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Altaylı
03-09-2021, 03:01 PM
n=6 Ethnic Persians, from different regions. If you are interested in Kit numbers I can send them
East1,29.37,2.43,0.5,0.55,3.71,9.12,7.65,0.65,13.2 3,0.36,31.5,0.94
East2,26.97,0.63,3.71,0,8.3,9.34,6.82,0,8.78,0.45, 34.63,0.38
South1,27.79,0.47,0.94,0.71,5.05,7.59,5.27,1.29,14 .31,0.7,35.07,0.8
South2,27.98,1.54,2.43,0,4.14,6.69,6.34,1.65,13.11 ,0,35.53,0.57
West1,25.26,0.75,2.65,0,5.29,10.29,4.89,0,12.29,1. 72,36.86,0
West2,27.37,3.34,2.56,0.74,5.33,5.75,2.85,0.24,9.4 6,0,42.31,0
Can you send me from pm?
n=6 Ethnic Persians, from different regions. If you are interested in Kit numbers I can send them
East1,29.37,2.43,0.5,0.55,3.71,9.12,7.65,0.65,13.2 3,0.36,31.5,0.94
East2,26.97,0.63,3.71,0,8.3,9.34,6.82,0,8.78,0.45, 34.63,0.38
South1,27.79,0.47,0.94,0.71,5.05,7.59,5.27,1.29,14 .31,0.7,35.07,0.8
South2,27.98,1.54,2.43,0,4.14,6.69,6.34,1.65,13.11 ,0,35.53,0.57
West1,25.26,0.75,2.65,0,5.29,10.29,4.89,0,12.29,1. 72,36.86,0
West2,27.37,3.34,2.56,0.74,5.33,5.75,2.85,0.24,9.4 6,0,42.31,0
East2 has some North African for some reason, most likely not real as I have Russians with 2% NW Afro (usually the V5 chip)
Target: East2
Distance: 1.6272% / 1.62722917 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.7 Iran_Mazandaran
13.6 Balkan_Gypsy
13.0 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.3 Algerian
6.3 Iran_Khorasan
3.1 Sardinian
Sterling Archer
03-09-2021, 03:26 PM
Azerbaijani from the Republic. Likely from the Northern part.
Gedrosia 18.33 Pct
Siberian 2.94 Pct
Northwest_African 0.08 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.62 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.98 Pct
North_European 12.62 Pct
South_Asian 5.22 Pct
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.29 Pct
East_Asian 2.9 Pct
Caucasus 41.77 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Zeynal
6.02329644 Azerbaijani_North
7.31474538 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.36150121 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.93080702 Azerbaijani
8.26792598 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.59533220 Abazin
9.79249713 Turk_Southeast
9.81531966 Turk_Central_East
9.89516043 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.92734607 Karachay
9.97665776 Adyghe
10.12843522 Kabardin
10.13524050 Kumyk
10.15134966 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.15998524 Circassian
10.18167963 Turk_South
10.19204592 Turk_East
10.24725329 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.29636344 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.49305008 Ingush
10.68825524 Zaza
10.83779037 Balkar
10.92770790 Ossetian
11.03661180 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.62825008 Turk_Central_West
Assyrian from Urmia, West-Azerbaijan Province (Iran)
Gedrosia: 17.62
Siberian: 0.09
NW_African: 0.74
SE_Asian: 1.61
Atlantic_Med: 10.53
North_European: 4.00
South_Asia: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 18.31
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 47.05
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Assyrian_Urmia
2.61181929 Assyrian_North
2.72448160 Assyrian_West
2.87892341 Azeri_Jew
2.89701571 Assyrian_South
4.16223498 Armenian_West
5.43656141 Kurdish_Jew
5.59189592 Iranian_Jew
6.15600520 Armenian_East
6.26793427 Iraqi_Jew
6.58836095 Mandean
7.68952534 Turk_East
8.91348978 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.31946350 Nusayri_Turkey
10.29916501 Greek_Pontus
10.38176286 Zaza
10.64247152 Lebanese_Christian
10.78007885 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.89319053 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.39065845 Greek_Cappadocia
11.43178464 Iraq_Turkmen
11.75295707 Lebanese_Muslim
11.77333428 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.04306024 Turk_Ahiska
12.18654586 Hemshin
12.25521114 Turk_Southeast
Target: Assyrian_Urmia
Distance: 1.3595% / 1.35950923 | ADC: 0.5x RC
59.7 Assyrian_North
21.9 Armenian_East
16.8 Assyrian_West
1.6 Dai
n=6 Ethnic Persians, from different regions. If you are interested in Kit numbers I can send them
East1,29.37,2.43,0.5,0.55,3.71,9.12,7.65,0.65,13.2 3,0.36,31.5,0.94
East2,26.97,0.63,3.71,0,8.3,9.34,6.82,0,8.78,0.45, 34.63,0.38
South1,27.79,0.47,0.94,0.71,5.05,7.59,5.27,1.29,14 .31,0.7,35.07,0.8
South2,27.98,1.54,2.43,0,4.14,6.69,6.34,1.65,13.11 ,0,35.53,0.57
West1,25.26,0.75,2.65,0,5.29,10.29,4.89,0,12.29,1. 72,36.86,0
West2,27.37,3.34,2.56,0.74,5.33,5.75,2.85,0.24,9.4 6,0,42.31,0
can I get them in the Pm as well.
n=6 Ethnic Persians, from different regions. If you are interested in Kit numbers I can send them
East1,29.37,2.43,0.5,0.55,3.71,9.12,7.65,0.65,13.2 3,0.36,31.5,0.94
East2,26.97,0.63,3.71,0,8.3,9.34,6.82,0,8.78,0.45, 34.63,0.38
South1,27.79,0.47,0.94,0.71,5.05,7.59,5.27,1.29,14 .31,0.7,35.07,0.8
South2,27.98,1.54,2.43,0,4.14,6.69,6.34,1.65,13.11 ,0,35.53,0.57
West1,25.26,0.75,2.65,0,5.29,10.29,4.89,0,12.29,1. 72,36.86,0
West2,27.37,3.34,2.56,0.74,5.33,5.75,2.85,0.24,9.4 6,0,42.31,0
I matched with South2 on 23andme and he listed 3/4 of his grandparents were born in Lamerd, Fars and 1/4 was born in Eqlid, Fars.
Don't know if this guy has been posted before. The last name is Georgian-sounding (-shvili) but Google yields some Chechen judo fighters when I enter it and he also has several Chechen matches on GEDmatch, so it's safe to assume he is some kind of Chechen, maybe from Eastern Georgia. His Med is very high for a Chechen though.
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Gedrosia 21.23 Pct
Siberian 2.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.24 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.97 Pct
North_European 18.52 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.76 Pct
East_Asian 1.96 Pct
Caucasus 43.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: EB
3.92237173 Ingush
4.59981521 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.66722616 Kumyk
5.14661054 Chechen
5.33448217 Kabardin
5.75788155 Circassian
5.77941173 Adyghe
5.85363989 Abazin
5.88045066 Karachay
5.96137568 Balkar
Distance to: EB
1.33775091 91.20% Ingush + 8.80% Italian_Emilia
1.35738054 91.00% Ingush + 9.00% Italian_Tuscany
1.35808822 91.80% Ingush + 8.20% Italian_Lombardy
1.36759389 8.60% French_Corsica + 91.40% Ingush
1.39210147 94.60% Ingush + 5.40% Spanish_Basque
1.42584566 94.00% Ingush + 6.00% Spanish_La_Rioja
1.42584647 91.40% Ingush + 8.60% Italian_Liguria
1.43967022 90.40% Ingush + 9.60% Italian_Romagna
1.45370254 93.60% Ingush + 6.40% Spanish_Aragon
1.47772052 5.80% French_Southwest + 94.20% Ingush
Target: EB
Distance: 1.3238% / 1.32382786 | ADC: 0.5x RC
91.2 Ingush
5.7 Italian_Emilia
3.1 French_Corsica
RatCat
03-10-2021, 02:12 PM
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Some North Caucasians individually score higher Atlantic_Med than average , I've seen quite a few. I even saw a North Ossetian get modeled like %15-20 Greek Islander. Dont know why.
I have another result like that if i remember correctly I will post it soon, his surname is kumykov but he gets modelled like %80 Circassian + %20 Anatolian Greek if i remember correctly
RatCat
03-10-2021, 02:39 PM
I have another result like that if i remember correctly I will post it soon, his surname is kumykov but he gets modelled like %80 Circassian + %20 Anatolian Greek if i remember correctly
Found his results but He is probably mixed because he scores less North_Caucasian than me on k36.
He gets modeled like this on k12b
Target: Kumykov
Distance: 1.5170% / 1.51697397 | R3P
69.0 Ossetian
25.0 Greek_Cappadocia
6.0 Pamiri_Ishkashim
Target: Kumykov
Distance: 2.0659% / 2.06592222 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.8 Adyghe
13.7 Greek_Cappadocia
9.7 Abazin
8.7 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.1 Balkan_Gypsy
https://i.imgur.com/PmmTQrU.png
^^^^Interesting how Armenians score higher SW Asian than their neighbours.
^^^^Interesting how Armenians score higher SW Asian than their neighbours.
And it’s not because somehow Arabs colonized the Caspian or mixed with the locals there. The Armenian Levantine, Iranian farmer, and Anatolian ancestors in the Caucasus simply stayed more sheltered than the other inhabitants of the Caspian and Kurdistan and Turkey who were more affected than Armenians by the waves of Central Asian Aryan Iranians and Turco-Mongols. Thus they have less (not none) Central Asian ancestors than Persians, Kurds, and Turks and therefore retained more of their ancient Levantine, Iranian farmer and Anatolian ancestry. That’s the reason they have less northern and eastern ancestry than Kurds from that region
With formal stats even Armenians do show some Central Asian admixture compared to the Chalcolithic inhabitants of the Caspian area. You can see a little of it also in a calculator that doesn’t have a “Caucausus “ component
RatCat
03-11-2021, 08:23 AM
And it’s not because somehow Arabs colonized the Caspian or mixed with the locals there. The Armenian Levantine, Iranian farmer, and Anatolian ancestors in the Caucasus simply stayed more sheltered than the other inhabitants of the Caspian and Kurdistan and Turkey who were more affected than Armenians by the waves of Central Asian Aryan Iranians and Turco-Mongols. Thus they have less (not none) Central Asian ancestors than Persians, Kurds, and Turks and therefore retained more of their ancient Levantine, Iranian farmer and Anatolian ancestry. That’s the reason they have less northern and eastern ancestry than Kurds from that region
With formal stats even Armenians do show some Central Asian admixture compared to the Chalcolithic inhabitants of the Caspian area. You can see a little of it also in a calculator that doesn’t have a “Caucausus “ component
Zoro do you know anything about Chechen-Dagestani origin kurdish tribes from Muş/Turkey? Their tribe names are "Çeçen" and "Lezgi", they are supposed to be the descendents of immigrants that exiled to Turkey after Russo-Circassian war and settled among Kurds, then they got assimilated, now they are speaking Kurdish. Do you have any dna results from that tribe??
I have a result she has Turkish name and surname, she has kurdish matches, she speaks kurdish but She gets modelled like %60-65 Kurdish + %35-40 Dagestani/Chechen. I think she might be from that tribe, i have her gedmatch kit number and some information about her. If you are interested i can send you.
This is how she gets modelled on k12b:
Target: Emine
Distance: 1.3639% / 1.36389434 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Kurd_Adygea
34.9 Kumyk
8.0 Lezgin
6.6 Kuwait2
5.6 Turkmen_TM
Target: Emine
Distance: 1.3268% / 1.32675148 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.3 Iranian
7.1 Kuwait2
Some information about them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_Kurds
Zoro do you know anything about Chechen-Dagestani origin kurdish tribes from Muş/Turkey? Their tribe names are "Çeçen" and "Lezgi", they are supposed to be the descendents of immigrants that exiled to Turkey after Russo-Circassian war and settled among Kurds, then they got assimilated, now they are speaking Kurdish. Do you have any dna results from that tribe??
I have a result she has Turkish name and surname, she has kurdish matches, she speaks kurdish but She gets modelled like %60-65 Kurdish + %35-40 Dagestani/Chechen. I think she might be from that tribe, i have her gedmatch kit number and some information about her. If you are interested i can send you.
This is how she gets modelled on k12b:
Target: Emine
Distance: 1.3639% / 1.36389434 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Kurd_Adygea
34.9 Kumyk
8.0 Lezgin
6.6 Kuwait2
5.6 Turkmen_TM
Target: Emine
Distance: 1.3268% / 1.32675148 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.3 Iranian
7.1 Kuwait2
Some information about them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_Kurds
The first time I heard the name "Lezgin" is when I was a kid and a Kurdish cousin of mine was named "Lezgin". At that time I didn't know there was even people named Lezgin. So when I grew up and got into genetics I found out there are people called Lezgin and Chechen.
So I asked my parents why my cousin was named Lezgin. They said they didn't know but it's just a name. They didn't know there was even a group of people called Lezgin :)
Back to your question. No I didn't know about Chechen-Dagestani origin kurdish tribes from Muş/Turkey with tribe names "Çeçen" and "Lezgi" but I have always been curious about why some Kurds name their kids Lezgin and why in IBS gene to gene comparison why Lezgin show up 1st in Kurmanji Kurds and visa versa.
For example, I am curious why Iraqi Kurds show up 1st for Lezgins in this IBS list and why Armenians and Fars Iranians are so much lower in the list. This list was done using about 350,000 SNPs. Not only that, but if you check Pi-Hat column (based on IBD) Iraqi Kurds by far have the largest IBD with Lezgin.
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IBS with LEZGIN 350k SNPs
IBS
PI_HAT
Kurd-Iraq-WGS
0.85119
0.08
Adygei
0.84888
0.04
Russia_Abkhasian
0.84796
0.00
Chechen
0.84775
0.00
Ossetian-North
0.84755
0.00
Armenian
0.84738
0.00
Georgian
0.84735
0.00
Czech
0.84697
0.00
Greek
0.84693
0.00
Bulgarian
0.84670
0.00
Orcadian
0.84653
0.00
Icelandic
0.84646
0.00
Iranian-Fars
0.84640
0.00
Turkish-Kayseri
0.84633
0.00
Spanish
0.84624
0.00
Basque
0.84620
0.00
Norwegian
0.84620
0.00
Polish
0.84618
0.00
Hungarian
0.84609
0.00
Finnish
0.84607
0.00
Russian
0.84605
0.00
Estonian
0.84593
0.00
English
0.84593
0.00
Albanian.DG
0.84578
0.00
Tuscan
0.84575
0.00
French
0.84569
0.00
Tajik
0.84517
0.00
Jew_Iraqi
0.84504
0.00
Pathan
0.84498
0.00
Sardinian
0.84459
0.00
Kalash
0.84415
0.00
Druze
0.84411
0.00
Saami
0.84405
0.00
Sindhi
0.84390
0.00
Burusho
0.84390
0.00
Tlingit
0.84354
0.00
Brahui
0.84282
0.00
Brahmin
0.84259
0.00
Makrani
0.84235
0.00
Balochi
0.84210
0.00
Jew_Yemenite
0.84207
0.00
Uyghur
0.84203
0.00
Mansi
0.84178
0.00
Hazara
0.84097
0.00
Bengali
0.84096
0.00
Punjabi
0.84096
0.00
Samaritan
0.84095
0.00
BedouinB
0.84069
0.00
Tubalar
0.84003
0.00
Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan
0.84001
0.00
Jordanian
0.83997
0.00
Kapu
0.83959
0.00
Madiga
0.83958
0.00
Mala
0.83910
0.00
Relli
0.83862
0.00
Irula
0.83796
0.00
Mexico_Zapotec.DG
0.83677
0.00
Mixtec
0.83636
0.00
Even
0.83605
0.00
Quechua
0.83587
0.00
Yakut
0.83566
0.00
Burmese
0.83554
0.00
Mongola
0.83540
0.00
Eskimo_Sireniki.DG
0.83525
0.00
Mayan
0.83516
0.00
Tu
0.83506
0.00
Hezhen
0.83501
0.00
Daur
0.83497
0.00
Pima
0.83484
0.00
Xibo
0.83484
0.00
Mixe
0.83472
0.00
Khonda_Dora
0.83442
0.00
Oroqen
0.83435
0.00
Japanese
0.83428
0.00
Korean
0.83419
0.00
Ulchi
0.83418
0.00
Han
0.83414
0.00
Itelmen
0.83399
0.00
Miao
0.83396
0.00
Thai
0.83394
0.00
She
0.83380
0.00
Cambodian
0.83376
0.00
Naxi
0.83351
0.00
Piapoco
0.83349
0.00
Kinh
0.83345
0.00
Tujia
0.83332
0.00
Surui
0.83320
0.00
YANA_UP_WGS
0.83319
0.00
Yi
0.83314
0.00
Kusunda
0.83305
0.00
Dai
0.83304
0.00
China_Lahu
0.83295
0.00
Karitiana
0.83288
0.00
Ami.DG
0.83246
0.00
Dusun
0.83169
0.00
Igorot
0.83165
0.00
Saharawi
0.83035
0.00
Mozabite
0.82886
0.00
Bougainville
0.82646
0.00
Papuan
0.82391
0.00
Somali
0.80977
0.00
Masai
0.80070
0.00
BantuKenya
0.78477
0.00
Luo
0.78437
0.00
Luhya
0.78351
0.00
Gambian
0.78343
0.00
Mandenka
0.78278
0.00
Mende
0.78164
0.00
Esan
0.78116
0.00
Yoruba
0.78052
0.00
Biaka
0.77614
0.00
Mbuti
0.77329
0.00
Ju_hoan_North
0.76765
0.00
Khomani_San
0.76762
0.00
</tbody>
Kaspias
03-11-2021, 12:17 PM
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Which command did you use to run IBS as well as those IBD scores? Couldn't see the tutorial under admixtools.
RatCat
03-11-2021, 12:31 PM
The first time I heard the name "Lezgin" is when I was a kid and a Kurdish cousin of mine was named "Lezgin". At that time I didn't know there was even people named Lezgin. So when I grew up and got into genetics I found out there are people called Lezgin and Chechen.
So I asked my parents why my cousin was named Lezgin. They said they didn't know but it's just a name. They didn't know there was even a group of people called Lezgin :)
Back to your question. No I didn't know about Chechen-Dagestani origin kurdish tribes from Muş/Turkey with tribe names "Çeçen" and "Lezgi" but I have always been curious about why some Kurds name their kids Lezgin and why in IBS gene to gene comparison why Lezgin show up 1st in Kurmanji Kurds and visa versa.
For example, I am curious why Iraqi Kurds show up 1st for Lezgins in this IBS list and why Armenians and Fars Iranians are so much lower in the list. This list was done using about 350,000 SNPs. Not only that, but if you check Pi-Hat column (based on IBD) Iraqi Kurds by far have the largest IBD with Lezgin.
I don't know about IBS but If we exclude Adyghe tribes I'd say there are about 1300-1400 Kurdish families of Dagestani and Chechen origin living in iraq and most of them dont even know their origins they are fully assimilated.
"Within the course of time, it is observed that
families lost their ethnical and cultural characteristics, and adopted common customs
and traditions, as well as common languages (Kurdish and Arabic). Therefore, those
Chechens do not remember anything but
their lost origins regarding their background."
https://i.hizliresim.com/ScKbVj.png
If anyone is interested I will leave a link of an article about it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160305113207/http://www.orsam.org.tr/en/enUploads/Article/Files/20121116_134ingtum.pdf
Which command did you use to run IBS as well as those IBD scores? Couldn't see the tutorial under admixtools.
Actually I ran it using Plink. Here are the steps:
1- Make 2 column ( POP ID) text file of the good samples you want to use in the run, C.txt: ..../plink --bfile MASTER9 --keep C.txt --make-bed --out IBS
2- Use only SNPs overlapping in all samples: /plink --bfile IBS --geno 0.001 --make-bed --out IBS1
3- Calculate IBS using "genome" flag : /plink --bfile IBS1 --genome
4- Your results will be in folder plink.genome
I don't know about IBS but If we exclude Adyghe tribes I'd say there are about 1300-1400 Kurdish families of Dagestani and Chechen origin living in iraq and most of them dont even know their origins they are fully assimilated.
"Within the course of time, it is observed that
families lost their ethnical and cultural characteristics, and adopted common customs
and traditions, as well as common languages (Kurdish and Arabic). Therefore, those
Chechens do not remember anything but
their lost origins regarding their background."
https://i.hizliresim.com/ScKbVj.png
If anyone is interested I will leave a link of an article about it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160305113207/http://www.orsam.org.tr/en/enUploads/Article/Files/20121116_134ingtum.pdf
Very interesting. Most of those areas are Arabs except for Dohuk, Sulemani, Hawler (Arbil) and Kirkuk but that still wouldn't explain why my cousin's name is Lezgin.
Edit: I just noticed that Chechens are no 6 on my IBS list for Iraqi Kurds posted at
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343634-Why-is-the-amount-of-East-Eurasian-ancestry-of-Saamis-and-other-Uralics-underestimate-by-some-here/page3
Just read your linked article about Chechen Kurds. I didn’t know about them
RatCat
03-11-2021, 01:12 PM
Very interesting. Most of those areas are Arabs except for Dohuk, Sulemani, Hawler (Arbil) and Kirkuk but that still wouldn't explain why my cousin's name is Lezgin.
Edit: I just noticed that Chechens are no 6 on my IBS list for Iraqi Kurds posted at
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343634-Why-is-the-amount-of-East-Eurasian-ancestry-of-Saamis-and-other-Uralics-underestimate-by-some-here/page3
Just read your linked article about Chechen Kurds. I didn’t know about them
Most of them dont know about their origins neither :D
"Circassians in Iraq were settled in Diyala, Baghdad, Mosul, Anbar (Fallujah), and Kirkuk
in particular. In addition, families who voluntarily migrated from North and South Dagestan in a short while before and after the forced migration from North Caucasus settled in
Duhok, Erbil and Sulaymaniyah."
I think Circassians mostly settled in Arab majority provinces while Dagestanis (mostly Lezgin) settled in Kurdish majority provinces. Interesting but it seems Circassians are more aware of their origins and preserved it much better than Dagestanis and Chechens.
Most of them dont know about their origins neither :D
"Circassians in Iraq were settled in Diyala, Baghdad, Mosul, Anbar (Fallujah), and Kirkuk
in particular. In addition, families who voluntarily migrated from North and South Dagestan in a short while before and after the forced migration from North Caucasus settled in
Duhok, Erbil and Sulaymaniyah."
I think Circassians mostly settled in Arab majority provinces while Dagestanis (mostly Lezgin) settled in Kurdish majority provinces. Interesting but it seems Circassians are more aware of their origins and preserved it much better than Dagestanis and Chechens.
Yeah growing up i knew up Circassians in Iraq but not Chechens and Lezgins. I also noticed that Adygei are no 3 right after Lezgin and Armenian on the Kurd IBS list I posted in the other thread.
It’s sad and frustrating that Kurds along with other people in the area don’t know much about their ancestors beyond their grand or great grand parents whether it be kurds in Balochistan or kurds in Caucauses or Iraq
All I can go by is mostly genetics which shows Iraqi Kurds with significantly more northern and eastern ancestry than many of their neighbors using IBS and formal stats
Sterling Archer
03-11-2021, 02:12 PM
Interesting but it seems Circassians are more aware of their origins and preserved it much better than Dagestanis and Chechens.
Do you think this might have been due to the fact that the Circassian migration was more wide scale? Bigger communities probably have much higher change of forming close-knit societies and retain cultural and ethnic identity.
RatCat
03-11-2021, 03:46 PM
Do you think this might have been due to the fact that the Circassian migration was more wide scale? Bigger communities probably have much higher change of forming close-knit societies and retain cultural and ethnic identity.
It could be but in that article it says North Caucasians living in Iraq are actually %75 Chechen/Dagestani origin.
"According to the information obtained from North Caucasians in Iraq, it might be suggested that Chechens in Iraq composes approximately 75 percent of North Caucasian population. "
There are 1890 listed North Caucasian families settled in Iraq and 1300-1400 of them have Chechen and Dagestani origins and rest of them are Adyghe.
RatCat
03-11-2021, 03:48 PM
double post
Kaspias
03-11-2021, 05:15 PM
Actually I ran it using Plink. Here are the steps:
1- Make 2 column ( POP ID) text file of the good samples you want to use in the run, C.txt: ..../plink --bfile MASTER9 --keep C.txt --make-bed --out IBS
2- Use only SNPs overlapping in all samples: /plink --bfile IBS --geno 0.001 --make-bed --out IBS1
3- Calculate IBS using "genome" flag : /plink --bfile IBS1 --genome
4- Your results will be in folder plink.genome
It was helpful, thank you.
! 575774 SNPs remain after filtering. 552142 are polymorphic.
https://i.ibb.co/YBKTgY9/kasp2.png
It was helpful, thank you.
! 575774 SNPs remain after filtering. 552142 are polymorphic.
https://i.ibb.co/YBKTgY9/kasp2.png
Great! If you want to filter out very old alleles common to all populations just repeat all the steps except this time do
/plink --bfile IBS --geno 0.001 --max-maf 0.30 --make-bed --out IBS1
This will filter out all minor alleles with frequency greater than 30% in IBS. You'll lose some SNPs but that's ok. The order of the pops will change a little based on more recent ancestry
Kaspias
03-11-2021, 06:10 PM
Great! If you want to filter out very old alleles common to all populations just repeat all the steps except this time do
/plink --bfile IBS --geno 0.001 --max-maf 0.30 --make-bed --out IBS1
This will filter out all minor alleles with frequency greater than 30% in IBS. You'll lose some SNPs but that's ok. The order of the pops will change a little based on more recent ancestry
I think something is wrong here or am I interpreting wrong?
https://i.ibb.co/hZmB4kQ/kaspv2.png
Can you guys stop posting that irrelevant stuff? I understand jack shit about those tables. You can call me stupid but if it ain't Gedmatch or G25, it's basically all Greek to me.
I think something is wrong here or am I interpreting wrong?
https://i.ibb.co/hZmB4kQ/kaspv2.png
1- How many SNPs did you end up with in Plink?
2- Do /plink --bfile IBS1 --missing and tell me if any samples have missing SNPs in plink.imiss
Kaspias
03-11-2021, 06:31 PM
1- How many SNPs did you end up with in Plink?
2- Do /plink --bfile IBS1 --missing and tell me if any samples have missing SNPs in plink.imiss
1-
50 people (0 males, 0 females, 50 ambiguous) loaded from .fam.
Ambiguous sex IDs written to IBS1.nosex .
Using 1 thread (no multithreaded calculations invoked).
Before main variant filters, 49 founders and 1 nonfounder present.
Calculating allele frequencies... done.
Warning: Nonmissing nonmale Y chromosome genotype(s) present; many commands
treat these as missing.
Total genotyping rate is 0.757664.
1032168 variants removed due to missing genotype data (--geno).
192952 variants removed due to minor allele threshold(s)
(--maf/--max-maf/--mac/--max-mac).
353388 variants and 50 people pass filters and QC.
Note: No phenotypes present.
--make-bed to IBS1.bed + IBS1.bim + IBS1.fam ... done.
2-
FID IID MISS_PHENO N_MISS N_GENO F_MISS
Kaspias_FAM Kaspias Y 0 353388 0
Albanian.DG S_Albanian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Altaian.DG S_Altaian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Anatolian_Turkish.DG S_Turkish-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Anatolian_Turkish.DG S_Turkish-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Armenian.DG S_Armenian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Armenian.DG S_Armenian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Bashkir.SG Bashkirs1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Bashkir.SG Bashkirs3.SG Y 0 353388 0
Bulgarian.DG S_Bulgarian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Bulgarian.DG S_Bulgarian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Cretan.DG B_Crete-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Cretan.DG B_Crete-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Eskimo_Chaplin.DG S_Eskimo_Chaplin-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Estonian.DG S_Estonian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Estonian.DG S_Estonian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Hungarian.DG S_Hungarian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Hungarian.DG S_Hungarian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Iranian.DG S_Iranian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Iranian.DG S_Iranian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan.DG S_Kyrgyz-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan.DG S_Kyrgyz-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Mongola.DG S_Mongola-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Mongola.DG S_Mongola-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Polish.DG S_Polish-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Russian.DG S_Russian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Russian.DG S_Russian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Saami.DG S_Saami-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Saami.DG S_Saami-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Sardinian.DG B_Sardinian-3.DG Y 0 353388 0
Sardinian.DG S_Sardinian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Sardinian.DG S_Sardinian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Greek.DG S_Greek-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Greek.DG S_Greek-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Tuscan.DG S_Tuscan-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Tuscan.DG S_Tuscan-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Tajik.SG Tadjik.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tajik.SG Tajiks1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tajik.SG Tajiks3.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Tomsk.SG TomskTatars1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Tomsk.SG TomskTatars2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Volga.SG VolgaTatars1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Volga.SG VolgaTatars2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Turkmen.SG Turkmens1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Turkmen.SG Turkmens2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Uyghur.DG S_Uygur-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Uyghur.DG S_Uygur-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Uzbek.SG Uzbeks1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Uzbek.SG Uzbeks2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Uzbek.SG Uzbeks3.SG Y 0 353388 0
1-
50 people (0 males, 0 females, 50 ambiguous) loaded from .fam.
Ambiguous sex IDs written to IBS1.nosex .
Using 1 thread (no multithreaded calculations invoked).
Before main variant filters, 49 founders and 1 nonfounder present.
Calculating allele frequencies... done.
Warning: Nonmissing nonmale Y chromosome genotype(s) present; many commands
treat these as missing.
Total genotyping rate is 0.757664.
1032168 variants removed due to missing genotype data (--geno).
192952 variants removed due to minor allele threshold(s)
(--maf/--max-maf/--mac/--max-mac).
353388 variants and 50 people pass filters and QC.
Note: No phenotypes present.
--make-bed to IBS1.bed + IBS1.bim + IBS1.fam ... done.
2-
FID IID MISS_PHENO N_MISS N_GENO F_MISS
Kaspias_FAM Kaspias Y 0 353388 0
Albanian.DG S_Albanian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Altaian.DG S_Altaian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Anatolian_Turkish.DG S_Turkish-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Anatolian_Turkish.DG S_Turkish-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Armenian.DG S_Armenian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Armenian.DG S_Armenian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Bashkir.SG Bashkirs1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Bashkir.SG Bashkirs3.SG Y 0 353388 0
Bulgarian.DG S_Bulgarian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Bulgarian.DG S_Bulgarian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Cretan.DG B_Crete-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Cretan.DG B_Crete-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Eskimo_Chaplin.DG S_Eskimo_Chaplin-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Estonian.DG S_Estonian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Estonian.DG S_Estonian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Hungarian.DG S_Hungarian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Hungarian.DG S_Hungarian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Iranian.DG S_Iranian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Iranian.DG S_Iranian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan.DG S_Kyrgyz-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan.DG S_Kyrgyz-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Mongola.DG S_Mongola-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Mongola.DG S_Mongola-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Polish.DG S_Polish-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Russian.DG S_Russian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Russian.DG S_Russian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Saami.DG S_Saami-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Saami.DG S_Saami-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Sardinian.DG B_Sardinian-3.DG Y 0 353388 0
Sardinian.DG S_Sardinian-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Sardinian.DG S_Sardinian-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Greek.DG S_Greek-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Greek.DG S_Greek-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Tuscan.DG S_Tuscan-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
S_Tuscan.DG S_Tuscan-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Tajik.SG Tadjik.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tajik.SG Tajiks1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tajik.SG Tajiks3.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Tomsk.SG TomskTatars1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Tomsk.SG TomskTatars2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Volga.SG VolgaTatars1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Tatar_Volga.SG VolgaTatars2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Turkmen.SG Turkmens1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Turkmen.SG Turkmens2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Uyghur.DG S_Uygur-1.DG Y 0 353388 0
Uyghur.DG S_Uygur-2.DG Y 0 353388 0
Uzbek.SG Uzbeks1.SG Y 0 353388 0
Uzbek.SG Uzbeks2.SG Y 0 353388 0
Uzbek.SG Uzbeks3.SG Y 0 353388 0
No of SNPs is ok and no samples have missing SNPs. Are you sure you converted your FTDNA data properly? If yes, then i suspect it’s ascertainment bias because the company that genotyped you used a drastically different set of SNPs than Simons. Too bad you don’t have WGS. Nebula or Sequencing.com does WGS for only like $79 it’s totally worth it for you to do it on yourself
For now disregard max-maf 0.3 to minimize bias
Edit: I just remembered Plink does screw up allele order so max-maf may be affected. I normally import alleles into bim using my Hg19 reference genome using a script that i made
Kaspias
03-11-2021, 07:06 PM
Edit: I just remembered Plink does screw up allele order so max-maf may be affected. I normally import alleles into bim using my Hg19 reference genome using a script that i made
This explains then
Komintasavalta
03-11-2021, 08:00 PM
How can I convert the Reich dataset to bed+bim+fam? Or is there a preconverted version of it? Or what other dataset should I use with plink? I was able to create a .bed file like this:
$ echo 'genotypename: g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public.geno
snpname: g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public.snp
indivname: g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public.ind
outputformat: PACKEDPED
genotypeoutname: example.bed
snpoutname: example.snp
indivoutname: example.ind'>parfile
$ convertf -p parfile
But how do I get the .bim and .fam?
I looked up the format of the parfile here: https://github.com/DReichLab/AdmixTools/tree/master/convertf. I couldn't get convertf to compile, but there was an old Mac binary here: https://github.com/chrchang/eigensoft.
Edit: The answer was to just change the filename extension of the snpoutname and indivoutname lines :picard2:. Sorry for OT.
f=g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public;o=${f##*/};convertf -p <(printf %s\\n genotypename:\ $f.geno snpname:\ $f.snp indivname:\ $f.ind outputformat:\ PACKEDPED genotypeoutname:\ $o.bed snpoutname:\ $o.bim indivoutname:\ $o.fam)
Can you please stop with this gibberish? Zoro, the Komi larper, all of you. It's fucking spam by this thread's standards! Kyp is a poor custodian of Dodecad K12b but I'm a true believer.
Lucas
03-11-2021, 08:16 PM
Can you please stop with this gibberish? Zoro, the Komi larper, all of you. It's fucking spam by this thread's standards! Kyp is a poor custodian of Dodecad K12b but I'm a true believer.
Ok I will delete my post now, as Komintasavalta must read it as gave me thumb.
Ok I will delete my post now, as Komintasavalta must read it as gave me thumb.
One post of yours is okay, it's mainly Zoro and unfortunately Kaspias who started this. By the way, check that thread, there's some minor renaming request.
How can I convert the Reich dataset to bed+bim+fam? Or is there a preconverted version of it? Or what other dataset should I use with plink? I was able to create a .bed file like this:
$ echo 'genotypename: g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public.geno
snpname: g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public.snp
indivname: g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public.ind
outputformat: PACKEDPED
genotypeoutname: example.bed
snpoutname: example.snp
indivoutname: example.ind'>parfile
$ convertf -p parfile
But how do I get the .bim and .fam?
I looked up the format of the parfile here: https://github.com/DReichLab/AdmixTools/tree/master/convertf. I couldn't get convertf to compile, but there was an old Mac binary here: https://github.com/chrchang/eigensoft.
Edit: The answer was to just change the filename extension of the snpoutname and indivoutname lines :picard2:. Sorry for OT.
f=g/v44.3_1240K_public/v44.3_1240K_public;o=${f##*/};convertf -p <(printf %s\\n genotypename:\ $f.geno snpname:\ $f.snp indivname:\ $f.ind outputformat:\ PACKEDPED genotypeoutname:\ $o.bed snpoutname:\ $o.bim indivoutname:\ $o.fam)
I'll answer this in a new thread called "Plink questions" https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343735-Plink-related-questions
where you can post anything Plink related such as IBS or FST
Dr_Maul
03-12-2021, 01:01 PM
:focus:
Armenian. Relatively homogenous besides NA which may or may not be an error
Gedrosia 17.55 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.54 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.65 Pct
North_European 4.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 48.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Minasian
Distance: 1.2448% / 1.24479458 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.4 Armenian_West
25.3 Armenian_East
11.0 Udi
3.4 Algerian
0.9 Sardinian
Target: Minasian
Distance: 1.2841% / 1.28406085 | R3P
90.7 Armenian_West
5.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
3.4 Algerian
Altaylı
03-12-2021, 01:13 PM
Uzbek from khwarazm/Hive
Gedrosia 14 91 Pct
Siberian 12.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.86 Pct
North_European 17 Pct
South_Asian 5.61 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.56 Pct
East_Asian 18.19 Pct
Caucasus 15.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Uzbek
Distance: 2.0487% / 2.04870677 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.7 Uzbeki
11.0 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
8.7 Spanish_Basque
4.9 Kuwait2
3.0 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha
1.7 Balkan_Gypsy
Distance to: Uzbek
8.39176978 Turkmen_Afghanistan
8.67761488 Uzbeki
9.48835075 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
11.68350547 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.02058255 Nogai_Stavropol
15.84594901 Turkmen_Iran
16.72250878 Karakalpak
16.88122034 Uyghur
18.56209309 Lipka_Tatar
18.71440889 Nogai_Astrakhan
18.84798132 Hazara
18.92308114 Tajik_Mountain
20.54656419 Turkmen_TM
20.70007729 Bashkir_South
21.37961880 Tatar_Siberia
21.51706532 Tajik_Lowland
23.14635608 Nogai
23.83524072 Kazakh
24.01523683 Turk_Northwest
24.80595291 Bashkir_Central
25.22824806 Tajik_Herat
25.39767706 Turk_Southwest
25.59910741 Kyrgyz_Pamir
25.82324147 Tubalar
25.85011412 Yagnobi
RatCat
03-12-2021, 01:34 PM
I dont know the exact ethnicity she has Trabzon and Kurdish matches
Population
Gedrosia 19.38 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Northwest_African 1.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.15 Pct
North_European 7.07 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.56 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: zey
3.64210104 Turk_Ahiska
4.63277455 Armenian_East
5.82734073 Udi
5.97364211 Turk_East
6.52523563 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.12155180 Hemshin
7.67542833 Laz
7.84921652 Armenian_West
8.04954657 Greek_Pontus
8.95989397 Georgian
9.09461379 Georgian_Adjara
10.50093329 Azeri_Jew
10.54458155 Assyrian_North
10.55650510 Zaza
10.66811136 Georgian_Imereti
10.72851807 Abkhazian
10.85923570 Assyrian_West
11.07324252 Assyrian_South
11.28805563 Georgian_Gurian
11.65186251 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.67823189 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.66310388 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.71001967 Kurd_Adygea
12.88185157 Turk_Central_East
12.91493709 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: zey
Distance: 1.2376% / 1.23763495 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.3 Turk_Ahiska
14.2 Udi
11.7 Armenian_West
2.8 Algerian
Target: zey
Distance: 1.9179% / 1.91788782 | R2P
57.5 Udi
42.5 Laz
Target: zey
Distance: 1.4174% / 1.41738712 | R3P
82.0 Turk_Ahiska
10.9 Kurd_Adygea
7.1 Morocco_Jews
Target: zey
Distance: 0.9789% / 0.97890193 | R4P
62.3 Laz
21.9 Kurd_Adygea
12.5 Ingush
3.3 Algerian
I dont know the exact ethnicity she has Trabzon and Kurdish matches
Population
Gedrosia 19.38 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Northwest_African 1.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.15 Pct
North_European 7.07 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.56 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: zey
3.64210104 Turk_Ahiska
4.63277455 Armenian_East
5.82734073 Udi
5.97364211 Turk_East
6.52523563 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.12155180 Hemshin
7.67542833 Laz
7.84921652 Armenian_West
8.04954657 Greek_Pontus
8.95989397 Georgian
9.09461379 Georgian_Adjara
10.50093329 Azeri_Jew
10.54458155 Assyrian_North
10.55650510 Zaza
10.66811136 Georgian_Imereti
10.72851807 Abkhazian
10.85923570 Assyrian_West
11.07324252 Assyrian_South
11.28805563 Georgian_Gurian
11.65186251 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.67823189 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.66310388 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.71001967 Kurd_Adygea
12.88185157 Turk_Central_East
12.91493709 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: zey
Distance: 1.2376% / 1.23763495 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.3 Turk_Ahiska
14.2 Udi
11.7 Armenian_West
2.8 Algerian
Target: zey
Distance: 1.9179% / 1.91788782 | R2P
57.5 Udi
42.5 Laz
Target: zey
Distance: 1.4174% / 1.41738712 | R3P
82.0 Turk_Ahiska
10.9 Kurd_Adygea
7.1 Morocco_Jews
Target: zey
Distance: 0.9789% / 0.97890193 | R4P
62.3 Laz
21.9 Kurd_Adygea
12.5 Ingush
3.3 Algerian
Looks like from somwhere around Erzurum
Found these two guys, the former seems to be an adoptee but fully Uzbek, the latter is also some kind of Central Asian Muslim
Gedrosia 18.67 Pct
Siberian 14.71 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.57 Pct
North_European 15.63 Pct
South_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.38 Pct
East_Asian 23.31 Pct
Caucasus 12.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: JO
6.24229125 Uzbeki
7.04315980 Uzbek
8.26203365 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.22592001 Uyghur
10.70550326 Hazara
11.68885366 Nogai_Stavropol
12.37312006 Karakalpak
13.64749794 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.89548678 Nogai_Astrakhan
17.77194700 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
Distance to: JO
2.07195086 81.20% Hazara + 18.80% Moldavian_North
2.10422529 18.40% Bosnian + 81.60% Hazara
2.13839176 18.20% Croat + 81.80% Hazara
2.16166959 80.60% Hazara + 19.40% Moldavian_Center
2.30351572 80.80% Hazara + 19.20% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
2.31387609 81.20% Hazara + 18.80% Serb
2.32409584 82.40% Hazara + 17.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.38125187 81.80% Hazara + 18.20% Hungarian
2.38449259 81.80% Hazara + 18.20% Hungarian_Transdanubia_Budapest
2.38940945 82.20% Hazara + 17.80% Hungarian_North
Target: JO
Distance: 0.9717% / 0.97172012 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.3 Hazara
26.0 Uzbeki
12.8 Uzbek
9.1 Irish
7.5 Uyghur
0.3 Tubalar
O3a
U5a2
Gedrosia 18.26 Pct
Siberian 10.77 Pct
Northwest_African 0.39 Pct
Southeast_Asian 2.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.52 Pct
North_European 14.74 Pct
South_Asian 7.47 Pct
East_African 0.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.25 Pct
East_Asian 19.07 Pct
Caucasus 16.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Furkat
4.97814222 Uzbek
7.74710268 Uzbeki
9.02909741 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.28269357 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.94779248 Turkmen_Iran
14.98895593 Uyghur
16.15245802 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
16.55154676 Nogai_Stavropol
16.59305276 Hazara
16.81242993 Tajik_Mountain
Distance to: Furkat
4.08183392 4.80% Sardinian + 95.20% Uzbek
4.25901694 4.20% Spanish_Basque + 95.80% Uzbek
4.27664800 8.20% Balkan_Gypsy + 91.80% Uzbek
4.31440538 4.80% Spanish_Asturias + 95.20% Uzbek
4.33772545 4.60% Spanish_La_Rioja + 95.40% Uzbek
4.34404472 4.40% French_Southwest + 95.60% Uzbek
4.35365738 4.60% Spanish_Aragon + 95.40% Uzbek
4.37257452 4.80% Spanish_Andalusia + 95.20% Uzbek
4.38967256 5.20% French_Corsica + 94.80% Uzbek
4.39963378 4.40% Spanish_Cantabria + 95.60% Uzbek
Target: Furkat
Distance: 2.5223% / 2.52228040 | ADC: 0.25x RC
82.2 Uzbek
8.2 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha
5.9 Sardinian
3.7 Tajik_Kabul
A new kit on a big Balkar account (BalkarianDNA)
G2a1
Gedrosia 18.71 Pct
Siberian 4.24 Pct
Northwest_African 0.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.64 Pct
North_European 14.51 Pct
South_Asian 1.96 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.99 Pct
East_Asian 2.01 Pct
Caucasus 49.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Soslan
3.63031679 Ossetian
3.73409962 Ossetian_South
4.53436875 Adyghe
6.24472577 Karachay
6.69873869 Circassian
7.28839489 Abkhazian
7.63249632 Abazin
7.81819033 Balkar
7.84709500 Ingush
9.91697535 Kabardin
Target: Soslan
Distance: 1.6372% / 1.63719823 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.5 Ossetian
17.0 Abkhazian
8.5 Ossetian_South
6.8 Georgian_Adjara
3.2 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
Target: Soslan
Distance: 2.8971% / 2.89710302 | ADC: 1x RC
51.9 Ossetian
48.1 Ossetian_South
RatCat
03-13-2021, 11:53 AM
Found 5 Central Black Sea Turks with haplogroup C3 and C-F3393, some of them might be shared before I'll just post 2 of them if anyone interested i can send kit numbers. Not all of them are relatives btw.
Y-Dna: C-F3393
Population
Gedrosia 16.36 Pct
Siberian 6.32 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.71 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.54 Pct
North_European 10.13 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.81 Pct
East_Asian 5.31 Pct
Caucasus 38.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ziya
2.96246519 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.48737724 Turk_South
4.30943152 Turk_Central_West
4.63071269 Turk_Central_East
5.18222925 Turk_Southwest
5.49935451 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.93584890 Turk_Southeast
7.39988513 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.67040416 Turk_Northwest
7.97065242 Azerbaijani
9.48052741 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.72438343 Turk_East
11.44439164 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.37696247 Kabardin
12.65005534 Udi
12.72473182 Abazin
12.79849210 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.99537610 Zaza
13.53972304 Circassian
13.54640543 Iraq_Turkmen
13.95177766 Kumyk
14.01697542 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.15515454 Karachay
14.19548168 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.44301907 Yazidi
Target: Ziya
Distance: 2.0364% / 2.03639910 | R2P
92.0 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.0 Tajik_Mountain
Target: Ziya
Distance: 1.6831% / 1.68310589 | R3P
89.5 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.2 Tajik_Lowland
2.3 Sardinian
Y-DNA: C3
Population
Gedrosia 13.71 Pct
Siberian 6.06 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.21 Pct
North_European 9.07 Pct
South_Asian 2.04 Pct
East_African 0.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.93 Pct
East_Asian 4.92 Pct
Caucasus 40.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: ***
2.41588493 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.55057742 Turk_Central_East
4.32658064 Turk_South
4.57839492 Turk_Central_West
6.30182513 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.97213741 Turk_Southeast
6.97832358 Turk_Southwest
8.13872226 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.05161312 Turk_East
9.12404516 Azerbaijani
9.59432124 Turk_Northwest
10.48932314 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.03439238 Udi
12.52665558 Turk_Cyprus
13.10700958 Armenian_East
13.13701640 Greek_Cappadocia
13.18179426 Zaza
13.30523205 Iraq_Turkmen
13.37722318 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.54321971 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.85895739 Abazin
13.98398012 Kabardin
14.16425430 Nusayri_Turkey
14.41802344 Circassian
14.44871275 Armenian_West
Target: ***
Distance: 1.8188% / 1.81877192 | R2P
89.1 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.9 Greek_Cappadocia
Target: ***
Distance: 1.2704% / 1.27039586 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.7 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.5 Greek_Cappadocia
5.9 Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.8 Dolgan
1.1 Nihali
Kaspias
03-13-2021, 05:44 PM
Turkish from Denizli.
The guy has no Anatolian Turk match, weirdly, but matching with 4 Turkish from Thrace(Kardzhali & Komotini)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.92
2 North_European 13.02
3 Gedrosia 12.97
4 Atlantic_Med 11.97
5 Southwest_Asian 10.74
6 East_Asian 9.62
7 Siberian 6.18
8 Northwest_African 2.03
9 South_Asian 0.39
10 East_African 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.68
2 Turks (Behar) 14.7
3 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 16.13
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.42
5 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 19.37
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.99
7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.77
8 Lebanese (Behar) 20.77
9 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.88
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 21.07
11 Iranian (Dodecad) 21.28
12 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 21.66
13 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.67
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.96
15 Greek (Dodecad) 22.39
16 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.43
17 Iranians (Behar) 22.96
18 Syrians (Behar) 23.15
19 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.35
20 Cypriots (Behar) 23.78
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 46.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.51
2 66.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 33.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.75
3 71.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 28.3% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.22
4 72.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 27.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.49
5 60.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 6.65
6 59.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 40.5% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.74
7 67.2% Turks (Behar) + 32.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.86
8 52.4% Druze (HGDP) + 47.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.1
9 60.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.6% Syrians (Behar) @ 7.15
10 61.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 38.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 7.26
11 60.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 39.7% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.26
12 57.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 42.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.26
13 72.4% Turks (Behar) + 27.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.3
14 56.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 43.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.33
15 58.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 41.2% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.35
16 58.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 41.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 7.36
17 64.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 35.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 7.52
18 81.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 18.9% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.64
19 57.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 42.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 7.64
20 73.3% Turks (Behar) + 26.7% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.71
Distance to: X
5.11360929 Turk_Southwest
5.25075233 Turk_Northwest
7.37704548 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.76381994 Turk_South
8.03546514 Turk_Central_West
9.13168659 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.75094414 Turk_Central_East
11.66740331 Turk_Southeast
12.01799068 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.21050340 Azerbaijani
13.86271979 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.34177465 Turkmen_Iran
14.96832990 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.88061397 Kabardin
16.39590193 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.40913160 Nogai
16.79484742 Turkmen_TM
16.92130314 Abazin
17.03478500 Turk_Cyprus
17.06045134 Kumyk
17.41686826 Greek_Crete
17.57102160 Greek_Fournoi
17.75294623 Turk_East
17.85725063 Circassian
17.89267168 Greek_Lemnos
Distance to: X
3.82474608 64.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 35.60% Karakhanid_DA204
4.03244172 67.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 32.60% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.47065969 46.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 53.60% Kipchak_DA179
4.52567578 55.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 44.80% Uzbeki
4.61514702 60.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 39.60% Karluk_DA230
4.67821533 53.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 46.80% Uzbek
4.83139696 54.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 45.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.90788531 58.00% Greek_Rhodes + 42.00% Uzbeki
4.92605290 59.00% Greek_Kos + 41.00% Uzbeki
4.96194223 54.40% Greek_Cypriot + 45.60% Uzbeki
5.08721127 61.00% Greek_Cappadocia + 39.00% Ottoman_MA2195
5.13276934 52.60% Greek_Cypriot + 47.40% Uzbek
5.17394878 53.60% Greek_Cypriot + 46.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.24404745 39.60% Greek_Icaria + 60.40% Turkmen_Iran
5.25901214 44.40% Greek_Fournoi + 55.60% Turkmen_Iran
5.27226646 64.00% Greek_Cypriot + 36.00% Karakhanid_DA204
5.30558572 67.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 32.40% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385
5.30604564 62.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 37.40% Karakalpak
5.34689551 68.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 31.40% Tubalar
5.34705809 38.40% Hazar-Bulgar_DA142 + 61.60% Armenian_West
5.43680517 43.00% Greek_Kos + 57.00% Turkmen_Iran
5.44848083 59.80% Greek_Cypriot + 40.20% Karluk_DA230
5.47897743 44.40% Greek_Crete + 55.60% Turkmen_Iran
5.49994499 30.80% Altaian_Chelkan + 69.20% Greek_Cappadocia
5.50916213 58.20% Greek_Kos + 41.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
Turkish from Denizli.
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Huge Mongoloid input, ~16%.
Some kind of Iranian (I found him looking for Germans :D)
Gedrosia 23.42 Pct
Siberian 3.9 Pct
Northwest_African 1.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.66 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.59 Pct
North_European 9.57 Pct
South_Asian 5.89 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 38.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.33 Pct
Distance to: nasrin
5.91325629 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.26269111 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.91073079 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.99650627 Azerbaijani
7.16236693 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.33694759 Kurd_Adygea
7.48207859 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.57138032 Yazidi
7.63361644 Iranian
7.70681517 Zaza
Distance to: nasrin
3.39591047 66.60% Iranian_Fars + 33.40% Ossetian
3.48677170 65.60% Iranian_Fars + 34.40% Karachay
3.50579133 34.60% Abazin + 65.40% Iranian_Fars
3.54492849 34.80% Adyghe + 65.20% Iranian_Fars
3.60894075 33.60% Circassian + 66.40% Iranian_Fars
3.61308047 24.80% Kho + 75.20% Turk_East
3.66027301 68.40% Armenian_East + 31.60% Kho
3.70046133 24.00% Nuristani + 76.00% Turk_East
3.76910613 23.60% Kalash + 76.40% Turk_East
3.80981991 22.00% Kho + 78.00% Udi
Target: nasrin
Distance: 1.6730% / 1.67297677 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
20.5 Chechen
11.3 Iraq_Turkmen
7.3 Parsi_India
2.7 Bhunjia
2.6 Dolgan
Altaylı
03-13-2021, 07:41 PM
Turkish from Denizli.
The guy has no Anatolian Turk match, weirdly, but matching with 4 Turkish from Thrace(Kardzhali & Komotini)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.92
2 North_European 13.02
3 Gedrosia 12.97
4 Atlantic_Med 11.97
5 Southwest_Asian 10.74
6 East_Asian 9.62
7 Siberian 6.18
8 Northwest_African 2.03
9 South_Asian 0.39
10 East_African 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.68
2 Turks (Behar) 14.7
3 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 16.13
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.42
5 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 19.37
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.99
7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.77
8 Lebanese (Behar) 20.77
9 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.88
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 21.07
11 Iranian (Dodecad) 21.28
12 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 21.66
13 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.67
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.96
15 Greek (Dodecad) 22.39
16 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.43
17 Iranians (Behar) 22.96
18 Syrians (Behar) 23.15
19 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.35
20 Cypriots (Behar) 23.78
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 46.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.51
2 66.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 33.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.75
3 71.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 28.3% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.22
4 72.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 27.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.49
5 60.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 6.65
6 59.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 40.5% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.74
7 67.2% Turks (Behar) + 32.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.86
8 52.4% Druze (HGDP) + 47.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.1
9 60.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.6% Syrians (Behar) @ 7.15
10 61.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 38.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 7.26
11 60.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 39.7% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.26
12 57.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 42.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.26
13 72.4% Turks (Behar) + 27.6% Uygur (HGDP) @ 7.3
14 56.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 43.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.33
15 58.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 41.2% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.35
16 58.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 41.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 7.36
17 64.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 35.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 7.52
18 81.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 18.9% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.64
19 57.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 42.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 7.64
20 73.3% Turks (Behar) + 26.7% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.71
Distance to: X
5.11360929 Turk_Southwest
5.25075233 Turk_Northwest
7.37704548 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.76381994 Turk_South
8.03546514 Turk_Central_West
9.13168659 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.75094414 Turk_Central_East
11.66740331 Turk_Southeast
12.01799068 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.21050340 Azerbaijani
13.86271979 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.34177465 Turkmen_Iran
14.96832990 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.88061397 Kabardin
16.39590193 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.40913160 Nogai
16.79484742 Turkmen_TM
16.92130314 Abazin
17.03478500 Turk_Cyprus
17.06045134 Kumyk
17.41686826 Greek_Crete
17.57102160 Greek_Fournoi
17.75294623 Turk_East
17.85725063 Circassian
17.89267168 Greek_Lemnos
Distance to: X
3.82474608 64.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 35.60% Karakhanid_DA204
4.03244172 67.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 32.60% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.47065969 46.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 53.60% Kipchak_DA179
4.52567578 55.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 44.80% Uzbeki
4.61514702 60.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 39.60% Karluk_DA230
4.67821533 53.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 46.80% Uzbek
4.83139696 54.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 45.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.90788531 58.00% Greek_Rhodes + 42.00% Uzbeki
4.92605290 59.00% Greek_Kos + 41.00% Uzbeki
4.96194223 54.40% Greek_Cypriot + 45.60% Uzbeki
5.08721127 61.00% Greek_Cappadocia + 39.00% Ottoman_MA2195
5.13276934 52.60% Greek_Cypriot + 47.40% Uzbek
5.17394878 53.60% Greek_Cypriot + 46.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.24404745 39.60% Greek_Icaria + 60.40% Turkmen_Iran
5.25901214 44.40% Greek_Fournoi + 55.60% Turkmen_Iran
5.27226646 64.00% Greek_Cypriot + 36.00% Karakhanid_DA204
5.30558572 67.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 32.40% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385
5.30604564 62.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 37.40% Karakalpak
5.34689551 68.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 31.40% Tubalar
5.34705809 38.40% Hazar-Bulgar_DA142 + 61.60% Armenian_West
5.43680517 43.00% Greek_Kos + 57.00% Turkmen_Iran
5.44848083 59.80% Greek_Cypriot + 40.20% Karluk_DA230
5.47897743 44.40% Greek_Crete + 55.60% Turkmen_Iran
5.49994499 30.80% Altaian_Chelkan + 69.20% Greek_Cappadocia
5.50916213 58.20% Greek_Kos + 41.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
16% east eurasia:thumb001:
Probably i will score between 10-12% but i am not sure
I will do DNA test soon Allah'ın izniyle
Kaspias
03-13-2021, 07:43 PM
16% east eurasia:thumb001:
Probably i will score between 10-12% but i am not sure
I will do DNA test soon Allah'ın izniyle
:D :D
I was expecting 2-3% for myself as well as the E-V13.
https://i.imgur.com/BpLPxet.png
https://i.imgur.com/E7gtd50.png
Afghanistan aka Aryana is excluded? Just don't tell 'em they're South Asians. :swl
Afghanistan aka Aryana is excluded? Just don't tell 'em they're South Asians. :swl
Tried to include it but gave up halfway through. Just too complex.
önceki tartışmanızın nerede geçtiğini veya ne olduğunu gram bilmiyorum pek umrumda da değil fakat diğer arkadaşın gördüğüm diğer postlarında hep türkiye türklüğü ile alakalı yorumlarını hatırlıyorum daha bugün ziya gökalpten bahsetmişti. beni alıntıladığı yorumda da doğu avrasya oranı hiç olmasa veya az olsa bile muğladan ığdıra kadar yaşayan herkes gibi türksün derken bunu kastetmek istedi bence. eğer şuan dediğini kastedip tatarları türk olarak görmüyorsa haklısın.
Demek ki yanlış hatırlıyorsun konu Türkiye'deki Türklerle alakalı bir konu değildi
Hazaras are descendants of the Ilkhanate. They don’t speak a Turkic language and are literally Iranified Mongols, also genetically. They could have absorbed Turkic elements which don’t make them Turkic. No serious historian would say that Hazaras are of Turkic origin, putting everyone in Central Asia into your own ethnic sphere is a foolish behavior. This is a thread about West/Centralasia which includes many ethnicities, so i think if someone is interested to give a opinion or whatever it should be in English since many non West/Centralasian are interested in this thread too. I think talking in a language which most here don’t understand is a bit unfair, since most non-English postings here are off topic. I think members who are active here on this thread can confirm that i have at least a basic information about most people whom results are showed here. And if someone is not agreeing with another’s opinion or posting everyone here is able to discuss with serious members. It is annoying that every 10 pages this guy is talking nonsense and some even are responding.
'-'
Hazaralar Türklerle karıştığı için Türki kavimlere yakınlar
Hazaralar moğol kökenli bir halk
Hazaralar tek bir kökenden gelmemekte bunu Y-DNA Haplogruplarına mTDNA Haplogruplarına ve genetik plotlarına bakıp söylemek için alim olmana gerek yok sadece aşiret adlarına bakarak da ne olduklarını anlayabiliyorsun ayrıca şunu da ekleyeyim:
Myres et al. (2011), Di Cristofaro et al. (2013), and Lippold et al. (2014) all agree that the Y-DNA of 32% (8/25) of the HGDP sample of Pakistani Hazara should belong to haplogroup R-M478/M73. Myres et al. (2011) found a high frequency of R-M73 among their sample of Bashkirs from southeast Bashkortostan (77/329 = 23.4% R1b-M73) Besides the high frequency of R-M73 in southeastern Bashkirs, Myres et al. also reported finding R-M73 in the following samples: 10.3% (14/136) of Balkars from the northwest Caucasus, 9.4% (8/85) of the HGDP samples from northern Pakistan (these are the aforementioned Pakistani Hazaras), 5.8% (4/69) of Karachays from the northwest Caucasus, 2.6% (1/39) of Tatars from Bashkortostan, 1.9% (1/54) of Bashkirs from southwest Bashkortostan, 1.5% (1/67) of Megrels from the south Caucasus, 1.4% (1/70) of Bashkirs from north Bashkortostan, 1.3% (1/80) of Tatars from Kazan, 1.1% (1/89) of a sample from Cappadocia, Turkey, 0.7% (1/141) of Kabardians from the northwest Caucasus, 0.6% (3/522) of a pool of samples from Turkey, and 0.38% (1/263) of Russians from Central Russia.
Karafet et al. (2018) found R-M73 in 37.5% (15/40) of a sample of Teleuts from Bekovo, Kemerovo oblast, 4.5% (3/66) of a sample of Uyghurs from Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, 3.4% (1/29) of a sample of Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, 2.3% (3/129) of a sample of Selkups, 2.3% (1/44) of a sample of Turkmens from Turkmenistan, and 0.7% (1/136) of a sample of Iranians from Iran.[53] Four of these individuals (one of the Teleuts, one of the Uyghurs, the Kazakh, and the Iranian) appear to belong to the aforementioned cluster marked by DYS390=19 (the Kumandin-Mongol R-M73 cluster); the Teleut and the Uyghur also share the modal values at the DYS385 and the DYS389 loci. The Iranian differs from the modal for this cluster by having 13-16 (or 13-29) at DYS389 instead of 14-16 (or 14-30). The Kazakh differs from the modal by having 13–14 at DYS385 instead of 13-13. The other fourteen Teleuts and the three Selkups appear to belong to the Teleut-Shor-Khakassian R-M73 cluster from the data set of Malyarchuk et al. (2011); this cluster has the modal values of DYS390=22 (but 21 in the case of two Teleuts and one Khakassian), DYS385=13-16, and DYS389=13-17 (or 13–30, but 14–31 in the case of one Selkup).
A Kazakhstani paper published in 2017 Ashirbekov EE, Botbaev DM, Belkozhaev AM, Abayldaev AO, Neupokoeva AS, Mukhataev JE, et al. (2017). "Distribution of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups of the Kazakh from the South Kazakhstan, Zhambyl, and Almaty Regions". Reports of the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan. 6 (316): 85–95. ISSN 2224-5227 found haplogroup R1b-M478 Y-DNA in 3.17% (41/1294) of a sample of Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, with this haplogroup being observed with greater than average frequency among members of the Qypshaq(Kıpçak) (12/29 = 41.4%), Ysty (6/57 = 10.5%), Qongyrat (8/95 = 8.4%), Oshaqty (2/29 = 6.9%), Kerey (1/28 = 3.6%), and Jetyru (3/86 = 3.5%) tribes.[54] A Chinese paper published in 2018 found haplogroup R1b-M478 Y-DNA in 9.2% (7/76) of a sample of Dolan Uyghurs from Horiqol township, Awat County, Xinjiang.
Aşiret adları: Telew(Tiele), Qarlugh(Karluk, Qarluq), Turkmani(Turkoman, Turkmen), Uighur(Uygur), Yamood(Yomut), Qul Bars, Kyrgyz(Kırgız), Qazaq(Kazakh), Qipchak(Kıpchak)... vs
Kavim olarak Turco-Mongol(Türk-Moğol) olarak geçiyorlar çoğunun atası ya Moğol ya Türk onlara
"Literally Iranified Mongols"
demek Türkün adına bok sürmekten başka bir şey değildir
No serious historian would say that Hazaras are of Turkic origin
Historians lie genetics don't lie
Putting everyone in Central Asia into your own ethnic sphere is a foolish behavior.
Yeah yeah they were AAALLLLLLL Indo-Europeans and Mongols right ?
https://i.ibb.co/tQj5bmf/ejhg2010146f1a.jpg ?
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0.03867918 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN009
0.04181660 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA126
0.04304203 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.04504055 Hazara:HGDP00100
0.04613174 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.04703541 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.04904022 Nogai:NOG-357
0.04997555 Karakalpak:KKA-004
0.05112492 Hazara:HGDP00104
0.05207038 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_6Af
0.05293040 KAZ_Karluk:DA222
0.05311848 Kazakh:GRC10045034
0.05362464 Hazara:HGDP00099
0.05369863 Hazara:HGDP00103
0.05452264 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA204
0.05490899 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
0.05533914 Nogai:NOG-127
0.05616145 Karakalpak:KKA-046
0.05696182 Kazakh:GRC10041336
0.05804174 Karakalpak:KKA-016
0.05843032 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA:Ze6b
0.06030784 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA:M819
0.06045520 Karakalpak:KKA-019
0.06053198 MNG_Xiongnu_Central_Asian:DA41
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045064
0.03491328 Hazara:HGDP00103
0.03627543 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.04099497 Hazara:HGDP00099
0.04153192 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_6Af
0.04180732 MNG_Late_Med:DEE001
0.04505857 Kirghiz_China:KZ77
0.04712486 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.04906802 Karakalpak:KKA051_karakalpak
0.05062836 Karakalpak:KKA048_karakalpak
0.05085320 Karakalpak:KKA001_karakalpak
0.05127114 Nogai:NOG-130
0.05177470 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205
0.05230157 Kazakh:GRC10045033
0.05353050 Kazakh:607_A
0.05473236 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN008
0.05547416 Karakalpak:KKA-011
0.05550889 Kazakh:608_A
0.05589825 Karakalpak:KKA044_karakalpak
0.05666675 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.05676977 Kazakh:GRC10041340
0.05683801 Karakalpak:KKA-051
0.05683886 Nogai:NOG-127
0.05753753 Kazakh:689_B
0.05767190 Kazakh:608_B
0.05788619 Karakalpak:KKA052_karakalpak
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045063
0.02654046 Dungan:UZB-400
0.02661147 Tibetan_Yajiang:YJ86
0.02755279 Dungan:UZB-425
0.03034813 Dungan:UZB-417
0.03036366 Salar:SL1
0.03038163 Tibetan_Gannan:GN03
0.03049522 Dungan:Dungan2
0.03106896 Dungan:UZB-401
0.03125474 Bonan:BAO15
0.03186995 Bonan:BAO26
0.03243953 Dungan:UZB-416
0.03256060 Salar:SL9
0.03266693 Salar:SL2
0.03286104 Tu:HGDP01350
0.03319710 Dungan:UZB-410
0.03326381 Yugur:EYG04
0.03385781 Tibetan_Gannan:GN17
0.03386230 Dungan:UZB-421
0.03415369 Bonan:BAO53
0.03467986 Dungan:Dungan1
0.03476081 Dongxiang:DX1058
0.03506300 Bonan:BAO54
0.03558231 Bonan:BAO47
0.03573643 MNG_TUM001:TUM001
0.03662692 Dungan:UZB-431
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045062
0.02487978 Salar:SL1
0.02544567 Dungan:Dungan2
0.02549055 Tibetan_Gannan:GN03
0.02618858 Dungan:UZB-410
0.02975963 Dungan:UZB-417
0.03010804 Dungan:UZB-422
0.03030490 Bonan:BAO53
0.03034938 Dungan:UZB-431
0.03045658 Dungan:UZB-401
0.03070837 Dongxiang:DX1058
0.03135372 Dungan:UZB-400
0.03152889 Bonan:BAO15
0.03180888 Tibetan_Yajiang:YJ86
0.03276528 Bonan:BAO47
0.03278304 Salar:SL7
0.03287995 Bonan:BAO54
0.03341994 MNG_TUM001:TUM001
0.03407886 Dongxiang:DX1175
0.03456263 Dungan:UZB-421
0.03483633 Tu:HGDP01350
0.03539733 Dungan:UZB-411
0.03552392 Yugur:EYG04
0.03563036 Dongxiang:DX1170
0.03584786 Dungan:UZB-416
0.03605181 Dungan:UZB-412
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045061
0.04377263 MNG_Late_Med:CHN014
0.04637397 MNG_Late_Med:TSA004
0.05463678 MNG_Late_Med:UGO002
0.05759944 Kirghiz_China:KZ78
0.05864912 Kirghiz_China:KZ15
0.05983855 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN001.A0101
0.06006187 Kirghiz:Bishkek28446
0.06128935 Kirghiz_China:KZ77
0.06137868 MNG_Late_Med:DEE001
0.06335704 Kirghiz_China:KZ52
0.06500143 Kirghiz_China:KZ46
0.06572786 RUS_Late_Xiongnu:TUK003
0.06650941 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN008
0.06659374 MNG_Late_Med:BRG005
0.06748405 Hazara:HGDP00103
0.06782683 Kazakh:690_A
0.06801792 Kirghiz_China:KZ65
0.06836446 Kazakh:690_B
0.06849674 Kazakh:GRC10041338
0.06904958 Kirghiz:Bishkek28442
0.06943271 Kazakh:734_A
0.07009697 Kazakh:689_A
0.07014287 Kirghiz:Bishkek28456
0.07069335 Nogai:NOG-130
0.07077416 Kirghiz_China:KZ87
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045060
0.03819491 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN009
0.04387089 Karakalpak:KKA-004
0.04422515 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.04499629 Nogai:NOG-357
0.04505440 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.04671371 Kazakh:GRC10045034
0.04765931 Hazara:HGDP00100
0.04779503 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA126
0.04865172 Karakalpak:KKA-046
0.04907886 KAZ_Karluk:DA230
0.05013717 Nogai:NOG-127
0.05017824 Karakalpak:KKA-016
0.05119478 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.05173727 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
0.05299547 Karakalpak:KKA-019
0.05320227 Nogai:NOG-217
0.05370808 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA:Ze6b
0.05424781 Hazara:HGDP00099
0.05435663 Kazakh:GRC10041336
0.05440319 KAZ_Karluk:DA222
0.05524661 Nogai:NOG-224
0.05537086 Karakalpak:KKA-011
0.05627357 Karakalpak:KKA-023
0.05708651 TUR_Ottoman:MA2195
0.05713214 Karakalpak:KKA051_karakalpak
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045058
0.02825234 Hazara:HGDP00100
0.03553144 Hazara:HGDP00104
0.04401139 KAZ_Karluk:DA230
0.04410732 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN009
0.04720747 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA126
0.04724157 Turkmen:TUR050
0.04903144 Karakalpak:KKA-004
0.04908995 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
0.05004944 Turkmen:TUR046
0.05235523 Turkmen:GRC10045026
0.05265938 Turkmen:GRC10046921
0.05296955 Iranian:12AM149
0.05314852 RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU006
0.05532873 Turkmen:TUR029
0.05548254 Turkmen:GRC10046927
0.05606241 Nogai:NOG-220
0.05621928 Turkmen:GRC10046925
0.05623214 Turkmen:TUR018
0.05629765 Turkmen:TUR027
0.05641607 Nogai:NOG-357
0.05668668 KAZ_Karluk:DA222
0.05669920 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN012
0.05779685 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.05806484 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.05899177 Turkmen:TUR040
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045057
0.03061103 Hazara:HGDP00100
0.03798129 Hazara:HGDP00104
0.04058964 Turkmen:TUR050
0.04918889 Iranian:12AM149
0.04948261 Turkmen:TUR046
0.05235403 Turkmen:GRC10045026
0.05285403 Turkmen:TUR040
0.05288683 Turkmen:TUR018
0.05383906 Turkmen:TUR027
0.05547732 Turkmen:GRC10046918
0.05580591 Turkmen:GRC10046921
0.05588514 Iranian:4AM149
0.05638011 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN012
0.05667663 Turkmen:GRC10046927
0.05796474 Turkmen:TUR029
0.05897292 Turkmen:GRC10046925
0.05938981 Turkmen:GRC10045030
0.06043518 Turkmen:TUR028
0.06063825 Turkmen:GRC10045031
0.06112054 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
0.06145142 Turkmen:TUR001
0.06160286 RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU006
0.06162212 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_27Af
0.06169473 Turkmen:TUR012
0.06198218 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB180_turkmen
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045056
0.03447943 MNG_Late_Med:DEE001
0.04641391 Hazara:HGDP00103
0.04666346 Kirghiz_China:KZ77
0.04722581 Hazara:HGDP00099
0.04790385 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.04897607 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.05086873 Karakalpak:KKA051_karakalpak
0.05145592 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_6Af
0.05290126 MNG_Late_Med:TSA004
0.05297067 Kazakh:GRC10045033
0.05383878 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205
0.05399764 Nogai:NOG-130
0.05479645 Nogai:NOG-263
0.05624103 Kazakh:688_B
0.05666525 Karakalpak:KKA001_karakalpak
0.05671111 Kazakh:GRC10041339
0.05673483 Karakalpak:KKA-011
0.05682002 Karakalpak:KKA-042
0.05727490 Karakalpak:KKA048_karakalpak
0.05735161 Kazakh:608_B
0.05745063 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN008
0.05773672 Kazakh:607_A
0.05817538 Kirghiz_China:KZ78
0.05835923 Kazakh:608_A
0.05891951 MNG_Late_Med:CHN014
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045055
0.02738513 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.03059924 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.03709450 Hazara:HGDP00103
0.03770132 Hazara:HGDP00099
0.04002422 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_6Af
0.04181836 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN009
0.04388815 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.04444383 Nogai:NOG-127
0.04627228 Kazakh:GRC10045034
0.04768812 Karakalpak:KKA051_karakalpak
0.04775759 Karakalpak:KKA-011
0.04807688 Kazakh:GRC10041336
0.04851663 Nogai:NOG-357
0.04868385 Kazakh:607_A
0.04894270 Karakalpak:KKA-004
0.04939613 Karakalpak:KKA-046
0.05038431 KAZ_Karluk:DA222
0.05079583 Karakalpak:KKA044_karakalpak
0.05097119 Karakalpak:KKA-019
0.05128832 KAZ_Karluk:DA230
0.05315791 MNG_Late_Med:DEE001
0.05319008 Karakalpak:KKA-016
0.05323690 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205
0.05339288 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA124
0.05463618 Hazara:HGDP00100
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10045054
0.04155907 Hazara:HGDP00100
0.04487842 KAZ_Karluk:DA230
0.04690675 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN009
0.04792542 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA126
0.04905752 Hazara:HGDP00104
0.04961188 Karakalpak:KKA-004
0.05287610 Nogai:NOG-357
0.05653815 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.05708152 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
0.05722624 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.05738703 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.05958824 Turkmen:TUR050
0.06059904 Nogai:NOG-127
0.06077960 RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU006
0.06111019 Kazakh:GRC10045034
0.06307382 KAZ_Karluk:DA222
0.06330331 Karakalpak:KKA-046
0.06342280 Karakalpak:KKA-019
0.06397778 Nogai:NOG-133
0.06466372 Karakalpak:KKA-016
0.06498801 Turkmen:GRC10046921
0.06507796 Kazakh:GRC10041336
0.06519504 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_6Af
0.06540133 Turkmen:GRC10045026
0.06546319 Nogai:NOG-224
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10041342
0.03037230 Hazara:HGDP00100
0.03489430 Hazara:HGDP00104
0.04663453 Turkmen:TUR050
0.04817856 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN009
0.04952152 Turkmen:GRC10045026
0.05035341 KAZ_Karluk:DA230
0.05208718 Turkmen:TUR046
0.05285697 Karakalpak:KKA-004
0.05296063 Iranian:12AM149
0.05347704 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA126
0.05539233 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
0.05557261 Turkmen:GRC10046921
0.05719596 Turkmen:TUR040
0.05920012 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN012
0.05924317 Turkmen:TUR027
0.05934632 RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:UGU006
0.05942908 Turkmen:TUR018
0.06048244 Turkmen:TUR029
0.06070682 Turkmen:TUR028
0.06085057 Turkmen:GRC10046927
0.06145837 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA203
0.06170182 KAZ_Karluk:DA222
0.06178374 Iranian:4AM149
0.06198636 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.06203196 Turkmen:GRC10046925
Distance to: Uygur:GRC10041341
0.04294526 MNG_Late_Med:DEE001
0.04350726 Kirghiz_China:KZ77
0.04445835 Kirghiz_China:KZ78
0.04577491 MNG_Late_Med:TSA004
0.04677106 Nogai:NOG-130
0.04744225 MNG_Late_Med:CHN014
0.04803304 Kazakh:GRC10045033
0.04911482 Kazakh:688_B
0.04924450 Kazakh:690_B
0.04943874 Hazara:HGDP00103
0.04952020 Hazara:HGDP00099
0.05003461 Karakalpak:KKA-042
0.05025259 Karakalpak:KKA051_karakalpak
0.05046381 Kazakh:608_B
0.05049549 KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205
0.05094160 Kazakh:690_A
0.05168203 MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN008
0.05178405 Kazakh:GRC10041339
0.05246626 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_2Af
0.05255697 Kazakh:689_B
0.05326841 Hazara:HGDP00102
0.05372073 Kazakh:GRC10041338
0.05441918 Karakalpak:KKA001_karakalpak
0.05487014 Kazakh:734_A
0.05558312 Karakalpak:KKA-011
Distance to: Uzbek
0.04464694 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.05647581 Hazara
0.06060090 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06974033 Turkmen
0.07138671 Nogai
0.08099029 Bashkir
0.08334612 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.08621030 Tatar_Siberian
0.09218569 Karakalpak
0.11085265 Tatar_Lipka
0.12027463 Bahun
0.12606296 Kazakh
0.12902183 Burusho
0.12963725 Tajik
0.13668367 Tubalar
0.13791923 Yukagir_Forest
0.13921682 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.14008312 Maori
0.14934584 Besermyan
0.15069146 Kho_Singanali
0.15093452 Udmurt
0.15158289 Tatar_Kazan
0.15462318 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.15649535 Shor_Mountain
0.15824306 Shor
Distance to: Uygur
0.01950985 Hazara
0.02491570 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.05102761 Nogai
0.05548772 Karakalpak
0.08169907 Kazakh
0.08685678 Tatar_Siberian
0.10159684 Bashkir
0.10521182 Tubalar
0.10989599 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.11642418 Kirghiz_China
0.11842789 Kirghiz
0.11946643 Turkmen
0.12371605 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.12587182 Shor
0.12663001 Shor_Mountain
0.13040086 Shor_Khakassia
0.13383094 Khakass
0.13405823 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.13778724 Bahun
0.13816886 Yukagir_Forest
0.13968262 Kazakh_China
0.13982734 Newar
0.14457468 Maori
0.15027355 Brahmin_Manipuri
0.15368601 Tatar_Lipka
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Are Teleuts "Iranified Mongols" too ?
Edgü, weren't you banned? Why are you spamming again? Gecko won't respond, he dislikes you and Altayli as trolls and spammers. That's the message from him.
ONCE AGAIN: spamming and irrelevant stuff are NOT welcome. Old results that everyone knows are NOT welcome.
Edgü, weren't you banned? Why are you spamming again? Gecko won't respond, he dislikes you and Altayli as trolls and spammers. That's the message from him.
Ruski are you his message delivery boy now anyway i wasn't speaking with you why are you so mad ?
Altaylı
03-15-2021, 02:57 PM
Edgü, weren't you banned? Why are you spamming again? Gecko won't respond, he dislikes you and Altayli as trolls and spammers. That's the message from him.
ONCE AGAIN: spamming and irrelevant stuff are NOT welcome. Old results that everyone knows are NOT welcome.
i am not posting old results also why he is disliking me i didn`t do bad things to him
Okay, I'm giving up on this shit. My involvement is a mistake. :icon_neutral:
Altaylı
03-15-2021, 03:05 PM
this is leto:
:fou12001:
Chechen (may not be new but just reuploaded)
Gedrosia 24.77 Pct
Siberian 3.36 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.6 Pct
North_European 24.26 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.23 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 40.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Shamil
4.32803651 Lak
4.87035933 Kubachi_Dagestan
5.00086992 Chechen
5.94732713 Avar
6.00028333 Kaitag_Dagestan
6.10476044 Lezgin
6.50283015 Tabasaran
7.11030238 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
7.26472986 Dargin
7.58137850 Kumyk
8.04443286 Ingush
9.91091822 Balkar
10.75999071 Karachay
10.90289870 Kabardin
11.48527753 Abazin
11.53861777 Circassian
11.65558664 Adyghe
12.22309290 Ossetian
12.61478894 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.53849029 Ossetian_South
Distance to: Shamil
2.43731358 19.60% Georgian_Svan + 80.40% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.57492271 72.60% Kaitag_Dagestan + 27.40% Ossetian_South
2.69955779 73.00% Avar + 27.00% Ossetian_South
2.72086708 21.60% Abkhazian + 78.40% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.75862948 17.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 82.80% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.79940079 81.00% Avar + 19.00% Georgian_Svan
2.82049698 49.00% Chechen + 51.00% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.82712222 81.40% Lak + 18.60% Ossetian_South
2.86726384 18.20% Georgian_Gurian + 81.80% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.88075277 12.60% Georgian_Svan + 87.40% Lak
2.89072330 29.20% Balkar + 70.80% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.91647159 44.00% Avar + 56.00% Chechen
2.92941034 44.00% Chechen + 56.00% Lak
2.93043305 29.00% Ossetian_South + 71.00% Tabasaran
2.93275188 21.00% Abkhazian + 79.00% Avar
2.96331928 56.40% Chechen + 43.60% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.96542520 75.40% Kubachi_Dagestan + 24.60% Ossetian
2.96916124 27.20% Karachay + 72.80% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.97555947 14.00% Abkhazian + 86.00% Lak
3.00309235 18.40% Georgian + 81.60% Kaitag_Dagestan
RatCat
03-17-2021, 06:44 PM
I have 2 new matches! An Adyghe with high Atlantic_med + low gedrosia and a Pontic Greek
Adyghe
Y-DNA: G-FT69558
https://i.hizliresim.com/MdOm0a.png
Population
Gedrosia 16.36 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.51 Pct
North_European 17.78 Pct
South_Asian 1.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.42 Pct
East_Asian 2.81 Pct
Caucasus 48.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.16 Pct
Distance to: Tsey
5.70516433 Adyghe
6.32508498 Circassian
7.41047907 Abazin
7.78601952 Balkar
8.36037081 Kabardin
8.98400245 Ingush
10.36197375 Kumyk
10.52322669 Chechen
10.64259367 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.36466014 Abkhazian
13.07735830 Turk_Ahiska
13.27846000 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.08004616 Georgian
14.09384263 Turk_East
14.34365713 Udi
14.47506131 Georgian_Gurian
14.80860898 Georgian_Svan
15.19987171 Turk_Central_East
15.49218190 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.57255920 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.84852044 Armenian_East
16.19530488 Turk_West_BlackSea
16.21710517 Turk_East_Black_Sea
16.44082723 Georgian_Imereti
16.54613550 Turk_Central_West
Target: Tsey
Distance: 3.1946% / 3.19464357 | R2P
77.1 Georgian_Svan
22.9 Bavarian_German
Target: Tsey
Distance: 2.0265% / 2.02651780 | R3P
77.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
19.8 Danish
2.8 Japanese
Target: Tsey
Distance: 3.2063% / 3.20628689 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.8 Abkhazian
23.6 Circassian
18.3 Macedonian
12.3 Georgian_Gurian
Pontic Greek
Population
Gedrosia 15.24 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 5.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 55.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Panagiota
3.07920444 Hemshin
3.24041664 Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.94144644 Laz
3.97665689 Greek_Pontus
6.51153592 Turk_Ahiska
6.75635997 Armenian_East
7.10136607 Georgian_Adjara
8.55301117 Armenian_West
9.10047801 Georgian
9.31273322 Georgian_Imereti
10.62892281 Georgian_Gurian
10.94164521 Turk_East
11.62782439 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.93370856 Assyrian_West
12.00317458 Assyrian_North
12.12729566 Udi
12.25047346 Abkhazian
12.32007305 Azeri_Jew
12.38144176 Assyrian_South
13.18920392 Greek_Cappadocia
13.46349509 Georgian_Svan
15.26110088 Kurdish_Jew
15.71430877 Iranian_Jew
16.01822087 Iraqi_Jew
16.25132302 Ossetian_South
Target: Panagiota
Distance: 1.5447% / 1.54471940 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.4 Hemshin
26.0 Greek_Pontus
20.0 Georgian_Gurian
5.1 Coptic
1.5 Algerian
Target: Panagiota
Distance: 2.0666% / 2.06663068 | ADC: 0.5x RC
79.9 Hemshin
15.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.1 Coptic
Target: Panagiota
Distance: 1.9173% / 1.91725571 | R2P
91.0 Laz
9.0 Coptic
Turk from Denizli & Mugla
Gedrosia: 11.69
Siberian: 6.11
NW_African: 5.41
SE_Asian: 0.15
Atlantic_Med: 15.48
North_European: 12.57
South_Asia: 1.10
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.67
East_Asian: 6.31
Caucasus: 29.66
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: TurkDenizliMugla
6.63168154 Turk_Northwest
7.62369989 Turk_Southwest
9.31989270 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.25469161 Turk_Central_West
10.98103365 Turk_South
11.89706266 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.81429280 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.40276837 Turk_Central_East
13.98695464 Turk_Southeast
14.75227101 Greek_Lemnos
14.90793748 Greek_Fournoi
15.05139528 Moldavian_Jewish
15.09159700 Greek_Crete
15.59944871 Italian_Sicily
15.64137142 Italian_Apulia
15.77167715 Ashkenazi_Jews
15.83056853 Turk_Cyprus
16.13377823 Azerbaijani
16.16880639 Greek_Izmir
16.29992638 Turk_Trakya
16.35363568 Greek_Kos
16.38210609 Italian_Calabria
16.90464433 Greek_Foca
16.96857095 Azerbaijani_Turkey
17.05322550 Italian_Jews
Target: TurkDenizliMugla
Distance: 1.8612% / 1.86118327 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.2 Turk_Northwest
8.9 Algerian
8.6 Morocco_Jews
6.3 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.9 Nogai_Astrakhan
1.9 Kuwait2
0.2 Saudi
RatCat
03-18-2021, 01:00 PM
Very cool result in my opinion. Armenian from Eastern Black Sea, pure Caucasoid.
Population
Gedrosia 19.81 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.76 Pct
North_European 3.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.86 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Papazyan
4.60296643 Hemshin
5.33462276 Armenian_East
5.49430614 Laz
5.50453449 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.72115373 Greek_Pontus
5.90004237 Turk_Ahiska
6.38678323 Armenian_West
7.01063478 Georgian_Adjara
9.16146822 Udi
9.28744314 Assyrian_North
9.29790299 Turk_East
9.51816159 Azeri_Jew
9.66805048 Assyrian_West
9.93581904 Assyrian_South
9.96778310 Georgian
10.44007663 Georgian_Imereti
12.22019640 Georgian_Gurian
13.03832044 Kurdish_Jew
13.04865510 Zaza
13.06987758 Iranian_Jew
13.25394658 Abkhazian
13.31777384 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.57476703 Mandean
13.84293683 Greek_Cappadocia
13.87247635 Iraqi_Jew
Target: Papazyan
Distance: 1.2633% / 1.26327681 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.8 Georgian_Adjara
31.1 Armenian_West
15.1 Assyrian_North
4.0 Iran_Mazandaran
Target: Papazyan
Distance: 1.3292% / 1.32923827 | R3P
48.3 Armenian_West
46.3 Georgian_Adjara
5.4 Iran_Mazandaran
Target: Papazyan
Distance: 1.4930% / 1.49304646 | R2P
57.2 Georgian_Adjara
42.8 Assyrian_North
His Muslim match
Population
Gedrosia 17.69 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.18 Pct
North_European 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.61 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.34 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Abdullah
2.51809452 Hemshin
3.44886938 Laz
4.91401058 Greek_Pontus
5.05036632 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.19927880 Georgian_Adjara
7.57651635 Turk_Ahiska
8.10637404 Armenian_East
8.72617327 Armenian_West
9.21790106 Georgian_Imereti
9.74174522 Georgian
11.52287724 Georgian_Gurian
11.78861739 Assyrian_North
11.95540882 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.96334819 Assyrian_West
12.10024380 Azeri_Jew
12.28030130 Assyrian_South
12.37606965 Turk_East
12.84471876 Udi
13.62296590 Abkhazian
14.11312155 Georgian_Svan
15.11955687 Greek_Cappadocia
15.15927109 Kurdish_Jew
15.52195864 Iranian_Jew
15.91680558 Iraqi_Jew
16.18499923 Mandean
Target: Abdullah
Distance: 1.8282% / 1.82820443 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.1 Hemshin
35.1 Georgian_Adjara
13.8 Iraqi_Jew
Mejgusu
03-18-2021, 02:24 PM
...
The first result looks a bit Caucasian shifted for an Armenian, but the second one could be a Hemshin. Although they are known as Muslim Armenians, I noticed that Hemshins are simply Eastern Black Sea people and quite similar to Laz people and Pontic Greeks. „Classic“ Armenians are more SW-shifted than Hemshins and very close to Assyrians. Even Turks with zero Turkic admixture are still a bit different to them.
RatCat
03-18-2021, 02:40 PM
The first result looks a bit Caucasian shifted for an Armenian, but the second one could be a Hemshin. Although they are known as Muslim Armenians, I noticed that Hemshins are simply Eastern Black Sea people and quite similar to Laz people and Pontic Greeks. „Classic“ Armenians are more SW-shifted than Hemshins and very close to Assyrians. Even Turks with zero Turkic admixture are still a bit different to them.
Yes i agree, first one is probably mixed with locals. He has both Armenian and Eastern Black Sea matches.
Altaylı
03-19-2021, 08:58 PM
Alevi Kurd from Kahramanmaraş:
Gedrosia 21.31 Pct
Siberian 2.61 Pct
Northwest_African 0.60 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.82 Pct
North_European 9.32 Pct
South_Asian 3.65 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.21 Pct
East_Asian 1.49
Caucasus 37.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.25
Yörük from Izmir:
Gedrosia: 14.30
Siberian: 7.52
NW_African: 1.08
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.48
North_European: 11.73
South_Asia: 3.66
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 13.01
East_Asian: 5.01
Caucasus: 29.86
SSA: 0.34
Distance to: Yöruk_izmir
6.51340925 Turk_Northwest
6.70431950 Turk_Southwest
8.72220729 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.89200765 Turk_South
8.92413581 Turk_Central_West
11.20933540 Turk_Southeast
11.22035650 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.74376856 Turk_Central_East
12.45368219 Azerbaijani_Northwest
13.07397032 Azerbaijani
13.16471800 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.19417134 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.40191654 Turkmen_Iran
14.67861029 Azerbaijani_Iran
16.30256115 Iraq_Turkmen
16.37936812 Azerbaijani_North
16.79499330 Turk_Cyprus
16.95167838 Iraqi_Baghdad
17.00597542 Greek_Crete
17.23623799 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
17.25655238 Greek_Lemnos
17.34496469 Kurd_Kurmanji
17.40866738 Greek_Fournoi
17.60231519 Iran_Khorasan
17.76035473 Lebanese_Muslim
Target: Yöruk_izmir
Distance: 1.2200% / 1.22004267 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.5 Turk_Northwest
10.5 Tajik_Herat
7.9 Iraqi_Arab
7.0 Saudi
5.0 Balkan_Gypsy
3.4 Yukagir
2.7 Spanish_Basque
Sterling Archer
03-22-2021, 04:29 PM
The name is Georgian and description says Adjara(maybe Georgian Udi?), but results suggest Eastern Turk.
Gedrosia 19.06 Pct
Siberian 0.76 Pct
Northwest_African 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.7 Pct
North_European 9.61 Pct
South_Asian 1.25 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Caucasus 45.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: panidze
3.09998387 Turk_East
3.79196519 Udi
6.24180262 Armenian_East
7.40810367 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.55103304 Zaza
8.03840780 Turk_Central_East
8.85069489 Azerbaijani
8.88648975 Armenian_West
8.93735419 Turk_Southeast
9.01967294 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.03250796 Turk_Ahiska
9.13060239 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.74001027 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.09242785 Kurd_Adygea
10.48256171 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.48348702 Azeri_Jew
10.57428485 Assyrian_North
10.62199605 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.72918450 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.73126740 Assyrian_West
10.95724418 Assyrian_South
10.99120103 Turk_Central_West
11.21186425 Turk_South
11.34023809 Iraq_Turkmen
11.36522327 Yazidi
Sterling Archer
03-22-2021, 04:52 PM
Very distant match to the guy above. Ahiska Turk, but the surname suggests that he is from Azerbaijan.
Population
Gedrosia 19.7 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.17 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.24 Pct
North_European 8.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.38 Pct
Distance to: abdal
1.52993464 Turk_Ahiska
4.51874983 Georgian
6.15787301 Laz
6.30778091 Hemshin
6.49068563 Georgian_Imereti
6.71849686 Georgian_Adjara
6.79307000 Georgian_Gurian
6.84652467 Abkhazian
7.33235978 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.96414465 Armenian_East
8.76119284 Georgian_Mingrelian
8.82013038 Georgian_Svan
9.18937974 Udi
9.19880427 Greek_Pontus
9.98535928 Turk_East
10.63832224 Ossetian_South
11.36963500 Armenian_West
12.55751966 Adyghe
12.80489750 Ossetian
13.90088486 Zaza
14.18243985 Assyrian_North
14.19904926 Azeri_Jew
14.31175391 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.57357883 Assyrian_West
14.79731395 Assyrian_South
The name is Georgian and description says Adjara(maybe Georgian Udi?), but results suggest Eastern Turk.
His Mongoloid is abysmally low for a Turk. And Udis do not exist in Georgia as far as I know.
Siberian 0.76 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Sterling Archer
03-22-2021, 05:25 PM
And Udis do not exist in Georgia as far as I know.
You are mistaken. Udis do live in Georgia in the village of Oktomberi. They emigrated from Azerbaijan. Their numbers is very small though, even less than in Azerbaijan.
http://udilang.narod.ru/papers/Schulze_History-of-Udi.pdf
As for this person, as I wrote, I have no idea about his background. Maybe Udi mixed with Turk? Or just plain Turk from North Eastern Turkey where mongoloid is low to begin with.
Anyway, his top match is Turk_East, hence my the initial suggestion.
Mejgusu
03-22-2021, 05:33 PM
You are mistaken. Udis do live in Georgia in the village of Oktomberi. They emigrated from Azerbaijan. Their numbers is very small though, even less than in Azerbaijan.
http://udilang.narod.ru/papers/Schulze_History-of-Udi.pdf
As for this person, as I wrote, I have no idea about his background. Maybe Udi mixed with Turk? Or just plain Turk from North Eastern Turkey where mongoloid is low to begin with.
Anyway, his top match is Turk_East, hence my the initial suggestion.
Yes, probably a Turk from NE-Turkey like Erzurum.
RatCat
03-22-2021, 08:04 PM
Another Dagestani. I dont know the exact ethnicity.
https://ibb.co/QYTKPNP (Don't quote the photos pls)
https://i.ibb.co/BN3n7V9/muraddd.png (Don't quote the photos pls)
Y-DNA: J2-Y32689
Y-DNA map:
https://i.hizliresim.com/jRXf5e.png
Population
Gedrosia 25.46 Pct
Siberian 1.81 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.16 Pct
North_European 29.22 Pct
South_Asian 1.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus 36.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Murad
3.57533215 Dargin
3.59386978 Kaitag_Dagestan
4.77122626 Avar
4.98247930 Tabasaran
5.00009000 Kubachi_Dagestan
5.46761374 Lak
9.18379007 Lezgin
11.22449108 Chechen
12.48539947 Kumyk
13.29492008 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.53340291 Ingush
15.36642769 Kabardin
15.60187168 Balkar
16.65019219 Karachay
16.81647109 Abazin
17.10488234 Circassian
17.64332735 Yagnobi
17.88849910 Adyghe
17.92010603 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
18.50380772 Ossetian
20.77194261 Nogai
21.22735499 Ossetian_South
21.41104621 Tajik_Lowland
22.11291478 Pamiri_Rushan
22.16435652 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
Target: Murad
Distance: 2.1226% / 2.12262003 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.2 Latvian
6.9 Dargin
Target: Murad
Distance: 2.6626% / 2.66257042 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.4 Dargin
31.1 Kaitag_Dagestan
3.5 Latvian
Target: Murad
Distance: 2.1267% / 2.12667466 | R2P
92.5 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.5 Latvian
Another Dagestani. I dont know the exact ethnicity.
I think I know that account, posted the guy sometime last year. But I'm surprised how non-Euro he looks! I mean with that percentage of North European he is still as dark and woggy as many Azerbaijanis who score only a fraction of that.
Kaspias
03-23-2021, 02:58 PM
1/4 Turkish from Langaza, Greece
1/4 Turkish from Drama, Greece
1/4 Turkish from Novi Pazar Shumen, Bulgaria
1/4 Turkish from Bursa Karacabey, Turkey
Y: E-V13 (Novi Pazar)
MT: U5a2 (Langaza)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.25
2 North_European 22.69
3 Atlantic_Med 18.3
4 Gedrosia 9.82
5 Southwest_Asian 7.41
6 Siberian 4.46
7 East_Asian 3.56
8 Northwest_African 2.64
9 South_Asian 1.87
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 14.87
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.9
3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.02
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.08
5 Romanians (Behar) 16.2
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.98
7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.71
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.24
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.29
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.51
11 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.06
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.24
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.6
14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.89
15 Turks (Behar) 21.93
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.94
17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.4
18 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 23.5
19 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.51
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 24.73
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 38.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.5
2 66.9% Turks (Behar) + 33.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.03
3 63.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.09
4 68.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 31.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.25
5 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.28
6 68.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 31.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.29
7 60.8% Turks (Behar) + 39.2% German (Dodecad) @ 5.43
8 61.3% Romanians (Behar) + 38.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.56
9 56.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.57
10 63.4% Turks (Behar) + 36.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.87
11 62.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 37.6% German (Dodecad) @ 5.89
12 67.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.9
13 62.2% Turks (Behar) + 37.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 6.09
14 57.3% Turks (Behar) + 42.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 6.1
15 65.4% Turks (Behar) + 34.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 6.11
16 66.1% Turks (Behar) + 33.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 6.26
17 64.5% Turks (Behar) + 35.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 6.27
18 64.6% Turks (Behar) + 35.4% English (Dodecad) @ 6.29
19 70.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 29.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.33
20 64.3% Turks (Behar) + 35.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 6.39
Distance to: Onur
4.97869461 Turk_Trakya
5.63417252 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
8.13678684 Turk_Deliorman
9.03769329 Turk_Makedonya
10.36411598 Bulgarian_Thrace
10.96883312 Greek_Peloponnese
11.44028846 Turk_Northwest
11.73421067 Greek_Thessaloniki
11.98999166 Greek_Lemnos
12.01151115 Greek_Thrace
12.03671051 Greek_Central
12.07067521 Moldavian_Gagauz
12.14539831 Greek_Thessaly
12.47398493 Bulgarian_East
12.54236022 Greek_Athens
12.64121830 Greek_Foca
12.67192566 Italian_Apulia
12.95857631 Greek_Macedonia
13.10667006 Pomak_Greece
13.35914294 Albanian
14.03220581 Turk_West_BlackSea
14.20507656 Turk_Southwest
14.24535012 Albanian_Kosovo
14.69701330 Bulgarian_Central
14.93055257 Italian_Abruzzo
Distance to: Onur
2.17511005 35.60% Moldavian_Center + 64.40% Turk_Northwest
2.21555726 41.00% Moldavian_Center + 59.00% Turk_Southwest
2.23510459 37.00% Moldavian_North + 63.00% Turk_Southwest
2.26242721 34.20% Serb + 65.80% Turk_Northwest
2.28362604 31.20% Bosnian + 68.80% Turk_Northwest
2.28558089 32.00% Moldavian_North + 68.00% Turk_Northwest
2.29104714 30.00% Croat + 70.00% Turk_Northwest
2.29296500 59.00% Turk_Deliorman + 41.00% Turk_Northwest
2.30477653 28.20% Turk_Northwest + 71.80% Turk_Trakya
2.30625312 34.80% Croat + 65.20% Turk_Southwest
2.32128286 36.20% Bosnian + 63.80% Turk_Southwest
2.33798343 64.20% Turk_Deliorman + 35.80% Turk_Southwest
2.35057271 23.80% Turk_Southwest + 76.20% Turk_Trakya
2.37688290 19.60% Turk_South + 80.40% Turk_Trakya
2.40140243 39.40% Serb + 60.60% Turk_Southwest
2.41598509 31.80% Hungarian_Alfold + 68.20% Turk_Southwest
2.42017871 68.80% Turk_Southwest + 31.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.42114969 31.80% Slovenian + 68.20% Turk_Southwest
2.42319368 31.40% Hungarian_North + 68.60% Turk_Southwest
2.46233677 32.60% Hungarian + 67.40% Turk_Southwest
2.46605532 27.00% Slovenian + 73.00% Turk_Northwest
2.51688180 18.20% Turk_Central_Black_Sea + 81.80% Turk_Trakya
2.52800328 36.60% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely + 63.40% Turk_Southwest
2.53622268 32.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia_Budapest + 67.20% Turk_Southwest
2.54837972 73.60% Turk_Northwest + 26.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
Distance to: Onur
2.59374257 68.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 31.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.01160781 66.00% Greek_Thessaloniki + 34.00% Turkmen_Iran
3.25007224 63.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.80% Ottoman_MA2196
3.33564662 71.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.62026674 68.80% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.63802299 71.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.80% Turkmen_TM
3.70990305 64.80% Bulgarian_East + 35.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.73396232 58.60% Bulgarian_East + 41.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.79264609 65.80% Greek_Thrace + 34.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.84680528 64.00% Greek_Macedonia + 36.00% Turkmen_Iran
3.89711907 61.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 38.40% Turkmen_Iran
3.91728990 57.20% Pomak_Greece + 42.80% Ottoman_MA2196
3.95143317 68.40% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.60% Turkmen_TM
4.00455442 57.60% Greek_Macedonia + 42.40% Ottoman_MA2196
4.01951195 65.80% Moldavian_Gagauz + 34.20% Turkmen_Iran
4.09484723 75.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 24.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.10972584 76.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 23.80% Uzbeki
4.19489341 59.60% Moldavian_Gagauz + 40.40% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19904189 63.40% Albanian + 36.60% Turkmen_Iran
4.27974211 60.40% Greek_Thessaloniki + 39.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.28821870 74.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 25.40% Uzbek
4.28847670 73.60% Greek_Thessaloniki + 26.40% Uzbeki
4.29559324 67.20% Bulgarian_East + 32.80% Turkmen_TM
4.29692878 71.80% Greek_Thessaloniki + 28.20% Uzbek
4.31897157 72.60% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
Altaylı
03-23-2021, 04:05 PM
Kırşehir Turk:
Gedrosia 15.11 Pct
Siberian 5.27 Pct
Northwest_African 1.00 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.14 Pct
North_European 13.17 Pct
South_Asian 1.44 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.96 Pct
East_Asian 6.78 Pct
Caucasus 38.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Kırşehirli
Distance: 0.8593% / 0.85926470 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.8 Turk_South
20.4 Circassian
10.2 Nogai
5.3 Kumyk
3.6 Kuwait2
1.7 Japanese
Distance to: Kırşehirli
4.15285005 63.80% Armenian_East + 36.20% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.32830089 63.00% Armenian_East + 37.00% Uzbek
4.37939017 64.40% Armenian_East + 35.60% Uzbeki
4.75556799 56.80% Greek_Pontus + 43.20% Uzbek
4.94966331 71.80% Armenian_East + 28.20% DA87_Kimak
4.96101736 49.20% Armenian_East + 50.80% MA2196_Ottoman
5.18928617 45.80% Greek_Cappadocia + 54.20% Turkmen_Iran
5.24871388 66.20% Greek_Pontus + 33.80% DA87_Kimak
5.25217750 57.80% Greek_Pontus + 42.20% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.33270263 58.60% Greek_Pontus + 41.40% Uzbeki
5.47667559 57.80% Armenian_East + 42.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.59522765 51.20% Greek_Pontus + 48.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.67645717 41.60% Greek_Pontus + 58.40% Turkmen_Iran
5.78084814 61.40% Armenian_West + 38.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.84463916 48.20% Armenian_East + 51.80% Turkmen_Iran
5.92566306 60.40% Armenian_West + 39.60% Uzbek
5.98776569 71.00% Armenian_East + 29.00% Uyghur
6.01675752 62.00% Armenian_West + 38.00% Uzbeki
6.05401868 62.80% Greek_Cappadocia + 37.20% Uzbeki
6.15179236 41.60% Georgian + 58.40% MA2196_Ottoman
6.22071589 61.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 38.80% Uzbek
6.22203079 46.00% Armenian_West + 54.00% MA2196_Ottoman
6.27843776 42.40% Greek_Pontus + 57.60% MA2196_Ottoman
6.37717189 39.60% Georgian_Gurian + 60.40% MA2196_Ottoman
6.43806524 62.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 37.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
Altaylı
03-23-2021, 05:17 PM
Ankara Kızılcahamam
Gedrosia 10.43 Pct
Siberian 5.78 Pct
Northwest_African 1.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 14.16 Pct
North_European 17.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.33 Pct
East_Asian 5.19 Pct
Caucasus 34.53 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Ankaralı
Distance: 1.1368% / 1.13675072 | ADC: 0.25x RC
27.1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
26.5 Nogai
21.8 Greek_Fournoi
17.5 Turk_Northwest
7.1 Yemenite_Mahra
Distance to: Ankaralı
3.62433422 52.00% Ashkenazi_Jews + 48.00% Nogai
3.80970120 56.60% Greek_Crete + 43.40% Nogai
3.90646015 56.00% Greek_Fournoi + 44.00% Nogai
4.46567322 52.60% Greek_Kos + 47.40% Nogai
4.70322937 55.80% Greek_Izmir + 44.20% Nogai
4.86148338 57.00% Greek_Lemnos + 43.00% Nogai
4.91303224 51.20% Greek_Rhodes + 48.80% Nogai
5.27360177 59.00% Greek_Izmir + 41.00% Turkmen_Iran
5.30271976 70.20% Greek_Crete + 29.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.37369733 71.20% Greek_Crete + 28.80% Uzbeki
5.39768869 49.20% Greek_Icaria + 50.80% Nogai
5.41090637 58.20% Greek_Foca + 41.80% Turkmen_Iran
5.52546863 70.40% Greek_Izmir + 29.60% Uzbeki
5.57690008 69.40% Greek_Izmir + 30.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.73949763 55.00% Greek_Foca + 45.00% Nogai
5.79839624 69.80% Greek_Crete + 30.20% Uzbek
5.80705211 64.60% Greek_Izmir + 35.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.86748467 77.20% Greek_Crete + 22.80% DA87_Kimak
5.87730744 59.80% Greek_Fournoi + 40.20% Turkmen_Iran
5.95138446 60.40% Greek_Crete + 39.60% Turkmen_Iran
5.98721406 70.20% Greek_Fournoi + 29.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.98853991 69.00% Greek_Izmir + 31.00% Uzbek
6.07537441 71.20% Greek_Fournoi + 28.80% Uzbeki
6.15301930 65.80% Greek_Crete + 34.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
6.24132977 55.00% Greek_Athens + 45.00% Turkmen_Iran
Very high north european
Kaspias
03-23-2021, 05:45 PM
Kırşehir Turk:
4.96101736 49.20% Armenian_East + 50.80% MA2196_Ottoman
= Straightforward 25% Oghuz. Most reliable calculation ever.
From a small Azerbaijani community in Central Anatolia (Afyon). Their ancestry is from the Javanshir clan of the Afshar tribe (Ruling clan of the Karabakh Khanate):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanshir_clan
Gedrosia: 21.09
Siberian: 1.83
NW_African: 1.37
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.39
North_European: 9.29
South_Asia: 3.67
East_African: 0.23
SW_Asian: 9.51
East_Asian: 5.05
Caucasus: 36.54
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Javanshir
3.49589760 Azerbaijani
3.54437583 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.71309844 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.27672772 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.03223010 Turk_Southeast
6.44965891 Azerbaijani_North
7.36041439 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.43643060 Turk_Central_East
7.58904474 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.65412307 Turk_South
8.06672176 Zaza
8.25192705 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.41547384 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.70340163 Yazidi
8.75580950 Kurd_Adygea
8.97631327 Turk_Central_West
9.18825881 Iraq_Turkmen
9.44573449 Kurd_Sorani
9.54526584 Iran_Central
9.55300476 Udi
9.66525737 Turk_East
10.81714842 Turk_Southwest
10.89871093 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.91403225 Iranian
10.95984945 Iran_Khorasan
Target: Javanshir
Distance: 1.6779% / 1.67793475 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.3 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.3 Abkhazian
6.4 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
3.2 Balkan_Gypsy
Dr_Maul
03-23-2021, 06:19 PM
I think I know that account, posted the guy sometime last year. But I'm surprised how non-Euro he looks! I mean with that percentage of North European he is still as dark and woggy as many Azerbaijanis who score only a fraction of that.
as has been said by many Caucasian members here it seems light features is west to east and not directly related to steppe admixture etc
as has been said by many Caucasian members here it seems light features is west to east and not directly related to steppe admixture etc
Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's ass about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.
RatCat
03-23-2021, 07:16 PM
Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.
There isn't a huge difference between Caucasians in terms of pigmentation but if we compare on average Western ones are lighter, with Western Georgians being the lightest in the whole Caucasus. Btw don't think they are majority light, they are the lightest but they are %16-18 light on average. I'll leave some studies that made on this subject.
Eye Color
https://i.ibb.co/wcCG6NJ/Untitled.jpg
https://c.radikal.ru/c17/2010/5a/d8ec67c441cd.jpg
https://a.radikal.ru/a12/2010/79/aed7a7e91af9.jpg
Hair Color
https://c.radikal.ru/c18/2010/1a/da5518eff7cf.jpg
https://d.radikal.ru/d42/2010/62/02fc5161ac02.jpg
Dr_Maul
03-23-2021, 07:16 PM
Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's ass about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.
There was a map posted here by a Georgian member if I am not mistaken, a Russian anthropology one. I am not sure if it was hair or eyes or both, but it was a clear gradient with the darkest in Lankaran (southeast Azerbaijan, talysh) and the highest % of lightness in Circassia and Adygea. Maybe you know what map I refer to
Sterling Archer
03-23-2021, 07:31 PM
There isn't a huge difference between Caucasians in terms of pigmentation but if we compare on average Western ones are lighter, with Western Georgians being the lightest in the whole Caucasus. Btw don't think they are majority light, they are the lightest but they are %16-18 light on average. I'll leave some studies that made on this subject.
This is indeed true. Differences are not very pronounced. I'd say only Talysh would be clearly different, otherwise phenotype is surprisingly similar, with some regional variations.
PS. Once in the Saint Petersburg metro this drunk Russian guy asked me where I was from, and having learned that I was from Azerbaijan, started objecting that I look just like his Mingrelian friend, so I must be Georgian. Couldn't shake him off, so I was very relieved when I arrived at the next station and could gtfo. As I was leaving the carriage he shouted Грузин! (Georgian!) after me. One the most akward moments of my life :)
Sterling Archer
03-23-2021, 07:31 PM
double
I don't consider the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians Caucasian. The Armenian homeland extends deep into modern Turkey which is not part of the Caucasus and Iran has probably more Azerbaijanis than the eponymous country. So to me the Caucasus is Georgia and the Caucasian Federal District of Russia.
Sterling Archer
03-23-2021, 08:48 PM
I don't consider the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians Caucasian. The Armenian homeland extends deep into modern Turkey which is not part of the Caucasus and Iran has probably more Azerbaijanis than the eponymous country. So to me the Caucasus is Georgia and the Caucasian Federal District of Russia.
https://i.imgur.com/6PKKbEL.jpg
Altaylı
03-24-2021, 06:41 AM
Many? There's not many Caucasians on TA and those who claim they are Caucasians are oftentimes some shady trolls. They never post about genetics, so I don't give a rat's ass about those socks. And that statement of yours is debatable IMO. That'd mean Dagestan is supposed to be the darkest of all.
Everyone is Troll except Leto:dizzy::dizzy:
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 07:54 AM
Here were always discussions between members, but at least they had, even a bit, a connection to this topic. But it seems some members like to spam this thread regularly.
Everyone is Troll except Leto:dizzy::dizzy:
Even you are not a troll, this kind of comments are annoying. Personally i don’t have a problem if someone is posting known samples like you, at least it keeps this thread alive. But posting nonsense like this is ridiculous and it lowers the level of this thread.
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 08:11 AM
Someone from Ardahan and Posof. First I thought he is an Ahiska Turk, but the results would seem to suggest that he is a Georgian from Turkey.
Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 0.82 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.22 Pct
North_European 8.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 58.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ardahan
3.66096982 Georgian_Imereti
3.78681925 Georgian
4.29507858 Georgian_Gurian
5.22372472 Laz
5.32589899 Georgian_Mingrelian
5.63403053 Georgian_Adjara
5.98845556 Hemshin
6.28606395 Turk_Ahiska
7.10367511 Abkhazian
7.28967763 Georgian_Svan
7.84325188 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.55659458 Greek_Pontus
11.26007549 Armenian_East
12.38659760 Ossetian_South
14.17104442 Armenian_West
14.21759825 Turk_East
14.32207387 Udi
15.12281389 Ossetian
15.37025699 Adyghe
17.31802240 Assyrian_North
17.47564877 Azeri_Jew
17.53359917 Assyrian_West
17.85391834 Assyrian_South
17.93393989 Circassian
18.03973115 Karachay
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 08:16 AM
From a small Azerbaijani community in Central Anatolia (Afyon). Their ancestry is from the Javanshir clan of the Afshar tribe (Ruling clan of the Karabakh Khanate):
This is very interesting. Do these people still retain their distinct identity?
Altaylı
03-24-2021, 08:22 AM
Here were always discussions between members, but at least they had, even a bit, a connection to this topic. But it seems some members like to spam this thread regularly.
Even you are not a troll, this kind of comments are annoying. Personally i don’t have a problem if someone is posting known samples like you, at least it keeps this thread alive. But posting nonsense like this is ridiculous and it lowers the level of this thread.
Leto attacked to me many times for nonsense but no one said something to him bu yüzden ona musallat oldum postlarımı görmezden gel bana diyordun ya pm den sende yapabilirsin
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 08:37 AM
Leto attacked to me many times for nonsense bu yüzden ona musallat oldum postlarımı görmezden gel bana diyordun ya pm den sende yapabilirsin
You are already in my ignore list, don’t worry. But if i am reading this thread offline, i just see your nonsense. It is already annoying, every second page there is some bs which were posted by you. Your comments are just childish and this is not the place where you can spread this ridiculous stuff. If you feel attacked by Leto then you should solve this with him. Spamming this thread just makes you to an offender.
Altaylı
03-24-2021, 08:49 AM
You are already in my ignore list, don’t worry. But if i am reading this thread offline, i just see your nonsense. It is already annoying, every second page there is some bs which were posted by you. Your comments are just childish and this is not the place where you can spread this ridiculous stuff. If you feel attacked by Leto then you should solve this with him. Spamming this thread just makes you to an offender.
You are already in my ignore list, don’t worry. But if i am reading this thread offline, i just see your nonsense
I don't care
I can't understand why 20-30 years old men crying like a teen girl against to me(especially leto)
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 08:59 AM
No one is crying, you are spamming a cool thread with your fucking bs. Dont be a dumbass and act like a men.
I won’t post anything else regarding this, but this is a troll behavior and if you don’t want that he is claiming that you are a troll, stop beeing childish and dont post any nonsense here. Because you are the reason why this thread becomes a lower level thread.
Altaylı
03-24-2021, 09:07 AM
No one is crying, you are spamming a cool thread with your fucking bs. Dont be a dumbass and act like a men.
I won’t post anything else regarding this, but this is a troll behavior and if you don’t want that he is claiming that you are a troll, stop beeing childish and dont post any nonsense here. Because you this thread becomes a lower level thread.
You are crying now you thumb downed my post (+1 butthurt point)
Whatever
Edit: artık pmden bana şunu yapma bunu yapma diye komut vermesene siklemiyorum pmden yazdıklarını adam ol diyorsun ya bide ankaraya gel adamlığı sana bi göstereyim
Yaşın büyük diye saygı gösterim diyorum habire pm den bana komut veriyorsun gerizekalı mısın sen illaha anana değerlerine diğerlerinin yaptığı gibi sövmek mi lazım?
Leto attacked to me many times for nonsense but no one said something to him
I don't attack you anymore, some comments are not an attack. And maybe I'm just a more reputable user. I help develop the updated Dodecad oracle, so I am the custodian of this thread :cool:
This is very interesting. Do these people still retain their distinct identity?
I dont know to be honest. What's even more interesting is that they supossedly migrated to Anatolia in the year 1700. Considering the result is still a typical Azerbaijani results would mean that Azerbaijani ethnogenesis was completed by the year 1700.
Fedora
03-24-2021, 01:35 PM
This is very interesting. Do these people still retain their distinct identity?
Well, they know their ancestral place through oral history and tribal history. Tatars in Turkey still know they're tatars :D Most of them came 300-400 years ago starting in 17th century
here is the regions the tribe settled
http://www.avsarelleri.com/FileUpload/ks776364/File/3_-_cevansir_harita.jpg
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 01:39 PM
I dont know to be honest. What's even more interesting is that they supossedly migrated to Anatolia in the year 1700. Considering the result is still a typical Azerbaijani results would mean that Azerbaijani ethnogenesis was completey by the year 1700.
I am more surprised that the admixture remained almost intact. This person looks uber typical for the Republic Azerbaijani. Did they migrate from the republic part or Iranian Azerbaijan?
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 01:43 PM
Well, they know their ancestral place through oral history and tribal history. Tatars in Turkey still know they're tatars :D Most of them came 300-400 years ago starting in 17th century
here is the regions the tribe settled
Edit: Okay, now I see that those are not Tatars, but Javanshir clan. Georgia and Armenia make sense then. Are they still present in the North Western Black sea region?
Do you guys know this one? A Turkish woman with 14% East Eurasian.
Gedrosia 12.88 Pct
Siberian 6.9 Pct
Northwest_African 1.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 11.06 Pct
South_Asian 1.53 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 7.13 Pct
Caucasus 34.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Esma
2.85348909 Turk_Southwest
4.37046908 Turk_Northwest
5.36872424 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.48777733 Turk_Central_West
5.49429704 Turk_South
7.00484832 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.40161889 Turk_Central_East
9.53840133 Turk_Southeast
11.75096592 Azerbaijani
12.18956931 Azerbaijani_Turkey
Distance to: Esma
1.96493828 11.60% Nogai_Astrakhan + 88.40% Turk_Central_West
1.96757067 8.80% Altaian_Telengit + 91.20% Turk_Central_West
1.97101241 8.60% Altaian_Kizhi + 91.40% Turk_Central_West
2.05215475 2.60% Nivh + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.06550439 2.60% Nanai + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.06882163 8.80% Khakass + 91.20% Turk_Central_West
2.06954728 2.60% Negidal + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.07984977 2.60% Oroqen + 97.40% Turk_Southwest
2.08316100 10.40% Kazakh + 89.60% Turk_Central_West
2.10930870 2.40% Daur + 97.60% Turk_Southwest
2.12852022 7.40% Buryat + 92.60% Turk_Central_West
2.13476567 8.00% Kalmyk + 92.00% Turk_Central_West
2.14095461 2.80% Khamnigan + 97.20% Turk_Southwest
2.14209132 3.00% Buryat + 97.00% Turk_Southwest
2.15823116 92.40% Turk_Central_West + 7.60% Tuvan
2.16335327 2.40% Hezhen + 97.60% Turk_Southwest
2.16478235 3.00% Mongol_Khalkh + 97.00% Turk_Southwest
2.16554052 7.20% Khamnigan + 92.80% Turk_Central_West
2.16615331 3.00% Mongol_Uuld + 97.00% Turk_Southwest
2.17240848 3.20% Kalmyk + 96.80% Turk_Southwest
Target: Esma
Distance: 1.2432% / 1.24319463 | ADC: 0.5x RC
91.7 Turk_Southwest
5.3 Coptic
3.0 Negidal
altaic
03-24-2021, 02:26 PM
4.96101736 49.20% Armenian_East + 50.80% MA2196_Ottoman
= Straightforward 25% Oghuz. Most reliable calculation ever.
So it means I am 10-12% Oghuz based on my 2-population below? How close TianShan and Ottoman samples? Can you tell approximate Turkic just by looking these?
2-Population Approximation List:
1. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA59_TianShanSaka @ 1,497426
2. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA81_TianShanHun @ 1,604093
3. %6 Russian_Tver + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,701592
4. %6 Russian_Smolensk + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,722981
5. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA47_TianShanSaka @ 1,73762
6. %79.7 Armenian_West + %20.3 Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 @ 1,8679
7. %78.5 Armenian_West + %21.5 Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 @ 2,1243
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In addition; I have match from Vani, Imereti, Georgia whom 100% Caucasus on 23andme. His name is Giorgi and his hablogroup is J-M67
I see you guys were talking about Caucasus regions I thought I share my Vahaduo Dodecad K12b which shows Udi on 0.25x and 0.5x
I have some sort of Caucasus/Circassian ancestry but I am not fully knowledgeable about the details.
Target: Altaic
Distance: 2.993989% / 2.99398876 | ADC: 1x RC
54.6 Turk_Southeast
30.2 Turk_East
10.2 Turk_Central_East
5.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
Target: Altaic
Distance: 1.604076% / 1.60407617 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.8 Turk_Southeast
33.8 Udi
11.2 Greek_Foca
7.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Target: Altaic
Distance: 1.428108% / 1.42810799 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.8 Turk_Southeast
37.6 Udi
9.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.2 Greek_Peloponnese
3.0 Bulgarian_East
Kaspias
03-24-2021, 02:40 PM
So it means I am 10-12% Oghuz based on my 2-population below? How close TianShan and Ottoman samples? Can you tell approximate Turkic just by looking these?
I cannot tell, Hun/Saka is not appropriate to measure our Turkic ancestry as populations transformed once more after the dissolution of Xiongnu.
Try to model yourself with Kimak sample as well as native proxies such as Zaza, Armenians and Cappadocian Greeks, going with your ancestral location.
Altaylı
03-24-2021, 02:49 PM
So it means I am 10-12% Oghuz based on my 2-population below? How close TianShan and Ottoman samples? Can you tell approximate Turkic just by looking these?
Try with this(For Dodecad k12b)
DA87_Kimak,20.45,23.46,0.00,3.37,2.55,20.85,0.00,0 .36,0.95,18.73,6.72,2.55
I am more surprised that the admixture remained almost intact. This person looks uber typical for the Republic Azerbaijani. Did they migrate from the republic part or Iranian Azerbaijan?
They migrated from what is now Karabakh. Javanshir clan is mainly tied to Karabakh. I couldn't find information on them that they were anywhere else prior to it.
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 04:06 PM
Azerbaijani from the republic. Judging by higher than normal SWA maybe even from Karabakh.
Gedrosia 19.77 Pct
Siberian 1.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.55 Pct
North_European 11.25 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.83 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.89 Pct
East_Asian 3.65 Pct
Caucasus 38.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Huseyn
4.30281303 Azerbaijani
5.12728973 Turk_Southeast
5.26059883 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.51416358 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.30322531 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.65157500 Turkmen_Iraq
7.68296167 Zaza
7.73168804 Turk_Central_East
8.03272681 Turk_South
8.18942000 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.20256058 Kurd_Sorani
8.63025492 Kurd_Adygea
8.97368375 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.99299172 Yazidi
9.19056582 Turk_Central_West
9.28961248 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.39091050 Udi
9.43561869 Turk_East
10.52277055 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.16965532 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.61432736 Turk_Southwest
11.67877990 Iranian_Lur
11.67877990 Lur_Iran
13.22261321 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
13.47392296 Iranian_Khorasan
I have found one too. She is an English teacher from Azerbaijan. I think she must have North Caucasian ancestry
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJEQCxjCnk/
Gedrosia 24.87 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.2 Pct
North_European 18.87 Pct
South_Asian 1.11 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.52 Pct
East_Asian 1.36 Pct
Caucasus 41.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.55 Pct
Distance to: Aynur
2.57060304 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.54401805 Chechen
4.89177882 Ingush
5.44787114 Kumyk
5.64351841 Lezgin
6.70563196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.57225858 Lak
8.70009195 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.72946161 Balkar
8.78223206 Karachay
8.93508254 Adyghe
9.17811527 Kabardin
9.22030911 Avar
9.41533855 Tabasaran
9.43932201 Abazin
9.53399706 Circassian
9.96855055 Kaitag_Dagestan
9.97652244 Ossetian
10.96557796 Dargin
12.22514213 Ossetian_South
Target: Aynur
Distance: 1.1968% / 1.19675377 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.8 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
25.0 Lezgin
6.2 Iranian_Mazandaran
I dislike this Tsakhur reference, I think it's based on one family.
w/o the Tsakhur
Target: Aynur
Distance: 1.1191% / 1.11905851 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.5 Chechen
21.2 Lezgin
12.8 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.5 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 04:47 PM
I have found one too. She is an English teacher from Azerbaijan. I think she must have North Caucasian ancestry
I have posted this already. Might be Tsakhur(or just very north shifted Azerbaijani like the ones from Qakh and Zaqatala), but as you said, Tsakhur average is a bit wonky.
The average is based on three very different samples from Suvagil village in Azerbaijan.
They are not from the same family, very different from each other.
Found them (all have different names):
Tsakhur1,24.94,1.97,0,0,5.01,21.83,0.89,0,4.13,3.3 1,37.91,0
Tsakhur2,22.98,2.25,0,0,5.61,18.01,1.83,0,5.63,2.5 3,41.16,0
Tsakhur3,21.18,2.27,0,0,5.56,16.68,0,0,6.64,0.82,4 6.85,0
altaic
03-24-2021, 04:47 PM
I cannot tell, Hun/Saka is not appropriate to measure our Turkic ancestry as populations transformed once more after the dissolution of Xiongnu.
Try to model yourself with Kimak sample as well as native proxies such as Zaza, Armenians and Cappadocian Greeks, going with your ancestral location.
Target: Altaic (Kimak, Zaza, Cappadocia, Armenia and Udi added; lowest distance)
Distance: 2.640883% / 2.64088302
44.4 Zaza
36.6 Greek_Cappadocia
10.2 DA87_Kimak
8.8 Udi
Target: Altaic (only Armenia and Kimak added)
Distance: 4.905811% / 4.90581128
61.6 Armenian_East
21.0 Armenian_West
17.4 DA87_Kimak
Try with this(For Dodecad k12b)
DA87_Kimak,20.45,23.46,0.00,3.37,2.55,20.85,0.00,0 .36,0.95,18.73,6.72,2.55
Thanks
I have posted this already. Might be Tsakhur(or just very north shifted Azerbaijani like the ones from Qakh and Zaqatala), but as you said, Tsakhur average is a bit wonky.
The average is based on three very different samples from Suvagil village in Azerbaijan.
Don't think they were from the same family though, very different from each other.
Found them (different names, so not the same family):
Tsakhur1,24.94,1.97,0,0,5.01,21.83,0.89,0,4.13,3.3 1,37.91,0
Tsakhur2,22.98,2.25,0,0,5.61,18.01,1.83,0,5.63,2.5 3,41.16,0
Tsakhur3,21.18,2.27,0,0,5.56,16.68,0,0,6.64,0.82,4 6.85,0
Okay, but this time we have a photo which is always interesting.
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 04:53 PM
Okay, but this time we have a photo which is always interesting.
I find the third sample very interesting. His Caucasus is through the roof for Azerbaijani or Dagestani.
Distance to: Tsakhur3
3.54914074 Adyghe
4.45827321 Ingush
4.86638470 Ossetian
6.00836916 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
6.12391215 Karachay
6.43847808 Ossetian_South
6.45721302 Circassian
6.94694177 Balkar
7.01016405 Chechen
7.22562800 Abazin
7.95542582 Kumyk
8.44811813 Kabardin
8.51482237 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.10720535 Abkhazian
11.00249972 Udi
11.48763683 Turk_Ahiska
12.39288909 Turk_East
12.64806705 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.72264910 Lezgin
12.90102322 Georgian
13.26729814 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.63304808 Georgian_Svan
13.64505038 Azerbaijani
13.68837098 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.70870162 Zaza
Kaspias
03-24-2021, 05:50 PM
Target: Altaic (Kimak, Zaza, Cappadocia, Armenia and Udi added; lowest distance)
Distance: 2.640883% / 2.64088302
44.4 Zaza
36.6 Greek_Cappadocia
10.2 DA87_Kimak
8.8 Udi
Target: Altaic (only Armenia and Kimak added)
Distance: 4.905811% / 4.90581128
61.6 Armenian_East
21.0 Armenian_West
17.4 DA87_Kimak
Thanks
10-12% seems reasonable.
I have posted this already. Might be Tsakhur(or just very north shifted Azerbaijani like the ones from Qakh and Zaqatala), but as you said, Tsakhur average is a bit wonky.
The average is based on three very different samples from Suvagil village in Azerbaijan.
They are not from the same family, very different from each other.
Found them (all have different names):
Tsakhur1,24.94,1.97,0,0,5.01,21.83,0.89,0,4.13,3.3 1,37.91,0
Tsakhur2,22.98,2.25,0,0,5.61,18.01,1.83,0,5.63,2.5 3,41.16,0
Tsakhur3,21.18,2.27,0,0,5.56,16.68,0,0,6.64,0.82,4 6.85,0
NK6525185
DF5021482
BF5421902
These are all close relatives. If that's the data set, I strongly suggest deletion. After all, the Tsakhurs are neither unique nor important.
Thracian
03-24-2021, 06:08 PM
10-12% seems reasonable.
Why do you think that Kimak can be proxy for Oghuz Turks (if I did not understand wrong)?
Kaspias
03-24-2021, 06:17 PM
Why do you think that Kimak can be proxy for Oghuz Turks (if I did not understand wrong)?
Thanks again. I have had Iranians on the pright but it somehow reduced the p-value, so I removed it.
I think these 3 models are really crucial while answering "how the genome of Oghuz was?" We had been using DA89 for a long time, but I recently started to question the accuracy of our method(I think DA89 is 3/4 Gokturk and 1/4 Sogdian, this turns it into a false-candidate for Oghuz) and came to the conclusion that Oghuz should be in between Kipchak and Kimak after searching on historical perspective(The one that helped most was: İlk Oğuzlar, Osman Karatay). Both of the Kipchak samples we have is not representative so went with the Kimak-like option. Apparently I was right, because this is the only passing model when using Medieval samples. In addition, the region where these samples are collected(Kayseri) were housing Cappadocian Greeks that is what I used for the native admixture of them, so the result is pretty solid and one can come with guesses on Western Anatolia(10-40% Kimak?), too.
Do you remember that you asked me the population to use while representing Anatolian Turk's Anatolian ancestry? I have found the Roopkund outlier in the spreadsheet who is a Central Anatolian Greek from the classical Ottoman Era, and simulated possible scenarios using 3 different Turkic populations.
Simon's Turkish samples are from Hodoğlugil's study and collected in Kayseri: http://simonsfoundation.s3.amazonaws.com/share/SCDA/datasets/10_24_2014_SGDP_metainformation_update.txt
These Kayseri samples have ~6% East Eurasian on average -referencing Gedmatch- so we can draw further conclusions based on it.
# right
"Mbuti.DG",
"Han.DG",
"Saami.DG",
"Icelandic.DG",
"Sardinian.DG",
"Punjabi.DG",
"Eskimo_Chaplin.DG",
"BedouinB.DG",
"Basque.DG"
! 90852 SNPs remain after filtering. 78431 are polymorphic.
target left weight se z
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Anatolian_Turkish.DG Anatolian_Greek_Medieval 0.863 0.0363 23.8
2 Anatolian_Turkish.DG Kimak.SG 0.137 0.0363 3.76
f4rank dof chisq p dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
<int> <int> <dbl> <dbl> <int> <dbl> <dbl>
1 1 7 8.43 2.96e- 1 9 419. 1.00e-84
2 0 16 428. 5.31e-81 NA NA NA
! 99251 SNPs remain after filtering. 85286 are polymorphic.
target left weight se z
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Anatolian_Turkish.DG Anatolian_Greek_Medieval 0.816 0.0472 17.3
2 Anatolian_Turkish.DG Gokturk.SG 0.184 0.0472 3.90
f4rank dof chisq p dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
<int> <int> <dbl> <dbl> <int> <dbl> <dbl>
1 1 7 15.8 2.74e- 2 9 303. 6.10e-60
2 0 16 319. 3.31e-58 NA NA NA
! 247268 SNPs remain after filtering. 213710 are polymorphic.
target left weight se z
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Anatolian_Turkish.DG Anatolian_Greek_Medieval 0.851 0.0283 30.1
2 Anatolian_Turkish.DG Ottoman_MA2195.SG 0.149 0.0283 5.27
f4rank dof chisq p dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
<int> <int> <dbl> <dbl> <int> <dbl> <dbl>
1 1 7 17.2 1.64e- 2 9 728. 6.69e-151
2 0 16 745. 3.16e-148 NA NA NA
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 06:22 PM
NK6525185
DF5021482
BF5421902
These are all close relatives. If that's the data set, I strongly suggest deletion. After all, the Tsakhurs are neither unique nor important.
Hmm... Is it me or NK6525185 and DF5021482 are the same person? The kit seems to have been uploaded by different people.
BF5421902 is indeed related to the first two.
Tsakhur3 is not among them though, which explains why it is so different.
Sample based on three people, of which two are closely related, is not very good. I agree.
As for removal, do we need to ask the person who created the average? Don't know the protocol for this things in this forum :noidea:
Hmm... Is it me or NK6525185 and DF5021482 are the same person? The kit seems to have been uploaded by different people.
BF5421902 is indeed related to the first two.
Tsakhur3 is not among them though, which explains why it is so different.
Sample based on three people, of which two are closely related, is not very good. I agree.
As for removal, do we need to ask the person who created the average? Don't know the protocol for this things in this forum :noidea:
That person is Kyp. I hope he doesn't mind me having it deleted.
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 07:47 PM
double
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 08:10 PM
Azerbaijani with a very high East Asian admixture. The highest I have seen. (4.58 + 1.29 + 5.2 = 11.07)
Actually there are some individuals from Shahseven and Terekkeme tribe who score 15-20% east eurasian. Once i saw the result of someone’s grandfather who had the highest amount of east eurasian which i have ever saw in Westasian Turkics, he itself was a regular Azerbaijani.
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 08:18 PM
Actually there are some individuals from Shahseven and Terekkeme tribe who score 15-20% east eurasian. Once i saw the result of someone’s grandfather who had the highest amount of east eurasian which i have ever saw in Westasian Turkics, he itself was a regular Azerbaijani.
Can you please post that result here? Usually the highest percentages are from the North-West of the country, but even there it rarely passes 10%.
I have never heard of 15% let alone 20%.
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 08:28 PM
Can you please post that result here? Usually the highest percentages are from the North-West of the country, but even there it rarely passes 10%.
I have never heard of 15% let alone 20%.
Unfortunately i don’t find that anymore, I saw this result years ago even before i was active here. I am not sure whether this person had more than 30% east eurasian, but it was definitely more than 20%. This Shahseven and Terekkeme samples are already known here, you can find them easily in previous dodecad threads. I also can remember that this person itself was genetically a regular Azerbaijani. I think there were some rural Azerbaijanis whith huge amount of Turkic admixture, but i doubt that many still have it. Maybe still Iranian Turkish individuals could surprise us, Republican Azerbaijanis won’t tbh.
Azerbaijani with a very high East Asian admixture. The highest I have seen. (4.58 + 1.29 + 5.2 = 11.07)
Gedrosia 21.75 Pct
Siberian 4.58 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.29 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.15 Pct
North_European 8.01 Pct
South_Asian 0.52 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.78 Pct
East_Asian 5.2 Pct
Caucasus 39.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ramil
3.73514391 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.24242855 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.35321720 Azerbaijani
6.48894444 Turk_Southeast
7.43611458 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.52316423 Zaza
7.79346521 Turk_Central_East
7.81003841 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.95269766 Turk_South
8.02705425 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.12884371 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.35296355 Kurd_Adygea
8.70544657 Yazidi
8.89662295 Udi
8.98086299 Turkmen_Iraq
9.09968131 Turk_East
9.58175871 Kurd_Sorani
9.84373913 Turk_Central_West
10.76485021 Iranian_Lur
10.76485021 Lur_Iran
11.77483333 Turk_Southwest
12.05934907 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.92861555 Iranian_Khorasan
13.28162641 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
13.31108561 Iraqi_Baghdad
Yep that's the highest of an Azerbaijani. He is from Northwest. Has been posted a couple of times already :P
Actually there are some individuals from Shahseven and Terekkeme tribe who score 15-20% east eurasian. Once i saw the result of someone’s grandfather who had the highest amount of east eurasian which i have ever saw in Westasian Turkics, he itself was a regular Azerbaijani.
No that was not a real Azerbaijani result. Its not confirmed.
Sterling Archer
03-24-2021, 09:11 PM
Strange that I couldn't find him in your spread sheet. I found it strange that you somehow have missed him ))
Strange that I couldn't find him in your spread sheet. I found it strange that you somehow have missed him ))
Because he has multiple versions of kits on gedmatch. the result might differ slightly.
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 09:17 PM
Yep that's the highest of an Azerbaijani. He is from Northwest. Has been posted a couple of times already :P
No that was not a real Azerbaijani result. Its not confirmed.
Who, the Shahseven or Terekkeme sample?
Who, the Shahseven or Terekkeme sample?
Terekkeme
Mejgusu
03-24-2021, 09:22 PM
Terekkeme
Really? I never questioned it, this result looked like Transcaucasian+Central Asian.
RatCat
03-24-2021, 09:30 PM
Half Armenian + Half Circassian
Population
Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.67 Pct
North_European 11.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.24 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 48.28 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Gugasian
5.54763012 Turk_East
5.77838213 Udi
6.25051998 Armenian_East
6.65520097 Turk_Ahiska
9.49128548 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.06310091 Armenian_West
10.25943956 Adyghe
10.28107485 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.32341029 Zaza
10.68555567 Turk_Central_East
10.92273775 Greek_Pontus
10.96204817 Hemshin
11.22325710 Georgian
11.35140079 Abkhazian
11.39620112 Ossetian
11.42059543 Laz
11.55630131 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.72245282 Azerbaijani
11.79468100 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.80744680 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.87800909 Ossetian_South
12.07694498 Turk_Southeast
12.11364520 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.24316136 Azeri_Jew
12.27705176 Assyrian_North
Target: Gugasian
Distance: 1.7808% / 1.78082046 | R2P
71.6 Armenian_East
28.4 Chechen
Target: Gugasian
Distance: 1.1142% / 1.11424250 | R3P
44.7 Georgian_Imereti
43.2 Assyrian_North
12.1 Polish_Mazovia
Target: Gugasian
Distance: 2.2672% / 2.26723194 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.6 Armenian_East
35.2 Adyghe
6.2 Udi
Target: Gugasian
Distance: 3.2931% / 3.29313357 | ADC: 1x RC
50.5 Turk_East
26.7 Turk_Ahiska
21.9 Adyghe
0.9 Udi
RatCat
03-25-2021, 11:28 AM
She is Half Armenian + Half Circassian
https://i.ibb.co/VwVW04q/gugass.png
Distance to: Gugasian
1.78082046 71.60% Armenian_East + 28.40% Chechen
1.93743505 79.40% Armenian_East + 20.60% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.08403799 79.00% Armenian_East + 21.00% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.15685719 78.40% Armenian_East + 21.60% Lak
2.17447825 71.00% Armenian_East + 29.00% Kumyk
2.19007606 80.60% Armenian_East + 19.40% Dargin
Distance to: Gugasian
2.51123365 50.60% Armenian_West + 49.40% Adyghe
2.57235749 60.60% Armenian_West + 39.40% Chechen
2.81465793 55.00% Adyghe + 45.00% Assyrian_West
3.03934695 54.80% Adyghe + 45.20% Assyrian_North
3.08456561 56.20% Armenian_West + 43.80% Ingush
3.08490835 58.40% Armenian_West + 41.60% Balkar
3.09581162 55.80% Adyghe + 44.20% Assyrian_South
It seems Eastern Armenians are much more Caucasus shifted than Western Armenians.
harutsafaryan07
03-25-2021, 12:51 PM
She is Half Armenian + Half Circassian
https://i.ibb.co/VwVW04q/gugass.png
Distance to:Gugasian
1.7808204671.60% Armenian_East + 28.40% Chechen
1.9374350579.40% Armenian_East + 20.60% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.0840379979.00% Armenian_East + 21.00% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.1568571978.40% Armenian_East + 21.60% Lak
2.1744782571.00% Armenian_East + 29.00% Kumyk
2.1900760680.60% Armenian_East + 19.40% Dargin
Distance to:Gugasian
2.5112336550.60% Armenian_West + 49.40% Adyghe
2.5723574960.60% Armenian_West + 39.40% Chechen
2.8146579355.00% Adyghe + 45.00% Assyrian_West
3.0393469554.80% Adyghe + 45.20% Assyrian_North
3.0845656156.20% Armenian_West + 43.80% Ingush
3.0849083558.40% Armenian_West + 41.60% Balkar
3.0958116255.80% Adyghe + 44.20% Assyrian_South
It seems Eastern Armenians are much more Caucasus shifted than Western Armenians.Yes West Armenians have shift to Levant than East Armenians
Отправлено с моего DLI-TL20 через Tapatalk
Persian/Mazandarani (one grandmother with Afshar surname but he isn't aware of any turkic ancestry):
Gedrosia: 27.48
Siberian: 3.16
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 1.32
Atlantic_Med: 7.52
North_European: 6.25
South_Asia: 3.56
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.04
East_Asian: 0.07
Caucasus: 38.23
SSA: 0.37
Distance to: Persian/Mazandarani
3.96258754 Yazidi
4.45615305 Iranian_Lur
4.45615305 Lur_Iran
4.69824435 Kurd_Adygea
5.11314971 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.19247532 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.09965573 Kurd_Sorani
6.35560383 Zaza
6.72945020 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.57969656 Turkmen_Iraq
8.37331476 Azerbaijani
8.39886897 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.76033104 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.98887090 Iranian_Khorasan
10.21417642 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.63910711 Udi
11.10192326 Turk_Southeast
12.92484816 Turk_East
13.18126322 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.99854992 Turk_Central_East
14.54666628 Turk_South
14.67354763 Mandean
15.37649180 Azeri_Jew
15.38681578 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.92901441 Turk_Central_West
Target: Persian/Mazandarani
Distance: 1.6424% / 1.64236004 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.2 Yazidi
35.9 Iranian_Mazandaran
14.5 Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.6 Dolgan
2.1 Spanish_Basque
0.7 Cambodians
RatCat
03-25-2021, 03:54 PM
Pontic Greek from Trabzon/Çaykara
Y-DNA: L-M22
https://i.hizliresim.com/ExWRsl.png
Population
Gedrosia 14.67 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.62 Pct
North_European 6.71 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.39 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 57.23 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Nikos
3.32176158 Laz
3.53191166 Hemshin
3.66155705 Turk_East_Black_Sea
4.55601800 Greek_Pontus
6.70867349 Georgian_Adjara
7.10038027 Turk_Ahiska
8.38133044 Georgian_Imereti
8.45924938 Armenian_East
8.52849342 Georgian
9.55370609 Georgian_Gurian
10.41316474 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.61587961 Armenian_West
11.59568023 Abkhazian
12.41578431 Turk_East
12.59060761 Georgian_Svan
13.51544302 Greek_Cappadocia
13.57698788 Udi
14.37757629 Assyrian_West
14.48622449 Assyrian_North
14.89696278 Azeri_Jew
14.91371181 Assyrian_South
15.84335192 Ossetian_South
17.34064589 Adyghe
17.44573014 Ossetian
17.95584306 Kurdish_Jew
Target: Nikos
Distance: 1.6529% / 1.65290112 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.1 Greek_Pontus
34.7 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.2 Greek_Icaria
Target: Nikos
Distance: 2.0897% / 2.08967533 | ADC: 0.5x RC
77.2 Laz
12.1 Georgian_Gurian
10.7 Greek_Icaria
Target: Nikos
Distance: 1.9825% / 1.98250305 | R2P
71.4 Greek_Pontus
28.6 Georgian_Mingrelian
Fedora
03-25-2021, 04:46 PM
Pontic Greek from Trabzon/Çaykara
Y-DNA: L-M22
https://i.hizliresim.com/ExWRsl.png
Population
Gedrosia 14.67 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.62 Pct
North_European 6.71 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.39 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 57.23 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Nikos
3.32176158 Laz
3.53191166 Hemshin
3.66155705 Turk_East_Black_Sea
4.55601800 Greek_Pontus
6.70867349 Georgian_Adjara
7.10038027 Turk_Ahiska
8.38133044 Georgian_Imereti
8.45924938 Armenian_East
8.52849342 Georgian
9.55370609 Georgian_Gurian
10.41316474 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.61587961 Armenian_West
11.59568023 Abkhazian
12.41578431 Turk_East
12.59060761 Georgian_Svan
13.51544302 Greek_Cappadocia
13.57698788 Udi
14.37757629 Assyrian_West
14.48622449 Assyrian_North
14.89696278 Azeri_Jew
14.91371181 Assyrian_South
15.84335192 Ossetian_South
17.34064589 Adyghe
17.44573014 Ossetian
17.95584306 Kurdish_Jew
Target: Nikos
Distance: 1.6529% / 1.65290112 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.1 Greek_Pontus
34.7 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.2 Greek_Icaria
Target: Nikos
Distance: 2.0897% / 2.08967533 | ADC: 0.5x RC
77.2 Laz
12.1 Georgian_Gurian
10.7 Greek_Icaria
Target: Nikos
Distance: 1.9825% / 1.98250305 | R2P
71.4 Greek_Pontus
28.6 Georgian_Mingrelian
In Caykara except for two the muslim villages are still romeyka speaking. I've seen result from a turkish village in Caykara it was identical to this result.
RatCat
03-25-2021, 06:31 PM
In Caykara except for two the muslim villages are still romeyka speaking. I've seen result from a turkish village in Caykara it was identical to this result.
They still speak it in a village next to my mom's village too. But no one in my mom's village speaks it nor understands it.
Altaylı
03-25-2021, 06:47 PM
Mersin Turkish/Yoruk
Gedrosia 11.38 Pct
Siberian 8.53
Northwest_African 0.12
Southeast_Asian 1.97 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.44 Pct
North_European 10.24 Pct
South_Asian 2.27
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.61 Pct
East_Asian 7.75
Caucasus 35.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Test
5.32295970 Turk_Southwest
6.37145195 Turk_South
6.63343049 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.73216904 Turk_Northwest
7.05460842 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.10188707 Turk_Central_West
9.04029314 Turk_Central_East
10.73718771 Turk_Southeast
12.68252735 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.69527077 Azerbaijani
14.08732764 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.18439283 MA2196_Ottoman
14.24207850 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.72638547 Turk_East
15.74727913 Turk_Cyprus
15.90448364 Kabardin
16.10484399 Turkmen_Iran
16.36237147 Abazin
16.76114256 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.90517376 Turkmen_Iraq
17.42061710 Circassian
17.48530812 Greek_Crete
17.58629864 Nogai
17.78950814 Kurd_Kurmanji
17.84405503 Greek_Kos
Target: Test
Distance: 1.5300% / 1.53004932 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.1 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
27.7 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.6 Greek_Icaria
3.5 Garo
3.3 Dolgan
2.8 Oroqen
2.0 Kuwait2
Sterling Archer
03-26-2021, 10:32 AM
New Iranian result. Probably Mazandarani.
Gedrosia 33.58 Pct
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.45 Pct
North_European 3.98 Pct
South_Asian 5.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 37.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.15 Pct
Distance to: Pirooz
5.69300448 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.05194386 Iranian_Lur
8.05194386 Lur_Iran
9.66684023 Yazidi
10.45004785 Iranian_Khorasan
10.45483620 Kurd_Adygea
10.70803904 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.61867893 Kurd_Sorani
11.72683248 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.58609550 Zaza
13.66461123 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.75511905 Turkmen_Iraq
14.79422860 Iranian_Bandari
14.91577688 Parsi_India
15.19588431 Azerbaijani
15.57484831 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.66149099 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.46651451 Udi
18.08157073 Turk_Southeast
18.61388192 Iraqi_Baghdad
19.16533329 Turkmen_TM
19.34748562 Turk_East
19.42267489 Mandean
19.70238564 Tajik_Herat
20.28885162 Lezgin
Mejgusu
03-26-2021, 10:41 AM
New Iranian result. Probably Mazandarani.
Gedrosia 33.58 Pct
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.45 Pct
North_European 3.98 Pct
South_Asian 5.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 37.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.15 Pct
I noticed that Iranics from Caspian have a lot of Gedrosian, but this one has nearly no steppe admixture. Is that normal for them?
Sterling Archer
03-26-2021, 10:49 AM
I noticed that Iranics from Caspian have a lot of Gedrosian, but this one has nearly no steppe admixture. Is that normal for them?
Seems to be the case. This is the Mazandarani average from vahaduo:
Iranian_Mazandaran,33.07,0.48,0.25,0.26,2.86,5.68, 5.27,0.32,10.96,0.26,40.38,0.19
RatCat
03-26-2021, 11:12 AM
Christian Levantine Arab
Y-DNA: J-L26
Population
Gedrosia 8.34 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.88 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.16 Pct
North_European 0.53 Pct
South_Asian 1.04 Pct
East_African 2.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian 23.24 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.23 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: nsin
2.98005034 Palestinian_Christian
3.46873176 Syrian_SW_Christian
3.50419748 Jordanian_Christian
3.93389120 Lebanese_Christian
6.70791324 Nusayri_Turkey
8.48971731 Lebanese_Muslim
8.78957337 Greek_Cypriot
8.87681812 Palestinian
10.02372685 Jordanian_Muslim
10.54210605 Syrian_Muslim
10.56682071 Iraqi_Jew
11.19122424 Kurdish_Jew
11.72577929 Turk_Cyprus
11.98935778 Assyrian_West
12.26722462 Assyrian_South
13.05293454 Assyrian_North
13.30404450 Greek_Cappadocia
13.39372614 Azeri_Jew
13.64469860 Mandean
14.08887149 Armenian_West
14.90672667 Iraqi_Baghdad
15.73454480 Greek_Rhodes
15.99113817 Arab_Iraq
15.99113817 Iraqi_Arab
16.10791110 Sephardic_Jews
Target: nsin
Distance: 1.9227% / 1.92274111 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.2 Jordanian_Christian
15.5 Greek_Cypriot
11.9 Coptic
11.4 Georgian_Adjara
Target: nsin
Distance: 2.5684% / 2.56842613 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.0 Palestinian_Christian
7.5 Greek_Cypriot
4.5 Laz
Target: nsin
Distance: 2.4012% / 2.40122857 | R2P | ADC: 0.5x RC
89.8 Jordanian_Christian
10.2 Laz
His close match with some European admixture??
Y-DNA: J-L26
Population
Gedrosia 6.93 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.12 Pct
North_European 7.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 3.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 20.93 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: sheikh
6.66688083 Turk_Cyprus
7.57050857 Greek_Cypriot
7.61484734 Nusayri_Turkey
7.84892986 Lebanese_Christian
7.86303377 Palestinian_Christian
8.12624144 Jordanian_Christian
8.47933370 Lebanese_Muslim
8.67047288 Syrian_SW_Christian
9.58054800 Palestinian
10.63951597 Greek_Rhodes
10.67632427 Jordanian_Muslim
10.81375051 Greek_Kos
10.96010036 Syrian_Muslim
11.65633733 Greek_Cappadocia
12.43220817 Sephardic_Jews
12.87720855 Italian_Jews
12.89380084 Greek_Crete
13.17851661 Greek_Icaria
13.82361024 Greek_Fournoi
14.19656649 Iraqi_Jew
14.35861762 Assyrian_West
14.48800538 Kurdish_Jew
14.77232548 Assyrian_South
14.80686665 Moldavian_Jewish
15.14620745 Ashkenazi_Jews
Target: sheikh
Distance: 3.1928% / 3.19278018 | R2P
78.7 Palestinian_Christian
21.3 Greek_Thessaloniki
Target: sheikh
Distance: 1.1742% / 1.17421013 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.0 Jordanian_Christian
22.7 Greek_Icaria
21.8 Coptic
11.7 Georgian_Gurian
7.8 Pomak_Greece
Target: sheikh
Distance: 3.2494% / 3.24943316 | ADC: 0.5x RC
61.9 Turk_Cyprus
26.1 Jordanian_Christian
12.0 Coptic
Sterling Archer
03-26-2021, 11:38 AM
This person is a distant match of an Azerbaijani. First I assumed that he was one too, what with his name being typical for the republic.
But his results are interesting. His EA admixture is too high for an Azeri with high NE:
Gedrosia 18.02 Pct
Siberian 5.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.93 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.95 Pct
North_European 14.54 Pct
South_Asian 0.5 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_Asian 4.06 Pct
Caucasus 42.03 Pct
Distance to: Eldar
5.77793216 Abazin
6.26506983 Kabardin
6.48532189 Circassian
6.71283100 Karachay
7.25725844 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.29835598 Balkar
7.43627595 Adyghe
7.49207581 Kumyk
7.95258449 Ingush
8.34561562 Ossetian
8.54223624 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.58980209 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.13062429 Turk_South
9.16428939 Turk_Central_East
9.35523383 Azerbaijani
10.15993602 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.20744826 Chechen
10.36817727 Turk_Central_West
10.60974552 Turk_Southeast
10.78663061 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.85842070 Turk_East
11.26345418 Udi
11.42547154 Turk_Southwest
11.65709226 Ossetian_South
12.73420198 Zaza
Altaylı
03-26-2021, 12:34 PM
Seems to be the case. This is the Mazandarani average from vahaduo:
Iranian_Mazandaran,33.07,0.48,0.25,0.26,2.86,5.68, 5.27,0.32,10.96,0.26,40.38,0.19
Have Iranian_Mazandarani some Turkic admixture like Iranian_Fars in vahaduo?
Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 12:50 PM
I noticed that Iranics from Caspian have a lot of Gedrosian, but this one has nearly no steppe admixture. Is that normal for them?
Yes
I guess due to environment they have been a relatively isolated location which brings them closest to Chalcolithic Iranians and the least mixed (Except in recent history with re-settled Caucasian people in that region)
Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 12:51 PM
Have Iranian_Mazandarani some Turkic admixture like Iranian_Fars in vahaduo?
No, it should theoretically be the least mixed (iirc the average has less than 0.5% Mongoloid)
Mejgusu
03-26-2021, 12:51 PM
His close match with some European admixture??
Y-DNA: J-L26
Population
Gedrosia 6.93 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.12 Pct
North_European 7.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 3.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 20.93 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
As far i know there were some Greek settlements in Levant, also a lot of Greeks migrated to this region in Ottoman era. Some Levantines got it from Iranics(Kurds for example) but this one has nor Iranic admixture. This person must have some Greek ancestry.
A brand new Iranian (?) kit, uploaded today
J-M172
Gedrosia 27.36 Pct
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.49 Pct
North_European 4.54 Pct
South_Asian 6.48 Pct
East_African 2.77 Pct
Southwest_Asian 17.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 33.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.21 Pct
Distance to: Amer
7.33641602 Kurd_Sorani
7.35153725 Iranian_Lur
8.05857928 Yazidi
8.39757108 Turkmen_Iraq
9.64572444 Iranian_Khorasan
9.74861529 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.78003579 Kurd_Adygea
11.20010268 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.33542236 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.48174203 Arab_Iran
Target: Amer
Distance: 1.9166% / 1.91660327 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.2 Iranian_Lur
26.5 Arab_Iran
17.7 Balochi
16.7 Kurd_Sorani
5.4 Parsi_India
1.5 Somali
Target: Amer
Distance: 2.6709% / 2.67088370 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.6 Iranian_Lur
31.8 Arab_Iran
18.8 Iranian_Bandari
11.8 Parsi_India
Yes
I guess due to environment they have been a relatively isolated location which brings them closest to Chalcolithic Iranians and the least mixed (Except in recent history with re-settled Caucasian people in that region)
You can get a ROUGH estimate of how much Steppe or ENF or WHG or E Asian each test subject has by making a table like this which covers the 12 components of the calculator
For example for the Mazendaranian test subject. I didn't have time to check the calculator spreadsheet so these are just my guesses
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Component
Component references (from spreadsheet)
Test subject Percent
STEPPE % of references
Test subject Percent STEPPE
ENF % of references
Test subject Percent ENF
WHG % of references
Test subject Percent WHG
BASAL % of references
Test subject Percent BASAL
E. Asian % of references
Test subject Percent E.ASIAN
CAUCASIAN
Abkhasians, Georgians, Armenians, etc
37.05%
20%
7.40%
40%
14.80%
10%
3.70%
20%
7.40%
5%
1.90%
GEDROSIAN
Brahui, Baloch, etc
33.58%
25%
8.40%
20%
6.70%
7%
2.40%
15%
5.00%
10%
3.30%
SW ASIAN
Jordanians, etc
ATLANTIC-MED
N EUROPEAN
Estonians, etc
TOTAL STEPPE
TOTAL ENF
TOTAL WHG
TOTAL BASAL
TOTAL E ASIAN
</tbody>
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Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 01:48 PM
1 days old new match from Turkey (name), but likely Pontic (Total Mongoloid = 0.28%)
Population
Gedrosia 16.44 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Northwest_African 0.97 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.23 Pct
North_European 2.3 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Sadikoglu
Distance: 2.6563% / 2.65626350 | R3P
54.6 Georgian_Adjara
35.4 Greek_Pontus
10.0 Sardinian
Distance to: Sadikoglu
4.58766825 Greek_Pontus
5.60278502 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.80540961 Hemshin
7.17211963 Laz
8.35130529 Armenian_West
8.37198304 Armenian_East
9.44351100 Georgian_Adjara
10.13975345 Turk_Ahiska
10.69613014 Greek_Cappadocia
11.75287624 Turk_East
12.17073128 Assyrian_West
12.45994783 Assyrian_North
12.76955755 Assyrian_South
12.98616572 Azeri_Jew
13.19854537 Udi
13.30428127 Georgian_Imereti
13.43428450 Georgian
15.11469153 Georgian_Gurian
15.59720808 Nusayri_Turkey
15.70264309 Georgian_Mingrelian
15.83261507 Kurdish_Jew
16.32004596 Iraqi_Jew
16.47173943 Abkhazian
16.68820542 Greek_Cypriot
16.93259578 Mandean
Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 01:56 PM
Another relatively new kit (3 days) West Iranic. Results say Kurdish, name is giving Iraqi/Syrian vibes.
Population
Gedrosia 26.94 Pct
Siberian 1.32 Pct
Northwest_African 0.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.45 Pct
North_European 8.19 Pct
South_Asian 2.87 Pct
East_African 1.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.96 Pct
East_Asian 1.28 Pct
Caucasus 37.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Hiwa
Distance: 1.4066% / 1.40657276 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.0 Yazidi
9.7 Iranian_Khorasan
9.3 Lezgin
2.4 Tajik_Mountain
0.6 Spanish_Basque
Distance to: Hiwa
3.38698981 Yazidi
4.47324267 Kurd_Adygea
4.53339828 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.48010949 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.76426058 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.76428660 Kurd_Sorani
5.95671890 Iranian_Lur
5.95671890 Lur_Iran
6.04871061 Zaza
6.93114709 Azerbaijani
7.68187477 Turkmen_Iraq
7.87701720 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.01622105 Iranian_Khorasan
8.52339134 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.66724366 Iranian_Mazandaran
9.83010173 Turk_Southeast
10.34669029 Udi
12.58945988 Turk_East
12.83317186 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.91646236 Turk_Central_East
13.39244937 Turk_South
14.52147720 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.54080122 Turk_Central_West
15.09700633 Mandean
15.73295586 Azeri_Jew
Lol, Zoro has briefly destroyed the font on the previous page :lol:
Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 02:06 PM
Lol, Zoro has briefly destroyed the font on the previous page :lol:
Who knows, maybe the Qadm stuff is useful
if only I could read what was on the page after Zoro posts....
RatCat
03-26-2021, 02:49 PM
Iranian name and surname. Maybe Talysh or has a distant Caucasian ancestry? I don't know much about Iranians so I'll leave it to you.
Y-DNA: G-P287
Population
Gedrosia 25.76 Pct
Siberian 1.14 Pct
Northwest_African 0.6 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.39 Pct
North_European 7.23 Pct
South_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.57 Pct
East_Asian 1.02 Pct
Caucasus 40.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.61 Pct
Distance to: momtahan
2.76112296 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.70249916 Kurd_Adygea
4.58912846 Yazidi
4.60516015 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.79269235 Iranian_Lur
4.79269235 Lur_Iran
5.00998004 Zaza
5.10188201 Kurd_Sorani
6.02669893 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.70273079 Turkmen_Iraq
7.72299165 Azerbaijani
7.92672694 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.31003008 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.85321411 Udi
9.25294548 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.08965807 Iranian_Khorasan
10.67645540 Turk_Southeast
11.36695650 Turk_East
12.34805653 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.41939641 Turk_Central_East
13.62375132 Mandean
13.88044308 Azeri_Jew
14.29655553 Turk_South
14.64240076 Assyrian_North
14.74999322 Armenian_East
Target: momtahan
Distance: 1.5749% / 1.57486667 | R2P
89.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.2 Iranian_Bandari
Target: momtahan
Distance: 0.9466% / 0.94663802 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.1 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.6 Iranian_Mazandaran
6.8 Kurd_Sorani
6.0 Parsi_India
1.5 Yoruba
Without Talysh reference
Target: momtahan
Distance: 2.2286% / 2.22860645 | R2P
80.9 Lur_Iran
19.1 Circassian
Target: momtahan
Distance: 1.8133% / 1.81332323 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.7 Kurd_Sorani
28.2 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.5 Karachay
12.3 Lur_Iran
6.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 03:25 PM
momtahan
He models good as 3/4 Talysh + 1/4 Persian of some sort. Could also be Tat, maybe? The name provided sounds kind of atypical for a Persian in general, to be honest.
I doubt he would have North Caucasian ancestry. Muhajirs and other deportee's were settled along Mazandaran shores except for a couple cases. They were mostly ethnic Georgians and Circassians, and he is not fitting too well
Target: Momtahan
Distance: 5.5649% / 5.56486295
71.8 Iranian_Mazandaran
22.5 Circassian
5.7 Georgian_Adjara
A brand new Iranian (?) kit, uploaded today
J-M172
Gedrosia 27.36 Pct
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.49 Pct
North_European 4.54 Pct
South_Asian 6.48 Pct
East_African 2.77 Pct
Southwest_Asian 17.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 33.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.21 Pct
Distance to: Amer
7.33641602 Kurd_Sorani
7.35153725 Iranian_Lur
8.05857928 Yazidi
8.39757108 Turkmen_Iraq
9.64572444 Iranian_Khorasan
9.74861529 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.78003579 Kurd_Adygea
11.20010268 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.33542236 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.48174203 Arab_Iran
Target: Amer
Distance: 1.9166% / 1.91660327 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.2 Iranian_Lur
26.5 Arab_Iran
17.7 Balochi
16.7 Kurd_Sorani
5.4 Parsi_India
1.5 Somali
Target: Amer
Distance: 2.6709% / 2.67088370 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.6 Iranian_Lur
31.8 Arab_Iran
18.8 Iranian_Bandari
11.8 Parsi_India
not Iranian. Evident from his name and his SW_Asian.
not Iranian. Evident from his name and his SW_Asian.
What is he then? Only an Iranian can have 27% Gedrosia. Perhaps partially Shia Arab or something.
What is he then? Only an Iranian can have 27% Gedrosia. Perhaps partially Shia Arab or something.
idk but the spelling of his name isn't Iranian
Dr_Maul
03-26-2021, 06:06 PM
idk but the spelling of his name isn't Iranian
Maybe he is Iraq Turkmen+Arab?
Amer to me sounds Turkish but you are right its definitely not Iranian I should have caught that
Could be Turkey Kurd+Arab
RatCat
03-26-2021, 06:16 PM
2 days old new match! According to surname He is an Eastern Circassian.
Population
Gedrosia 17.37 Pct
Siberian 3.63 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.36 Pct
North_European 18.34 Pct
South_Asian 3.98 Pct
East_African 0.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.47 Pct
East_Asian 4.07 Pct
Caucasus 41.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.94 Pct
Distance to: ruslan
4.42933404 Kabardin
4.44938198 Abazin
4.99741933 Karachay
5.09355475 Circassian
5.09753862 Balkar
5.11256296 Kumyk
7.10466748 Adyghe
7.22431312 Ingush
7.67815082 Ossetian
7.75270920 Chechen
9.64963730 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.55252786 Ossetian_South
12.68611446 Lezgin
12.74258608 Lak
13.16278466 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.46046805 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.58910961 Azerbaijani
13.59501379 Turk_South
13.91845178 Turk_Central_East
14.06766150 Turk_West_BlackSea
14.14485772 Kaitag_Dagestan
14.17758089 Kubachi_Dagestan
14.28020308 Tabasaran
14.36791913 Avar
14.41879676 Nogai
Target: ruslan
Distance: 2.0666% / 2.06655192 | R2P
94.8 Balkar
5.2 North_Kannadi
Target: ruslan
Distance: 2.0510% / 2.05103705 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.8 Abazin
23.4 Kumyk
3.8 North_Kannadi
Target: ruslan
Distance: 1.0643% / 1.06430230 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.9 Circassian
35.0 Balkar
11.2 Kumyk
4.2 North_Kannadi
3.3 Nogai
1.8 Yemenite_mixed
0.6 Bantu_S.W._Ovambo
Mejgusu
03-26-2021, 06:57 PM
Maybe he is Iraq Turkmen+Arab?
Amer to me sounds Turkish but you are right its definitely not Iranian I should have caught that
Could be Turkey Kurd+Arab
Its not Turkish, Non-Turkish Muslim minorities have no different names to Turks, i dont think this guy is from Turkey. Like Leto said, this person has typical Iranian components, just more SW-Asian shifted. Probably someone from Iraq or SW-Iran. Could be a Lur with some Arab ancestry too(they have a lot of native stock).
Its not Turkish, Non-Turkish Muslim minorities have no different names to Turks, i dont think this guy is from Turkey. Like Leto said, this person has typical Iranian components, just more SW-Asian shifted. Probably someone from Iraq or SW-Iran. Could be a Lur with some Arab ancestry too(they have a lot of native stock).
He is definetly from an arab country. Leto pm'd me the whole name.
He is definetly from an arab country. Leto pm'd me the whole name.
But in which Arab country can Gedrosia be almost double the amount of SW Asian?
But in which Arab country can Gedrosia be almost double the amount of SW Asian?
He could be a Feyli Kurd with a little Arab admixture. The Feylis and Lurs in parts of Iraq do have Arab admixture.
You do realize that Kurds score as high as 32% Gedrosian and 5% S. Asian on this calculator. Here are some Kurd results from http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/search?q=dodecad . It doesn't seem to be active lately. Here are some Sorani and Feyli Kurds (the averages for Kurds you have are not necessarily representative for Iraqi Kurds such as these)
https://i.imgur.com/xOvIed7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KZ7TUI3.jpg
He could be a Feyli Kurd with a little Arab admixture. The Feylis and Lurs in parts of Iraq do have Arab admixture.
You do realize that Kurds score as high as 32% Gedrosian and 5% S. Asian on this calculator. Here are some Kurd results from http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/search?q=dodecad . It doesn't seem to be active lately. Here are some Sorani and Feyli Kurds (the averages for Kurds you have are not necessarily representative for Iraqi Kurds such as these)
Those might be very old results from the early days of the Dodecad project.
Those might be very old results from the early days of the Dodecad project.
What difference does it make if those Kurds were run through the calculator in June, 2012. The Dodecad K12 hasn't changed since it was made available in 2011.
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You will have more representative averages for Kurds if you make Sorani and Feyli Kurd averages based on the ones shown in http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/search?q=dodecad. There are enough posted to make those averages
What difference does it make if those Kurds were run through the calculator in June, 2012. The Dodecad K12 hasn't changed since it was made available in 2011.
You will have more representative averages for Kurds if you make Sorani and Feyli Kurd averages based on the ones shown in http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/search?q=dodecad. There are enough posted to make those averages
It might have been somewhat different and also the data might have been deficient or just of a different format.
From Western Semnan (close to Teheran) - the region was called "The Isle of Tribes":
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Semnan_in_Iran.svg
Could be from a Kurdish family
Gedrosia: 21.68
Siberian: 1.37
NW_African: 0.63
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.71
North_European: 6.24
South_Asia: 3.13
East_African: 0.41
SW_Asian: 15.28
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 42.25
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Semnan
3.19256950 Zaza
3.96344547 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.66160916 Turkmen_Iraq
4.99131245 Kurd_Sorani
5.02020916 Kurd_Adygea
5.70823966 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.77601939 Udi
5.92765552 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.04363301 Yazidi
6.55113731 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.82997072 Turk_East
6.97823760 Azerbaijani
7.60129594 Iranian_Lur
7.65615439 Turk_Southeast
8.11639698 Azeri_Jew
8.38732973 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.51115738 Mandean
8.79575466 Assyrian_North
8.95941404 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.06247207 Assyrian_South
9.07712510 Iran_Central
9.19853249 Azerbaijani_North
9.47570050 Assyrian_West
9.78600531 Armenian_East
9.98910406 Turk_Central_East
Target: Semnan
Distance: 1.2752% / 1.27516052 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.1 Zaza
31.7 Turkmen_Iraq
14.8 Azeri_Jew
12.4 Turk_East
Azerbaijani from Lachin:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Lachin_District_in_Azerbaijan_2021.svg/1200px-Lachin_District_in_Azerbaijan_2021.svg.png
Gedrosia: 22.37
Siberian: 3.06
NW_African: 0.97
SE_Asian: 1.28
Atlantic_Med: 7.80
North_European: 7.54
South_Asia: 1.81
East_African: 0.21
SW_Asian: 12.69
East_Asian: 2.31
Caucasus: 40.33
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Azerbaijan_Lachin
1.70428871 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
2.00334720 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.20098422 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.62492759 Azerbaijani
3.88298854 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.04287027 Zaza
4.98192734 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.99590833 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.05230640 Kurd_Adygea
5.64100168 Turkmen_Iraq
5.69229304 Yazidi
5.87491277 Turk_Southeast
6.02955222 Kurd_Sorani
6.11019640 Azerbaijani_North
6.68520007 Udi
7.53866036 Turk_East
7.99978750 Iranian_Lur
8.12687517 Iran_Central
8.14693194 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.23205321 Turk_Central_East
9.26613188 Turk_South
9.73467000 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.45881446 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.75444094 Turk_Central_West
11.71900166 Azeri_Jew
Target: Azerbaijan_Lachin
Distance: 1.3409% / 1.34089303 | ADC: 0.5x RC
82.5 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.8 Udi
6.4 Azeri_Jew
2.3 Zaza
It might have been somewhat different and also the data might have been deficient or just of a different format.
Haha very funny, you could have come up with a less lame excuse son
Forgot to mention that Gedrosia (Brahui and Baloch people) and S. Asian hides quite a bit of E. Eurasian ancestry too. The ratio of E.Eurasian/W. Eurasian admixture generally increases as you move west to east in Asia
Haha very funny, you could have come up with a less lame excuse son
I'll make sure your bogus samples won't make it to the spreadsheet if that's what you're planning to do. Kurds are very well represented in Dodecad Vahaduo.
Pashtuns (relatively high North_European and low Caucasus)
R-Z93
Gedrosia 36.37 Pct
Siberian 2.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.53 Pct
North_European 17.79 Pct
South_Asian 19.55 Pct
East_African 0.33 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Caucasus 17.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Raqeebullah
3.78412473 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
4.03742492 Pashtun_Tarkalani
4.37933785 Kho
5.07819850 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
5.13228994 Pashtun_Kandahar
6.47102001 Kalash
6.55319006 Pashtun_Yusafzai
6.91060055 Nuristani
8.55887843 Tajik_Kabul
9.65104139 Pamiri_Ishkashim
Target: Raqeebullah
Distance: 1.0799% / 1.07994501 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.9 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
18.4 Kalash
8.8 Tabasaran
5.0 Kho
1.8 Lithuanian
0.1 Pamiri_Rushan
Target: Raqeebullah
Distance: 1.7543% / 1.75429028 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.8 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
17.7 Kho
14.0 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.5 Pamiri_Rushan
R-M417
J1c3
Gedrosia 35.11 Pct
Siberian 0.97 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.95 Pct
North_European 16.92 Pct
South_Asian 21.87 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.6 Pct
East_Asian 3.1 Pct
Caucasus 14.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.34 Pct
Distance to: Musa
4.89931628 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.47634002 Pashtun_Tarkalani
6.20251562 Pashtun_Yusafzai
6.55650059 Kho
8.17389136 Tajik_Kabul
8.25608866 Kalash
8.34554971 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
8.62469130 Pashtun_Kandahar
8.95053630 Haryana_Ror
9.12343685 Nuristani
Target: Musa
Distance: 1.3409% / 1.34086918 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.6 Pashtun_Tarkalani
26.3 Haryana_Ror
3.4 French_Southwest
2.2 Japanese
0.5 Irish
Target: Musa
Distance: 2.2479% / 2.24793881 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.1 Haryana_Ror
39.1 Tajik_Kabul
15.0 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.8 Pamiri_Ishkashim
I'll make sure your bogus samples won't make it to the spreadsheet if that's what you're planning to do. Kurds are very well represented in Dodecad Vahaduo.
Wtf are you high on. How did those Kurdish samples become mine when they're posted on a known Kurdish blogger Palisto's website ???
Spewing lame excuse after another doesn't do much for your credibility son.
I couldn't give 2 shits about Dodecad Vahaduo or your bogus Kurdish average. I have already proved what I needed that your average is not representative of Iraqi Kurds by showing:
1- You or someone threw out the Kurdish average made by Dienekes the Dodecad K12 calculator himself and shown in the Gedmatch spreadsheets. I know you would love to alter the Gedmatch Dodecad K12 spreadsheet too on Gedmatch if you could.
2- The Kurdish average in Vahaduo doesn't agree with the creator's Dodecad K12 average in Gedmatch AND with the average from a well known site http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/search?q=dodecad
According to you the calculator creator's average is bogus and so are the samples on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog. Good luck having anyone older than 2 years old buy that :rolleyes:
Nothing more to say on this.
Mejgusu
03-27-2021, 11:34 PM
Göktürk, Y-DNA: O. If this sample was already posted then sorry. This one is a bit odd, has too much Atl-Med.
Gedrosia: 7.4 Pct
Siberian: 10.42 Pct
NW-African: 0.38 Pct
SE-Asia: 2.92 Pct
Atl-Med: 13.61 Pct
North Euro: 27.66 Pct
South Asia: -
East African: -
SW-Asian: -
East Asian: 26.71 Pct
Caucasus: 10.4 Pct
Ssa: 0.5 Pct
Distance to: Göktürk
14.24587309 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.67308202 Lipka_Tatar
16.99759101 Nogai_Astrakhan
17.87468321 Nogai_Stavropol
18.74525807 Karakalpak
19.26337457 Bashkir_South
20.19470970 Tatar_Siberia
20.93510688 Bashkir_Central
21.56958739 Uzbek
21.79839902 Uzbeki
22.02870854 Turkmen_Afghanistan
22.30725443 Uyghur
23.19190160 Kazakh
24.53616718 Bashkir_North
24.79850802 Tatar_Kazan
25.08443741 Tubalar
25.93783144 Kyrgyz_Pamir
26.72897304 Altaian_Chelkan
27.17264065 Hazara
27.23135876 Kyrgyz
27.32523742 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
28.69574533 Tatar_Mishar
29.43977751 Besermyan_Udmurtia
29.51666987 Shor
29.86780039 Chuvash
Target: Göktürk
Distance: 2.0521% / 2.05205541 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.9 Lipka_Tatar
18.6 Japanese
15.1 Nogai_Astrakhan
10.9 Swedish
4.5 Finnish_West
Target: Göktürk
Distance: 4.0051% / 4.00512522 | ADC: 0.5x RC
81.4 Lipka_Tatar
18.6 Japanese
Wtf are you high on. How did those Kurdish samples become mine when they're posted on a known Kurdish blogger Palisto's website ???
Spewing lame excuse after another doesn't do much for your credibility son.
I couldn't give 2 shits about Dodecad Vahaduo or your bogus Kurdish average. I have already proved what I needed that your average is not representative of Iraqi Kurds by showing:
1- You or someone threw out the Kurdish average made by Dienekes the Dodecad K12 calculator himself and shown in the Gedmatch spreadsheets. I know you would love to alter the Gedmatch Dodecad K12 spreadsheet too on Gedmatch if you could.
2- The Kurdish average in Vahaduo doesn't agree with the creator's Dodecad K12 average in Gedmatch AND with the average from a well known site http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/search?q=dodecad
According to you the calculator creator's average is bogus and so are the samples on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog. Good luck having anyone older than 2 years old buy that :rolleyes:
Nothing more to say on this.
Lol, it wasn't me who added the Kurdish averages except for the very recent Kurd_Adygea which is there basically for fun, it's not crucial at all. The main Kurdish pops are from an old spreadsheet that was made by a Turk from another forum. Something like that. I don't know why you consider them inaccurate.
Maybe he is Iraq Turkmen+Arab?
Amer to me sounds Turkish but you are right its definitely not Iranian I should have caught that
Could be Turkey Kurd+Arab
I don't think this is a new kit. I collected a kit that scored similar to this with the same name months ago. I think I made the conclusion that he was an Iraqi Turkmen or Kurd considering his matches.
Lol, it wasn't me who added the Kurdish averages except for the very recent Kurd_Adygea which is there basically for fun, it's not crucial at all. The main Kurdish pops are from an old spreadsheet that was made by a Turk from another forum. Something like that. I don't know why you consider them inaccurate.
I didn't say they're inaccurate. They maybe good for some Kurds in Turkey. All I'm saying is that average doesn't represent my Iraqi Kurdish samples and the ones on Palisto's site and I'm pretty sure it's not representative of Kurds in Kurdistan, Kermanshah and Ilam provinces in Iran.
The calculator creator's average on his spreadsheet on Gedmatch which someone CHOSE not to include in Vahaduo works better for us than the one on Vahaduo. There's no reason why the original average from the Gedmatch wasn't included, nor to make separate averages based on Palisto's Sorani and Feyli Kurd samples.
I don't see a problem with having
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Sorani
based on all of Palisto's samples because those would be more representative of my Iraqi Kurd samples.
It would also be nice if someone would make an average for Kurds-Kermanshah and Kurds-Khorasan
Dr_Maul
03-28-2021, 02:06 AM
Göktürk, Y-DNA: O. If this sample was already posted then sorry. This one is a bit odd, has too much Atl-Med.
Gedrosia: 7.4 Pct
Siberian: 10.42 Pct
NW-African: 0.38 Pct
SE-Asia: 2.92 Pct
Atl-Med: 13.61 Pct
North Euro: 27.66 Pct
South Asia: -
East African: -
SW-Asian: -
East Asian: 26.71 Pct
Caucasus: 10.4 Pct
Ssa: 0.5 Pct
Distance to: Göktürk
14.24587309 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.67308202 Lipka_Tatar
16.99759101 Nogai_Astrakhan
17.87468321 Nogai_Stavropol
18.74525807 Karakalpak
19.26337457 Bashkir_South
20.19470970 Tatar_Siberia
20.93510688 Bashkir_Central
21.56958739 Uzbek
21.79839902 Uzbeki
22.02870854 Turkmen_Afghanistan
22.30725443 Uyghur
23.19190160 Kazakh
24.53616718 Bashkir_North
24.79850802 Tatar_Kazan
25.08443741 Tubalar
25.93783144 Kyrgyz_Pamir
26.72897304 Altaian_Chelkan
27.17264065 Hazara
27.23135876 Kyrgyz
27.32523742 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
28.69574533 Tatar_Mishar
29.43977751 Besermyan_Udmurtia
29.51666987 Shor
29.86780039 Chuvash
Target: Göktürk
Distance: 2.0521% / 2.05205541 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.9 Lipka_Tatar
18.6 Japanese
15.1 Nogai_Astrakhan
10.9 Swedish
4.5 Finnish_West
Target: Göktürk
Distance: 4.0051% / 4.00512522 | ADC: 0.5x RC
81.4 Lipka_Tatar
18.6 Japanese
With nearly 3x more E Asian than Siberian I think its safe to say he his already atypical
I didn't say they're inaccurate. They maybe good for some Kurds in Turkey. All I'm saying is that average doesn't represent my Iraqi Kurdish samples and the ones on Palisto's site and I'm pretty sure it's not representative of Kurds in Kurdistan, Kermanshah and Ilam provinces in Iran.
The calculator creator's average on his spreadsheet on Gedmatch which someone CHOSE not to include in Vahaduo works better for us than the one on Vahaduo. There's no reason why the original average from the Gedmatch wasn't included, nor to make separate averages based on Palisto's Sorani and Feyli Kurd samples.
I don't see a problem with having
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Sorani
based on all of Palisto's samples because those would be more representative of my Iraqi Kurd samples.
It would also be nice if someone would make an average for Kurds-Kermanshah and Kurds-Khorasan
I actually agree. A Feyli average is needed.
We could just take the availabe mean from this blog:
http://feylidnaproject.blogspot.com/2016/07/feylidna-admixture-part-1.html?m=0
Kurd_Feyli,27.47,1.12,1.26,0.33,4.98,5.36,3.77,0.3 4,14.60,0.30,40.12,0.14
Distance to: Kurd_Feyli
2.16407024 Iranian_Lur
3.83799427 Kurd_Adygea
4.31144987 Yazidi
4.45098865 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.65290232 Kurd_Sorani
5.40834540 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.04023178 Zaza
6.78204247 Turkmen_Iraq
7.27757515 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.06406845 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.96435146 Azerbaijani
10.28362290 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.50634570 Udi
11.24526122 Iranian_Khorasan
11.85531948 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.02366417 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.42973049 Turk_Southeast
12.45608687 Mandean
13.08947669 Turk_East
13.52025148 Azeri_Jew
14.35576539 Assyrian_North
14.40456525 Arab_Iran
14.68004428 Assyrian_South
15.13974901 Kurdish_Jew
15.32473817 Assyrian_West
Target: Kurd_Feyli
Distance: 1.6104% / 1.61036130 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.7 Iranian_Lur
22.9 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.4 Iranian_Mazandaran
Sterling Archer
03-28-2021, 09:45 AM
Close match of an Azerbaijani from Guba I shared a while back. Judging from the matches seems to be half Azeri (North) and Ashkenazi Jew.
Gedrosia 15.05 Pct
Siberian 1.87 Pct
Northwest_African 2.66 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.87 Pct
North_European 13.38 Pct
South_Asian 1.3 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11 Pct
East_Asian 0.55 Pct
Caucasus 36.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.08 Pct
Distance to: Aze+Jew
6.13877024 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.81593721 Turk_Central_West
7.95230155 Turk_Southwest
8.30590754 Turk_Northwest
8.60443490 Turk_Central_East
8.98792523 Turk_South
9.83175468 Turk_Southeast
9.86505955 Greek_Crete
10.23827134 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.68312688 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.79165882 Greek_Fournoi
11.05952531 Greek_Kos
11.31860415 Greek_Izmir
11.35548326 Greek_Lemnos
11.43401942 Turk_Cyprus
11.62928631 Azerbaijani
11.82392490 Greek_Rhodes
11.99275198 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.12121183 Italian_Apulia
13.13768625 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.21120736 Moldavian_Jewish
13.45560106 Turk_East
13.45976597 Greek_Foca
13.62560457 Italian_Sicily
13.63655015 Italian_Calabria
Distance to: Aze+Jew
1.53821026 49.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 50.80% Italian_Sicily
1.91304731 50.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 50.00% Italian_Apulia
1.96887617 57.40% Italian_Jews + 42.60% Lezgin
2.09028016 54.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 45.40% Greek_Central
2.11444505 49.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 50.80% Italian_Calabria
2.13095778 48.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 51.60% Moldavian_Jewish
2.15266052 46.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 53.80% Greek_Lemnos
2.15599165 50.00% Ashkenazi_Jews + 50.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan
2.19670520 55.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 45.00% Greek_Athens
2.22884051 57.20% Italian_Apulia + 42.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.23715036 68.80% Greek_Rhodes + 31.20% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.30290632 51.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 48.60% Italian_Campania
2.35077985 53.20% Azerbaijani + 46.80% Italian_Apulia
2.38559713 50.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 49.40% Greek_Foca
2.42411602 70.40% Greek_Kos + 29.60% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.43425215 39.60% Albanian + 60.40% Azerbaijani_Iran
2.47015485 52.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 47.60% Italian_Apulia
2.48290118 60.40% Azerbaijani_Iran + 39.60% Italian_Lazio
2.48958318 50.40% Greek_Athens + 49.60% Yazidi
2.49388275 57.20% Sephardic_Jews + 42.80% Tabasaran
2.50624162 48.00% Greek_Athens + 52.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.50699781 53.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 46.20% Italian_Abruzzo
2.51299433 56.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 44.00% Greek_Peloponnese
2.52086847 42.20% Avar + 57.80% Sephardic_Jews
2.53597412 48.40% Greek_Central + 51.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
RatCat
03-28-2021, 10:25 AM
Why there isn't any Georgian_Jew average on the spreadsheet? I have a %75 Georgian Jew match and he has bunch of Georgian Jew matches, I can make an average for the spreadsheet. :confused:
RatCat
03-28-2021, 10:46 AM
Why there isn't any Georgian_Jew average on the spreadsheet? I have a %75 Georgian Jew match and he has bunch of Georgian Jew matches, I can make an average for the spreadsheet. :confused:
For example one of them, a Georgian Jew
Population
Gedrosia 17.59 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.35 Pct
North_European 5.82 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 18.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: ***
4.40386194 Azeri_Jew
4.52952536 Assyrian_North
4.87841163 Assyrian_South
4.88155713 Assyrian_West
5.45609751 Armenian_West
5.68883116 Armenian_East
6.92017341 Kurdish_Jew
7.49259635 Turk_East
7.84125628 Mandean
7.89233806 Iraqi_Jew
8.32666200 Udi
10.14414117 Zaza
10.31898251 Greek_Pontus
10.36815798 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.65133325 Turk_Ahiska
11.23340554 Nusayri_Turkey
11.44471931 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.44558867 Hemshin
11.50396888 Turkmen_Iraq
11.67571839 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.12684625 Kurd_Adygea
12.24198922 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.26352723 Kurd_Sorani
12.30140642 Lebanese_Christian
12.33741869 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Target: ***
Distance: 2.1662% / 2.16618402 | R2P
72.4 Kurdish_Jew
27.6 Abkhazian
Target: ***
Distance: 1.0960% / 1.09604853 | R3P
57.9 Turk_Ahiska
27.8 Assyrian_North
14.3 Saudi
Target: ***
Distance: 1.2566% / 1.25657683 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Azeri_Jew
25.1 Abkhazian
16.8 Armenian_East
8.8 Kuwait2
0.2 Chechen
Another one of them
Target: *7*7
Distance: 1.0365% / 1.03650585 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.2 Armenian_East
29.2 Abkhazian
19.6 Azeri_Jew
5.9 Yemenite_Mahra
5.1 Kuwait2
Why there isn't any Georgian_Jew average on the spreadsheet? I have a %75 Georgian Jew match and he has bunch of Georgian Jew matches, I can make an average for the spreadsheet. :confused:
A good idea but don't confuse them with Mountain Jews, they're a separate thing.
Also btw. why is Iranian_Fars deleted?
Also btw. why is Iranian_Fars deleted?
I guess by mistake.
Also btw. why is Iranian_Fars deleted?
I guess by mistake.
Lucas
03-28-2021, 02:00 PM
Hun from Hungary about 350 CE
Gedrosia 7,55
Siberian 28,76
Northwest_African 0,00
Southeast_Asian 5,66
Atlantic_Med 2,60
North_European 12,58
South_Asian 3,52
East_African 0,00
Southwest_Asian 0,50
East_Asian 36,56
Caucasus 0,00
Sub_Saharan 2,28
Hun from Hungary about 350 CE
Gedrosia 7,55
Siberian 28,76
Northwest_African 0,00
Southeast_Asian 5,66
Atlantic_Med 2,60
North_European 12,58
South_Asian 3,52
East_African 0,00
Southwest_Asian 0,50
East_Asian 36,56
Caucasus 0,00
Sub_Saharan 2,28
He is 70% Mongoloid! And Sinitic-shifted although that may be by virtue of data contamination.
Lucas
03-28-2021, 05:46 PM
He is 70% Mongoloid! And Sinitic-shifted although that may be by virtue of data contamination.
Yes I believed it would be rather 50:50 ratio.
Iranian Azerbaijani (East Azerbaijan province, Araz region):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/IranEastAzerbaijan-SVG.svg/1024px-IranEastAzerbaijan-SVG.svg.png
Gedrosia: 22.50
Siberian: 2.09
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.16
Atlantic_Med: 10.57
North_European: 7.74
South_Asia: 1.61
East_African: 0.13
SW_Asian: 12.95
East_Asian: 4.84
Caucasus: 37.41
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: East_Azerbaijan
3.34001497 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.46822721 Azerbaijani
4.02369233 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.64007543 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.69184399 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.05925884 Turk_Southeast
5.86621684 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.74272200 Yazidi
6.85288990 Zaza
7.14631374 Turkmen_Iraq
7.32343499 Kurd_Adygea
7.45002013 Kurd_Sorani
8.03835804 Azerbaijani_North
8.11420976 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.11783222 Turk_Central_East
8.44683965 Turk_South
8.83845009 Iran_Central
9.44637497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.51516159 Turk_Central_West
9.53037775 Iranian_Lur
9.54094859 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.83380903 Udi
9.89142052 Iranian_Fars
9.97889272 Kurd_Feyli
10.15146787 Turk_East
Target: East_Azerbaijan
Distance: 2.3838% / 2.38377158 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.8 Yazidi
30.3 Turk_Southeast
25.3 Azerbaijani
2.6 Japanese
Turk from Sivas:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Sivas_in_Turkey.svg/300px-Sivas_in_Turkey.svg.png
Gedrosia: 16.71
Siberian: 3.04
NW_African: 1.42
SE_Asian: 0.23
Atlantic_Med: 9.49
North_European: 12.04
South_Asia: 2.91
East_African: 0.24
SW_Asian: 10.25
East_Asian: 3.44
Caucasus: 40.22
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Turk_Sivas
4.60743964 Turk_Central_East
5.26790281 Turk_South
5.31084739 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.67985915 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
5.79774956 Azerbaijani
5.80127572 Turk_Southeast
6.08187471 Turk_Central_West
7.18872729 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.40908226 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.17181130 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.20581501 Turk_East
8.39035756 Turk_Southwest
9.60176546 Udi
10.23361129 Zaza
10.29781530 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.37993256 Kabardin
10.43287592 Turk_Northwest
10.54302613 Abazin
11.12783447 Circassian
11.15729806 Kumyk
11.19779889 Turkmen_Iraq
11.24951999 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Target: Turk_Sivas
Distance: 2.1476% / 2.14756025 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.7 Turk_Central_East
23.9 Azerbaijani_North
16.2 Kabardin
12.2 Turk_South
Kaspias
03-30-2021, 01:32 PM
Karamanlides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamanlides) from Kayseri and Sivas. Partly Greek from Amasya.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 54.09
2 Southwest_Asian 15.29
3 Gedrosia 13.29
4 Atlantic_Med 9.92
5 North_European 4.7
6 Siberian 1.16
7 Northwest_African 1.15
8 Southeast_Asian 0.4
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian (Dodecad) 4.44
2 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 5.32
3 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 5.77
4 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 6.95
5 Assyrian (Dodecad) 7.11
6 Armenians (Behar) 7.73
7 Turks (Behar) 10.22
8 Druze (HGDP) 10.54
9 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.69
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.77
11 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 10.86
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 11.91
13 Cypriots (Behar) 13.04
14 Lebanese (Behar) 14.76
15 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 17.74
16 Syrians (Behar) 18.88
17 Kurd (Dodecad) 19.09
18 Samaritians (Behar) 19.52
19 Iranian (Dodecad) 19.74
20 Jordanians (Behar) 20.55
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.2% Armenians (Behar) + 33.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.08
2 82.7% Armenians (Behar) + 17.3% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.17
3 71.8% Armenians (Behar) + 28.2% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.34
4 75.3% Armenians (Behar) + 24.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.39
5 73.6% Armenians (Behar) + 26.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.53
6 58.4% Armenians (Behar) + 41.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.66
7 89.1% Armenians (Behar) + 10.9% Saudis (Behar) @ 2.69
8 85.7% Armenians (Behar) + 14.3% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 2.83
9 74% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 26% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.91
10 76.1% Armenian (Dodecad) + 23.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.12
11 69.6% Druze (HGDP) + 30.4% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.13
12 73.2% Armenians (Behar) + 26.8% Samaritians (Behar) @ 3.16
13 82.3% Armenian (Dodecad) + 17.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.17
14 86.1% Armenian (Dodecad) + 13.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 3.18
15 70.3% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 29.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.21
16 88.9% Armenian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.26
17 80.9% Armenian (Dodecad) + 19.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.29
18 88.6% Armenian (Dodecad) + 11.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.3
19 88.4% Armenian (Dodecad) + 11.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.33
20 91.6% Armenian (Dodecad) + 8.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.34
Distance to: Sahinidis
4.24698717 Greek_Pontus
4.87893431 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.34026813 Hemshin
6.36825722 Armenian_East
6.76538986 Armenian_West
7.46793814 Laz
9.43975106 Assyrian_West
9.44820618 Turk_Ahiska
9.75974897 Assyrian_North
9.98374679 Assyrian_South
10.23140753 Azeri_Jew
10.64350976 Georgian_Adjara
10.70470457 Turk_East
11.29124440 Greek_Cappadocia
12.56219328 Kurdish_Jew
12.70595136 Udi
12.77668189 Georgian
13.13877087 Georgian_Imereti
13.23791902 Iraqi_Jew
13.81376487 Nusayri_Turkey
14.31364035 Georgian_Gurian
14.50003448 Mandean
14.69525434 Lebanese_Christian
15.42157579 Georgian_Mingrelian
15.58351693 Abkhazian
A Turkish name and a German email address but I don't know what this guy may be mixed with, maybe partially Arab or something
Gedrosia 15.95 Pct
Siberian 1.99 Pct
Northwest_African 3.14 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.08 Pct
North_European 4.24 Pct
South_Asian 1.32 Pct
East_African 2.42 Pct
Southwest_Asian 16.13 Pct
East_Asian 2.54 Pct
Caucasus 39.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.1 Pct
Distance to: Bilal
6.56914759 Turk_Southeast
6.60356722 Lebanese_Muslim
6.85072989 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.99095739 Turk_Central_East
8.24049149 Nusayri_Turkey
8.63220713 Turkmen_Iraq
9.15847149 Syrian_Muslim
9.39466870 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.40133501 Turk_South
9.43711820 Azerbaijani
Target: Bilal
Distance: 1.3857% / 1.38574606 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.8 Lebanese_Muslim
22.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.0 Nusayri_Turkey
9.7 Iranian_Lur
5.5 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.0 Nivh
Target: Bilal
Distance: 2.1924% / 2.19243360 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.4 Turk_Southeast
44.5 Lebanese_Muslim
8.1 Assyrian_South
Mejgusu
03-30-2021, 02:01 PM
A Turkish name and a German email address but I don't know what this guy may be mixed with, maybe partially Arab or something
Could be Turkish/Cypriotic Turk mix. It could be a Syrian/Iraqi Turkmen or maybe Turkish-Arab mix too, although last one is still very rare here(even Turkish-German marriages are more common).
Javid
04-04-2021, 06:50 AM
Azerbaijani from today's Armenia (Yeraz), Amasia region.
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 01:33 PM
My results:
Gedrosia 24.84 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 11.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_African 0.96 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.99 Pct
East_Asian 4.31 Pct
Caucasus 39.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Me
4.76645571 Azerbaijani_North
5.73993902 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.38393296 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.68994021 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.89744155 Azerbaijani
7.27088715 Kurd_Adygea
7.51220341 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.52503156 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.55384670 Zaza
8.09483786 Yazidi
8.85382968 Kurd_Sorani
9.03918138 Kurd_Feyli
9.69272408 Udi
10.02626052 Turkmen_Iraq
10.03500872 Iranian_Lur
10.03884456 Turk_Southeast
10.47085956 Iranian_Fars
11.55754732 Iranian_Khorasan
11.76582339 Turk_East
12.18986054 Turk_Central_East
12.25201616 Ingush
12.27883138 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.29444997 Iranian_Kerman
12.46566083 Kumyk
12.48793017 Turk_South
RatCat
04-04-2021, 01:46 PM
My results:
Gedrosia 24.84 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 11.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_African 0.96 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.99 Pct
East_Asian 4.31 Pct
Caucasus 39.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Me
4.76645571 Azerbaijani_North
5.73993902 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.38393296 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.68994021 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.89744155 Azerbaijani
7.27088715 Kurd_Adygea
7.51220341 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.52503156 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.55384670 Zaza
8.09483786 Yazidi
8.85382968 Kurd_Sorani
9.03918138 Kurd_Feyli
9.69272408 Udi
10.02626052 Turkmen_Iraq
10.03500872 Iranian_Lur
10.03884456 Turk_Southeast
10.47085956 Iranian_Fars
11.55754732 Iranian_Khorasan
11.76582339 Turk_East
12.18986054 Turk_Central_East
12.25201616 Ingush
12.27883138 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.29444997 Iranian_Kerman
12.46566083 Kumyk
12.48793017 Turk_South
Congrats! Y-DNA results?
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 01:53 PM
Congrats! Y-DNA results?
Thanks! No, unfortunately it is taking them forever to produce Y-DNA. I am actually more interested in Y-DNA than autosomal.
RatCat
04-04-2021, 01:56 PM
Thanks! No, unfortunately it is taking them forever to produce Y-DNA. I am actually more interested in Y-DNA than autosomal.
Use this tools
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 02:05 PM
Does any of these accept FTDNA format?
My results:
Gedrosia 24.84 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 11.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_African 0.96 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.99 Pct
East_Asian 4.31 Pct
Caucasus 39.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Me
4.76645571 Azerbaijani_North
5.73993902 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.38393296 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.68994021 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.89744155 Azerbaijani
7.27088715 Kurd_Adygea
7.51220341 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.52503156 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.55384670 Zaza
8.09483786 Yazidi
8.85382968 Kurd_Sorani
9.03918138 Kurd_Feyli
9.69272408 Udi
10.02626052 Turkmen_Iraq
10.03500872 Iranian_Lur
10.03884456 Turk_Southeast
10.47085956 Iranian_Fars
11.55754732 Iranian_Khorasan
11.76582339 Turk_East
12.18986054 Turk_Central_East
12.25201616 Ingush
12.27883138 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.29444997 Iranian_Kerman
12.46566083 Kumyk
12.48793017 Turk_South
Congrats! Cool results. Are they as you expected? Where were you from exactly? Also check out YDNA with the free tools @RatCat posted.
Mejgusu
04-04-2021, 04:05 PM
We shouldn’t post here anything until RatCat becomes unbanned again. Besides of his seriousness and knowledge about Caucasia he is a good friend. Free him!
https://i.ibb.co/F3K2wvK/DD3-A27-C0-8-F38-4934-81-B7-609-CFF6065-BE.jpg
Demis
04-04-2021, 04:10 PM
We shouldn’t post here anything until RatCat becomes unbanned again. Besides of his seriousness and knowledge about Caucasia he is a good friend. Free him!
Wait, did buusra reported him to Loki or what? Why is he banned?
My results:
Gedrosia 24.84 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 11.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_African 0.96 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.99 Pct
East_Asian 4.31 Pct
Caucasus 39.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Me
4.76645571 Azerbaijani_North
5.73993902 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.38393296 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.68994021 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.89744155 Azerbaijani
7.27088715 Kurd_Adygea
7.51220341 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.52503156 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.55384670 Zaza
8.09483786 Yazidi
8.85382968 Kurd_Sorani
9.03918138 Kurd_Feyli
9.69272408 Udi
10.02626052 Turkmen_Iraq
10.03500872 Iranian_Lur
10.03884456 Turk_Southeast
10.47085956 Iranian_Fars
11.55754732 Iranian_Khorasan
11.76582339 Turk_East
12.18986054 Turk_Central_East
12.25201616 Ingush
12.27883138 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.29444997 Iranian_Kerman
12.46566083 Kumyk
12.48793017 Turk_South
Your North European is high-ish but other than that I don't see the reason to claim affinity to the North Caucasus. You are not North Caucasian. 12% SW Asian puts you much closer to Iran than to Dagestan.
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 05:35 PM
Who said I was from North Caucasus? I sure as hell didn't say that. Check your memory mate while it is not too late.
Azerbaijan is not a "true" Caucasian country. If Iran is 15% Azerbaijani (a conservative estimate), there must be over 12 million Azerbaijani Turks over there.
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 05:51 PM
Azerbaijan is not a "true" Caucasian country. If Iran is 15% Azerbaijani (a conservative estimate), there must be over 12 million Azerbaijani Turks over there.
Daaamn bro, are you still hang up about that. What does that has to do with North Caucasus(which is not the whole Caucasus)? Or my, or any other person's, results? I posted my own autosomal test result and you started this shitposting again. Could have just commented on some interesting details. Could have asked how some components came to be, but no ((
You made up some criteria, whereby number of Azerbaijanis in Iran (which is probably higher 12 mln) somehow negates Azerbaijan being Caucasian country. Never mind that it is by far the biggest in the region.
Never mind that even in Dagestan they are the 6th (close to 5th) most populous ethnicity and historically has been very influential. The language has been lingua franca of the region, and even now many ethnicities in South Dagestan, especially Tabasaran, are speaking Azerbaijani.
Again, you are entitled to you opinion. I just wish it was not so random, so unrelated to my test results.
Daaamn bro, are you still hang up about that. What does that has to do with North Caucasus(which is not the whole Caucasus)? Or my, or any other person's, results? I posted my own autosomal test result and you started this shitposting again. Could have just commented on some interesting details. Could have asked how some components came to be, but no ((
You made up some criteria, whereby number of Azerbaijanis in Iran (which is probably higher 12 mln) somehow negates Azerbaijan being Caucasian country. Never mind that it is by far the biggest in the region.
Never mind that even in Dagestan they are the 6th (close to 5th) most populous ethnicity and historically has been very influential. The language has been lingua franca of the region, and even now many ethnicities in South Dagestan, especially Tabasaran, are speaking Azerbaijani.
Again, you are entitled to you opinion. I just wish it was not so random, so unrelated to my test results.
Well, okay, I have my own views and reasons. I will just say that adopting the bullshit umbrella term "kavkaz" which is used in Russia is a bad idea. Compared to Iran the North Caucasus is a civilizational wasteland. I respect genuine Az Turks, not poisoned by the Russian sector.
Please share your Eurogenes K13 results, we will add them to the members' spreadsheet.
Why was RatCat banned? Until I know the reason I cannot say whether I'm in favor of his removal or not.
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 06:43 PM
Well, okay, I have my own views and reasons. I will just say that adopting the bullshit umbrella term "kavkaz" which is used in Russia is a bad idea
Sure, I agree. I was not adopting or being proud of anything. I abhore the assholes who shout "kavkaz sila" type bullshit.
It is just a region to which big chunk (not all) of Azerbaijanis belong to, which is a fact. (am not Russian sector btw)
Compared to Iran the North Caucasus is a civilizational wasteland
Wasteland is understatement, Dagestan is a cesspool.
Please share your Eurogenes K13 results, we will add them to the members' spreadsheet.
North_Atlantic 5.73 Pct
Baltic 7.94 Pct
West_Med 4.37 Pct
West_Asian 41.12 Pct
East_Med 23.88 Pct
Red_Sea 5.64 Pct
South_Asian 4.63 Pct
East_Asian 2.7 Pct
Siberian 2.41 Pct
Amerindian 0.53 Pct
Oceanian 0.33 Pct
Northeast_African 0.72 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Altaylı
04-04-2021, 06:43 PM
Crimean Nogai:
Gedrosia 13.69 Pct
Siberian 10.60 Pct
Northwest_African 0.60 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.19 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.93 Pct
North_European 19.41 Pct
South_Asian 1.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.81 Pct
East_Asian 14.62 Pct
Caucasus 28.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Crimean_Nogai
Distance: 1.3611% / 1.36114418 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.9 Nogai
15.2 Turkmen_Iran
15.1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
8.3 Uzbeki
4.1 Kuwait2
2.4 Japanese
Distance to: Crimean_Nogai
9.11362716 Nogai
11.64882397 Turkmen_Iran
13.34121434 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.03881977 Uzbek
15.36174469 Turkmen_Afghanistan
15.61149256 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.70551495 Turk_Northwest
16.15002786 Uzbeki
16.37990537 Turkmen_TM
16.86900708 Turk_Southwest
17.77271223 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
18.78453087 Tajik_Mountain
18.86918652 Turk_West_BlackSea
18.96935687 Turk_South
19.07238055 Kabardin
19.61978083 Kumyk
19.84778829 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
20.07144987 Turk_Central_West
20.23010381 Abazin
20.78028633 Tajik_Lowland
20.84205364 Balkar
20.94363626 Lipka_Tatar
21.29587754 Circassian
21.55455636 Karachay
22.02490863 Turk_Trakya
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 06:53 PM
double
Sure, I agree. I was not adopting or being proud of anything. I abhore the assholes who shout "kavkaz sila" type bullshit.
It is just a region to which big chunk (not all) of Azerbaijanis belong to, which is a fact. (am not Russian sector btw)
Wasteland is understatement, Dagestan is a cesspool.
North_Atlantic 5.73 Pct
Baltic 7.94 Pct
West_Med 4.37 Pct
West_Asian 41.12 Pct
East_Med 23.88 Pct
Red_Sea 5.64 Pct
South_Asian 4.63 Pct
East_Asian 2.7 Pct
Siberian 2.41 Pct
Amerindian 0.53 Pct
Oceanian 0.33 Pct
Northeast_African 0.72 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Haha, thanks, appreciate this comment! :D
- - -
Target: Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
Distance: 1.1633% / 1.16328633 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.2 Ingush
31.2 Talysh
15.2 Lezgin
12.6 Kurdish
8.1 Saudi
1.7 She
It's almost even-Steven between Iran and Caucasus plus some Saudi.
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 07:46 PM
Haha, thanks, appreciate this comment! :D
- - -
Target: Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
Distance: 1.1633% / 1.16328633 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.2 Ingush
31.2 Talysh
15.2 Lezgin
12.6 Kurdish
8.1 Saudi
1.7 She
It's almost even-Steven between Iran and Caucasus plus some Saudi.
Saudi and She (had to google this) I assume are added by the algorithm to account for SWA and EA respectively.
It is as expected. Dad is from the northern part of the country (high NE and Gedrosia), while my mother is from the southern part(SWA+EA).
Dodecad K12 gives me this:
Target: Me
Distance: 2.1098% / 2.10982651
42.4 Lezgin
23.3 Iranian_Mazandaran
11.5 Georgian_Adjara
11.3 Assyrian_North
6.8 Kuwait2
4.1 Japanese
0.6 Georgian_Svan
I am planning to test my parents too. Right now I assume that my dad will be much more northern shifted than me, while my mother will be more southern shifted.
Saudi and She (had to google this) I assume are added by the algorithm to account for SWA and EA respectively.
It is as expected. Dad is from the northern part of the country (high NE and Gedrosia), while my mother is from the southern part(SWA+EA).
Dodecad K12 gives me this:
Target: Me
Distance: 2.1098% / 2.10982651
42.4 Lezgin
23.3 Iranian_Mazandaran
11.5 Georgian_Adjara
11.3 Assyrian_North
6.8 Kuwait2
4.1 Japanese
0.6 Georgian_Svan
I am planning to test my parents too. Right now I assume that my dad will be much more northern shifted than me, while my mother will be more southern shifted.
Ive runned your 2-way and picked out the most interesting ones:
Distance to: Sterling_Archer
4.13606264 66.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33.60% Kurd_Feyli
4.71645739 74.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 25.40% Lezgin
4.76908817 57.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 42.80% Azerbaijani_Iran
4.78550666 17.00% Nogai + 83.00% Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.79067068 10.40% Lipka_Tatar + 89.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan
Saudi and She (had to google this) I assume are added by the algorithm to account for SWA and EA respectively.
It is as expected. Dad is from the northern part of the country (high NE and Gedrosia), while my mother is from the southern part(SWA+EA).
Dodecad K12 gives me this:
Target: Me
Distance: 2.1098% / 2.10982651
42.4 Lezgin
23.3 Iranian_Mazandaran
11.5 Georgian_Adjara
11.3 Assyrian_North
6.8 Kuwait2
4.1 Japanese
0.6 Georgian_Svan
I am planning to test my parents too. Right now I assume that my dad will be much more northern shifted than me, while my mother will be more southern shifted.
Are you a speaker of Baku dialect? I still like Azerbaijani even though it's been years since I briefly studied Eastern languages. I find Azerbaijani better than Turkish (to my taste), however I do admire the Turks' self-confident use of their language, even on this forum it's visible.
You seem to be a little over 5% Mongoloid.
Sterling Archer
04-04-2021, 09:20 PM
Are you a speaker of Baku dialect? I still like Azerbaijani even though it's been years since I briefly studied Eastern languages. I find Azerbaijani better than Turkish (to my taste), however I do admire the Turks' self-confident use of their language, even on this forum it's visible.
You seem to be a little over 5% Mongoloid.
Are you a speaker of Baku dialect?
I speak standard Azerbaijani, which is spoken in the Absheron peninsula. Baku dialect is now mainly spoken in the old Baku villages like Ramana, Surakhani, etc., otherwise it is rare now.
You seem to be a little over 5% Mongoloid
Yeah, a decent percentage. Again, considering the region my mother is from, this is expected.
I don't have anyone in my family with eastern phenotype tbh, but in my maternal village I have seen people with appearance I usually associated with North West of the country.
As for my dad, well, he looks rather North European really, so I don't think I have inherited EA from him. But testing him will resolve everything. Now the hard part is to convince him:)
Yeah, a decent percentage. Again, considering the region my mother is from, this is expected.
I don't have anyone in my family with eastern phenotype tbh, but in my maternal village I have seen people with appearance I usually associated with North West of the country.
As for my dad, well, he looks rather North European really, so I don't think I have inherited EA from him. But testing him will resolve everything. Now the hard part is to convince him:)
Interesting. Is he passable as a Russian? I don't think he is zero East Eurasian, otherwise that'd mean he is just assimilated and Turkic in name only. I think even North Caucasians and Persians would often score 2-3% EE.
Sterling Archer
04-05-2021, 05:45 PM
Is he passable as a Russian?
Yeah. Routinely when he was in the military or komandirovka during the olden days:D.
When I have received his test I'll post his youth(in order to protect his privacy) photo with his result, if he gives his permission.
I don't think he is zero East Eurasian
He most certainly has east Eurasian, maybe even higher than I expect.
I think even North Caucasians and Persians would often score 2-3% EE.
Yeah even non-Turkic North Caucasians do score decent EA, especially Vainakhs. I assume that is why Ingush are usually close to north shifted Azerbaijanis.
Some Iranians
Gedrosia 28.24 Pct
Siberian 1.18 Pct
Northwest_African 0.32 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.18 Pct
North_European 8.72 Pct
South_Asian 4.08 Pct
East_African 1.15 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.46 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 39 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.66 Pct
Distance to: Sahar
4.14880706 Iranian_Fars
5.04185482 Yazidi
5.08646242 Kurd_Feyli
5.09935290 Kurd_Sorani
5.71794544 Iranian_Lur
6.07602666 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.60955369 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.71705293 Turkmen_Iraq
6.96693620 Iranian_Kerman
7.12226790 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: Sahar
Distance: 1.0230% / 1.02301017 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.7 Kurd_Feyli
18.8 Iranian_Fars
5.2 Kaitag_Dagestan
3.8 Udmurt
3.1 Kuwait1
1.4 Cambodians
Target: Sahar
Distance: 2.5666% / 2.56659792 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.2 Iranian_Fars
19.3 Kurd_Feyli
17.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.7 Kurd_Sorani
Gedrosia 26.17 Pct
Siberian 2.21 Pct
Northwest_African 1.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.68 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.76 Pct
North_European 8.1 Pct
South_Asian 4.1 Pct
East_African 0.89 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.24 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 36.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ali
4.52384792 Kurd_Feyli
5.22000958 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.71900341 Iranian_Lur
5.84542556 Yazidi
6.04871061 Iranian_Fars
6.43609354 Iranian_Mazandaran
6.80775293 Kurd_Sorani
6.80902342 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.43216658 Iranian_Kerman
7.55874328 Zaza
Target: Ali
Distance: 1.0916% / 1.09159835 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.9 Kurd_Feyli
21.9 Iranian_Mazandaran
18.0 Lezgin
5.4 Iranian_Kerman
1.8 Ethiopian
Target: Ali
Distance: 1.3715% / 1.37153737 | ADC: 0.5x RC
59.3 Kurd_Feyli
17.1 Lezgin
12.8 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.8 Iranian_Kerman
Ahiska Turk from Ardahan (Turkey):
Gedrosia: 18.84
Siberian: 0.34
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.01
North_European: 6.72
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.10
East_Asian: 0.89
Caucasus: 55.09
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Ahiska_Ardahan
3.12884963 Turk_Ahiska
4.07900723 Hemshin
4.30541519 Laz
5.30113195 Georgian_Adjara
5.69354898 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.72937169 Georgian
6.64445634 Georgian_Imereti
7.21534476 Armenian_East
7.36836481 Greek_Pontus
7.93204892 Georgian_Gurian
9.04138817 Abkhazian
9.28927877 Georgian_Mingrelian
9.92422289 Armenian_West
10.12747254 Udi
10.24350038 Georgian_Svan
10.36270235 Turk_East
12.68991726 Assyrian_North
12.78021127 Azeri_Jew
13.06948354 Assyrian_West
13.25320716 Ossetian_South
13.29689813 Assyrian_South
14.55167344 Zaza
15.13783670 Adyghe
15.17100194 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.32873119 Ossetian
Target: Ahiska_Ardahan
Distance: 1.8892% / 1.88920954 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.9 Turk_Ahiska
38.2 Hemshin
9.9 Georgian
2.0 Georgian_Adjara
New Chechens
Gedrosia 23.11 Pct
Siberian 1.83 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.78 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.91 Pct
North_European 19.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.12 Pct
East_African 0.53 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.17 Pct
East_Asian 0.43 Pct
Caucasus 43.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Muhammad
2.66580194 Ingush
2.79758825 Chechen
5.51023593 Kumyk
6.20137888 Adyghe
6.60764709 Karachay
6.77208240 Balkar
7.14077027 Ossetian
7.35085709 Circassian
7.55522336 Abazin
7.61565493 Kabardin
Target: Muhammad
Distance: 0.9630% / 0.96300918 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.8 Chechen
34.0 Kubachi_Dagestan
17.7 Georgian_Adjara
5.3 Ingush
3.2 Balkan_Gypsy
Target: Muhammad
Distance: 2.0704% / 2.07039376 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.8 Ingush
47.2 Chechen
Gedrosia 23.83 Pct
Siberian 3.35 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.88 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.42 Pct
North_European 20.95 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.73 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 40.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ramzan
3.48414982 Chechen
4.68718466 Kumyk
5.23330679 Lezgin
5.39448793 Ingush
5.69834186 Lak
7.10063377 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.47097718 Avar
7.68903115 Tabasaran
7.79540891 Kaitag_Dagestan
8.20821540 Kabardin
Target: Ramzan
Distance: 1.2499% / 1.24990868 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.3 Chechen
37.8 Lezgin
2.3 Jordanian_Christian
1.1 Dolgan
0.5 Saudi
Target: Ramzan
Distance: 1.6996% / 1.69963877 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.6 Chechen
33.6 Lezgin
8.2 Kumyk
7.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Target: Ramzan
Distance: 1.9480% / 1.94803811 | ADC: 1x RC
62.7 Chechen
37.3 Lezgin
+9% East Eurasian Iranian Azeri:
woman on the right:
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Gedrosia: 21.12
Siberian: 3.24
NW_African: 0.64
SE_Asian: 1.51
Atlantic_Med: 7.20
North_European: 9.34
South_Asian: 1.05
East_African: 0.25
SW_Asian: 12.65
East_Asian: 4.35
Caucasus: 38.47
SSA: 0.17
Distance to: iranazeri
2.90411777 Azerbaijani
3.06610502 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.79429835 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.32353266 Turk_Southeast
6.46838465 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.03152899 Zaza
7.35144204 Turkmen_Iraq
7.40817791 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.55966269 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.60096047 Kurd_Adygea
7.69655767 Turk_South
7.77600797 Turk_Central_East
7.80088457 Yazidi
7.92150869 Kurd_Sorani
8.64535714 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.19213251 Udi
9.47443930 Turk_East
9.51105672 Turk_Central_West
9.88419951 Kurd_Feyli
10.26588525 Iranian_Lur
10.52613414 Iranian_Fars
11.45592423 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.55734831 Turk_Southwest
11.69109490 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.97161226 Iranian_Khorasan
Target: iranazeri
Distance: 1.4330% / 1.43297529 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.3 Azerbaijani_Iran
20.1 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.3 Balkar
3.9 Kuwait2
2.0 Hezhen
0.4 Han_central
Distance to: iranazeri
2.36758751 12.40% Nogai_Astrakhan + 87.60% Zaza
2.42910471 13.00% Karakalpak + 87.00% Zaza
2.47413053 13.60% Nogai_Stavropol + 86.40% Zaza
2.54423408 11.40% Kazakh + 88.60% Zaza
2.73627703 11.20% Kyrgyz_Pamir + 88.80% Zaza
2.74320855 10.80% Kyrgyz + 89.20% Zaza
2.80860575 74.80% Kurd_Sorani + 25.20% Nogai
2.90418956 11.80% Tatar_Siberia + 88.20% Zaza
2.92578636 10.60% Tubalar + 89.40% Zaza
2.93938631 9.80% Khakass + 90.20% Zaza
2.94710180 79.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 20.80% Nogai
2.95466249 15.60% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 84.40% Zaza
2.96163249 10.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 89.60% Zaza
2.98283478 16.20% Uzbeki + 83.80% Zaza
3.02510623 9.00% Kalmyk + 91.00% Zaza
3.02612509 8.60% Mongol_Khalkh + 91.40% Zaza
3.03306132 10.00% Shor + 90.00% Zaza
3.04399327 13.20% Uyghur + 86.80% Zaza
3.05953660 43.00% Kurd_Feyli + 57.00% Turk_South
3.06315341 9.60% Altaian_Telengit + 90.40% Zaza
3.07159146 16.20% Turkmen_Afghanistan + 83.80% Zaza
3.08243182 8.80% Mongol_Uuld + 91.20% Zaza
3.08637096 9.40% Altaian_Kizhi + 90.60% Zaza
3.09316857 32.40% Iranian_Mazandaran + 67.60% Turk_South
3.11514846 76.80% Turkmen_Iraq + 23.20% Nogai
Altaylı
04-08-2021, 01:12 PM
+9% East Eurasian Iranian Azeri:
woman on the right:
[URL] (Dont quote)
Gedrosia: 21.12
Siberian: 3.24
NW_African: 0.64
SE_Asian: 1.51
Atlantic_Med: 7.20
North_European: 9.34
South_Asian: 1.05
East_African: 0.25
SW_Asian: 12.65
East_Asian: 4.35
Caucasus: 38.47
SSA: 0.17
Distance to: iranazeri
2.90411777 Azerbaijani
3.06610502 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.79429835 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.32353266 Turk_Southeast
6.46838465 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.03152899 Zaza
7.35144204 Turkmen_Iraq
7.40817791 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.55966269 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.60096047 Kurd_Adygea
7.69655767 Turk_South
7.77600797 Turk_Central_East
7.80088457 Yazidi
7.92150869 Kurd_Sorani
8.64535714 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.19213251 Udi
9.47443930 Turk_East
9.51105672 Turk_Central_West
9.88419951 Kurd_Feyli
10.26588525 Iranian_Lur
10.52613414 Iranian_Fars
11.45592423 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.55734831 Turk_Southwest
11.69109490 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.97161226 Iranian_Khorasan
Target: iranazeri
Distance: 1.4330% / 1.43297529 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.3 Azerbaijani_Iran
20.1 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.3 Balkar
3.9 Kuwait2
2.0 Hezhen
0.4 Han_central
Distance to: iranazeri
2.36758751 12.40% Nogai_Astrakhan + 87.60% Zaza
2.42910471 13.00% Karakalpak + 87.00% Zaza
2.47413053 13.60% Nogai_Stavropol + 86.40% Zaza
2.54423408 11.40% Kazakh + 88.60% Zaza
2.73627703 11.20% Kyrgyz_Pamir + 88.80% Zaza
2.74320855 10.80% Kyrgyz + 89.20% Zaza
2.80860575 74.80% Kurd_Sorani + 25.20% Nogai
2.90418956 11.80% Tatar_Siberia + 88.20% Zaza
2.92578636 10.60% Tubalar + 89.40% Zaza
2.93938631 9.80% Khakass + 90.20% Zaza
2.94710180 79.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 20.80% Nogai
2.95466249 15.60% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 84.40% Zaza
2.96163249 10.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 89.60% Zaza
2.98283478 16.20% Uzbeki + 83.80% Zaza
3.02510623 9.00% Kalmyk + 91.00% Zaza
3.02612509 8.60% Mongol_Khalkh + 91.40% Zaza
3.03306132 10.00% Shor + 90.00% Zaza
3.04399327 13.20% Uyghur + 86.80% Zaza
3.05953660 43.00% Kurd_Feyli + 57.00% Turk_South
3.06315341 9.60% Altaian_Telengit + 90.40% Zaza
3.07159146 16.20% Turkmen_Afghanistan + 83.80% Zaza
3.08243182 8.80% Mongol_Uuld + 91.20% Zaza
3.08637096 9.40% Altaian_Kizhi + 90.60% Zaza
3.09316857 32.40% Iranian_Mazandaran + 67.60% Turk_South
3.11514846 76.80% Turkmen_Iraq + 23.20% Nogai
She can pass in southern Ankara and Northern Aksaray very easily!!! i have similar looking relatives :eek:
Lucas
04-09-2021, 09:08 PM
Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?
Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2. 5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08 ,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0 ,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34, 11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1. 09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1. 63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5. 55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45 ,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57, 11.78,0,34.56,0.1
Dr_Maul
04-09-2021, 11:42 PM
Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?
Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2. 5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08 ,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0 ,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34, 11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1. 09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1. 63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5. 55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45 ,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57, 11.78,0,34.56,0.1
Persian and Gilak averages seem good. Bushehr/Bandari will be "off" as always due to extreme diversity. Can't comment on Alevis or the Armenian. But the Iranian ones seem legit
Halgurd
04-10-2021, 12:05 AM
Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2. 5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08 ,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
What sort of names are these? I swear people are afraid to say 'Kurd'
It's like saying Sunni(Sorani)_Erbil in my case. Or how about Protestant(Cockney)_London. Makes no sense. Kurd_Dersim and Kurd_Anatolia is enough.
Dr_Maul
04-10-2021, 01:04 AM
What sort of names are these? I swear people are afraid to say 'Kurd'
It's like saying Sunni(Sorani)_Erbil in my case. Or how about Protestant(Cockney)_London. Makes no sense. Kurd_Dersim and Kurd_Anatolia is enough.
Alevis are probably a bit different than standard Kurds, especially some who are mixed with Turkish.
Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?
Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2. 5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08 ,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0 ,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34, 11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1. 09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1. 63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5. 55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45 ,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57, 11.78,0,34.56,0.1
We already have enough Iranian averages. Gilaki is similar to Mazandarani. If one can be added it's the Isfahan one as there is no central Iranian average. There are also enough Kurdish averages. I don't think Alevis should have an own one either. I think the existing Zaza and Kurmanji kurdish averages already are based on Anatolian Kurds and they dont differ really from these ones.
Halgurd
04-10-2021, 02:46 AM
What sort of names are these? I swear people are afraid to say 'Kurd'
It's like saying Sunni(Sorani)_Erbil in my case. Or how about Protestant(Cockney)_London. Makes no sense. Kurd_Dersim and Kurd_Anatolia is enough.
Alevis are probably a bit different than standard Kurds, especially some who are mixed with Turkish.
How? The Dersim average doesn't deviate from the Kurdish average. The vast majority of Alevi Kurdish results are in line with the Kurdish average. There is a minority of Alevi Kurdish results with an Anatolian shift, and in all cases this is due to recent non Kurdish ancestry.
If a Kurd has recent Turkish ancestry then it will show. If not, then it won't. Those with recent non Kurdish admix (a single non Kurdish great grandparent suffices this category) shouldn't be included in an average either way. This is actually the problem with the Kurdish average on G25, hence why it is useless for modelling Kurds.
Dr_Maul
04-10-2021, 03:57 AM
How? The Dersim average doesn't deviate from the Kurdish average. The vast majority of Alevi Kurdish results are in line with the Kurdish average. There is a minority of Alevi Kurdish results with an Anatolian shift, and in all cases this is due to recent non Kurdish ancestry.
If a Kurd has recent Turkish ancestry then it will show. If not, then it won't. Those with recent non Kurdish admix (a single non Kurdish great grandparent suffices this category) shouldn't be included in an average either way. This is actually the problem with the Kurdish average on G25, hence why it is useless for modelling Kurds.
The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point
Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Afyonkarahisar_in_Turkey.svg/300px-Afyonkarahisar_in_Turkey.svg.png
They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:
YDNA: R1a-Z93
Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26
Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East
Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran
Altaylı
04-10-2021, 07:45 AM
Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Afyonkarahisar_in_Turkey.svg/300px-Afyonkarahisar_in_Turkey.svg.png
They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:
YDNA: R1a-Z93
Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26
Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East
Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran
Probably all of eastern anatolian Turkmens(Şereflü Bozulus Danishmendids Hacıahmetli etc) migrated west(Ankara Afyonkarahisar kırşehir aksaray etc.) in Ottoman era probably this is why eastern anatolian Turks score low Turkic like erzurum
Probably all of eastern anatolian Turkmens(Şereflü Bozulus Danishmendids Hacıahmetli etc) migrated west(Ankara Afyonkarahisar kırşehir aksaray etc.) in Ottoman era probably this is why eastern anatolian Turks score low Turkic like erzurum
They migrated either west or east (to Iran/Azerbaijan). A lot of Qizilbash originated from Eastern Anatolia (Diyarbakir especially).
Altaylı
04-10-2021, 08:15 AM
They migrated either west or east (to Iran/Azerbaijan). A lot of Qizilbash originate from Eastern Anatolia.
Yeah many anatolian Turkmens migrated Iran(especially Afshars) when Afsharid dynasty founded in Iran.
After Afsharid dynasty collapsed some of them back to anatolia some of them stayed Iran.
Yeah many anatolian Turkmens migrated Iran(especially Afshars) when Afsharid dynasty founded in Iran.
After Afsharid dynasty collapsed some of them back to anatolia some of them stayed Iran.
Yep most of them (Anatolian and Iranian ones) orignate from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beylik_of_Dulkadir
But obiously it's better to just study the history of the Aq Qoyunlu as we speak of mostly nomadic groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitab-i_Diyarbakriyya
We already have enough Iranian averages. Gilaki is similar to Mazandarani. If one can be added it's the Isfahan one as there is no central Iranian average. There are also enough Kurdish averages. I don't think Alevis should have an own one either. I think the existing Zaza and Kurmanji kurdish averages already are based on Anatolian Kurds and they dont differ really from these ones.
Gilaki is interesting, I think. Can be added.
Gilaki is interesting, I think. Can be added.
Its similar to Mazandarani and I doubt it's based on many results.
Halgurd
04-10-2021, 12:54 PM
The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point
The average Kurdish Alevi is on average 8/8 Kurd. Mixing with non Kurdish Alevis or non Alevis in general is a very recent phenomenon. Alevis tend to be strict on these things.
Turkish Alevis are similar. Tahtaci Alevis for example don't mix with non Tahtaci Alevis, let alone non Alevis.
Fedora
04-10-2021, 02:21 PM
The average Kurdish Alevi is on average 8/8 Kurd. Mixing with non Kurdish Alevis or non Alevis in general is a very recent phenomenon. Alevis tend to be strict on these things.
Turkish Alevis are similar. Tahtaci Alevis for example don't mix with non Tahtaci Alevis, let alone non Alevis.
Seen both Turkish and Kurdish Alevi results with "Armenian/Pontic" shift in regions of Elazig, Malatya etc.
The first one is a Gurian Georgian (prolly not new), the rest are Georgians tested by a Czech guy who lives in Tbilisi. He has also tested a couple of Russians from Georgia as well as his own family.
Gedrosia 18.93 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.02 Pct
North_European 8.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.15 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 59.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Gedrosia 20.06 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.79 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.62 Pct
North_European 11.49 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_African 0.67 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.8 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.3 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct
Gedrosia 19.42 Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.26 Pct
North_European 9.24 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Caucasus 56.4 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.29 Pct
Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.7 Pct
North_European 11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 59.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Gedrosia 20.06 Pct
Siberian 1.36 Pct
Northwest_African 1.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.16 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.23 Pct
North_European 10.75 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 49.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Mejgusu
04-10-2021, 03:00 PM
The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point
Alevi Kurds are either Turkish influenced(3-5% east eurasian) or they have low steppe. Considering the geographic and historical conditions which you find in Kurdish-Alevi regions it isn’t surprising that many of them can be 30-50% Anatolian Turkish or 50% Armenian. Alevism emerged among Turkish sectarian groups, strictly speaking Non-Turkish Alevis shouldn’t exist(it is an ethnoreligous group) but it seems that during the centuries some groups swayed their religion to Non-Turkish groups. On the other hand it is well known that many Armenians were assimilated into Alevi-Kurdish groups, so some could have less NE-Euro because of Armenian influence.
Sterling Archer
04-10-2021, 03:33 PM
Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.7 Pct
North_European 11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 59.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Almost no Atlantic_Med. Maybe also Gurian:
Distance to: Geo
2.81996454 Georgian_Gurian
3.30071204 Georgian_Mingrelian
3.83928379 Georgian_Svan
4.53361886 Georgian
4.56010965 Georgian_Imereti
5.54439356 Abkhazian
9.14350042 Georgian_Adjara
9.57146279 Turk_Ahiska
10.12979763 Laz
10.91111818 Ossetian_South
10.92796870 Hemshin
12.76396098 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.59876707 Ossetian
14.67128488 Greek_Pontus
Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
This one seems to be quarter North European. I'm surprised it is NW European and not Russian:
Distance to: Georgian
1.84326814 78.80% Abkhazian + 21.20% Irish
1.87288949 78.60% Abkhazian + 21.40% Scottish
1.88697876 79.00% Abkhazian + 21.00% Icelandic
2.03975462 78.40% Abkhazian + 21.60% English_North
2.08367064 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% German_Northwest
2.08739252 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% English_South
2.10972097 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% English_mixed
2.14773798 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Danish
2.16671748 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% French_Northwest
2.26307139 76.40% Georgian + 23.60% Swedish
2.28037708 77.60% Abkhazian + 22.40% Dutch
2.32779395 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Swedish
2.48851917 77.80% Abkhazian + 22.20% German
2.52190401 23.60% Danish + 76.40% Georgian
2.55158363 76.20% Georgian + 23.80% Icelandic
2.60002119 74.80% Georgian + 25.20% German
2.63736019 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Irish
2.64183766 74.60% Georgian_Svan + 25.40% Scottish
2.71282602 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Icelandic
2.75854718 75.40% Georgian + 24.60% German_Northwest
2.78036242 25.40% English_North + 74.60% Georgian_Svan
2.78671132 26.00% English_South + 74.00% Georgian_Svan
2.80195745 76.80% Abkhazian + 23.20% French_North
2.82656862 25.80% English_mixed + 74.20% Georgian_Svan
2.85604980 26.00% French_Northwest + 74.00% Georgian_Svan
Yes, looks so. But that is not to say all Georgians have low North European. We don't know much about Eastern Georgia. The Avars live right next to the Eastern fringe of Georgia.
Halgurd
04-10-2021, 04:32 PM
Seen both Turkish and Kurdish Alevi results with "Armenian/Pontic" shift in regions of Elazig, Malatya etc.
Yes true. This obvs results from Armenians who assimilated into that society after the genocide. It is not uncommon amongst Sunni Kurds too.
Halgurd
04-10-2021, 04:44 PM
Alevi Kurds are either Turkish influenced(3-5% east eurasian) or they have low steppe. Considering the geographic and historical conditions which you find in Kurdish-Alevi regions it isn’t surprising that many of them can be 30-50% Anatolian Turkish or 50% Armenian.
Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.
Eleonor
04-10-2021, 04:49 PM
ohmygad i had to create a new account, i have lost the pass, everything :p
How do i get the new results with the old ones, thx kiss
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.67
2 Atlantic_Med 36.36
3 Caucasus 12.22
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.38
6 Siberian 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 6.04
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.65
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.54
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.51
5 Hungarians (Behar) 10.54
6 French (Dodecad) 10.58
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.61
8 English (Dodecad) 10.81
9 French (HGDP) 10.92
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.55
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.88
12 British (Dodecad) 13.09
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.61
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.73
15 Irish (Dodecad) 13.83
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.91
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 20.01
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.47
Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.
They exist. But not as common as Gecko claimed. I think it's mainly restricted to Alevis in places like Kahranmaras:
Gedrosia: 22.86
Siberian: 3.16
NW_African: 0.43
SE_Asian: 0.13
Atlantic_Med: 8.79
North_European: 7.48
South_Asian: 0.80
East_African: 0.24
SW_Asian: 12.64
East_Asian: 2.04
Caucasus: 41.17
SSA: 0.25
Distance to: Alevi_Kahranmaras
3.38644356 Zaza_Kurd
3.47977011 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.80252548 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.92936382 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.63066950 Azerbaijani
4.93952427 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.74027874 Yazidi_Kurd
5.78270698 Udi
6.56184425 Turk_Southeast
6.58720730 Turkmen_Iraq
6.60364293 Kurd_Sorani
7.11204612 Turk_East
7.87196291 Kurd_Feyli
8.07673201 Iranian_Lur
8.39088196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.57328992 Turk_Central_East
9.95539050 Turk_South
10.19674458 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.58090261 Iranian_Fars
11.15516024 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.19434679 Turk_Central_West
11.32193446 Azeri_Jew
11.33601341 Armenian_East
11.90650243 Assyrian_North
11.98061351 Mandean
Target: Alevi_Kahranmaras
Distance: 1.3718% / 1.37177857 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.6 Zaza_Kurd
12.8 Udi
11.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.6 Ingush
2.6 Yakut
Altaylı
04-10-2021, 05:00 PM
Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Afyonkarahisar_in_Turkey.svg/300px-Afyonkarahisar_in_Turkey.svg.png
They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:
YDNA: R1a-Z93
Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26
Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East
Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran
Also interestingly R1a Z93 is common among eastern anatolian Turkmen tribes like bozulus qizilbash Şereflü etc. Also your y dna is R1a Z93 too:D
There are R1a Z93 in my hometown :d(ankara, Şereflikoçhisar)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults
Sterling Archer
04-10-2021, 05:05 PM
Yes, looks so. But that is not to say all Georgians have low North European. We don't know much about Eastern Georgia. The Avars live right next to the Eastern fringe of Georgia.
Yeah haven't thought of that.
Although I think that the reason Georgians, and to a degree Armenians, display such "clean" results is due in part to their Christian faith and identity. This distinction, together with geography, has probably shielded them from mingling with their neighbors.
So, while Azerbaijanis have mixed with all their neighbors, including Avars, Lezgins and Iranians, which can also be seen in their results, the same can't be said (for now) about Georgians. Even Azerbaijanis in Georgia do not seem to have mixed with the locals, unlike Azeris in Dagestan.
One possibility I see is that the mixing with non-Georgians could still have happened before Christianity/Islam distinction arose. Would be interesting to see an eastern Georgian sample.
ohmygad i had to create a new account, i have lost the pass, everything :p
How do i get the new results with the old ones, thx kiss
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.67
2 Atlantic_Med 36.36
3 Caucasus 12.22
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.38
6 Siberian 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 6.04
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.65
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.54
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.51
5 Hungarians (Behar) 10.54
6 French (Dodecad) 10.58
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.61
8 English (Dodecad) 10.81
9 French (HGDP) 10.92
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.55
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.88
12 British (Dodecad) 13.09
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.61
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.73
15 Irish (Dodecad) 13.83
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.91
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 20.01
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.47
You're in the wrong thread, darling ;)
Halgurd
04-10-2021, 05:11 PM
They exist. But not as common as Gecko claimed. I think it's mainly restricted to Alevis in places like Kahranmaras:
Correct. This is more or less non existent amongst the bulk of the Alevi Kurds though.
I've seen a few Maras results like this but found no way to verify whether or not they were fully Kurdish. I've posted them before in this thread. However, from the ones I have spoken to, they all have a distant non Kurdish ancestor down the line which would explain the high east eurasian (even a single Circassian great grandparent would suffice).
Hence why I asked for a fully Kurdish result.
Eleonor
04-10-2021, 05:17 PM
You're in the wrong thread, darling ;)
wow sorry i did read west and central europe in the title :rolleyes:
Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.
This tool is not designed to measure total East Asian in any population. For one thing the Caucasus component is based on all the following populations some of which have a decent amount of East Asian. In other words it's hidden in these populations:
<colgroup width="153"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85"></colgroup> <tbody>
Population
Caucasus
Georgians
74%
Abhkasians
70%
Armenians
60%
North_Ossetians
57%
Balkars
57%
Adygei
57%
Armenian
56%
Assyrian
52%
Chechens
51%
Druze
50%
Turkish
46%
Kumyks
46%
Turks
46%
Lezgins
46%
Uzbekistan_Jews
45%
Kurd
40%
Iranian
40%
</tbody>
Also the Gedrosian component is based on populations below some of which also have substantial East Asian. In other words Gedrosian has hidden East Asian also.
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<colgroup width="137"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85"></colgroup> <tbody>
Population
Gedrosia
Brahui
70%
Balochi
64%
Makrani
61%
Sindhi
51%
Jatt
46%
Pathan
44%
Meena
43%
Burusho
43%
Indian
39%
Velamas
38%
Kshatriya
38%
Meghawal
36%
Dharkars
35%
Kanjars
35%
Kurmi
34%
Tajiks
34%
</tbody>
Having said this even on this calculator 3-5% is not a limiting factor for Kurds since many Kurds such as these from KurdishDNA blog and even yourself probably are in this range. Not to mention most of the Kurdish samples I have
https://i.imgur.com/2xLSnpF.jpg
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