wonder how sure it is that the Csango_Gyimes sample in K13 is really of the Gyimesi type and not of the Moldavian type?
Lucas
12-18-2019, 10:14 AM
:)
Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.6416% / 2.64160132
49.8 Szekely_Harghita
37.4 North_German
12.8 Southwest_English
Leave this Szekely ref or not? Wht do you think?
Kökény
12-18-2019, 10:17 AM
A little historical perspective about Csángós. Even if living rather close to one another there are two types of them: Moldavian Csángós, who are the Medieval Hungarian population of Moldavia, who mixed with Moldavians, Eastern Slavs and probably Cumans, and there are Gyimesi Csángós, who are in majority Székelys that migrated into Moldavia in the 18th century, and mixed with local Moldavian Csángós. I wonder how sure it is that the Csango_Gyimes sample in K13 is really of the Gyimesi type and not of the Moldavian type?
True. I find the moldavian csángó dialect to be really interesting. It's truly are a form of older hungarian. Different than székely dialect.
Maintenance
12-18-2019, 10:18 AM
Leave this Szekely ref or not? Wht do you think?
How much different are Swedish and norwegian on this thing?
One of the swedish kits i ran is a friend of mine and hes from Jämtland county and he scored norwegian.
andre
12-18-2019, 10:25 AM
Leave this Szekely ref or not? Wht do you think?
Put this if you want.
Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2.00,1.51,0.6 6,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
It’s a average between 4/5 samples.
andre
12-18-2019, 10:29 AM
A little historical perspective about Csángós. Even if living rather close to one another there are two types of them: Moldavian Csángós, who are the Medieval Hungarian population of Moldavia, who mixed with Moldavians, Eastern Slavs and probably Cumans, and there are Gyimesi Csángós, who are in majority Székelys that migrated into Moldavia in the 18th century, and mixed with local Moldavian Csángós. I wonder how sure it is that the Csango_Gyimes sample in K13 is really of the Gyimesi type and not of the Moldavian type?
Gymesi csángók.
Dunai
12-18-2019, 10:33 AM
Gymesi csángók.
Cool, the Gyimesi Csángós suppose to be more closer to the Székelys, since they are basically an off-shoot of Székelys.
andre
12-18-2019, 10:35 AM
Cool, the Gyimesi Csángós suppose to be more closer to the Székelys, since they are basically an off-shoot of Székelys.
Basically Szekely with other Wallachian admix.
The Siret Csangos, most probably are genetically identical with other romanian people.
Kökény
12-18-2019, 10:43 AM
Flag of the moldavian csángos.
https://www.erdely.ma/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1re-csango-zaszloUntitled-attachment-00124.jpg
andre
12-18-2019, 10:44 AM
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
Ok, maybe not all but those with oracles and without few less used:)
Every calc has his own website with preinstaled oracle spreadsheet in SOURCE.
Just copy your results from Gedmatch for every calculator and paste them as comma separated values (in one line) in TARGET. And at the beginning add your name with comma (like in example below).
https://i.imgur.com/dDXWBBL.jpg
DISTANCE tab shows your distance to spreadsheet references.
SINGLE makes your oracles.
You can remove some references from SOURCE and make targeted runs in SINGLE, when you reload page they will be again added.
Also ADD DIST COL (ADC) function in SINGLE tab is very useful. It changes your results in some way.
I think interesting benefit is making multiple runs for many results at once (MULTI option)
ENJOY!
https://i.imgur.com/ktzNsQn.png
Lukasz, could you remove south_moldova and north_moldova and add this samples?
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova,23.66,27.39,16.45,1 0.42,16.41,2.00,0.2,0.56,2.15,0.37,0.35,0.04,0
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina,24.97,31.21,15.12, 9.58,13.13,1.48,1.49,0.47,1.74,0.54,0.25,0,0.12
Dunai
12-18-2019, 10:47 AM
Basically Szekely with other Wallachian admix.
The Siret Csangos, most probably are genetically identical with other romanian people.
This is the list of Gyimesi Csángó villages in Hungarian: Gyimesfelsőlok, Gyimesközéplok, Gyimesbükk, Magyarcsügés, Kostelek, Egerszék, Háromkút, Gyepece, Bükklok, Csobányos, Úzvölgye. Basically Csángós who are from any other locations are Moldavian Csángós.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 10:56 AM
How much different are Swedish and norwegian on this thing?
One of the swedish kits i ran is a friend of mine and hes from Jämtland county and he scored norwegian.
I didn't edit West and north Euro references and probably I won't. Maybe I will just add few new ones.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 10:58 AM
Lukasz, could you remove south_moldova and north_moldova and add this samples?
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova,23.66,27.39,16.45,1 0.42,16.41,2.00,0.2,0.56,2.15,0.37,0.35,0.04,0
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina,24.97,31.21,15.12, 9.58,13.13,1.48,1.49,0.47,1.74,0.54,0.25,0,0.12
Added, also those Szekely averages.
Luke35
12-18-2019, 11:07 AM
Leave this Szekely ref or not? Wht do you think?
YES!
Not only that, I'd like to see Kokeny and her mother added to Eurogenes K15. Kokeny, is that okay with you? If she doesn't mind, are you willing to add them Lukasz?
Lucas
12-18-2019, 11:20 AM
YES!
Not only that, I'd like to see Kokeny and her mother added to Eurogenes K15. Kokeny, is that okay with you? If she doesn't mind, are you willing to add them Lukasz?
This average was posted before:) I added.
andre
12-18-2019, 11:34 AM
My new results:
Serbian still strong. We need transylvanian romanian samples.
Distance to: K13
5.25476926 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
6.36360747 Serbian
6.80810546 Romanian_Oltenia
7.32516211 Serbian_Bosnia
7.71079114 Bulgarian
7.82883133 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
8.23652232 Romanian_Muntenia
8.43411525 Szekely
9.56461349 North_Macedonian
9.83250222 Csango_Gymes
10.86410144 Moldavian
13.36603905 Croatian
13.80887034 Hungarian
14.32474782 Albanian
16.42651211 Greek_Thessaly
18.28445515 Austrian
18.71121856 Czech
18.89516340 Greek_Peloponnese
19.77050328 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
19.97890888 East_German
20.02524657 Ukrainian_Lviv
20.73678857 South_Polish
21.23929848 Ukrainian
22.20744695 Tuscan
22.31111158 North_Italian
Target: K13
Distance: 2.3581% / 2.35807091 | ADC: 0.25x
54.2 Serbian_Bosnia
35.2 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
7.0 Yemenite_Jewish
2.4 Southwest_Russian
1.2 Lebanese_Druze
Target: K13
Distance: 3.5772% / 3.57721737 | ADC: 0.5x
63.4 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
32.8 Serbian_Bosnia
3.8 Yemenite_Jewish
Lucas
12-18-2019, 11:36 AM
Added to K13, academic samples:
Bosnian
Serbian Bosnia
Serbian (another ref)
Slovak
Slovenian
Montenegrin
Kosovar
Macednian
Greek_Macednian
Greek_Peloponese
Latvian
Russian_Pinega
andre
12-18-2019, 11:42 AM
Added to K13, academic samples:
Bosnian
Serbian Bosnia
Serbian (another ref)
Slovak
Slovenian
Montenegrin
Kosovar
Macednian
Greek_Macednian
Greek_Peloponese
Latvian
Russian_Pinega
No way, i'm serbian :)
4.79089861 Serbian_2
5.25476926 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
6.24445856 Macedonian
6.36360747 Serbian
6.47237572 Montenegrin
6.80810546 Romanian_Oltenia
7.17518474 Bosnian
7.71079114 Bulgarian
7.82883133 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
7.88712162 Serbian_Bosnia
8.23652232 Romanian_Muntenia
8.43411525 Szekely
9.56461349 North_Macedonian
9.83250222 Csango_Gymes
10.86410144 Moldavian
13.04815801 Slovenian
13.36603905 Croatian
13.80887034 Hungarian
13.98351803 Kosovar
14.32474782 Albanian
15.56970991 GR_Macedonia
16.42651211 Greek_Thessaly
16.56041470 Slovak
17.44973710 GR_Peloponese
18.28445515 Austrian
arget: K13
Distance: 3.7540% / 3.75398302 | ADC: 0.5x
90.6 Serbian_2
6.2 Bosnian
3.2 Yemenite_Jewish
Target: K13
Distance: 2.2768% / 2.27677814 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Serbian_2
8.4 Belorussian
7.0 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Southwest_Russian
Carpatz
12-18-2019, 11:50 AM
Are you full romanian? Are you 100% from Maramures?
Yes. Why?
Bakha
12-18-2019, 11:50 AM
Dodecad k7b for me:
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.3763% / 1.37625143 | ADC: 0.25x
36.0
Russian
29.8
C_Italian
21.4
Turkmens
6.6
Hazara
4.2
Uygur
2.0
Jatt
</tbody>
Carpatz
12-18-2019, 11:52 AM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/656839815500791808/unknown.png
Bakha
12-18-2019, 11:53 AM
Dodecad k7b for me:
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.3763% / 1.37625143 | ADC: 0.25x
36.0
Russian
29.8
C_Italian
21.4
Turkmens
6.6
Hazara
4.2
Uygur
2.0
Jatt
</tbody>
Horrible. Italian score for a half central asian? Bullshit. After deleting italian wog sample:
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.3950% / 1.39500179 | ADC: 0.25x
31.6
Turkmens
30.8
Russian
28.8
North_Italian
8.8
Hazara
</tbody>
Bakha
12-18-2019, 11:54 AM
Horrible. Italian score for a half central asian? Bullshit. After deleting italian wog sample:
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.3950% / 1.39500179 | ADC: 0.25x
31.6
Turkmens
30.8
Russian
28.8
North_Italian
8.8
Hazara
</tbody>
I HAVE NEVER HATED ITALIANS LIKE I DO NOW
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.1384% / 1.13843456 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4
Russian
26.4
S_Italian_Sicilian
21.6
Turkmens
8.2
Uygur
1.8
Jatt
1.6
Hazara
</tbody>
Bakha
12-18-2019, 12:01 PM
FKIN WOGS I WILL DELETE ALL ITALIAN MONKEYS FROM SOURCE
I HAVE NEVER HATED ITALIANS LIKE I DO NOW
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.1384% / 1.13843456 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4
Russian
26.4
S_Italian_Sicilian
21.6
Turkmens
8.2
Uygur
1.8
Jatt
1.6
Hazara
</tbody>
andre
12-18-2019, 12:05 PM
Yes. Why?
You could be a good sample for "Romanian_Maramures", if you want.
From which part of Maramures did your grand parents come?
Lucas
12-18-2019, 12:18 PM
No way, i'm serbian :)
4.79089861 Serbian_2
5.25476926 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
6.24445856 Macedonian
6.36360747 Serbian
6.47237572 Montenegrin
6.80810546 Romanian_Oltenia
7.17518474 Bosnian
7.71079114 Bulgarian
7.82883133 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
7.88712162 Serbian_Bosnia
8.23652232 Romanian_Muntenia
8.43411525 Szekely
9.56461349 North_Macedonian
9.83250222 Csango_Gymes
10.86410144 Moldavian
13.04815801 Slovenian
13.36603905 Croatian
13.80887034 Hungarian
13.98351803 Kosovar
14.32474782 Albanian
15.56970991 GR_Macedonia
16.42651211 Greek_Thessaly
16.56041470 Slovak
17.44973710 GR_Peloponese
18.28445515 Austrian
arget: K13
Distance: 3.7540% / 3.75398302 | ADC: 0.5x
90.6 Serbian_2
6.2 Bosnian
3.2 Yemenite_Jewish
Target: K13
Distance: 2.2768% / 2.27677814 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Serbian_2
8.4 Belorussian
7.0 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Southwest_Russian
It was academic:) Ok, I removed this shit.
Bakha
12-18-2019, 12:23 PM
Gedmatch is fkin outdated bullshit
<tbody>
Target: BakhaFather
Distance: 2.5450% / 2.54502748 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0
Uzbekistan_Jews
23.6
Hazara
15.2
Cypriots
9.4
Bnei_Menashe_Jews
8.0
Iraq_Jews
2.8
Ethiopians
</tbody>
How can I change color gradient for the distances?
Edit: figured it out.
Dunai
12-18-2019, 12:26 PM
Does Romania need like 10 regions or something? I feel like we are falling slightly to the other extreme by adding individual users to represent the average for an entire region. Maybe if there are like minimum 5-6 samples for a region a new cluster can be added. Also why do we need counties to appear separately? Regional breakdown for a country is preferable, and only if there really is any true difference between them: Northern, Southern, Western, Eastern. With the exception of ethnic enclaves within a country, which deserve a separate cluster.
andre
12-18-2019, 12:50 PM
Does Romania need like 10 regions or something? I feel like we are falling slightly to the other extreme by adding individual users to represent the average for an entire region. Maybe if there are like minimum 5-6 samples for a region a new cluster can be added. Also why do we need counties to appear separately? Regional breakdown for a country is preferable, and only if there really is any true difference between them: Northern, Southern, Western, Eastern. With the exception of ethnic enclaves within a country, which deserve a separate cluster.
And what’s wrong? We just try to help Lukasz with samples. In this forum we are a lot of balkanic/eastern european people.. we are all tired by “vague” results. I hope that k13 calculator gonna be incresed with a lot of regional balkanic or central europe genetic samples.
Lukasz, could you add NW Croatian reference based on Ph2ter and his family, as well as Varaždin sample I know you have?
Edit: call it North Croatian rather.
Duan
12-18-2019, 03:24 PM
No way I am closer to Slovenian and all these other people than to Serbian average.
Eurogenes K13
https://i.imgur.com/i6suqPk.jpg
@ Lukasz, why don't you use average from Poreklo I gave you?
Lucas
12-18-2019, 03:31 PM
And whats wrong? We just try to help Lukasz with samples. In this forum we are a lot of balkanic/eastern european people.. we are all tired by vague results. I hope that k13 calculator gonna be incresed with a lot of regional balkanic or central europe genetic samples.
I will react when the results will be too fragmented. Already removed new Serbian reference because was too "Romanian".
Szekely reference now is also from few samples, not one.
17571imre
12-18-2019, 03:42 PM
https://imgur.com/a/ijnR14t
I will react when the results will be too fragmented. Already removed new Serbian reference because was too "Romanian".
Szekely reference now is also from few samples, not one.
Do you have any samples from Chad?
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 03:45 PM
No way I am closer to Slovenian and all these other people than to Serbian average.
Eurogenes K13
https://i.imgur.com/i6suqPk.jpg
@ Lukasz, why don't you use average from Poreklo I gave you?
what do you get on EUtest? on pca you are closest to Serbian_Bosnia https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307348-Eurogenes-EUtest-3D-amp-2D-PCA&p=6344419&viewfull=1#post6344419
but show your nmonte3 oracle from vahaduo
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 04:09 PM
Add this Lithuanian A146377, Baltic 60.18
Lithuanian2,25.86,60.18,5.87,3.75,0.05,0.42,0.35 ,0.00,0.30,1.60,0.85,0.00,0.76
Duan
12-18-2019, 04:09 PM
what do you get on EUtest? on pca you are closest to Serbian_Bosnia https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307348-Eurogenes-EUtest-3D-amp-2D-PCA&p=6344419&viewfull=1#post6344419
but show your nmonte3 oracle from vahaduo
EUTest is better, because I am closer to Serbian average than to Croatian and Slovenian.
https://i.imgur.com/VNYYdne.jpg
I will make average of fully Dalmatian and BiH samples I have (Southern Croat), will post it here to be added when i's ready.
Duan
12-18-2019, 04:11 PM
Eurogenes K13
I added Serbian average from Poreklo forum.
Srbi-Poreklo,25.13,30.14,16.53,8.71,15.37,1.75,0.37,0.2 9,0.84,0.35,0.30,0.04,0.10
Now it has more sense for me - closer to Serbian average than to Croatians and Slovenians.
https://i.imgur.com/Zl8ZpEU.jpg
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 04:12 PM
Eurogenes K13
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 3.6691% / 3.66910548
57.8 Lithuanian2
15.2 Moroccan_Jew
13.0 East_Finnish
8.0 Romanian_Muntenia
6.0 Spanish_Valencia
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 4.8000% / 4.80002473 | ADC: 0.25x
42.2 South_Polish
26.6 Lithuanian2
14.6 Serbian_Bosnia
8.0 RU_Pinega
5.6 Romanian_Muntenia
3.0 Yemenite_Jewish
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 6.6546% / 6.65462699 | ADC: 0.5x
74.4 South_Polish
14.0 Erzya
7.0 Serbian_Bosnia
4.6 Lithuanian2
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 7.6265% / 7.62645486 | ADC: 1x
98.2 South_Polish
1.8 Erzya
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 7.7457% / 7.74573431 | ADC: 2x
100.0 South_Polish
Question: What's more accurate for Europeans. K13 or K15?
On k13 my mother is closest to Austrian but on K15 she is pretty far away from Austria (I think only 7. closest distance) and is much closer to (South Dutch, East German, North German etc.) Seems strange since both are considered to be pretty accurate.
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 04:17 PM
EUTest is better, because I am closer to Serbian average than to Croatian and Slovenian.
https://i.imgur.com/VNYYdne.jpg
I have seen many results where EUtest is just better than Eurogenes K13 and K15. I did not randomly chose it for my EUtest pca tool.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 04:18 PM
Lukasz, could you add NW Croatian reference based on Ph2ter and his family, as well as Varadin sample I know you have?
Edit: call it North Croatian rather.
Actually I don't have for K13 and K15 or forgot where I store it. Can you resend it?
Lucas
12-18-2019, 04:19 PM
No way I am closer to Slovenian and all these other people than to Serbian average.
@ Lukasz, why don't you use average from Poreklo I gave you?
Ok I will. Sorry forgot to add.
Duan
12-18-2019, 04:19 PM
but show your nmonte3 oracle from vahaduo
EUTest
https://i.imgur.com/mHfMNaj.jpg
EUTest is better than K13.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 04:22 PM
Do you have any samples from Chad?
:)))))))))) You mean from him? Nope.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u5T_mmh0Bgc/maxresdefault.jpg
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 04:23 PM
Eurogenes K13
Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 2.9205% / 2.92051818
55.2 Lithuanian2
11.4 Finnish
9.0 Spanish_Valencia
8.4 Moroccan_Jew
7.4 North_Swedish
7.4 Romanian_Muntenia
1.2 Lebanese_Druze
Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 3.9507% / 3.95068982 | ADC: 0.25x
78.2 South_Polish
16.8 Lithuanian2
2.4 Yemenite_Jewish
2.2 Finnish
0.4 Karitiana
Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 4.7160% / 4.71604878 | ADC: 0.5x
90.0 South_Polish
8.0 Lithuanian2
2.0 RU_Pinega
Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 5.4911% / 5.49113832 | ADC: 1x
100.0 South_Polish
Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 5.4911% / 5.49113832 | ADC: 2x
100.0 South_Polish
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 04:25 PM
Eurogenes K13
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 4.7706% / 4.77060124
63.8 Lithuanian2
9.4 Moroccan_Jew
8.4 East_Finnish
7.2 Romanian_Muntenia
5.0 Sardinian
4.4 Yemenite_Jewish
1.8 Yoruban
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 5.9969% / 5.99690112 | ADC: 0.25x
73.4 Southwest_Russian
16.0 Lithuanian2
10.0 Tunisian
0.6 Sardinian
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 6.9023% / 6.90225193 | ADC: 0.5x
95.0 Southwest_Russian
5.0 Tunisian
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 8.1789% / 8.17891672 | ADC: 1x
85.8 Southwest_Russian
14.2 Ukrainian
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 8.3200% / 8.31998197 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Southwest_Russian
Duan
12-18-2019, 04:27 PM
I have seen many results where EUtest is just better than Eurogenes K13 and K15. I did not randomly chose it for my EUtest pca tool.
Your EUTest pca tool is great. It should become more popular and more used than K15 pca.
Bakha
12-18-2019, 04:29 PM
Eurogenes K13
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 4.7706% / 4.77060124
63.8 Lithuanian2
9.4 Moroccan_Jew
8.4 East_Finnish
7.2 Romanian_Muntenia
5.0 Sardinian
4.4 Yemenite_Jewish
1.8 Yoruban
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 5.9969% / 5.99690112 | ADC: 0.25x
73.4 Southwest_Russian
16.0 Lithuanian2
10.0 Tunisian
0.6 Sardinian
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 6.9023% / 6.90225193 | ADC: 0.5x
95.0 Southwest_Russian
5.0 Tunisian
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 8.1789% / 8.17891672 | ADC: 1x
85.8 Southwest_Russian
14.2 Ukrainian
Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 8.3200% / 8.31998197 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Southwest_Russian
Cous cous
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 04:30 PM
Cous cous
Shawarma mans for life
Lucas
12-18-2019, 04:34 PM
@ Lukasz, why don't you use average from Poreklo I gave you?
Serbian average from Poreklo addded, check now.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 04:36 PM
If someone wonders which calc is most popular on Vahaduo.
https://i.imgur.com/IMVqTT5.png
Duan
12-18-2019, 04:37 PM
Serbian average from Poreklo addded, check now.
Great! :thumb001: It makes more sense.
https://i.imgur.com/oXodlpR.jpg
..
Please add this K13 average!
Southern_Croat,25.20,33.84,15.77,6.43,13.46,1.99,0 .67,0.37,0.82,0.66,0.11,0.02,0.28
I included only pure Dalmatian and BiH Croats that I know for 100% what they are. Also included some TA members samples like that of Ljubic's father.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 05:07 PM
Please add this K13 average!
Southern_Croat,25.20,33.84,15.77,6.43,13.46,1.99,0 .67,0.37,0.82,0.66,0.11,0.02,0.28
added
This is how it plots:
Distance to: Southern_Croat
2.66966992 Serbian_Bosnia
3.52294706 Bosnian
4.39005695 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.76859518 Moldavian
4.84614116 Serbian_new
5.47492466 Croatian
5.92794825 Slovenian
6.01754934 Csango_Gymes
6.12022058 Szekely
8.44426433 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
Rgvgjhvv
12-18-2019, 05:15 PM
Would it be worth it to create a calculator that removes any regional results, and focus on which ethnic groups (countries) we'd be closest to, or do you think that's useless?
For example, my Top 10 is all Greek, Italian and Jewish, only different regions of each one.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 05:17 PM
This is how it plots:
Distance to: Southern_Croat
2.66966992 Serbian_Bosnia
3.52294706 Bosnian
4.39005695 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.76859518 Moldavian
4.84614116 Serbian_new
5.47492466 Croatian
5.92794825 Slovenian
6.01754934 Csango_Gymes
6.12022058 Szekely
8.44426433 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
Someone could say original Moldavian reference is wrong, but user added North Moldova is even closer to West Balkan. It is real.
17571imre
12-18-2019, 05:18 PM
Target: MH
Distance: 0.5684% / 0.56838713
Southeast_English 18.4
Albanian 16.6
North_Macedonian 13.0
South_Polish 12.8
Romanian_Muntenia 12.0
Southwest_Finnish 5.6
East_Finnish 4.8
Spanish_Valencia 4.6
GR_Peloponese 3.6
Serbian_Bosnia 2.6
Belorussian 2.2
North_Italian 1.8
Sardinian 1.4
Lebanese_Druze 0.6
Target: MH
Distance: 1.1451% / 1.14508419 | ADC: 0.25x
Hungarian 32.8
Serbian_new 16.8
Montenegrin 15.2
Romanian_Muntenia 9.2
Spanish_Valencia 8.6
French 7.0
Szekely 5.4
West_German 5.0
Target: MH
Distance: 2.2182% / 2.21819205 | ADC: 0.5x
Montenegrin 42.4
Austrian 21.2
Szekely 18.8
French 10.2
Hungarian 6.8
Spanish_Cataluna 0.6
Target: MH
Distance: 3.8441% / 3.84414397 | ADC: 1x
Szekely 40.0
Montenegrin 34.8
Austrian 25.2
Target: MH
Distance: 6.4005% / 6.40052342 | ADC: 2x
Szekely 100.0
https://imgur.com/a/yDnPZUB
New results for my dad don't make sense. He is pure Croat by origin and until now clustered with Croatian average everywhere.
Distance to: Tata
3.59145340 Serbian_Bosnia
3.99396854 Slovenian
4.77263030 Szekely
4.91140509 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.99816660 Bosnian
5.10616294 Southern_Croat
5.46942410 Hungarian
5.60133913 Csango_Gymes
5.66262293 Serbian_new
5.72463099 Moldavian
5.73887620 Croatian
7.98850161 Slovak
8.76977195 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
9.53236166 Montenegrin
9.84148363 Czech
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 05:18 PM
We need transylvanian romanian samples.
there are academic samples from Apuseni
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 05:21 PM
Would it be worth it to create a calculator that removes any regional results, and focus on which ethnic groups (countries) we'd be closest to, or do you think that's useless?
For example, my Top 10 is all Greek, Italian and Jewish, only different regions of each one.
it's not calculator, this is nmonte3 oracle, you can delete any references in "source" tab and run it with just selected populations.
Bosnian Serb average clusters too northern, it's closer to Bosniaks and southern Croats than to Serb average, even to new Serb average.
Now my father appears to be Serb. Fucking bullshit!
https://media.giphy.com/media/143cE5FtVmKrNC/giphy.gif
He has nothing to do with Serbs. Zero, nulla, 0.
Zmey Gorynych
12-18-2019, 05:25 PM
So you're creating new averages?
I refuse to take further part in discussion until more realistic averages are added.
WeirdLookingFellow
12-18-2019, 05:26 PM
So much new stuff
Target: Fellow
Distance: 3.7781% / 3.77814527 | ADC: 0.5x
60.2 Romanian_Muntenia
19.0 Montenegrin
9.8 French
9.2 Hungarian
1.8 West_German
Target: Fellow
Distance: 2.9793% / 2.97932177 | ADC: 0.25x
65.0 Romanian_Muntenia
21.6 Hungarian
8.6 Spanish_Valencia
3.6 Southeast_English
1.0 Yemenite_Jewish
0.2 Karitiana
Target: Fellow
Distance: 2.1741% / 2.17406942
48.0 Romanian_Muntenia
15.6 Ashkenazi
11.8 Spanish_Valencia
11.4 Southwest_Finnish
6.8 Belorussian
5.8 Southeast_English
0.6 Karitiana
Distance to: Fellow
5.89078981 Montenegrin
6.66183909 Romanian_Oltenia
6.71412690 Romanian_Muntenia
6.87212942 Macedonian
7.47320547 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
7.77219604 North_Macedonian
7.79717979 Serbian_new
8.85023728 Bulgarian
9.22117671 Szekely
9.67309865 Serbian_Bosnia
10.12448102 Bosnian
10.22803989 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.82456928 Csango_Gymes
11.31946112 Southern_Croat
12.17555378 Kosovar
12.29712161 Albanian
12.92885532 Hungarian
13.16544716 Slovenian
13.50722399 Moldavian
15.26827430 Croatian
15.41376333 Austrian
15.91270876 Greek_Thessaly
16.10087265 North_Italian
16.79286753 GR_Macedonia
17.40977788 Slovak
EUTest
Distance to: Fellow
6.33497435 Romanian
6.65052629 Serbian
8.12463384 SerbianBosnia
9.19462887 Bulgarian_1
10.07238303 Hungarian
10.46748776 Moldavian_1
11.60507217 Austrian
12.08587192 Slovenian_1
12.58973348 Croatian
12.71368947 Kosovar_1
13.66333781 Albanian_1
15.68702649 North_Italian
15.88413556 Czech
16.31227452 Slovakian_1
19.43561679 Tuscan
19.55901838 French
20.06746122 West_&_Central_German
20.68887624 Portugese
21.66946238 Ukrainian
21.77574798 Polish
21.83511392 Dutch
22.65796328 spanish
23.53265391 Ukrainian-Russian
24.10525876 English
24.21803873 Cornish
Target: Fellow
Distance: 4.4388% / 4.43881311 | ADC: 0.5x
50.6 Romanian
39.0 SerbianBosnia
10.4 North_Italian
Target: Fellow
Distance: 4.1168% / 4.11678672 | ADC: 0.25x
48.0 SerbianBosnia
36.2 Romanian
8.4 Tuscan
6.8 North_Italian
0.6 Sardinian
Target: Fellow
Distance: 3.5728% / 3.57279974
42.2 Slovakian_1
30.0 Romanian
11.8 North_Italian
6.0 Sardinian
5.8 Druze
3.8 Tuscan
0.2 Chinese
0.2 Yoruba
Duan
12-18-2019, 05:27 PM
I refuse to take further part in discussion until more realistic averages are added.
Good bye!
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 05:27 PM
Bosnian Serb average clusters too northern, it's closer to Bosniaks and southern Croats than to Serb average, even to new Serb average.
Now my father appears to be Serb. Fucking bullshit!
https://media.giphy.com/media/143cE5FtVmKrNC/giphy.gif
He has nothing to do with Serbs. Zero, nulla, 0.
Lol, you are all the same shutup
K13 is shit too, you can't fix something that foundation is already broken because is popular calc or some shit, Gedrosia K12 post that for your real result by Dilawer Khan
Good bye!
Serbian OWD, adding Serb averages to push your wog tribe closer to Croats. Fuck you and manipulative Servs. This fake average that was added is miles apart from academic Serb samples.
andre
12-18-2019, 05:29 PM
Would it be worth it to create a calculator that removes any regional results, and focus on which ethnic groups (countries) we'd be closest to, or do you think that's useless?
For example, my Top 10 is all Greek, Italian and Jewish, only different regions of each one.
Genetics don’t follow national borders.
Duan
12-18-2019, 05:30 PM
Serbian OWD, adding Serb averages to push your wog tribe closer to Croats. Fuck you and manipulative Servs. This fake average that was added is miles apart from academic Serb samples.
Good bye bitch. I don't fucking care about Croats.
Average from Poreklo is real Serbian average, and I am closer to them than to Croats.
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 05:30 PM
Serbian OWD, adding Serb averages to push your wog tribe closer to Croats. Fuck you and manipulative Servs. This fake average that was added is miles apart from academic Serb samples.
in EUtest, SerbianBosnia is from academic samples
Rgvgjhvv
12-18-2019, 05:31 PM
it's not calculator, this is nmonte3 oracle, you can delete any references in "source" tab and run it with just selected populations.
That's true I guess. It'd be hard/inaccurate though because the ethnicities wouldn't be averaged from each region.
Good bye bitch. I don't fucking care about Croats.
Average from Poreklo is real Serbian average, and I am closer to them than to Croats.
I don't care for your disgusting people, remove BiH Serb average because it's fake.
in EUtest, SerbianBosnia is from academic samples
Where is CroatianBosnia and Bosniak samples? Don't add Bosnian Serbs if you don't have other BiH populations too.
And Serb academic samples are also official, yet Serbs call them outdated and add amateur one because they don't like academic samples.
I want Serb_Bosnia sample removed or it can remain only if Bosniak and BiH_Croat academic samples are added.
andre
12-18-2019, 05:33 PM
there are academic samples from Apuseni
I know! But some have strange results.
Duan
12-18-2019, 05:34 PM
I don't care for your disgusting people, remove BiH Serb average because it's fake.
Remove your autistic face and hpv pussy from this forum finally.
Go away damn Croat.
Remove your autistic face and hpv pussy from this forum finally.
Go away damn Croat.
Only when Serbs are gone. My father is never close to Serb subhumans, on any calculator until now. I will be gone when your lies and manipulation stop, until than fuck you.
WeirdLookingFellow
12-18-2019, 05:35 PM
Genetics dont follow national borders.
Internal migrations don't make some regional averages relevant either.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 05:37 PM
Where is CroatianBosnia and Bosniak samples? Don't add Bosnian Serbs if you don't have other BiH populations too.
And Serb academic samples are also official, yet Serbs call them outdated and add amateur one because they don't like academic samples.
I want Serb_Bosnia sample removed or it can remain only if Bosniak and BiH_Croat academic samples are added.
No problem:)
I added K13 and K15 original spreadsheet version now besides updated ones.
K13 updated http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm
K13 old http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
K15 updated http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm
K15 old http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo_original.htm
Choose the rigth one.
CommonSense
12-18-2019, 05:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PRIgbSm.png
Dunai
12-18-2019, 05:40 PM
And what’s wrong? We just try to help Lukasz with samples. In this forum we are a lot of balkanic/eastern european people.. we are all tired by “vague” results. I hope that k13 calculator gonna be incresed with a lot of regional balkanic or central europe genetic samples.
I agree, if more data is being collected for a later addition, I see no problem in posting reference samples, but I don't think this has to be rushed right at this moment and add something like Romanian_SouthCentralMoldova, or something like that. What does this even suppose to mean, and is it really that different from the rest of Western Moldavia? Genetics should seek to be as scientifically accurate as possible, and even if such calculators cannot pretend to be exact science, but academic sources should always have priority, or many individual sources, so a more reasonable average aggregate can be created. Ideally minimum 10 people with 8/8 grandparents originating from the same region and ethnicity should be the threshold to introduce of new populace to the calculator, even somewhat less would not be a problem if they fit this requirement, but 1 or 2 individuals should not be enough to add a region or country to the calculator. This would only create misleading results.
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 05:41 PM
Where the fuck is Grenzmark average in this oracle ? :)
https://i.imgur.com/7UEI1s1.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iaEUWHVI2Y
Where is real Polish samples? In Cumansky matchlist not on GEDmatch
Duan
12-18-2019, 05:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PRIgbSm.png
Great! :thumb001:
It is clear that new Serbian average is reliable and accurate.
CommonSense
12-18-2019, 05:44 PM
Great! :thumb001:
It is clear that new Serbian average is reliable and accurate.
It's fits me better despite that the new average has a bit higher 'northern' score. That is because the North Atlantic is now lower than what the original calculator deemed as average. It was 27%, which is certainly more than what most Serbs get.
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 05:45 PM
I don't care for your disgusting people, remove BiH Serb average because it's fake.
it's 31% Baltic, like Dick's dad
Rgvgjhvv
12-18-2019, 05:45 PM
Genetics dont follow national borders.
Internal migrations don't make some regional averages relevant either.
I think regional differences aren't totally important/legitimate either. Whether a certain region has minor migration from who-knows-where in comparison to another region of the country, doesn't make one any more or less that ethnicity. So it's kind of irrelevant, except to those who are perfectionists maybe.
I think for hobbyists it would be fun to see ethnic averages overall in an oracle. That way it'll give you a more general idea of which way your genetics kind of sway toward.
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 05:46 PM
You are 1/2 ethnic Ukrainian and 1/2 Polish from Ukraine.
I am Polish more than you, lol, western Ukraine was not Poland in 1939?
andre
12-18-2019, 05:47 PM
Where the heck is Grenzmark average in this oracle ? :)
https://i.imgur.com/7UEI1s1.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iaEUWHVI2Y
For you guys it's probably funny see the balkanic people trying to find little regional differences.. but,yeah, welcome to the Balkans! :)
Distance to: Feiichy
4.75140119 Slovenian
5.82050685 Hungarian
6.06550905 Croatian
6.24804770 Moldavian
6.68282407 Serbian_Bosnia
6.74792561 Szekely
6.82038122 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
7.43609440 Csango_Gymes
7.53112094 Bosnian
7.80865276 Slovak
8.14701172 Southern_Croat
8.46575614 Serbian_new
9.12703128 Austrian
9.16560418 Czech
9.81777979 East_German
10.84686130 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
11.52710552 Montenegrin
12.21472881 South_Polish
12.25403199 Ukrainian_Lviv
13.13492672 Romanian_Oltenia
13.61001102 Ukrainian
14.01457170 Macedonian
15.39947726 Romanian_Muntenia
16.04670371 Bulgarian
16.45724764 Polish
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 05:48 PM
You are 1/2 ethnic Ukrainian and 1/2 Polish from Ukraine.
And my Polish side is South Polish, not Polish that automatically make me more Polish than you even if I was only 1% South Polish
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 05:49 PM
nice, i'm finally not Moldavian anymore
https://i.imgur.com/dUr5vQv.png
WeirdLookingFellow
12-18-2019, 05:50 PM
I think regional differences aren't totally important/legitimate either. Whether a certain region has minor migration from who-knows-where in comparison to another region of the country, doesn't make one any more or less that ethnicity. So it's kind of irrelevant, except to those who are perfectionists maybe.
I think for hobbyists it would be fun to see ethnic averages overall in an oracle. That way it'll give you a more general idea of which way your genetics kind of sway toward.
Unfortunately it seems that the samples gathered on this forum are not worse than the academic ones. Let us remember that out of the 9 or so Moldova samples, 2 were straight Belorussian/W Russian and one was a Gypsy-Russian mix.
At the same time, the G25 Moldova samples are too southern, even more southern than Romania, which, I say, is plainly impossible.
So I am Slovenian and my father is Bosnian Serb? Sounds legit ahaha. Especially considering my mother is very similar to him.
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 05:51 PM
nice, i'm finally not Moldavian anymore
https://i.imgur.com/dUr5vQv.png
By 1.31% wow what a difference
You are born again! New man!
Lucas
12-18-2019, 05:53 PM
BTW I didn't add MDLP K16 because on Gedmatch it lacks regional designations for references (in spreadsheet only, in oracle there are). For example Polish is two times and so on. Someone has it?
Rgvgjhvv
12-18-2019, 05:53 PM
Unfortunately it seems that the samples gathered on this forum are not worse than the academic ones. Let us remember that out of the 9 or so Moldova samples, 2 were straight Belorussian/W Russian and one was a Gypsy-Russian mix.
At the same time, the G25 Moldova samples are too southern, even more southern than Romania, which, I say, is plainly impossible.
Ah I see what you mean. So use 7/9 then as the Moldovan average? Haha
BTW I didn't add MDLP K16 because on Gedmatch it lacks regional designations for references. For example Polish is two times and so on. Someone has it?
That's such good calculator, on gedmatch it has designations...
andre
12-18-2019, 05:54 PM
Distance to: K13
5.25476926 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.72958973 Serbian_new
6.24445856 Macedonian
6.47237572 Montenegrin
6.80810546 Romanian_Oltenia
7.17518474 Bosnian
7.71079114 Bulgarian
7.82883133 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
7.88712162 Serbian_Bosnia
8.23652232 Romanian_Muntenia
8.43411525 Szekely
8.61223548 Southern_Croat
9.56461349 North_Macedonian
9.83250222 Csango_Gymes
10.86410144 Moldavian
13.04815801 Slovenian
13.36603905 Croatian
13.80887034 Hungarian
13.98351803 Kosovar
14.32474782 Albanian
15.56970991 GR_Macedonia
16.42651211 Greek_Thessaly
16.56041470 Slovak
17.44973710 GR_Peloponese
18.28445515 Austrian
Lucas
12-18-2019, 05:54 PM
That's such good calculator, on gedmatch it has designations...
Not in spreadsheet. Only in oracle results.
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 05:55 PM
.
the title of this thread should be different, something like
"nmonte3 oracle for Gedmatch calculator results, on-line tool"
or
"Gedmatch calculator spreadsheets on Vahaduo ON-LINE (nmonte3 oracle)"
Moje ime
12-18-2019, 05:57 PM
After new update I'm Hungarian :lol:
https://i.imgur.com/K8R5YlV.png
https://i.imgur.com/n5mKeys.png
Distance to: Mother
4.20280846 Slovenian
4.67219435 Csango_Gymes
4.82016597 Szekely
5.09620324 Serbian_Bosnia
5.13953305 Moldavian
5.32759796 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.55037837 Croatian
5.57562553 Hungarian
5.91120202 Bosnian
6.53549539 Southern_Croat
6.97698655 Serbian_new
7.93929688 Slovak
9.39939360 Austrian
9.49212832 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
9.61166999 Czech
10.10029018 Montenegrin
10.32937075 East_German
11.82427165 Romanian_Oltenia
12.34042949 Ukrainian_Lviv
12.69061768 Macedonian
12.86064928 South_Polish
14.11099926 Ukrainian
14.65982265 Romanian_Muntenia
14.84864977 Bulgarian
16.00813485 North_Macedonian
???
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 05:58 PM
By 1.31% wow what a difference
You are born again! New man!
you are right, i'm still your Vlach brother
Duan
12-18-2019, 06:00 PM
After new update I'm Hungarian :lol:
https://i.imgur.com/K8R5YlV.png
https://i.imgur.com/n5mKeys.png
Still very close to average. New average is much better than old one.
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:01 PM
Where is CroatianBosnia and Bosniak samples? Don't add Bosnian Serbs if you don't have other BiH populations too.
And Serb academic samples are also official, yet Serbs call them outdated and add amateur one because they don't like academic samples.
I want Serb_Bosnia sample removed or it can remain only if Bosniak and BiH_Croat academic samples are added.
those samples are blocked now after this last gedmatch fuckup. someone should reupload them.
Dunai
12-18-2019, 06:01 PM
For example even if Hungarians are spread out today in many countries and live separately for over 100 years, with the exception of Székelys and Csángós, in case they have purely Hungarian grandparents, who were born before the dismantle of Historic Hungary, they tend to have similar averages. I honestly wouldn't see the scientific legitimacy of creating various Hungarian sub-groups, as one Hungarian coordinate, based on an aggregate of dozens of unmixed, 3rd generation Hungarians should be plenty enough. I just barely miss this threshold as I'm only 7/8th Hungarian.
Moje ime
12-18-2019, 06:02 PM
Still very close to average. New average is much better than old one.
For me is bad. Previously I got Serbian as closest distance as I always get on all other calculators. My result shouldn't be out of average.
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 06:04 PM
This calculator should be started from scratch then will be excellent calc
Debate the samples, pick the right one, remove the unnecessary, use averages or representative individuals, but too much ego for that I think still
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 06:05 PM
My new K13
Distance to: ph2ter
3.30109073 Czech
4.09696749 Slovak
5.26153970 Hungarian
5.94740631 Slovenian
6.04093536 East_German
7.13595824 Croatian
7.33124819 Austrian
8.02059225 South_Polish
9.16689697 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.83138851 Csango_Gymes
10.31146934 Moldavian
10.58923510 Ukrainian
10.76851893 Szekely
11.03357093 Serbian_Bosnia
11.28085546 Southern_Croat
11.64632560 Polish
11.79685975 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
12.10448192 Bosnian
12.95402640 Cossacks_Kuban
13.66042453 Serbian_new
14.63608896 Southwest_Finnish
14.68577203 North_Swedish
14.99077383 Southwest_Russian
15.19659172 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.20328254 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: ph2terWife
4.94454245 Hungarian
5.54556617 Slovak
5.59329062 Czech
5.95002152 Slovenian
6.99735664 Croatian
7.07202941 East_German
7.58989460 Austrian
9.20980456 Moldavian
9.38082086 South_Polish
9.45644225 Csango_Gymes
9.54747611 Szekely
10.25027987 Serbian_Bosnia
10.32079939 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.48908957 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.94615896 Bosnian
10.98544492 Southern_Croat
11.67458779 Ukrainian
12.59427018 Serbian_new
13.37600090 Polish
14.83489467 Cossacks_Kuban
15.18372813 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.80871203 Montenegrin
15.84958359 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.96662770 Southwest_Russian
16.31771124 West_German
Distance to: ph2ter_son
4.59373486 Hungarian
4.74496376 Slovak
5.03326932 Czech
5.32984177 Slovenian
6.40675425 Croatian
7.10707394 East_German
7.57825838 Austrian
8.64141192 Csango_Gymes
8.94076059 Moldavian
8.95268116 South_Polish
9.28676478 Szekely
9.70181426 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.75899521 Serbian_Bosnia
10.29497450 Southern_Croat
10.30640092 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.66251953 Bosnian
11.22934103 Ukrainian
12.25784349 Serbian_new
12.83733228 Polish
14.08923703 Cossacks_Kuban
14.98089116 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.51730325 Southwest_Russian
15.51946520 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.63251800 Montenegrin
16.13654238 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: ph2ter_dad
3.14369210 Hungarian
3.54384966 Slovenian
4.01496675 Slovak
4.84460525 Czech
5.77493723 Croatian
7.15582979 East_German
7.39585019 Csango_Gymes
7.43113719 Austrian
7.94935768 Serbian_Bosnia
8.19029914 Szekely
8.21330019 Southern_Croat
8.69200782 Moldavian
9.26751186 Bosnian
9.30230617 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
9.30390778 South_Polish
10.32405928 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.63114689 Serbian_new
11.42524836 Ukrainian
13.39164292 Polish
13.81767347 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
14.38425941 Montenegrin
14.94505938 Cossacks_Kuban
15.82353627 Southwest_Russian
16.12289676 Romanian_Oltenia
16.31798394 Ukrainian_Belgorod
Duan
12-18-2019, 06:05 PM
nice, i'm finally not Moldavian anymore
https://i.imgur.com/dUr5vQv.png
4th Serb who think that new average is better. :thumb001:
I like my Moldovan no1. :)
It's important that now new Serbian is before Croatian.
https://i.imgur.com/oXodlpR.jpg
Lucas
12-18-2019, 06:06 PM
For me is bad. Previously I got Serbian as closest distance as I always get on all other calculators. My result shouldn't be out of average.
Thera are added original K15 and K13, besides updated. Open again http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh
This updated calculator is absolute disaster for Croats, as seen with what we get now. But Serbs are happy, that matters most :thumb001:
:puke:
Lucas
12-18-2019, 06:09 PM
My new K13
I remember you had it. Can you share NW Croat average for K13 or K15? Or other Croat regional to makes Feiichy happy:)
Duan
12-18-2019, 06:09 PM
For me is bad. Previously I got Serbian as closest distance as I always get on all other calculators. My result shouldn't be out of average.
No, it's not bad. You got 2nd Serbian.
It is very close to average.
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:11 PM
I know! But some have strange results.
what do they score in k13?
one of them plots like a Serb, he could have some Hungarian admixture pulling him north. but that's probably normal for the region
it's 31% Baltic, like Dick's dad
So does mine, and?
He is typical Croat everywhere.
You always try to push your average as north as possible, and your amateur samples from Poreklo are based on dozens of Serbs mostly with ancestry from west of Serbia.
Fine, now I will make new Croatian average based on all tested Croats. I can play too.
And I don't mind your new average, I mind that from Bosnia which is utter crap.
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 06:12 PM
My new K13
Distance to: ph2ter
3.30109073 Czech
4.09696749 Slovak
5.26153970 Hungarian
5.94740631 Slovenian
6.04093536 East_German
7.13595824 Croatian
7.33124819 Austrian
8.02059225 South_Polish
9.16689697 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.83138851 Csango_Gymes
10.31146934 Moldavian
10.58923510 Ukrainian
10.76851893 Szekely
11.03357093 Serbian_Bosnia
11.28085546 Southern_Croat
11.64632560 Polish
11.79685975 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
12.10448192 Bosnian
12.95402640 Cossacks_Kuban
13.66042453 Serbian_new
14.63608896 Southwest_Finnish
14.68577203 North_Swedish
14.99077383 Southwest_Russian
15.19659172 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.20328254 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: ph2terWife
4.94454245 Hungarian
5.54556617 Slovak
5.59329062 Czech
5.95002152 Slovenian
6.99735664 Croatian
7.07202941 East_German
7.58989460 Austrian
9.20980456 Moldavian
9.38082086 South_Polish
9.45644225 Csango_Gymes
9.54747611 Szekely
10.25027987 Serbian_Bosnia
10.32079939 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.48908957 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.94615896 Bosnian
10.98544492 Southern_Croat
11.67458779 Ukrainian
12.59427018 Serbian_new
13.37600090 Polish
14.83489467 Cossacks_Kuban
15.18372813 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.80871203 Montenegrin
15.84958359 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.96662770 Southwest_Russian
16.31771124 West_German
Distance to: ph2ter_son
4.59373486 Hungarian
4.74496376 Slovak
5.03326932 Czech
5.32984177 Slovenian
6.40675425 Croatian
7.10707394 East_German
7.57825838 Austrian
8.64141192 Csango_Gymes
8.94076059 Moldavian
8.95268116 South_Polish
9.28676478 Szekely
9.70181426 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.75899521 Serbian_Bosnia
10.29497450 Southern_Croat
10.30640092 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.66251953 Bosnian
11.22934103 Ukrainian
12.25784349 Serbian_new
12.83733228 Polish
14.08923703 Cossacks_Kuban
14.98089116 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.51730325 Southwest_Russian
15.51946520 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.63251800 Montenegrin
16.13654238 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: ph2ter_dad
3.14369210 Hungarian
3.54384966 Slovenian
4.01496675 Slovak
4.84460525 Czech
5.77493723 Croatian
7.15582979 East_German
7.39585019 Csango_Gymes
7.43113719 Austrian
7.94935768 Serbian_Bosnia
8.19029914 Szekely
8.21330019 Southern_Croat
8.69200782 Moldavian
9.26751186 Bosnian
9.30230617 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
9.30390778 South_Polish
10.32405928 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.63114689 Serbian_new
11.42524836 Ukrainian
13.39164292 Polish
13.81767347 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
14.38425941 Montenegrin
14.94505938 Cossacks_Kuban
15.82353627 Southwest_Russian
16.12289676 Romanian_Oltenia
16.31798394 Ukrainian_Belgorod
what do you get on EUtest? actually post your EUtest ver.1 unsorted admix results, I want to see where you plot on pca
Bakha
12-18-2019, 06:13 PM
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 3.7789% / 3.77885862 | ADC: 0.5x
38.6
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
33.8
Tatar
9.2
Tadjik
6.8
Romani
6.4
Nogay
5.2
Turkmen
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.2657% / 2.26570107 | ADC: 0.25x
34.0
Tatar
19.2
Turkmen
18.8
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
15.2
Bosnian
7.6
Romani
3.8
Lezgin
1.2
Kumyk
0.2
Biaka_Pygmy
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 0.5445% / 0.54453517
24.4
Romanian_Muntenia
19.4
Turkmen
16.4
Southwest_Russian
6.6
Estonian
5.2
Lezgin
5.0
Erzya
3.6
Tabassaran
2.4
Selkup
2.2
Mari
1.8
Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.6
Kol
1.6
Ukrainian
1.6
Uygur
1.4
Pathan
1.2
Kshatriya
0.8
Ket
0.6
Shors
0.6
Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4
Bantu_S.E.
0.4
Biaka_Pygmy
0.4
Dai
0.4
Kargopol_Russian
0.4
Naxi
0.4
North_Amerindian
0.2
Danish
0.2
Kanjar
0.2
Mbuti_Pygmy
0.2
Oroqen
0.2
Tujia
0.2
West_Greenlander
</tbody>
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:13 PM
So does mine, and?
He is typical Croat everyhwere.
You always try to push your average as north as possible, and your amateur samples from Poreklo are based on dozens of Serbs mostly with ancestry from west of Serbia.
Fine, now I will make new Croatian average based on all tested Croats. I can play too.
And I don't mind your new average, I mind that from Bosnia which is utter crap.
your dad gets 31% Baltic?
CommonSense
12-18-2019, 06:13 PM
So does mine, and?
He is typical Croat everyhwere.
You always try to push your average as north as possible, and your amateurs samples from Poreklo are based on dozens of Serbs mostly with ancestry from west of Serbia.
Fine, now I will make new Croatian average based on all tested Croats. I can play too.
The difference between the poreklo average and the old average is mostly in the Baltic/NA ratio.
your dad gets 31% Baltic?
Yes.
The difference between the poreklo average and the old average is mostly in the Baltic/NA ratio.
I don't mind that average as it's good. I mind the Bosnian Serb one.
It's also bizzare me and my mother are closer to Slovenians than Ph2ter is.
Bakha
12-18-2019, 06:17 PM
Ok on dodecad i am quarter Sicilian Mena Monkey on updated k13 i am more than quarter Impaler. Cool story, ХУЙ ЛИ БЛЯДЬ
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 3.7789% / 3.77885862 | ADC: 0.5x
38.6
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
33.8
Tatar
9.2
Tadjik
6.8
Romani
6.4
Nogay
5.2
Turkmen
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.2657% / 2.26570107 | ADC: 0.25x
34.0
Tatar
19.2
Turkmen
18.8
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
15.2
Bosnian
7.6
Romani
3.8
Lezgin
1.2
Kumyk
0.2
Biaka_Pygmy
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 0.5445% / 0.54453517
24.4
Romanian_Muntenia
19.4
Turkmen
16.4
Southwest_Russian
6.6
Estonian
5.2
Lezgin
5.0
Erzya
3.6
Tabassaran
2.4
Selkup
2.2
Mari
1.8
Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.6
Kol
1.6
Ukrainian
1.6
Uygur
1.4
Pathan
1.2
Kshatriya
0.8
Ket
0.6
Shors
0.6
Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4
Bantu_S.E.
0.4
Biaka_Pygmy
0.4
Dai
0.4
Kargopol_Russian
0.4
Naxi
0.4
North_Amerindian
0.2
Danish
0.2
Kanjar
0.2
Mbuti_Pygmy
0.2
Oroqen
0.2
Tujia
0.2
West_Greenlander
</tbody>
andre
12-18-2019, 06:18 PM
what do they score in k13?
one of them plots like a Serb, he could have some Hungarian admixture pulling him north. but that's probably normal for the region
I don't know what they score in k13.. i know it due to Nmontes runner.
CommonSense
12-18-2019, 06:19 PM
I don't mind that average as it's good. I mind the Bosnian Serb one.
Isn't the one for Bosnian Serbs based on a small amount (like 5 or less) academic samples?
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:20 PM
Isn't the one for Bosnian Serbs based on a small amount (like 5 or less) academic samples?
there's 4 of them, 2 from Doboj , 2 from Banja Luka
Moje ime
12-18-2019, 06:21 PM
Thera are added original K15 and K13, besides updated. Open again http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh
Better for me.
https://i.imgur.com/EgIYNoa.png
https://i.imgur.com/ldXX0Y4.png
https://i.imgur.com/3uHcVQb.png
https://i.imgur.com/kDPiFQH.png
CommonSense
12-18-2019, 06:21 PM
there's 4 of them, 2 from Doboj , 2 from Banja Luka
That's quite limited.
Isn't the one for Bosnian Serbs based on a small amount (like 5 or less) academic samples?
I don't know, but it would be fair to have all 3 nations in BiH or none, just generic Bosnian average.
Because than anyone close to Bosnians will get Bosnian Serbs. It isn't fair.
On K16 my father gets Croats(Croatia), than BiH Croats, than Bosniaks and than Bosnian Serbs.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 06:25 PM
I don't know, but it would be fair to have all 3 nations in BiH or none, just generic Bosnian average.
Because than anyone close to Bosnians will get Bosnian Serbs. It isn't fair.
On K16 my father gets Croats(Croatia), than BiH Croats, than Bosniaks and than Bosnian Serbs.
I will add Croat Bosnian ref, but tomorrow...
=========================================
Serbian_Bosnian is this academic from 4 samples. There isn't other one.
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 06:26 PM
what do you get on EUtest? actually post your EUtest ver.1 unsorted admix results, I want to see where you plot on pca
SOUTH_BALTIC 23.75 Pct
EAST_EURO 18.48 Pct
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.36 Pct
ATLANTIC 18.74 Pct
WEST_MED 9.14 Pct
EAST_MED 7.20 Pct
WEST_ASIAN 4.80 Pct
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.50 Pct
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -
Ljubic
12-18-2019, 06:31 PM
Im a Turboserb according to this updated K13 calculator
https://i.imgur.com/VxoRmYj.png
https://i.imgur.com/RgO2qjP.png
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:32 PM
I will add Croat Bosnian ref, but tomorrow...
=========================================
Serbian_Bosnian is this academic from 4 samples. There isn't other one.
could you add the Romanians from Gorj and Apuseni?
i know it due to Nmontes runner.
maybe it will be different in k13.
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:34 PM
I don't know, but it would be fair to have all 3 nations in BiH or none, just generic Bosnian average.
Because than anyone close to Bosnians will get Bosnian Serbs. It isn't fair.
On K16 my father gets Croats(Croatia), than BiH Croats, than Bosniaks and than Bosnian Serbs.
they are not the same people. Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks have a noticeably higher Baltic average.
Lemgrant
12-18-2019, 06:36 PM
My new K13
Distance to: ph2ter
3.30109073 Czech
4.09696749 Slovak
5.26153970 Hungarian
5.94740631 Slovenian
6.04093536 East_German
7.13595824 Croatian
7.33124819 Austrian
8.02059225 South_Polish
9.16689697 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.83138851 Csango_Gymes
10.31146934 Moldavian
10.58923510 Ukrainian
10.76851893 Szekely
11.03357093 Serbian_Bosnia
11.28085546 Southern_Croat
11.64632560 Polish
11.79685975 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
12.10448192 Bosnian
12.95402640 Cossacks_Kuban
13.66042453 Serbian_new
14.63608896 Southwest_Finnish
14.68577203 North_Swedish
14.99077383 Southwest_Russian
15.19659172 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.20328254 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: ph2terWife
4.94454245 Hungarian
5.54556617 Slovak
5.59329062 Czech
5.95002152 Slovenian
6.99735664 Croatian
7.07202941 East_German
7.58989460 Austrian
9.20980456 Moldavian
9.38082086 South_Polish
9.45644225 Csango_Gymes
9.54747611 Szekely
10.25027987 Serbian_Bosnia
10.32079939 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.48908957 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.94615896 Bosnian
10.98544492 Southern_Croat
11.67458779 Ukrainian
12.59427018 Serbian_new
13.37600090 Polish
14.83489467 Cossacks_Kuban
15.18372813 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.80871203 Montenegrin
15.84958359 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.96662770 Southwest_Russian
16.31771124 West_German
Distance to: ph2ter_son
4.59373486 Hungarian
4.74496376 Slovak
5.03326932 Czech
5.32984177 Slovenian
6.40675425 Croatian
7.10707394 East_German
7.57825838 Austrian
8.64141192 Csango_Gymes
8.94076059 Moldavian
8.95268116 South_Polish
9.28676478 Szekely
9.70181426 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.75899521 Serbian_Bosnia
10.29497450 Southern_Croat
10.30640092 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.66251953 Bosnian
11.22934103 Ukrainian
12.25784349 Serbian_new
12.83733228 Polish
14.08923703 Cossacks_Kuban
14.98089116 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.51730325 Southwest_Russian
15.51946520 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.63251800 Montenegrin
16.13654238 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: ph2ter_dad
3.14369210 Hungarian
3.54384966 Slovenian
4.01496675 Slovak
4.84460525 Czech
5.77493723 Croatian
7.15582979 East_German
7.39585019 Csango_Gymes
7.43113719 Austrian
7.94935768 Serbian_Bosnia
8.19029914 Szekely
8.21330019 Southern_Croat
8.69200782 Moldavian
9.26751186 Bosnian
9.30230617 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
9.30390778 South_Polish
10.32405928 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.63114689 Serbian_new
11.42524836 Ukrainian
13.39164292 Polish
13.81767347 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
14.38425941 Montenegrin
14.94505938 Cossacks_Kuban
15.82353627 Southwest_Russian
16.12289676 Romanian_Oltenia
16.31798394 Ukrainian_Belgorod
SOUTH_BALTIC 23.75 Pct
EAST_EURO 18.48 Pct
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.36 Pct
ATLANTIC 18.74 Pct
WEST_MED 9.14 Pct
EAST_MED 7.20 Pct
WEST_ASIAN 4.80 Pct
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.50 Pct
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -
on EUtest pca you are very Czech shifted
https://i.imgur.com/6BR2FLT.png
https://i.imgur.com/pQbghUM.png
https://lemgrant.github.io/eutest2dpca/
https://i.imgur.com/G7ZyrCu.png
Moje ime
12-18-2019, 06:38 PM
I don't know, but it would be fair to have all 3 nations in BiH or none, just generic Bosnian average.
The same goes for "Kosovar" component. Don't know is it still here or removed but it appears in other calculators as well.
It should have results of Kosovo Serbs as well not just Albanians (but it wouldn't be much useful then) or it should be clearly named Kosovo_Albanians component (with Albanian results).
Dunai
12-18-2019, 06:38 PM
I don't know, but it would be fair to have all 3 nations in BiH or none, just generic Bosnian average.
Because than anyone close to Bosnians will get Bosnian Serbs. It isn't fair.
On K16 my father gets Croats(Croatia), than BiH Croats, than Bosniaks and than Bosnian Serbs.
Is there really such a great divide between the 3 Bosnian ethnicities even? I am aware that because of religious divides they have mostly only mixed among themselves for centuries, but since they also have spoken the same language for centuries I can really see that many have ignored religious divisions and married each other, thus resulting in a pretty similar population all over Bosnia-Herzegovina. Or am I wrong?
The same goes for "Kosovar" component. Don't know is it still here or removed but it appears in other calculators as well.
It should have results of Kosovo Serbs as well not just Albanians (but it wouldn't be much useful then) or it should be clearly named Kosovo_Albanians component (with Albanian results).
Yes, I agree.
Is there really such a great divide between the 3 Bosnian ethnicities even? I am aware that because of religious divides they have mostly only mixed among themselves for centuries, but since they also have spoken the same language for centuries I can really see that many have ignored religious divisions and married each other, thus resulting in a pretty similar population all over Bosnia-Herzegovina. Or am I wrong?
They are similar people, with little differences from what I have seen.
they are not the same people. Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks have a noticeably higher Baltic average.
Both are diverse (some have very low Baltic, some very high) and Baltic isn't everything. My father has high North Atlantic, for example. He isn't particulary southern shifted at all.
Just a bit south-east from Croatian K15 dot, which is very Central European itself.
Somebody should test Decius and Ayetooney father (Croatian Serbs), who should be basically identical with Bosnian Serbs. I bet they won't be close to them like my dad is.
Moje ime
12-18-2019, 06:47 PM
Is there really such a great divide between the 3 Bosnian ethnicities even? I am aware that because of religious divides they have mostly only mixed among themselves for centuries, but since they also have spoken the same language for centuries I can really see that many have ignored religious divisions and married each other, thus resulting in a pretty similar population all over Bosnia-Herzegovina. Or am I wrong?
Thing is we want Serbs from Bosnia or any other place in Serbian results. Bosnian as nation doesn't exists so Bosnian average isn't interesting for anyone. There should be separation by nations, Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats from Bosnia results. Personally I'd add Serbs from Montenegro in Serbian results, not sure is it always the case.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 06:48 PM
The same goes for "Kosovar" component. Don't know is it still here or removed but it appears in other calculators as well.
It should have results of Kosovo Serbs as well not just Albanians (but it wouldn't be much useful then) or it should be clearly named Kosovo_Albanians component (with Albanian results).
Yes it is renamed Kosovo_Albanian. It is also academic.
From academic samples there were added to K15 and K13 (for Balkans)
Montenegro
Slovenia
Serbian_Bosnia
Bosnia
Kosovo Albanian
Macedonia
Non academic is Serbian_new (average of Poreklo users), as academic Serbian was clearly Romanian-like.
Romanian regional and Szekely references are from users.
Tomorrow I will add academic Croat (new for comparison) and Croat Bosnian.
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 06:49 PM
on EUtest pca you are very Czech shifted
https://i.imgur.com/6BR2FLT.png
https://i.imgur.com/pQbghUM.png
https://lemgrant.github.io/eutest2dpca/
https://i.imgur.com/G7ZyrCu.png
I think that my result is not far from Croatian Kaykavian average.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 06:50 PM
I think that my result is not far from Croatian Kaykavian average.
Post this average!
Lucas
12-18-2019, 06:51 PM
I think that my result is not far from Croatian Kaykavian average.
Post this average! I know you have NW Croat average.
ProudBrit
12-18-2019, 06:52 PM
So I am Slovenian and my father is Bosnian Serb? Sounds legit ahaha. Especially considering my mother is very similar to him.
not really, i don't see your father scoring a quarter austrian like you and your mother on these vahaduo k13 calculators and i doubt he gets slovenian or NW euro on 23andme :lightbul:
hate the game, not the players.
not really, i don't see your father scoring a quarter austrian like you and your mother and i doubt he gets slovenian or NW euro on 23andme :lightbul:
hate the game, not the players.
Don't worry, he isn't close to Serbs. This average (made of 4 people from northern Bosnia) is closer to Croats buhuhu.
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 06:54 PM
Post this average! I know you have NW Croat average.
I don't remember. Maybe in K15.
For K13 I have only my family results.
Also my father has more Germanic than my mother, retard.
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 06:58 PM
Both are diverse (some have very low Baltic, some very high) and Baltic isn't everything. My father has high North Atlantic, for example. He isn't particulary southern shifted at all.
Just a bit south-east from Croatian K15 dot, which is very Central European itself.
k13 Baltic is a great marker of Slavic admixture in Balkans
Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks can have 34 and more Baltic, which Serbs from any region don't have.
Serbs from Northern Bosnia (Pannonian zone), like Ford or these academic samples, have 32% Baltic, like the Serb from Kusadak.
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 06:59 PM
Post this average! I know you have NW Croat average.
This is average of my wife, my dad and me (it should be called ph2ter_family :)
Kaykavian_Croatian,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.4 9,1.32,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:00 PM
I don't remember. Maybe in K15.
For K13 I have only my family results.
You posted it on plots so I thought it is taken from some Croat forum as users average (for example from Varazdin I remember).
ProudBrit
12-18-2019, 07:01 PM
Also my father has more Germanic than my mother, retard.
Were? DNA.LAND? Spare me with that amateur crap, where 1 family member can score high balkan and another 0 or random south euros with 20-30% NW euro.
Target: Feiichy_Father
Distance: 2.2356% / 2.23564939 | ADC: 0.25x
40.0 Croatian
29.6 Hungarian
26.6 Serbian
2.2 Bulgarian
1.2 Sardinian
0.4 Dai
Target: Feiichy_Mother
Distance: 1.7688% / 1.76881653 | ADC: 0.25x
61.4 Moldavian
30.6 Austrian
6.0 Serbian
1.2 Spanish_Galicia
0.4 Georgian
0.4 Saudi
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 2.7653% / 2.76530998 | ADC: 0.25x
36.2 Austrian
30.6 Moldavian
28.6 Croatian
3.4 North_Ossetian
0.6 Balkar
0.6 French_Basque
k13 Baltic is a great marker of Slavic admixture in Balkans
Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks can have 34 and more Baltic, which Serbs from any region don't have.
Serbs from Northern Bosnia (Pannonian zone), like Ford or these academic samples, have 32% Baltic, like the Serb from Kusadak.
My family Baltic is below average. We have higher North Atlantic and especially North Sea in K15 (both my parents 26%, me almost 28%).
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 07:01 PM
You posted it on plots so I thought it is taken from some Croat forum as users average (for example from Varazdin I remember).
This was K15.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:02 PM
This is average of my wife, my dad and me (it should be called ph2ter_family :)
Kaykavian_Croatian,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.4 9,1.32,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06
Added. Croats check it out for K13 updated now...
Bakha
12-18-2019, 07:02 PM
Who said harappaworld is best for south/central asians? Absolute bullshit, no iranian, no uzbek, no russian, no tatar crimean. Kill him
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 7.0626% / 7.06262586 | ADC: 1x
44.2
yaghnobi
36.4
slovenian
10.6
ashkenazi
8.0
singapore-indian-d
0.8
nogai
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.6441% / 2.64406538 | ADC: 0.5x
23.2
yaghnobi
22.8
ashkenazi
16.6
singapore-indian-d
16.4
slovenian
14.6
chuvash
5.8
nogai
0.6
uzbek
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.8676% / 1.86762754 | ADC: 0.25x
23.6
ashkenazi
18.6
singapore-indian-d
18.4
chuvash
17.8
yaghnobi
9.8
slovenian
7.0
nogai
3.2
italian
1.6
uzbek
</tbody>
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:02 PM
This was K15.
Could be for K15 too.
Duan
12-18-2019, 07:03 PM
k13 Baltic is a great marker of Slavic admixture in Balkans
Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks can have 34 and more Baltic, which Serbs from any region don't have.
Serbs from Northern Bosnia (Pannonian zone), like Ford or these academic samples, have 32% Baltic, like the Serb from Kusadak.
Serbs could have high Baltic, too.
I have 33.8% Baltic.
..
Austrian sample isn't very Germanic, LMAO. My father gets 10% SE English on 0 pen, which is far more Germanic than any Austrians.
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 07:04 PM
Added. Croats check it out for K13 updated now...
Very nice :) :) :)
Distance to: ph2terWife
2.50770812 Kaykavian_Croatian
4.94454245 Hungarian
5.54556617 Slovak
5.59329062 Czech
5.95002152 Slovenian
6.99735664 Croatian
7.07202941 East_German
7.58989460 Austrian
9.20980456 Moldavian
9.38082086 South_Polish
9.45644225 Csango_Gymes
9.54747611 Szekely
10.25027987 Serbian_Bosnia
10.32079939 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.48908957 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.94615896 Bosnian
10.98544492 Southern_Croat
11.67458779 Ukrainian
12.59427018 Serbian_new
13.37600090 Polish
14.83489467 Cossacks_Kuban
15.18372813 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.80871203 Montenegrin
15.84958359 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.96662770 Southwest_Russian
Distance to: ph2ter_son
1.72478984 Kaykavian_Croatian
4.59373486 Hungarian
4.74496376 Slovak
5.03326932 Czech
5.32984177 Slovenian
6.40675425 Croatian
7.10707394 East_German
7.57825838 Austrian
8.64141192 Csango_Gymes
8.94076059 Moldavian
8.95268116 South_Polish
9.28676478 Szekely
9.70181426 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.75899521 Serbian_Bosnia
10.29497450 Southern_Croat
10.30640092 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.66251953 Bosnian
11.22934103 Ukrainian
12.25784349 Serbian_new
12.83733228 Polish
14.08923703 Cossacks_Kuban
14.98089116 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.51730325 Southwest_Russian
15.51946520 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.63251800 Montenegrin
Distance to: ph2ter_dad
2.87490869 Kaykavian_Croatian
3.14369210 Hungarian
3.54384966 Slovenian
4.01496675 Slovak
4.84460525 Czech
5.77493723 Croatian
7.15582979 East_German
7.39585019 Csango_Gymes
7.43113719 Austrian
7.94935768 Serbian_Bosnia
8.19029914 Szekely
8.21330019 Southern_Croat
8.69200782 Moldavian
9.26751186 Bosnian
9.30230617 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
9.30390778 South_Polish
10.32405928 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.63114689 Serbian_new
11.42524836 Ukrainian
13.39164292 Polish
13.81767347 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
14.38425941 Montenegrin
14.94505938 Cossacks_Kuban
15.82353627 Southwest_Russian
16.12289676 Romanian_Oltenia
Distance to: ph2ter
2.01198907 Kaykavian_Croatian
3.30109073 Czech
4.09696749 Slovak
5.26153970 Hungarian
5.94740631 Slovenian
6.04093536 East_German
7.13595824 Croatian
7.33124819 Austrian
8.02059225 South_Polish
9.16689697 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.83138851 Csango_Gymes
10.31146934 Moldavian
10.58923510 Ukrainian
10.76851893 Szekely
11.03357093 Serbian_Bosnia
11.28085546 Southern_Croat
11.64632560 Polish
11.79685975 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
12.10448192 Bosnian
12.95402640 Cossacks_Kuban
13.66042453 Serbian_new
14.63608896 Southwest_Finnish
14.68577203 North_Swedish
14.99077383 Southwest_Russian
15.19659172 Ukrainian_Belgorod
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 07:05 PM
I have 33.8% Baltic.
i know. HungryLion has 33 too. but i was just talking about Bosnia, there the maximum for Serbs is 32.7
k13 Baltic is a great marker of Slavic admixture in Balkans
Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks can have 34 and more Baltic, which Serbs from any region don't have.
Serbs from Northern Bosnia (Pannonian zone), like Ford or these academic samples, have 32% Baltic, like the Serb from Kusadak.
Also Ford plots closer to Croats than to Serbs. He is also bit western. He is probably mixed with Croats (mentioned some grandma was called Mara or something)
ProudBrit
12-18-2019, 07:07 PM
Austrian sample isn't very Germanic, LMAO. My father gets 10% SE English on 0 pen, which is far more Germanic than any Austrians.
No, its not, thats like saying being 10% russian is more than being 30% polish, espcially when your dad has tons of bulgarians there to counter it and you don't.
My family Baltic is below average. We have higher North Atlantic and especially North Sea in K15 (both my parents 26%, me almost 28%).
thats because it has been replaced with the high North Atlantic/North Sea of slovenes/nw croats/ pannonians, mix a serb with a slovene at different ratios and you get a croat on both gedmatch and 23andme, language and ydnas agree with this.
ph2ter
12-18-2019, 07:08 PM
And for K15:
Kaykavian_Croatian,21.74,20.11,20.79,14.68,8.12,6. 47,5.05,0.84,0.67,0.30,0.00,0.87,0.29,0.09,0.00
(this is my family + Varazdin sample)
No, its not, thats like saying being 10% russian is more than being 30% polish, espcially when your dad has tons of bulgarians there to counter it and you don't.
thats because it has been replaced with the high North Atlantic/North Sea of slovenes/nw croats/ pannonians, mix a serb with a slovene at different ratios and you get a croat on both gedmatch and 23andme, language and ydnas agree with this.
Hungarian mongrel, don't stick to irrelevant modeling on K13, it isn't science nor serious.
Mix a Croat with Romanians and you get a Serb, hahaha.
Mix a Bulgar with Gypsy and Serb, you get a Romanian.
ProudBrit
12-18-2019, 07:13 PM
Hungarian mongrel, don't stick to irrelevant modleing on Kq3, it isn't science nor serious.
The only hungarian mongrel is your husband.Mix a hungarian, a romanian and a gypsy and you get him.:lightbul:
Mix a Croat with Romanians and you get a Serb, hahaha.
Mix a Bulgar with Gypsy and Serb, you get a Romanian.
Again, you have to have the context of this, genetics is not enough, we're not the one speaking the serbian language like your kind.
Countries as big as Romania, Serbia or Bosnia cannot come from something as small and insignificant in history as Croatia :lightbul::lightbul:
The only hungarian mongrel is your husband.Mix a hungarian, a romanian and a gypsy and you get him.:lightbul:
Again, you have to have the context of this, genetics is not enough, we're not the one speaking the serbian language like your kind.
Countries as big as Romania, Serbia or Bosnia cannot come from something as small and insignificant in history as Croatia :lightbul::lightbul:
We certanly don't speak language of primitive Serbian sheperds who never created any literature or any kind of culture.
Stick to Smrdija, and don't claim cultures far superior to orthodox subhumans.
Nobody wants to claim your kind, because they are inferior and looked down upon (with good reason)
And yes Bosnia is very big country :laugh:
Mingle
12-18-2019, 07:25 PM
I included only pure Dalmatian and BiH Croats that I know for 100% what they are. Also included some TA members samples like that of Ljubic's father.
If you want to use any samples I posted, I just want to point out they are all 100% pure Croats and not guesses based on their surname or mixed with Serb or whatever.
Anyways, I think there should be two South Croat averages.
There should be "South_Croat1" for people in the Max Soldo (Baltic shited) cluster and "South_Croat2" for people in the Insuperable (Med/Balkan shifted) cluster.
The South Croats in the second cluster seem to be much more numerous in my experience (they usually get Serbian as their top population). These two populations are pretty genetically distinct so grouping them together doesn't seem right to me. I think the sample size for Croats in the first cluster are not that large and there shouldn't be confusion on distinguishing them. What do you think about splitting them up?
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:28 PM
And for K15:
Kaykavian_Croatian,21.74,20.11,20.79,14.68,8.12,6. 47,5.05,0.84,0.67,0.30,0.00,0.87,0.29,0.09,0.00
(this is my family + Varazdin sample)
Thank you. Added.
If you want to use any samples I posted, I just want to point out they are all 100% pure Croats and not guesses based on their surname or mixed with Serb or whatever.
Anyways, I think there should be two South Croat averages.
There should "South_Croat1" for people in the Max Soldo (Baltic shited) cluster and "South_Croat2" for people in the Insuperable (Med/Balkan shifted) cluster.
The South Croats in the second cluster seem to be much more numerous in my experience (they usually get Serbian as their top population). These two populations are pretty genetically distinct so grouping them together doesn't seem right to me. I think the sample size for Croats in the first cluster are not that large and there shouldn't be confusion on distinguishing them. What do you think about splitting them up?
My average is made of both. I don't know. These Serbian shifted are probably of Vlach origins. Those Baltic shifted should be pre-Ottoman southern Croats.
Bakha
12-18-2019, 07:28 PM
Damn these Balkan Shit spamming the thread so much
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:32 PM
Thanks to Mingle, added to Harappa
pashtun-kandahar,15.76,35.44,23.88,13.37,0.25,2.08,1.10,0. 24,0.97,0.86,1.87,4.03,0.03,0.06,0.00,0.0
pashtun-n-afghanistan,15.54,32.53,21.48,13.21,0.01,3.39,2.82 ,1.27,1.60,1.37,1.81,3.82,0.64,0.18,0.32,0.00
pashtun-tarkalani,21.04,36.86,18.87,13.50,0.43,0.92,0.64,0 .41,1.02,1.11,1.34,3.58,0.03,0.07,0.05,0.13
pashtun-uthmankhel,21.31,36.76,18.96,13.91,0.25,1.84,0.40, 0.30,1.02,0.88,1.69,2.48,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.15
pashtun-yusufzai,23.30,36.87,18.83,12.19,0.47,1.53,0.63,0. 53,1.02,0.81,1.26,2.26,0.07,0.10,0.07,0.07
baloch-iran,12.27,36.97,26.81,6.47,0.18,1.04,0,0.20,0.18, 0.46,0,11.39,0.17,1.14,0.50,2.26
kamboj,27.06,37.51,16.49,11.38,0.36,0.91,0.41,0.25 ,1.04,0.80,1.58,2.18,0.00,0.02,0.02,0.01
iranian-bandari,10.61,33.58,26.59,5.87,0.71,0.25,0,0.35,0. 42,0.25,2.07,10.79,0.14,2.78,1.12,4.46
iranian-kerman,8.29,26.43,38.79,5.94,0,0.82,0.63,1.32,0.25 ,0,5.26,12.27,0,0,0,0
iranian-mashhad,6.04,30.41,31.12,9.12,0,0,6.78,0,0,0,5.84, 8.58,0,0,0,0
iranian-yazd,8.11,31.49,30.15,7.87,0,1.98,1.18,0.63,0,0.52 ,6.18,11.04,0,0.47,0.17,0.21
iraq-domari,25.65,26.94,21.68,3.08,1.02,0.3,0,0.83,0.31 ,0.94,3.32,10.63,0.20,1.86,0.19,3.11
pamiri-ishkashim,12.7,33.55,19.67,20.6,0.86,3.15,2.34,0.7 1,1.69,0.87,2.85,0.92,0,0,0.09,0
pamiri-shughnan,9.60,31.84,20.89,21.50,0.06,4.59,3.11,0.1 3,2.01,0.97,4.24,0.99,0,0.09,0,0
pamiri-rushan,8.30,31.89,19.79,23.63,0.65,3.47,2.65,0.28, 1.55,1.39,4.82,1.55,0.06,0,0,0
yaghnobi,4.42,29.52,26.46,22.25,0.21,3.36,2.28,0.3 3,1.26,0.66,5.37,3.85,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
pamiri-wakhi,15.53,32.59,18.75,19.39,0,3.02,2.56,0.48,2.5 2,1.95,1.97,1.21,0.04,0,0,0
gawar,29.77,42.48,14.22,7.77,0.07,0.73,0.78,0.58,0 .47,0.99,2.09,0,0,0.08,0,0
dameli,20.79,39.89,18.46,14.41,0,2.06,0.85,0.27,1. 01,0.96,0.7,0.59,0,0,0,0
nuristani,20.11,43.20,18.84,13.36,0,1.22,0.32,0.08 ,0.83,1.35,0,0.72,0,0,0,0
kho,18.65,35.85,18.20,16.45,0.09,2.81,2.82,0.14,1. 70,1.34,0.84,1.07,0.01,0,0.02,0
gujar-pakistan,31.39,42.24,12.71,8.70,0.15,0.88,0.40,0.1 0,0.60,0.65,0.18,1.71,0.03,0.02,0.15,0.08
phalura,24.54,38.77,16.49,13.65,0.56,3.47,0,0.12,1 .2,0.61,0,0.59,0,0,0,0
punjabi-saini,34.29,38.26,13.12,7.74,0.33,1.04,0.79,0.69,0 .94,0.71,0.96,1.03,0.06,0.02,0.00,0.01
parsi,16.95,30.86,28.87,5.11,0,0,0.53,0.73,0.19,0. 64,3.32,11.91,0,0.88,0,0
tajik-herat,10.73,30.17,25.17,10.72,0.43,4.04,3.60,0.40, 1.13,0.99,4.88,7.31,0.07,0.12,0.06,0.22
tajik-nw-afghanistan,11.94,26.22,20.13,9.92,1.97,7.83,9.35, 1.16,1.39,1.83,3.15,3.60,0.63,0.48,0.39,0.00
tajik-panjshir,17.02,37.79,22.21,12.22,0.99,2.44,0.59,0. 82,0.85,0.25,1.26,3.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.29
turkmen-afghanistan,5.50,18.75,19.50,12.00,0.50,14.50,13.2 5,1.50,1.50,2.50,5.75,3.25,0.50,0.50,0.25,0.00
uzbek-afghanistan,12.00,26.40,20.00,10.20,1.20,7.60,9.80 ,1.00,0.80,2.20,3.60,5.00,0.60,0.00,0.00,0.00
qizilbash-1,11.47,30.11,31.18,6.9,0,3.45,1.13,0,1.28,0.17,2. 78,10.44,0,0,0,1.26
qizilbash-2,15.10,27.9,25.2,8.84,0,3.99,7.32,0.00,2.48,0.17, 4.59,3.90,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00.00
ProudBrit
12-18-2019, 07:38 PM
@Lukasz The croatian samples are very good, I like how you've split south-croats from kajkavian ones,I appreciate what you're doing, keep up the good work buddy!!
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 07:40 PM
0x
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 3.6691% / 3.66906015
57.8 Lithuanian2
15.2 Moroccan_Jew
12.8 East_Finnish
8.2 Romanian_Muntenia
6.0 Spanish_Valencia
0.25x
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 4.1450% / 4.14501247 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Lithuanian
31.4 Romanian_NorthMoldova
8.0 Serbian_Bosnia
2.6 East_Finnish
1.2 Yemenite_Jewish
2x
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 7.7457% / 7.74573431 | ADC: 2x
100.0 South_Polish
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 07:41 PM
Eurogenes K13 ^
@Lukasz The croatian samples are very good, I like how you've split south-croats from kajkavian ones,I appreciate what you're doing, keep up the good work buddy!!
I made the south Croatian average idiot.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:44 PM
Thanks to Mingle, added to Harappa
Working now.
And why is ''Romanian'' subhuman not banned yet? There is no place on TA for socks of permabanned users.
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 07:47 PM
And why is ''Romanian'' subhuman not banned yet? There is no place on TA for socks of permabanned users.
Anyone with HPV virus is not in position to call anyone "subhuman" lol
Mingle
12-18-2019, 07:48 PM
could you add the Romanians from Gorj and Apuseni?
maybe it will be different in k13.
The Romanian academic sample is from Gorj, isn't it? I asked Lukasz to rename it to Romanian_Oltenia.
Anyone with HPV virus is not in position to call anyone "subhuman" lol
I do not discuss with people who have no inner toilet.
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 07:52 PM
The Romanian academic sample is from Gorj, isn't it? I asked Lukasz to rename it to Romanian_Oltenia.
there is also a 3rd set, from all over the country, it was uploaded by Ajeje Brazorf, i think that's the one used for the average
Cumansky
12-18-2019, 07:53 PM
I do not discuss with people who have no inner toilet.
But you are filthiest here, than the toilet seat
Dunai
12-18-2019, 07:53 PM
The Romanian academic sample is from Gorj, isn't it? I asked Lukasz to rename it to Romanian_Oltenia.
Speaking of academic samples, does anyone have any idea on how many people is the Hungarian sample based upon, and is there any information about it?
andre
12-18-2019, 07:53 PM
The Romanian academic sample is from Gorj, isn't it? I asked Lukasz to rename it to Romanian_Oltenia.
Yes, Romanian_Oltenia it’s nice.. Lukasz, do you have the Romanian_Apuseni samples? Could you add? (Name:Romanian_Transylvania).
Thank you
Mingle
12-18-2019, 07:55 PM
My average is made of both. I don't know. These Serbian shifted are probably of Vlach origins. Those Baltic shifted should be pre-Ottoman southern Croats.
Wouldn't it make sense to separate those with possible Vlach origins from those without? They score nothing like each other. One could be labeled South Croat1 and another could be South Croat2. If someone like Max Soldo or that new user from Posuje post their results there, they'll be confused since they'll get it at a large distance. They have different genetics so it makes sense to separate them.
Duan
12-18-2019, 07:55 PM
@Lukasz The croatian samples are very good, I like how you've split south-croats from kajkavian ones,I appreciate what you're doing, keep up the good work buddy!!
Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.
https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg
Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)
Lucas
12-18-2019, 07:56 PM
Yes, Romanian_Oltenia it’s nice.. Lukasz, do you have the Romanian_Apuseni samples? Could you add? (Name:Romanian_Transylvania).
Thank you
I had. But they are already very strange. In K36 one of them plot near Austria if I remember. I first filter such outliers.
Mingle
12-18-2019, 07:57 PM
there is also a 3rd set, from all over the country, it was uploaded by Ajeje Brazorf, i think that's the one used for the average
Are you sure? In that case, it should be reverted back to just "Romanian". I thought the K13 average was based off those from Gorj.
Wouldn't it make sense to separate those with possible Vlach origins from those without? They score nothing like each other. One could be labeled South Croat1 and another could be South Croat2. If someone like Max Soldo or that new user from Posušje post their results there, they'll be confused since they'll get it at a large distance. They have different genetics so it makes sense to separate them.
Okay, I'll do it bit later, after I finish posting Croatian 23andme results :P
Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.
https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg
Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)
Why are academic Serb samples from far from Bosnian Serbs academic samples? :))))
And you both lived in Ottoman Empire, speaking same dialect, imagine that xD
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 07:59 PM
Are you sure? In that case, it should be reverted back to just "Romanian". I thought the K13 average was based off those from Gorj.
i think it isn't, Lukasz could add the Gorj and Apuseni averages so we can compare it
Ljubic
12-18-2019, 07:59 PM
Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.
https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg
Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)
People didnt have DNA-Tests back in the days and its culture,language and mentality holding ethnicities together and not such genetic differences that are that small in the grand scale.
ProudBrit
12-18-2019, 08:01 PM
I made the south Croatian average idiot.
Can you just, for once, write a post without insulting someone for having a contradictory opinion?Thank you.
Also I am sure Serbs from Torlakia distance to Serbs from Banija for example, will be enormnous :)
Mingle
12-18-2019, 08:03 PM
on EUtest pca you are very Czech shifted
https://i.imgur.com/6BR2FLT.png
https://i.imgur.com/pQbghUM.png
https://lemgrant.github.io/eutest2dpca/
https://i.imgur.com/G7ZyrCu.png
His oracle makes much more sense here for a NW Croat than on K13. We've been focusing on K13 this whole time, but the EUtest may have been better.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 08:04 PM
His oracle makes much more sense here for a NW Croat than on K13. We've been focusing on K13 this whole time, but the EUtest may have been better.
Who knows. So it should be updated too:)
vbnetkhio
12-18-2019, 08:09 PM
Speaking of academic samples, does anyone have any idea on how many people is the Hungarian sample based upon, and is there any information about it?
i uploaded them here. there is a lot of them.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?301242-Balkans-Central-Europe-Ukraine-academic-samples-on-gedmatch
but probably only a part of these was used in the k13 average, some were published later
Rćdwald
12-18-2019, 08:41 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/fywtKCdH/k13distupdated.png
https://i.postimg.cc/1XJgYFcy/k13updated.png
I followed Mingle advice to break South Croat cluster in two, because there are two distinct types of south Croats. You can remove south croat average now which was mix of both, and add these 2 averages separately!
South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,1 1.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0.69,0.50,0.00,0.32
South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster,25.25,29.91,16.48,8.85 ,15.03,1.97,0.74,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.01,0.16
https://i.imgur.com/sRy5oCt.png
https://i.imgur.com/OmHlSqc.png
Lucas
12-18-2019, 10:15 PM
I followed Mingle advice to break South Croat cluster in two, because there are two distinct types of south Croats. You can remove south croat average now which was mix of both, and add these 2 averages separately!
South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,1 1.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0.69,0.50,0.00,0.32
South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster,25.25,29.91,16.48,8.85 ,15.03,1.97,0.74,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.01,0.16
added to k13
Lucas
12-18-2019, 10:17 PM
Thanks :)
Original Croat ref result now. Reasonable I think.
Target: Croatian
Distance: 1.7184% / 1.71838416 | ADC: 1x
53.4 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
28.0 Slovak
10.6 Slovenian
8.0 Moldavian
added to k13
Pretty much :thumb001: Those originals are from Zagreb. Make a lot of sense.
Lucas
12-18-2019, 10:19 PM
Interesting Morlach result now
Target: South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
Distance: 0.3974% / 0.39738957 | ADC: 0.25x
75.8 Serbian_new
16.2 Bosnian
5.6 Montenegrin
1.4 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
1.0 Spanish_Galicia
Interesting Morlach result now
Target: South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
Distance: 0.3974% / 0.39738957 | ADC: 0.25x
75.8 Serbian_new
16.2 Bosnian
5.6 Montenegrin
1.4 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
1.0 Spanish_Galicia
True Vlachs :P
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