Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

[Defcon2]

No entiendo eso de portraitai, meto una foto y me sale igual...

Da error como este foro, a ver si lo arreglan.

[FalangeAngeL JONS]

Yo creo que no va...

Me pongo esa foto mía y ya está.

jajajaja :rotfl: en la app del movil si funciona, pero voy a mirar a ver si hay otras aplicaciones similares porque en el retrato que me hace parezco otro muy muy distinto

[gixajo]

Mejor el dibujillo con el paint.:)

[FalangeAngeL JONS]

Mejor el dibujillo con el paint.:)

Que chulo tu!! Como hago eso?

[gixajo]

Que chulo tu!! Como hago eso?

Creo que primero lo modifiqué con el irfanview, que es un editor de imágenes gratuito muy simplón, y luego lo retoqué con el paint, que viene por defecto en el windows.

Y luego lo reduje, y reduje, y volví a reducir, hasta que conseguí el tamaño permitido para ser usado como avatar.

[PT Tagus]

This thing isn't working for me anymore. I try several pics but it does nothing.

Funciona apenas a app

https://i.postimg.cc/QxMT4dQP/Zsn-Fdu-Fv-Mzqn-port.jpg

:lol:

[Ruderico]

Saquei a app para Android e funciona sem problemas, este avatar tem uns meros dias. O maior problema é que não modelam bem barbas na parte lateral da cara. Combinei isto com o betaface para escolher a imagem que era mais próxima da fotografia original

[mitalit]

Se parece mucho a mi pero tengo un poco cara de pazguato como para ponérmela de perfil
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[Defcon2]

Se parece mucho a mi pero tengo un poco cara de pazguato como para ponérmela de perfil


Pareces un guiri, normal que saques un 37% de estepa.

[mitalit]

Pareces un guiri, normal que saques un 37% de estepa.

Por lo que estoy viendo todos parecemos guiris con este filtro

[Rocinante]

Pareces un guiri, normal que saques un 37% de estepa.

Lo ha quitado, estaba chulisimo ese avatar.

[Rocinante]

Saquei a app para Android e funciona sem problemas, este avatar tem uns meros dias. O maior problema é que não modelam bem barbas na parte lateral da cara. Combinei isto com o betaface para escolher a imagem que era mais próxima da fotografia original

Yo tambien he intentado que se parezca lo mas posible a la fotografia real, porque hay algunas fotos en los que me la cambiaba demasiado, los algoritmos de la app no son perfectos al parecer, pero bueno.

[mitalit]

Lo ha quitado, estaba chulisimo ese avatar.

Con ese avatar estoy demasiado expuesto como para trolear
jaja, se parece mucho a mi

[mitalit]

Lo ha quitado, estaba chulisimo ese avatar.

Con ese avatar estoy demasiado expuesto como para trolear
jaja, se parece mucho a mi

[Defcon2]

Con ese avatar estoy demasiado expuesto como para trolear
jaja, se parece mucho a mi

La esencia si que lo capta bien, me reconozco en la foto que me hizo a mí pero cambia algunas cosas.

[Rocinante]

Con ese avatar estoy demasiado expuesto como para trolear
jaja, se parece mucho a mi

Si supieras que yo tengo esa misma preocupacion, y eso que yo soy el mas troll de este grupo (sin contar a CV obviamente), yo creo que ya mas de uno habra guardado esta fotico, ya a estas alturas me da un poco igual, al menos tiene un filtro por encima, no deja de ser una foto de mentira asi se parezca demasiado a mi.

Pero si tienes esa preocupacion trata de hacer una que se parezca menos, igual tu eres bastante tranquilo, creo que eres como un gixajo mas que a todo el mundo le caes bien.

[mitalit]

Si supieras que yo tengo esa misma preocupacion, y eso que yo soy el mas troll de este grupo (sin contar a CV obviamente), yo creo que ya mas de uno habra guardado esta fotico, ya a estas alturas me da un poco igual, al menos tiene un filtro por encima, no deja de ser una foto de mentira asi se parezca demasiado a mi.

Pero si tienes esa preocupacion trata de hacer una que se parezca menos, igual tu eres bastante tranquilo, creo que eres como un gixajo mas que a todo el mundo le caes bien.
Al final no sabes quien esta detras de la pantalla ni que hará con tu foto, no creo que pase nada pero por si acaso. No suelo discutir mucho en el foro pero a saber si alguna vez me pasa como te paso a ti con zuh

[Damião de Góis]

Sou o único sem barba?

[Rocinante]

Al final no sabes quien esta detras de la pantalla ni que hará con tu foto, no creo que pase nada pero por si acaso. No suelo discutir mucho en el foro pero a saber si alguna vez me pasa como te paso a ti con zuh

Es asi hermano, aquel avatar tenia un poco mas de realismo y no me gusto para nada que el la utilizara de la manera que lo hizo, aunque te digo, que con Zuh me lleve un susto menor en comparacion a la ultima, ya sabemos todos cual. Ya incluso despues de esa me da un poquillo igual si se guardan el avatar o no, pero el que lo haga y lo use como amenaza, sea mio o de ustedes, ya saben que van a tener una guarida detras de ellos al ataque, es asi. Pero ya te digo que el tuyo estaba de puta madre, el que mas me gustaba era el de Bras, pero el tuyo creo que esta de los mejores que he visto, mucho estilo. El de Juan parecia una especie de pintor a lo Dali, estaba chulo tambien.

[PT Tagus]

Saquei a app para Android e funciona sem problemas, este avatar tem uns meros dias. O maior problema é que não modelam bem barbas na parte lateral da cara. Combinei isto com o betaface para escolher a imagem que era mais próxima da fotografia original

Curiosamente dá para ver que sou eu, de facto não fico muito diferente das fotografias originais.:lol:

[PT Tagus]

Sou o único sem barba?

Deixa crescer a barba, olha inspira-te aí no Damião de Góis. :D

[Ruderico]

Sou o único sem barba?

Sim, és a única mulher aqui do grupo ;)

[gixajo]

Sou o único sem barba?

Depende del día.

[

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[mitalit]

A mí me pareces Ibérico o balcánico, ni idea, coño tampoco es que te haya visto, quizás en las fotos/en persona sí parezcas más extranjero, pero yo qué sé

Que voy a parecer extranjero, parezco español. Borra la foto porfa

[gixajo]

Que voy a parecer extranjero, parezco español. Borra la foto porfa

Me habéis metido miedo, al final he borrado las fotos.

[mitalit]

Me habéis metido miedo, al final he borrado las fotos.

Por?? Jaja.

[gixajo]

Por?? Jaja.

Tengo miedo de vuestro miedo.

[mitalit]

Tengo miedo de vuestro miedo.

Pero tu ya estas perdido, has subido muchas fotos y algunas subidas de tono.
Si buscas en pornhub bald hot man from Azerbaijan sales de los primeros (no me preguntes como lo se)

[Defcon2]

Pero tu ya estas perdido, has subido muchas fotos y algunas subidas de tono.
Si buscas en pornhub bald hot man from Azerbaijan sales de los primeros (no me preguntes como lo se)

Ahora mismo está buscando agobiado y tó sudao por todas las páginas porno.

[gixajo]

Pero tu ya estas perdido, has subido muchas fotos y algunas subidas de tono.
Si buscas en pornhub bald hot man from Azerbaijan sales de los primeros (no me preguntes como lo se)

Esos vídeos de pornhub los subo yo voluntariamente, soy el Nacho Vidal de Azebaiyán, mi nombre artístico es YECP=Yusif el Calvo Polla.:)

En cuanto a las fotos, no sé como lo sabes, porque solo se las mando a las mujeres del foro, así que ya me explicarás que haces tú viendo esas fotos.:rolleyes:

[gixajo]

¿Por eso te quitas el pelo afro?
Es que ese peinado ya no está a la moda...

[mitalit]

Esos vídeos de pornhub los subo yo voluntariamente, soy el Nacho Vidal de Azebaiyán, mi nombre artístico es YECP=Yusif el Calvo Polla.:)

En cuanto a las fotos, no sé como lo sabes, porque solo se las mando a las mujeres del foro, así que ya me explicarás que haces tú viendo esas fotos.:rolleyes:
No tienes un pelo de tonto te tienes que estar forrando. Aunque entiendo que si eres el nacho vidal de tu pais la media de Azerbaiyán es menor a la española.

En el foro no hay mujeres, solo hay hombres y hombres con el filtro de faceapp

[gixajo]

No tienes un pelo de tonto te tienes que estar forrando. Aunque entiendo que si eres el nacho vidal de tu pais la media de Azerbaiyán es menor a la española.

En el foro no hay mujeres, solo hay hombres y hombres con el filtro de faceapp

te equivocas, en realidad la mayoría de hombres del foro, son mujeres que usan el filtro masculino de faceapp.

Solo que la mayoría de ellas tiene más de 80 años.

Lo sé porque mi abuela de 92 años es "miembra" del foro, le envié por error una foto de...:picard1:

[gixajo]

Doble.

[gixajo]

Cambiando de tema, lo que está tardando esto, se supone que lo entregaba a las 10:30 AM, y ya deben ser cosa de las siete de la tarde allí y aún no les ha llegado:

https://i.imgur.com/xrHDAnH.png

[Tannhauser]

Paso a consultarles. Tienen mapa genético a mano de España por provincias y subregiones?

Desde ya muchas gracias por sus aportes.

[mitalit]

Cambiando de tema, lo que está tardando esto, se supone que lo entregaba a las 10:30 AM, y ya deben ser cosa de las siete de la tarde allí y aún no les ha llegado:

https://i.imgur.com/xrHDAnH.png Esperemos que no te lo retengan

[gixajo]

Esperemos que no te lo retengan

No creo, los problemas estarán cuando pasa de un país a otro, y lleva unos días en EEUU.

De hecho la muestra lleva tanto tiempo en EEUU que ya debe hablar inglés sin ningún tipo de acento.

[mitalit]

No creo, los problemas estarán cuando pasa de un país a otro, y lleva unos días en EEUU.

De hecho la muestra lleva tanto tiempo en EEUU que ya debe hablar inglés sin ningún tipo de acento.

A mi me la retuvieron, no lo ponía pero pregunte y me dijeron eso. Aunque en tu caso esta tardando una barbaridad (supongo que por el covid)

[Defcon2]

Cambiando de tema, lo que está tardando esto, se supone que lo entregaba a las 10:30 AM, y ya deben ser cosa de las siete de la tarde allí y aún no les ha llegado:

https://i.imgur.com/xrHDAnH.png

Puede que no hayan refrescado con la información, a saber.

[Defcon2]

Paso a consultarles. Tienen mapa genético a mano de España por provincias y subregiones?

Desde ya muchas gracias por sus aportes.

Aquí hay un estudio con mapas de la peninsula ibérica:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330810566_Patterns_of_genetic_differentiation_and_ the_footprints_of_historical_migrations_in_the_Ibe rian_Peninsula

[Rocinante]

Paso a consultarles. Tienen mapa genético a mano de España por provincias y subregiones?

Desde ya muchas gracias por sus aportes.

Los unicos mapas disponibles en los que, de cierta manera puedes confiar, son los de gradiantes de componentes del Eurogenes, y si no en la pagina indo-european o en mi thread de Y-DNA de Iberia, puedes consultar los movimientos historicos de las poblaciones antiguas, eso ligado a otra pagina que te permite consultar a quien le pertenecia al haplogrupo y con el G25, si tienes dudas, yo te busco la muestra en especifico y quienes eran especificamente. Saludos.

[Tannhauser]

Aquí hay un estudio con mapas de la peninsula ibérica:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330810566_Patterns_of_genetic_differentiation_and_ the_footprints_of_historical_migrations_in_the_Ibe rian_Peninsula

Excelente trabajo, muy enriquecedor.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100802&d=1594752096


Los unicos mapas disponibles en los que, de cierta manera puedes confiar, son los de gradiantes de componentes del Eurogenes, y si no en la pagina indo-european o en mi thread de Y-DNA de Iberia, puedes consultar los movimientos historicos de las poblaciones antiguas, eso ligado a otra pagina que te permite consultar a quien le pertenecia al haplogrupo y con el G25, si tienes dudas, yo te busco la muestra en especifico y quienes eran especificamente. Saludos.

Me voy a poner con el research



Gracias

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/nhIQWti.png

:eek:

[gixajo]

Están cogiendo rapidez...

https://i.imgur.com/8zLQ0RH.png

[Tannhauser]

Hola Pelados y Calvitos cómo están? Yan han hablado de este tema????

¿Cuáles son los países con el mayor grado de alopecia?

Europa
En Europa tenemos esta situación:

República Checa
El 43% de los checos sufre calvicie en algún grado, una cifra sorprendente considerando que hablamos de más de 4 personas por cada 10.

España
Los segundos de Europa y los primeros del Mediterráneo. Nuestros varones sufren la calvicie en un 40%. De estos, además, el 73% ya no cuenta con ningún cabello, ya sea por caída total o por haber optado por el rasurado para disimular.

Destaca, además, que la cifra va en aumento. Y no lo decimos sólo por los hombres. Las mujeres, aunque en mucha menor medida, también empiezan a aumentar en porcentaje de sufridoras de alopecia.

La mayor predisposición a la calvicie, por comunidades, se da en Castilla y León, con un escalofriante 89% de hombres con alopecia entre su población (hay que considerar también que se trata de una de las comunidades más envejecidas, por lo que es normal que el número de personas calvas sea mayor). Del lado contrario estarían los gallegos.

Alemania, Francia y Reino Unido
Así es, después de España y República Checa, quedan los siguientes prácticamente igualados entre ellos y a muy pocas décimas de las cifras que se manejan para la población española.

América
EEUU
En América nos encontramos con el sexto país de alopécicos, Estados Unidos. Entre su población hay un 39% de hombres sin pelo.

Lationamérica
De América Latina los mayores afectados son los chilenos, los argentinos y los paraguayos, que no se diferencian mucho de nosotros. El menor porcentaje de personas masculinas de poco cabello se da en México; sólo el 30% de la población sufre alopecia en algún grado.

Asia
En Asia nos encontramos con hombres que, a pesar de no contar con una altísima densidad de cabellos cuenta con un importantísimo porcentaje de hombres con buen cabello, sin clareos ni calvicie, entre su población. Recordemos que los asiáticos son la raza que menos pelos tienen por folículo, uno solamente; puedes saber más sobre ello en nuestro post ¿Cuántas unidades foliculares son necesarias para el implante capilar?

Los más sufridos son los nipones, que tienen un 26.28% de hombres considerados calvos en el país.

[Erronkari]

Hola Pelados y Calvitos cómo están? Yan han hablado de este tema????

¿Cuáles son los países con el mayor grado de alopecia?

Europa
En Europa tenemos esta situación:

República Checa
El 43% de los checos sufre calvicie en algún grado, una cifra sorprendente considerando que hablamos de más de 4 personas por cada 10.

España
Los segundos de Europa y los primeros del Mediterráneo. Nuestros varones sufren la calvicie en un 40%. De estos, además, el 73% ya no cuenta con ningún cabello, ya sea por caída total o por haber optado por el rasurado para disimular.

Destaca, además, que la cifra va en aumento. Y no lo decimos sólo por los hombres. Las mujeres, aunque en mucha menor medida, también empiezan a aumentar en porcentaje de sufridoras de alopecia.

La mayor predisposición a la calvicie, por comunidades, se da en Castilla y León, con un escalofriante 89% de hombres con alopecia entre su población (hay que considerar también que se trata de una de las comunidades más envejecidas, por lo que es normal que el número de personas calvas sea mayor). Del lado contrario estarían los gallegos.

Alemania, Francia y Reino Unido
Así es, después de España y República Checa, quedan los siguientes prácticamente igualados entre ellos y a muy pocas décimas de las cifras que se manejan para la población española.

América
EEUU
En América nos encontramos con el sexto país de alopécicos, Estados Unidos. Entre su población hay un 39% de hombres sin pelo.

Lationamérica
De América Latina los mayores afectados son los chilenos, los argentinos y los paraguayos, que no se diferencian mucho de nosotros. El menor porcentaje de personas masculinas de poco cabello se da en México; sólo el 30% de la población sufre alopecia en algún grado.

Asia
En Asia nos encontramos con hombres que, a pesar de no contar con una altísima densidad de cabellos cuenta con un importantísimo porcentaje de hombres con buen cabello, sin clareos ni calvicie, entre su población. Recordemos que los asiáticos son la raza que menos pelos tienen por folículo, uno solamente; puedes saber más sobre ello en nuestro post ¿Cuántas unidades foliculares son necesarias para el implante capilar?

Los más sufridos son los nipones, que tienen un 26.28% de hombres considerados calvos en el país.

Muy interesante.
Agrego que en Costa Rica, el pais más caucásico de América Central la alopecia es muy similar al Cono Sur + paraguay. ;)

[Tannhauser]

Muy interesante.
Agrego que en Costa Rica, el pais más caucásico de América Central la alopecia es muy similar al Cono Sur + paraguay. ;)

Si tengo entendido que hay unos centenares de genes que pueden causar la alopecia masculina y sociedades más caucásicas tienen mayor predisposición.

[Rocinante]

Analizando las muestras antiguas individuales, me puse a analizar la muestra que tengo mas cercana segun mis coordenadas, y seria la siguiente:

Distance to: A_scaled
0.03610382 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10852

I10852, I10853, I10892, I10895, Medieval, 770–1200 CE

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040

I10852
mtDNA: H6c

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10852
Distance: 2.9766% / 0.02976596
55.6 Early_European_Farmer
26.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
13.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Iberomaurusian
1.0 Rudnaya
0.6 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Jomon

Con permiso de Defcon2:

Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.03379570 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895

I10852, I10853, I10892, I10895, Medieval, 770–1200 CE

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040

I10895
mtDNA: H1ap1
Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a1c

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895
Distance: 3.3644% / 0.03364412
56.2 Early_European_Farmer
29.0 Western_Steppe_Herder
9.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
3.6 Iberomaurusian
1.6 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer

Nada ha cambiado en la genetica con la venida de los moros, sin importar el haplogrupo que uno tenga. Haria el de los demas, pero es que no tengo sus coordenadas.

[gixajo]

Tengo miedo!!!

https://i.imgur.com/XQ5X0kB.png

[Rocinante]

Tengo miedo!!!

https://i.imgur.com/XQ5X0kB.png

Z283 ;)

[gixajo]

Z283 ;)


Hay ganas de saberlo por todos, así podríamos saber si eres descendiente de visigodos, o quizás eres de verdad de Azerbaiyán xD.
Y también porque parece que sí que quieres saber cuál rama de R1a eres.


Z93 y nada más, váis a ver.:rolleyes:

[Rocinante]

Z93 y nada más, váis a ver.:rolleyes:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48977465818_fa612bde63_b.jpg

[gixajo]

[IMG]

Ojalá tuviera yo ese pelazo...

[Rocinante]

Ojalá tuviera yo ese pelazo...

Si sacas Z93, te va a salir un cabello grueso negro al día siguiente, es mas, te tendrías que hacer el avatar y ponerte un pelazo así por adelantado.

[gixajo]

Si sacas Z93, te va a salir un cabello grueso negro al día siguiente, es mas, te tendrías que hacer el avatar y ponerte un pelazo así por adelantado.

Creo que en cosas así, los haplotipos no influyen gran cosa, pero ojalá lo hicieran.:rolleyes:

Ya tengo un avatar de un tipo con pelazo.

[Rocinante]

Creo que en cosas así, los haplotipos no influyen gran cosa, pero ojalá lo hicieran.:rolleyes:

Ya tengo un avatar de un tipo con pelazo.

Evidentemente que no influyen en nada, capta mi humor, te pareces a un usuario español conocido por su pésimo sentido del humor, tu no eres así.

El tipo del avatar ciertamente si se parece a ti... Un aire, vamos.

...Tiene cara de Z283 :rolleyes:

[gixajo]

Evidentemente que no influyen en nada, capta mi humor, te pareces a un usuario español conocido por su pésimo sentido del humor, tu no eres así.

El tipo del avatar ciertamente si se parece a ti... Un aire, vamos.

...Tiene cara de Z283 :rolleyes:

¿Hay un usuario español sin sentido del humor? Imposible.

El tipo del avatar probablemente sería R1b, pero no tengo ni idea de que haplotipo tendría.

Ojalá me pareciera a él en su visión crítica de la realidad y en su forma de describir los problemas de su tiempo, así como en su integridad ética que le hizo apoyar muchas causas que él consideró justas, y que una vez que conoció su auténtica realidad, denunció de forma magistral.

[Rocinante]

¿Hay un usuario español sin sentido del humor? Imposible.

El tipo del avatar probablemente sería R1b, pero no tengo ni idea de que haplotipo tendría.

Ojalá me pareciera a él en su visión crítica de la realidad y en su forma de describir los problemas de su tiempo, así como en su integridad ética que le hizo apoyar muchas causas que él consideró justas, y que una vez que conoció su auténtica realidad, denunció de forma magistral.

Perdona mi ignorancia, quien es el?

[Rocinante]

¿Hay un usuario español sin sentido del humor? Imposible.

El tipo del avatar probablemente sería R1b, pero no tengo ni idea de que haplotipo tendría.

Ojalá me pareciera a él en su visión crítica de la realidad y en su forma de describir los problemas de su tiempo, así como en su integridad ética que le hizo apoyar muchas causas que él consideró justas, y que una vez que conoció su auténtica realidad, denunció de forma magistral.

Perdona mi ignorancia, quien es el?

[mitalit]

¿Hay un usuario español sin sentido del humor? Imposible.

El tipo del avatar probablemente sería R1b, pero no tengo ni idea de que haplotipo tendría.

Ojalá me pareciera a él en su visión crítica de la realidad y en su forma de describir los problemas de su tiempo, así como en su integridad ética que le hizo apoyar muchas causas que él consideró justas, y que una vez que conoció su auténtica realidad, denunció de forma magistral.

Se le ve destrozado al pobre hombre

[gixajo]

Perdona mi ignorancia, quien es el?

No me avisó de tu quote,perdona, es Eric Arthur Blair (George Orwell).

[gixajo]

Se le ve destrozado al pobre hombre

Murió relativamente joven, de una enfermedad que llevaría arrastrando posiblemente durante años.

[mitalit]

He creado un foro iré poniendo temas según me de el aire y tenga tiempo. Os parece buena idea?
https://forogenetica.foroactivo.com/

[Rocinante]

He creado un foro iré poniendo temas según me de el aire y tenga tiempo. Os parece buena idea?
https://forogenetica.foroactivo.com/

Has hecho tu solo esa web? Que chula esta tio!

Mi apoyo total!

[mitalit]

Has hecho tu solo esa web? Que chula esta tio!

Mi apoyo total!

Gracias!! Es muy fácil se hace con una pagina que se hace foroactivo. Lo bueno es que no va como el culo

[gixajo]

Gracias!! Es muy fácil se hace con una pagina que se hace foroactivo. Lo bueno es que no va como el culo

Si consigues que salga en los primeros resultados de los buscadores, especialmente de Google, se te llena de gente.

Si estoy invitado, me registraré.

Empezará a ir como el culo cuando tenga mucho tráfico.:)

[mitalit]

Si consigues que salga en los primeros resultados de los buscadores, especialmente de Google, se te llena de gente.

Si estoy invitado, me registraré.

Empezará a ir como el culo cuando tenga mucho tráfico.:)

No tengo tantas aspiraciones jaja aunque estaría bien tener un foro sobre genética en español como tienen los italianos. Yo iré poniendo todo lo que vaya viendo por aquí y me parezca interesante (así no se pierde en esta pagina) y si lo lee gente que esta empezando en esto de la genética mejor que mejor.
Parece una pagina bastante solvente y liviana no creo que se petase mucho.
Claro que estas invitado si quieres o queréis os hago administradores.

[mitalit]

Hoy es sabado y da pereza pero mañana a la tarde empezare a poner temas

[gixajo]

No tengo tantas aspiraciones jaja aunque estaría bien tener un foro sobre genética en español como tienen los italianos. Yo iré poniendo todo lo que vaya viendo por aquí y me parezca interesante (así no se pierde en esta pagina) y si lo lee gente que esta empezando en esto de la genética mejor que mejor.
Parece una pagina bastante solvente y liviana no creo que se petase mucho.
Claro que estas invitado si quieres o queréis os hago administradores.

No, prefiero no tener poder, si lo tengo tendré tentaciones de usarlo para hacer el Mal.

Tengo problemas con el correo electrónico, pero bueno, considérame como nuevo miembro.

Antes quiero mirar si ya tengo los resultados de 23andme, podría estrenar el foro con esos resultados.(Salvo que no me guste lo que digan y mienta para ocultarlos diciendo que hubo algún tipo de error).

[gixajo]

Coñazo con los mensajes dobles, esto suele ser señal de futuros database error y timeout erro.

[mitalit]

No, prefiero no tener poder, si lo tengo tendré tentaciones de usarlo para hacer el Mal.

Tengo problemas con el correo electrónico, pero bueno, considérame como nuevo miembro.

Antes quiero mirar si ya tengo los resultados de 23andme, podría estrenar el foro con esos resultados.(Salvo que no me guste lo que digan y mienta para ocultarlos diciendo que hubo algún tipo de error).
Últimamente te estas metiendo en muchas broncas, si fuese admin ya habrías baneado a unos cuantos asirios
Ufff me estas cediendo una exclusiva muy jugosa, recuerdo que en esa fase yo estaba mirando la pagina cada dos por tres

[gixajo]

Nada, sin resultados aún, se empezó el último proceso el día 24, dan 1-2 días, si no es esta noche, debería ser mañana.

[gixajo]

Últimamente te estas metiendo en muchas broncas, si fuese admin ya habrías baneado a unos cuantos asirios
Ufff me estas cediendo una exclusiva muy jugosa, recuerdo que en esa fase yo estaba mirando la pagina cada dos por tres

Y eso que en parte le dí la razón, y evité (con bastante esfuerzo) no empezar a usar el mismo tono que el usaba. Aún así, a todos estos les suele gustar elegirme como uno de sus objetivos.

La exclusiva tendrá que esperar.

Reinicio, porque usé una cuenta no habitual de correo para no sobrecargar la de siempre, y me sale error.:picard1:

[Rocinante]

Registrado con exito en ForoGenetica. A ver si soy el primero en crear un hilo.

...O mejor, ser el Dios Troll de ese foro, total, seria como sean aqui en TA, invencible xD

[mitalit]

Registrado con exito en ForoGenetica. A ver si soy el primero en crear un hilo.

...O mejor, ser el Dios Troll de ese foro, total, seria como sean aqui en TA, invencible xD
Quieres que te admin? Este foro necesita a alguien que controle a los negro-meds

[gixajo]

Quieres que te admin? Este foro necesita a alguien que controle a los negro-meds

No hay un thread de presentaciones o bienvenida?

Acabo de entrar.

[gixajo]

No puedo publicar nada, en ningún sitio!!!


No puedes publicar nuevos temas en este foro.
No puedes responder a temas en este foro.

Edito:Que bobo soy, olvidé abrir sesión...

[gixajo]

Ya abrí un hilo.:)

[mitalit]

Me acabo de registrar :)
Bienvenido!


No hay un thread de presentaciones o bienvenida?

Acabo de entrar.
Bienvenido, crea uno para ver si todo va bien. Estoy viendo como se dan los permisos. Quien quiera permisos para ser los jefazos que me diga


No puedo publicar nada, en ningún sitio!!!



Edito:Que bobo soy, olvidé abrir sesión...
Te va bien?

[mitalit]

Me acabo de registrar :)
Bienvenido!


No hay un thread de presentaciones o bienvenida?

Acabo de entrar.
Bienvenido, crea uno para ver si todo va bien. Estoy viendo como se dan los permisos. Quien quiera permisos para ser los jefazos que me diga


No puedo publicar nada, en ningún sitio!!!



Edito:Que bobo soy, olvidé abrir sesión...
Te va bien?

[gixajo]

Bienvenido!


Bienvenido, crea uno para ver si todo va bien. Estoy viendo como se dan los permisos. Quien quiera permisos para ser los jefazos que me diga


Te va bien?

Sí, todo va bien , o al menos lo parece.

[Gota_type_]

LOL, he enviado un pm a Draug con una foto (de un primo mío...) para preguntarle por curiosidad (y por cierta diversión) sobre "How Norwegian do you look?" y me ha contestado:

"the gates to Valhalla are wide open!
He gets to sit next to Odin."

Y eso que dicen que "mi primo.." parece bastante más sueco que noruego. Y q luego tengan huevos a decir q somos morenitos todos o que no tenemos variabilidad extrema de aspectos.

[Rocinante]

Quieres que te admin? Este foro necesita a alguien que controle a los negro-meds

Jajajaja tio lei "negro-med" y ando echao en la cama riendome como un imbecil y mi novia esta hasta los huevos del asunto :lmao

Por ahora, respetuosamente rechazare el ser admin, por ahora... Te lo agradezco mucho. Igualmente soy un gran amigo del jefe de los jefes, no hay quien pueda conmigo, aunque si el jefazo me llama la atencion, yo dejo de trolear, tu sabes como son las cosas :thumb001:

Aunque bueno, para darle vida, creo que comenzar creando un hilo (mañana) de Y-DNA de Iberia, o sea, practicamente trasladar lo que he hecho aqui, alla, vamos que chutamos con ese foro.

[mitalit]

Jajajaja tio lei "negro-med" y ando echao en la cama riendome como un imbecil y mi novia esta hasta los huevos del asunto :lmao

Por ahora, respetuosamente rechazare el ser admin, por ahora... Te lo agradezco mucho. Igualmente soy un gran amigo del jefe de los jefes, no hay quien pueda conmigo, aunque si el jefazo me llama la atencion, yo dejo de trolear, tu sabes como son las cosas :thumb001:

Aunque bueno, para darle vida, creo que comenzar creando un hilo (mañana) de Y-DNA de Iberia, o sea, practicamente trasladar lo que he hecho aqui, alla, vamos que chutamos con ese foro.

De las primeras cosas que iba a hacer era coger la info de tu hilo del y-dna, es un muy buen hilo.

[Gota_type_]

Draug es un buen tío, él es Dinarid, no es el típico fenotipo de Noruega pero es un tío bastante agradable, y mola que te haya dicho eso. A mí me ha dicho que parezco británico o sobretodo Normando, ¿Tu primo también es rubio con ojos claros?

Pero, ¿es noruego 100% Draug? Sí, parece buen tío.

Sí, somos 5 primos rubios de ojos azules entre familia cercana y viviendo en varias partes de Galicia. Pero vamos, el más nórdico de todos o bien yo o bien mi abuelo paterno. Los demás más bien Faelid o más pinta de alemán quizás.

[Rocinante]

De las primeras cosas que iba a hacer era coger la info de tu hilo del y-dna, es un muy buen hilo.

Tienes mi permiso, mis hilos son tus hilos, aunque ya te digo, si no lo haces hoy, mañana esta mi hilo montado en tu foro de mi parte xD, seria una buena manera de comenzar. Ahora hare una publicacion algo interesante en el de aqui, pero con intencion de publicarlo mañana por alla.

Aunque para hoy alguna idea tengo...

[mitalit]

Tienes mi permiso, mis hilos son tus hilos, aunque ya te digo, si no lo haces hoy, mañana esta mi hilo montado en tu foro de mi parte xD, seria una buena manera de comenzar. Ahora hare una publicacion algo interesante en el de aqui, pero con intencion de publicarlo mañana por alla.

Aunque para hoy alguna idea tengo...

Yo ya lo dejo por hoy, mañana me pongo con el foro

[gixajo]

Habrá que ir abriendo hilos para resultados de FTDNA, LivingDna, mapas del k36 y de 23andme ... ¿modelos del g25 también?

Lástima que aquí no podamos editar mensajes viejos, solo habría que cortar y pegar.

¿Los italianos también usan la misma plataforma para su foro de genética?

[mitalit]

Habrá que ir abriendo hilos para resultados de FTDNA, LivingDna, mapas del k36 y de 23andme ... ¿modelos del g25 también?

Lástima que aquí no podamos editar mensajes viejos, solo habría que cortar y pegar.

¿Los italianos también usan la misma plataforma para su foro de genética?
Sii, seria una muy buena manera de tener hilos con resultados ordenados (si el foro se llenase de mensajes anclaria los mas importantes). Los italianos usan la misma plataforma de apricity

[Rocinante]

Yo ya lo dejo por hoy, mañana me pongo con el foro

Ahi cree mi primer hilo, mañana lo echo por aqui, yo me pondre con el tlf un ratillo pero ya soltare la laptop, lo de San Ildefonso hoy me dejo liquidado, salir a pasear, por mas bonito que sea todo, este calor te revienta y te quita energia, ganas, alma, todo tio.

[Ruggery]

Gracias!! Es muy fácil se hace con una pagina que se hace foroactivo. Lo bueno es que no va como el culo

Que lenguaje usaste ?

[Ruggery]

LOL, he enviado un pm a Draug con una foto (de un primo mío...) para preguntarle por curiosidad (y por cierta diversión) sobre "How Norwegian do you look?" y me ha contestado:

"the gates to Valhalla are wide open!
He gets to sit next to Odin."

Y eso que dicen que "mi primo.." parece bastante más sueco que noruego. Y q luego tengan huevos a decir q somos morenitos todos o que no tenemos variabilidad extrema de aspectos.

Bueno como Septentrión que dice que España es él país mas med de toda Europa, o Sean que dice que personas como vos no son verdaderos españoles.

[Ruggery]

Draug es un buen tío, él es Dinarid, no es el típico fenotipo de Noruega pero es un tío bastante agradable, y mola que te haya dicho eso. A mí me ha dicho que parezco británico o sobretodo Normando, ¿Tu primo también es rubio con ojos claros?

Draug para ser 100% noruego es mas oscuro que él noruego promedió al igual que JamesBond es supuestamente ingles escocés y holandés y es mas oscuro que él promedio de esos 3 países.

[Luso]

Draug para ser 100% noruego es mas oscuro que él noruego promedió al igual que JamesBond es supuestamente ingles escocés y holandés y es mas oscuro que él promedio de esos 3 países.

Vale, muchas veces el color de la piel es exagerado. rasgos faciales> pigmentación. ¿Estás de acuerdo? Pero honestamente esperaría que Scott y Norweigan fueran más ligeros por estereotipo / promedio

[Ruggery]

Vale, muchas veces el color de la piel es exagerado. rasgos faciales> pigmentación. ¿Estás de acuerdo? Pero honestamente esperaría que Scott y Norweigan fueran más ligeros por estereotipo / promedio

Él promedio scott es Keltic Nórdic y él Noruego es Hallstatt/Tronder Draug es alpino un fenotipo no raro pero tampoco muy común en Noruega.

[Erronkari]

Él promedio scott es Keltic Nórdic y él Noruego es Hallstatt/Tronder Draug es alpino un fenotipo no raro pero tampoco muy común en Noruega.

¿No será Strandid, qué es cómo una especie de alpino escandinavo?
Esos no son raros, cómo tampoco lo son los Tydal (Paleoatlantid escandinavo), aunque claro, tampoco se los ve con mucha frecuencia.

[Ruggery]

Draug por la foto que me mandó es claramente Dinarid y él mismo se reconoce como Dinarid, él me dijo que simplemente por ser noruego le dicen fenotipos que pueden estar relacionados con estas etnias septentrionales, como Paleo-Atlantid o a veces metiendo de por medio un Alpinid.
El fenotipo más común en Noruega se podría decir que es Trønder o Trønder+Hallstatt y depende de qué región tener influencias o ser Paleo-Atlantid o North Atlantid.

A mi me pareció que también Tenía influencia alpina o es mi percepción además Paleo Atlantid y North Atlantid solo diría que es Común en el oeste de Noruega como el Dinarid en el este de España.

[mitalit]

Ahi cree mi primer hilo, mañana lo echo por aqui, yo me pondre con el tlf un ratillo pero ya soltare la laptop, lo de San Ildefonso hoy me dejo liquidado, salir a pasear, por mas bonito que sea todo, este calor te revienta y te quita energia, ganas, alma, todo tio.

gran hilo, Madrid en verano es un infierno y encima no hay playa.

[mitalit]

Oye, que sí que Athal soy yo, que no sé como "quotear" Ahí xD

Bienvenido, es igual que aquí aunque creo que no salta notificación. A ver si luego voy poniendo cosillas.

[mitalit]

Que lenguaje usaste ?

No tengo ni idea de programación, se hace con una pagina y es muy fácil

[Ruggery]

No tengo ni idea de programación, se hace con una pagina y es muy fácil

Por él formato de la página ya me imaginaba.

[mitalit]

Pues nada, lo he puesto similar aquí, aunque sin los números esos y no me sale como que se haya quoteado

Te he respondido por el foro

[Rocinante]

No me he metido en ForoGenetica porque quiero hacer con calma lo del Y-DNA de Iberia, por si acaso.

[Rocinante]

Mejor hacerlo con calma que tener que entregar todos los trabajos el próximo día para que te suba nota y puedas aprobar el curso.

Mejor dicho imposible, amigo.

[mitalit]

Habrá que ir abriendo hilos para resultados de FTDNA, LivingDna, mapas del k36 y de 23andme ... ¿modelos del g25 también?

Lástima que aquí no podamos editar mensajes viejos, solo habría que cortar y pegar.

¿Los italianos también usan la misma plataforma para su foro de genética?

Aun no te han llegado los resultados?

[Defcon2]

Poblaciones de referencia para europeos modernos según el creador de G25:

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/ancient-ancestry-proportions-in-present.html

Faltan dos aún en la hoja de datos oficial pero bueno.


HUN_Koros_N_HG,0.137726,0.12491,0.180264,0.154395, 0.128332,0.042112,0.015041,0.03646,0.071992,0.0069 25,-0.005196,-0.013488,0.014717,-0.003303,0.028637,0.046141,0.018384,0.005954,-0.008296,0.045772,0.061142,0.010634,-0.040672,-0.124475,0.013053
TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285 ,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP,-0.602693,0.055346,0.0148965,0.0263245,-0.0064625,0.00502,0.1243205,-0.099919,0.0138055,-0.007016,-0.00065,-0.0242785,-0.0203665,-0.0052295,0.0021035,-0.00179,0.0127125,0.017356,-0.0011945,-0.0040645,-0.003494,-0.000371,0.0016025,-0.0009035,-0.0020955
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
CZE_Vestonice16,0.045529,0.024373,0.032809,0.08430 3,0.0397,-0.001116,-0.004465,0.001154,0.056653,0.023144,0.007795,-0.01169,0.006392,-0.008533,0.008686,0.012066,-0.005737,0.008488,-0.010684,0.022886,0.036436,0.009027,-0.015159,-0.065672,0.000479
BEL_GoyetQ116-1,0.043253,-0.005078,0.003017,0.093993,0.045547,0.001952,-0.00517,-0.000692,0.065857,0.024055,0.00341,0.000899,0.0093 66,-0.022983,0.019137,0.017634,0.011865,0.004561,-0.006034,0.034767,0.026079,0.002473,-0.023664,-0.061695,0.003712
Iberia_ElMiron,0.0774,0.044683,0.105217,0.129201,0 .11079,0.031236,0.00188,0.006231,0.088559,0.02442,-0.005359,-0.002847,0.008622,-0.013487,0.037459,0.041633,0.002217,0.006968,-0.015209,0.045772,0.063638,0.007914,-0.036481,-0.129054,0.013053
RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0.2101 663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
MNG_North_N,0.0237403,-0.4314549,0.0890541,-0.0247326,-0.0815536,-0.0521129,0.0134964,0.0145379,0.0179981,0.020098,-0.029346,-0.0013703,0.0013593,-0.0051314,-0.0056033,-0.0039967,0.0038743,0.0006154,0.0038967,0.020331,-0.0196439,-0.0037801,-0.0166207,-0.0061969,0.0076981


Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.8819% / 0.04881876
54.0 TUR_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_UKR
7.8 Iberia_ElMiron
4.6 MAR_Taforalt
4.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.2 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.4 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

[Rocinante]

Soy Negro-Med

Target: A_scaled
Distance: 2.5085% / 0.02508476
48.2 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_UKR
11.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt
3.4 Levant_PPNB
0.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

[Defcon2]

Soy Negro-Med

Target: A_scaled
Distance: 2.5085% / 0.02508476
48.2 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_UKR
11.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt
3.4 Levant_PPNB
0.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Un poco de levante no hace nadie a daño.

[Rocinante]

Un poco de levante no hace nadie a daño.

Si sacaba más de 5%, me metía a musulmán.

[Luso]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.2809% / 0.04280903
50.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
7.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP
0.2 CZE_Vestonice16

[gixajo]

Poblaciones de referencia para europeos modernos según el creador de G25:

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/ancient-ancestry-proportions-in-present.html

Faltan dos aún en la hoja de datos oficial pero bueno.



Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.9527% / 0.03952672
52.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_UKR
16.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.6972% / 0.03697185
56.4 TUR_Barcin_N
27.0 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.9312% / 0.04931192
50.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
17.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.4 MAR_Taforalt

Pero de dónde sale ese cazador recolector húngaro?

No había sacado nunca tanto HG.

[Defcon2]

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 3.2426% / 0.03242611
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.5355% / 0.03535518
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_UKR
14.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
Distance: 3.5044% / 0.03504412
54.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_UKR
14.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Soria
Distance: 4.0519% / 0.04051899
51.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_UKR
17.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Pirineu
Distance: 3.3899% / 0.03389923
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.2 Yamnaya_UKR
16.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
Distance: 3.3064% / 0.03306372
53.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.4 Yamnaya_UKR
14.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Penedes
Distance: 3.2140% / 0.03214049
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Yamnaya_UKR
14.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.3277% / 0.05327655
53.0 TUR_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_UKR
20.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.6322% / 0.04632249
54.0 TUR_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_UKR
13.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.0 Iberia_ElMiron
1.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.9979% / 0.02997912
53.8 TUR_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_UKR
11.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt
3.4 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Menorca
Distance: 3.1057% / 0.03105676
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_UKR
12.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Mallorca
Distance: 2.9174% / 0.02917408
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Lleida
Distance: 3.4806% / 0.03480622
53.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_UKR
15.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.3729% / 0.03372911
57.6 TUR_Barcin_N
21.4 Yamnaya_UKR
19.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Girona
Distance: 3.2703% / 0.03270319
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
31.8 Yamnaya_UKR
13.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.3703% / 0.03370282
51.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
14.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 3.1236% / 0.03123642
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_UKR
12.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Eivissa
Distance: 3.2877% / 0.03287729
54.0 TUR_Barcin_N
31.0 Yamnaya_UKR
12.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Catalunya_Central
Distance: 3.3814% / 0.03381373
53.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_UKR
15.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.3987% / 0.03398689
51.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_UKR
16.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.8641% / 0.03864139
51.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_UKR
14.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.6351% / 0.03635146
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_UKR
13.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Castello
Distance: 3.3389% / 0.03338949
53.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_UKR
15.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.9153% / 0.03915253
53.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_UKR
16.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.9512% / 0.02951201
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
27.0 Yamnaya_UKR
11.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
10.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

Target: Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Distance: 2.9994% / 0.02999431
52.2 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_UKR
14.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Barcelones
Distance: 3.6381% / 0.03638129
52.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_UKR
16.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
1.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 3.0390% / 0.03039020
54.4 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_UKR
12.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.1631% / 0.05163087
51.4 TUR_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_UKR
15.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
5.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 4.1118% / 0.04111799
53.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_UKR
15.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.4079% / 0.03407943
53.0 TUR_Barcin_N
28.2 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Spanish_Alacant
Distance: 3.4966% / 0.03496632
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_UKR
12.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Iberia_ElMiron

Target: Basque_Spanish
Distance: 5.2203% / 0.05220273
53.8 TUR_Barcin_N
23.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
22.8 Yamnaya_UKR
0.4 Iberia_ElMiron

[Defcon2]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.9527% / 0.03952672
52.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_UKR
16.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.6972% / 0.03697185
56.4 TUR_Barcin_N
27.0 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.9312% / 0.04931192
50.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
17.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.4 MAR_Taforalt

Pero de dónde sale ese cazador recolector húngaro?

No había sacado nunca tanto HG.

Estás por debajo de los vascos aunque tu madre se acerca.

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 4.1607% / 0.04160741
50.0 TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Yamnaya_UKR
11.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
4.4 MAR_Taforalt
1.0 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 3.7455% / 0.03745479
49.6 TUR_Barcin_N
35.0 Yamnaya_UKR
11.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.6 MAR_Taforalt

[gixajo]

Estás por debajo de los vascos aunque tu madre se acerca.

Pues como siempre, y tanto mi madre como yo solemos dar el mismo Mar_taforalt, cosa que la referencia vasca no suele dar nada, o practicamente nada.

[PT Tagus]

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 4.0641% / 0.04064072
50.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
11.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
4.6 MAR_Taforalt
2.8 Levant_Natufian
2.0 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

[Rocinante]

Haciendo un analisis de la nueva calculadora de Davidski, ya conocia y habia manejado un poco alguna que otra muestra y mas o menos sabia de que iban, pero bueno aqui va, para que se hagan una idea. Ire poniendo una por una.

[Rocinante]

Target: HUN_Koros_N_HG
Distance: 3.4567% / 0.03456652
45.2 Baltic_Mesolithic:Baltic_LVA_HG
41.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour
13.2 Early_European_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N

I2373, Koros, 6000-5500 BCE
mtDNA: H

I2794, Koros, 5706-5541 calBCE
mtDNA: K1a26

I4971, Koros, 5736-5547 calBCE
mtDNA: K1
Y-DNA: I2a2

[gixajo]

Target: HUN_Koros_N_HG
Distance: 3.4567% / 0.03456652
45.2 Baltic_Mesolithic:Baltic_LVA_HG
41.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour
13.2 Early_European_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N

I2373, Koros, 6000-5500 BCE
mtDNA: H

I2794, Koros, 5706-5541 calBCE
mtDNA: K1a26

I4971, Koros, 5736-5547 calBCE
mtDNA: K1
Y-DNA: I2a2

Ese casi 14% de EEF supongo que es la razón de que nos suba tanto el HG total, no?

En comparación , que suma de HG tenía la muestra de Logschbour o como se llamara esa?

[Rocinante]

Target: Yamnaya_UKR
Distance: 2.7978% / 0.02797779
92.4 Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 Early_European_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N
2.0 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG
1.2 Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 Satsurblia_Cluster:GEO_CHG
0.8 Baltic_Mesolithic:Baltic_LVA_HG
0.6 Sub-Saharan:Yoruba

I1917, Yamnaya, 3095-2915 calBCE
mtDNA: R0a1

I2105, Yamnaya, 3300-2700 BCE
mtDNA: T1a1

MJ-06, Yamnaya, 2864-2495 BC
mtDNA: H2a1

[Rocinante]

Ese casi 14% de EEF supongo que es la razón de que nos suba tanto el HG total, no?

En comparación , que suma de HG tenía la muestra de Logschbour o como se llamara esa?

exactamete.

Por la edad, los cazadores-recolectores de la cultura Koros, por la edad que tiene la muestra y la situacion geografica, no se extraña que el Neolitico ya estuviese pasandoles por encima y estuviesen mezclados con EEF y ademas con otros cazadores-recolectores del Este de Europa como podian ser los del Narva.

[Rocinante]

Target: Levant_PPNB
Distance: 3.0545% / 0.03054542
53.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian
45.4 Early_European_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N
0.8 Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

I0867, PPNB, 7300-6750 BC
mtDNA: K1a4b
Y-DNA: H2

I1704, PPNB, 7700-7000 BC
mtDNA: T1a

I1707, PPNB, 7700-7000 BC
mtDNA: R0a
Y-DNA: T(xT1a1,T1a2a)

I1710, PPNB, 7700-7000 BC
mtDNA: T1a2
Y-DNA: E1b1b1(xE1b1b1b1a1,E1b1b1a1b1,E1b1b1a1b2,E1b1b1b2a 1c)

KFH2, PPNB, 7712–7589 cal BCE

mtDNA: N1a1b

[gixajo]

Ye metí el nuevo raw data en Gedmatch. Cambia algo.

K13 viejo.

dmix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.06
2 West_Med 30.06
3 Baltic 11.68
4 East_Med 7.08
5 Red_Sea 5.14
6 West_Asian 2.1
7 Northeast_African 1.24
8 South_Asian 0.9
9 Oceanian 0.76



Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 4.06
2 Southwest_French 4.64
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.74
4 Spanish_Galicia 6.14
5 Spanish_Aragon 6.46
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.53
7 Spanish_Extremadura 7.39
8 Spanish_Cataluna 7.48
9 Portuguese 7.84
10 Spanish_Andalucia 7.86
11 Spanish_Valencia 8.04
12 Spanish_Murcia 8.16
13 French 11.84
14 French_Basque 13.75
15 North_Italian 14.82
16 South_Dutch 17.04
17 West_German 17.9
18 Southwest_English 19.85
19 Southeast_English 20.37
20 Tuscan 20.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Spanish_Galicia + 27.3% French_Basque @ 3.58
2 96.5% Southwest_French + 3.5% Somali @ 3.73
3 96.3% Southwest_French + 3.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.76
4 96.3% Southwest_French + 3.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.77
5 96.7% Southwest_French + 3.3% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.85
6 96.9% Southwest_French + 3.1% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.89
7 98.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.3% Somali @ 3.94
8 94.1% Southwest_French + 5.9% Moroccan @ 3.96
9 98.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.98
10 98.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.98
11 99% Spanish_Cantabria + 1% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.99
12 99% Spanish_Cantabria + 1% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.99
13 99.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.8% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.99
14 78% Spanish_Cantabria + 22% Southwest_French @ 4.01
15 99.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.8% Sakilli @ 4.01
16 95.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 4.7% French_Basque @ 4.01
17 99% Spanish_Cantabria + 1% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.01
18 99.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.9% Gujarati @ 4.01
19 99.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.8% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.01
20 99.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.8% Dharkar @ 4.01

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.908170
2 French_Basque + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.932449
3 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.032054
4 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.237134
5 French_Basque + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.309228
6 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.315478
7 French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.360490
8 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.379547
9 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.393888
10 French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.395259
11 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.402888
12 French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.416428
13 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.429936
14 French_Basque + Norwegian + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.430023
15 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.438166
16 French_Basque + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 4.455385
17 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.467680
18 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.468130
19 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.486194
20 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.496638


K13 nuevo.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.99
2 West_Med 27.93
3 Baltic 11.87
4 Red_Sea 6.92
5 East_Med 6.37
6 South_Asian 1.5
7 West_Asian 1.41
8 Oceanian 0.96
9 Northeast_African 0.63
10 Sub-Saharan 0.41



Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 5.69
2 Southwest_French 6.41
3 Spanish_Galicia 6.49
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.12
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.15
6 Spanish_Aragon 7.71
7 Spanish_Cataluna 8.15
8 Spanish_Extremadura 8.18
9 Portuguese 8.34
10 Spanish_Murcia 8.89
11 Spanish_Valencia 9.18
12 Spanish_Andalucia 9.49
13 French 10.97
14 French_Basque 14.57
15 North_Italian 15.83
16 South_Dutch 16
17 West_German 16.99
18 Southwest_English 18.51
19 Southeast_English 19.13
20 Orcadian 21.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Spanish_Galicia + 24.5% French_Basque @ 4.71
2 91.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 8.1% Irish @ 5.39
3 90.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 9.3% Southwest_English @ 5.39
4 91.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 8.1% West_Scottish @ 5.4
5 93.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 6.2% Swedish @ 5.44
6 92.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 7.5% Orcadian @ 5.45
7 93% Spanish_Cantabria + 7% North_Dutch @ 5.45
8 51.1% Southwest_French + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.45
9 93.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 6.3% Norwegian @ 5.45
10 94.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 5.3% North_Swedish @ 5.46
11 93.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 6.5% North_German @ 5.48
12 93.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 6.4% Danish @ 5.48
13 96.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 3.6% La_Brana-1 @ 5.49
14 70% Spanish_Cantabria + 30% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.5
15 96.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 3.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.52
16 93.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 6.9% Southeast_English @ 5.53
17 91.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 8.3% South_Dutch @ 5.53
18 96.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 3.1% East_Finnish @ 5.53
19 96.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 3.3% Finnish @ 5.53
20 87.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 12.1% French @ 5.54

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Swedish @ 4.999421
2 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Norwegian @ 5.027375
3 French_Basque + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.130134
4 French + French_Basque + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.242105
5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + North_Dutch @ 5.274413
6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Irish + Moroccan @ 5.299902
7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + West_Scottish @ 5.375348
8 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + North_Swedish @ 5.383826
9 Danish + French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan @ 5.390222
10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Orcadian @ 5.410517
11 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.498609
12 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.505666
13 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + North_German @ 5.528765
14 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Swedish @ 5.566348
15 French + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.579640
16 French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.583786
17 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Norwegian @ 5.596596
18 French + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.625566
19 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.630434
20 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Swedish @ 5.645006

[gixajo]

k15 viejo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.08
2 West_Med 23.79
3 North_Sea 18.99
4 Baltic 8.49
5 East_Med 5.03
6 Red_Sea 4.7
7 West_Asian 2.59
8 Eastern_Euro 2.27
9 Northeast_African 1.32
10 Oceanian 0.63
11 South_Asian 0.1


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 3.88
2 Southwest_French 4.46
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.49
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.6
5 Spanish_Aragon 5.61
6 Spanish_Valencia 6.64
7 Spanish_Cataluna 6.8
8 Spanish_Andalucia 7.07
9 Spanish_Extremadura 7.2
10 Spanish_Murcia 7.59
11 Portuguese 7.76
12 Spanish_Galicia 8.51
13 North_Italian 12.78
14 French 12.92
15 French_Basque 12.92
16 South_Dutch 16.83
17 Tuscan 18.85
18 Southwest_English 19.45
19 West_German 20.42
20 Austrian 20.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% Southwest_French + 38.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.65
2 68.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.2% Southwest_French @ 3.72
3 97.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.7% Lithuanian @ 3.74
4 97.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.6% Belorussian @ 3.77
5 97.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.77
6 97.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.78
7 97.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.78
8 98.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.1% Somali @ 3.79
9 82.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 17.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.79
10 76.5% Southwest_French + 23.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.8
11 98.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.8
12 97.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.6% South_Polish @ 3.8
13 97.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.4% La_Brana-1 @ 3.8
14 98.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.8
15 97.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.5% Polish @ 3.8
16 97.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.81
17 97% Spanish_Cantabria + 3% Croatian @ 3.81
18 98% Spanish_Cantabria + 2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
19 97.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.3% Ukrainian @ 3.82
20 99.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.9% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.82

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.925508
2 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.977447
3 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.054691
4 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.060371
5 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.124919
6 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.127414
7 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.160789
8 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.163993
9 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.196477
10 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.199932
11 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.217985
12 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.256726
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.261348
14 French_Basque + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.270495
15 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.273346
16 Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.283646
17 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.303974
18 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.308710
19 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.319546
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.324889


K15 nuevo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 33.75
2 West_Med 21.75
3 North_Sea 18.16
4 Baltic 8.23
5 Red_Sea 6.46
6 East_Med 4.89
7 Eastern_Euro 2.78
8 West_Asian 1.35
9 Northeast_African 0.99
10 Oceanian 0.87
11 South_Asian 0.77


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_French 5.38
2 Spanish_Cantabria 5.54
3 Spanish_Aragon 5.97
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.26
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.56
6 Spanish_Valencia 7.25
7 Spanish_Cataluna 8
8 Spanish_Extremadura 8.04
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.07
10 Spanish_Murcia 8.32
11 Portuguese 9.11
12 Spanish_Galicia 9.89
13 French_Basque 12.39
14 French 13.48
15 North_Italian 14.06
16 South_Dutch 16.96
17 Southwest_English 19.58
18 Tuscan 19.76
19 Austrian 20.62
20 Southeast_English 20.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.4% Southwest_French + 3.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.75
2 96.4% Southwest_French + 3.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 4.76
3 96.9% Southwest_French + 3.1% Somali @ 4.8
4 95.9% Southwest_French + 4.1% Saudi @ 4.82
5 72% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 28% French_Basque @ 4.83
6 65.9% Southwest_French + 34.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.88
7 97.1% Southwest_French + 2.9% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 4.9
8 97.3% Southwest_French + 2.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 4.93
9 94.7% Southwest_French + 5.3% Moroccan @ 5
10 92.1% Spanish_Aragon + 7.9% Lithuanian @ 5.01
11 57% Spanish_Galicia + 43% French_Basque @ 5.02
12 77.1% Southwest_French + 22.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.05
13 91.4% Spanish_Aragon + 8.6% Estonian_Polish @ 5.05
14 91.5% Spanish_Aragon + 8.5% Belorussian @ 5.07
15 96.3% Southwest_French + 3.7% Bedouin @ 5.07
16 95.1% Southwest_French + 4.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.07
17 90.8% Spanish_Aragon + 9.2% La_Brana-1 @ 5.07
18 97% Southwest_French + 3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.08
19 95.3% Southwest_French + 4.7% Algerian @ 5.08
20 91.8% Spanish_Aragon + 8.2% Estonian @ 5.09

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.045690
2 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.067280
3 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.205009
4 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.228122
5 French_Basque + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.284340
6 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.285131
7 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.288681
8 French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.292161
9 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.296387
10 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.296813
11 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.357616
12 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.360842
13 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.362161
14 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.380344
15 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.416453
16 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.424038
17 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.430512
18 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.440602
19 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.457651
20 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.461228

[Rocinante]

k15 viejo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.08
2 West_Med 23.79
3 North_Sea 18.99
4 Baltic 8.49
5 East_Med 5.03
6 Red_Sea 4.7
7 West_Asian 2.59
8 Eastern_Euro 2.27
9 Northeast_African 1.32
10 Oceanian 0.63
11 South_Asian 0.1


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 3.88
2 Southwest_French 4.46
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.49
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.6
5 Spanish_Aragon 5.61
6 Spanish_Valencia 6.64
7 Spanish_Cataluna 6.8
8 Spanish_Andalucia 7.07
9 Spanish_Extremadura 7.2
10 Spanish_Murcia 7.59
11 Portuguese 7.76
12 Spanish_Galicia 8.51
13 North_Italian 12.78
14 French 12.92
15 French_Basque 12.92
16 South_Dutch 16.83
17 Tuscan 18.85
18 Southwest_English 19.45
19 West_German 20.42
20 Austrian 20.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% Southwest_French + 38.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.65
2 68.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.2% Southwest_French @ 3.72
3 97.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.7% Lithuanian @ 3.74
4 97.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.6% Belorussian @ 3.77
5 97.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.77
6 97.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.78
7 97.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.78
8 98.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.1% Somali @ 3.79
9 82.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 17.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.79
10 76.5% Southwest_French + 23.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.8
11 98.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.8
12 97.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.6% South_Polish @ 3.8
13 97.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.4% La_Brana-1 @ 3.8
14 98.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 1.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.8
15 97.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.5% Polish @ 3.8
16 97.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.81
17 97% Spanish_Cantabria + 3% Croatian @ 3.81
18 98% Spanish_Cantabria + 2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
19 97.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 2.3% Ukrainian @ 3.82
20 99.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 0.9% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.82

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.925508
2 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.977447
3 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.054691
4 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.060371
5 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.124919
6 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.127414
7 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.160789
8 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.163993
9 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.196477
10 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.199932
11 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.217985
12 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.256726
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.261348
14 French_Basque + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.270495
15 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.273346
16 Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.283646
17 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.303974
18 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.308710
19 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.319546
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.324889


K15 nuevo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 33.75
2 West_Med 21.75
3 North_Sea 18.16
4 Baltic 8.23
5 Red_Sea 6.46
6 East_Med 4.89
7 Eastern_Euro 2.78
8 West_Asian 1.35
9 Northeast_African 0.99
10 Oceanian 0.87
11 South_Asian 0.77


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_French 5.38
2 Spanish_Cantabria 5.54
3 Spanish_Aragon 5.97
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.26
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.56
6 Spanish_Valencia 7.25
7 Spanish_Cataluna 8
8 Spanish_Extremadura 8.04
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.07
10 Spanish_Murcia 8.32
11 Portuguese 9.11
12 Spanish_Galicia 9.89
13 French_Basque 12.39
14 French 13.48
15 North_Italian 14.06
16 South_Dutch 16.96
17 Southwest_English 19.58
18 Tuscan 19.76
19 Austrian 20.62
20 Southeast_English 20.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.4% Southwest_French + 3.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.75
2 96.4% Southwest_French + 3.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 4.76
3 96.9% Southwest_French + 3.1% Somali @ 4.8
4 95.9% Southwest_French + 4.1% Saudi @ 4.82
5 72% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 28% French_Basque @ 4.83
6 65.9% Southwest_French + 34.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.88
7 97.1% Southwest_French + 2.9% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 4.9
8 97.3% Southwest_French + 2.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 4.93
9 94.7% Southwest_French + 5.3% Moroccan @ 5
10 92.1% Spanish_Aragon + 7.9% Lithuanian @ 5.01
11 57% Spanish_Galicia + 43% French_Basque @ 5.02
12 77.1% Southwest_French + 22.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.05
13 91.4% Spanish_Aragon + 8.6% Estonian_Polish @ 5.05
14 91.5% Spanish_Aragon + 8.5% Belorussian @ 5.07
15 96.3% Southwest_French + 3.7% Bedouin @ 5.07
16 95.1% Southwest_French + 4.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.07
17 90.8% Spanish_Aragon + 9.2% La_Brana-1 @ 5.07
18 97% Southwest_French + 3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.08
19 95.3% Southwest_French + 4.7% Algerian @ 5.08
20 91.8% Spanish_Aragon + 8.2% Estonian @ 5.09

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.045690
2 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.067280
3 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.205009
4 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.228122
5 French_Basque + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.284340
6 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.285131
7 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.288681
8 French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.292161
9 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.296387
10 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.296813
11 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.357616
12 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.360842
13 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.362161
14 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.380344
15 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.416453
16 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.424038
17 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.430512
18 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.440602
19 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.457651
20 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.461228

Joder macho te cambio mas o menos no? Cual te parece mas acertado en gedmatch?

[gixajo]

Joder macho te cambio mas o menos no? Cual te parece mas acertado en gedmatch?

Cambia un poco , pero en general son similares, en el k36 por ejemplo me sube bastante el Arabian, algo el North Sea y el Basque, o me aparece algo de Oceanian, me baja el French y el Italian cosas así.El Iberian practicamente igual...

Con MH.

https://i.imgur.com/ifprYjT.png

Con 23andMe.

https://i.imgur.com/sPVbxBn.png

[gixajo]

Ni idea de cual es mas acertado, no se si me vale la pena pedir el G25, o no, tengo curiosidad, pero va a ser un lío luego. Igual dejo de poner resultados de mis padres y pongo solo los de las dos coordenadas mías.

También podría hacer una media de mis dos coordenadas, pero el cambio sería mínimo. ¿Tú qué opinas?

[Ruderico]

En general los resultados son muy cercanos, no vale a pena pedir un nuevo G25 y pagar 12USD

[gixajo]

En general los resultados son muy cercanos, no vale a pena pedir un nuevo G25 y pagar 12USD

Con el kit de Gedmatch de los raw data de 23andme, en algunos calculadores de varios proyectos de Gedmatch, creí que me había equivocado y estaba analizando el kit de otra persona, de lo raros que me parecían sus resultados.

[Ruderico]

Con el kit de Gedmatch de los raw data de 23andme, en algunos calculadores de varios proyectos de Gedmatch, creí que me había equivocado y estaba analizando el kit de otra persona, de lo raros que me parecían sus resultados.

Calculadores son lo que son, tus componentes en K13 y K15 son cercanos en ambos, así como las referencias. El mayor problema son las correlaciones de componentes en cada teste, tienes Portugueses con 35% Atlantic y otros solo con 20% pero esta diferencia es artificial, es más una consecuencia de los testes. Pero es natural que hagan diferencias, pruebas diferentes testan SNPs diferentes - es imposible tener los mismos resultados

[gixajo]

Calculadores son lo que son, tus componentes en K13 y K15 son cercanos en ambos, así como las referencias. El mayor problema son las correlaciones de componentes en cada teste, tienes Portugueses con 35% Atlantic y otros solo con 20% pero esta diferencia es artificial, es más una consecuencia de los testes. Pero es natural que hagan diferencias, pruebas diferentes testan SNPs diferentes - es imposible tener los mismos resultados

Lo sé.

Aún así me estoy pensando lo de pedir el G25 de estos raw data.

Lo que más lamento es haberle hecho el test a mis padres con MH, no porque sea especialmente malo, si no porque mi padre no quiere volver a hacerse ningún test más, y me hubiera gustado tener sus resultados y raw data de 23andMe también.

[gixajo]

Lo sé.

Aún así me estoy pensando lo de pedir el G25 de estos raw data.

Lo que más lamento es haberle hecho el test a mis padres con MH, no porque sea especialmente malo, si no porque mi padre no quiere volver a hacerse ningún test más, y me hubiera gustado tener sus resultados y raw data de 23andMe también.

En los matches de 23andme me salen 3 portugueses, dos de ellos (que deben de ser familia) en un pueblo cerca de Oporto.

¿No hay muchos Europeos que se testeen con 23andMe, no? Lo digo porque tengo solo 21 matches en la península Ibérica,no llega ni a 100 en toda Europa, y cosa de 1000 en América.

[gixajo]

Acabo de entrar en vahaduo y pone en rojo esto:


Official Eurogenes datasets (29.07.2020)

han actualizado...qué exactamente?

[mitalit]

Acabo de entrar en vahaduo y pone en rojo esto:



han actualizado...qué exactamente?

Parece que han añadido nuevas referencias

[Rocinante]

Acabo de entrar en vahaduo y pone en rojo esto:



han actualizado...qué exactamente?

No se, pero yo sigo tranquilo con mi gente:

Distance to: A
0.02084411 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02131956 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02185645 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02203262 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02204172 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02212577 Spanish_Penedes
0.02259359 Spanish_Castello
0.02261551 Spanish_Girona
0.02266757 Swiss_Italian
0.02271283 Spanish_Murcia
0.02275305 Portuguese
0.02275319 Spanish_Soria
0.02278730 Spanish_Baleares
0.02303470 Italian_Veneto
0.02308597 Spanish_Canarias
0.02322142 French_Provence
0.02329221 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02332985 Spanish_Galicia
0.02351158 French_Corsica
0.02357911 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02364424 Italian_Umbria
0.02396388 Swiss_French
0.02411990 Spanish_Alacant
0.02454942 Italian_Northeast
0.02462321 Spanish_Cataluna

Distance to: A_scaled
0.03243769 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03381945 Portuguese
0.03545602 Spanish_Murcia
0.03589345 Spanish_Galicia
0.03603579 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03637377 Spanish_Baleares
0.03770743 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03818932 Spanish_Alacant
0.03862690 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03862861 Swiss_Italian
0.03892592 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03933381 Spanish_Menorca
0.03966465 Italian_Veneto
0.03986138 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03998288 Spanish_Girona
0.04004703 Spanish_Canarias
0.04031034 Spanish_Penedes
0.04031946 French_Provence
0.04086925 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.04124225 Spanish_Castello
0.04178732 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04202779 Italian_Piedmont
0.04231565 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04247996 Spanish_Valencia
0.04262202 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

[Rocinante]

Asi como cuando eres mas extremeño que un extremeño:

Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02910482 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03060709 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03207127 Spanish_Murcia
0.03254575 Portuguese
0.03321373 Spanish_Extremadura

Distance to: A_scaled
0.03243769 Spanish_Extremadura

Jejex.

[gixajo]

Parece que han añadido nuevas referencias

Pero...Eurogenes? Han pasado a g25 las referencias de los calculadores de eurogenes de gedmatch?

[mitalit]

Pero...Eurogenes? Han pasado a g25 las referencias de los calculadores de eurogenes de gedmatch?

No, eso siempre ha estado ahi solo que han añadido mas. Creo que son todas las muestras de G25 que existen hasta el momento (las mismas que te pasa el polaco por email cuando te envía las coordenadas)

[gixajo]

Creo que me ha bajado algo más la distancia, pero no recuerdo que me salía, y paso de ponerme a buscar el hilo correspondiente.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.3671% / 0.01367089
43.8 Spanish_Aragon
21.6 Basque_Spanish
10.4 French_Seine-Maritime
6.4 Sardinian
4.2 Lithuanian_PZ
4.0 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
3.6 Spanish_Soria
2.8 Portuguese
2.4 Yemenite_Mahra
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Koinanbe
0.2 Spanish_Extremadura

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01658220 Spanish_Aragon
0.01727214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01859634 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01886822 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01912211 Spanish_Valencia
0.01950795 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01976380 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02002125 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02011686 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02034951 Spanish_Castello
0.02040125 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02066841 Spanish_Lleida
0.02103761 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02141173 Spanish_Penedes
0.02180909 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02222558 Spanish_Girona
0.02226875 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02231845 Spanish_Navarra
0.02242829 Spanish_Alacant
0.02243566 French_South
0.02303929 Spanish_Galicia
0.02333029 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02374220 Spanish_Menorca
0.02394487 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02521941 Spanish_Baleares

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.4889% / 0.01488866
25.6 Sardinian
22.6 English_Cornwall
15.8 Spanish_Extremadura
12.6 Italian_Lombardy
12.2 Spanish_Cantabria
5.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
3.4 Berber_MAR_ERR
1.2 Greek_Thessaly
0.6 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.2 Papuan

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02079162 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02192742 Portuguese
0.02238044 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02260875 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02295115 Spanish_Galicia
0.02370174 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02405122 Spanish_Alacant
0.02428845 Spanish_Menorca
0.02466254 Spanish_Aragon
0.02475868 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02492985 Spanish_Baleares
0.02572328 Spanish_Murcia
0.02581022 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02596670 Spanish_Valencia
0.02602839 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02636974 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02654551 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02689580 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02721747 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02832324 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02844921 Spanish_Castello
0.02882528 Spanish_Navarra
0.02939702 Spanish_Girona
0.02990784 Spanish_Lleida
0.02992706 Spanish_Penedes


Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.5139% / 0.01513866
28.4 Basque_French
21.8 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
16.0 Spanish_Asturias
10.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
8.6 Icelandic
5.8 Italian_Lombardy
5.4 Spanish_Navarra
1.2 Lithuanian_PZ
1.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.6 Mari
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Mozabite

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02260360 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02398418 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02423971 Spanish_Aragon
0.02449390 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.02449677 Spanish_Navarra
0.02490709 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02595222 Spanish_Valencia
0.02656442 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02687353 French_South
0.02710932 Basque_French
0.02726255 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02729934 Spanish_Lleida
0.02740302 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02783087 Spanish_Asturias
0.02796191 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02844683 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02865081 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02872828 French_Occitanie
0.02880890 Spanish_Penedes
0.02918579 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02931567 Spanish_Castello
0.02947727 Spanish_Galicia
0.03006598 French_Auvergne
0.03017657 Spanish_Alacant
0.03031914 Spanish_Girona

[Luso]

No entiendo por qué Vahaduo se congela con los promedios de población modernos. Yo también estoy en mi computadora rápida.... alguém sabe por que?

[gixajo]

No, eso siempre ha estado ahi solo que han añadido mas. Creo que son todas las muestras de G25 que existen hasta el momento (las mismas que te pasa el polaco por email cuando te envía las coordenadas)

Supongo que habrá puesto algo en su blog sobre qué muestras ha añadido, habrá que irse enterando.

Creo que a mi padre no le salía Andalucía como primera distancia, pero la verdad es que no lo recuerdo bien.

[mitalit]

No entiendo por qué Vahaduo se congela con los promedios de población modernos. Yo también estoy en mi computadora rápida.... alguém sabe por que?

Son muchas coordenadas

[gixajo]

No entiendo por qué Vahaduo se congela con los promedios de población modernos. Yo también estoy en mi computadora rápida.... alguém sabe por que?

Yo no tengo ningún problema.

[gixajo]

Supongo que habrá puesto algo en su blog sobre qué muestras ha añadido, habrá que irse enterando.

Creo que a mi padre no le salía Andalucía como primera distancia, pero la verdad es que no lo recuerdo bien.

Ha cambiado las coordenadas del anterior datasheet, parece que no ha añadido otras a las ya existentes,, si no actualizado las que ya había, donde habrá muestras nuevas será en el datasheet de muestras individuales, no?

[gixajo]

Habrá que hacer un datasheet solo con todas las muestras españolas, y portuguesas, del antiguo y del nuevo, a ver si cambian o son las mismas, o cuales han cambiado.

Yo tengo varios datasheets antiguos guardados, ya lo miraré, pero hoy estoy reventado.

Con este calor, encima que casi no duermo apenas horas, las duermo fatal, y mañana suben más las temperaturas, y el Viernes más...

[Damião de Góis]

Não vejo nada de novo.

[gixajo]

Não vejo nada de novo.


All references have changed.Old and new ones together:

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01658208 Spanish_Aragon
0.01658220 Spanish_Aragon
0.01727214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01727214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01859632 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01859634 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01886758 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01886822 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01912200 Spanish_Valencia
0.01912211 Spanish_Valencia
0.01950795 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01950849 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01976380 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.01976409 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02002125 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02002144 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02011638 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02011686 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02034893 Spanish_Castello
0.02034951 Spanish_Castello
0.02040101 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02040125 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02066841 Spanish_Lleida
0.02066881 Spanish_Lleida
0.02103738 Spanish_Cataluna

[gixajo]

Não vejo nada de novo.

Muy poco, pero hay alguna diferencia, habrá añadido alguna muestra más a algunas medias.

Old&New Portuguese samples:


Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Portuguese,0.106174,0.144611,0.036007,-0.004432,0.042137,-0.004049,-0.003741,0.00276,0.025598,0.029741,-0.000734,0.007421,-0.012737,-0.011263,0.012557,-0.000398,-0.001132,-0.000887,-0.005762,-0.000245,0.001138,-0.002572,0.001301,-0.001133,-0.000105

Edit: Or maybe he has only rounded decimals...:picard1:

[gixajo]

Algunas han cambiado algo, otras solo ha redondeado algunas cifras de las coordenadas...

[gixajo]

Me aburría, así que toca hacer medias con las "nuevas" referencias.:D

No he querido usar las coordenadas vuestras, aunque podría haberlas cogido del hilo correspondiente, para ver si funcionan, yo las hago y que salga lo que tenga que salir.


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767

NorthWest_Iberia=Portuguese,+Spanish_Galicia,
North_Iberia=Spanish_Navarra,+Spanish_Pais_Vasco,+ Spanish_Cantabria,
NorthEast_Iberia=Spanish_Valencia,+Spanish_Catalun a,
SouthWest_Iberia,=Spanish_Andalucia,+Spanish_Extre madura,+Portuguese,
SouthEast_Iberia=Spanish_Murcia,+Spanish_Andalucia ,+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,

Solo las probé con mis padres y conmigo mismo, sobre todo me fijé en mis padres, ya que yo como tipo mezclado, no doy en ningún sitio concreto.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0099% / 0.02009929
83.0 SouthWest_Iberia
17.0 North_Iberia

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0105% / 0.02010543 | ADC: 0.25x
84.8 SouthWest_Iberia
15.2 North_Iberia
*********************************************
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0190% / 0.02018995
90.6 North_Iberia
9.4 NorthWest_Iberia

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0197% / 0.02019718 | ADC: 0.25x
92.6 North_Iberia
7.4 NorthWest_Iberia

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02067211 SouthWest_Iberia
0.02136692 SouthEast_Iberia
0.02189294 NorthWest_Iberia
0.02654867 NorthEast_Iberia
0.03106956 North_Iberia

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02035110 North_Iberia
0.02606574 NorthEast_Iberia
0.03072550 SouthEast_Iberia
0.03188690 NorthWest_Iberia
0.03330976 SouthWest_Iberia

[Damião de Góis]

Doesn't get more accurate than this for me:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.3529% / 0.02352900
99.6 SouthWest_Iberia
0.4 North_Iberia

You could also add Central Iberia = La Mancha + Castille y Leon + Extremadura

[gixajo]

Doesn't get more accurate than this for me:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.3529% / 0.02352900
99.6 SouthWest_Iberia
0.4 North_Iberia

You could also add Central Iberia = La Mancha + Castille y Leon + Extremadura

nah, I thought in adding a Central_Iberia reference, but it will unbalance everything.

Accurate in what sense, distances or that the result doesn´t show actually where in Portugal was your ancestry from? I don´t remember well where exactly in Portugal was your ancestry from, sorry.

Could you please run the model with only SouthWest and NorthWest references?


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233

[Damião de Góis]

nah, I thought in adding a Central_Iberia reference, but it will unbalance everything.

Accurate in what sense, distances or that the result doesn´t show actually where in Portugal was your ancestry from? I don´t remember well where exactly in Portugal was your ancestry from, sorry.

Could you please run the model with only SouthWest and NorthWest references?


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233


Accurate because i'm from Southwest Iberia. So it picked it up correctly.

My known ancestry is from Baixo Alentejo.

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.3529% / 0.02352919
100.0 SouthWest_Iberia

[gixajo]

Accurate because i'm from Southwest Iberia. So it picked it up correctly.

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.3529% / 0.02352919
100.0 SouthWest_Iberia

So perfect, that´s what I was looking for.

For my parents and you at least seems to work fine, i am more mixed so I cannot demonstrate anything with my results. Let´s see if more Portuguese and Spanish members try them.

Espero no ser muy pesado con mis tonterías.

My results:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7217% / 0.01721673
56.4 North_Iberia
23.2 SouthWest_Iberia
12.2 NorthWest_Iberia
8.2 NorthEast_Iberia

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7225% / 0.01722531 | ADC: 0.25x
54.2 North_Iberia
19.0 SouthWest_Iberia
14.0 NorthEast_Iberia
12.8 NorthWest_Iberia

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01926328 NorthEast_Iberia
0.02050104 North_Iberia
0.02251675 SouthEast_Iberia
0.02369903 NorthWest_Iberia
0.02453667 SouthWest_Iberia

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.9015% / 0.02901500
100.0 NorthWest_Iberia

[gixajo]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.9015% / 0.02901500
100.0 NorthWest_Iberia

Me parece que tú y yo no valemos como para ser ninguna referencia válida...

Ese es tu resultado con las 5 referencias o solo con las dos del oeste? Porque a mí me sale lo mismo solo con las dos del oeste.

[gixajo]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.9015% / 0.02901500
100.0 NorthWest_Iberia


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767

NorthWest_Iberia=Portuguese,+Spanish_Galicia,
North_Iberia=Spanish_Navarra,+Spanish_Pais_Vasco,+ Spanish_Cantabria,
NorthEast_Iberia=Spanish_Valencia,+Spanish_Catalun a,
SouthWest_Iberia,=Spanish_Andalucia,+Spanish_Extre madura,+Portuguese,
SouthEast_Iberia=Spanish_Murcia,+Spanish_Andalucia ,+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,

[Defcon2]

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1141% / 0.03114080
54.8 SouthWest_Iberia
45.2 SouthEast_Iberia

[gixajo]

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1141% / 0.03114080
54.8 SouthWest_Iberia
45.2 SouthEast_Iberia

Dime tu opinión, la leeré luego, que me tengo que ir corriendo, lo mismo para Spaniard.

[mitalit]

NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767

NorthWest_Iberia=Portuguese,+Spanish_Galicia,
North_Iberia=Spanish_Navarra,+Spanish_Pais_Vasco,+ Spanish_Cantabria,
NorthEast_Iberia=Spanish_Valencia,+Spanish_Catalun a,
SouthWest_Iberia,=Spanish_Andalucia,+Spanish_Extre madura,+Portuguese,
SouthEast_Iberia=Spanish_Murcia,+Spanish_Andalucia ,+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,
No tengo nada del noreste de la peninsula.

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.7786% / 0.02778593
55.2 NorthEast_Iberia
44.8 NorthWest_Iberia

Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.02860795 NorthEast_Iberia
0.02901500 NorthWest_Iberia
0.03118313 SouthEast_Iberia
0.03125481 SouthWest_Iberia
0.03673000 North_Iberia

[Defcon2]

Dime tu opinión, la leeré luego, que me tengo que ir corriendo, lo mismo para Spaniard.

He añadido más muestras pero a mis coordenadas no le aportan nada, el promedio marroquí no lo puse por el basque que cuando están juntos hace cosas muy extrañas.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1141% / 0.03114080
54.8 SouthWest_Iberia
45.2 SouthEast_Iberia


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767
Southeast_Central_French,0.1247933,0.1444619,0.044 3966,0.01208613,0.0412352,0.0032478,0.00081663,0.0 033472,0.01344057,0.0220716,-0.00320763,0.00704913,-0.0137166,-0.0100295,0.00833053,0.00240817,-0.00113307,0.00226363,0.00209063,-0.0005611,0.00235663,0.0029725,-0.00149253,0.00300903,0.00012297
Northwest_French,0.13178183,0.1386397,0.05247007,0 .0318828,0.04013817,0.0150943,0.00384553,0.0016089 ,0.00689857,0.00931887,-0.0056259,0.00509383,-0.01065307,-0.00892407,0.0154186,0.00534807,-0.00524437,0.0002505,-0.00105483,0.00034073,0.00612677,0.00291067,-0.00097933,0.00690943,-0.0017563
Northeast_French,0.12758593,0.1407834,0.05070187,0 .0240092,0.0391993,0.0090353,0.0022717,0.0049162,0 .00894227,0.01362317,-0.00477473,0.00514113,-0.01107053,-0.00757887,0.0111764,0.00389083,-0.00377503,0.0031099,0.00334863,-0.000221,0.00236577,0.00208527,-0.0013756,0.00858253,-0.00073497
North_Italy,0.1233471,0.14700055,0.03081834,-0.00690665,0.0339204,-0.00273766,0.00223906,0.0016094,0.00958434,0.02398 311,-0.00328104,0.00564268,-0.0121582,-0.00397185,-0.00091271,-0.00268889,-0.00011883,0.00089686,0.00360974,-0.00288958,-0.00114275,0.001513,-0.0008338,0.0032579,-0.00057853
South_Italy,0.10566103,0.14688977,-0.0062129,-0.04125893,0.01543405,-0.01391903,-0.00089583,-0.00134823,0.00612613,0.0212079,0.00195132,0.00317 238,-0.00541833,0.00045687,-0.00693987,-0.00353285,0.00206895,-0.00003228,0.00290978,-0.00455928,-0.00193523,0.001194,-0.00002353,0.00144457,0.0001378


Southeast_Central_French = Occitanie + Auvergne.
Northwest_French = Bretaña + Seine Maritime.
Northeast_French = Pas de Calais + Alsace + Paris + French Nord.
North_Italy = Supongo que todos los promedios regionales del norte de Italia.
South_Italy = me parece que Apulia + Basilicata (o similar) + Sicilia.

[Damião de Góis]

From Defcon2's spreadsheet:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.2692% / 0.02269182
84.6 SouthWest_Iberia
12.8 Northeast_French
2.6 South_Italy

[gixajo]

No tengo nada del noreste de la peninsula.



Ni yo...pero es lo que ;)hay.

[mitalit]

Ni yo...pero es lo que ;)hay.

Pero en mi caso es lo que mas me da, mi review es mala, le doy un treh

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.4386% / 0.02438638
53.2 NorthWest_Iberia
35.4 Southeast_Central_French
8.8 Northeast_French
2.6 North_Italy

[gixajo]

He añadido más muestras pero a mis coordenadas no le aportan nada, el promedio marroquí no lo puse por el basque que cuando están juntos hace cosas muy extrañas.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1141% / 0.03114080
54.8 SouthWest_Iberia
45.2 SouthEast_Iberia


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767
Southeast_Central_French,0.1247933,0.1444619,0.044 3966,0.01208613,0.0412352,0.0032478,0.00081663,0.0 033472,0.01344057,0.0220716,-0.00320763,0.00704913,-0.0137166,-0.0100295,0.00833053,0.00240817,-0.00113307,0.00226363,0.00209063,-0.0005611,0.00235663,0.0029725,-0.00149253,0.00300903,0.00012297
Northwest_French,0.13178183,0.1386397,0.05247007,0 .0318828,0.04013817,0.0150943,0.00384553,0.0016089 ,0.00689857,0.00931887,-0.0056259,0.00509383,-0.01065307,-0.00892407,0.0154186,0.00534807,-0.00524437,0.0002505,-0.00105483,0.00034073,0.00612677,0.00291067,-0.00097933,0.00690943,-0.0017563
Northeast_French,0.12758593,0.1407834,0.05070187,0 .0240092,0.0391993,0.0090353,0.0022717,0.0049162,0 .00894227,0.01362317,-0.00477473,0.00514113,-0.01107053,-0.00757887,0.0111764,0.00389083,-0.00377503,0.0031099,0.00334863,-0.000221,0.00236577,0.00208527,-0.0013756,0.00858253,-0.00073497
North_Italy,0.1233471,0.14700055,0.03081834,-0.00690665,0.0339204,-0.00273766,0.00223906,0.0016094,0.00958434,0.02398 311,-0.00328104,0.00564268,-0.0121582,-0.00397185,-0.00091271,-0.00268889,-0.00011883,0.00089686,0.00360974,-0.00288958,-0.00114275,0.001513,-0.0008338,0.0032579,-0.00057853
South_Italy,0.10566103,0.14688977,-0.0062129,-0.04125893,0.01543405,-0.01391903,-0.00089583,-0.00134823,0.00612613,0.0212079,0.00195132,0.00317 238,-0.00541833,0.00045687,-0.00693987,-0.00353285,0.00206895,-0.00003228,0.00290978,-0.00455928,-0.00193523,0.001194,-0.00002353,0.00144457,0.0001378


Southeast_Central_French = Occitanie + Auvergne.
Northwest_French = Bretaña + Seine Maritime.
Northeast_French = Pas de Calais + Alsace + Paris + French Nord.
North_Italy = Supongo que todos los promedios regionales del norte de Italia.
South_Italy = me parece que Apulia + Basilicata (o similar) + Sicilia.

Son hechos con el antiguo spreadsheet o el moderno? Esos no he mirado si han cambiado.

Yo tengo las medias europeas que hice con el viejo, hay un poco de todo, pero no creo que cambia gran cosa.


Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Armenian,0.10509315,0.13768585,-0.05823490,-0.06060000,-0.03175850,-0.01561800,0.00589615,-0.00656435,-0.03826240,-0.00506190,0.00201840,0.00339870,-0.00773695,0.00172020,-0.00649520,-0.00460265,0.00474855,0.00030305,0.00022010,0.0008 9650,0.00294790,0.00317855,-0.00264765,-0.00425920,0.00036025
Balkan,0.12638157,0.13520087,0.04103063,0.01803417 ,0.03150327,0.00620067,0.00450420,0.00621514,0.001 42483,0.00096587,-0.00188910,-0.00109397,0.00282463,0.01096387,-0.01073077,-0.00273577,0.00497627,-0.00082773,0.00328490,-0.00291803,-0.00656340,-0.00225870,0.00450270,0.00035350,-0.00131333
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865
British_Islands:English,0.13102565,0.13839775,0.06 157145,0.04359780,0.04056560,0.01657980,0.00420955 ,0.00606750,0.00587280,0.00632250,-0.00470165,0.00604745,-0.01316735,-0.01029915,0.02068505,0.00336205,-0.01144795,0.00310430,0.00372315,0.00310190,0.0053 7285,0.00363740,-0.00201385,0.01408045,0.00036125
British_Islands:Irish/Scottish/Welsh,0.13228260,0.13575633,0.06116163,0.04610647, 0.03934567,0.01760073,0.00328790,0.00544713,0.0043 2753,0.00329560,-0.00566140,0.00552183,-0.01298923,-0.01229210,0.02298907,0.00455140,-0.01034353,0.00244507,0.00212870,0.00159910,0.0047 9467,0.00279477,-0.00034153,0.01318237,0.00036833
Chinese,0.02574093,-0.44672400,0.00416373,-0.06463350,0.05351190,0.02476773,0.00551737,0.0020 7600,-0.01316077,0.00126697,-0.07530797,-0.01189107,0.01126457,-0.00655843,-0.00550930,0.00257083,0.00261210,0.00151403,0.0006 5540,-0.00996537,0.01280200,0.00725607,0.01069883,-0.00123393,-0.00250313
France:NEast,0.12779320,0.14045735,0.05083715,0.02 401875,0.03834760,0.00890055,0.00200830,0.00464710 ,0.00761230,0.01134780,-0.00330905,0.00430565,-0.01015255,-0.00617610,0.00987985,0.00280470,-0.00474980,0.00233265,0.00366885,0.00015740,0.0024 4830,0.00134055,-0.00144715,0.00730355,-0.00014990
France:NWest,0.13178183,0.13863970,0.05247007,0.03 188280,0.04013817,0.01509430,0.00384553,0.00160890 ,0.00689857,0.00931887,-0.00562590,0.00509383,-0.01065307,-0.00892407,0.01541860,0.00534807,-0.00524437,0.00025050,-0.00105483,0.00034073,0.00612677,0.00291067,-0.00097933,0.00690943,-0.00175630
France:SEast,0.12448190,0.14436455,0.04288520,0.01 163330,0.04011650,0.00287300,0.00139465,0.00376440 ,0.01245705,0.02202135,-0.00357850,0.00689640,-0.01359060,-0.01020960,0.00834635,0.00287075,-0.00130605,0.00264705,0.00159965,-0.00073515,0.00260600,0.00259025,-0.00109765,0.00360540,0.00022880
French:Center,0.12629375,0.14304605,0.04892535,0.0 1849095,0.04218765,0.00665110,0.00122955,0.0039836 0,0.01350490,0.02017300,-0.00508600,0.00708335,-0.01343755,-0.01002685,0.01103420,0.00377305,-0.00130630,0.00308060,0.00289040,-0.00059540,0.00202930,0.00365585,-0.00175740,0.00647840,-0.00099690
Georgian_Average,0.10835960,0.13506550,-0.05811440,-0.05122780,-0.03449870,-0.00872940,0.01015250,-0.00519230,-0.05675520,-0.01525330,0.00121790,0.01150970,-0.02157060,0.00567000,-0.00108580,-0.02031270,0.00988310,-0.00392740,-0.00624710,0.01288120,0.00893410,0.00169400,-0.00067780,-0.00788050,-0.00144900
German,0.12967560,0.13619240,0.05618755,0.03572190 ,0.03738955,0.01410635,0.00564820,0.00601530,0.003 17670,0.00231755,-0.00414570,0.00157895,-0.00333240,0.00012160,0.00450770,0.00349405,-0.00152525,0.00122655,0.00327310,0.00127880,0.0010 7455,-0.00032490,0.00086965,0.00563395,-0.00037550
Greek,0.11140840,0.14591180,-0.00812253,-0.04104343,0.00871315,-0.01319430,0.00090083,-0.00172838,-0.00075845,0.01704973,0.00310060,0.00279748,-0.00398438,0.00354085,-0.00934730,-0.00112803,0.00415830,0.00021075,0.00356465,-0.00389083,-0.00505928,0.00134385,0.00106483,0.00079573,-0.00272183
NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767
Iberian_Center,0.11164140,0.14594010,0.04041465,-0.00269165,0.04294360,-0.00147585,-0.00171355,0.00317290,0.02653685,0.03157990,-0.00221925,0.00826750,-0.01368300,-0.01220250,0.01127050,-0.00380075,-0.00640495,-0.00096065,-0.00232535,-0.00149035,0.00287500,0.00028850,0.00013350,-0.00322815,-0.00191590
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.0299 5450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300
Italian:Center,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
Italian:South,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.0031 8490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.0000 9691
Italian:NWest,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00310690,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917
Italian:NEast,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Iranic,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
MiddleEast,0.05685165,0.12859275,-0.04813445,-0.06769060,-0.01581660,-0.02342100,-0.00406920,-0.00286015,0.00661045,-0.00050155,0.00442385,-0.00707060,0.01346310,-0.00017820,-0.00193140,0.00745640,-0.00185565,0.00011665,0.00003315,0.00229120,0.0015 7940,0.00151840,-0.00176365,0.00088215,-0.00121830
Palestinian/Jewish,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450
Scandinavian,0.13387755,0.12812600,0.07000080,0.05 487155,0.03977280,0.02123570,0.00562880,0.00779640 ,0.00531760,-0.00310225,-0.00426855,0.00259765,-0.00608450,-0.00776585,0.01803785,0.00670525,-0.00632675,0.00230450,0.00208300,0.00281375,0.0063 5490,0.00392150,0.00270265,0.01419580,0.00005980
Slav,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665,0 .03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500

Estas son las otras referencias, dejé la Iberian_Centre que tenía hecha con las antiguas, y añadí las 5 ibéricas del nuevo datasheet.

Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Armenian=Armenian,+Armenian_Hemsheni
Balkan,=Romanian,+Croatian,+Serbian,
Baltic=Latvian+Estonian
Berber=MAR_ERR,+MAR_TIZ,+Tunisia_Chen,+Tunisia_Sen ,
Britsh_Islands:English=English+Cornwall
British_Islands:Irish/Scottish/Welsh=Irish,+Scottish,+Welsh
Chinese:Han,=Han_Shandong,+Han_Shanghai,+Han_Henan ,
French:Center=Paris+Auvergne
France:NEast=French_Nord+French_Alsace,
France:NWest=French_Brittany,+French_Pas-de-Calais,+French_Seine-Maritime,
France:SEast=French_Provence,+French_Occitanie,
Georgian=Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz
German=German+Austrian
Greek=(Kos+Cyprus)+Thessaly
Iberian:Center=CastillaYLeón+CastillaLaMancha
India,=Gujar_India,+Uttar_Pradesh,+Gujarati,
Iranian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Lor,
Italian:Center= Italian_Marche,+Italian_Lazio,+Italian_Tuscany,+It alian_Umbria
Italian:South,=Italian_Apulia,+Italian_Basilicata, +Italian_Campania,+Sicilian_Average(East+West)
Italian:Nwest=,Italian_Aosta_Valley,+Italian_Piedm ont,+Italian_Liguria,
Italian:NEast=,Italian_Veneto,+Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,+Italian_Northeast,
MiddleEast,=Jordanian,+Syrian
Palestinian/Jewish=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,)+Pa lestinian_Beit_Sahour
Scandinavian,=Norwegian,+Swedish,
Slavic=Ukrainian+Polish
Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,


Edit:Faltan aún SSA , Amerindian etc, pero llevaba tiempo sin hacer medias hasta hoy.

[gixajo]

He añadido más muestras pero a mis coordenadas no le aportan nada, el promedio marroquí no lo puse por el basque que cuando están juntos hace cosas muy extrañas.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1141% / 0.03114080
54.8 SouthWest_Iberia
45.2 SouthEast_Iberia


NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00 441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900, 0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767
Southeast_Central_French,0.1247933,0.1444619,0.044 3966,0.01208613,0.0412352,0.0032478,0.00081663,0.0 033472,0.01344057,0.0220716,-0.00320763,0.00704913,-0.0137166,-0.0100295,0.00833053,0.00240817,-0.00113307,0.00226363,0.00209063,-0.0005611,0.00235663,0.0029725,-0.00149253,0.00300903,0.00012297
Northwest_French,0.13178183,0.1386397,0.05247007,0 .0318828,0.04013817,0.0150943,0.00384553,0.0016089 ,0.00689857,0.00931887,-0.0056259,0.00509383,-0.01065307,-0.00892407,0.0154186,0.00534807,-0.00524437,0.0002505,-0.00105483,0.00034073,0.00612677,0.00291067,-0.00097933,0.00690943,-0.0017563
Northeast_French,0.12758593,0.1407834,0.05070187,0 .0240092,0.0391993,0.0090353,0.0022717,0.0049162,0 .00894227,0.01362317,-0.00477473,0.00514113,-0.01107053,-0.00757887,0.0111764,0.00389083,-0.00377503,0.0031099,0.00334863,-0.000221,0.00236577,0.00208527,-0.0013756,0.00858253,-0.00073497
North_Italy,0.1233471,0.14700055,0.03081834,-0.00690665,0.0339204,-0.00273766,0.00223906,0.0016094,0.00958434,0.02398 311,-0.00328104,0.00564268,-0.0121582,-0.00397185,-0.00091271,-0.00268889,-0.00011883,0.00089686,0.00360974,-0.00288958,-0.00114275,0.001513,-0.0008338,0.0032579,-0.00057853
South_Italy,0.10566103,0.14688977,-0.0062129,-0.04125893,0.01543405,-0.01391903,-0.00089583,-0.00134823,0.00612613,0.0212079,0.00195132,0.00317 238,-0.00541833,0.00045687,-0.00693987,-0.00353285,0.00206895,-0.00003228,0.00290978,-0.00455928,-0.00193523,0.001194,-0.00002353,0.00144457,0.0001378


Southeast_Central_French = Occitanie + Auvergne.
Northwest_French = Bretaña + Seine Maritime.
Northeast_French = Pas de Calais + Alsace + Paris + French Nord.
North_Italy = Supongo que todos los promedios regionales del norte de Italia.
South_Italy = me parece que Apulia + Basilicata (o similar) + Sicilia.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6573% / 0.01657294
50.4 North_Iberia
35.4 SouthWest_Iberia
10.0 Southeast_Central_French
4.0 Northwest_French
0.2 North_Italy

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.9697% / 0.01969661
64.6 SouthWest_Iberia
28.2 North_Iberia
7.2 South_Italy

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.8940% / 0.01893953
78.6 North_Iberia
13.4 Northwest_French
8.0 SouthWest_Iberia

[Defcon2]

Son hechos con el antiguo spreadsheet o el moderno? Esos no he mirado si han cambiado.

Yo tengo las medias europeas que hice con el viejo, hay un poco de todo, pero no creo que cambia gran cosa.


Son promedios antiguos pero no creo que cambie mucho.

[gixajo]

Pero en mi caso es lo que mas me da, mi review es mala, le doy un treh

Prueba el otro, tiene Irish....:rolleyes:

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.2885% / 0.02288537
36.2 French:Center
28.0 NorthWest_Iberia
17.2 Italian:NWest
12.0 NorthEast_Iberia
3.2 British_Islands:Irish/Scottish/Welsh
2.2 Berber
1.0 Chinese
0.2 Georgian_Average

[mitalit]

Prueba el otro, tiene Irish....:rolleyes:

Pues aun peor jajaja

[mitalit]

El g25 esta bien para conocer componentes antiguos y para saber que compartes con poblaciones modernas pero si quieres saber tus origenes "recientes" 23andme lo clava y hasta ahora no veo que ninguna compañía sea tan buena.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6279% / 0.01627888
53.6 North_Iberia
21.4 SouthWest_Iberia
16.2 Iberian:Center
5.2 Italian:NEast
3.6 Slav

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6359% / 0.01635874 | ADC: 0.25x
48.8 North_Iberia
24.8 Iberian:Center
16.0 SouthWest_Iberia
5.4 French:Center
3.6 Italian:NEast
1.4 Slav
***************************************
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.8948% / 0.01894789
63.8 North_Iberia
13.2 Italian:Center
10.6 Italian:NEast
6.2 Berber
6.2 SouthWest_Iberia

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.9728% / 0.01972773 | ADC: 0.25x
74.4 SouthWest_Iberia
19.6 North_Iberia
5.8 Italian:Center
0.2 Iberian:Center
**************************************
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7384% / 0.01738427
83.4 North_Iberia
7.4 British_Islands:English
4.4 Baltic
2.8 Iberian:Center
2.0 Berber

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7673% / 0.01767324 | ADC: 0.25x
73.6 North_Iberia
17.2 Iberian:Center
6.2 British_Islands:English
3.0 Baltic

[gixajo]

El g25 esta bien para conocer componentes antiguos y para saber que compartes con poblaciones modernas pero si quieres saber tus origenes "recientes" 23andme lo clava y hasta ahora no veo que ninguna compañía sea tan buena.

Pero déjame divertirme, aguafiestas!!!

[mitalit]

Pero déjame divertirme, aguafiestas!!!

Perdón, hablaba la envidia. La calculadora esta de p madre, lo clava!

[Defcon2]

Indo-Chino berbérico.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.6466% / 0.02646649
44.2 North_Iberia
39.4 Iberian_Center
7.6 Berber
5.2 Italian
3.2 India
0.4 Chinese


El g25 esta bien para conocer componentes antiguos y para saber que compartes con poblaciones modernas pero si quieres saber tus origenes "recientes" 23andme lo clava y hasta ahora no veo que ninguna compañía sea tan buena.

Yo no soy un 15% francés como afirma 23andme...

[Damião de Góis]

Distance isn't bad

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.8755% / 0.01875510
65.0 North_Iberia
12.0 British_Islands
10.0 Berber
5.0 Slav
4.2 Iranic
3.0 Georgian_Average
0.8 Armenian

[mitalit]

Indo-Chino berbérico.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.6466% / 0.02646649
44.2 North_Iberia
39.4 Iberian_Center
7.6 Berber
5.2 Italian
3.2 India
0.4 Chinese



Yo no soy un 15% francés como afirma 23andme...
Creo que con la gente de tu chip tiende a exagerar los porcentajes, me refiero al 23andme actual

[mitalit]

Me parece que en la descripción que 23andme hace de españa exagera la genética norteafricana aunque entiendo que lo hace porque incluye el porcentaje norteafricano a españa
The genetic landscape of the Iberian Peninsula – represented today by the people of Spain and Portugal – was influenced by several Mediterranean civilizations, including 800 years of Arabic North African rule. Now, a small North African genetic signature is present in Iberian DNA, and over eight percent of Spanish words carry Arabic origins. Conquistadors from Portugal and Spain colonized parts of Africa, Oceania, and the Americas, and DNA signatures of Iberian ancestry are now relatively common in people of Latin American descent.

[Rocinante]

Me parece que en la descripción que 23andme hace de españa exagera la genética norteafricana aunque entiendo que lo hace porque incluye el porcentaje norteafricano a españa
The genetic landscape of the Iberian Peninsula – represented today by the people of Spain and Portugal – was influenced by several Mediterranean civilizations, including 800 years of Arabic North African rule. Now, a small North African genetic signature is present in Iberian DNA, and over eight percent of Spanish words carry Arabic origins. Conquistadors from Portugal and Spain colonized parts of Africa, Oceania, and the Americas, and DNA signatures of Iberian ancestry are now relatively common in people of Latin American descent.

Es que se supone que cuando se habla de componente español, viene incluido todo, incluso el norafricano que nosotros entendemos por iberomaurusian. Ya lo que es fuera de la regla, dependiendo que SNPs ellos tengan en consideracion como español o norafricano, va a extrapolarse. Por eso es que modelarse con componentes antiguos, en mi opinion personal, es mas certero para saber de verdad de que esta hecho una poblacion determinada.

[PT Tagus]

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.9552% / 0.01955249
48.8 Iberian_Center
17.4 North_Iberia
13.8 British_Islands
11.0 Berber
4.4 MiddleEast
2.0 Arabian
1.6 Georgian_Average
1.0 Italian

[mitalit]

Es que se supone que cuando se habla de componente español, viene incluido todo, incluso el norafricano que nosotros entendemos por iberomaurusian. Ya lo que es fuera de la regla, dependiendo que SNPs ellos tengan en consideracion como español o norafricano, va a extrapolarse. Por eso es que modelarse con componentes antiguos, en mi opinion personal, es mas certero para saber de verdad de que esta hecho una poblacion determinada.

Tienes razón pero para definir la genética española solo habla de las civilizaciones mediterráneas y en ellas recalca el norte de áfrica. Me parece excesivo que de 3 lineas 2 sean para hablar de los norteafricanos y la otra para explicar que hay mucha genética española fuera de españa

[gixajo]

Modelo simplificado, con una sola referencia Italian, French e Iberian, todos del centro, y un SSA y Amerindian provisionales cogidos al azar.


Amerindian,0.056229,-0.269522,0.1111,0.087469,-0.09688,-0.016957,-0.273881,-0.327263,-0.01129,-0.012392,-0.004027,-0.002008,-0.002438,0.021937,-0.003664,0.008221,0.007745,-0.001824,-2.5e-05,0.000425,-0.001073,0.009224,0.000468,0.003519,-0.002155
Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Armenian,0.10509315,0.13768585,-0.05823490,-0.06060000,-0.03175850,-0.01561800,0.00589615,-0.00656435,-0.03826240,-0.00506190,0.00201840,0.00339870,-0.00773695,0.00172020,-0.00649520,-0.00460265,0.00474855,0.00030305,0.00022010,0.0008 9650,0.00294790,0.00317855,-0.00264765,-0.00425920,0.00036025
Balkan,0.12638157,0.13520087,0.04103063,0.01803417 ,0.03150327,0.00620067,0.00450420,0.00621514,0.001 42483,0.00096587,-0.00188910,-0.00109397,0.00282463,0.01096387,-0.01073077,-0.00273577,0.00497627,-0.00082773,0.00328490,-0.00291803,-0.00656340,-0.00225870,0.00450270,0.00035350,-0.00131333
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865
English,0.13102565,0.13839775,0.06157145,0.0435978 0,0.04056560,0.01657980,0.00420955,0.00606750,0.00 587280,0.00632250,-0.00470165,0.00604745,-0.01316735,-0.01029915,0.02068505,0.00336205,-0.01144795,0.00310430,0.00372315,0.00310190,0.0053 7285,0.00363740,-0.00201385,0.01408045,0.00036125
Irish/Scottish/Welsh,0.13228260,0.13575633,0.06116163,0.04610647, 0.03934567,0.01760073,0.00328790,0.00544713,0.0043 2753,0.00329560,-0.00566140,0.00552183,-0.01298923,-0.01229210,0.02298907,0.00455140,-0.01034353,0.00244507,0.00212870,0.00159910,0.0047 9467,0.00279477,-0.00034153,0.01318237,0.00036833
Chinese,0.02574093,-0.44672400,0.00416373,-0.06463350,0.05351190,0.02476773,0.00551737,0.0020 7600,-0.01316077,0.00126697,-0.07530797,-0.01189107,0.01126457,-0.00655843,-0.00550930,0.00257083,0.00261210,0.00151403,0.0006 5540,-0.00996537,0.01280200,0.00725607,0.01069883,-0.00123393,-0.00250313
French:Center,0.12629375,0.14304605,0.04892535,0.0 1849095,0.04218765,0.00665110,0.00122955,0.0039836 0,0.01350490,0.02017300,-0.00508600,0.00708335,-0.01343755,-0.01002685,0.01103420,0.00377305,-0.00130630,0.00308060,0.00289040,-0.00059540,0.00202930,0.00365585,-0.00175740,0.00647840,-0.00099690
Georgian,0.10835960,0.13506550,-0.05811440,-0.05122780,-0.03449870,-0.00872940,0.01015250,-0.00519230,-0.05675520,-0.01525330,0.00121790,0.01150970,-0.02157060,0.00567000,-0.00108580,-0.02031270,0.00988310,-0.00392740,-0.00624710,0.01288120,0.00893410,0.00169400,-0.00067780,-0.00788050,-0.00144900
German,0.12967560,0.13619240,0.05618755,0.03572190 ,0.03738955,0.01410635,0.00564820,0.00601530,0.003 17670,0.00231755,-0.00414570,0.00157895,-0.00333240,0.00012160,0.00450770,0.00349405,-0.00152525,0.00122655,0.00327310,0.00127880,0.0010 7455,-0.00032490,0.00086965,0.00563395,-0.00037550
Greek,0.11140840,0.14591180,-0.00812253,-0.04104343,0.00871315,-0.01319430,0.00090083,-0.00172838,-0.00075845,0.01704973,0.00310060,0.00279748,-0.00398438,0.00354085,-0.00934730,-0.00112803,0.00415830,0.00021075,0.00356465,-0.00389083,-0.00505928,0.00134385,0.00106483,0.00079573,-0.00272183
Iberian:Center,0.11164140,0.14594010,0.04041465,-0.00269165,0.04294360,-0.00147585,-0.00171355,0.00317290,0.02653685,0.03157990,-0.00221925,0.00826750,-0.01368300,-0.01220250,0.01127050,-0.00380075,-0.00640495,-0.00096065,-0.00232535,-0.00149035,0.00287500,0.00028850,0.00013350,-0.00322815,-0.00191590
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.0299 5450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300
Italian:Center,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
Iranic,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
MiddleEast,0.05685165,0.12859275,-0.04813445,-0.06769060,-0.01581660,-0.02342100,-0.00406920,-0.00286015,0.00661045,-0.00050155,0.00442385,-0.00707060,0.01346310,-0.00017820,-0.00193140,0.00745640,-0.00185565,0.00011665,0.00003315,0.00229120,0.0015 7940,0.00151840,-0.00176365,0.00088215,-0.00121830
Palestinian/Jewish,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450
Scandinavian,0.13387755,0.12812600,0.07000080,0.05 487155,0.03977280,0.02123570,0.00562880,0.00779640 ,0.00531760,-0.00310225,-0.00426855,0.00259765,-0.00608450,-0.00776585,0.01803785,0.00670525,-0.00632675,0.00230450,0.00208300,0.00281375,0.0063 5490,0.00392150,0.00270265,0.01419580,0.00005980
Slav,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665,0 .03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
SSA,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.01179,0.002,0.00753,-0.012338,0.026537,0.002966,-0.02442,-0.002355,0.013338,-0.032036,0.003303,-0.035287,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.004371,-0.015272,0.006003,0.00287,-0.005132,-0.00302,0.000361,0.002215
Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500

Amerindian=Quechua
Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Armenian=Armenian,+Armenian_Hemsheni
Balkan,=Romanian,+Croatian,+Serbian,
Baltic=Latvian+Estonian
Berber=MAR_ERR,+MAR_TIZ,+Tunisia_Chen,+Tunisia_Sen ,
English=English+Cornwall
Irish/Scottish/Welsh=Irish,+Scottish,+Welsh
Chinese:Han,=Han_Shandong,+Han_Shanghai,+Han_Henan ,
French:Center=Paris+Auvergne
Georgian=Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz
German=German+Austrian
Greek=(Kos+Cyprus)+Thessaly
Iberian:Center=CastillaYLeón+CastillaLaMancha
India,=Gujar_India,+Uttar_Pradesh,+Gujarati,
Iranian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Lor,
Italian:Center= Italian_Marche,+Italian_Lazio,+Italian_Tuscany,+It alian_Umbria
MiddleEast,=Jordanian,+Syrian
Palestinian/Jewish=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,)+Pa lestinian_Beit_Sahour
Scandinavian,=Norwegian,+Swedish,
Slavic=Ukrainian+Polish
SSA=Bantu_Kenya,
Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8425% / 0.01842506
76.4 Iberian
23.6 French

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1002% / 0.02100164
89.0 Iberian
9.6 Italian
1.4 Berber

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2079% / 0.02207896
78.4 Iberian
21.6 English

[gixajo]

Bueno, paro ya...

[Rocinante]

Tienes razón pero para definir la genética española solo habla de las civilizaciones mediterráneas y en ellas recalca el norte de áfrica. Me parece excesivo que de 3 lineas 2 sean para hablar de los norteafricanos y la otra para explicar que hay mucha genética española fuera de españa

Lo es, sin lugar a dudas. Ese es el problema de las compañias geneticas comunes, que sus descripciones son exotismo puro cuando no se trata de describir una poblacion del Noroeste/Oeste de Europa, los de LivingDNA son iguales, ni hablar de MyHeritage y FTDNA. Por eso, siempre ha sido mejor las herramientas por academicos que hay por fuera de estas empresas y que leen los SNPs como son. Al menos estas compañias nos hacen el gran favor de leernos el ADN y darnos nuestros putos SNPs.

[Rocinante]

Distance: 2.8784% / 0.02878368 | ADC: 0.25x
36.0 French
31.8 Italian
16.8 Iberian
8.8 Berber
6.6 Balkan

Que me pongan gabacho, moro y albanes antes que me buena tajada de macho ibero... Pues nada tio, tambien le doy un trreh.

[mitalit]

Lo es, sin lugar a dudas. Ese es el problema de las compañias geneticas comunes, que sus descripciones son exotismo puro cuando no se trata de describir una poblacion del Noroeste/Oeste de Europa, los de LivingDNA son iguales, ni hablar de MyHeritage y FTDNA. Por eso, siempre ha sido mejor las herramientas por academicos que hay por fuera de estas empresas y que leen los SNPs como son. Al menos estas compañias nos hacen el gran favor de leernos el ADN y darnos nuestros putos SNPs.

Pero comparala con la de italia, muchisimo mas epica.

The famously boot-shaped Italian peninsula has been home to modern humans for over 30,000 years. In the early Middle Ages, Germanic invaders brought about the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and a northern European genetic signature persists in modern Italians to this day. This influence is strongest in the north, while southern Italians share a rich genetic heritage with island Greeks. Over the millennia, a number of migrations from around the Mediterranean brought North African and Western Asian ancestry to Italy as well.

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.3739% / 0.02373857
61.0 French
29.8 Iberian
4.0 Berber
2.4 Georgian
2.0 Italian
0.8 Chinese

[Rocinante]

Pero comparala con la de italia, muchisimo mas epica.

The famously boot-shaped Italian peninsula has been home to modern humans for over 30,000 years. In the early Middle Ages, Germanic invaders brought about the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and a northern European genetic signature persists in modern Italians to this day. This influence is strongest in the north, while southern Italians share a rich genetic heritage with island Greeks. Over the millennia, a number of migrations from around the Mediterranean brought North African and Western Asian ancestry to Italy as well.


LOL, 2 lineas hablando de lo sueco que son algunos italianos, 1 hablando de que algunos son medio griegos, y media linea hablando que son medio moros y medio arabes. Tan facil que era hablar de italicos, etruscos y romanos...

[BirdMan]

Really cool thread - can't believe I'm just seeing it.

Does anyone know about the ydna haplogroup I1 in Spain?

More than half of my ancestry comes from Spanish immigrants post 1850, so I know what regions they came from (principally Baleares, Asturias, and Galicia).

I'm less clear on where my paternal lineage comes from and would like to find out. I assumed it was likely Canarian or Andalusian, because of the surnames and the demographics of Spanish settlement in Puerto Rico.

But I was surprised to discover my ydna haplogroup was I1, specifically I-L1237 according to FTDNA. Does this point to any specific region of Spain? Or the visigothic invasion? Or Dutch settlement in Canarias?

From my (limited) research it looks like I1 is fairly uncommon in Spain. It seems to be more common on Puerto Rico (around 5% according to the study I saw), so maybe there was some sort of founder effect?

[Luso]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.1450% / 0.02144983
89.4 Iberian
5.4 Berber
2.8 Baltic
1.4 Balkan
1.0 SSA

[mitalit]

Greek & Balkan
The Balkan Peninsula is nestled in the southeastern corner of Europe and serves as the geographic and genetic crossroads between Europe and western Asia. Despite broad cultural and religious diversity, the people of the Balkans are genetically similar to one another, descending from early Mediterranean and Slavic peoples. Island Greeks lack this ancestral Slavic influence and are similar to southern Italians.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.8551% / 0.01855093
53.6 Iberian_Center
25.8 North_Iberia
11.2 Balkan
6.4 Berber
2.4 Iranic
0.6 Georgian_Average



Distance to: Viriato_scaled
0.02230451 SouthWest_Iberia
0.02233514 Iberian_Center
0.02283107 NorthWest_Iberia
0.02338472 SouthEast_Iberia
0.02822350 NorthEast_Iberia
0.03669507 Italian:NWest
0.03707432 North_Iberia
0.04092720 Italian:NEast
0.04113532 France:SEast
0.04878312 French:Center
0.05582020 Italian:Center
0.05585597 France:NEast
0.06505243 Balkan
0.06594180 France:NWest
0.07193488 German
0.07210913 Italian:South
0.07899204 British_Islands:English
0.08066169 Greek
0.08227906 British_Islands:Irish/Scottish/Welsh
0.09603999 Scandinavian
0.11117618 Slav
0.14022447 Palestinian/Jewish
0.14238400 MiddleEast
0.14871605 Baltic
0.15362818 Armenian

[gixajo]

Target: Xabier_scaled



[CODE]Target: Viriato_scaled
]



Distance: 2.8784% / 0.02878368 | ADC: 0.25x
.

Pero ese es el resultado del modelo simplificado? El segundo que posteé.

Este:


Amerindian,0.056229,-0.269522,0.1111,0.087469,-0.09688,-0.016957,-0.273881,-0.327263,-0.01129,-0.012392,-0.004027,-0.002008,-0.002438,0.021937,-0.003664,0.008221,0.007745,-0.001824,-2.5e-05,0.000425,-0.001073,0.009224,0.000468,0.003519,-0.002155
Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Armenian,0.10509315,0.13768585,-0.05823490,-0.06060000,-0.03175850,-0.01561800,0.00589615,-0.00656435,-0.03826240,-0.00506190,0.00201840,0.00339870,-0.00773695,0.00172020,-0.00649520,-0.00460265,0.00474855,0.00030305,0.00022010,0.0008 9650,0.00294790,0.00317855,-0.00264765,-0.00425920,0.00036025
Balkan,0.12638157,0.13520087,0.04103063,0.01803417 ,0.03150327,0.00620067,0.00450420,0.00621514,0.001 42483,0.00096587,-0.00188910,-0.00109397,0.00282463,0.01096387,-0.01073077,-0.00273577,0.00497627,-0.00082773,0.00328490,-0.00291803,-0.00656340,-0.00225870,0.00450270,0.00035350,-0.00131333
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865
English,0.13102565,0.13839775,0.06157145,0.0435978 0,0.04056560,0.01657980,0.00420955,0.00606750,0.00 587280,0.00632250,-0.00470165,0.00604745,-0.01316735,-0.01029915,0.02068505,0.00336205,-0.01144795,0.00310430,0.00372315,0.00310190,0.0053 7285,0.00363740,-0.00201385,0.01408045,0.00036125
Irish/Scottish/Welsh,0.13228260,0.13575633,0.06116163,0.04610647, 0.03934567,0.01760073,0.00328790,0.00544713,0.0043 2753,0.00329560,-0.00566140,0.00552183,-0.01298923,-0.01229210,0.02298907,0.00455140,-0.01034353,0.00244507,0.00212870,0.00159910,0.0047 9467,0.00279477,-0.00034153,0.01318237,0.00036833
Chinese,0.02574093,-0.44672400,0.00416373,-0.06463350,0.05351190,0.02476773,0.00551737,0.0020 7600,-0.01316077,0.00126697,-0.07530797,-0.01189107,0.01126457,-0.00655843,-0.00550930,0.00257083,0.00261210,0.00151403,0.0006 5540,-0.00996537,0.01280200,0.00725607,0.01069883,-0.00123393,-0.00250313
French:Center,0.12629375,0.14304605,0.04892535,0.0 1849095,0.04218765,0.00665110,0.00122955,0.0039836 0,0.01350490,0.02017300,-0.00508600,0.00708335,-0.01343755,-0.01002685,0.01103420,0.00377305,-0.00130630,0.00308060,0.00289040,-0.00059540,0.00202930,0.00365585,-0.00175740,0.00647840,-0.00099690
Georgian,0.10835960,0.13506550,-0.05811440,-0.05122780,-0.03449870,-0.00872940,0.01015250,-0.00519230,-0.05675520,-0.01525330,0.00121790,0.01150970,-0.02157060,0.00567000,-0.00108580,-0.02031270,0.00988310,-0.00392740,-0.00624710,0.01288120,0.00893410,0.00169400,-0.00067780,-0.00788050,-0.00144900
German,0.12967560,0.13619240,0.05618755,0.03572190 ,0.03738955,0.01410635,0.00564820,0.00601530,0.003 17670,0.00231755,-0.00414570,0.00157895,-0.00333240,0.00012160,0.00450770,0.00349405,-0.00152525,0.00122655,0.00327310,0.00127880,0.0010 7455,-0.00032490,0.00086965,0.00563395,-0.00037550
Greek,0.11140840,0.14591180,-0.00812253,-0.04104343,0.00871315,-0.01319430,0.00090083,-0.00172838,-0.00075845,0.01704973,0.00310060,0.00279748,-0.00398438,0.00354085,-0.00934730,-0.00112803,0.00415830,0.00021075,0.00356465,-0.00389083,-0.00505928,0.00134385,0.00106483,0.00079573,-0.00272183
Iberian:Center,0.11164140,0.14594010,0.04041465,-0.00269165,0.04294360,-0.00147585,-0.00171355,0.00317290,0.02653685,0.03157990,-0.00221925,0.00826750,-0.01368300,-0.01220250,0.01127050,-0.00380075,-0.00640495,-0.00096065,-0.00232535,-0.00149035,0.00287500,0.00028850,0.00013350,-0.00322815,-0.00191590
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.0299 5450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300
Italian:Center,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
Iranic,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
MiddleEast,0.05685165,0.12859275,-0.04813445,-0.06769060,-0.01581660,-0.02342100,-0.00406920,-0.00286015,0.00661045,-0.00050155,0.00442385,-0.00707060,0.01346310,-0.00017820,-0.00193140,0.00745640,-0.00185565,0.00011665,0.00003315,0.00229120,0.0015 7940,0.00151840,-0.00176365,0.00088215,-0.00121830
Palestinian/Jewish,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450
Scandinavian,0.13387755,0.12812600,0.07000080,0.05 487155,0.03977280,0.02123570,0.00562880,0.00779640 ,0.00531760,-0.00310225,-0.00426855,0.00259765,-0.00608450,-0.00776585,0.01803785,0.00670525,-0.00632675,0.00230450,0.00208300,0.00281375,0.0063 5490,0.00392150,0.00270265,0.01419580,0.00005980
Slav,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665,0 .03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
SSA,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.01179,0.002,0.00753,-0.012338,0.026537,0.002966,-0.02442,-0.002355,0.013338,-0.032036,0.003303,-0.035287,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.004371,-0.015272,0.006003,0.00287,-0.005132,-0.00302,0.000361,0.002215
Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500

Amerindian=Quechua
Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Armenian=Armenian,+Armenian_Hemsheni
Balkan,=Romanian,+Croatian,+Serbian,
Baltic=Latvian+Estonian
Berber=MAR_ERR,+MAR_TIZ,+Tunisia_Chen,+Tunisia_Sen ,
English=English+Cornwall
Irish/Scottish/Welsh=Irish,+Scottish,+Welsh
Chinese:Han,=Han_Shandong,+Han_Shanghai,+Han_Henan ,
French:Center=Paris+Auvergne
Georgian=Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz
German=German+Austrian
Greek=(Kos+Cyprus)+Thessaly
Iberian:Center=CastillaYLeón+CastillaLaMancha
India,=Gujar_India,+Uttar_Pradesh,+Gujarati,
Iranian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Lor,
Italian:Center= Italian_Marche,+Italian_Lazio,+Italian_Tuscany,+It alian_Umbria
MiddleEast,=Jordanian,+Syrian
Palestinian/Jewish=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,)+Pa lestinian_Beit_Sahour
Scandinavian,=Norwegian,+Swedish,
Slavic=Ukrainian+Polish
SSA=Bantu_Kenya,
Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Modelo simplificado:


Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.8888% / 0.01888794
84.0 Iberian
9.0 Balkan
4.6 Berber
1.8 Greek
0.6 India



Distance to: Viriato_scaled
0.02233514 Iberian:Center
0.04878312 French:Center
0.05582020 Italian:Center
0.06505243 Balkan
0.07193488 German
0.07899204 English
0.08066169 Greek
0.08227906 Irish/Scottish/Welsh
0.09603999 Scandinavian
0.11117618 Slav
0.14022447 Palestinian/Jewish
0.14238400 MiddleEast
0.14871605 Baltic
0.15362818 Armenian
0.16171270 Iranic
0.16472926 Georgian
0.21080008 Arabian
0.21468094 Berber
0.22423609 Turkic
0.32229063 India
0.60855459 Chinese
0.62948447 Amerindian
0.71877759 SSA

[PT Tagus]

Modelo simplificado

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.5376% / 0.01537647
81.4 Iberian
5.8 Arabian
5.4 Italian
4.4 English
3.0 SSA

[gixajo]

Modelo simplificado:


Target: Viriato_scaled


And a mixed reference Iberian=Portuguese+( castilla y León+Castilla la Mancha)?

What do you think?

[Luso]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.1789% / 0.02178948
86.8 Iberian_Center
8.2 Berber
4.6 Baltic
0.2 Georgian_Average
0.2 India

[gixajo]

Iberian:Port+Cast,0.10890770,0.14527555,0.03821083 ,-0.00356183,0.04254030,-0.00276243,-0.00272728,0.00296645,0.02606743,0.03066045,-0.00147663,0.00784425,-0.01321000,-0.01173275,0.01191375,-0.00209938,-0.00376848,-0.00092383,-0.00404368,-0.00086768,0.00200650,-0.00114175,0.00071725,-0.00218058,-0.00101045

Iberian_Port+Cast=Portuguese+(Castilla_y_León+Cast illa_la_Mancha)

[BirdMan]

I just got my G25 coordinates, it's awesome to play around with them.

Modelo Simplificado

Target: Birdman
Distance: 0.5452% / 0.00545160
76.2 Iberian
12.8 French
4.2 Amerindian
4.0 Irish/Scottish/Welsh
1.8 Berber
1.0 SSA

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Iberian_Port+Cast,0.10890770,0.14527555,0.03821083 ,-0.00356183,0.04254030,-0.00276243,-0.00272728,0.00296645,0.02606743,0.03066045,-0.00147663,0.00784425,-0.01321000,-0.01173275,0.01191375,-0.00209938,-0.00376848,-0.00092383,-0.00404368,-0.00086768,0.00200650,-0.00114175,0.00071725,-0.00218058,-0.00101045

Iberian_Port+Cast=Portuguese+(Castilla_y_León+Cast illa_la_Mancha)

I removed the Iberian Center and added that one.


arget: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 2.0599% / 0.02059916
86.0 Iberian_Port+Cast
10.2 Balkan
3.6 Berber
0.2 Italian

[gixajo]

Amerindian,0.056229,-0.269522,0.1111,0.087469,-0.09688,-0.016957,-0.273881,-0.327263,-0.01129,-0.012392,-0.004027,-0.002008,-0.002438,0.021937,-0.003664,0.008221,0.007745,-0.001824,-2.5e-05,0.000425,-0.001073,0.009224,0.000468,0.003519,-0.002155
Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Armenian,0.10509315,0.13768585,-0.05823490,-0.06060000,-0.03175850,-0.01561800,0.00589615,-0.00656435,-0.03826240,-0.00506190,0.00201840,0.00339870,-0.00773695,0.00172020,-0.00649520,-0.00460265,0.00474855,0.00030305,0.00022010,0.0008 9650,0.00294790,0.00317855,-0.00264765,-0.00425920,0.00036025
Balkan,0.12638157,0.13520087,0.04103063,0.01803417 ,0.03150327,0.00620067,0.00450420,0.00621514,0.001 42483,0.00096587,-0.00188910,-0.00109397,0.00282463,0.01096387,-0.01073077,-0.00273577,0.00497627,-0.00082773,0.00328490,-0.00291803,-0.00656340,-0.00225870,0.00450270,0.00035350,-0.00131333
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865
English,0.13102565,0.13839775,0.06157145,0.0435978 0,0.04056560,0.01657980,0.00420955,0.00606750,0.00 587280,0.00632250,-0.00470165,0.00604745,-0.01316735,-0.01029915,0.02068505,0.00336205,-0.01144795,0.00310430,0.00372315,0.00310190,0.0053 7285,0.00363740,-0.00201385,0.01408045,0.00036125
Irish/Scottish/Welsh,0.13228260,0.13575633,0.06116163,0.04610647, 0.03934567,0.01760073,0.00328790,0.00544713,0.0043 2753,0.00329560,-0.00566140,0.00552183,-0.01298923,-0.01229210,0.02298907,0.00455140,-0.01034353,0.00244507,0.00212870,0.00159910,0.0047 9467,0.00279477,-0.00034153,0.01318237,0.00036833
Chinese,0.02574093,-0.44672400,0.00416373,-0.06463350,0.05351190,0.02476773,0.00551737,0.0020 7600,-0.01316077,0.00126697,-0.07530797,-0.01189107,0.01126457,-0.00655843,-0.00550930,0.00257083,0.00261210,0.00151403,0.0006 5540,-0.00996537,0.01280200,0.00725607,0.01069883,-0.00123393,-0.00250313
French:Center,0.12629375,0.14304605,0.04892535,0.0 1849095,0.04218765,0.00665110,0.00122955,0.0039836 0,0.01350490,0.02017300,-0.00508600,0.00708335,-0.01343755,-0.01002685,0.01103420,0.00377305,-0.00130630,0.00308060,0.00289040,-0.00059540,0.00202930,0.00365585,-0.00175740,0.00647840,-0.00099690
Georgian,0.10835960,0.13506550,-0.05811440,-0.05122780,-0.03449870,-0.00872940,0.01015250,-0.00519230,-0.05675520,-0.01525330,0.00121790,0.01150970,-0.02157060,0.00567000,-0.00108580,-0.02031270,0.00988310,-0.00392740,-0.00624710,0.01288120,0.00893410,0.00169400,-0.00067780,-0.00788050,-0.00144900
German,0.12967560,0.13619240,0.05618755,0.03572190 ,0.03738955,0.01410635,0.00564820,0.00601530,0.003 17670,0.00231755,-0.00414570,0.00157895,-0.00333240,0.00012160,0.00450770,0.00349405,-0.00152525,0.00122655,0.00327310,0.00127880,0.0010 7455,-0.00032490,0.00086965,0.00563395,-0.00037550
Greek,0.11140840,0.14591180,-0.00812253,-0.04104343,0.00871315,-0.01319430,0.00090083,-0.00172838,-0.00075845,0.01704973,0.00310060,0.00279748,-0.00398438,0.00354085,-0.00934730,-0.00112803,0.00415830,0.00021075,0.00356465,-0.00389083,-0.00505928,0.00134385,0.00106483,0.00079573,-0.00272183
Iberian:Port+Cast,0.10890770,0.14527555,0.03821083 ,-0.00356183,0.04254030,-0.00276243,-0.00272728,0.00296645,0.02606743,0.03066045,-0.00147663,0.00784425,-0.01321000,-0.01173275,0.01191375,-0.00209938,-0.00376848,-0.00092383,-0.00404368,-0.00086768,0.00200650,-0.00114175,0.00071725,-0.00218058,-0.00101045
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.0299 5450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300
Italian:Center,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
Iranic,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
MiddleEast,0.05685165,0.12859275,-0.04813445,-0.06769060,-0.01581660,-0.02342100,-0.00406920,-0.00286015,0.00661045,-0.00050155,0.00442385,-0.00707060,0.01346310,-0.00017820,-0.00193140,0.00745640,-0.00185565,0.00011665,0.00003315,0.00229120,0.0015 7940,0.00151840,-0.00176365,0.00088215,-0.00121830
Palestinian/Jewish,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450
Scandinavian,0.13387755,0.12812600,0.07000080,0.05 487155,0.03977280,0.02123570,0.00562880,0.00779640 ,0.00531760,-0.00310225,-0.00426855,0.00259765,-0.00608450,-0.00776585,0.01803785,0.00670525,-0.00632675,0.00230450,0.00208300,0.00281375,0.0063 5490,0.00392150,0.00270265,0.01419580,0.00005980
Slav,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665,0 .03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
SSA,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.01179,0.002,0.00753,-0.012338,0.026537,0.002966,-0.02442,-0.002355,0.013338,-0.032036,0.003303,-0.035287,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.004371,-0.015272,0.006003,0.00287,-0.005132,-0.00302,0.000361,0.002215
Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9212% / 0.01921169
71.6 Iberian
28.4 French

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0815% / 0.02081505
93.4 Iberian
6.6 Italian

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.4413% / 0.02441319
74.8 Iberian
25.2 English

[Luso]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.3639% / 0.02363895
91.2 Iberian:Port+Cast
4.0 Slav
3.8 Berber
1.0 SSA

[Rocinante]

Really cool thread - can't believe I'm just seeing it.

Does anyone know about the ydna haplogroup I1 in Spain?

More than half of my ancestry comes from Spanish immigrants post 1850, so I know what regions they came from (principally Baleares, Asturias, and Galicia).

I'm less clear on where my paternal lineage comes from and would like to find out. I assumed it was likely Canarian or Andalusian, because of the surnames and the demographics of Spanish settlement in Puerto Rico.

But I was surprised to discover my ydna haplogroup was I1, specifically I-L1237 according to FTDNA. Does this point to any specific region of Spain? Or the visigothic invasion? Or Dutch settlement in Canarias?

From my (limited) research it looks like I1 is fairly uncommon in Spain. It seems to be more common on Puerto Rico (around 5% according to the study I saw), so maybe there was some sort of founder effect?

Welcome!

I1 in Iberia is strange and is an haplogroup that came only with germanic invasions, this because in all the ancient samples found here, there is no existance of I1. Your clade seems to be typical only in North Europe, this is normal for an I1 actually, so this tells you even more about how this came here, this is a very recent haplogroup here in Iberia, so yes, either suebi or visigoth, i will go with suebis this time.

[Rocinante]

I just got my G25 coordinates, it's awesome to play around with them.

Modelo Simplificado

Target: Birdman
Distance: 0.5452% / 0.00545160
76.2 Iberian
12.8 French
4.2 Amerindian
4.0 Irish/Scottish/Welsh
1.8 Berber
1.0 SSA

Try this! https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?328968-Global25-Ancient-Individual-Basic-Components-by-Rocinante-(Scaled)

[gixajo]

I just got my G25 coordinates, it's awesome to play around with them.

Modelo Simplificado



These coordinates are provided by Davidsky or have they been made by a forum member? Very close distance...

Try the model with ancient references that posted Rocinante, those models are very good to see anyone´s ancestry.

[gixajo]

I just got my G25 coordinates, it's awesome to play around with them.



And welcome.:thumb001:

[BirdMan]

Welcome!

I1 in Iberia is strange and is an haplogroup that came only with germanic invasions, this because in all the ancient samples found here, there is no existance of I1. Your clade seems to be typical only in North Europe, this is normal for an I1 actually, so this tells you even more about how this came here, this is a very recent haplogroup here in Iberia, so yes, either suebi or visigoth, i will go with suebis this time.


Try this! https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?328968-Global25-Ancient-Individual-Basic-Components-by-Rocinante-(Scaled)

Thanks for all the advice! I'm new at all this but it's super cool!

Target: Birdman
Distance: 2.2973% / 0.02297318
48.2 Early_European_Farmer
32.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian
3.2 Amerindian
2.2 Baltic_Mesolithic
0.6 Sub-Saharan

At the level of my great-great grandparents, I'm 10/16 Northern/Eastern Spanish, 1/16 Corsican, and 5/16 "criollo" Puerto Rican (some of the criollo branches my family has traced back to people like Ponce de Leon and others we know nothing about, including the direct paternal side where my I1 came from).

[Luso]

I got a shit ton of Baltic Mesolithic from Rocinante's model :confused:

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.0320% / 0.02032025
79.2 Iberian
14.4 English
3.8 Armenian
1.8 SSA
0.4 Iranic
0.4 Italian

[BirdMan]

These coordinates are provided by Davidsky or have they been made by a forum member? Very close distance...

Try the model with ancient references that posted Rocinante, those models are very good to see anyone´s ancestry.

By davidsky from 23andMe (V3) I believe, I want to order for my parents as well but I haven't done it yet

[Rocinante]

Thanks for all the advice! I'm new at all this but it's super cool!

Target: Birdman
Distance: 2.2973% / 0.02297318
48.2 Early_European_Farmer
32.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian
3.2 Amerindian
2.2 Baltic_Mesolithic
0.6 Sub-Saharan

At the level of my great-great grandparents, I'm 10/16 Northern/Eastern Spanish, 1/16 Corsican, and 5/16 "criollo" Puerto Rican (some of the criollo branches my family has traced back to people like Ponce de Leon and others we know nothing about, including the direct paternal side where my I1 came from).

You are pretty northern shifted, like Spaniard 2.0 and Damian, curious. That I1 is surting effect on that gene pool of yours my friend xD

[Rocinante]

I got a shit ton of Baltic Mesolithic from Rocinante's model :confused:

Baltic Mesolithic are almost identical to SHG, a mix of WHG and EHG, so it is nothing strange, don't worry.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.8988% / 0.02898817
53.0 Early_European_Farmer
32.0 Western_Steppe_Herder
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7508% / 0.02750832
57.0 Early_European_Farmer
27.4 Western_Steppe_Herder
8.6 Baltic_Mesolithic
4.2 Iberomaurusian
2.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.5623% / 0.03562258
51.4 Early_European_Farmer
30.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
8.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
7.8 Baltic_Mesolithic
2.6 Iberomaurusian

[PT Tagus]

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.7191% / 0.01719123
81.0 Iberian: Port+Cast
5.8 English
5.2 Arabian
5.2 Italian:Center
2.8 SSA

[BirdMan]

You are pretty northern shifted, like Spaniard 2.0 and Damian, curious. That I1 is surting effect on that gene pool of yours my friend xD

It is also possible that my "Corsican" ancestor was from Northern France. I haven't actually seen confirmation of his birth in Corsica, maybe family tradition just assumed he was Corsican because they were more common than people from other French regions (just like how we also call all Spaniards Gallegos).

[gixajo]

It is also possible that my "Corsican" ancestor was from Northern France. I haven't actually seen confirmation of his birth in Corsica, maybe family tradition just assumed he was Corsican because they were more common than people from other French regions (just like how we also call all Spaniards Gallegos).

Who knows...maybe.:noidea:

hay tantas posibilidades...

[mitalit]

Thanks for all the advice! I'm new at all this but it's super cool!

Target: Birdman
Distance: 2.2973% / 0.02297318
48.2 Early_European_Farmer
32.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian
3.2 Amerindian
2.2 Baltic_Mesolithic
0.6 Sub-Saharan

At the level of my great-great grandparents, I'm 10/16 Northern/Eastern Spanish, 1/16 Corsican, and 5/16 "criollo" Puerto Rican (some of the criollo branches my family has traced back to people like Ponce de Leon and others we know nothing about, including the direct paternal side where my I1 came from).

We have similar results. if you were 100% European our results would be almost the same

Default
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.9528% / 0.02952757
50.0 Early_European_Farmer
37.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
3.4 Iberomaurusian

[gixajo]

Genética de los reyes de Aragón.

http://geneticaforense.unizar.es/content/investigaci%C3%B3n-sobre-los-reyes-de-arag%C3%B3n

[Rocinante]

Genética de los reyes de Aragón.

http://geneticaforense.unizar.es/content/investigaci%C3%B3n-sobre-los-reyes-de-arag%C3%B3n

No veo donde ponen cual era el Y-DNA.

[gixajo]

No veo donde ponen cual era el Y-DNA.

No lo dice, ni he encontrado ese dato, solo nombra los maternos, muy inespecíficamente, como U y H...

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.8326% / 0.01832577
68.2 Iberian
17.0 English
7.6 Berber
2.4 Slav
1.6 SSA
1.4 Palestinian/Jewish
1.0 Arabian
0.8 Amerindian

[Gota_type_]

No veo donde ponen cual era el Y-DNA.

"Se ha logrado la identificación de los “haplogrupos” de este cromosoma masculino en varios varones obteniendo un perfil genético típico del Pirineo y del área atlántica o más occidental de Europa. Resulta llamativa la presencia de este perfil en uno de los individuos más antiguos del grupo y cuya data remonta al siglo VIII-IX. Se trata de un perfil de Y propio del área europea en la que nos encontramos y en concreto del Pirineo."

Apuesto a que R1b-DF27, y posiblemente el marcador vasco, pues en aquellas épocas en el norte de Aragón había gente hablando en euskera también. Quizá haya q buscar ese otro estudio de nobles catalanes que dicen que están vinculados familiarmente a estos aragoneses. Por cierto, esto es curioso:

"Algunos de ellos posibles guerreros por su anatomía y sus lesiones y, desde luego, individuos de elevada talla y envergadura física que revela la robustez e impresionante aspecto atlético de estos primeros aragoneses."

Debían medir estos nobles mínimo 1.90 porque no creo que se hubiera emocionado tanto el autor al escribir esas frases si midiera menos. En aquella época la media sería 1.70 o quizás algo menos, así que no creo que diga esto si fuera 1.80. Así que ver hace 1000 años a aragoneses de 1.90 guerreando debió impresionar a los enemigos.

[gixajo]

"Se ha logrado la identificación de los “haplogrupos” de este cromosoma masculino en varios varones obteniendo un perfil genético típico del Pirineo y del área atlántica o más occidental de Europa. Resulta llamativa la presencia de este perfil en uno de los individuos más antiguos del grupo y cuya data remonta al siglo VIII-IX. Se trata de un perfil de Y propio del área europea en la que nos encontramos y en concreto del Pirineo."

Apuesto a que R1b-DF27, y posiblemente el marcador vasco, pues en aquellas épocas en el norte de Aragón había gente hablando en euskera también. Quizá haya q buscar ese otro estudio de nobles catalanes que dicen que están vinculados familiarmente a estos aragoneses. Por cierto, esto es curioso:

"Algunos de ellos posibles guerreros por su anatomía y sus lesiones y, desde luego, individuos de elevada talla y envergadura física que revela la robustez e impresionante aspecto atlético de estos primeros aragoneses."

Debían medir estos nobles mínimo 1.90 porque no creo que se hubiera emocionado tanto el autor al escribir esas frases si midiera menos. En aquella época la media sería 1.70 o quizás algo menos, así que no creo que diga esto si fuera 1.80. Así que ver hace 1000 años a aragoneses de 1.90 guerreando debió impresionar a los enemigos.

Sí, eso si dice, pero no da ningún haplotipo.

En otro artículo que leí, decían que uno de los individuos (hombre) más identificados como iniciador de la dinastía,medía cosa de 1,64. igual leí mal. En esa época la media de hombres ni de lejos era 1,70.

De todas formas, es uno entre 70 individuos (adultos, niños, hombres y mujeres), y siendo nobles tendrían mejor alimentación por lo que serían más altos.Yo diría que la media para hombres bien alimentados de la época, 1,70 sería correcta, pero para gente de clase llana, 1,60 y contentos. Con 1,80 llamaría la atención por alto.

En cuanto a lo de los haplogrupos podemos hacernos una idea de los de la zona y de la misma época con esto:


Results: Complete or partial STR profiles were obtained in 3 of the 7 samples. Mitochondrial DNA haplogroup was determined in 6 samples, with 5 of them corresponding to the haplogroup H and 1 to the haplogroup U5a. Y-chromosome haplogroup was determined in 2 samples, corresponding to the haplogroup R. In one of them, the sub-branch R1b1b2 was determined. mtDNA sequences indicated that some of the individuals could be maternally related, while STR profiles indicated no direct family relationships.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21674829/

[Rocinante]

"Se ha logrado la identificación de los “haplogrupos” de este cromosoma masculino en varios varones obteniendo un perfil genético típico del Pirineo y del área atlántica o más occidental de Europa. Resulta llamativa la presencia de este perfil en uno de los individuos más antiguos del grupo y cuya data remonta al siglo VIII-IX. Se trata de un perfil de Y propio del área europea en la que nos encontramos y en concreto del Pirineo."

Apuesto a que R1b-DF27, y posiblemente el marcador vasco, pues en aquellas épocas en el norte de Aragón había gente hablando en euskera también. Quizá haya q buscar ese otro estudio de nobles catalanes que dicen que están vinculados familiarmente a estos aragoneses. Por cierto, esto es curioso:

"Algunos de ellos posibles guerreros por su anatomía y sus lesiones y, desde luego, individuos de elevada talla y envergadura física que revela la robustez e impresionante aspecto atlético de estos primeros aragoneses."

Debían medir estos nobles mínimo 1.90 porque no creo que se hubiera emocionado tanto el autor al escribir esas frases si midiera menos. En aquella época la media sería 1.70 o quizás algo menos, así que no creo que diga esto si fuera 1.80. Así que ver hace 1000 años a aragoneses de 1.90 guerreando debió impresionar a los enemigos.

Es que eso quisiera saber, de nuestro verdaderos Reyes, que haplogrupos tenian, porque los de ahora son R-U106, no es que sea un haplogrupo tan extraño, pero si tiene que haber un Rey en España o en cierto territorio, ese Rey tiene que ser de linajes 100% provenientes de ese territorio, en nuestro caso, celtibero por asi decirlo, ya sea R-DF27, clados ibericos del R-U152, igualmente clados ibericos del E, J, G, etc. que lo justifique, por ello quisiera saber que haplogrupos tenian los Reyes de Aragon y esperar a que sus clados sean ibericos de antaño, tambien seria la re-hostia saber los haplogrupos de Don Pelayo (quien yo pienso que era astur y no visigodo) y personajes importantes como El Cid.

Esta claro, para la epoca el que midiese mas de 1.80m, era el tio de cuidado hasta con las mujeres.

[Gota_type_]

Yo conozco a un descendiente actual (es madrileño) de una de las primeras dinastías de reyes históricas, la de la dinastía Jimena, de Navarra. Vamos, que el tío desciende de los reyes de Navarra de hace 1200 años, y si sumamos todos los reyes descendientes de esa dinastía Jimena, más los descendientes casados con otras casas reales (Aragón por ej.), tenemos que este madrileño desciende de no menos de 20 reyes históricos de Navarra y Aragón. Y el tío es profesor de Universidad y va en metro al trabajo.

Yo la única casa real que respeto (hasta cierto punto) es la casa de Trastámara, que además su origen me pilla geográficamente cerca, Son coruños en origen: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADo_Tambre

Las casas borbónicas y Austrias.... sí, hicieron grandes cosas por España (sobre todo los segundos), pero no dejan de ser foráneas en origen. Aunque parece ser que los Borbones descienden también de Ervigio u otro rey godo, así que entroncan con las primeras casas reales históricas de España.

En realidad, en España debe haber decenas de miles de personas que, sin saberlo, descienden de algún rey histórico. Si hasta hubo reyes o caudillos en Tartessos hace 3000 años. O los caudillos cántabros como Coroccota. A saber si alguno de nosotros desciende de algún rey o noble de hace 1500 años. Mola pensarlo.

[BirdMan]

Yo conozco a un descendiente actual (es madrileño) de una de las primeras dinastías de reyes históricas, la de la dinastía Jimena, de Navarra. Vamos, que el tío desciende de los reyes de Navarra de hace 1200 años, y si sumamos todos los reyes descendientes de esa dinastía Jimena, más los descendientes casados con otras casas reales (Aragón por ej.), tenemos que este madrileño desciende de no menos de 20 reyes históricos de Navarra y Aragón. Y el tío es profesor de Universidad y va en metro al trabajo.

Yo la única casa real que respeto (hasta cierto punto) es la casa de Trastámara, que además su origen me pilla geográficamente cerca, Son coruños en origen: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADo_Tambre

Las casas borbónicas y Austrias.... sí, hicieron grandes cosas por España (sobre todo los segundos), pero no dejan de ser foráneas en origen. Aunque parece ser que los Borbones descienden también de Ervigio u otro rey godo, así que entroncan con las primeras casas reales históricas de España.

En realidad, en España debe haber decenas de miles de personas que, sin saberlo, descienden de algún rey histórico. Si hasta hubo reyes o caudillos en Tartessos hace 3000 años. O los caudillos cántabros como Coroccota. A saber si alguno de nosotros desciende de algún rey o noble de hace 1500 años. Mola pensarlo.

According to my family geneology, my colonial side descends from many Iberian kings and queens through Maria de Toledo, Duquesa de Veragua (including her recent ancestor Alfonso XI). She was the granddaughter of the first Duke of Alba and the wife of Diego Colon - son of Cristobal. Together they have many descendants in Puerto Rico.

But I think that is more just trivia than anything. Mathematically almost everyone with Iberian ancestry must descend from kings if you go back far enough. In my case the connection was just easier to find because that branch is well documented.

[Duffmannn]

Yo conozco a un descendiente actual (es madrileño) de una de las primeras dinastías de reyes históricas, la de la dinastía Jimena, de Navarra. Vamos, que el tío desciende de los reyes de Navarra de hace 1200 años, y si sumamos todos los reyes descendientes de esa dinastía Jimena, más los descendientes casados con otras casas reales (Aragón por ej.), tenemos que este madrileño desciende de no menos de 20 reyes históricos de Navarra y Aragón. Y el tío es profesor de Universidad y va en metro al trabajo.

Yo la única casa real que respeto (hasta cierto punto) es la casa de Trastámara, que además su origen me pilla geográficamente cerca, Son coruños en origen: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADo_Tambre

Las casas borbónicas y Austrias.... sí, hicieron grandes cosas por España (sobre todo los segundos), pero no dejan de ser foráneas en origen. Aunque parece ser que los Borbones descienden también de Ervigio u otro rey godo, así que entroncan con las primeras casas reales históricas de España.

En realidad, en España debe haber decenas de miles de personas que, sin saberlo, descienden de algún rey histórico. Si hasta hubo reyes o caudillos en Tartessos hace 3000 años. O los caudillos cántabros como Coroccota. A saber si alguno de nosotros desciende de algún rey o noble de hace 1500 años. Mola pensarlo.

Felipe VI desciende, fehacientemente, del rey Bermudo I de Asturias (789-791), el linaje de Pelayo y Alfonso I se perdió poco antes.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermudo_I_de_Asturias

Bermudo I es el ascendiente coronado como rey más remoto de un linaje que entronca generación tras generación hasta Felipe VI, actual rey de España.2​3​ Ante esto, autores como García-Mercadal y García-Loygorri consideran que la dinastía reinante en España es la segunda más antigua del mundo, solo por detrás de la japonesa.

Es incluso descendiente directo de Velázquez:

https://www.elespanol.com/cultura/historia/20191229/extrana-relacion-felipe-vi-velazquez-rey-descendiente/455454623_0.html

[Luso]

But I think that is more just trivia than anything. Mathematically almost everyone with Iberian ancestry must descend from kings if you go back far enough. In my case the connection was just easier to find because that branch is well documented.

Hard to think my paternal family came from kings when my grandpa's family was so poor they couldn't even purchase shoes or anything. They were farmers... but hey, you never know!

[Defcon2]

Si os interesa hacer grafiquitos con plots hay un programa disponible llamado past4:

https://folk.uio.no/ohammer/past/

No voy a tener ni idea de usarlo.

En realidad lo dejo para que lo probéis primero vosotros y utilizaros como ovejitas por si tiene spyware o cosas así :)

[gixajo]

Si os interesa hacer grafiquitos con plots hay un programa disponible llamado past4:

https://folk.uio.no/ohammer/past/

No voy a tener ni idea de usarlo.

En realidad lo dejo para que lo probéis primero vosotros y utilizaros como ovejitas por si tiene spyware o cosas así :)

pero que copión eres...si posteé un link hace semanas...

Aparte de eso, no sé si habéis visto este thread sobre una nueva compañía, en parte española, tipo MH 23andme y así, hacen estimaciones con raw data por 15 Euros:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329292-ADNTRO-new-ancestry-genetic-company-post-results



https://app.adntro.com/sign-up?selectedProduct=activate

[gixajo]

Si os interesa hacer grafiquitos con plots hay un programa disponible llamado past4:

https://folk.uio.no/ohammer/past/

No voy a tener ni idea de usarlo.

En realidad lo dejo para que lo probéis primero vosotros y utilizaros como ovejitas por si tiene spyware o cosas así :)

Y ya de paso, si pagas algo, puedes hacer mapitas como por los que piden 5 euros con este: https://editor.giscloud.com/map/1220111/walid-euclidean-g25map

[gixajo]

Esto lo posteé en el foro de Spaniard,Defcon2, solo abrí el link pero no he investigado nada, puede ser útil?

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-worlds-published-ancient-dna-data

[Defcon2]

pero que copión eres...si posteé un link hace semanas...

Aparte de eso, no sé si habéis visto este thread sobre una nueva compañía, en parte española, tipo MH 23andme y así, hacen estimaciones con raw data por 15 Euros:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329292-ADNTRO-new-ancestry-genetic-company-post-results



https://app.adntro.com/sign-up?selectedProduct=activate

15€ para una reinterpretación de la raw data no compensa y menos cuando lo has hecho 20 veces.


Esto lo posteé en el foro de Spaniard,Defcon2, solo abrí el link pero no he investigado nada, puede ser útil?

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-worlds-published-ancient-dna-data

Ni idea, pero he leído que puedes descargar el archivo para meterlos en el gedmatch y cosas así.

[gixajo]

Double.

[gixajo]

15€ para una reinterpretación de la raw data no compensa y menos cuando lo has hecho 20 veces.



.

Bueno, igual como parece una empresa española, al menos con los españoles tienen buen tino.

Yo todos estos enlaces de sitios para gráficos y mapas y cosas similares, que va posteando la gente en el foro, los pongo en favoritos para cuando pueda dedicarles tiempo, empezar a trastear con elllos.

Pero igual que con el cable ethernet para el router, siempre lo dejo para más adelante, y nunca lo hago.:rolleyes:

[mitalit]

Cuanto hay que pagar para hacer los mapitas? Nos podemos forrar.

[gixajo]

Cuanto hay que pagar para hacer los mapitas? Nos podemos forrar.

Ni idea, no intenté registrarme aún, igual es gratis.

Mira a ver...

[Gallop]

Amerindian,0.056229,-0.269522,0.1111,0.087469,-0.09688,-0.016957,-0.273881,-0.327263,-0.01129,-0.012392,-0.004027,-0.002008,-0.002438,0.021937,-0.003664,0.008221,0.007745,-0.001824,-2.5e-05,0.000425,-0.001073,0.009224,0.000468,0.003519,-0.002155
Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Armenian,0.10509315,0.13768585,-0.05823490,-0.06060000,-0.03175850,-0.01561800,0.00589615,-0.00656435,-0.03826240,-0.00506190,0.00201840,0.00339870,-0.00773695,0.00172020,-0.00649520,-0.00460265,0.00474855,0.00030305,0.00022010,0.0008 9650,0.00294790,0.00317855,-0.00264765,-0.00425920,0.00036025
Balkan,0.12638157,0.13520087,0.04103063,0.01803417 ,0.03150327,0.00620067,0.00450420,0.00621514,0.001 42483,0.00096587,-0.00188910,-0.00109397,0.00282463,0.01096387,-0.01073077,-0.00273577,0.00497627,-0.00082773,0.00328490,-0.00291803,-0.00656340,-0.00225870,0.00450270,0.00035350,-0.00131333
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
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English,0.13102565,0.13839775,0.06157145,0.0435978 0,0.04056560,0.01657980,0.00420955,0.00606750,0.00 587280,0.00632250,-0.00470165,0.00604745,-0.01316735,-0.01029915,0.02068505,0.00336205,-0.01144795,0.00310430,0.00372315,0.00310190,0.0053 7285,0.00363740,-0.00201385,0.01408045,0.00036125
Irish/Scottish/Welsh,0.13228260,0.13575633,0.06116163,0.04610647, 0.03934567,0.01760073,0.00328790,0.00544713,0.0043 2753,0.00329560,-0.00566140,0.00552183,-0.01298923,-0.01229210,0.02298907,0.00455140,-0.01034353,0.00244507,0.00212870,0.00159910,0.0047 9467,0.00279477,-0.00034153,0.01318237,0.00036833
Chinese,0.02574093,-0.44672400,0.00416373,-0.06463350,0.05351190,0.02476773,0.00551737,0.0020 7600,-0.01316077,0.00126697,-0.07530797,-0.01189107,0.01126457,-0.00655843,-0.00550930,0.00257083,0.00261210,0.00151403,0.0006 5540,-0.00996537,0.01280200,0.00725607,0.01069883,-0.00123393,-0.00250313
French:Center,0.12629375,0.14304605,0.04892535,0.0 1849095,0.04218765,0.00665110,0.00122955,0.0039836 0,0.01350490,0.02017300,-0.00508600,0.00708335,-0.01343755,-0.01002685,0.01103420,0.00377305,-0.00130630,0.00308060,0.00289040,-0.00059540,0.00202930,0.00365585,-0.00175740,0.00647840,-0.00099690
Georgian,0.10835960,0.13506550,-0.05811440,-0.05122780,-0.03449870,-0.00872940,0.01015250,-0.00519230,-0.05675520,-0.01525330,0.00121790,0.01150970,-0.02157060,0.00567000,-0.00108580,-0.02031270,0.00988310,-0.00392740,-0.00624710,0.01288120,0.00893410,0.00169400,-0.00067780,-0.00788050,-0.00144900
German,0.12967560,0.13619240,0.05618755,0.03572190 ,0.03738955,0.01410635,0.00564820,0.00601530,0.003 17670,0.00231755,-0.00414570,0.00157895,-0.00333240,0.00012160,0.00450770,0.00349405,-0.00152525,0.00122655,0.00327310,0.00127880,0.0010 7455,-0.00032490,0.00086965,0.00563395,-0.00037550
Greek,0.11140840,0.14591180,-0.00812253,-0.04104343,0.00871315,-0.01319430,0.00090083,-0.00172838,-0.00075845,0.01704973,0.00310060,0.00279748,-0.00398438,0.00354085,-0.00934730,-0.00112803,0.00415830,0.00021075,0.00356465,-0.00389083,-0.00505928,0.00134385,0.00106483,0.00079573,-0.00272183
Iberian:Port+Cast,0.10890770,0.14527555,0.03821083 ,-0.00356183,0.04254030,-0.00276243,-0.00272728,0.00296645,0.02606743,0.03066045,-0.00147663,0.00784425,-0.01321000,-0.01173275,0.01191375,-0.00209938,-0.00376848,-0.00092383,-0.00404368,-0.00086768,0.00200650,-0.00114175,0.00071725,-0.00218058,-0.00101045
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.0299 5450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300
Italian:Center,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
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Scandinavian,0.13387755,0.12812600,0.07000080,0.05 487155,0.03977280,0.02123570,0.00562880,0.00779640 ,0.00531760,-0.00310225,-0.00426855,0.00259765,-0.00608450,-0.00776585,0.01803785,0.00670525,-0.00632675,0.00230450,0.00208300,0.00281375,0.0063 5490,0.00392150,0.00270265,0.01419580,0.00005980
Slav,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665,0 .03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
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Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.0338% / 0.02033799
96.8 Iberian
3.2 Irish/Scottish/Welsh

[gixajo]

Hay una opción "try it free".

[Defcon2]

Ni idea, no intenté registrarme aún, igual es gratis.

Mira a ver...

Este si es gratuito:

https://mapchart.net/europe-detailed.html

[gixajo]

Este si es gratuito:

https://mapchart.net/europe-detailed.html

Tiene una pinta buenísima ese.

Con ese podemos falsificar mapas, con el otro en teoría, se pueden generar mapas con datos de hojas de cálculo, incluidas coordenadas de Gedmacht y G25.

[Defcon2]

Del James Bond añadiéndole la referencia norteafricana canaria, creo que sale bastante bien.


Insular_Celtic,0.1263435,0.129988,0.0607165,0.0644 385,0.0296975,0.022172,0.0019975,0.006,0.002761,-0.0058315,-0.00138,0.0086925,-0.009737,-0.0165835,0.0229365,0.0146515,-0.003716,0.006968,0.0011315,0.0049395,0.006613,0.0 0643,0.00228,0.0110255,-0.0029335
Continental_Celtic,0.12862,0.1376045,0.0705215,0.0 34238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.001385,0.0185 09,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Insular_Germanic,0.129758,0.132019,0.070899,0.0594 32,0.044624,0.025937,0.00282,0.005538,0,-0.006743,-0.006171,0.004796,-0.012785,-0.012386,0.028366,0.0179,0.00691,-0.003674,0.006159,0.008004,0.008235,0.005193,0.000 37,0.019521,0.002036
Latin,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
Continental_Germanic,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169, 0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0 013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Canary_Islands_Guanche,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224


Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.1421% / 0.04142144
62.4 Continental_Celtic
22.6 Latin
14.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.2 Continental_Germanic

[Defcon2]

Es que eso quisiera saber, de nuestro verdaderos Reyes, que haplogrupos tenian, porque los de ahora son R-U106, no es que sea un haplogrupo tan extraño, pero si tiene que haber un Rey en España o en cierto territorio, ese Rey tiene que ser de linajes 100% provenientes de ese territorio, en nuestro caso, celtibero por asi decirlo, ya sea R-DF27, clados ibericos del R-U152, igualmente clados ibericos del E, J, G, etc. que lo justifique, por ello quisiera saber que haplogrupos tenian los Reyes de Aragon y esperar a que sus clados sean ibericos de antaño, tambien seria la re-hostia saber los haplogrupos de Don Pelayo (quien yo pienso que era astur y no visigodo) y personajes importantes como El Cid.

Esta claro, para la epoca el que midiese mas de 1.80m, era el tio de cuidado hasta con las mujeres.

En Anthrogenica estamos haciendo furor con nuestras calculadoras.

https://i.imgur.com/YKiTzPC.png
https://i.imgur.com/vCyCrTr.png
https://i.imgur.com/fkO67AJ.png

[gixajo]

Del James Bond añadiéndole la referencia norteafricana canaria, creo que sale bastante bien.


Insular_Celtic,0.1263435,0.129988,0.0607165,0.0644 385,0.0296975,0.022172,0.0019975,0.006,0.002761,-0.0058315,-0.00138,0.0086925,-0.009737,-0.0165835,0.0229365,0.0146515,-0.003716,0.006968,0.0011315,0.0049395,0.006613,0.0 0643,0.00228,0.0110255,-0.0029335
Continental_Celtic,0.12862,0.1376045,0.0705215,0.0 34238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.001385,0.0185 09,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Insular_Germanic,0.129758,0.132019,0.070899,0.0594 32,0.044624,0.025937,0.00282,0.005538,0,-0.006743,-0.006171,0.004796,-0.012785,-0.012386,0.028366,0.0179,0.00691,-0.003674,0.006159,0.008004,0.008235,0.005193,0.000 37,0.019521,0.002036
Latin,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
Continental_Germanic,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169, 0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0 013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Canary_Islands_Guanche,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224


ic
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2043% / 0.03204252
72.4 Continental_Celtic
22.2 Latin
5.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5302% / 0.03530170
62.0 Continental_Celtic
28.2 Latin
9.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.6272% / 0.03627157
78.4 Continental_Celtic
15.6 Latin
6.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche

Habrá que cambiarse la bandera por una bereber como hizo Rocinante...:rolleyes:

[Defcon2]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2043% / 0.03204252
72.4 Continental_Celtic
22.2 Latin
5.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5302% / 0.03530170
62.0 Continental_Celtic
28.2 Latin
9.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.6272% / 0.03627157
78.4 Continental_Celtic
15.6 Latin
6.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche

Habrá que cambiarse la bandera por una bereber como hizo Rocinante...:rolleyes:

Que algún entendido en esto lo explique, xfabor. Aunque es cierto que la herencia norteafricana no se limita al iberomaurusian... :rolleyes: [/Aren]