Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

[gixajo]

repetido

[gixajo]

Yo me hago la idea de que tu padre sacara unos resultados avg peninsular, y tu madre sera como un 75% basque y 25% peninsular, yo me lo estoy imaginando asi. Sera interesantisimo.

Me acaban de llegar sus G25.

Me parece curiosa esta precisión:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267 | ADC: 0.25x
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02410583 gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02411292 gixajo_dad_scaled

Tiene lógica, teniendo en cuenta que MH me dió un 49.8% de adn compartido con mi padre y un 49.9% compartido conmi madre, pero no deja de ser curiosa tanta precisión.

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.5273% / 0.03527270
72.6 Hispanorromano
21.4 Visigodo
6.0 Judío

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.6934% / 0.02693390
55.6 Early_European_Farmer
28.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
14.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5818% / 0.02581783
59.2 Early_European_Farmer
26.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
11.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Africa_Mesolithic

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.3370% / 0.03336973
52.2 Early_European_Farmer
30.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
15.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.0 Iberomaurusian

[gixajo]

Modern averages

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.3670% / 0.01366972
44.6 Spanish_Aragon
21.2 Basque_Spanish
10.0 French_Seine-Maritime
6.6 Sardinian
4.4 Lithuanian_PZ
3.8 Spanish_Soria
3.8 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
2.6 Portuguese
2.4 Yemenite_Mahra
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Koinanbe

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01658208 Spanish_Aragon
0.01727214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01859632 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01886758 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01912200 Spanish_Valencia
0.01950849 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01976409 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02002144 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02011638 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02034893 Spanish_Castello
0.02040101 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02066881 Spanish_Lleida
0.02103738 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02141164 Spanish_Penedes
0.02180879 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02222523 Spanish_Girona
0.02226842 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02231857 Spanish_Navarra
0.02242790 Spanish_Alacant
0.02243580 French_South
0.02303983 Spanish_Galicia
0.02332999 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02374266 Spanish_Menorca
0.02394533 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02521989 Spanish_Baleares


Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.4888% / 0.01488759
26.0 Sardinian
23.4 English_Cornwall
15.4 Spanish_Extremadura
12.6 Italian_Lombardy
12.0 Spanish_Cantabria
4.8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
3.4 Berber_MAR_ERR
1.2 Greek_Thessaly
0.6 Ju_hoan_North
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.2 Papuan

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02079128 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02192712 Portuguese
0.02238054 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02260911 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02295163 Spanish_Galicia
0.02370171 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02405072 Spanish_Alacant
0.02428794 Spanish_Menorca
0.02466230 Spanish_Aragon
0.02475863 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02492965 Spanish_Baleares
0.02572339 Spanish_Murcia
0.02581031 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02596647 Spanish_Valencia
0.02602802 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02636901 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02654563 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02689513 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02721733 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02832325 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02844888 Spanish_Castello
0.02882555 Spanish_Navarra
0.02939673 Spanish_Girona
0.02990785 Spanish_Lleida
0.02992726 Spanish_Penedes

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.5139% / 0.01513856
28.4 Basque_French
21.8 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
16.0 Spanish_Asturias
10.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
8.6 Icelandic
5.8 Italian_Lombardy
5.4 Spanish_Navarra
1.2 Lithuanian_PZ
1.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.6 Mari
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Mozabite

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02260379 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02398425 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02423990 Spanish_Aragon
0.02449361 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.02449660 Spanish_Navarra
0.02490694 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02595263 Spanish_Valencia
0.02656490 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02687383 French_South
0.02710883 Basque_French
0.02726266 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02729980 Spanish_Lleida
0.02740300 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02783087 Spanish_Asturias
0.02796208 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02844711 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02865085 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02872814 French_Occitanie
0.02880920 Spanish_Penedes
0.02918564 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02931537 Spanish_Castello
0.02947744 Spanish_Galicia
0.03006543 French_Auvergne
0.03017621 Spanish_Alacant
0.03031888 Spanish_Girona

[gixajo]

Ultimate Modern World K=50 Calculator for G25


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5586% / 0.01558601
42.8 Basque
40.4 Iberian
11.4 Belgian_French
3.2 Polish_Ukrainian
1.8 Yemenite_Arab
0.2 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.2 Papuan

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02455775 Iberian
0.02656896 Basque
0.04013175 Belgian_French
0.06347231 Greek_Albanian
0.06713679 North_Sea_Germanic
0.06811760 Balkan
0.07224871 Northwest_European
0.07583756 Central_European
0.08508413 Scando_Germanic
0.08798836 Sicilian_Maltese
0.10190846 Polish_Ukrainian
0.11948470 European_Jewish
0.12132653 Balto_Slavic_South
0.12609256 Balto_Slavic_North
0.14153540 West_Turkish
0.14441348 Finnic
0.15566890 Levant
0.15846436 Circassian
0.16144053 Armenian_Assyrian
0.16286274 Azeri
0.17757887 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.18062627 Iranian
0.19295334 Tajik
0.19440925 Northeast_African
0.21700179 Yemenite_Arab


Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.7526% / 0.01752582
83.8 Iberian
10.4 Basque
5.0 Greek_Albanian
0.8 Malawi_San

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.01824972 Iberian
0.04079352 Basque
0.05358868 Belgian_French
0.05761358 Greek_Albanian
0.07423024 Balkan
0.07655181 Sicilian_Maltese
0.08173555 North_Sea_Germanic
0.08708457 Northwest_European
0.08832557 Central_European
0.10039243 Scando_Germanic
0.10558311 European_Jewish
0.11390181 Polish_Ukrainian
0.13422509 Balto_Slavic_South
0.13724241 West_Turkish
0.13859596 Balto_Slavic_North
0.14367945 Levant
0.15287692 Armenian_Assyrian
0.15628378 Finnic
0.15713883 Azeri
0.15824223 Circassian
0.17353910 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.17532470 Iranian
0.17998296 Northeast_African
0.19449044 Tajik
0.20601646 Yemenite_Arab

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7820% / 0.01781998
76.2 Basque
12.4 Northwest_European
4.4 European_Jewish
3.4 Balto_Slavic_North
3.4 Northwest_African
0.2 Malawi_San

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02475059 Basque
0.03531866 Iberian
0.03905685 Belgian_French
0.06476519 North_Sea_Germanic
0.06487552 Northwest_European
0.07111569 Balkan
0.07245529 Greek_Albanian
0.07324831 Central_European
0.07814741 Scando_Germanic
0.09723780 Sicilian_Maltese
0.09871090 Polish_Ukrainian
0.11887519 Balto_Slavic_South
0.12076440 Balto_Slavic_North
0.12837550 European_Jewish
0.13892812 Finnic
0.14817086 West_Turkish
0.16370275 Circassian
0.16450008 Levant
0.16950856 Azeri
0.16976235 Armenian_Assyrian
0.18464049 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.18651516 Iranian
0.19525446 Tajik
0.20135552 Northeast_African
0.21449879 Udmurt

[mitalit]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.6934% / 0.02693390
55.6 Early_European_Farmer
28.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
14.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5818% / 0.02581783
59.2 Early_European_Farmer
26.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
11.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Africa_Mesolithic

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.3370% / 0.03336973
52.2 Early_European_Farmer
30.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
15.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.0 Iberomaurusian

Curiosos resultados, tienes casi el mismo whg que tu madre, y menos iberomasurian que los dos.

[Luso]

tengo mis resultados G25: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?326991-Luso-got-his-G25&p=6780821#post6780821

[gixajo]

Supreeeme LivingDNA G25 Model scaled

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4018% / 0.01401846
48.6 East_Iberia
27.0 Basque
8.2 West_Iberia
6.6 Baltics
3.8 Sardinia
2.4 Cyprus
1.6 Arabia
1.4 France
0.2 Central_African_Hunter-Gatherers
0.2 Papua

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.5687% / 0.01568653
36.8 Sardinia
36.6 Great_Britain_&_Ireland
11.0 East_Iberia
6.6 Tuscany
6.4 North_Africa
0.8 Arabia
0.8 East_Germanic
0.8 Southern_African_Khoisan
0.2 Papua

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.8391% / 0.01839070
41.4 Basque
18.6 West_Iberia
15.0 East_Iberia
9.8 East_Germanic
9.2 Great_Britain_&_Ireland
3.6 North_Italy
1.8 North_Africa
0.4 Southern_African_Khoisan
0.2 Arabia

[gixajo]

Curiosos resultados, tienes casi el mismo whg que tu madre, y menos iberomasurian que los dos.

A mí me llama más la atención el 50/50 exacto en cualquier ADD DIST COl:, si no llega a ser que en la lista de distancias cambian un poco, me hubiera resultado muy sospechoso...

[mitalit]

A mí me llama más la atención el 50/50 exacto en cualquier ADD DIST COl:, si no llega a ser que en la lista de distancias cambian un poco, me hubiera resultado muy sospechoso...

Un 50 perfecto, es clavado aunque me esperaba un distancia mucho menor.

[gixajo]

Un 50 perfecto, es clavado aunque me esperaba un distancia mucho menor.

Una distancia menor también me hubiera hecho desconfiar.

Bueno, ya tengo más para entretenerme, no has hecho mi calculador de justo antes de la invasión musulmana?

[Rocinante]

Me acaban de llegar sus G25.

Me parece curiosa esta precisión:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267 | ADC: 0.25x
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02410583 gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02411292 gixajo_dad_scaled

Tiene lógica, teniendo en cuenta que MH me dió un 49.8% de adn compartido con mi padre y un 49.9% compartido conmi madre, pero no deja de ser curiosa tanta precisión.

Vaya que brutal la precision, eso demuestra que el G25 es la mejor herramienta que existe en genetica, no por nada es lo que se usa en Anthrogenica. Tu madre saco los 16 de WHG que le habia puesto, y eso que el maximo que existe es 18.

[mitalit]

Un calculador chorra con referencias hechas con medias de poblaciones del ancient averages, a ver que sale.

Hispania visigoda justo antes de la invasión musulmana.

SCALED


Hispanorromano,0.11075620,0.14823927,0.03684240,-0.00762640,0.04099043,-0.00625157,-0.00031343,0.00360280,0.02560540,0.03226583,-0.00317560,0.00831757,-0.01097193,-0.00917127,0.00501773,-0.00104973,-0.00112637,0.00021823,-0.00158843,-0.00119860,-0.00360817,-0.00111980,-0.00117097,-0.00317307,-0.00123410
Visigodo,0.12311853,0.13418530,0.05998733,0.033915 01,0.03767902,0.01055160,0.00679167,0.00819937,0.0 0801050,0.00724680,-0.00579200,0.00361667,-0.00736353,-0.00357393,0.00249277,-0.00301840,-0.00479803,-0.00135987,-0.00000420,-0.00019997,0.00370597,0.00165673,-0.00176277,0.00267100,-0.00250263
Judío,0.09177000,0.15766125,-0.04530140,-0.08765410,-0.00073085,-0.03503590,-0.00076360,-0.00294225,0.01572275,0.02599150,0.01130650,-0.00237940,0.00312190,0.01826925,-0.01221500,-0.00442535,-0.01201175,0.00323060,0.00565640,0.00220440,-0.00474175,0.01218001,-0.00164840,-0.00162675,-0.00082350


Hispanorromano=Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,+Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE+ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
Visigodo=CZE_Early_Slav,+DEU_MA,+DEU_Singen_EBA
Judío=Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.7207% / 0.02720702
71.0 Hispanorromano
29.0 Visigodo


Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.7219% / 0.02721880 | ADC: 0.25x
72.2 Hispanorromano
27.8 Visigodo

Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.03297358 Hispanorromano
0.05301388 Visigodo
0.15338391 Judío

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.1629% / 0.02162891
82.2 Hispanorromano
17.8 Visigodo

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.6498% / 0.01649822
100.0 Hispanorromano

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.9056% / 0.02905626
67.8 Hispanorromano
32.2 Visigodo

:eek:

[gixajo]

[B]Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.7207% / 0.02720702


Igual mi madre empieza a ganarte en irlandés.:rolleyes:

[mitalit]

Igual mi madre empieza a ganarte en irlandés.:rolleyes:

Pues igual tenemos un problema.
Aunque yo creo que es el karma por tanto reírte de mi llamándome irlandés...

[gixajo]

Pues igual tenemos un problema.
Aunque yo creo que es el karma por tanto reírte de mi llamándome irlandés...

Un buen karma en este caso, los irlandeses siempre me cayeron bien.

No tanto como los bilbainos...:rolleyes:

[Defcon2]

Un calculador chorra con referencias hechas con medias de poblaciones del ancient averages, a ver que sale.

Hispania visigoda justo antes de la invasión musulmana.

SCALED


Hispanorromano,0.11075620,0.14823927,0.03684240,-0.00762640,0.04099043,-0.00625157,-0.00031343,0.00360280,0.02560540,0.03226583,-0.00317560,0.00831757,-0.01097193,-0.00917127,0.00501773,-0.00104973,-0.00112637,0.00021823,-0.00158843,-0.00119860,-0.00360817,-0.00111980,-0.00117097,-0.00317307,-0.00123410
Visigodo,0.12311853,0.13418530,0.05998733,0.033915 01,0.03767902,0.01055160,0.00679167,0.00819937,0.0 0801050,0.00724680,-0.00579200,0.00361667,-0.00736353,-0.00357393,0.00249277,-0.00301840,-0.00479803,-0.00135987,-0.00000420,-0.00019997,0.00370597,0.00165673,-0.00176277,0.00267100,-0.00250263
Judío,0.09177000,0.15766125,-0.04530140,-0.08765410,-0.00073085,-0.03503590,-0.00076360,-0.00294225,0.01572275,0.02599150,0.01130650,-0.00237940,0.00312190,0.01826925,-0.01221500,-0.00442535,-0.01201175,0.00323060,0.00565640,0.00220440,-0.00474175,0.01218001,-0.00164840,-0.00162675,-0.00082350


Hispanorromano=Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,+Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE+ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
Visigodo=CZE_Early_Slav,+DEU_MA,+DEU_Singen_EBA
Judío=Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.3924% / 0.03392419
96.4 Hispanorromano
3.6 Visigodo

[Defcon2]

Igual mi madre empieza a ganarte en irlandés.:rolleyes:

Puedes correr esto? para saber cuanto de irlandés tienen.


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Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723,0.118376,0.178733,0.009805 ,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.0016 24,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724,0.117238,0.168578,0.018856 ,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727,0.114961,0.185842,0.004525 ,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788 ,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428 ,-0.107883,0.058472,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.01223,0.03027,0.082371,0.010393,0.01139,-0.031813,0.003441,-0.048045,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005279,-0.007253,-0.012852,-0.000124,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
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[gixajo]

Puedes correr esto? para saber cuanto de irlandés tienen.


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Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580,0.127482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131 ,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447,0.15 9107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.122929,0.082258,0.04487 7,0.113697,-0.033852,0.046575,0,-0.006,-0.051949,-0.072165,0.007307,0.001049,0.003271,-0.022708,0.029994,0.018297,0.005998,-0.003547,-0.00176,0.011005,-0.003244,0,-0.001725,0.013616,-0.000838
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.03808 9,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012 532,-0.005269
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403 ,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.130897,0.088351,0.04412 3,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.04261 5,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0439,0.127482,0.096475,0.03733 5,0.117896,-0.017542,0.038487,0.00329,-0.006,-0.052154,-0.057587,0.001949,-0.000599,-0.007582,-0.02257,0.038273,0.016441,-0.002217,-0.004941,-0.00352,0.018634,-0.001996,0.00643,0.015529,0.02663,-0.00934
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0443,0.124067,0.093429,0.03997 5,0.108206,-0.027082,0.045459,0.003995,-0.007154,-0.052563,-0.081642,0.001299,-3e-04,0.000595,-0.016515,0.044923,0.003978,-0.014212,-0.001394,-0.003771,0.013006,0.00262,0.000247,0.003944,0.0189 18,0.002036
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0444,0.125205,0.08632,0.045632 ,0.119188,-0.024928,0.047969,0.00564,-0.001154,-0.050108,-0.073259,0.002598,0.002847,0,-0.042663,0.029451,0.022938,-0.000522,0.003294,-0.010307,0.013131,-0.015098,0.004204,0.010846,0.016267,0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I7489,0.122929,0.090382,0.04223 8,0.110144,-0.03416,0.043507,0.004935,0.000692,-0.058085,-0.082735,0.005196,0.004046,-0.010406,-0.006881,0.041123,0.01485,-0.008345,-0.006588,-0.002388,0.006878,-0.010232,-0.001731,0.014173,0.018075,-0.006586
MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP175,-0.629442,0.062963,0.023381,0.019057,-0.004616,0.008367,0.027731,-0.011999,-0.020043,0.012028,0.003897,-0.006894,-0.007284,-0.000275,-0.010993,0.005569,0,0.060557,-0.026899,0.003627,-0.00287,-0.003091,0.003451,0.000723,0.001796
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP176,-0.631718,0.060932,0.020365,0.017765,-0.002462,0.012829,0.034077,-0.017307,-0.019839,0.013485,0.000812,-0.010191,-0.018137,0,-0.011808,0.009016,0.000652,0.05929,-0.024763,0.006628,-0.00287,-0.002102,0.001232,0.001084,0.000239
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP177,-0.622612,0.062963,0.01697,0.015504,0.003693,0.0094 82,0.016686,-0.001385,-0.020248,0.012757,0.00406,-0.000749,-0.005946,0.003441,-0.00475,0.00716,-0.009127,0.048902,-0.016592,0.002001,-0.003494,0.002473,0.000616,0.001205,-0.001557
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP178,-0.635133,0.064994,0.020365,0.019703,-0.00277,0.008088,0.038307,-0.021461,-0.02168,0.009841,0.002598,-0.015137,-0.012339,0.003165,-0.006922,0.001326,-0.000913,0.068158,-0.030042,0.002501,-0.001123,-0.000989,0.002588,0.006507,0.002275
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP179,-0.626027,0.062963,0.018856,0.01292,-0.001846,0.010877,0.019271,-0.004384,-0.02127,0.002734,0.001786,-0.003597,-0.014717,0,-0.015336,0.0118,-0.002086,0.044721,-0.019986,0.005127,-0.005241,-0.001978,-0.00037,0.003012,-0.002036
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP180,-0.633995,0.066009,0.018102,0.02261,-0.002154,0.008925,0.041597,-0.021691,-0.01718,0.014032,0.002273,-0.009591,-0.014123,0.004266,-0.01045,0.009149,-0.005737,0.070439,-0.028031,0.00075,-0.005865,-0.002226,0.005669,-0.004579,-0.00455
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP181,-0.626027,0.064994,0.019987,0.017442,-0.000615,0.010598,0.019741,-0.005538,-0.023725,0.013303,-0.001299,-0.011839,-0.010555,0.004954,-0.007736,0.003182,-0.012256,0.055616,-0.023757,0.003752,-0.000749,0,0.002218,-0.000361,-0.000958
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP182,-0.628304,0.066009,0.020365,0.016796,0.000923,0.007 251,0.035252,-0.014769,-0.027611,0.011845,0.00406,-0.003597,-0.006541,0.003165,-0.010315,0.006762,-0.01004,0.064231,-0.028156,0.003627,-0.008984,0.002473,0.000616,0.00253,0.005029
SSA:Bantu_S.E.:KSP183,-0.63058,0.061947,0.023381,0.018734,-0.000615,0.008646,0.031491,-0.018461,-0.02127,0.013121,0.003573,-0.008542,-0.01115,0.001927,-0.010043,0.003315,-0.007171,0.070946,-0.026019,0.003252,-0.006489,-0.003462,0.005053,-0.001084,-0.004191


Cual es el componente irlandés? SSA:Bantu...tal vez?

Aproximadamente igual que los resultados del calculador de Rocinante de Vahaduo.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.8516% / 0.02851556
52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.6761% / 0.02676145
56.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 WHG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 SSA

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.4843% / 0.03484299
50.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6 WHG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt

[gixajo]

Bueno, luego sigo, voy a tomar el aire.

[Defcon2]

Cual es el componente irlandés? SSA:Bantu...tal vez?

Aproximadamente igual que los resultados del calculador de Rocinante de Vahaduo.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.8516% / 0.02851556
52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.6761% / 0.02676145
56.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 WHG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 SSA

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.4843% / 0.03484299
50.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6 WHG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt

Joder, tu padre tiene menos africano de lo esperado y tu madre justo lo contrario... el Barcin de tu padre también elevadete.

[Defcon2]

Voy dejando mapas chulos, qué os parece pertenecer a la misma raza que los norteafricanos y sauditas?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg/1024px-Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg

Y vuestros cráneos de 77-79 qué tal?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png/800px-Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png

[Luso]

Voy dejando mapas chulos, qué os parece pertenecer a la misma raza que los norteafricanos y sauditas?



Y vuestros cráneos de 77-79 qué tal?



Es la razón por la cual agrupar a las personas en estas "razas" es una mierda. Iberia es tan versátil por sí misma, por lo que decir que todos mira "med" es tonto para mí. En cuanto a las características, no somos similares a los sauditas ni a los norteafricanos, tal vez una minoría lo sea ... pero no la mayoría de nosotros.

[Rocinante]

Voy dejando mapas chulos, qué os parece pertenecer a la misma raza que los norteafricanos y sauditas?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg/1024px-Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg

Y vuestros cráneos de 77-79 qué tal?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png/800px-Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png

Mi CI es de alrededor de 79, así que estoy fuera de ese dolicocefalismo.

[Defcon2]

Es la razón por la cual agrupar a las personas en estas "razas" es una mierda. Iberia es tan versátil por sí misma, por lo que decir que todos mira "med" es tonto para mí. En cuanto a las características, no somos similares a los sauditas ni a los norteafricanos, tal vez una minoría lo sea ... pero no la mayoría de nosotros.

También tenemos este:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/1280px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

Ahora resulta que solo hay 5 razas y un indio es indistinguible de un holandés... No hay ni un solo mapa que no se contradiga, macho.

[Defcon2]

Mi CI es de alrededor de 79, así que estoy fuera de ese dolicocefalismo.

Los gaditanos tienen 83-85, supongo que quién hizo los mapas veraneó por ahí.

[Damião de Góis]

Este é o melhor:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Pigmentation_of_Hair_and_Eyes%2C_Coon_1939.png/778px-Pigmentation_of_Hair_and_Eyes%2C_Coon_1939.png

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.7558% / 0.02755790
76.4 Hispanorromano
20.8 Visigodo
2.8 Judío

[PT Tagus]

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 3.1422% / 0.03142200
80.0 Hispanorromano
11.0 Visigodo
9.0 Judío

[Rocinante]

Los gaditanos tienen 83-85, supongo que quién hizo los mapas veraneó por ahí.

Como que unos habitantes de montaña alpina se dieron vida, bueno, al menos segun ese mapa.

Yo lo que he podido ver aqui en España, es que el unico sitio donde el braquicefalismo es algo notorio, es en Asturias y de segundo, Galicia, porque la verdad es que esto es un pais claramente dolicocefalo. No se si ustedes han intentado medir su CI, pero bueno, no sirve de nada ya cuando tienes los resultados de ADN en mano.

[gixajo]

Voy dejando mapas chulos, qué os parece pertenecer a la misma raza que los norteafricanos y sauditas?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg/1024px-Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg

Y vuestros cráneos de 77-79 qué tal?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png/800px-Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png

Vaya, los galeses y de cornualles son mediterráneos en el primer mapa.;)

El segundo dice que compartimos indice cefálico con británicos y suecos pero no con portugueses?:rolleyes:

Lo malo es que seguro que algunos aquí usaron esos mapas como argumento indiscutible.

[Defcon2]

Vaya, los galeses y de cornualles son mediterráneos en el primer mapa.;)

El segundo dice que compartimos indice cefálico con británicos y suecos pero no con portugueses?:rolleyes:

Lo malo es que seguro que algunos aquí usaron esos mapas como argumento indiscutible.

Te acuerdas cuando Nass dijo que los marroquíes nórdicos eran más blancos que los ibéricos exceptuando a los españoles del norte? mira el primer mapa ;)

[gold_fenix]

Joder, hacia muhco que no entraba y me encuentro este post tan grende

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.5167% / 0.02516707
86.0 Hispanorromano
14.0 Visigodo

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02670557 Hispanorromano
0.06066224 Visigodo
0.14966329 Judío


Esta calculadora me ha hecho recordar que tenía este resultado en Gedmatch con Visigoth Andalusia.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kTjZvPv1Bew/XvafSUkBmLI/AAAAAAAAEJk/kpMlsIU4nR4pemqL8OldPILEsIQFRrcFwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AndalusianVisigothI3585.JPEG

y este otro

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5IBOeAYNLFc/XsjZrjqLm-I/AAAAAAAAD6c/NYBIKYHfEvcEUsCdTCwRhuKuWq1ugrX0wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/VisigothGermanicGironaI12162.JPEG

[Rocinante]

Joder, hacia muhco que no entraba y me encuentro este post tan grende

Eres de los antiguos, pues un gusto tener a otro español aquí!

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.5167% / 0.02516707
86.0 Hispanorromano
14.0 Visigodo

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02670557 Hispanorromano
0.06066224 Visigodo
0.14966329 Judío


Esta calculadora me ha hecho recordar que tenía este resultado en Gedmatch con Visigoth Andalusia.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kTjZvPv1Bew/XvafSUkBmLI/AAAAAAAAEJk/kpMlsIU4nR4pemqL8OldPILEsIQFRrcFwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AndalusianVisigothI3585.JPEG

y este otro

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5IBOeAYNLFc/XsjZrjqLm-I/AAAAAAAAD6c/NYBIKYHfEvcEUsCdTCwRhuKuWq1ugrX0wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/VisigothGermanicGironaI12162.JPEG

[gixajo]

También tenemos este:

mg]

Ahora resulta que solo hay 5 razas y un indio es indistinguible de un holandés... No hay ni un solo mapa que no se contradiga, macho.

Ahora es buen momento de recordar aquel calculador que hice a partir de un mapa con subregiones europeas...

[gixajo]

Te acuerdas cuando Nass dijo que los marroquíes nórdicos eran más blancos que los ibéricos exceptuando a los españoles del norte? mira el primer mapa ;)

Me acuerdo de otro mapa épico, uno que posteó Septentrión para demostrar la blanquitud de los belgas, y justo , en el mapa que puso para demostrarlo, los belgas tenían el mismo color que los españoles.

[gixajo]

Spaniard 2.0, veamos si mi madre te gana a British, a ver tus distancias con esto, sobre todo la distancia al componente Irish:


British_Islands:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.06178 83,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.005744 8,0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Islands:English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.13975 25,0.0613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.00343 46,0.0063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
British_Islands:Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.060131 9,0.0430236,0.0405922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392 ,0.0062789,0.0043372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
British_Islands:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.062 2654,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051 756,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Islands:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876 ,0.0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0 031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.8732% / 0.05873203
100.0 British_Islands

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.05873203 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06039142 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06111760 British_Islands:English
0.06548239 British_Islands:Scottish
0.06772616 British_Islands:Irish


Creo que uno de los portugueses de aquí podría tener mejores distancias que cualquiera de los dos.

[Rocinante]

Me acuerdo de otro mapa épico, uno que posteó Septentrión para demostrar la blanquitud de los belgas, y justo , en el mapa que puso para demostrarlo, los belgas tenían el mismo color que los españoles.

Pues yo tengo un mapa que le dio muchos dolores de cabeza al belga del Norte de Europa, se los comparto:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/Europemix2.png

Al parecer Los Tercios eran bastante atractivos para los wallones y los franceses del norte.

[gixajo]

Pues yo tengo un mapa que le dio muchos dolores de cabeza al belga del Norte de Europa, se los comparto:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/Europemix2.png

Al parecer Los Tercios eran bastante atractivos para los wallones y los franceses del norte.

El mapa de Nurzat que usé yo para un calculador basado en componentes de un calculador gedmatch (que puse que eran del k13 y debian ser de otro :picard1:), tenían una proporción de un componente sudeuropeo sospechosamente alta también , sospechosamente alto comparado con sus vecinos franceses de la misma latitud.:rolleyes:

[Rocinante]

El mapa de Nurzat que usé yo para un calculador basado en componentes de un calculador gedmatch (que puse que eran del k13 y debian ser de otro :picard1:), tenían una proporción de un componente sudeuropeo sospechosamente alta también , sospechosamente alto comparado con sus vecinos franceses de la misma latitud.:rolleyes:

Al parecer el marcador DF27 es sobretodo en el Norte de Francia y algo en la belga francesa, por lo que pude averiguar (dado que mi clado favorito del R1b es el DF27), asi que solo usaba ese preciso mapita para tocarle los cojones al belga, no por otra razon, ya se lo merecia la verdad.

Igualmente ya hemos podido ver que la coorelacion con los haplogrupos y el autosomal es algo que se tiene que ver con mucho cuidado, porque por ejemplo en Venezuela hay una distribucion de haplogrupos muy parecida a la de España, ya que eran los barones blancos los que tenian unico derecho a hacer los que le diera la gana, y de los barones negros uno que otro pudo perdurar. Se parecen autosomalmente? No, obviamente, pero hay gente que le toca la fibra lo del haplogrupo de una manera...

Que por cierto, pienso hacer un thread sobre distribucion de linajes paternos y maternos de Venezuela, por si a algunos le interesa.

[mitalit]

Spaniard 2.0, veamos si mi madre te gana a British, a ver tus distancias con esto, sobre todo la distancia al componente Irish:


British_Islands:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.06178 83,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.005744 8,0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Islands:English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.13975 25,0.0613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.00343 46,0.0063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
British_Islands:Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.060131 9,0.0430236,0.0405922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392 ,0.0062789,0.0043372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
British_Islands:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.062 2654,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051 756,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Islands:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876 ,0.0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0 031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.8732% / 0.05873203
100.0 British_Islands

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.05873203 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06039142 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06111760 British_Islands:English
0.06548239 British_Islands:Scottish
0.06772616 British_Islands:Irish


Creo que uno de los portugueses de aquí podría tener mejores distancias que cualquiera de los dos.

Luego miro

[Rocinante]

Xabi es de pocas palabras, es muy autentico de esa manera. Supongo que son modalidades mas dignas de alguien del Norte no? No se porque extrañarme.

[gixajo]

Que por cierto, pienso hacer un thread sobre distribucion de linajes paternos y maternos de Venezuela, por si a algunos le interesa.

Por cierto, un amigo de la cuadrilla de Vitoria, nació en Venezuela ( de abuelos y padres españoles), parte de su familia sigue allí. Sus padres volvieron a España cuando el tenía 6 años.Sus abuelos se fueron a venezuela cuando acabó la guerra civil.

Algún año vino un primo suyo a pasar las vacaciones de verano a España, el primo es médico y se fue a vivir a Miami.

[Rocinante]

Por cierto, un amigo de la cuadrilla de Vitoria, nació en Venezuela ( de abuelos y padres españoles), parte de su familia sigue allí. Sus padres volvieron a España cuando el tenía 6 años.Sus abuelos se fueron a venezuela cuando acabó la guerra civil.

Algún año vino un primo suyo a pasar las vacaciones de verano a España, el primo es médico y se fue a vivir a Miami.

Pues mira, que interesante! Sabia que habia de todo alla, pero yo el 100% de los vascos que conoci eran todos vizcainos, ya sea de Gran Bilbao o de pueblos aledaños, todos muy exitosos, la gente del pueblo vasco siempre ha sido extraordinaria. Estoy orgulloso de decir que comparto mucho con el pueblo vasco.

[Rocinante]

Una pregunta... Si te digo el apellido por Rep. y la pego, tu me dirias que seria ese? Porque coincide con una familia vasca que no se exactamente si eran bilbainos y podrian ser alaveses, eran bastante nacionalistas españoles (cosa rarisima en los vascos alla).

[Gallop]

Pues yo tengo un mapa que le dio muchos dolores de cabeza al belga del Norte de Europa, se los comparto:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/Europemix2.png

Al parecer Los Tercios eran bastante atractivos para los wallones y los franceses del norte.

Ah de haplogrupos, que bonito! Recuerdo en los principios cuando la gente se pasó más de 10 años hablando sólo de su haplogrupo, xd

Dicen que el haplogrupo representa tan sólo el 2% de nuestro genoma y que sólo está hablando de uno de nuestros antepasados, será verdad. Entonces si eso fuese verdad te puedes encontrar un indígena en taparrabo con un haplogrupo de una fundación que está a miles de km y viceversa, será eso verdad?

[Gallop]

Ahora es buen momento de recordar aquel calculador que hice a partir de un mapa con subregiones europeas...

No eres el mismo, algo te pasa, está cambiando hasta tu forma de hablar.

[Luso]

Spaniard 2.0, veamos si mi madre te gana a British, a ver tus distancias con esto, sobre todo la distancia al componente Irish:


British_Islands:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.06178 83,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.005744 8,0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Islands:English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.13975 25,0.0613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.00343 46,0.0063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
British_Islands:Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.060131 9,0.0430236,0.0405922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392 ,0.0062789,0.0043372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
British_Islands:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.062 2654,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051 756,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Islands:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876 ,0.0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0 031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.8732% / 0.05873203
100.0 British_Islands

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.05873203 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06039142 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06111760 British_Islands:English
0.06548239 British_Islands:Scottish
0.06772616 British_Islands:Irish


Creo que uno de los portugueses de aquí podría tener mejores distancias que cualquiera de los dos.

Distance to: Josef
0.19239584 British_Islands:Scottish
0.19327496 British_Islands:English
0.19350743 British_Islands:Welsh
0.19393430 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.19466142 British_Islands:Irish

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 8.0932% / 0.08093170
100.0 British_Islands

[Luso]

Como me aburría he fabricado 3 samples de las provincias del País Vasco, a ver qué os parecen:


Fantasma:Vizcaya,0.12378250,0.14980730,0.04977350, 0.00937240,0.05159420,-0.00171990,-0.00097915,0.00262295,0.02709255,0.03797495,-0.00745085,0.00949155,-0.01980405,-0.01545270,0.01115610,-0.00015045,-0.00771880,0.00214725,-0.00306060,-0.00460420,0.00647200,0.00161375,-0.00729820,-0.00546855,0.00393171
Robasetas:Guipúzcoa,0.12378265,0.14913045,0.049710 85,0.00603470,0.05256870,0.00065080,-0.00231085,0.00093080,0.02777440,0.03994930,-0.00712605,0.01091525,-0.01811940,-0.01552170,0.01443625,0.00044640,-0.01032650,0.00206275,-0.00159425,-0.00347855,0.00740765,0.00252040,-0.00779120,-0.00456475,0.00596771
Patatero:Álava,0.11927715,0.14861415,0.04666550,0. 00037953,0.05069903,-0.00185928,-0.00822500,0.00219615,0.02789713,0.03698323,-0.00548470,0.00884213,-0.01631920,-0.01448135,0.01194563,0.00200220,-0.00421793,-0.00000320,-0.00208538,-0.00218745,0.00702083,0.00162078,-0.00412143,-0.00527470,-0.00527470

Las hice así:

Vizcaya=Basque_French+Spanish_Cantabria
Guipúzcoa=Basque_French+Spanish_Navarra
Álava=Basque_French+Spanish_Castilla_Y_León+Spanis h_Navarra+Spanish_La_Rioja

Y saldrían esto, solo con referencias de Spanish_X mas el Basque_French:



Son mejorables, pero no me parece que hayan quedado mal.

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 4.0699% / 0.04069879
100.0 Patatero

[Rocinante]

Ah de haplogrupos, que bonito! Recuerdo en los principios cuando la gente se pasó más de 10 años hablando sólo de su haplogrupo, xd

Dicen que el haplogrupo representa tan sólo el 2% de nuestro genoma y que sólo está hablando de uno de nuestros antepasados, será verdad. Entonces si eso fuese verdad te puedes encontrar un indígena en taparrabo con un haplogrupo de una fundación que está a miles de km y viceversa, será eso verdad?

Los haplogrupos a resumidas cuentas sirven solo para ver las migraciones de las poblaciones, trazando la linea de tiempo mediante el subclado, no sirve y no sirvera JAMAS para hacer una estimacion autosomica, seria una farsa. Por ejemplo, si nosotros nada mas tuviesemos a mano un test de Y-DNA, tu serias de Etiopia y yo de Islas Britanicas, y ambos estan lejos de la realidad.

En promedio, los españoles (y en esta me incluire a mucha honra) compartimos con los respectivos haplogrupos:

54% J-M172
29.5% R-L151
12.5% I-M170
4% E-M78

Imaginate, que no esta nisiquiera el popular E-M81 de los marroquies, entonces, si la unica informacion que tuviesemos a la mano de nosotros fuese el haplogrupo, estuviesemos perdidos como ninguno.

[gixajo]

No eres el mismo, algo te pasa, está cambiando hasta tu forma de hablar.

Será el sol, que me reblandece el cerebro, como no tengo pelo, me afecta más que a otros.

[gixajo]

Una pregunta... Si te digo el apellido por Rep. y la pego, tu me dirias que seria ese? Porque coincide con una familia vasca que no se exactamente si eran bilbainos y podrian ser alaveses, eran bastante nacionalistas españoles (cosa rarisima en los vascos alla).

Puedo intentarlo.

[Gallop]

Será el sol, que me reblandece el cerebro, como no tengo pelo, me afecta más que a otros.

Creí que llevabas más tiempo en España como para que tu forma de hablar hubiese cambiado; aunque a lo mejor volvísteis muchos familiares, entonces es más difícil que se pierda la forma de hablar sudamericana.

[gixajo]

Luego miro

Puedo oler tu miedo...

[gixajo]

Creí que llevabas más tiempo en España como para que tu forma de hablar hubiese cambiado; aunque a lo mejor volvísteis muchos familiares, entonces es más difícil que se pierda la forma de hablar sudamericana.

No sé si lo dices en broma o te has liado con lo que dije de que un amigo de la cuadrilla nació en Venezuela.;)

Yo he nacido en España, y todos mis antepasados conocidos igual.

[mitalit]

Xabi es de pocas palabras, es muy autentico de esa manera. Supongo que son modalidades mas dignas de alguien del Norte no? No se porque extrañarme.

Si.

[Rocinante]

Hombre he perdido respeto en este thread... Ya mis post no gustan a nadie, no las requotean, es triste mi vida en este thread. Tanta ausencia es lo que tiene.

[Rocinante]

Creí que llevabas más tiempo en España como para que tu forma de hablar hubiese cambiado; aunque a lo mejor volvísteis muchos familiares, entonces es más difícil que se pierda la forma de hablar sudamericana.

La forma sudamericana de hablar es bastante dificil de perderla, la unica manera de perderla es que te hayas venido aqui en la adolescencia y aun asi te va a costar un huevo. Ya cuando vienes despues de los 20 años y sobretodo de paises con una acento muy del Caribe, sera imposible.

[mitalit]

Puedo oler tu miedo...

Miedo de que si yo siempre gano tt=?

Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.06259997 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06288843 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06492398 British_Islands:English
0.06810884 British_Islands:Scottish
0.069455510.03245551 British_Islands:Irish

[HelloGuys]

Hombre he perdido respeto en este thread... Ya mis post no gustan a nadie, no las requotean, es triste mi vida en este thread. Tanta ausencia es lo que tiene.

Quién te conoce papá??? Xdddd

Ánimo compi; estoy seguro que más pronto que tarde obtendrás lo que deseas lol

[mitalit]

Hombre he perdido respeto en este thread... Ya mis post no gustan a nadie, no las requotean, es triste mi vida en este thread. Tanta ausencia es lo que tiene.

Tus posts siempre gustan

[Rocinante]

Quién te conoce papá??? Xdddd

Ánimo compi; estoy seguro que más pronto que tarde obtendrás lo que deseas lol


Tus posts siempre gustan

Gracias mis estimados, siempre estaran en mi corazon como buenos amigos, pero no se... Siento que he perdido el brillo. Ya mis troleos no dan risa, trolear al albanes por el haplogrupo, ya no da risa, trolear al chileno menos pues ya practicamente hicimos las pases (no me gusta andar peleado con latinoamericanos, es la realidad), trolear a los griegos me llevaria a la tumba de nuevo y creo que no habra Melissandre Vieja que me pueda revivir una proxima, no se a que comunidad ir y trolear, alemanes? britanicos? belgas?

He estado pensando en ir hacia la seccion italiana... Pero al parecer nadie hace threads de genetica ahi o de haplogrupos, capaz bumpear un thread viejo?

[Defcon2]

No sé si lo dices en broma o te has liado con lo que dije de que un amigo de la cuadrilla nació en Venezuela.;)

Yo he nacido en España, y todos mis antepasados conocidos igual.

Donde plotais tu y tus padres aquí?

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

[gixajo]

Miedo de que si yo siempre gano tt=?

Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.06259997 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06288843 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06492398 British_Islands:English
0.06810884 British_Islands:Scottish
0.069455510.03245551 British_Islands:Irish


Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.05873203 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06039142 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06111760 British_Islands:English
0.06548239 British_Islands:Scottish
0.06772616 British_Islands:Irish

Ahí andáis, por poco.

[mitalit]

Ahí andáis, por poco.

Pues no soy un español tan raro, probablemente no tenga ningún antepasado cercano del norte de Europa

[gixajo]

Donde plotais tu y tus padres aquí?

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

https://i.imgur.com/kyAM8l1.png

[HelloGuys]

Gracias mis estimados, siempre estaran en mi corazon como buenos amigos, pero no se... Siento que he perdido el brillo. Ya mis troleos no dan risa, trolear al albanes por el haplogrupo, ya no da risa, trolear al chileno menos pues ya practicamente hicimos las pases (no me gusta andar peleado con latinoamericanos, es la realidad), trolear a los griegos me llevaria a la tumba de nuevo y creo que no habra Melissandre Vieja que me pueda revivir una proxima, no se a que comunidad ir y trolear, alemanes? britanicos? belgas?

He estado pensando en ir hacia la seccion italiana... Pero al parecer nadie hace threads de genetica ahi o de haplogrupos, capaz bumpear un thread viejo?

Trolea a los gringos, la mayoría de aquí son super ignorantes y nacionalistas/supremacistas (Y todo lo que termine en -istas- lol) así que si escribes que en todo el país (No sólo el sur), muchísimos de sus ''blancos'' tienen sangre indígena (O peor, negra) vas a ver el festival tan bonito que se hará jaja xdd

[Luso]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100396&d=1593789393

[Defcon2]

https://i.imgur.com/kyAM8l1.png

Perdona, pero tienes ascendencia británica y sarda?

[Rocinante]

Trolea a los gringos, la mayoría de aquí son super ignorantes y nacionalistas/supremacistas (Y todo lo que termine en -istas- lol) así que si escribes que en todo el país (No sólo el sur), muchísimos de sus ''blancos'' tienen sangre indígena (O peor, negra) vas a ver el festival tan bonito que se hará jaja xdd

Los gringos son aburridisimos de trolear, podria intentarlo, pero no veo la manera de que ardan, porque es que nadie los suele trolear, todo lo contrario a los griegos, italianos, turcos, albaneses y rumanos, son demasiado troleables. Estoy seriamente pensando en armar una fiesta bumpeando threads de genetica italiana, se lia la parda porque tengo muestras geneticas que, a pesar de no ser la gran cosa, hay razon para trolear.

[gixajo]

Gracias mis estimados, siempre estaran en mi corazon como buenos amigos, pero no se... Siento que he perdido el brillo. Ya mis troleos no dan risa, trolear al albanes por el haplogrupo, ya no da risa, trolear al chileno menos pues ya practicamente hicimos las pases (no me gusta andar peleado con latinoamericanos, es la realidad), trolear a los griegos me llevaria a la tumba de nuevo y creo que no habra Melissandre Vieja que me pueda revivir una proxima, no se a que comunidad ir y trolear, alemanes? britanicos? belgas?

He estado pensando en ir hacia la seccion italiana... Pero al parecer nadie hace threads de genetica ahi o de haplogrupos, capaz bumpear un thread viejo?

Puedes trolear a los mismos, pero innovando en el método.

Tú eres el que abrió camino entre todos nosotros con tus calculadores. Eres un pionero.

Tenía mis dudas con tu entusiasmo por elG25 antes de pedir el mío, pero el precio está más que amortizado después de las horas que le he dedicado y el uso que le he dado.

A ver si el Davidsky mete nuevos samples, y tenemos diversión para más tiempo, que empieza a ser aburrido ver siempre los mismos.

[Defcon2]

Puedes trolear a los mismos, pero innovando en el método.

Tú eres el que abrió camino entre todos nosotros con tus calculadores. Eres un pionero.

Tenía mis dudas con tu entusiasmo por elG25 antes de pedir el mío, pero el precio está más que amortizado después de las horas que le he dedicado y el uso que le he dado.

A ver si el Davidsky mete nuevos samples, y tenemos diversión para más tiempo, que empieza a ser aburrido ver siempre los mismos.

Cada cierto tiempo va añadiendo nuevos samples incluso sin previo aviso, y hablando de jugar me prometiste darme tus nuevas coordenadas, Bob Ross negro.

[gixajo]

Perdona, pero tienes ascendencia británica y sarda?

No que yo sepa, todo lo que he podido llegar atrás en mi árbol genealógico son españoles, de mi madre hasta cosa de 5 siglos, de mi padre solo siglo y medio o algo más. Ningún apellido extranjero. Aunque siempre puede haber algun extranjero en alguna rama lateral especialmente por alguna mujer, ya que sus apellidos se habrían perdido.

En mi árbol solo he seguido los 4 apellidos de mi madre , y siempre subiendo por el padre. En el caso de mi padre, es más difícil acceder a las fuentas, solo 2 apellidos, basándome en el árbol del tío materno de mi padre, he mirado alguna rama lateral materna, porque me podía relacionar con alguna casa solariega del pueblo, pero no me he separado mucho de la línea principal de cada apellido.

[Rocinante]

Puedes trolear a los mismos, pero innovando en el método.

Tú eres el que abrió camino entre todos nosotros con tus calculadores. Eres un pionero.

Tenía mis dudas con tu entusiasmo por elG25 antes de pedir el mío, pero el precio está más que amortizado después de las horas que le he dedicado y el uso que le he dado.

A ver si el Davidsky mete nuevos samples, y tenemos diversión para más tiempo, que empieza a ser aburrido ver siempre los mismos.

La verdad es que fue Juancho el que dio un impulso tremendo con esto del G25, lo que paso conmigo fue que me intereso mucho el tema y cree modelos, pero no duden que recibi mucha ayuda de los que colaboran dia a dia con este hilo. Ya en mas de una ocasion Juan y yo sacamos los cuchillos hasta casi matarnos a puñaladas discutiendo sobre que muestra agarrar y cual no, pero bueno, todo ha dado sus frutos.

El problema de trolear a los mismos, es que no solo aburre, si no que se esta tornando peligroso. Yo cree el thread del E-V13 solo para provocar y a ver si recibia buenas troleadas, pero escribio el Dios Nordico que posee estre haplogrupo y bueno... Claro lo dejo con sus comentarios bastante frios. Ya meterse con los haplogrupos no vale de nada, estoy pensando en meterme con los italianos un poquito porque sacan unas cosas por el autosomal que no lo comprende ni Dios.

[Defcon2]

La verdad es que fue Juancho el que dio un impulso tremendo con esto del G25, lo que paso conmigo fue que me intereso mucho el tema y cree modelos, pero no duden que recibi mucha ayuda de los que colaboran dia a dia con este hilo. Ya en mas de una ocasion Juan y yo sacamos los cuchillos hasta casi matarnos a puñaladas discutiendo sobre que muestra agarrar y cual no, pero bueno, todo ha dado sus frutos.

El problema de trolear a los mismos, es que no solo aburre, si no que se esta tornando peligroso. Yo cree el thread del E-V13 solo para provocar y a ver si recibia buenas troleadas, pero escribio el Dios Nordico que posee estre haplogrupo y bueno... Claro lo dejo con sus comentarios bastante frios. Ya meterse con los haplogrupos no vale de nada, estoy pensando en meterme con los italianos un poquito porque sacan unas cosas por el autosomal que no lo comprende ni Dios.

Los italianos del sur sacan mucho Tepecik que es la llave para solucionar la encrucijada sur italiana. :)

[gixajo]

Cada cierto tiempo va añadiendo nuevos samples incluso sin previo aviso, y hablando de jugar me prometiste darme tus nuevas coordenadas, Bob Ross negro.

Las mías nuevas aún no las tengo, si te refieres a las del raw data de 23andme.:)

Ahora te paso las de mis padres, pero solo te las doy porque siendo un Kennedy, morirás pronto y no podrás pasárselas a nadie.

[Rocinante]

Los italianos del sur sacan mucho Tepecik que es la llave para solucionar la encrucijada sur italiana. :)

Ese tepecik no sirve pa nada, son unos mezclaos.

[gixajo]

La verdad es que fue Juancho el que dio un impulso tremendo con esto del G25, lo que paso conmigo fue que me intereso mucho el tema y cree modelos, pero no duden que recibi mucha ayuda de los que colaboran dia a dia con este hilo. Ya en mas de una ocasion Juan y yo sacamos los cuchillos hasta casi matarnos a puñaladas discutiendo sobre que muestra agarrar y cual no, pero bueno, todo ha dado sus frutos.

El problema de trolear a los mismos, es que no solo aburre, si no que se esta tornando peligroso. Yo cree el thread del E-V13 solo para provocar y a ver si recibia buenas troleadas, pero escribio el Dios Nordico que posee estre haplogrupo y bueno... Claro lo dejo con sus comentarios bastante frios. Ya meterse con los haplogrupos no vale de nada, estoy pensando en meterme con los italianos un poquito porque sacan unas cosas por el autosomal que no lo comprende ni Dios.

Juancho es el presidente Kennedy?

Kennedy ha tenido unas ideas buenísimas en modelos, pero siempre pensé que por tu entusiasmo, eras tú el que habías empezado.

Igual como yo llegué después de todos vosotros, no me enteré bien de la historia.

[Defcon2]

Ese tepecik no sirve pa nada, son unos mezclaos.

Tepecik llamado así en honor al sultán Tutapec será clave en el esclarecimiento de las migraciones neolíticas en Italia, tiempo al tiempo.

[gixajo]

Pero desde luego el que se lleva la palma en calculadores originales, es Gallop.

Solo le he visto publicar dos que yo recuerde, y no sé que utilidad tendrían, pero originales...los que más.:eek:

[hmaohma78]

Trolea a los gringos, la mayoría de aquí son super ignorantes y nacionalistas/supremacistas (Y todo lo que termine en -istas- lol) así que si escribes que en todo el país (No sólo el sur), muchísimos de sus ''blancos'' tienen sangre indígena (O peor, negra) vas a ver el festival tan bonito que se hará jaja xdd

Pinche canuk intentó difamarnos. Puse al canadiense en su lugar ya que él no respondió y el siempre responde para atras.
Link
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325747-Do-black-lives-really-matter&p=6770131#post6770131
Y en otro hilo se puso ardido porque le dije que no lo tome tan enserio jajaja. y su respuesta es que nadien toma a tu gente en serio y vincula un hilo de que es de 'cual usuario es el que hace la pregunta más inútil' nada que ver conmigo. El también atacó mi altura y mi virilidad lol. Que niñera es.

[gixajo]

Pinche canuk intentó difamarnos. Puse al canadiense en su lugar ya que él no respondió y el siempre responde para atras.
Link
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325747-Do-black-lives-really-matter&p=6770131#post6770131
Y en otro hilo se puso ardido porque le dije que no lo tome tan enserio jajaja. y su respuesta es que nadien toma a tu gente en serio y vincula un hilo de que es de 'cual usuario es el que hace la pregunta más inútil' nada que ver conmigo. El también atacó mi altura y mi virilidad lol. Que niñera es.

Si hablas de Sean, habla como si fuera de EEUU y no canadiense.

Es uno de los que puede decir y hacer lo que quieran, pero jamás será baneado por ello.

Todavía recuerdo la foto de una madre con su hijo retrasado, diciendo que eso era resultado de la mezcla racial, y encima riéndose.

[Gallop]

La forma sudamericana de hablar es bastante dificil de perderla, la unica manera de perderla es que te hayas venido aqui en la adolescencia y aun asi te va a costar un huevo. Ya cuando vienes despues de los 20 años y sobretodo de paises con una acento muy del Caribe, sera imposible.

Tampoco tienes porque perderla, pero pensé que gixajo había venido de Honduras mucho más pequeño y de más pequeño creo que sí se pierde.

[Gallop]

Pero desde luego el que se lleva la palma en calculadores originales, es Gallop.

Solo le he visto publicar dos que yo recuerde, y no sé que utilidad tendrían, pero originales...los que más.:eek:

Anda! que muchas no te ha dado la gana hacerlas, te has hecho el loco.

[Gallop]

No sé si lo dices en broma o te has liado con lo que dije de que un amigo de la cuadrilla nació en Venezuela.;)

Yo he nacido en España, y todos mis antepasados conocidos igual.

El chico aquel del vídeo tan enfadado creo recordar que dijo que eras hondureño y te creías español.

[gixajo]

Anda! que muchas no te ha dado la gana hacerlas, te has hecho el loco.

Si yo hago todo los calculadores que veo, hasta los de los balcanes, me miran raro cuando posteo mis resultados, en plan " y este a que viene aquí"?

Si no hago alguno es porque no lo veo, o porque lo veo y me disperso en otra cosa, y se me olvida hacerlo.

[gixajo]

Por cierto, alguna sugerencia en esto?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327080-How-to-group-french-G25-pop-average-references-in-order-to-make-means-among-them

36 views pero nadie me dice nada...

[Rocinante]

El chico aquel del vídeo tan enfadado creo recordar que dijo que eras hondureño y te creías español.

El supuesto hondureño es Spaniard 2.0

[gixajo]

El chico aquel del vídeo tan enfadado creo recordar que dijo que eras hondureño y te creías español.

Te estás equivocando con Spaniard2.0 ,creo que se hizo pasar por Costarricense u Hondureño un tiempo.

[HelloGuys]

Pinche canuk intentó difamarnos. Puse al canadiense en su lugar ya que él no respondió y el siempre responde para atras.
Link
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325747-Do-black-lives-really-matter&p=6770131#post6770131
Y en otro hilo se puso ardido porque le dije que no lo tome tan enserio jajaja. y su respuesta es que nadien toma a tu gente en serio y vincula un hilo de que es de 'cual usuario es el que hace la pregunta más inútil' nada que ver conmigo. El también atacó mi altura y mi virilidad lol. Que niñera es.

Son por esas mismas razones que paso olimpicamente de ellos y normalmente me la paso a la sección latinoamericana o española;la gente de la anglosfera son por mucho más desagradables que todos los demás aquí (Incluyendo también a un griego y un alemán dinosaurio con lentes de sol lol) ...están haciendo que éste lugar sea un stormfront 2.0 y atrayendo a más gente retrasada

Mi razón de estar aquí es simplemente porque quiero conocer más las culturas, su estilo de vida, arquitectura, platillos y demás...al igual que la genética me llama la atención, pero esos tipos no me la ponen nada fácil; cuando termine mi objetivo, me largo de éste lugar tóxico...mi hermana también le gusta lo mismo que yo, pero le dije que la neta ni se metiera, que yo le mandaba los links o información útiles, no quiero que vea toda ésta mierda

[Defcon2]

Por cierto, alguna sugerencia en esto?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327080-How-to-group-french-G25-pop-average-references-in-order-to-make-means-among-them

36 views pero nadie me dice nada...

Hiciste el promedio de tu madre y tu padre para ver qué sale? si es parecido a tus coordenadas originales y ver qué heredaste a parte de ellos dos, algún abuelo pudo haberte dejado algo extra.

Me basaría en esto más o menos para hacer medias francesas:

https://i.imgur.com/wyb6uqJ.png

[Mixdguy17]

Son por esas mismas razones que paso olimpicamente de ellos y normalmente me la paso a la sección latinoamericana o española;la gente de la anglosfera son por mucho más desagradables que todos los demás aquí (Incluyendo también a un griego y un alemán dinosaurio con lentes de sol lol) ...están haciendo que éste lugar sea un stormfront 2.0 y atrayendo a más gente retrasada

Mi razón de estar aquí es simplemente porque quiero conocer más las culturas, su estilo de vida, arquitectura, platillos y demás...al igual que la genética me llama la atención, pero esos tipos no me la ponen nada fácil; cuando termine mi objetivo, me largo de éste lugar tóxico...mi hermana también le gusta lo mismo que yo, pero le dije que la neta ni se metiera, que yo le mandaba los links o información útiles, no quiero que vea toda ésta mierda

Yo estoy ya tmb por la misma razon bro, apenas ya sienta que aprendi todo ya me voy a la verga. Yo creo que hasta ahora, el canadiense si es el peor que me he topado aqui.

[Gallop]

El supuesto hondureño es Spaniard 2.0

OK

Entonces fue de Spaniard 2.0 que dijo que se creía español y de spaniard no tenía nada y que era hondureño.

Estaba tan enfadado y hablaba tan rápido y apasionadamente, ok entonces Spaniard 2.0 no es español?

[mitalit]

Yo soy de bilbao

[Rocinante]

Yo soy de bilbao

https://cdn.memegenerator.es/imagenes/memes/full/2/83/2832478.jpg

https://cdn.memegenerator.es/imagenes/memes/full/4/15/4150627.jpg

https://statics.memondo.com/p/s1/ccs/2018/08/CC_0_83872a773081444f90474bd47cfaf9a5_meme_otros_t ipico_de_los_buenos_arboles_de_alli.jpg?cb=4572880

[HelloGuys]

Yo estoy ya tmb por la misma razon bro, apenas ya sienta que aprendi todo ya me voy a la verga. Yo creo que hasta ahora, el canadiense si es el peor que me he topado aqui.

Para mí hay usuarios peores que él (Como los dos usuarios que mencioné indirectamente); no me creo que desean (Y lo expresan sin tapujos y libremente) el genocidio de otras ''razas'' sólo por el simple hecho de no ser europeos, y no los banean cuando otros han dicho mucho menos y los banean; ellos mismos están creandose ''enemigos'' (los cuales antes eran ficticios), además de ser súper paranóicos y creer que siempre están tras de ellos...a quién carajos le importa sus vidas? Ni que fueran influyentes súper famosos como para que se sientan así...apuesto que ni en su casa los conocen

[gixajo]

Hiciste el promedio de tu madre y tu padre para ver qué sale? si es parecido a tus coordenadas originales y ver qué heredaste a parte de ellos dos, algún abuelo pudo haberte dejado algo extra.

Me basaría en esto más o menos para hacer medias francesas:

]

south french, provenza, y occitania en una media del sur, eso lo tenia mas o menos claro, e igual meter al basque french ahí.

y el resto?

A córcega la dejaría sola, no casa bien en ningun lado, y con el basque french y los bretones tuve mis dudas si hacer lo mismo, supongo que tambien, o mezclarlos con los del norte, pais de calais etc...

solo tengo maso menos claro el sur. Cuales serian los que deberían ir en el cluster mas unico frances del centro?

[gixajo]

Hiciste el promedio de tu madre y tu padre para ver qué sale? si es parecido a tus coordenadas originales y ver qué heredaste a parte de ellos dos, algún abuelo pudo haberte dejado algo extra.

g]

Lo de mis padres, si, tenia pensado hacerlo, pero tengo muchas medias esperando, y me disperso, como siempre.Quería hacer de zonas francesas, y de Italia, Sur y Norte basicamente y alguna cosa más.

¿Te puedes creer que aún hay gente que me manda hacerles medias con lo del gedmatch?

[Mixdguy17]

Para mí hay usuarios peores que él (Como los dos usuarios que mencioné indirectamente); no me creo que desean (Y lo expresan sin tapujos y libremente) el genocidio de otras ''razas'' sólo por el simple hecho de no ser europeos, y no los banean cuando otros han dicho mucho menos y los banean; ellos mismos están creandose ''enemigos'' (los cuales antes eran ficticios), además de ser súper paranóicos y creer que siempre están tras de ellos...a quién carajos le importa sus vidas? Ni que fueran influyentes súper famosos como para que se sientan así...apuesto que ni en su casa los conocen

Si bro es que a veces leer algunas cosas aca es medio fuerte, porque ademas de que uno no le ha hecho nada a los que se quejan de ''uno'' o la raza que uno representa, te hablan de ti, de tu familia, de tus amigos o de tu hogar como si hubieran leido tu biografia, es un poco molesto, pero ya he aprendido a como hacen ustedes, ignorar estas cosas aca un poco mejor, y ya despues que explote el otro dia, y con el break que me di esta ultima semana, me he salvado uno dolores de cabeza y me siento mucho mas tranquilo, este lugar es demasiado toxico a veces .

[gixajo]

Hiciste el promedio de tu madre y tu padre para ver qué sale? si es parecido a tus coordenadas originales y ver qué heredaste a parte de ellos dos, algún abuelo pudo haberte dejado algo extra.

]

Por cierto, antes busqué ese mapa que debería tenerlo en algún sitio en el pc, pero no lo encontraba, me ha venido muy bien.

[FalangeAngeL JONS]

Hola foro, recuerdo tener un compañero chileno-colombiano de medellín en la facultad, seriais capaz de identificar su gen ibérico. Lo veo bastante clarito para tener tales rasgos indígenas según el , creo que es de los pocos indios puros que he visto que son mas bien apuestos, aunque la foto no le haga justicia . Un saludo

Aquí os dejo el enlace

https://imgur.com/QadbXl0

[Duffmannn]

Hola foro, recuerdo tener un compañero chileno-colombiano de medellín en la facultad, seriais capaz de identificar su gen ibérico. Lo veo bastante clarito para tener tales rasgos indígenas según el , creo que es de los pocos indios puros que he visto que son mas bien apuestos, aunque la foto no le haga justicia . Un saludo

Aquí os dejo el enlace

https://imgur.com/QadbXl0

Se ve mestizo, en mi opinión.

El elemento amerindio es bastante visible, a pesar de tener la piel clara.

Yo lo encuadraría fácilmente como alguien del Cono Sur, Chile-Argentina.

[HelloGuys]

Hola foro, recuerdo tener un compañero chileno-colombiano de medellín en la facultad, seriais capaz de identificar su gen ibérico. Lo veo bastante clarito para tener tales rasgos indígenas según el , creo que es de los pocos indios puros que he visto que son mas bien apuestos, aunque la foto no le haga justicia . Un saludo

Aquí os dejo el enlace

https://imgur.com/QadbXl0

No es indígena man; lo veo harnizo o máximo harnizo-castizo (Juzgando sólo esa foto) en mi opinión

[HelloGuys]

Si bro es que a veces leer algunas cosas aca es medio fuerte, porque ademas de que uno no le ha hecho nada a los que se quejan de ''uno'' o la raza que uno representa, te hablan de ti, de tu familia, de tus amigos o de tu hogar como si hubieran leido tu biografia, es un poco molesto, pero ya he aprendido a como hacen ustedes, ignorar estas cosas aca un poco mejor, y ya despues que explote el otro dia, y con el break que me di esta ultima semana, me he salvado uno dolores de cabeza y me siento mucho mas tranquilo, este lugar es demasiado toxico a veces .

Es triste y molesto a la vez, leí en unos de sus posts (No recuerdo quién) que no consideran a los amerindios como humanos, por lo cuál imagino que piensan que los mestizos somos humanos de segunda...no puedo creer que no respeten uno de los derechos más básicos...a mí me falta mi break también, sólo estoy esperando que pase una semana más para desaparecer mínimo 1 mes

[Mixdguy17]

Es triste y molesto a la vez, leí en unos de sus posts (No recuerdo quién) que no consideran a los amerindios como humanos, por lo cuál imagino que piensan que los mestizos somos humanos de segunda...no puedo creer que no respeten uno de los derechos más básicos...a mí me falta mi break también, sólo estoy esperando que pase una semana más para desaparecer mínimo 1 mes

Si es que es impresionante, y ni se diga lo que dicen de los negros, en mi vida he visto tanta mierda como la que he visto aqui en 6 meses....

Ahorita que empiece las clases en Agosto otra vez, yo creo que tmb me ire al menos un mes.

[Defcon2]

south french, provenza, y occitania en una media del sur, eso lo tenia mas o menos claro, e igual meter al basque french ahí.

y el resto?

A córcega la dejaría sola, no casa bien en ningun lado, y con el basque french y los bretones tuve mis dudas si hacer lo mismo, supongo que tambien, o mezclarlos con los del norte, pais de calais etc...

solo tengo maso menos claro el sur. Cuales serian los que deberían ir en el cluster mas unico frances del centro?

Centro: French_Auvergne, French_Occitanie
Noroeste: French_Brittany, French_Seine-Maritime
Nordeste: French_Alsace, French_Nord, French_Paris, French_Pas-de-Calais
Sudeste: French_Provence, French_Corsica
Sudoeste: Basque_French, French_South

French_South y Basque son similares así que los pondría juntos:

Target: French_South
Distance: 3.0971% / 0.03097061
52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.6 WHG
1.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Basque_French
Distance: 3.7536% / 0.03753640
53.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.4 WHG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Corsica si es cierto que podría estar separado.

[samario]

Hola foro, recuerdo tener un compañero chileno-colombiano de medellín en la facultad, seriais capaz de identificar su gen ibérico. Lo veo bastante clarito para tener tales rasgos indígenas según el , creo que es de los pocos indios puros que he visto que son mas bien apuestos, aunque la foto no le haga justicia . Un saludo

Aquí os dejo el enlace

https://imgur.com/QadbXl0

Se ve más chileno que colombiano.

[gixajo]

Centro: French_Auvergne, French_Occitanie
Noroeste: French_Brittany, French_Seine-Maritime
Nordeste: French_Alsace, French_Nord, French_Paris, French_Pas-de-Calais
Sudeste: French_Provence, French_Corsica
Sudoeste: Basque_French, French_South

French_South y Basque son similares así que los pondría juntos:

Target: French_South
Distance: 3.0971% / 0.03097061
52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.6 WHG
1.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Basque_French
Distance: 3.7536% / 0.03753640
53.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.4 WHG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Corsica si es cierto que podría estar separado.

Voy a ver si a los franceses les parece bien tu propuesta, mi idea era de hacer zonas cercanas genéticamente, no simplemente por zonas geograficas.

Lo de seguir ese mapa, con las referencias que hay no tiene sentido, porque Auvergne según el mapa es "cluster Francés único" y su average es tirando claramente a Ibérico.

[gixajo]

Bueno , ya terminé las medias francesas, por si alguno tiene curiosidad:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327080-How-to-group-french-G25-pop-average-references-in-order-to-make-means-among-them

[gixajo]

Hiciste el promedio de tu madre y tu padre para ver qué sale? si es parecido a tus coordenadas originales y ver qué heredaste a parte de ellos dos, algún abuelo pudo haberte dejado algo extra.

g]

Target: Gixajo_Parents_Average
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled


Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01647267 Gixajo_Parents_Average

Distance to: Gixajo_Parents_Average
0.01760435 gixajo_dad_scaled
0.01760435 gixajo_mom_scaled

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02410583 gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02411292 gixajo_dad_scaled

Impresionante el resultado del modelo de Ancient Components de Celti.:eek:

https://i.imgur.com/IeKEAd8.png

[gixajo]

Habrá que meter mano a las referencias Italianas.

Una media de varios samples que representen al Sur y al Norte?

Cuáles serían los más representativos de cada para hacer una media que discrimine estas dos zonas?


Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582 ,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italian_Jew,0.0949283,0.1456271,-0.0186674,-0.0564927,0.0112941,-0.0245423,-0.003995,-0.002792,0.0128851,0.0191349,0.0045143,0.00021,0.0 021557,-0.0028762,-0.0066097,-0.0012331,-0.0011995,-0.0010515,-0.0011187,-0.0035893,-0.0039059,-0.0015456,-0.000123,0.0023617,0.0028741
Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.027153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0.0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524,0.035611,0.0 017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0.0020439,0.0 068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0.0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479

De los Sicilianos la acabo de hacer, igual a Rocinante le sirve, sabiendo que tiene cierta relación con Michael Corleone.


Sicilian_Average,0.10168200,0.14606700,-0.00383415,-0.03832935,0.01861865,-0.01259680,-0.00129250,0.00030765,0.01046465,0.02180770,0.0053 5865,0.00349700,-0.00418735,0.00250000,-0.00409415,-0.00483950,-0.00236850,-0.00059115,0.00180165,-0.00500250,0.00039535,0.00175180,-0.00254700,-0.00060250,0.00031915

Sicilian_Average,=Sicilian_East,+Sicilian_West

Target: Sicilian_Average
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
50.0 Sicilian_East
50.0 Sicilian_West

[gixajo]

Pongo aquí el enlace del hilo que he abierto para eso:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327340-How-to-group-Italian-samples-in-order-to-obtain-good-references&p=6788840#post6788840

[gixajo]

Pues ya está, creo...

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327423-Italian-G25-refrences-from-modern-pop-averages-groups

Sóis libres de opinar siempre que vuestras opiniones me gusten, si no me gusta lo que decís, restringiré vuestra libertad de expresión y os acusaré de cualquier cosa que se me ocurra y que pueda dejaros mal delante de los demás.

[FalangeAngeL JONS]

Hola. Aqui os dejo estas fotos mas fieles a mi persona, ya he adquirido 23andme a la espera de que me llegue el material para poder enviar las muestras y que me den los resultados de mi genética.

Hechadle porcentajes a mis rasgos, para luego cuando publique las pruebas ver cuanto os habéis aproximado (ej: 60% Amerindio, 30% ibérico...). Un saludo a todos.

https://imgur.com/a/kirLlKe

[gixajo]

Hola. Aqui os dejo estas fotos mas fieles a mi persona, ya he adquirido 23andme a la espera de que me llegue el material para poder enviar las muestras y que me den los resultados de mi genética.

Hechadle porcentajes a mis rasgos, para luego cuando publique las pruebas ver cuanto os habéis aproximado (ej: 60% Amerindio, 30% ibérico...). Un saludo a todos.

[l]
Pues igual tienes más suerte que yo, pero envié mis muestras de saliva de 23andme hace un mes y todavía no han llegado allá.

Tardaron dos días en llegar a Holanda, el 13 de Junio estaban ahí, pero a partir de ahí, vete a saber donde están.

Yo diría 66 % Ibérico 12% Sur de Italia&Grecia 10% Amerindio 7%Medio Oriente&Norte de África y 5% SSA.

[gixajo]

¿Sería una buena forma de hacer referencias del norte y sur de Portugal hacer algo así?

Norte de Portugal= Portugal+Galicia

Sur de Portugal=Portugal+Andalucia

Para hacer más referencias portuguesas, que solo hay una.

[mitalit]

Hola. Aqui os dejo estas fotos mas fieles a mi persona, ya he adquirido 23andme a la espera de que me llegue el material para poder enviar las muestras y que me den los resultados de mi genética.

Hechadle porcentajes a mis rasgos, para luego cuando publique las pruebas ver cuanto os habéis aproximado (ej: 60% Amerindio, 30% ibérico...). Un saludo a todos.

img

40% iberico, 8% norte de europa, 16% italiano, 8% SSA, 10% norte de africa, 18% amerindio

[mitalit]

¿Sería una buena forma de hacer referencias del norte y sur de Portugal hacer algo así?

Norte de Portugal= Portugal+Galicia

Sur de Portugal=Portugal+Andalucia

Para hacer más referencias portuguesas, que solo hay una.

No lo veo

[gixajo]

No lo veo

Purké?

[gold_fenix]

Gedmatch no tiene online para el G25 no?

[gixajo]

Gedmatch no tiene online para el G25 no?

Gedmatch no tiene G25, pero en vahaduo si haces tus coordenadas con el calculador de gedmatch adecuado(k13, k15, hay unos cuantos), te puede dar unas cuantas estimaciones.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

las coordenadas de cada calculador para meter en vahaduo se hacen con tu nombre después una coma y después los porcentajes (notación decimal americana con enteros y decimales separados con un punto) en orden separados por comas también.

metes eso en "target" y luego vas a single, y le das al boton con tu nombre y el resultado por defecto es sin distancias, luego puedes jugar con el ADD DIST COL: y poner 0.25X 0.5x etc, así como ir a "distances" y ver la distancia con cada referencia de "sources".

Si tienes dudas pregunta.

[Rocinante]

Gedmatch no tiene online para el G25 no?

Vale 12 USD sacarlo, yo te lo recomiendo la verdad. Por cierto, que me da curiosidad y persona el atrevimiento, que haplogrupo y que clado te dio el 23andme? Estoy haciendo un estimacion de clados del DF27 en Iberia y ver donde son mas comunes. Gracias.

[Damião de Góis]

¿Sería una buena forma de hacer referencias del norte y sur de Portugal hacer algo así?

Norte de Portugal= Portugal+Galicia

Sur de Portugal=Portugal+Andalucia

Para hacer más referencias portuguesas, que solo hay una.

Ruderico might have a few more samples. Me and Luso are from the south (Alentejo and Algarve). PT Tagus is South and Central and Brás is Central.
In theory you could make an average of me and Luso for southern Portugal. :p

[gold_fenix]

Vale 12 USD sacarlo, yo te lo recomiendo la verdad. Por cierto, que me da curiosidad y persona el atrevimiento, que haplogrupo y que clado te dio el 23andme? Estoy haciendo un estimacion de clados del DF27 en Iberia y ver donde son mas comunes. Gracias.

El paterno me daba el F, se acabo actualizando a H-P96, el materno es el V

[mitalit]

Purké?
Pues purke no

[gixajo]

Ruderico might have a few more samples. Me and Luso are from the south (Alentejo and Algarve). PT Tagus is South and Central and Brás is Central.
In theory you could make an average of me and Luso for southern Portugal. :p

Or an average between you and Luso with Portugal.

We could check in individual averages datasheet which Portuguese individual samples are more south shifted, and include Luso and you among them and make another average.

Same for Northern shifted Portugal individual averages including more Portuguese members who are more Northern Shifted...

[gixajo]

Pues purke no

Me has convencido!!!:icon_rolleyes:

[Rocinante]

El paterno me daba el F, se acabo actualizando a H-P96, el materno es el V

Pues entonces eres un caso especial tio, madre mia que suerte pillar algo asi la verdad. A ver que te da el predictor del YSEQ:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Ese predictor es lo mejor que hay ahora, dinos a ver que te sale.

[Damião de Góis]

Or an average between you and Luso with Portugal.

We could check in individual averages datasheet which Portuguese individual samples are more south shifted, and include Luso and you among them and make another average.

Same for Northern shifted Portugal individual averages including more Portuguese members who are more Northern Shifted...

That guy xavier from the other forum is from the north and he has more samples of his family members. I'm sure Ruderico has those samples because he is always making charts.

As for the samples they are all very similar so it will be difficult to split them into an hypothetical north and south:

https://i.imgur.com/152VYDk.png

[gixajo]

That guy xavier from the other forum is from the north and he has more samples of his family members. I'm sure Ruderico has those samples because he is always making charts.

As for the samples they are all very similar so it will be difficult to split them into an hypothetical north and south:

g]

We can use for it the same base that model type "are you closer to A or B", comparing them with 2 distant populations, one North and another one South, for example irish for North and Moroccans for South, and just catch the samples that are not extremelly close, for not to choose outlier-like individuals, for being extremelly Northern or extremelly Southern shifted.

Or comparing them with Galicians or Canarians, to choose closer references , or any other that could work.

[gold_fenix]

Pues entonces eres un caso especial tio, madre mia que suerte pillar algo asi la verdad. A ver que te da el predictor del YSEQ:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Ese predictor es lo mejor que hay ahora, dinos a ver que te sale.

Ya he solicitado la descarga pero me tienen que avisar cuando estará disponible

Edit: Acabo de encontrar el fichero, pero es la version 3 de hace unos años

[Rocinante]

Ya he solicitado la descarga pero me tienen que avisar cuando estará disponible

La descarga? Donde te has metido? No hay que descargar nada xD

[Damião de Góis]

We can use for it the same base that model type "are you closer to A or B", comparing them with 2 distant populations, one North and another one South, for example irish for North and Moroccans for South, and just catch the samples that are not extremelly close, for not to choose outlier-like individuals, for being extremelly Northern or extremelly Southern shifted.

Or comparing them with Galicians or Canarians, to choose closer references , or any other that could work.

Then i would say Andalucia for southerners (it's my top population).

[gold_fenix]

La descarga? Donde te has metido? No hay que descargar nada xD

Ya tengo los datos del V4:

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is H-P96 Link to H-P96 on YFull View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

H-P96 BY16712(?) BY37017(?) FGC17422(?) FGC30702(?) FGC55031(?) FGC55040/Z41269(?) FGC55049(?) FGC55055(?) FGC55058/Z41270(?) FGC55080(?) FGC55083(?) FGC55093(?) FT65903(?) FT65908(?) L279($) L281($) L284(?) L285($) L286($) L449/PF6223(?) M1668/E370(?) M282+ M9893/V6047(?) P96+ SK1175($) SK1176(?) SK1179($) SK1181/Z19005(?) SK1185/Z18923(?) SK1189($) SK1191($) V140(?) Y19954(?) Y19955($) Y19957/Z41271(?) Y19958(?) Y19959(?) Y19960($) Y19963(?) Y19964(?) Y19965(?) Y19966(?) Y20183(?) Y20184($) Y20185(?) Y20186(?) Y20188(?) Y20189($) Y20190(?) Y20192(?) Y20193(?) Y20230(?) Y20231(?) Y20232($) Y20234($) Y21136(?) Y21137(?) Y21138(?) Y21139(?) Y21140(?) Y21584($) Y21585($) Y21586(?) Y21587($) Y21588(?) Y21590(?) Y21593($) Y21594(?) Y21595(?) Y21596(?) Y21599($) Y21600(?) Y21601(?) Y21606($) Y21607($) Y21608($) Y21610(?) Y21611($) Y21613($) Y21614($) Y21615($) Y21617(?) Y21619(?) Y21621(?) Y21626(?) Y21629(?) Y21631(?) Y21638($) Y21643(?) Y21645(?) Y21646(?) Y21648(?) Y21650(?) Y21652(?) Y21653($) Y21655(?) Y21656(?) Y21657($) Y21658(?) Y21659($) Y21661(?) Y21662(?) Y21664(?) Y21667(?) Y21668/Z41268(?) Y21670(?) Y22873(?) Y33123(?) Y33124(?) Y33125(?) Y34462(?) YP5329(?) Z18824(?) Z18825/SK1174(?) Z18826(?) Z18827(?) Z18828($) Z18829($) Z18830($) Z18831(?) Z18833(?) Z18834(?) Z18835(?) Z18836(?) Z18837(?) Z18838(?) Z18839($) Z18841($) Z18842(?) Z18843(?) Z18845(?) Z18846(?) Z18847(?) Z18848($) Z18849($) Z18850(?) Z18853($) Z18854($) Z18855($) Z18856(?) Z18857(?) Z18858(?) Z18859(?) Z18860(?) Z18861(?) Z18863(?) Z18864(?) Z18865($) Z18866(?) Z18867($) Z18868(?) Z18869(?) Z18870(?) Z18871(?) Z18872(?) Z18873(?) Z18874($) Z18875(?) Z18876(?) Z18877(?) Z18878(?) Z18879(?) Z18880(?) Z18881(?) Z18882(?) Z18883($) Z18884(?) Z18885(?) Z18887(?) Z18888(?) Z18889(?) Z18890(?) Z18891(?) Z18892($) Z18893(?) Z18894(?) Z18895(?) Z18897(?) Z18898(?) Z18899($) Z18900($) Z18901($) Z18902($) Z18904(?) Z18905($) Z18906($) Z18907(?) Z18909($) Z18910(?) Z18911($) Z18912(?) Z18913($) Z18914(?) Z18915($) Z18916(?) Z18918(?) Z18919(?) Z18920(?) Z18921($) Z18922(?) Z18925($) Z18926(?) Z18927(?) Z18928($) Z18929(?) Z18930/SK1184(?) Z18931($) Z18932(?) Z18933(?) Z18934($) Z18935(?) Z18936(?) Z18937(?) Z18939(?) Z18940(?) Z18941(?) Z18942($) Z18943($) Z18944(?) Z18946($) Z18947($) Z18949(?) Z18950(?) Z18951($) Z18952(?) Z18953(?) Z18955($) Z18956($) Z18957(?) Z18958($) Z18959($) Z18960(?) Z18961($) Z18963(?) Z18964(?) Z18967(?) Z18969(?) Z18971(?) Z18972(?) Z18973($) Z18974($) Z18975(?) Z18976(?) Z18977(?) Z18979(?) Z18980(?) Z18981/SK1183(?) Z18982(?) Z18983/SK1187(?) Z18984/SK1178(?) Z18985(?) Z18986(?) Z18988(?) Z18989(?) Z18990($) Z18991(?) Z18992($) Z18994($) Z18995($) Z18996($) Z18997(?) Z18998(?) Z18999(?) Z19000(?) Z19001(?) Z19002(?) Z19004(?) Z19006(?) Z19008($) Z19009(?) Z19010(?) Z19011(?) Z19013($) Z19014(?) Z19015(?) Z19016(?) Z19017(?) Z19018(?) Z19019(?) Z19021($) Z19022(?) Z19023(?) Z19024(?) Z19025(?) Z19026(?) Z19028(?) Z19029(?) Z19030(?) Z19031(?) Z19032($) Z41272/FGC55124(?) GG300/Z18978/GG300.1/GG300.2/Z18978.2(?) V139.2(?)
┣━H-Y21618 +1 BY44412(?) FGC55051(?) Y21618(?) Z18832(?) Z19075($) Z19080(?) Z19112(?)
┗━H-Y28140 +1 Y142011(?) Y28139/Z41278(?) Y28140/Z41279(?) Y28141(?) Y28142(?) Y28143/Z41282(?) Y28144/Z41287($) Y28145/Z41290(?) Y28146/Z41292(?) Y28147/Z41297($) Y28148/Z41298(?) Y28149/Z41302($) Y33126/BY16732(?) Y33127(?) Y33128/BY16706(?) Y33129/BY16710(?) Y33130(?) Z41277/BZ1462($) Z41280(?) Z41281(?) Z41283(?) Z41284(?) Z41285(?) Z41286(?) Z41288(?) Z41293(?) Z41294(?) Z41295(?) Z41296($) Z41300(?) Z41301(?) Z41304(?) Z15373/Z15373.1/Z15373.2($)

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Next best prediction (scored 34 compared to 34) F

[gixajo]

Then i would say Andalucia for southerners (it's my top population).

Andalusia sample of datasheet is quite Iberian average, is not specially southern shifted as expected but could work well.

[Damião de Góis]

Andalusia sample of datasheet is quite Iberian average, is not specially southern shifted as expected but could work well.

North is Galicia, South is Andalucia:

https://i.imgur.com/2wlVKIV.png

[gixajo]

Then i would say Andalucia for southerners (it's my top population).

So now we need to mark the criterium to separate them in Northern and Southern shifted:

https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png

[gixajo]

We did the same thing...

[gixajo]

More than 60 in any of both components Northern or southern shifted?

maybe more than 70?

[Damião de Góis]

So now we need to mark the criterium to separate them in Northern and Southern shifted:



I tried Canarias and didn't work, everyone favoured Galicia. I don't know how many you think would be needed to make a decent sample. Since the samples are not many, maybe everyone > 70% ?
Btw, it guessed me correctly as southerner.

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png

According to this:


Southern shifted samples
ebc10
ebc12
ebc9
por9
por12
por13
por14
por15
por6
por8
por9

Northern shifted samples

ebc1
ebc11
ebc13
ebc2
ebc7
por11
por2
por3
por4

[gixajo]

So 11 Andalusia shifted and 9 Galicia shifted.

Tomorrow is already quite late, but i will do, if we are agree that this could work well.

[Damião de Góis]

So 11 Andalusia shifted and 9 Galicia shifted.

Tomorrow is already quite late, but i will do, if we are agree that this could work well.

Yeah, just for experimentation. And thanks!

[Luso]

if you're trying to make a southern Portuguese sample I can put my G25 coordinates here. Just lmk

[gixajo]

if you're trying to make a southern Portuguese sample I can put my G25 coordinates here. Just lmk

Don´t worry, first better do those means, and then if they work well, we can think in adding Portuguese members of the forum, or not.

[Luso]

Don´t worry, first better do those means, and then if they work well, we can think in adding Portuguese members of the forum, or not.

sounds good. boa noite :)

[HelloGuys]

Cuál es la diferencia genética entre un español y un portugués?

[Rocinante]

Ya tengo los datos del V4:

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is H-P96 Link to H-P96 on YFull View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

H-P96 BY16712(?) BY37017(?) FGC17422(?) FGC30702(?) FGC55031(?) FGC55040/Z41269(?) FGC55049(?) FGC55055(?) FGC55058/Z41270(?) FGC55080(?) FGC55083(?) FGC55093(?) FT65903(?) FT65908(?) L279($) L281($) L284(?) L285($) L286($) L449/PF6223(?) M1668/E370(?) M282+ M9893/V6047(?) P96+ SK1175($) SK1176(?) SK1179($) SK1181/Z19005(?) SK1185/Z18923(?) SK1189($) SK1191($) V140(?) Y19954(?) Y19955($) Y19957/Z41271(?) Y19958(?) Y19959(?) Y19960($) Y19963(?) Y19964(?) Y19965(?) Y19966(?) Y20183(?) Y20184($) Y20185(?) Y20186(?) Y20188(?) Y20189($) Y20190(?) Y20192(?) Y20193(?) Y20230(?) Y20231(?) Y20232($) Y20234($) Y21136(?) Y21137(?) Y21138(?) Y21139(?) Y21140(?) Y21584($) Y21585($) Y21586(?) Y21587($) Y21588(?) Y21590(?) Y21593($) Y21594(?) Y21595(?) Y21596(?) Y21599($) Y21600(?) Y21601(?) Y21606($) Y21607($) Y21608($) Y21610(?) Y21611($) Y21613($) Y21614($) Y21615($) Y21617(?) Y21619(?) Y21621(?) Y21626(?) Y21629(?) Y21631(?) Y21638($) Y21643(?) Y21645(?) Y21646(?) Y21648(?) Y21650(?) Y21652(?) Y21653($) Y21655(?) Y21656(?) Y21657($) Y21658(?) Y21659($) Y21661(?) Y21662(?) Y21664(?) Y21667(?) Y21668/Z41268(?) Y21670(?) Y22873(?) Y33123(?) Y33124(?) Y33125(?) Y34462(?) YP5329(?) Z18824(?) Z18825/SK1174(?) Z18826(?) Z18827(?) Z18828($) Z18829($) Z18830($) Z18831(?) Z18833(?) Z18834(?) Z18835(?) Z18836(?) Z18837(?) Z18838(?) Z18839($) Z18841($) Z18842(?) Z18843(?) Z18845(?) Z18846(?) Z18847(?) Z18848($) Z18849($) Z18850(?) Z18853($) Z18854($) Z18855($) Z18856(?) Z18857(?) Z18858(?) Z18859(?) Z18860(?) Z18861(?) Z18863(?) Z18864(?) Z18865($) Z18866(?) Z18867($) Z18868(?) Z18869(?) Z18870(?) Z18871(?) Z18872(?) Z18873(?) Z18874($) Z18875(?) Z18876(?) Z18877(?) Z18878(?) Z18879(?) Z18880(?) Z18881(?) Z18882(?) Z18883($) Z18884(?) Z18885(?) Z18887(?) Z18888(?) Z18889(?) Z18890(?) Z18891(?) Z18892($) Z18893(?) Z18894(?) Z18895(?) Z18897(?) Z18898(?) Z18899($) Z18900($) Z18901($) Z18902($) Z18904(?) Z18905($) Z18906($) Z18907(?) Z18909($) Z18910(?) Z18911($) Z18912(?) Z18913($) Z18914(?) Z18915($) Z18916(?) Z18918(?) Z18919(?) Z18920(?) Z18921($) Z18922(?) Z18925($) Z18926(?) Z18927(?) Z18928($) Z18929(?) Z18930/SK1184(?) Z18931($) Z18932(?) Z18933(?) Z18934($) Z18935(?) Z18936(?) Z18937(?) Z18939(?) Z18940(?) Z18941(?) Z18942($) Z18943($) Z18944(?) Z18946($) Z18947($) Z18949(?) Z18950(?) Z18951($) Z18952(?) Z18953(?) Z18955($) Z18956($) Z18957(?) Z18958($) Z18959($) Z18960(?) Z18961($) Z18963(?) Z18964(?) Z18967(?) Z18969(?) Z18971(?) Z18972(?) Z18973($) Z18974($) Z18975(?) Z18976(?) Z18977(?) Z18979(?) Z18980(?) Z18981/SK1183(?) Z18982(?) Z18983/SK1187(?) Z18984/SK1178(?) Z18985(?) Z18986(?) Z18988(?) Z18989(?) Z18990($) Z18991(?) Z18992($) Z18994($) Z18995($) Z18996($) Z18997(?) Z18998(?) Z18999(?) Z19000(?) Z19001(?) Z19002(?) Z19004(?) Z19006(?) Z19008($) Z19009(?) Z19010(?) Z19011(?) Z19013($) Z19014(?) Z19015(?) Z19016(?) Z19017(?) Z19018(?) Z19019(?) Z19021($) Z19022(?) Z19023(?) Z19024(?) Z19025(?) Z19026(?) Z19028(?) Z19029(?) Z19030(?) Z19031(?) Z19032($) Z41272/FGC55124(?) GG300/Z18978/GG300.1/GG300.2/Z18978.2(?) V139.2(?)
┣━H-Y21618 +1 BY44412(?) FGC55051(?) Y21618(?) Z18832(?) Z19075($) Z19080(?) Z19112(?)
┗━H-Y28140 +1 Y142011(?) Y28139/Z41278(?) Y28140/Z41279(?) Y28141(?) Y28142(?) Y28143/Z41282(?) Y28144/Z41287($) Y28145/Z41290(?) Y28146/Z41292(?) Y28147/Z41297($) Y28148/Z41298(?) Y28149/Z41302($) Y33126/BY16732(?) Y33127(?) Y33128/BY16706(?) Y33129/BY16710(?) Y33130(?) Z41277/BZ1462($) Z41280(?) Z41281(?) Z41283(?) Z41284(?) Z41285(?) Z41286(?) Z41288(?) Z41293(?) Z41294(?) Z41295(?) Z41296($) Z41300(?) Z41301(?) Z41304(?) Z15373/Z15373.1/Z15373.2($)

Available Panels
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Next best prediction (scored 34 compared to 34) F

Gracias compa!

Te has sacado la loteria, porque no siempre se saca un H2 como haplogrupo paterno en Iberia. Mira, he investigado un poquito y gracias a un articulo en ncbi he dado con la hipotesis mas aceptada de donde viene tu H-96:

Mina3 Iberia MN La Mina 41.3 −2.3 3900–3600 M K1a1b1 H2 0.3


I0405, I0406, I0407, I0408, 3900–3600 BCE

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040

I0405
mtDNA: K1a1b1
Y-DNA: H2

Target: Iberia_MN:I0405
Distance: 5.0807% / 0.05080731
75.4 Early_European_Farmer
22.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Sin lugar a dudas tu haplogrupo es de los iberos, y provenientemente de los Agricultores del Neolitico.

[Defcon2]

So 11 Andalusia shifted and 9 Galicia shifted.

Tomorrow is already quite late, but i will do, if we are agree that this could work well.

Si solo utilizas 2 referencias estás lanzando una moneda la aire, para saber si está desplazado al norte o al sur una muestra sería mejor usar una calculadora antigua.

[gixajo]

Done.


Southern_Portuguese,0.10483100,0.14471290,0.033940 800,-0.00458660,0.04302320,-0.00479680,-0.00291400,0.00309200,0.02685390,0.02906680,-0.00175370,0.00768820,-0.01387000,-0.00831250,0.01319210,-0.00592670,-0.00813590,-0.00048150,-0.00607130,-0.00221360,0.00321920,-0.00096450,0.00023430,-0.00231350,0.00216750
Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.037963 56,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.0018 0422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922

Southern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal10,+EBC_Portugal1 2,+EBC_Portugal9,+Portugal12,+Portugal13,+Portugal 14,+Portugal15,+Portugal6,+Portugal8,+Portugal9,

Northern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal1,+EBC_Portugal11 ,+EBC_Portugal13,+EBC_Portugal2,+EBC_Portugal7,+Po rtugal11,+Portugal2,+Portugal3,+Portugal4,

Only Portugal14 sample score differently in what is suposed that he has to score , and practically score 50/50.

(N=suposedly North, S=suposedly South):

https://i.imgur.com/dIpyTx1.png

[gixajo]

Si solo utilizas 2 referencias estás lanzando una moneda la aire, para saber si está desplazado al norte o al sur una muestra sería mejor usar una calculadora antigua.

Pues no salió tan mal.

Quitamos los más promedio, de 19 solo 1 marca ambiguo, no está mal.

[gixajo]

Si solo utilizas 2 referencias estás lanzando una moneda la aire, para saber si está desplazado al norte o al sur una muestra sería mejor usar una calculadora antigua.

Las diferencias en un calculador antiguo entre individuos del mismo país , salvo casos extremos no creo que sean fáciles de catalogar como que tiran al norte o al sur.

Cualde los 30 samples de EEF tira mas al norte o al sur, cual de los Hg o de los Steppe? Te vas a basar solo en la cantidad de NA o SSA? y si tiene de la India también? y si las diferencias son mínimas?

Es más difícil establecer un criterio claro de catalogación con tantas variables. Spaniard y yo ploteamos similar en cuanto a nroteños en un pca, y sin embargo nuestras proporciones de resultados de cada cosa es muy diferente.

[Defcon2]

Las diferencias en un calculador antiguo entre individuos del mismo país , salvo casos extremos no creo que sean fáciles de catalogar como que tiran al norte o al sur.

Cualde los 30 samples de EEF tira mas al norte o al sur, cual de los Hg o de los Steppe? Te vas a basar solo en la cantidad de NA o SSA? y si tiene de la India también? y si las diferencias son mínimas?

Es más difícil establecer un criterio claro de catalogación con tantas variables. Spaniard y yo ploteamos similar en cuanto a nroteños en un pca, y sin embargo nuestras proporciones de resultados de cada cosa es muy diferente.

Los componentes norteños para calcularlos es suficiente con sumar el whg y la estepa. Tu plotas al norte por esa suma, eres superior a cualquiera de aquí en whg y spaniard lo mismo en estepa.

[gixajo]

Si solo utilizas 2 referencias estás lanzando una moneda la aire, para saber si está desplazado al norte o al sur una muestra sería mejor usar una calculadora antigua.

Las diferencias en un calculador antiguo entre individuos del mismo país , salvo casos extremos no creo que sean fáciles de catalogar como que tiran al norte o al sur.

Cualde los 30 samples de EEF tira mas al norte o al sur, cual de los Hg o de los Steppe? Te vas a basar solo en la cantidad de NA o SSA? y si tiene de la India también? y si las diferencias son mínimas?

Es más difícil establecer un criterio claro de catalogación con tantas variables. Spaniard y yo ploteamos similar en cuanto a nroteños en un pca, y sin embargo nuestras proporciones de resultados de cada cosa es muy diferente.

[Rocinante]

EEF > WSH > WHG

[gixajo]

Los componentes norteños para calcularlos es suficiente con sumar el whg y la estepa. Tu plotas al norte por esa suma, eres superior a cualquiera de aquí en whg y spaniard lo mismo en estepa.

No es tan fácil, hay samples de Hg y de estepa diferentes, y unos son más norteños que otros. Yo al menos cometería más errores y tardaría bastante más solo en clasificar los 25 individuos portugueses y volver a corregir los grupos etc, que haciendo lo que hice.

Salvo que estudies en profundidad cada sample de las sources del calculador de Celtíbero, le asignes a cada sample un valor de "nordicidad" , hagas una tabla con todos los resultados multiplicando por cada porcentaje de los ciento y pico samples y los resultados de los 25 individuos, y asi cada individuo según cada porcentaje de cada resultado tenga asignado un valor de "nordicidad", mirando la suma total.

A mí me da pereza solo de pensarlo, si quieres hacerlo tú.

Andalucía abajo y Galicia arriba, un método analítico simple y funcional, tampoco somos nada más que unos amateurs pasando el tiempo, no necesitamos más precisión.

Y si funciona bien, y si no, no ha habido muertos.;)

Se tiran las medias a la basura y reciclamos los números metiéndolos por la ranura del usb del ordenador, para que no se le gasten.:p

[gixajo]

EEF > WSH > WHG

Pues hala, adelante, si tan claro lo véis.:rolleyes:

[gixajo]

Bueno, estoy siendo muy tiquismiquis, teniendo un poco ojo , y vosotros lo tenéis, puede salir bien la cosa.

Además con los antecedentes que tengo de cosas que funcionan muy bien como idea y luego en la práctica son absurdas y funcionan de aquella manera, seguro que los catalogáis cualquiera de los dos mejor que yo.:D

Pero por favor, haced vosotros las medias, quiero descansar un poco.:picard1:

[Defcon2]

No es tan fácil, hay samples de Hg y de estepa diferentes, y unos son más norteños que otros. Yo al menos cometería más errores y tardaría bastante más solo en clasificar los 25 individuos portugueses y volver a corregir los grupos etc, que haciendo lo que hice.

Salvo que estudies en profundidad cada sample de las sources del calculador de Celtíbero, le asignes a cada sample un valor de "nordicidad" , hagas una tabla con todos los resultados multiplicando por cada porcentaje de los ciento y pico samples y los resultados de los 25 individuos, y asi cada individuo según cada porcentaje de cada resultado tenga asignado un valor de "nordicidad", mirando la suma total.

A mí me da pereza solo de pensarlo, si quieres hacerlo tú.

Andalucía abajo y Galicia arriba, un método analítico simple y funcional, tampoco somos nada más que unos amateurs pasando el tiempo, no necesitamos más precisión.

Y si funciona bien, y si no, no ha habido muertos.;)

Se tiran las medias a la basura y reciclamos los números metiéndolos por la ranura del usb del ordenador, para que no se le gasten.:p

Es fácil saber quién es más norteño comparando unos con otros, es a la hora de establecer un baremo de "nordicidad" cuando se complica, es decir a partir de qué porcentaje se puede considerar una persona española/portuguesa norteña. He pensado en juntar todas las muestras ibéricas disponibles y si superas el promedio (WHG + STEPPE) puedes considerarte norteño.

En mi calculador es posible discernir quién es más norteño y quién más sureño.

https://i.imgur.com/5E6GSvg.png

[gixajo]

Es fácil saber quién es más norteño comparando unos con otros, es a la hora de establecer un baremo de "nordicidad" cuando se complica, es decir a partir de qué porcentaje se puede considerar una persona española/portuguesa norteña. He pensado en juntar todas las muestras ibéricas disponibles y si superas el promedio (WHG + STEPPE) puedes considerarte norteño.

En mi calculador es posible discernir quién es más norteño y quién más sureño.

[g]

Tienes las de Spaniard, miralas tambien, en teoría es igual de norteño que mi madre en los pca.

Hazlo con las portuguesas ya que estamos, y así los portugueses tienen otras dos referencias para elegir, y como digo, con mi historial, serán mejores que las mías.:picard1:

[Rocinante]

A ver, el único componente que de verdad es norteño es el WSH, ya que tiene su peaking en Shetland, ya que el WHG en realidad tiene su peaking en los vascos, seria más que todo un componente distribuido por Europa pero que va desapareciendo mientras más al sureste te vayas.

[gold_fenix]

Gracias compa!

Te has sacado la loteria, porque no siempre se saca un H2 como haplogrupo paterno en Iberia. Mira, he investigado un poquito y gracias a un articulo en ncbi he dado con la hipotesis mas aceptada de donde viene tu H-96:

Mina3 Iberia MN La Mina 41.3 −2.3 3900–3600 M K1a1b1 H2 0.3


I0405, I0406, I0407, I0408, 3900–3600 BCE

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040

I0405
mtDNA: K1a1b1
Y-DNA: H2

Target: Iberia_MN:I0405
Distance: 5.0807% / 0.05080731
75.4 Early_European_Farmer
22.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Sin lugar a dudas tu haplogrupo es de los iberos, y provenientemente de los Agricultores del Neolitico.

Soy una genetica extraña jejeje aunque yo creo que mis ancestros son bastante antiguos en la peninsula en realidad, para mi ancestros me sale bastante orientado a los vascos, cuando publicaba alguna foto mía por el foro había varios extranjeros que decían que no lucia español o el era el que menos lucia de iberico de los foreros peninsulares en el sentido que mis rasgos no eran del sur de Europa, creo que les resultaba extraño esa combinacion de pelo super oscuro y piel muy clara con complexión robusta.

[gixajo]

A ver, el único componente que de verdad es norteño es el WSH, ya que tiene su peaking en Shetland, ya que el WHG en realidad tiene su peaking en los vascos, seria más que todo un componente distribuido por Europa pero que va desapareciendo mientras más al sureste te vayas.

A ver, tenéis de referencia lo que posteé yo, según eso solo hay un sample dudoso, que mire su método y se oriente con lo que hice yo, salvo que vea muchas incongruencias.

Dos métodos a la vez, mejor que uno, y ahora estamos tres para opinar, mejor que uno solo, aunque la decisión de tomar Galicia y Andalucía como referencias norte y sur fue consensuada con Damiao.

[gixajo]

Ahora que lo pienso, si solo separamos los individuos en "Galicia shifted" y "Andalucia shifted", no exactamente en norteños en plan toda Europa, solo norteños localmente, así que no sirve todo eso, ya en teoría, los gallegos tienen mucho componente NA y levantino, no?

Edit:aunque compensado con otros componentes más norteños.

[Defcon2]

A ver, el único componente que de verdad es norteño es el WSH, ya que tiene su peaking en Shetland, ya que el WHG en realidad tiene su peaking en los vascos, seria más que todo un componente distribuido por Europa pero que va desapareciendo mientras más al sureste te vayas.

No sé cuánto componente escandinavo cazador recolector tendremos los españoles (risas) pero el WHG nos sirve a los españoles para saber nuestro grado de similitud con los europeos del norte, como se ve aquí e imagino que el cálculo se las arreglará para sumar el WSH en estepa o bien en WHG:

https://i.imgur.com/ZAQE3p2.png

[Defcon2]

Ahora que lo pienso, si solo separamos los individuos en "Galicia shifted" y "Andalucia shifted", no exactamente en norteños en plan toda Europa, solo norteños localmente, así que no sirve todo eso, ya en teoría, los gallegos tienen mucho componente NA y levantino, no?

Edit:aunque compensado con otros componentes más norteños.

Es por eso que no es fiable y si tuviese que medir la "nordicidad" con samples españoles elegiría a los catalanes.

[Defcon2]

¿Los catalanes? Ellos tienen mucha influencia francesa por la Marca Hispánica..

Si, por eso tienen un poquito más de germánico traído por los galos, en realidad ese extra germano es traído principalmente por los franceses a la peninsula ibérica el resto es ascendencia compartida esteparia.

[Damião de Góis]

Done.


Southern_Portuguese,0.10483100,0.14471290,0.033940 800,-0.00458660,0.04302320,-0.00479680,-0.00291400,0.00309200,0.02685390,0.02906680,-0.00175370,0.00768820,-0.01387000,-0.00831250,0.01319210,-0.00592670,-0.00813590,-0.00048150,-0.00607130,-0.00221360,0.00321920,-0.00096450,0.00023430,-0.00231350,0.00216750
Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.037963 56,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.0018 0422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922

Southern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal10,+EBC_Portugal1 2,+EBC_Portugal9,+Portugal12,+Portugal13,+Portugal 14,+Portugal15,+Portugal6,+Portugal8,+Portugal9,

Northern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal1,+EBC_Portugal11 ,+EBC_Portugal13,+EBC_Portugal2,+EBC_Portugal7,+Po rtugal11,+Portugal2,+Portugal3,+Portugal4,

Only Portugal14 sample score differently in what is suposed that he has to score , and practically score 50/50.

(N=suposedly North, S=suposedly South):

https://i.imgur.com/dIpyTx1.png

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.2331% / 0.02233145
100.0 Southern_Portuguese

https://i.imgur.com/rdz46BH.jpg

Not sure how they would be in reality. Slightly higher steppe in the north should be expected. I would also expect higher african in the south going by this:


https://scontent.flis5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61538759_1187704424735053_2208587417575751680_n.pn g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=xWYfLoRzANMAX_MXa4r&_nc_ht=scontent.flis5-1.fna&oh=57a2bd4cfedfca154468fa35c5e5ce61&oe=5F2F0842


Don't know what to make of the WHG or EEF.

Using the latest averages:

Distance to: Gil_Vicente
0.02233145 Southern_Portuguese
0.02256008 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02488614 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02507821 Spanish_Galicia
0.02589305 Spanish_Alacant
0.02627439 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02845471 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02973615 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03028934 Spanish_Valencia
0.03034411 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03062782 Spanish_Murcia
0.03140340 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03148799 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03172354 Spanish_Asturias
0.03199310 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03214734 Spanish_Baleares
0.03237051 Spanish_Menorca
0.03258607 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03268666 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03279146 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03296248 Spanish_Penedes
0.03353749 Northern_Portuguese
0.03384714 Spanish_Aragon
0.03456525 Spanish_Girona
0.03470729 Spanish_Pirineu

Here Northern_Portuguese came out too far, should be nearer Galicia. Given how close they are, don't really know why they are so far apart from me.


No sé cuánto componente escandinavo cazador recolector tendremos los españoles (risas) pero el WHG nos sirve a los españoles para saber nuestro grado de similitud con los europeos del norte, como se ve aquí e imagino que el cálculo se las arreglará para sumar el WSH en estepa o bien en WHG:

https://i.imgur.com/ZAQE3p2.png

Could you share the sources so i could make experiments?

[Ruderico]

No hay diferencias conocidas entre el norte y sur de Portugal, la diferencia parece ser personal y no regional

https://i.postimg.cc/0v3Ff4Jq/k7admix.png


..pero si las hay, has trocado el norte y sur
https://i.postimg.cc/W4vs79RM/nortesul.png


PS: Y yo no usaría scaling para muestras modernas/submodernas

[Damião de Góis]

No hay diferencias conocidas entre el norte y sur de Portugal, la diferencia parece ser personal y no regional

https://i.postimg.cc/0v3Ff4Jq/k7admix.png


..pero si las hay, has trocado el norte y sur
https://i.postimg.cc/W4vs79RM/nortesul.png

À falta de melhor estamos a especular. Parece lógico considerar que as samples do norte estariam mais perto da Galiza e as samples do sul mais perto da Andaluzia, mas pode não ser assim. É possível ver como o xavierlima ficava nesta experiência? Ou outras samples do norte que possas ter.

[gixajo]

No hay diferencias conocidas entre el norte y sur de Portugal, la diferencia parece ser personal y no regional

https://i.postimg.cc/0v3Ff4Jq/k7admix.png


..pero si las hay, has trocado el norte y sur
https://i.postimg.cc/W4vs79RM/nortesul.png


PS: Y yo no usaría scaling para muestras modernas/submodernas

Sí, en general sóis bastante homogéneos, al menos lo son esos 25 samples.

Edit:A ver que mire, les cambié el nombre varias veces...

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png

No, no están cambiadas, las Northern son las que más puntúan en Galician


Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.037963 56,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.0018 0422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922

North_Portugal,=EBC_Portugal1,+EBC_Portugal11,+EBC _Portugal13,+EBC_Portugal2,+EBC_Portugal7,+Portuga l11,+Portugal2,+Portugal3,+Portugal4,

Y las Southern las que más en Andalucía.

Southern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal10,+EBC_Portugal1 2,+EBC_Portugal9,+Portugal12,+Portugal13,+Portugal 14,+Portugal15,+Portugal6,+Portugal8,+Portugal9,

Target: South_Portugal
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
10.0 EBC_Portugal10
10.0 EBC_Portugal12
10.0 EBC_Portugal9
10.0 Portugal12
10.0 Portugal13
10.0 Portugal14
10.0 Portugal15
10.0 Portugal6
10.0 Portugal8
10.0 Portugal9


Creo que está bien.

Ahí están las referencias individuales del datasheet de samples individuales.

[Ruderico]

À falta de melhor estamos a especular. Parece lógico considerar que as samples do norte estariam mais perto da Galiza e as samples do sul mais perto da Andaluzia, mas pode não ser assim. É possível ver como o xavierlima ficava nesta experiência? Ou outras samples do norte que possas ter.

Não é nem deixa de ser, não há nenhum indício que sugira diferenças entre o norte e o sul aqui em Portugal.
O que vês ali no máximo é um litoral vs interior, com correlação semelhante em Espanha, daí que à medida que te afastes da costa ocidental uma das componentes aumente e a outra baixe - de um lado tens a Galiza e a Extremadura, do outro Astúrias e a Andaluzia que estão mais próximas à maioria das referências do centro de Espanha.

https://i.imgur.com/0YC791V.png

O Xavier também fica 100% Sul, apesar de ser nortenho de gema, mas totalmente do litoral.

[gixajo]

A ver, no sabemos de donde son las muestras y solo hay 25 individuos, no he separado muestras de individuos del sur y del norte de Portugal, solo he separado individuos que en teoría se acercarían más a galicia, según su genética, o a Andalucía.

Y ahora que lo pienso, no miramos también las distancias , para haber quitado a las demasiado distantes aunque puntuaran alto en uno u otro.:picard1:

En todo caso, según lo que hicimos ayer, estos serían los samples:


NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal1,0.105855,0.145221,0.0411 06,-0.001938,0.036314,-0.000558,-0.005405,-0.005538,0.026997,0.030251,-0.001624,0.013488,-0.013379,-0.013212,0.015065,0.001989,0.001956,0.00038,-0.008422,-0.001251,-0.001747,-0.001731,-0.002095,-0.00253,0.001557
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal10,0.105855,0.144205,0.039 221,-0.007106,0.041546,-0.001673,-0.00094,0.009461,0.032315,0.034443,0.002273,0.0067 44,-0.007879,-0.007707,0.009229,-0.006629,-0.014473,-0.00266,-0.007919,5e-04,-0.000125,0.001237,0.003328,-0.001205,0.002874
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal11,0.104717,0.141159,0.035 072,-0.001938,0.038161,-0.001116,-0.004465,0.004846,0.03027,0.027518,0.005846,0.0071 94,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.011672,0.001193,0.00339,-0.003674,-0.005531,5e-04,-0.001123,-0.002473,-0.000739,-0.009399,0.00455
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal12,0.102441,0.146236,0.038 466,-0.001615,0.039084,-0.001952,-0.002585,0.006692,0.023725,0.028976,-0.000974,0.004646,-0.009812,-0.004542,0.010586,-0.008751,-0.015125,0.00076,-0.005531,-0.001751,0.004367,-0.001237,0.003081,-0.005543,0.003233
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal13,0.104717,0.147252,0.030 17,-0.002261,0.043085,0.001116,-0.00846,-0.002308,0.023725,0.034807,0.004709,0.002847,-0.015907,-0.014313,0.009636,0.001591,-0.001956,0.000887,-0.007668,-0.000375,0.005241,-0.007048,0.00419,-0.001084,0.000599
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal2,0.09675,0.142174,0.02903 8,-0.009044,0.0397,-0.010319,-0.00047,-0.001385,0.019225,0.026606,-0.00065,0.003447,-0.007284,-0.017203,0.006786,0.014452,0.024643,-0.002154,-0.005154,0.005628,0.002121,-0.006306,-0.001479,0.007832,-0.003592
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal7,0.104717,0.147252,0.0395 98,-0.010336,0.035699,-0.004741,-0.004465,0.003461,0.022907,0.02442,0,0.005395,-0.009663,-0.016928,0.003664,0.004773,-0.00013,0.001647,-0.002011,-0.005378,0.001996,-0.003586,0.001356,0.00241,0.000479
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal9,0.104717,0.144205,0.0354 49,0.001938,0.0437,-0.001673,0.000705,-0.002077,0.029451,0.032074,-0.003735,0.004046,-0.014123,-0.003991,0.0095,-0.009546,-0.011474,-0.006841,-0.004022,-0.005628,-0.000499,-0.005688,-0.004437,-0.006145,-0.002994
NPortuguese:Portugal11,0.112685,0.139128,0.045632,-0.000969,0.0397,0.00251,-0.00423,0.002769,0.036814,0.028976,0.001624,0.0109 4,-0.013974,-0.01445,0.012486,0.009016,0.014081,-0.005194,-0.008673,0.004877,-0.00025,-0.002226,0.001849,0.003494,-0.00467
SPortuguese:Portugal12,0.100164,0.147252,0.035826,-0.008075,0.045239,-0.008925,-0.000705,-0.002077,0.023111,0.024055,0.007145,0.01154,-0.014271,0.000275,0.010858,-0.008353,0.006389,0.004054,-0.004525,0.002501,-0.001872,-0.001237,0.001972,-0.002048,0.007305
SPortuguese:Portugal13,0.106994,0.147252,0.026021,-0.007106,0.041546,-0.001952,0.003995,-0.002077,0.028429,0.030069,0.000812,0.006744,-0.017988,-0.012799,0.020494,-0.002784,0.000913,-0.010008,-0.006034,-0.005503,0.000749,-0.002597,0.005053,-0.004097,0.004071
SPortuguese:Portugal14,0.108132,0.142174,0.034695,-0.007429,0.050163,-0.014502,-0.00564,0.008307,0.02352,0.030798,-0.00341,0.008093,-0.012785,-0.020781,0.014658,0.013524,-0.007562,0.006714,-0.013073,-0.002876,-0.000624,0.000495,0.00037,-0.003012,0.006347
SPortuguese:Portugal15,0.106994,0.137096,0.02489,-0.006137,0.039084,-0.008367,-0.002585,0.000692,0.028838,0.03098,0.00065,0.01288 9,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.019815,-0.003713,-0.009648,-0.000887,-0.003897,0.003752,0.002371,0.001855,-0.006655,0.000241,0.004311
NPortuguese:Portugal2,0.114961,0.142174,0.04186,-0.000969,0.045855,0.001673,-0.008695,-0.000692,0.026588,0.027335,0,0.005845,-0.01115,-0.016515,0.011401,0.010077,0.00326,-0.00114,-0.004902,0.001501,-0.004492,-0.005688,0.006532,0.001205,-0.001197
NPortuguese:Portugal3,0.103579,0.147252,0.048649,0 .006137,0.044316,-0.006414,-0.006345,0.004615,0.02577,0.02442,0.006333,0.00914 2,-0.015015,-0.023121,0.015472,-0.00358,-0.001956,-0.003294,-0.00352,0.003877,-0.006988,-0.005193,0.009244,-0.003133,-0.00467
NPortuguese:Portugal4,0.100164,0.144205,0.030547,-0.009044,0.050779,-0.004462,-0.011751,0.003461,0.024952,0.037358,0,0.004946,-0.012487,-0.007294,-0.002443,0.013657,0.010691,-0.009882,-0.015838,0.001626,-0.002246,-0.010634,0.00949,-0.000723,0.004431
SPortuguese:Portugal6,0.097888,0.138112,0.036204,-0.007752,0.042469,-0.007251,-0.007755,0.007846,0.02986,0.018224,-0.009094,0.006744,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.011265,-0.008221,-0.002868,0.004687,-0.003645,-0.003877,0.005615,-0.004451,0.003328,0.006627,0.000838
SSPortuguese:Portugal8,0.104717,0.147252,0.033941, 0.003876,0.048932,-0.002789,-0.005405,0.005538,0.027815,0.028793,-0.001461,0.005395,-0.016055,-0.005092,0.012351,-0.016176,-0.008475,-0.005321,-0.007668,-0.008254,0.007736,0.006059,-0.00419,0.001325,-0.003592
SPortuguese:Portugal9,0.110408,0.153345,0.034695,-0.00646,0.038469,0.001116,-0.008225,-0.001385,0.021475,0.032256,-0.009743,0.010041,-0.011893,-0.007156,0.013165,-0.008618,-0.019036,0.004687,-0.004399,-0.001,0.014474,-0.004081,0.000493,-0.009278,-0.000718

y estas son las medias entre las que empiezan por S y por N que tengo en el documento de tezto donde lo guardé todo:


Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.037963 56,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.0018 0422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922
Southern_Portuguese,0.10483100,0.14471290,0.033940 800,-0.00458660,0.04302320,-0.00479680,-0.00291400,0.00309200,0.02685390,0.02906680,-0.00175370,0.00768820,-0.01387000,-0.00831250,0.01319210,-0.00592670,-0.00813590,-0.00048150,-0.00607130,-0.00221360,0.00321920,-0.00096450,0.00023430,-0.00231350,0.00216750


Y he vuelto a hacer lo que hice esta mañana y sale lo mismo:

https://i.imgur.com/MvA6r3z.png

Me estáis liando entre todos, ya he posteado dos veces todo, y encima no paro desde que estaba hablando antes con defcon2, de tener timeout error seguidos de database errors en cadena, y me estoy empezando a desesperar con no poder responder cosas inmediatamente.:mad:

Ya volveré luego, comprobad lo que os dé la gana, he posteado todo.A ver si luego me va todo mejor.;)

[gixajo]

de teXXXXXXXto!!!:picard1:

[gixajo]

Dios, y ahora me funciona bien...

No puedo con mi vida.

hasta luego!!!

[Defcon2]

Dios, y ahora me funciona bien...

No puedo con mi vida.

hasta luego!!!

Tómate la vida con más calma hombre, está para disfrutarla. Jaja.

[Rocinante]

Soy una genetica extraña jejeje aunque yo creo que mis ancestros son bastante antiguos en la peninsula en realidad, para mi ancestros me sale bastante orientado a los vascos, cuando publicaba alguna foto mía por el foro había varios extranjeros que decían que no lucia español o el era el que menos lucia de iberico de los foreros peninsulares en el sentido que mis rasgos no eran del sur de Europa, creo que les resultaba extraño esa combinacion de pelo super oscuro y piel muy clara con complexión robusta.

Al parecer es un patron comun que el mas vasco, o mientras mas cerca se este del pueblo vasco, el cabello sera mas oscuro debido a no tener tanta sangra indo-europea en comparacion al resto de los peninsulares, sobretodo a los gallegos y pueblos catalanes, aunque no necesariamente esto es algo muy certero la verdad. Lo cierto tio es que tienes un haplogrupo muy interesante y mi contenta que gente de la peninsula no me vengan con un R1b, hay que pensar que darle importancia a los haplogrupos paternos iberos tambien, el tuyo es uno sin lugar a dudas, un ibero que vio llegar a esos pueblos indo-europeos.


A ver, tenéis de referencia lo que posteé yo, según eso solo hay un sample dudoso, que mire su método y se oriente con lo que hice yo, salvo que vea muchas incongruencias.

Dos métodos a la vez, mejor que uno, y ahora estamos tres para opinar, mejor que uno solo, aunque la decisión de tomar Galicia y Andalucía como referencias norte y sur fue consensuada con Damiao.

A ver, yo la verdad es que les perdi el hilo hace tiempo (ya Juan ni me mete en los graficos el malvado...) y no hablaba de las muestras que estabas haciendo, que estan chulas por cierto.


No sé cuánto componente escandinavo cazador recolector tendremos los españoles (risas) pero el WHG nos sirve a los españoles para saber nuestro grado de similitud con los europeos del norte, como se ve aquí e imagino que el cálculo se las arreglará para sumar el WSH en estepa o bien en WHG:

https://i.imgur.com/ZAQE3p2.png

Que modelo estas usando? Estan sacando un elevado WHG+STEPPE, deberiamos estar los average por el 39~41, ya menos o mas de eso es raro, pero aparte de eso, echemos un vistazo a los peaking en WHG y WSH desde mi ultimo modelo:

WHG:

Valor, Poblacion, Distancia
18 Basque_Spanish 0.04918058
17.6 Basque_French 0.04960020
16 Spanish_Pais_Vasco 0.05169170
15.2 French_South 0.03949679
14.8 Spanish_La_Rioja 0.02962532
14.6 Icelandic 0.05001905
13.8 Spanish_Soria 0.03857036
13.4 Orcadian 0.04659788
13 English 0.04751781
13 Welsh 0.04526161
13 English_Cornwall 0.05021529
13 French_Pas-de-Calais 0.03580229

WSH:

Valor, Poblacion, Distancia
51.6 Shetlandic 0.05162067
51.4 Icelandic 0.05001905
50.6 Irish 0.04957547
50 Dutch 0.04526739
49.8 Scottish 0.04777770
49.4 Orcadian 0.04659788
49 Danish 0.05215659

Sin lugar a dudas el componente norteño es el indo-europeo, ya que este hace peakings es en el Norte de Europa, las siguientes 20 poblaciones siguientes del WSH son del Norte de Europa, incluso los Tajiks y Tataros estan por encima de cualquiera del Sur, confirmando que este componente es unicamente europeo y no importa si esto lo hay regado por el mundo, al final que el Farmer.

A diferencia del WHG, las poblaciones van apareciendo desde lo mas punta de Occidente de Europa, comenzando por los vascos, hacia el Sureste donde literal este componente no existe o esta extinto, ya veo el porque yo tengo menos WHG que el promedio peninsular, es por eso porque mi lado italiano o tenia muy poco o sencillamente no tenia. Por lo tanto, si es un componente mas norteño que sureño, eso seguro, pero seria mas correcto decir que es un componente totalmente occidental, valido decir tambien que es un componente noroccidental.

Destacar una cosa, en los modelos, cuando salga de los españoles y se vayan mas al Este, usen el EHG y el SHG, ya que el WHG en el este en realidad se consigue a raja tabla.


¿Qué es WSH? Pensé que era WHG xD

Es que son 2 cosas diferentes, WHG son los cazadores-recolectores y WSH (Western Steppe Herder) son los esteparios o indo-europeos.

[Luso]

It correctly predicted me as Southern Portuguese

100661

[Luso]

These samples got it correct that I am southern Portuguese:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100662&d=1594486464

[Ruderico]

A ver, no sabemos de donde son las muestras y solo hay 25 individuos,
Eu já vi pessoas da mesma zona terem resultados bastante diferentes (o K7 do outro post mostra o mesmo), a variação em Portugal é mais pessoal que norte/sul. As amostras EBC são de um estudo sobre a Sardenha ou Córsega e foram doadas pela Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, provavelmente são todas do Norte. Mas o exercício parte de uma premissa que não é verdadeira (norte != sul), logo o resultado não tem significado estatisticamente.

[gixajo]

Tómate la vida con más calma hombre, está para disfrutarla. Jaja.

Es fácil decir eso cuando uno no sufre de ataques de catabase error y time out error creados en el infierno, y es incapaz de responder a nada de lo que decías hasta horas después.:mad:

[gixajo]

As amostras EBC são de um estudo sobre a Sardenha ou Córsega e foram doadas pela Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, provavelmente são do Norte. Mas o exercício parte de uma premissa que não é verdadeira (norte != sul), logo o resultado não tem significado estatisticamente.

Amigo, te acabas de quedar calvo detrás de las orejas con esa bonita frase, te puedo asegurar que pensé que me darían un premio por esta gran idea, que amablemente hubiera compartido con tu paisano.:eek:

A ver, valor estadístico tienen, aunque sea solo como ejercicio técnico y como prueba de originalidad, otra cosa es que tenga el valor de separar los habitantes del Norte y del Sur de Portugal.:)

Aunque partimos de una base bastante poco representativa de Portugal, que es una muestra de 25 refrencias, y encima al parecer, con casi la mitad de ellas que forma parte de otro estudio paralelo.

De todas formas me hace gracia, que nadie ha hecho absolutamente nada con estas coordenadas, y para cuando alguien intenta ayudar haciendo algo con ellas, lo único que ha recibido es una colaboración , a priori, y todo lo demás, críticas, a posteriori.

Esto es algo, como siempre improvisado, y parte de una premisa, que no sabemos si es cierta o falsa, más bien de que sea falsa.

Y que si fuera falsa, no creo que sea tan descabellada.

De todas formas, ahí queda eso, son muestras portuguesas, son vuestras, guardadlas por si acaso. :thumb001:

[Defcon2]

Que modelo estas usando? Estan sacando un elevado WHG+STEPPE, deberiamos estar los average por el 39~41, ya menos o mas de eso es raro, pero aparte de eso, echemos un vistazo a los peaking en WHG y WSH desde mi ultimo modelo:


Es uno básico para españoles pero se le puede añadir un par de cosas pero no demasiada morralla para no comerse porcentaje.


Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0 .001886,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038409,-0.014187,0.022817,0.00114,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009645,-0.008627,0.001566,-0.001676
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0. 008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723,0.118376,0.178733,0 .009805,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.0016 24,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724,0.117238,0.168578,0 .018856,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0 .00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727,0.114961,0.185842,0 .004525,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0 .006788,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
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[Defcon2]

Es fácil decir eso cuando uno no sufre de ataques de catabase error y time out error creados en el infierno, y es incapaz de responder a nada de lo que decías hasta horas después.:mad:

Cuando eso me pasa muy seguido cojo el móvil y puedo seguir navegando por el foro.

[Damião de Góis]

Sendo assim, e admitindo que as samples EBC são do norte podemos ver que são muito constantes e com pouca variação (usando o ultimo modelo do Defcon2):

https://i.imgur.com/rlrJkGd.jpg

O resto de Portugal (onde me incluí), que pode ser considerado Portugal + Ilhas têm mais variabilidade:

https://i.imgur.com/iG86VD4.jpg

De resto, reparei também que faltam samples. Onde estão EBC_Portugal4, EBC_Portugal5 ou EBC_Portugal8? Portugal9 também falta.

[Luso]

ph2ter did my Admix3 sample on Anthrogenica... (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19595-G25-Admix3-with-percentages&p=683836#post683836)


https://i.imgur.com/MmSHK8n.png

[Ruderico]

Sendo assim, e admitindo que as samples EBC são do norte podemos ver que são muito constantes e com pouca variação (usando o ultimo modelo do Defcon2):



O resto de Portugal (onde me incluí), que pode ser considerado Portugal + Ilhas têm mais variabilidade:


De resto, reparei também que faltam samples. Onde estão EBC_Portugal4, EBC_Portugal5 ou EBC_Portugal8? Portugal9 também falta.

Essas nunca estiveram disponíveis, não sei porquê.

Não creio que essa pouca variação interesse assim muito, até porque há variação e drift mais recente que não é captado aqui. Se vires gráficos de ADMIXTURE, como estes de estudos diferentes https://i.postimg.cc/446W4B58/k7admix.png e https://i.postimg.cc/L4k8vZvL/k5admix.png, reparas que há sempre mais variação do que modelos simples com 3 'componentes ancestrais' parecem indicar

[gixajo]

Cuando eso me pasa muy seguido cojo el móvil y puedo seguir navegando por el foro.

Mi móvil no es apto para navegar por los internetes, además suelo tenerlo varios días descargado, no le hago mucho caso.

[gixajo]

Eu já vi pessoas da mesma zona terem resultados bastante diferentes (o K7 do outro post mostra o mesmo), a variação em Portugal é mais pessoal que norte/sul. As amostras EBC são de um estudo sobre a Sardenha ou Córsega e foram doadas pela Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, provavelmente são todas do Norte. Mas o exercício parte de uma premissa que não é verdadeira (norte != sul), logo o resultado não tem significado estatisticamente.

Es que esas 25 muestras parecen elegidas porque son todas muy similares, apenas tienen diferencias entre ellas.

Me siento ofendidísimo porque no os han gustado mis preciosas medias, con lo bonitas que me habían quedado.

Ahora me he picado y no pienso hacer ni una media más.

De hecho estoy pensando en mataros a todos los que han participado en las críticas, tanto portugueses como españoles, yo que vosotros intentaría no dormir...:rolleyes:

[mitalit]

Es que esas 25 muestras parecen elegidas porque son todas muy similares, apenas tienen diferencias entre ellas.

Me siento ofendidísimo porque no os han gustado mis preciosas medias, con lo bonitas que me habían quedado.

Ahora me he picado y no pienso hacer ni una media más.

De hecho estoy pensando en mataros a todos los que han participado en las críticas, tanto portugueses como españoles, yo que vosotros intentaría no dormir...:rolleyes:

A mi me han encantado, buen trabajo gixajo.
Toma esta foto tan divertida como recompensa
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CSIkNVZ7ZpY/maxresdefault.jpg

[gixajo]

A mi me han encantado, buen trabajo gixajo.
Toma esta foto tan divertida como recompensa
[G]

Ríe ríe, que a tí te tengo cerca, eres el primero de mi lista.

Por cierto, me llegan noticias de gente de osakidetza están reforzando personal y acumulando medios porque el rebrote debe ser más gordo de lo que se reconoce, pero hasta después de las elecciones van a disimular.

Igual después tampoco hacen nada, porque no interesa parar todo de nuevo, pero al menos quieren estar preparados por si se va de madre.¿Has oido algo?

[gixajo]

Y ya puestos, como es el hilo de genética, se supone que mi kit de 23andme se entregará el lunes 13 de Junio a las 10:30 de la mañana al laboratorio supersecreto de 23andme, a ver si es verdad.

¿Alguna previsión sobre la estimación que puedo tener con ellos? No estoy muy puesto en resultados de 23andme, no sé por donde tirarán.

Sobre todo me interesan de lo que me digan, los haplotipos materno, y a ver si precisan el paterno, aunque los resultados no creo que me los den hasta mínimo dentro de un mes.

[mitalit]

Ríe ríe, que a tí te tengo cerca, eres el primero de mi lista.

Por cierto, me llegan noticias de gente de osakidetza están reforzando personal y acumulando medios porque el rebrote debe ser más gordo de lo que se reconoce, pero hasta después de las elecciones van a disimular.

Igual después tampoco hacen nada, porque no interesa parar todo de nuevo, pero al menos quieren estar preparados por si se va de madre.¿Has oido algo?

Ni idea, pero aquí se hace vida completamente normal mismamente ayer fui a una discoteca. Tengo familiares médicos y por ahora no creo que estén muy preocupados

[mitalit]

Y ya puestos, como es el hilo de genética, se supone que mi kit de 23andme se entregará el lunes 13 de Junio a las 10:30 de la mañana al laboratorio supersecreto de 23andme, a ver si es verdad.

¿Alguna previsión sobre la estimación que puedo tener con ellos? No estoy muy puesto en resultados de 23andme, no sé por donde tirarán.

Sobre todo me interesan de lo que me digan, los haplotipos materno, y a ver si precisan el paterno, aunque los resultados no creo que me los den hasta mínimo dentro de un mes.

Yo creo que lo van a clavar, 100% europeo y algo asi como un 3% italiano y un 15% norte de europa

[mitalit]

Yo tengo curiosidad por hacérselo a mis padres. Quiero saber si uno de ellos es extremdamente noreuropeo o si no es mas que una casualidad que yo este un poco north-shifted (me da que es solo una casualidad)

[gixajo]

Yo tengo curiosidad por hacérselo a mis padres. Quiero saber si uno de ellos es extremdamente noreuropeo o si no es mas que una casualidad que yo este un poco north-shifted (me da que es solo una casualidad)

Yo les haría el test con 23andme, pero primero, son demasiado caros, y segundo mi padre me mandaría a freir espárragos. Así que si en su día MH mejora la lectura de SNP´s o leen más número de ellos, puedo comprar el update, se supone que guardan una de las dos muestras.

¿Supones que lo norteño te viene por parte materna? A ver , siempre te sale, y en una cantidad maja, casualidad no es, lo que no sé es a que se debe. Mi madre y tú ploteáis ahora mismo como los más norteños con bastante diferencia de todos los ibéricos que tenemos resultados, que yo sepa.

[gixajo]

Yo creo que lo van a clavar, 100% europeo y algo asi como un 3% italiano y un 15% norte de europa

Yo creo que un 1% no Europeo me saldrá, solo por llevar la contraria.:)

[mitalit]

Yo creo que un 1% no Europeo me saldrá, solo por llevar la contraria.:)

Eso es mucho para 23andme. La verdad es que no tengo ni idea de si es mi madre o mi padre.

[gixajo]

Eso es mucho para 23andme. La verdad es que no tengo ni idea de si es mi madre o mi padre.

Igual es de los dos, porque como todo tu norteño venga de uno solo, esa persona debería ser 1/4 irlandés practicamente.:)

[mitalit]

Igual es de los dos, porque como todo tu norteño venga de uno solo, esa persona debería ser 1/4 irlandés practicamente.:)

Tu madre es española y es muy norteña. Recuerda que soy 1/4 vasco (y no cualquier tipo de vasco). Supongo que en todo caso sera mi padre ya que es el mas exótico

[mitalit]

Con exótico no me refiero fisicamente

[gold_fenix]

Tu madre es española y es muy norteña. Recuerda que soy 1/4 vasco (y no cualquier tipo de vasco). Supongo que en todo caso sera mi padre ya que es el mas exótico

Y algun rasgo especial o luces como un español mas?

A mi en en el 23andme cuando existia un cluster de gente poniéndola junta, de los que mas cerca estaban era medios vascos mezclado con alguna parte del Norte de España y con un alaves

[gixajo]

También te digo que me acabas de recordar una cosa, las regiones que te marquen como "Lugares posibles dónde vivieron tus antepasados" te marcarán países y regiones de la actualidad, pues eso tiene que coincidir con tus matches porque lo sacan de ahí, si tienes British & Irish y todos tienen raíces de Irlanda pues confirma de que es más probable que tu antepasado sea irlandés que británico, porque prácticamente es lo que me ocurre a mí. Es un consejo que me lo comentó alguien en plan "Si no tienes matches de esas regiones es que no eres de esa región, no puedes ser (X Población) si no tienes matches/familia en ese lugar".

Yo no tengo ningún antepasado conocido del que descienda directamente que no fuera español, pero un familiar de mi padre se convirtió al protestantismo y estuvo bastante tiempo viviendo en Gran Bretaña, y se casó allí, no sé si era un primo de mi abuela paterna o algo así. pero creo que acabó en Brasil. Tengo muchos extranjeros con apellido extranjero como matches en varios países europeos según MH, pero la coincidencia suele ser pequeñísima y no me fío gran cosa de eso.

Otros sí sé que son familia claramente, por encima de un 0,7% diría que sí son familia.(en MH en 23andme ni idea)

[gixajo]

Tu madre es española y es muy norteña. Recuerda que soy 1/4 vasco (y no cualquier tipo de vasco). Supongo que en todo caso sera mi padre ya que es el mas exótico

Pues yo tenía mis dudas , la familia de mi padre es bastante rubia e incluso hay varios pelirrojos, aunque la de mi madre, tienen el pelo mucho más oscuro, pero son muy blancos de piel y muchos tienen ojos claros.

No entiendo que es eso de "no cualquier tipo de vasco".:confused:

[gixajo]

Iberico, Balcánico, Italiano, Sardo, Centro Europeo y algo del Este de Europa, creo que te podría salir.

La verdad es que no tengo ni idea de como suelen ser los resultados de 23andme...

[mitalit]

Y algun rasgo especial o luces como un español mas?

A mi en en el 23andme cuando existia un cluster de gente poniéndola junta, de los que mas cerca estaban era medios vascos mezclado con alguna parte del Norte de España y con un alaves

Como un español mas, aunque es difícil saber como se ve un español. Supongo que algunos extranjeros dirían que no parezco español.

[mitalit]

Pues yo tenía mis dudas , la familia de mi padre es bastante rubia e incluso hay varios pelirrojos, aunque la de mi madre, tienen el pelo mucho más oscuro, pero son muy blancos de piel y muchos tienen ojos claros.

No entiendo que es eso de "no cualquier tipo de vasco".:confused:
No se, los rasgos físicos no me dicen mucho. Con "no cualquier tipo de vasco" me refiero a vasco superior, no es ni alaves ni gipuzkoano

[gixajo]

No, no, no es por temas de apellidos y tal, a ver cuándo tengas los resultados de 23andme en fus coincidencias podrás ver cuál segmentos, etnias, haplogrupo tenéis tanto esa persona que selecciones como tú. Cuando tengas tus resultados de Ancestría, te aparecerán las poblaciones digamos que cuando te ponga la población de Spanish & Portuguese, si selecionas a esa población y miras las cosas que te ponen en plan curiosidades de ese grupo étnico y tal pues abajo del todo te saldrá algunos marches más cercanos a ti que compartís la misma etnia, pues abajo de sus nombres te pondrá el país en el que tiene raíces ese match. Si te pusieran todos tus matches como.. "Roots in Spain" pues claramente es que es más probable que tus antepasados sean españoles en vez de Portugueses ¿Entiendes?

No, si yo salvo que haya habido infidelidades e hijos ilegítimos, tengo claro quienes fueron mis antepasados al menos los últimos 200 años en mi rama paterna, y cosa de 500 en la materna.

Pero me siguen llamando cosas la atención que quedan sin resolver, como el haplotipo de mi linea paterna, y los ojos achinados de mi abuelo o mi hermana, que son bastante marcados, y que pensaba que estaban relacionados, y no parece haber muchas pistas en el autosomal de eso.

[gixajo]

Y algun rasgo especial o luces como un español mas?

A mi en en el 23andme cuando existia un cluster de gente poniéndola junta, de los que mas cerca estaban era medios vascos mezclado con alguna parte del Norte de España y con un alaves

Pero los alaveses somos vascos exóticos.:p

[gixajo]

Yo también tengo los ojos más o menos rasgados, aunque recientemente supe que mis ojos se llaman "Hunter eyes", no tengo el pliegue asiático ni nada de eso.
No sé si tú familia sí lo tiene..
[spoiler]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Epicanthic_KR02.jpg

https://bnc.lt/a/key_live_eifqPbvhIRnKEb1T0MSFpipgsCenSDRu?%24ios_d eeplink_path=pinterest%3A%2F%2Fpin%2F3393181531533 56283&%24android_deeplink_path=pinterest%3A%2F%2Fpin%2F3 39318153153356283&_client_id=amp-aHTWjRVP0VRpVaMBb38eyA&utm_source=168&utm_medium=2160¤t_page_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinte rest.es%2Famp%2Fpin%2F339318153153356283%2F&install_id=04364cf58fb149f5be58af8d37d5965e&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.es%2Fp in%2F339318153153356283%2F%23details&_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.es%2Famp%2Fpin%2F 339318153153356283%2F

Edit: Vale, acabo de poner dos imágenes y no se ven, en fin que si buscas "Asian eyes" en Google Imágenes podrás ver el pliegue al que me refiero

Es que mi abuelo y una de mis hermanas es exagerado:

Creo que es fácil adivinar de cual es la hermana china.:)
https://i.postimg.cc/R0PVVT52/051.jpg[/img] (https://postimages.org/)]
https://i.postimg.cc/6qCXRrgW/050.jpg (https://postimg.cc/dZQpcyJp)

[gold_fenix]

Yo tengo por aqui una mia pero no es la mejor

https://i.ibb.co/1sNMMGL/Helsonphto.jpg

[gixajo]

Yo tengo por aqui una mia pero no es la mejor

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Tú pareces del este de Europa.

Por cierto, el abuelo que sale en esas dos fotos foto es de Jaén.

Tú estás también en Anthrogenica, no?

[gold_fenix]

Tú pareces del este de Europa.

Por cierto, el abuelo que sale en esas dos fotos foto es de Jaén.

Tú estás también en Anthrogenica, no?

sii, pero como os comente , hace mucho que no miraba nada.

Mi familia materna es la que es de Jaen y por ahí me da que vienen raices del Norte de España, a traves de 23andme un pariente lejano con toda su genealogía en Asturias me dijo que su bisabuelo o tatarabuelo fue a Jaen.

Del Este dices jajajaja

esta es peor
https://i.ibb.co/fQMgCpH/photo-2020-07-12-02-25-53.jpg

[Luso]

sii, pero como os comente , hace mucho que no miraba nada.

Mi familia materna es la que es de Jaen y por ahí me da que vienen raices del Norte de España, a traves de 23andme un pariente lejano me dijo que su bisabuelo o tatarabuelo fue a Jaen.

Del Este dices jajajaja

esta es peor


Te ves portugues :thumb001:
te pareces a mi primo

[mitalit]

sii, pero como os comente , hace mucho que no miraba nada.

Mi familia materna es la que es de Jaen y por ahí me da que vienen raices del Norte de España, a traves de 23andme un pariente lejano con toda su genealogía en Asturias me dijo que su bisabuelo o tatarabuelo fue a Jaen.

Del Este dices jajajaja

esta es peor
[img]
Como dice Luso pareces portugues

[Cristiano viejo]

Como dice Luso pareces portugues

¡Portugués? los cojones treinta y tres.

[gixajo]

Quién sabe, quizás tengas un componente asiático o amerindio.

No tenemos nada de eso que se muestre en los resultados autosomales , por eso pensé más en eslavos o húngaros.

A ver si va a ser que los Ibéricos tenían los ojos achinados...;)

[Rocinante]

sii, pero como os comente , hace mucho que no miraba nada.

Mi familia materna es la que es de Jaen y por ahí me da que vienen raices del Norte de España, a traves de 23andme un pariente lejano con toda su genealogía en Asturias me dijo que su bisabuelo o tatarabuelo fue a Jaen.

Del Este dices jajajaja

esta es peor
https://i.ibbhoto-25-53.jpg

Todo un guerro ibero, de los que ya no hay hombre! Si hasta el haplogrupo... :thumb001:

[Defcon2]

No tenemos nada de eso que se muestre en los resultados autosomales , por eso pensé más en eslavos o húngaros.

A ver si va a ser que los Ibéricos tenían los ojos achinados...;)

Influencia bereber.


Todo un guerro ibero, de los que ya no hay hombre! Si hasta el haplogrupo... :thumb001:

Todos con portraitai enga.

[Rocinante]

Todos con portraitai enga.

Estoy de acuerdo, todos con Portraitai, pero hombre, a pesar de que ese filtro feminino te queda de puta madre, sería la hostia que pusieras tu versión extremeña masculina.

[Defcon2]

Estoy de acuerdo, todos con Portraitai, pero hombre, a pesar de que ese filtro feminino te queda de puta madre, sería la hostia que pusieras tu versión extremeña masculina.

Soy poco photogénico lo siento, os tendréis que conformar con mi madre de peque.

[HelloGuys]

Tu PortraitAI te hace ver como que estás asqueado de la vida XDDD

Lol xD

[mitalit]

Influencia bereber.



Todos con portraitai enga.

Como se hace?

[Defcon2]

Como se hace?

portraitai.com y sube una foto tipo dni.

[Rocinante]

Soy poco photogénico lo siento, os tendréis que conformar con mi madre de peque.

Yo tampoco soy muy fotogenico la verdad, esta app te distorsiona un poco, a favor evidentemente.


Un aborigen

Literalmente.


Tu PortraitAI te hace ver como que estás asqueado de la vida XDDD

Ahi lo que tengo cara es de querer unas buenas arepas con queso telita.

[Defcon2]

Yo tampoco soy muy fotogenico la verdad, esta app te distorsiona un poco, a favor evidentemente.


Foto pero me quedo con la que tengo:

https://i.imgur.com/0FeiWTl.jpg

Me parezco un poco pero no sé :lol:

[Rocinante]

Foto pero me quedo con la que tengo:

https://i.imgur.Tl.jpg

Me parezco un poco pero no sé :lol:

Esta de puta madre tio, tienes cara de ser el que va a la disco y le tumba la novia al mas rufian.

[Defcon2]

Esta de puta madre tio, tienes cara de ser el que va a la disco y le tumba la novia al mas rufian.

Me sale una mirada que no tengo jaja.

[Damião de Góis]

This thing isn't working for me anymore. I try several pics but it does nothing.

[Rocinante]

Me sale una mirada que no tengo jaja.

Pues esta de puta madre, a mi me modifico una que otra cosa, sobretodo la nariz un poco, pero bueno, tambien he de decir que la foto de tu mama joven esta espectacular, quedo chula chula.


Tienes cara de poeta o escritor, y tranquilo, la mirada tampoco me sale la misma para mí, yo tengo hunter eyes y me sale con ojos grandes xD

Yo si saque mis hunter eyes, soy inconfundiblemente sudaca.

[Defcon2]

This thing isn't working for me anymore. I try several pics but it does nothing.

A mi tampoco me funciona, da error parece.


Pues esta de puta madre, a mi me modifico una que otra cosa, sobretodo la nariz un poco, pero bueno, tambien he de decir que la foto de tu mama joven esta espectacular, quedo chula chula.

Yo si saque mis hunter eyes, soy inconfundiblemente sudaca.

Ella sale bien en todas, hay una foto toon de ella muy chula pero sí es cierto que cambia cosas pero en general resulta reconocible.

[Rocinante]

Bueno, oye, hablando de los hunter eyes tú comentaste que podrían provenir de los EHG ¿No? Quizás los bálticos tienen ese componente o mayormente ese componente y es por eso que mayormente tienen ese tipo de ojos(?)

Tu explicacion es la correcta. Los ojos erroneamente asociados con los mongoloides en Europa del Norte (a excepcion de casos realmente mongoloides), cabello rubio, rojo y castaño, y piel rojiza, son por herencia EHG.

[Rocinante]

¿Entonces todos los europeos también tienen ese componente?

Absolutamente todos lo tiene por la herencia indo-europa.

[Rocinante]

¿Y por qué los hunter eyes no son tan comunes exceptuando en las zonas que hemos comentado del Báltico, Escandinavia, y tal?
¿Es por algo en específico?

Los hunter-eyes seran mas comunes donde haya mas descendencia EHG, evidentemente los que mas tienen EHG son los del noreste de Europa, y luego los del noroeste. En el sur de Europa habra mas personas con ojos mas redondos porque asi eran los EEF, nada mas ver a los sardos quienes son practicamente los fosiles vivientes de los EEF.

[Rocinante]

¿Y cómo es posible que tú, yo y otros europeos que no son de esas regiones tengan hunter eyes? Por ejemplo el modelo Elias de Poot, es Belga y tiene unos grandes hunter eyes.
¿Lo tenemos/tienen por herencia?

Porque tenemos EHG xD todos los tenemos, como dije anteriormente. No es imposible tener ojos con esa forma siendo español, aunque el tio ese que nombraste ya es exagerado.

[mitalit]

Mama yo no soy chino, yo tengo hunter eyes
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/m_0cPbLXvXw/maxresdefault.jpg

[FalangeAngeL JONS]

Los hunter-eyes seran mas comunes donde haya mas descendencia EHG, evidentemente los que mas tienen EHG son los del noreste de Europa, y luego los del noroeste. En el sur de Europa habra mas personas con ojos mas redondos porque asi eran los EEF, nada mas ver a los sardos quienes son practicamente los fosiles vivientes de los EEF.

Hunter eyes seria algo asi como este tipo por ejemplo?

https://imgur.com/a/SNE7OlA

[Rocinante]

Hunter eyes seria algo asi como este tipo por ejemplo?

https://imgur.com/a/SNE7OlA

Algo asi, si.

[gold_fenix]

Entre muchos extranjeros, siempre nos identificaban bastante bien por ojos, de alguna forma son característicos entre los españoles

[Rocinante]

Ojos muy españoles:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/doblaje/images/f/fc/Ana-de-la-reguera-2019.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200119181821&path-prefix=es

[gixajo]

No entiendo eso de portraitai, meto una foto y me sale igual...

[gold_fenix]

Los mios , haciendo ncapie a lo que digo:

https://i.ibb.co/HqRqrKK/downeyes.png

[FalangeAngeL JONS]

No entiendo eso de portraitai, meto una foto y me sale igual...

Rt a mi me pasa lo mismo

[gixajo]

Rt a mi me pasa lo mismo

Yo creo que no va...

Me pongo esa foto mía y ya está.