Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Sterling Archer]

Lol, how do you manage to break the webpage repeatedly? ;) ;)

[Leto]

Yeah haven't thought of that.
Although I think that the reason Georgians, and to a degree Armenians, display such "clean" results is due in part to their Christian faith and identity. This distinction, together with geography, has probably shielded them from mingling with their neighbors.
So, while Azerbaijanis have mixed with all their neighbors, including Avars, Lezgins and Iranians, which can also be seen in their results, the same can't be said (for now) about Georgians. Even Azerbaijanis in Georgia do not seem to have mixed with the locals, unlike Azeris in Dagestan.

One possibility I see is that the mixing with non-Georgians could still have happened before Christianity/Islam distinction arose. Would be interesting to see an eastern Georgian sample.
The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people. I don't know about you, maybe you personally hesitate to call yourself a Turk but before Stalin the Azerbaijanis were officially Turks. And being Turkic in that region means being a lot more recent there than Caucasians, Armenians and even Iranians. On the other hand, Georgians never spoke an Iranian or Turkic language.

[Leto]

The font is so fucking small, my goddamn eyes are bleeding! :stop

[Sterling Archer]

The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people. I don't know about you, maybe you personally hesitate to call yourself a Turk but before Stalin the Azerbaijanis were officially Turks. And being Turkic in that region means being a lot more recent there than Caucasians, Armenians and even Iranians. On the other hand, Georgians never spoke an Iranian or Turkic language.

I think you missed the point of what I wrote. Azeris are Turkic, no one questions that.
Being recent or not is not that relevant either. After all, Vainakhs are not recent, they are natives of Caucasus, yet they are not nearly as pure "Caucasus" as Georgians. The same goes for Dagestanis, which are even more different. They also never spoke Turkic or other languages yet they show much higher degree of admixture.

The point I was trying to make is that being Christian, Georgians and Armenians probably kept their communities separate from the rest of the Caucasus. Their autosomal results clearly show that. They are largely "intact", so to speak.
Intermarriage is much more common when it is interfaith, especially in a region such as Caucasus. Any way, this is all a conjecture. We will see when we have the results.

[Sterling Archer]

The font is so fucking small, my goddamn eyes are bleeding! :stop

How does he do that?:D Is there a special malware?

[Mejgusu]

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

I meant that Alevi Kurds can range between 3-5% east eurasian(30-50% Anatolian Turk), i didn’t state any numbers or statistics, neither I claimed 5% is common or whatever. This 5% east eurasian Kurd was from K.Maras and is already showed here, but I saw some Alevi Kurdish results who were around 3% east eurasian and they weren’t from there. My point was that Kurds generally don’t show that amount of east eurasian admixture(generally 1-2%), i just know this from mixed cities like K.Maras, Igdir etc. Imo below 3% isn’t any indication for Turkish ancestry but any amount of it doesn’t change the identity of them, I am not interested in claiming Kurds have generally high amount of east eurasian Dna, most of Kurds show rarely show up to 3%, if they don’t live in mixed areas. And even then they don’t necessarily have considerable amount of it.

[Halgurd]

I meant that Alevi Kurds can range between 3-5% east eurasian(30-50% Anatolian Turk), i didn’t state any numbers or statistics, neither I claimed 5% is common or whatever. This 5% east eurasian Kurd was from K.Maras and is already showed here, but I saw some Alevi Kurdish results who were around 3% east eurasian and they weren’t from there. My point was that Kurds generally don’t show that amount of east eurasian admixture(generally 1-2%), i just know this from mixed cities like K.Maras, Igdir etc. Imo below 3% isn’t any indication for Turkish ancestry but any amount of it doesn’t change the identity of them, I am not interested in claiming Kurds have generally high amount of east eurasian Dna, most of Kurds show rarely show up to 3%, if they don’t live in mixed areas. And even then they don’t necessarily have considerable amount of it.

How does 3-5% east eurasian translate to 30%-50% anatolian Turk?

[Mejgusu]

How does 3-5% east eurasian translate to 30%-50% anatolian Turk?

Because Kurds generally don’t show any. Look at other Iranics like Iranians or even Tadjiks, if they don’t have any Turkish ancestry they rarely show any. And this east eurasian can have a relation to steppe, but i doubt they had big amount of it that they would show 3-5% east eurasian nowadays. Iranics with most preserved steppe admixture don’t have any or considerable east eurasian.

[Halgurd]

Because Kurds generally don’t show any. Look at other Iranics like Iranians or even Tadjiks, if they don’t have any Turkish ancestry they rarely show any. And this east eurasian can have a relation to steppe, but i doubt they had big amount of it that they would show 3-5% east eurasian nowadays. Iranics with most preserved steppe admixture don’t have any or considerable east eurasian.

I score 3% on this calculator, how would that make me 30%-50% Anatolian Turk?

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani who, by the looks of it, is half Ukrainian:

Gedrosia 11.32 Pct
Siberian 2.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.91 Pct
North_European 30.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.66 Pct
East_African 0.1 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.75 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Caucasus 27.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.08 Pct

Distance to: Ilqar
6.02347076 Turk_Deliorman
7.32170062 Turk_Trakya
8.35184411 Pomak_Greece
8.99711620 Moldovan_Gagauz
9.25078375 Turk_Makedonya
9.28373847 Bulgarian_East
9.92755760 Greek_Macedonia
10.40986551 Pomak_Bulgaria
10.47097417 Bulgarian_Central
10.61304857 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.16509292 Moldovan_South
11.17251091 Bulgarian_West
12.13763568 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.15019753 Romanian

Distance to: Ilqar
1.87773454 53.20% Armenian_West + 46.80% Finnish_West
1.91537968 65.20% Moldovan_North + 34.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.03615182 36.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 64.00% Moldovan_North
2.04906076 37.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 62.40% Moldovan_North
2.11153471 64.40% Moldovan_North + 35.60% Zaza_Kurd
2.16272146 33.20% Kurd_Feyli + 66.80% Moldovan_North
2.17771962 57.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk + 42.80% Zaza_Kurd
2.20768038 39.00% Azerbaijani + 61.00% Moldovan_North
2.21607616 47.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria + 52.40% Turk_East
2.27272011 38.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 61.80% Moldovan_North
2.27466557 45.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 54.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.29283600 33.00% Iranian_Lur + 67.00% Moldovan_North
2.30847387 43.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 56.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.31939141 46.40% Azerbaijani + 53.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.34929548 45.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 55.00% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.47817455 54.80% Armenian_East + 45.20% Finnish_West
2.49539362 35.40% Turkmen_Iraq + 64.60% Moldovan_North
2.50279171 42.60% Turkmen_Iraq + 57.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.50708246 64.80% Moldovan_North + 35.20% Yazidi_Kurd
2.52609511 44.40% Polish + 55.60% Turk_Central_East
2.53438480 35.20% Kurd_Sorani + 64.80% Moldovan_North
2.54676327 47.00% Turk_Southeast + 53.00% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.55290648 37.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 62.20% Bosnian
2.55368360 75.60% Pomak_Greece + 24.40% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.57058765 53.60% Slovak + 46.40% Turk_East

[Leto]

Not sure about this one, the kit is on someone else's account (not West Asian) and it doesn't appear in the search. There are some strange African scores here.

Gedrosia 23.25 Pct
Siberian 1.58 Pct
Northwest_African 1.54 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.75 Pct
North_European 7.41 Pct
South_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_African 1.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.05 Pct
East_Asian 2.75 Pct
Caucasus 36.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: MH
4.54311567 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.14888337 Kurd_Sorani
5.26883289 Azerbaijani
5.28933833 Yazidi_Kurd
5.29701803 Turkmen_Iraq
5.38504410 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.54786445 Iranian_Fars
6.71846709 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.09726708 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.22362098 Zaza_Kurd

Target: MH
Distance: 0.9200% / 0.91999879 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.9 Azerbaijani
38.6 Iranian_Fars
5.8 Turk_Southeast
3.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
3.6 Turkmen_Iraq
1.3 Algerian

Target: MH
Distance: 1.2589% / 1.25890390 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.0 Iranian_Fars
38.1 Azerbaijani
11.2 Turkmen_Iraq
5.4 Balkan_Gypsy
4.3 Azerbaijani_Iran


Someone from Turkey, might be a Turkified Kartvelian

G2a1a1
T2b2b

Gedrosia 20.18 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.58 Pct
North_European 7.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.63 Pct
East_Asian 1.13 Pct
Caucasus 59.77 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: y
3.23153214 Georgian_Imereti
4.14097815 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.31732556 Georgian
4.55589728 Georgian_Gurian
5.49216715 Georgian_Svan
6.59210133 Georgian_Adjara
7.32430884 Abkhazian
8.71624919 Laz
8.74515294 Turk_Ahiska
9.40298357 Hemshin

Target: y
Distance: 2.7748% / 2.77484558
83.3 Georgian_Mingrelian
7.1 Iranian_Mazandaran
4.9 Georgian_Adjara
2.7 Georgian_Imereti
2.0 Kuwait2

Target: y
Distance: 2.9113% / 2.91126053 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Georgian_Imereti
44.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.7 Iranian_Mazandaran

[Leto]

Apparently someone who is half Pamiri half Russian. May as well be an adoptee

Gedrosia 18.91 Pct
Siberian 3.95 Pct
Northwest_African 0.66 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.22 Pct
North_European 39.59 Pct
South_Asian 5.99 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.52 Pct
Caucasus 14.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Kara
Distance: 1.3769% / 1.37694860 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.3 Pamiri_Rushan
40.4 Russian_Oryol
8.3 Tatar_Mishar

Distance to: Kara
1.00926880 51.60% Pamiri_Shughnan + 48.40% Russian_Ryazan
1.19455316 52.60% Pamiri_Shughnan + 47.40% Russian_Oryol
1.20426405 52.40% Pamiri_Rushan + 47.60% Russian_Ryazan
1.34054084 45.00% Belorussian + 55.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
1.36475384 54.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 45.20% Russian_Smolensk
1.40257970 44.40% Belarus_Minsk + 55.60% Pamiri_Shughnan
1.45815568 52.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 47.20% Russian_Kursk
1.47757998 53.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 46.20% Russian_Voronezh
1.55826866 43.80% Belarus_Minsk + 56.20% Pamiri_Rushan
1.58871588 49.20% Pamiri_Ishkashim + 50.80% Russian_Oryol

Too bad I don't have a photo of this female.

[Saba]

Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?



Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2. 5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08 ,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0 ,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34, 11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1. 09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1. 63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5. 55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45 ,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57, 11.78,0,34.56,0.1


I crunched some numbers when i saw how familiar the Khuzestan result looked and found the khuzestan is my ancestryDNA kit and my aunts kit averaged together. idk how accurate that makes it. I hope he didn't just average together 2 people from the same family for every result that would skew the results.

[Mejgusu]

I score 3% on this calculator, how would that make me 30%-50% Anatolian Turk?

Of course you are not 50% Anatolian Turk, you did clearly understand that 3% east eurasian can be 30% Turkish and 5% can be 50% Turkish. Since you are an Iraqi Kurd it could be you have a distant Iraqi Turkmen ancestor which doesn’t make you Turkish or whatever. This was about Alevi so therefore about Turkey Kurds, not about Iraqi Kurds. Alevism emerged from Turkish sectarian groups as an important part of their Turkish identity, so it is understandable that some Alevi Kurds can have distant Turkish ancestry, but still they are Kurds and genetically clustering as a Kurdish group. They aren’t Turks obviously. On the other hand many Alevi Kurds are heavily Armenian shifted, which also does not mean they are Armenians, everyone who is considering him or herself as Kurd is a Kurd.

[Leto]

Not sure if he belongs in this thread but here is a Buryat sample. About 88% East Eurasian/Mongoloid

C2-M407
D4j

Gedrosia 3.79 Pct
Siberian 42.92 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 0.07 Pct
North_European 5 Pct
South_Asian 1.42 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 44.34 Pct
Caucasus 2.1 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: vb
2.88470102 Buryat
5.03125233 Khamnigan
9.77529028 Kalmyk
10.27432236 Mongol_Uuld
10.74429616 Negidal
10.98430699 Oroqen
12.17867398 Nanai
12.39650354 Mongol_Khalkh
12.89053141 Tuvan
14.63152760 Altaian_Telengit

Target: vb
Distance: 1.7540% / 1.75396212 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.0 Buryat
26.8 Negidal
11.2 Shor
7.0 Nivh

Target: vb
Distance: 2.1967% / 2.19669781 | ADC: 0.5x RC
90.1 Buryat
7.4 Nivh
2.5 Negidal

I believe the Buryats are basically a Mongol tribe that migrated northwards and mixed with some local tribes up there.

[Mejgusu]

@Leto do you have half Russian or half Iranian + half Altaian or half Kirgiz samples?

[Leto]

@Leto do you have half Russian or half Iranian + half Altaian or half Kirgiz samples?
Half Iranian probably not. I've seen a few half Kazakh half Russian samples. And half Kyrgyz too. I think I might've posted them in the previous threads. I also have a family where the wife is half Kalmyk and their son is quarter Kalmyk. Why? You think they look proto-Turkic?

[Mejgusu]

Half Iranian probably not. I've seen a few half Kazakh half Russian samples. And half Kyrgyz too. I think I might've posted them in the previous threads. I also have a family where the wife is half Kalmyk and their son is quarter Kalmyk. Why? You think they look proto-Turkic?

Haha no i am quite interesting in to this mixed individuals. I already know this Russian-Kalmyk family which you once posted. But I am not sure about the others so i think i need to look at the old threads. Half Iranian half Altaian for instance would be like a Uzbek or Uyghur but i doubt it would look like a Proto-Turkic sample. Sergei Shoigu is an interesting mix (Russian mother and Tuvan father), although he is half Russian he looks like an Uzbek for me. But he would be too European comparing to early Turkics.

[Leto]

Haha no i am quite interesting in to this mixed individuals. I already know this Russian-Kalmyk family which you once posted. But I am not sure about the others so i think i need to look at the old threads. Half Iranian half Altaian for instance would be like a Uzbek or Uyghur but i doubt it would look like a Proto-Turkic sample. Sergei Shoigu is an interesting mix (Russian mother and Tuvan father), although he is half Russian he looks like an Uzbek for me. But he would be too European comparing to early Turkics.
Okay.
Yep, Sergey Shoigu is about 42-44% Mongoloid, his mother was from Oryol oblast, very low Mong, 2-3%. And Tuvans are in the low 80s, I believe. But even his daughters look quite Mongoloid, I don't know much about his wife, barely any photos of her on the internet. Presumably Russian.

I think a Dagestani-Kalmyk mix would be something similar to Central Asians. There are numerous resettled Dargins in Kalmykia, so that kind of mix probably exists somewhere out there. The current head of Kalmykia is half Kalmyk half Tatar himself, I believe.

[Altaylı]

Okay.
Yep, Sergey Shoigu is about 42-44% Mongoloid, his mother was from Oryol oblast, very low Mong, 2-3%. And Tuvans are in the low 80s, I believe . But even his daughters look quite Mongoloid, I don't know much about his wife, barely any photos of her on the internet. Presumably Russian.

I think a Dagestani-Kalmyk mix would be something similar to Central Asians. There are numerous resettled Dargins in Kalmykia, so that kind of mix probably exists somewhere out there. The current head of Kalmykia is half Kalmyk half Tatar himself, I believe.

So Is Sergey Shoigu real Turk???? :eek::eek3::eek::shocked::eek3:
Actually Sergey Shoigu doesn't look mongoloid
He looks normal eurasian
He reminds me Nasser Hejazi he is ethnic Iranian Azerbaijan Turk
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa5-XBt_pDHIQxQa7AZdcnNgEIAHu8gBSj-HTzV6hL64KQNn-WVTyFLrY&s=10

[Leto]

So Is Sergey Shoigu real Turk???? :eek::eek3::eek::shocked::eek3:
Actually Sergey Shoigu doesn't look mongoloid
He looks normal eurasian
He reminds me Nasser Hejazi he is ethnic Iranian Azerbaijan Turk
[img]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa5-XBt_pDHIQxQa7AZdcnNgEIAHu8gBSj-HTzV6hL64KQNn-WVTyFLrY&s=10
Agree, he doesn't look similar to full Tuvans
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Alash-5x5-300dpi.jpg/600px-Alash-5x5-300dpi.jpg

[Kyp]

Turk 50% from Kocaeli (Northwest) 50% Yörük from Manisa(Aegean):

Gedrosia: 11.56
Siberian: 4.23
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.34
Atlantic_Med: 13.95
North_European: 17.74
South_Asian: 2.27
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.47
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasus: 34.93
SSA: 1.15

Distance to: Turk_KocaeliYorük
5.57053857 Turk_Northwest
5.90441360 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.13877838 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
7.09532945 Turk_Southwest
8.39847605 Turk_Central_West
9.76371855 Turk_South
11.00287235 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.08228767 Turk_Central_East
12.70753320 Turk_Southeast
12.75241938 Greek_Lemnos
12.84647033 Greek_Crete
13.00059999 Kabardin
13.35502153 Greek_Izmir
13.40755384 Greek_Fournoi
13.60672995 Turk_Trakya
13.84506049 Greek_Foca
14.21526996 Azerbaijani
14.41903603 Italian_Apulia
14.46977885 Kumyk
14.60551266 Abazin
14.73037338 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.11289185 Greek_Kos
15.29967974 Turk_Cyprus
15.30493385 Moldovan_Jewish
15.47102776 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Turk_KocaeliYorük
Distance: 3.3828% / 3.38281849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
48.6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain


Turk from Kayseri:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Kayseri_in_Turkey.svg/1200px-Kayseri_in_Turkey.svg.png

Gedrosia: 16.61
Siberian: 0.61
NW_African: 1.16
SE_Asian: 0.77
Atlantic_Med: 12.80
North_European: 9.26
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 15.42
East_Asian: 3.05
Caucasus: 40.32
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Turk_Kayseri
5.17320984 Turk_Southeast
5.34073029 Turk_Central_East
6.89143672 Turk_Central_West
7.44644210 Turk_East
7.56733771 Azerbaijani
7.57749299 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.67488762 Turk_South
8.16685374 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.67827748 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.10958836 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.47143073 Udi
9.60610743 Zaza_Kurd
9.77142262 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.93204913 Turkmen_Iraq
10.17347040 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.37422286 Nusayri_Turkey
10.56513133 Turk_Southwest
10.74002328 Turk_Cyprus
10.82817159 Lebanese_Muslim
10.85379657 Armenian_East
11.01901538 Assyrian_West
11.08612195 Azeri_Jew
11.08733512 Kurd_Sorani
11.15236298 Assyrian_South
11.22647318 Assyrian_North


Target: Turk_Kayseri
Distance: 2.9117% / 2.91170833 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.8 Turk_Southeast
18.3 Greek_Kos
15.5 Assyrian_West
5.4 Turk_East

[Altaylı]

Turk 50% Manav-Yörük from Kocaeli (Northwest) 50% Yörük from Manisa(Aegean):

Gedrosia: 11.56
Siberian: 4.23
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.34
Atlantic_Med: 13.95
North_European: 17.74
South_Asian: 2.27
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.47
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasus: 34.93
SSA: 1.15

Distance to: Turk_KocaeliYorük
5.57053857 Turk_Northwest
5.90441360 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.13877838 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
7.09532945 Turk_Southwest
8.39847605 Turk_Central_West
9.76371855 Turk_South
11.00287235 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.08228767 Turk_Central_East
12.70753320 Turk_Southeast
12.75241938 Greek_Lemnos
12.84647033 Greek_Crete
13.00059999 Kabardin
13.35502153 Greek_Izmir
13.40755384 Greek_Fournoi
13.60672995 Turk_Trakya
13.84506049 Greek_Foca
14.21526996 Azerbaijani
14.41903603 Italian_Apulia
14.46977885 Kumyk
14.60551266 Abazin
14.73037338 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.11289185 Greek_Kos
15.29967974 Turk_Cyprus
15.30493385 Moldovan_Jewish
15.47102776 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Turk_KocaeliYorük
Distance: 3.3828% / 3.38281849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
48.6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain


High NE:thumb001: but her/his east eurasian looks low for Yoruks :confused:

[Kyp]

High NE:thumb001: but her/his east eurasian looks low for Yoruks :confused:

I think the Kocaeli side probably has high European but lower East Eurasian.

[Leto]

Palestinians (Muslim women)

Gedrosia 8.53 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Northwest_African 6.74 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.43 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 6.64 Pct
Southwest_Asian 24.93 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 32.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan 3.49 Pct

Distance to: Fatima
6.16120930 Jordanian_Muslim
6.53803487 Palestinian
6.87480589 Egyptian
10.07552480 Syrian_Muslim
10.68712777 Lebanese_Muslim
11.69610191 Jordanian_Christian
11.91570812 Syrian_SW_Christian
12.02454157 Coptic
12.36518095 Palestinian_Christian
13.44484660 Iraqi_Arab

Target: Fatima
Distance: 2.5470% / 2.54698298 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.8 Jordanian_Muslim
36.4 Egyptian
7.7 Sardinian
4.1 Bedouin


Gedrosia 9.89 Pct
Siberian 1.6 Pct
Northwest_African 5.79 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.04 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 1.44 Pct
East_African 5.42 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.25 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 37.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.66 Pct

Distance to: Yasmine
3.74358117 Jordanian_Muslim
3.89520218 Palestinian
5.78175579 Syrian_Muslim
7.14009804 Lebanese_Muslim
7.74437215 Jordanian_Christian
7.75523049 Syrian_SW_Christian
8.16896566 Palestinian_Christian
9.80471315 Lebanese_Christian
9.87610247 Iraqi_Arab
10.60712289 Egyptian

Target: Yasmine
Distance: 2.3616% / 2.36155615 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.4 Jordanian_Muslim
28.6 Kurdish_Jew
27.0 Coptic

[Sterling Archer]

A Lak with roots from Gazi Kumukh, Dagestan. Picture (don't quote): https://imgur.com/F1mAEJN

Gedrosia 24.05 Pct
Siberian 2.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.45 Pct
North_European 23.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.88 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.54 Pct
East_Asian 0.38 Pct
Caucasus 38.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Magomed
3.54443225 Lak
4.27560522 Lezgin
4.93948378 Tabasaran
4.98558923 Kaitag_Dagestan
5.01140699 Avar
5.19386176 Chechen
5.22971319 Kubachi_Dagestan
5.73996516 Kumyk
6.67820335 Dargin
7.99165815 Ingush
9.58469092 Kabardin
10.00101995 Balkar
10.37935451 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.79413267 Karachay
10.88906332 Abazin
11.25838354 Circassian
11.66128638 Adyghe
12.68782487 Ossetian
15.70832263 Ossetian_South
17.19315561 Azerbaijani
17.51545032 Azerbaijani_Turkey
17.68097000 Azerbaijani_Iran
17.86961387 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
18.13957001 Iranian_Khorasan
18.44940107 Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Leto]

The Lak results are very interesting!


A Palestinian American author
https://facebook.com/AuthorLeilaKirkconnell?tsid=0.51920790366352&source=result

Gedrosia 8.67 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
Northwest_African 4.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.08 Pct
North_European 5.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.71 Pct
Southwest_Asian 22.04 Pct
East_Asian 0.38 Pct
Caucasus 38.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: LeilaK
6.94064118 Greek_Cypriot
7.15051047 Turk_Cyprus
7.61373758 Nusayri_Turkey
7.83257301 Lebanese_Christian
7.89236340 Palestinian_Christian
8.01570334 Jordanian_Christian
8.35814573 Syrian_SW_Christian
8.49232595 Lebanese_Muslim
8.92745204 Palestinian
9.98427764 Greek_Rhodes

Target: LeilaK
Distance: 1.9786% / 1.97861335 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.2 Palestinian_Christian
39.7 Italian_Jews
11.1 Palestinian
3.0 Turk_Cyprus

Looks like she has some European ancestry.

[Kyp]

Leto will like:

Syrian Kurd from the same tribe of the other Syrian Kurd with high NE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fwan_(tribe)

Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67
South Asian: 2.14
East_African: 0.22
SW_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 1.86
Caucasus: 35.36
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Syrian_Kurd
6.59665824 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.70196240 Azerbaijani
7.77931874 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.32583930 Turk_Southeast
8.39402764 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.35580034 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.89650443 Turk_South
10.22015655 Yazidi_Kurd
10.45696897 Zaza_Kurd
10.46139092 Turk_Central_East
10.49549427 Turk_Central_West
10.50460375 Kurd_Sorani
10.85695630 Iranian_Khorasan
10.94284698 Turkmen_Iraq
11.09584156 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.32789919 Kumyk
11.34820250 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.62978504 Turk_Southwest
11.70110679 Iranian_Fars
11.84419689 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.27401727 Iranian_Kerman
12.57381008 Turk_Northwest
12.59396284 Udi
12.99192826 Kurd_Feyli
13.10694091 Lezgin

Target: Syrian_Kurd
Distance: 2.9945% / 2.99453429 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.8 Azerbaijani
10.6 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
10.2 Tabasaran
7.4 Pomak_Greece

[Sterling Archer]

Leto will like:
[B]


Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67

How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

[Leto]

How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

Some interesting 2 way results:
Distance to: syrian
3.12522967 51.20% Dargin + 48.80% Syrian_Muslim
3.31274110 36.40% Jordanian_Muslim + 63.60% Lezgin
3.34351657 53.60% Avar + 46.40% Syrian_Muslim
3.37960420 63.00% Lezgin + 37.00% Palestinian
3.38929324 45.40% Syrian_Muslim + 54.60% Tabasaran
3.40497248 59.60% Lezgin + 40.40% Syrian_Muslim
Yep, that looks like recent European ancestry to me.

[Kyp]

How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

Some interesting 2 way results:
Distance to: syrian
3.12522967 51.20% Dargin + 48.80% Syrian_Muslim
3.31274110 36.40% Jordanian_Muslim + 63.60% Lezgin
3.34351657 53.60% Avar + 46.40% Syrian_Muslim
3.37960420 63.00% Lezgin + 37.00% Palestinian
3.38929324 45.40% Syrian_Muslim + 54.60% Tabasaran
3.40497248 59.60% Lezgin + 40.40% Syrian_Muslim


this is the result I forgot East African:

Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67
South Asian: 2.14
East_African: 0.22
SW_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 1.86
Caucasus: 35.36
SSA: 0.00


the calculator just picks Azerbaijani-Dagestan if the northeuro is higher. This is a common effect I noticed on all Iranian results with higher north_euro. It doesnt mean the person has Dagestani ancestry (although it still could be a possibility for some.)

[Leto]

The other Kurd you mentioned is the one from the West Asian study? How do you know his tribe? He wasn't even labeled a Kurd, we just guessed it because the dataset is from Syria. Unlike this new one that one was clearly unmixed.

[Sterling Archer]

this is the result I forgot East African:



the calculator just picks Azerbaijani-Dagestan if the northeuro is higher. This is a common effect I noticed on all Iranian results with higher north_euro. It doesnt mean the person has Dagestani ancestry (although it still could be a possibility for some.)

Yeah, I understand that due to the high NE the calculator picks Dagestan, and that it does not necessarily mean much. But it does indicate that it is an anomaly. In this case NE is just too pronounced for the region that this person is from.

I deleted the previous 2Way as it was incorrect due to East Africa. After fixing it, North European thing becomes even more noticeable. This is what I get now. Maybe north European great grandparent or again, some form of Dagestani:

Distance to: kurd_syria
1.64640148 12.20% Finnish_East + 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.71959094 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% Russian_Northern_Dvina
1.72801736 87.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.80% Veps
1.76082052 85.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.80% Mordovian
1.77341701 12.60% Karelian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81305844 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.20% Latvian
1.82015625 86.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.83019859 85.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.40% Russian_Ural
1.87813428 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% North_Russian
1.91394854 86.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.80% Russian_Tver
1.94805156 87.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.01451379 12.60% Estonian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.04166410 12.60% Finnish_West + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.05586150 85.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.60% Russian_Ryazan

[Kyp]

The other Kurd you mentioned is the one from the West Asian study? How do you know his tribe? He wasn't even labeled a Kurd, we just guessed it because the dataset is from Syria. Unlike this new one that one was clearly unmixed.

Someone from a kurdish site mentioned that prior kurdish NE-record (of their group) was from the same tribe. I assumed it was that result. But you are right it probably isn't then.

According to the person he is 100% Kurdish.

[Zoro]

Yeah, I understand that due to the high NE the calculator picks Dagestan, and that it does not necessarily mean much. But it does indicate that it is an anomaly. In this case NE is just too pronounced for the region that this person is from.

I deleted the previous 2Way as it was incorrect due to East Africa. After fixing it, North European thing becomes even more noticeable. This is what I get now. Maybe north European great grandparent or again, some form of Dagestani:

Distance to: kurd_syria
1.64640148 12.20% Finnish_East + 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.71959094 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% Russian_Northern_Dvina
1.72801736 87.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.80% Veps
1.76082052 85.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.80% Mordovian
1.77341701 12.60% Karelian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81305844 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.20% Latvian
1.82015625 86.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.83019859 85.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.40% Russian_Ural
1.87813428 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% North_Russian
1.91394854 86.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.80% Russian_Tver
1.94805156 87.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.01451379 12.60% Estonian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.04166410 12.60% Finnish_West + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.05586150 85.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.60% Russian_Ryazan



It has nothing to do with a Dagestani ancestry. There’s quite a bit of variation in kurds as you will find out when you start seeing alot of kurd results.

For example this 100% kurd from Iraq whose parents and grandparents are very well known to me from the Balata tribe has this result. It has nothing to do with a NE European recent ancestor. They’ll laugh at you if you even suggest it

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.15
2 Gedrosia 24.54
3 Southwest_Asian 14.38
4 North_European 9.81
5 Atlantic_Med 5.98
6 South_Asian 2.82
7 Northwest_African 1.51
8 Southeast_Asian 1.27
9 East_Asian 0.65
10 Siberian 0.56
11 Sub_Saharan 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.18
2 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 6.24
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.37
4 Iranians (Behar) 8.15
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.12
6 Turks (Behar) 13.17
7 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.37
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 15.42
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 16.25
10 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.57
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 16.61
12 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.88
13 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.19
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.78
15 Lebanese (Behar) 18.04
16 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.15
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 19.06
18 Syrians (Behar) 19.91
19 Lezgins (Behar) 20.57
20 Druze (HGDP) 22.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 27.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.05
2 91.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 8.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.23
3 92.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.6% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.31
4 92.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.33
5 92.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.8% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.34
6 93% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.34
7 92.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.35
8 93.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.4
9 92.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.5
10 93.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.53
11 88.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.53
12 92.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.54
13 93.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.55
14 87.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 12.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.57
15 90.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 9.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.65
16 88.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.68
17 93.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.74
18 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.74
19 93.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.75
20 92.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.84

[Sterling Archer]

@Zoro Yeah, outliers are to be expected, especially for such a large ethnic group. The person Kyp posted is probably one of them.

I thought about Dagestanis mainly because I remembered the article Ratcat (RIP:() posted about lezgin and chechen who moved to that area and assimilated into the local population.

[Sterling Archer]

Btw, where the hell is Ratcat? Why was he banned? He is always so civil.

[Leto]

Btw, where the hell is Ratcat? Why was he banned? He is always so civil.
He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

[Dr_Maul]

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

an incident, which if I am not mistaken, was completely fabricated.

[Sterling Archer]

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).
Do you know whether the ban is permanent?

[Leto]

Do you know whether the ban is permanent?
I think it is but he can always return with a new account, that's not uncommon on this forum.

[Leto]

A Armenian with some European ancestry

J-ZS1282
HV1b

Gedrosia 15.4 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.9 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.78 Pct
North_European 13.21 Pct
South_Asian 0.34 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.74 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 40.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Marat
7.81136352 Turk_Central_East
8.04475606 Turk_Central_West
8.17268622 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.65785173 Turk_Southeast
9.84541010 Turk_East
10.02729774 Turk_South
10.19892641 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.77137410 Greek_Crete
10.83275588 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.85494357 Turk_Southwest

Target: Marat
Distance: 1.5612% / 1.56118275 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.3 Greek_Izmir
36.2 Udi
12.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
3.8 Chechen
1.4 Cambodians

Target: Marat
Distance: 2.4353% / 2.43534691 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.1 Greek_Crete
32.4 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
18.5 Turk_East

Target: Marat
Distance: 0.9339% / 0.93394161 | R3P
80.0 Armenian_East
17.8 Irish
2.2 Cambodians

[Mejgusu]

Leto will like:

Syrian Kurd from the same tribe of the other Syrian Kurd with high NE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fwan_(tribe)

Target: Syrian_Kurd
Distance: 2.9945% / 2.99453429 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.8 Azerbaijani
10.6 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
10.2 Tabasaran
7.4 Pomak_Greece

This tribe indeed very interesting, I often said here that I would really like to see some Risvan results. Many, maybe most Central Anatolian Kurds, who were settled in 19th century, are belonging to Risvan tribe. I know this tribe from old narratives of Central Anatolian Turkmens, who were deported to Syrian desert and the Risvan tribe tried to help them. If I am not wrong i posted here A Risvani from Aksaray with roots from SE-Anatolia, but he was just a regular Kurd genetically and not highly Euro influenced.

[Altaylı]

Ankara/Çubuk

Gedrosia 14.35 Pct
Siberian 5.79 Pct
Northwest_African 0.39 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.68 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
North_European 14.31 Pct
South_Asian 2.01 Pct
East_African 0.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.20 Pct
East_Asian 2.09 Pct
Caucasus 34.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.12 Pct

Target: Test
Distance: 1.9110% / 1.91098410 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.2 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.5 Turkmen_Iraq
8.1 Kaitag_Dagestan
6.4 Kuwait1
5.8 Udmurt
1.0 Cambodians

Distance to: Test
5.09127685 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.47418487 Turk_Southwest
5.71490157 Turk_Northwest
5.78223140 Turk_Central_West
6.14017915 Turk_South
7.96028266 Turk_Central_East
8.09229263 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.49952940 Turk_Southeast
10.08376418 Azerbaijani
10.70500817 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.77198682 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.77495648 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.56635588 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.07677330 Kabardin
14.00087497 Kumyk
14.00611295 Turk_East
14.26564404 Abazin
14.38197831 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48916147 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.74221150 Greek_Crete
14.74744046 Turk_Cyprus
15.23733573 Zaza_Kurd
15.40504138 Circassian
15.65652899 Udi
15.66822581 Greek_Fournoi

Turkicnesss
Target: Test
Distance: 3.3470% / 3.34695083
34.4 Assyrian_South
25.0 Greek_Macedonia
21.2 Armenian_East
19.4 DA87_Kimak

[Leto]

#2

Gedrosia 30.07 Pct
Siberian 4.72 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.58 Pct
North_European 23.08 Pct
South_Asian 11.82 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.63 Pct
East_Asian 3.04 Pct
Caucasus 18.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Distance to: Sino
3.38786068 Pamiri_Shughnan
4.03306335 Pamiri_Rushan
4.56221437 Pamiri_Ishkashim
6.87020378 Tajik_Lowland
8.23366261 Yagnobi
9.20174983 Tajik_Mountain
11.43022309 Pashtun_Kandahar
12.92873930 Tajik_Herat
13.47603799 Tajik_Kabul
14.62025308 Kho
14.74557222 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
15.32847024 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
15.58764254 Pashtun_Tarkalani
17.62356093 Kalash
17.88626568 Pashtun_Yusafzai
18.04147721 Turkmen_TM
18.39466771 Nuristani
19.50714228 Haryana_Ror
19.90325350 Turkmen_Iran
20.97104432 Tabasaran

Target: Sino
Distance: 1.4128% / 1.41282123 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.5 Pamiri_Shughnan
18.0 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.7 Tajik_Lowland
8.8 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Sino
Distance: 2.5395% / 2.53953404 | ADC: 1x RC
50.7 Pamiri_Shughnan
26.7 Pamiri_Ishkashim
22.6 Tajik_Lowland

Photos of the guy. He is actually Shughnani (stated knowledge of the Shughnani language) and currently lives in Kansas. Looks like an Anatolian Turk to me.
Link 1 (https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/106206580_10158384180732071_8499754267661226888_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=13bebb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeGjwLqH_nfWfoIFkbhXzBxaFEStlknT494URK2WS dPj3roWiyInHvrmggpX8okOTwOQ-BDsXf8GRh5Oi4S2zdqB&_nc_ohc=TjTsmVQvDoUAX_3fQxX&_nc_oc=AQmAcAjZAl7-UUwyBtUJRlhTSNOHWq8wnNxzj32zovLCl6laDfihPKRmOpZqmo 0U0kQ&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=1a1e039e264fc01dc2b65fe0e5956f30&oe=60A1152D)
Link 2 (https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13230147_10154128078677071_925741172671735655_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=13bebb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeFhz77UCF9IE2a-VXCKopsy2Ti3U8RK9HXZOLdTxEr0dZAVCkjD6BYOxZJZ5gKCRg YZlzZ0kiyj5EbQYhGZym11&_nc_ohc=bQ1HB4vLXKMAX8CiVzO&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=3d5e3295cbe7aa7a7c6c051d5b3b73e7&oe=60A0EFB4)

And a bonus - no DNA results but this is a Pamiri woman, born and living in Khorugh
Link (https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/165758772_5322862647787304_1693937909399151094_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=85a577&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeH8hXWmojAGFjb5Cc9YJMqeiNAa3Sz-e46I0BrdLP57jnKHM8YensiLwnBTjFLq9pFoXJhffaQ1WCz_Og 8ZYO50&_nc_ohc=gb3URhrJrT0AX98UKZv&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=47398199aa711c07d9388728830d2ef7&oe=609FB95A)

[Leto]

Apparently a Zaza/Kurd from Turkey

L-M2481
R2

Gedrosia 22.19 Pct
Siberian 0.59 Pct
Northwest_African 1.92 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.31 Pct
North_European 6.35 Pct
South_Asian 1.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.49 Pct
East_Asian 0.06 Pct
Caucasus 47.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Abdullah
3.73403267 Udi
6.11832493 Turk_East
6.25882577 Zaza_Kurd
7.00052141 Armenian_East
7.00703932 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.51873660 Turk_Ahiska
8.37412085 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.84057125 Armenian_West
8.86440635 Azeri_Jew
9.28282285 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Distance to: Abdullah
1.78981955 38.20% Hemshin + 61.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
1.84538004 40.60% Iranian_Lur + 59.40% Turk_Ahiska
1.89071739 42.80% Kurd_Feyli + 57.20% Turk_Ahiska
1.94114252 39.60% Georgian_Adjara + 60.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.94171994 44.40% Georgian_Adjara + 55.60% Kurd_Sorani
1.94766690 54.60% Kurd_Feyli + 45.40% Laz
1.96816709 41.60% Georgian_Imereti + 58.40% Kurd_Sorani
1.97518709 47.00% Hemshin + 53.00% Kurd_Feyli
1.98863899 42.20% Kurd_Sorani + 57.80% Turk_Ahiska
2.00554242 32.40% Georgian_Adjara + 67.60% Zaza_Kurd

Target: Abdullah
Distance: 0.8793% / 0.87934032 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.5 Turk_Ahiska
35.1 Kurd_Feyli
10.8 Azeri_Jew
1.6 Algerian

[Leto]

Giresun Turk
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/munmzt/why_are_my_results_so_different/

Gedrosia 15.75 Pct
Siberian 6.92 Pct
Northwest_African 0.58 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.19 Pct
North_European 11.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.38 Pct
East_Asian 11.33 Pct
Caucasus 35.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: munmzt
7.67535015 Turk_Southwest
7.88562616 Turk_South
8.47073196 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.88713677 Turk_Northwest
9.41300696 Turk_Central_West
9.70194826 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.71907645 Turk_Central_East
11.37491538 Turk_Southeast
11.78594078 Azerbaijani
12.15545968 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Distance to: munmzt
3.20093631 60.60% Armenian_East + 39.40% Nogai_Stavropol
3.23260374 30.80% Nogai_Astrakhan + 69.20% Turk_East
3.24866191 32.80% Nogai_Astrakhan + 67.20% Udi
3.25495935 62.40% Armenian_East + 37.60% Karakalpak
3.27899756 33.60% Nogai_Stavropol + 66.40% Turk_East
3.34443216 63.60% Armenian_East + 36.40% Nogai_Astrakhan
3.47576361 81.20% Turk_Central_Black_Sea + 18.80% Uyghur
3.48245194 32.00% Karakalpak + 68.00% Turk_East
3.65974806 28.40% Kazakh + 71.60% Turk_East
3.67529381 35.60% Nogai_Stavropol + 64.40% Udi

Target: munmzt
Distance: 2.5390% / 2.53898074 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.1 Turk_South
15.7 Nogai
11.9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.9 Turkmen_Iran
4.4 Japanese
1.0 Nivh

[Mejgusu]

Apparently a Zaza/Kurd from Turkey

Looks for me like an Eastern Turk+Kurd mix, it is too Transcaucasian for a regular Zaza/Kurd. Probably from Erzurum, this city has some mixed areas.

[Dr_Maul]

Giresun Turk
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/munmzt/why_are_my_results_so_different/


Tbh I think he has central asian admix

[Kaspias]

Tbh I think he has central asian admix

No, it's literally cringing people on that Reddit page are trying to convince her that she has a Central Asian grandparent. They seem to understand(finally) that Anatolian includes Central Asian admixture as well, but could not figure out the working method of the algorithm. It has around 300 samples, let's say, and models you with the one that gives you the closest fit -which is random most of the time, as in Gedmatch and Vahaduo.- At that stage, assume that you actually have 15% East Eurasian but the algorithm modeled you with a 5% Eurasian Turkish sample, then the rest will be balanced with Central Asian scores. Due to the inner-changeability nature of the algorithm, all these 23andme admixture results have no standard and depend on the individual's specific admixture. In this sense, it is totally worthless except for the Western Europeans(have a better coverage) who are interested in broader admixture results, such as an American is looking for his British ancestor. And in fact, that's why 23andme is created.

Besides, her Gedmatch results are actually pretty much typical for Giresun.

[Leto]

A Kazakh from China (Chinese account, probably WeGene raw data)

Gedrosia 7.47 Pct
Siberian 23.48 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 4.9 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.36 Pct
North_European 15.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.93 Pct
Southwest_Asian 0.13 Pct
East_Asian 32.16 Pct
Caucasus 7.88 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.49 Pct

Distance to: KAZ_China
3.98195932 Kazakh
6.46510634 Nogai_Astrakhan
6.65400631 Kyrgyz_Pamir
7.32744157 Kyrgyz
7.36488968 Karakalpak
8.74128137 Nogai_Stavropol
14.44196316 Tubalar
14.76578139 Uyghur
15.13798203 Altaian_Telengit
16.53500227 Khakass

Target: KAZ_China
Distance: 1.2182% / 1.21817652 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.3 Kazakh
17.0 Nogai_Astrakhan
5.1 Han_central
2.6 French_Southwest
1.0 Sandawe_He

Target: KAZ_China
Distance: 1.7984% / 1.79843153 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.1 Kazakh
36.9 Nogai_Astrakhan
5.0 She

[Kaspias]

Matches of I, father, and paternal cousin. We match with these through my paternal grandmother's mother who is from Komotini, and from a village which is noted to has origins from Aydınoğlu and Menteşe. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Beylicats_d%25u2019Anatolie_vers_1330-en.svg)


All samples are from Muğla and from the same village. He speculated that they might belong to Kınık Tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%B1n%C4%B1k_(tribe)).


Population
Gedrosia 13.07 Pct
Siberian 6.86 Pct
Northwest_African 2.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.8 Pct
North_European 10.57 Pct
South_Asian 2.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.02 Pct
East_Asian 6.96 Pct
Caucasus 36.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Nurdan
3.57056018 Turk_Southwest
5.21370310 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.41910509 Turk_Northwest
5.56893167 Turk_Central_West
5.65816225 Turk_South
5.81203923 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.73248343 Turk_Central_East
10.12473210 Turk_Southeast
11.60571842 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.82271965 Azerbaijani
12.36240268 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.39167652 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.36382957 Kabardin
14.50366161 Turk_East
14.63819661 Turk_Cyprus
14.99807321 Abazin
15.30024510 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.50713384 Greek_Crete
15.88029912 Circassian
15.88772797 Greek_Fournoi
15.98448310 Greek_Kos
16.36036980 Kumyk
16.42428689 Greek_Rhodes
16.64994895 Karachay
16.66753131 Turkmen_Iran



Population
Gedrosia 14.12 Pct
Siberian 7.99 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.18 Pct
North_European 8.86 Pct
South_Asian 0.76 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.68 Pct
East_Asian 6.95 Pct
Caucasus 37.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Orcun
5.22675808 Turk_Southwest
5.43316666 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
5.95015126 Turk_Central_West
6.14852015 Turk_South
6.34350061 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.32363298 Turk_Northwest
7.48573310 Turk_Central_East
9.96923768 Turk_Southeast
11.37998243 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.85855809 Azerbaijani
13.34734056 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.80271350 Turk_East
14.15230370 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.42439253 Turk_Cyprus
15.68789023 Kabardin
15.83412138 Greek_Kos
15.84550725 Greek_Crete
15.88824723 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.09482215 Abazin
16.09729480 Greek_Rhodes
16.28116089 Udi
16.35971271 Greek_Cappadocia
16.40103655 Greek_Fournoi
16.40811689 Kurd_Kurmanji
16.63437405 Turkmen_Iraq




Population
Gedrosia 15.82 Pct
Siberian 6.57 Pct
Northwest_African 0.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.66 Pct
North_European 10.05 Pct
South_Asian 0.74 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.93 Pct
East_Asian 6.68 Pct
Caucasus 34.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ozan
4.67662271 Turk_Southwest
5.93086840 Turk_Northwest
6.27287813 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.38848182 Turk_Central_West
7.12908830 Turk_South
7.86874196 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.85841972 Turk_Central_East
10.18726165 Turk_Southeast
11.85263684 Azerbaijani
12.05393712 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.50673019 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.50314408 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.07603728 Turk_Cyprus
15.22978989 Greek_Crete
15.52716008 Turk_East
15.63879151 Greek_Fournoi
15.65444346 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.71792607 Greek_Kos
15.99019387 Greek_Lemnos
16.19427985 Greek_Rhodes
16.32557197 Kurd_Kurmanji
16.43550121 Kabardin
16.46940497 Greek_Izmir
16.61672350 Turkmen_Iran
16.77248342 Turkmen_Iraq

[Sterling Archer]

My Y-DNA result is ready. I am J-Y11200 (Dr_Maul will be happy:)):
https://i.imgur.com/NAkGX3x.png

[Leto]

My Y-DNA result is ready. I am J-Y11200 (Dr_Maul will be happy:)):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NAkGX3x.png
Is that under J2a?

[Sterling Archer]

Is that under J2a?
Yes, it is under J2a.

[Leto]

Matches of I, father, and paternal cousin. We match with these through my paternal grandmother's mother who is from Komotini, and from a village which is noted to has origins from Aydınoğlu and Menteşe. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Beylicats_d%25u2019Anatolie_vers_1330-en.svg)


All samples are from Muğla and from the same village. He speculated that they might belong to Kınık Tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%B1n%C4%B1k_(tribe)).

One of them is almost 15% Mongoloid, the other two are 13+ percent. So they might be as much as 1/3 Oghuz.

[Kyp]

Another Udi from Azerbaijan:

Gedrosia: 20.32
Siberian: 0.38
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 10.57
North_European: 8.93
South Asian: 0.74
East_African: 0.43
SW_Asian: 11.41
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 47.02
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Udi_Azerbaijan5
2.44511758 Udi
3.74717227 Turk_East
5.55313425 Armenian_East
7.15789075 Turk_Ahiska
8.38219542 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.52215348 Armenian_West
9.11092750 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.31911476 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.67189227 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.83419544 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.94733130 Azerbaijani
9.99778976 Turk_Central_East
10.22758525 Azeri_Jew
10.35645210 Assyrian_North
10.57577893 Turk_Southeast
10.69972430 Assyrian_West
10.86718915 Assyrian_South
10.95233308 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.96621630 Greek_Pontus
11.14305165 Hemshin
11.36686852 Yazidi_Kurd
11.72664061 Laz
11.86373466 Turkmen_Iraq
12.16535655 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.27350806 Adyghe

Target: Udi_Azerbaijan5
Distance: 1.1333% / 1.13334596 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.2 Udi
12.3 Greek_Cappadocia
9.4 Turk_Ahiska
7.1 Adyghe


From North-Ossetia:

Gedrosia: 19.88
Siberian: 4.45
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.43
Atlantic_Med: 4.92
North_European: 14.01
South Asian: 0.26
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 5.47
East_Asian: 1.77
Caucasus: 48.80
SSA: 0.00


Distance to: north-ossetian
4.21734514 Ossetian
4.39671468 Adyghe
4.48714831 Ossetian_South
6.46574048 Karachay
6.90630871 Circassian
6.99344693 Ingush
7.66910686 Abazin
7.75873057 Abkhazian
7.90835634 Balkar
9.76756879 Kabardin
9.80640097 Turk_Ahiska
10.08267326 Chechen
10.56930934 Georgian
10.69267506 Kumyk
10.83561258 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.12128140 Udi
11.13421304 Georgian_Svan
11.65309401 Georgian_Gurian
11.87624520 Turk_East
12.86798741 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.26758456 Georgian_Imereti
13.71643175 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.84196157 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.86251060 Armenian_East
14.26668847 Azerbaijani_Iran

Target: north-ossetian
Distance: 1.9906% / 1.99059516 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.1 Ossetian_South
38.8 Ossetian
11.9 Udi
9.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Dr_Maul]

My Y-DNA result is ready. I am J-Y11200 (Dr_Maul will be happy:)):
https://i.imgur.com/NAkGX3x.png


Your a lucky man indeed. Welcome to the overlord's club, cousin

[Altaylı]

One of them is almost 15% Mongoloid, the other two are 13+ percent. So they might be as much as 1/3 Oghuz.

yes

Target: Nurdan
Distance: 3.2195% / 3.21948870
36.0 Greek_Icaria
28.6 KAZ_Kimak
26.7 Georgian_Adjara
8.6 Greek_Cypriot
0.1 Georgian_Mingrelian

Target: Orcun
Distance: 3.5344% / 3.53435784
47.8 Greek_Cappadocia
27.5 KAZ_Kimak
12.4 Georgian_Adjara
12.3 Greek_Icaria

Target: Ozan
Distance: 3.8006% / 3.80064861
61.7 Greek_Cappadocia
28.8 KAZ_Kimak
9.3 Greek_Lemnos
0.2 Georgian_Adjara

[Sora]

Afro-Turk(most probably half. Because s/he shared his/her Afro-Turk mom's 23andme results and she was only 8% SSA)

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/myqdon/dnagenics_vs_23andme_turkish_results/

Gedrosia: 13.09
Siberian: 6.18
NW_African: 1.1
SE_Asian: 0
Atlantic_Med: 10.63
North_European: 14.94
South_Asian: 0.69
East_African: 2.72
SW_Asian: 8.04
East_Asian: 3.99
Caucasus: 37.25
Sub_Saharan: 1.17

Distance to: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
6.03975165 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.17002431 Turk_Southwest
6.49219531 Turk_Northwest
7.09585090 Turk_South
7.24940687 Turk_Central_West
7.64612974 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.76163227 Turk_Central_East
9.87146899 Kabardin
10.41000961 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.74052606 Turk_Southeast
10.86660481 Abazin
11.75243804 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.77509236 Azerbaijani
11.84343700 Kumyk
11.89455338 Circassian
12.62187783 Balkar
12.66870554 Karachay
12.67409168 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.33890175 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.87759345 Adyghe
14.30143000 Turk_East
14.52569448 Ingush
14.76783329 Ossetian
15.27998037 Nogai
15.64989457 Chechen

Target: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
Distance: 1.1354% / 1.13536619 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.2 Circassian
30.9 Turk_West_BlackSea
23.4 Turk_Northwest
3.8 Ethiopian
2.0 Dolgan
1.7 Sandawe_He

[Leto]

Afro-Turk(most probably half. Because s/he shared his/her Afro-Turk mom's 23andme results and she was only 8% SSA)

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/myqdon/dnagenics_vs_23andme_turkish_results/

Gedrosia: 13.09
Siberian: 6.18
NW_African: 1.1
SE_Asian: 0
Atlantic_Med: 10.63
North_European: 14.94
South_Asian: 0.69
East_African: 2.72
SW_Asian: 8.04
East_Asian: 3.99
Caucasus: 37.25
Sub_Saharan: 1.17

Distance to: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
6.03975165 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.17002431 Turk_Southwest
6.49219531 Turk_Northwest
7.09585090 Turk_South
7.24940687 Turk_Central_West
7.64612974 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.76163227 Turk_Central_East
9.87146899 Kabardin
10.41000961 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.74052606 Turk_Southeast
10.86660481 Abazin
11.75243804 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.77509236 Azerbaijani
11.84343700 Kumyk
11.89455338 Circassian
12.62187783 Balkar
12.66870554 Karachay
12.67409168 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.33890175 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.87759345 Adyghe
14.30143000 Turk_East
14.52569448 Ingush
14.76783329 Ossetian
15.27998037 Nogai
15.64989457 Chechen

Target: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
Distance: 1.1354% / 1.13536619 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.2 Circassian
30.9 Turk_West_BlackSea
23.4 Turk_Northwest
3.8 Ethiopian
2.0 Dolgan
1.7 Sandawe_He
4% African doesn't make him an "Afro-Turk", that's ludicrous. In the Middle East probably most Arabs have as much and sometimes more than that. Some Iranians do too.

[Leto]

Some kits, I'll prolly add the oracles later on. You are welcome to do it too :)

Some Iranian, I guess Eastern

Gedrosia 30.53 Pct
Siberian 1.19 Pct
Northwest_African 0.65 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.34 Pct
North_European 9.49 Pct
South_Asian 5.2 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.18 Pct
East_Asian 3.57 Pct
Caucasus 33.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.47 Pct

This might be a Talysh or a Talysh/Azeri mix. He has a Persian-style -zade surname

Gedrosia 25.5 Pct
Siberian 1.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.57 Pct
North_European 7.14 Pct
South_Asian 4.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.75 Pct
East_Asian 1.51 Pct
Caucasus 35.67 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

May be a Zaza Kurd

Gedrosia 25.43 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.18 Pct
North_European 4.61 Pct
South_Asian 3.56 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.21 Pct
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Caucasus 43.53 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Some type of Kurd

Gedrosia 23.84 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.38 Pct
North_European 9.16 Pct
South_Asian 3.18 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.68 Pct
East_Asian 0.65 Pct
Caucasus 37.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Mejgusu]

Some kits, I'll prolly add the oracles later on. You are welcome to do it too :)

...

I know some Zazas can be modeled as half Zaza/half Armenian but sometimes there are samples which are very interesting. Third one is a bit Transcaucasian shifted but still has a lot of Gedrosia/South Asia which is an indication for Iranic shift. But this person has very low European. I mean I never saw a Zaza more than 40% Caucasian.

[Kyp]

Iranian from Alborz:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/IranAlborz-SVG.svg/1024px-IranAlborz-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosia: 24.09
Siberian: 1.91
NW_African: 1.40
SE_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 5.29
North_European: 8.27
South Asian: 5.94
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 13.37
East_Asian: 0.53
Caucasus: 38.72
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iran_alborz
4.24083718 Iran_Central
4.68202947 Kurd_Sorani
5.01151674 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.09020628 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.36367411 Yazidi_Kurd
5.38774535 Kurd_Feyli
5.58673429 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.70910676 Turkmen_Iraq
5.90583610 Iranian_Fars
6.24081725 Iranian_Lur
7.00310645 Azerbaijani
7.67974609 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.52555570 Iranian_Kerman
9.01809847 Iranian_Khorasan
9.26001620 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.64507128 Turk_Southeast
10.29066081 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.51069931 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.27420951 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.83601284 Turk_East
12.66977900 Turk_Central_East
13.12563141 Turk_South
13.88644303 Arab_Iran
13.91059668 Mandean
14.23446522 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Iran_alborz
Distance: 1.0840% / 1.08404306 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.1 Kurd_Feyli
33.6 Turkmen_Iraq
16.9 Chechen
3.4 Nihali

[Leto]

I know some Zazas can be modeled as half Zaza/half Armenian but sometimes there are samples which are very interesting. Third one is a bit Transcaucasian shifted but still has a lot of Gedrosia/South Asia which is an indication for Iranic shift. But this person has very low European. I mean I never saw a Zaza more than 40% Caucasian.
Zaza average (deleted because of some idiots). N=17


Zaza,23.89,0.95,0.65,0.24,8.58,7.08,2.11,0.18,13.6 3,0.68,41.98,0.02

Basically 42% Caucasus.

[Altaylı]

First time i am seeing this result i found this result from an another gedmatch spreadsheet as a 8th Şereflikoçhisar result i thought there are only 7 result from my hometown

8th result from my hometown:

Gedrosia: 17.29
Siberian: 6.01
NW_African: 0.68
SE_Asian: 0.86
Atlantic_Med: 11.65
North_European: 8.28
South Asian: 0.62
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.72
East_Asian: 3.92
Caucasus: 38.98
SSA: 0.00

Target: Test
Distance: 1.2856% / 1.28564251 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Turk_Central_East
26.5 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
16.3 Yazidi_Kurd
3.8 Mandean
2.7 Yukagir

Turkicness:

Target: Test
Distance: 1.2142% / 1.21419683 | R3P
54.5 Armenian_West
23.8 DA87_Kimak
21.7 Greek_Cappadocia

Fits very well lol

[Sora]

A Russian adoptee girl from US

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/lqcra0/my_23me_results_i_was_adopted/

Gedrosia: 14.61
Siberian: 11.01
NW_African: 0
SE_Asian: 4.51
Atlantic_Med: 9.89
North_European: 35.36
South_Asian: 3.43
East_African: 0
SW_Asian: 2.82
East_Asian: 8.22
Caucasus: 9.98
SSA: 0.16

Distance to: NadiaKharlamova
11.24644833 Bashkir_Central
11.46265240 Lipka_Tatar
11.63734506 Bashkir_North
11.80704451 Tatar_Kazan
13.91690339 Besermyan_Udmurtia
15.42330704 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.64927794 Tatar_Mishar
16.38402881 Chuvash
17.10809750 Udmurt
17.51215292 Bashkir_South
19.38742892 Mari
20.83692636 Komi
21.44829597 Tatar_Siberia
23.46756059 Uzbek
24.89255109 Pamiri_Rushan
24.99784191 Pamiri_Shughnan
25.05099399 Turkmen_Afghanistan
25.07426170 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
25.11391248 Turk_Deliorman
25.50944335 Tajik_Mountain
25.54149956 Moldovan_Central
25.64947758 Russian_Ural
25.67241516 Moldovan_North
25.82051510 Mordovian
25.84104294 Uzbeki

Target: NadiaKharlamova
Distance: 2.4651% / 2.46514518 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.7 Tatar_Kazan
25.4 Pamiri_Shughnan
13.7 Udmurt
8.7 Bashkir_Central
6.5 ZHUANG

[Mejgusu]

A Russian adoptee girl from US
....

Very interesting result, I think this person has more Gedrosia, SE-Asia and South Asia than a regular Tatar or Bashkir.

[Leto]

A Russian adoptee girl from US

Thanks for posting that, I remember her. There is also her Ancestry data kit on Gedmatch, it's slightly better.



nadia,13.43,10.42,0,3.53,9.52,36.22,4.7,0,2.33,9.0 1,10.75,0.06

One of the models, reduced to 3 pops:

Target: nadia
Distance: 2.1913% / 2.19132915 | R3P
50.5 Uzbek
40.3 Finnish_East
9.2 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa


Very interesting result, I think this person has more Gedrosia, SE-Asia and South Asia than a regular Tatar or Bashkir.
She is mixed race, apparently half Uzbek and half Russian. But she does look like a Volga Tatar or an "Uralic" person.

[Sora]

Very interesting result, I think this person has more Gedrosia, SE-Asia and South Asia than a regular Tatar or Bashkir.



She is mixed race, apparently half Uzbek and half Russian. But she does look like a Volga Tatar or an "Uralic" person.


I assur she is either "1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Tatar + 1/4 Russian" or "1/2 Uzbek + 1/2 something Uralic". Because she has (a bit) less European than average Uzbek+Russian mix and is more Siberian than East Asian, while Uzbeks have 2x more East Asian than Siberian. The previous Russian adoptee from US(apparently Uzbek+Russian) had more East Asian than Siberian also.

According to my same friend, Nadia stated her bio mom had Tatar & Kazakh roots beside Russian

[Mejgusu]

She is mixed race, apparently half Uzbek and half Russian. But she does look like a Volga Tatar or an "Uralic" person.


I assur she is either "1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Tatar + 1/4 Russian" or "1/2 Uzbek + 1/2 something Uralic". Because she has (a bit) less European than average Uzbek+Russian mix and is more Siberian than East Asian, while Uzbeks have 2x more East Asian than Siberian. The previous Russian adoptee from US(apparently Uzbek+Russian) had more East Asian than Siberian also.

According to my same friend, Nadia stated her bio mom had Tatar & Kazakh roots beside Russian

Is an Uyghur-Russian mix possible? This amount of SE-Asia is very atypical, the Turkic part would be around 8/9% SE-Asian which is only common among Uyghurs. Or maybe this person is partly Kazakh/Kirgiz/Mongol or maybe even Dungan?

[Leto]

I assur she is either "1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Tatar + 1/4 Russian" or "1/2 Uzbek + 1/2 something Uralic". Because she has (a bit) less European than average Uzbek+Russian mix and is more Siberian than East Asian, while Uzbeks have 2x more East Asian than Siberian. The previous Russian adoptee from US(apparently Uzbek+Russian) had more East Asian than Siberian also.

According to my same friend, Nadia stated her bio mom had Tatar & Kazakh roots beside Russian


Is an Uyghur-Russian mix possible? This amount of SE-Asia is very atypical, the Turkic part would be around 8/9% SE-Asian which is only common among Uyghurs. Or maybe this person is partly Kazakh/Kirgiz/Mongol or maybe even Dungan?
No one will know for sure. Some of the East Asian may have gone into the Southeast Asian. I've seen full Russians with 2+ percent SEA. Her total Mongoloid is normal for that type of mix, Uzbeks can be as low as 20% and as high as 50% East Eurasian. Russians can also vary from barely 2% to well over 10%, so it really depends on where her biological parents and grandparents were from. She does have a Bashkir match which I already know. I normally don't post Tatars and Bashkirs here because they're neither West nor Central Asian strictly speaking.

[Leto]

Pakistan is South Asia but adding some Pashtun type of people are okay, I guess. This one is interesting
This (https://i.pinimg.com/280x280_RS/0e/d2/18/0ed21883b3051f9a197fa43acf9bfe8a.jpg) MAY be her, not verified though

Gedrosia 38.05 Pct
Siberian 0.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.14 Pct
North_European 17.17 Pct
South_Asian 20.68 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Iqra
3.18774215 Pashtun_Tarkalani
3.95445319 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.04908903 Kho
5.08539084 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
5.58906969 Nuristani
5.60519402 Kalash
5.87029812 Pashtun_Yusafzai
6.32751926 Pashtun_Kandahar
9.79580012 Tajik_Kabul
11.32461037 Sindhi_Hindu

Target: Iqra
Distance: 1.6175% / 1.61754921 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.2 Nuristani
5.3 Kuwait2
2.9 Pashtun_Tarkalani
2.7 Latvian
1.9 Tabasaran

Target: Iqra
Distance: 2.3297% / 2.32973592 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.8 Pashtun_Tarkalani
26.8 Nuristani
6.4 Tabasaran

Her ancestry seems to have remained practically untouched by Turco-Mongols :cool:

[Sora]

Hui(Chinese Muslim) from Xinjiang/East Turkestan (apparently 1/2 Chinese + 1/4 Kazakh + 1/4 Uyghur)

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/mv97e0/my_moms_results_has_a_04_ethiopian_eritrean_trace/

Gedrosia: 7.59
Siberian: 14.64
NW_African: 0
SE_Asian: 21.28
Atlantic_Med: 1.21
North_European: 7.14
South_Asian: 0.8
East_African: 0
SW_Asian: 0
East_Asian: 44.74
Caucasus: 2.6
SSA: 0

Distance to: HuiXinjiangMom
17.78240141 Dungan
20.37882479 Nepali_Gurung
22.19826119 Tibetan
22.48590447 Nepali_Kirant_Rai
23.99184653 Kyrgyz
23.99576838 Mongol_Khalkh
24.00394759 Kyrgyz_Pamir
24.27107744 Tu
25.36240131 Naxi
25.80209875 Yizu
25.85475778 Mongol_Uuld
26.53618661 Uyghur
26.58228922 Kazakh
26.73367726 Kalmyk
26.80836810 Han_north
27.96476354 Xibo
28.92223020 Burmanese
29.12301839 Han_central
29.15920095 Hazara
29.44607614 Hezhen
29.44974533 Karakalpak
29.68688936 Garo
30.20969877 Nogai_Stavropol
30.37119853 Nogai_Astrakhan
30.56179641 Tujia

Target: HuiXinjiangMom
Distance: 1.9167% / 1.91673037 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.8 Dungan
31.7 Kyrgyz_Pamir
17.6 Han_south
11.9 Altaian_Chelkan
2.0 ZHUANG

Target: HuiXinjiangMom
Distance: 2.3057% / 2.30574743 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.6 Kyrgyz_Pamir
27.6 Dungan
23.8 Han_south

[Kyp]

I don't if has been posted here:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku

Gedrosia: 23.96
Siberian: 2.01
NW_African: 0.37
SE_Asian: 0.34
Atlantic_Med: 7.07
North_European: 9.12
South Asian: 4.77
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.72
East_Asian: 2.46
Caucasus: 38.17
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azeri_Hamedan/Baku
3.58770121 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.04226422 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.52414633 Azerbaijani
4.85943412 Iran_Central
4.86053495 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.10786648 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.39308817 Yazidi_Kurd
5.47056670 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.64756585 Kurd_Sorani
6.38047020 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.71025335 Turkmen_Iraq
6.85824322 Iranian_Fars
7.07199406 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.09279917 Kurd_Feyli
7.43682728 Iranian_Lur
7.92899741 Turk_Southeast
8.01970698 Iranian_Khorasan
8.75054855 Iranian_Kerman
9.83521225 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.76788280 Turk_Central_East
11.03167258 Turk_South
11.04666465 Turk_East
11.20721643 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.12254099 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.26681703 Iraqi_Baghdad

Target: Azeri_Hamedan/Baku
Distance: 0.9198% / 0.91979223 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.3 Talysh_Azerbaijan
30.6 Iranian_Khorasan
23.2 Turk_Southeast
5.9 Kumyk


Father (Azeri from Hamedan):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/IranHamadan-SVG.svg/1024px-IranHamadan-SVG.svg.png

Interesting because there isn't any other Azeri result from this far south:

Gedrosia: 25.06
Siberian: 3.01
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 1.49
Atlantic_Med: 8.99
North_European: 6.98
South Asian: 5.54
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 9.87
East_Asian: 2.52
Caucasus: 35.52
SSA: 1.02

Distance to: Azeri_Hamedan
5.62307745 Iran_Central
6.32166908 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.49622968 Iranian_Khorasan
6.85311608 Iranian_Fars
6.88692239 Yazidi_Kurd
6.94332773 Azerbaijani
7.20467904 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.41586812 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.42948854 Azerbaijani_Northwest
7.71657955 Iranian_Kerman
7.79374108 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.82925922 Kurd_Sorani
8.21290448 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46452007 Iranian_Lur
8.68057602 Turkmen_Iraq
9.13794835 Kurd_Feyli
9.56040271 Turk_Southeast
9.89805031 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.92404294 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.04406493 Turk_South
12.27979642 Turk_Central_East
12.87238517 Turkmen_TM
12.98082817 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.23086921 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.42929261 Turk_Central_West

Target: Azeri_Hamedan
Distance: 3.0018% / 3.00182213 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.7 Iranian_Khorasan
21.6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
21.4 Yazidi_Kurd
6.3 Iran_Central


Mother (Azeri from Baku with partly Tat ancestry):

Gedrosia: 21.92
Siberian: 2.33
NW_African: 0.26
SE_Asian: 0.56
Atlantic_Med: 7.20
North_European: 9.81
South Asian: 3.10
East_African: 0.30
SW_Asian: 12.09
East_Asian: 1.36
Caucasus: 41.08
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azeri_Baku
2.62360439 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
3.41531843 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.86899212 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.19200429 Azerbaijani
4.73408914 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.77682949 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.26977671 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.27705345 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.48661699 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.66132119 Yazidi_Kurd
6.89557829 Turk_Southeast
6.96115651 Turkmen_Iraq
7.08955570 Kurd_Sorani
7.61432860 Turk_East
7.99229003 Iran_Central
8.17715109 Kurd_Feyli
8.79048918 Turk_Central_East
8.96187480 Iranian_Lur
9.94640639 Turk_South
10.14393908 Iranian_Fars
10.45300914 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.22800071 Turk_Central_West
11.86279057 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.96625255 Armenian_East
12.00480321 Iranian_Khorasan

Target: Azeri_Baku
Distance: 1.4523% / 1.45229003 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.5 Talysh_Azerbaijan
28.2 Turk_Southeast
14.2 Kumyk
7.1 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Sterling Archer]

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku
Is it me or is there a duplicate? The result seems to be identical to that of his/her mother's.


Gedrosia: 25.06
Siberian: 3.01
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 1.49
Atlantic_Med: 8.99
North_European: 6.98
South Asian: 5.54
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 9.87
East_Asian: 2.52
Caucasus: 35.52
SSA: 1.02
These numbers are unusual, especially South Asia. I assume that is why this person matches first with the central Iranians rather than Azerbaijanis.

[Kyp]

Is it me or is there a duplicate? The result seems to be identical to that of his/her mother's.


These numbers are unusual, especially South Asia. I assume that is why this person matches first with the central Iranians rather than Azerbaijanis.

You are right. My mistake. I edited the mother's result now.

Yeah he's very southern (somewhat could be expected because of his region). Although he also is the most turkic out of the three. Also interestingly low SW_Asian for his region (my father has low too, might be common among Azeris from this area Zanjan/Hamedan etc.)

[Sterling Archer]

Also interestingly low SW_Asian for his region
Noticed that too. Very interesting, especially taking into account that he is from Iran.


(my father has low too, might be common among Azeris from this area Zanjan/Hamedan etc.)
Yeah, but if I remember correctly, your father also has a fairly decent NE too, which is on the very high end for Iran.

Does this person have any tribal affiliation?

[Kyp]

Does this person have any tribal affiliation?


No but on Anthrogenica he mentioned that among his father's local lore they came from Anatolia in the 1600s. So I'm assuming they are some Qizilbash tribe.

[Kyp]

I don't if has been posted here:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku




Sister:

Population
Gedrosia 21.09 Pct
Siberian 2.98 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.04 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.8 Pct
North_European 9.07 Pct
South_Asian 4.34 Pct
East_African 0.23 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.66 Pct
East_Asian 2 Pct
Caucasus 39.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.23 Pct

[Leto]

I don't if has been posted here:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku


Is the Iranian Azerbaijani an immigrant to the North? Where do they live?

[Leto]

I think Azerbaijanis are 20% Oghuz Turkic at most, some are sure as low as 10%.

[Kyp]

Is the Iranian Azerbaijani an immigrant to the North? Where do they live?

idk... don't think so

He lives in Europe

[Leto]

A Turkish Kurd. Almost 11% North_European. He has many Turkish-sounding matches

Gedrosia 25.53 Pct
Siberian 0.9 Pct
Northwest_African 1.48 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.92 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.23 Pct
North_European 10.94 Pct
South_Asian 2.03 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.56 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 39.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ramazan
4.97726833 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.12313381 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.41256871 Kurd_Sorani
5.48086672 Yazidi_Kurd
6.04091880 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.15317804 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.69521471 Kurd_Feyli
7.20680234 Azerbaijani
7.86321817 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.87862298 Iranian_Lur

Target: Ramazan
Distance: 1.2969% / 1.29689326 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.0 Kurd_Sorani
23.6 Lezgin
15.1 Udi_Azerbaijan
2.7 Kaitag_Dagestan
2.6 Yemenite_Mahra

Target: Ramazan
Distance: 2.0572% / 2.05721558 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.7 Kurd_Sorani
46.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

[Sterling Archer]

Sister:
East_African 0.23 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.66 Pct
East_Asian 2 Pct
Caucasus 39.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.23 Pct
How does this work? She has higher SW Asia than both her parents:confused:
Is this totally random?

[Kyp]

How does this work? She has higher SW Asia than both her parents:confused:
Is this totally random?

possibilty 1: She just inherited it unproportionally to other components
possiblity 2: one of the parents has actually more than tested (Autosomal DNA test can't test 100% of your genome)
possiblity 3: gedmatch calculators

[Leto]

possiblity 2: one of the parents has actually more than tested (Autosomal DNA test can't test 100% of your genome)

That's highly unlikely IMO.

You can check West_Asian, East_Med and Red_Sea for the entire family.

[Sterling Archer]

possibilty 1: She just inherited it unproportionally to other components

Yeah, this I can totally understand. When I run my results in gedmatch and look at admixture proportions by chromosome, I can see that it is highly uneven.

[Kyp]

That's highly unlikely IMO.

You can check West_Asian, East_Med and Red_Sea for the entire family.

Mother
West_Asian: 36.99
East_Med: 29.08
Red_Sea: 4.86

Father
West_Asian: 36.27
East_Med: 24.17
Red_Sea: 5.24

Daughter
West_Asian: 34.74
East_Med: 28.22
Red_Sea: 6.79

[Altaylı]

I think Azerbaijanis are 20% Oghuz Turkic at most, some are sure as low as 10%.

A 10% east eurasian person is can be 22-26% DA87 Kimak
Probably azerbaijanis mostly between 15-20% DA87 Kimak some of them can be more than 20%

I think Turkicness doesn't only related with east eurasia a 10% east eurasian person can be same % Turkic with 13-14% east eurasian person

[Leto]

Mother
West_Asian: 36.99
East_Med: 29.08
Red_Sea: 4.86

Father
West_Asian: 36.27
East_Med: 24.17
Red_Sea: 5.24

Daughter
West_Asian: 34.74
East_Med: 28.22
Red_Sea: 6.79
Nothing extraordinary, only the daughter's Red Sea is a bit high but that's not impossible. What about her brother though?

[Leto]

A 10% east eurasian person is can be 22-26% DA87 Kimak
Probably azerbaijanis mostly between 15-20% DA87 Kimak some of them can be more than 20%

I think Turkicness doesn't only related with east eurasia a 10% east eurasian person can be same % Turkic with 13-14% east eurasian person
Yeah, but 10% is considered high in Azerbaijan. You can probably find more people with 5% Mongoloid than with 10%.

[Altaylı]

Yeah, but 10% is considered high in Azerbaijan. You can probably find more people with 5% Mongoloid than with 10%.

Azerbaijanis are mostly between 4-8%east eurasia i think that means they are mostly something between 15-20% DA87 Kimak

[Kyp]

Nothing extraordinary, only the daughter's Red Sea is a bit high but that's not impossible. What about her brother though?

West_Asian 37.8 Pc
East_Med 27.68 Pct
Red_Sea 5.03 Pct


I forgot to add that the mother has Tat ancestry too

[Leto]

Egyptians from Cairo. Both look like Egyptian Arabs in case anyone wonders

E-V65
H6b

Gedrosia 5.12 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 8.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.68 Pct
North_European 1.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 9.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.33 Pct
East_Asian 2.26 Pct
Caucasus 30.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan 5.68 Pct

Distance to: Mostafa
3.11440139 Egyptian
10.12435183 Coptic
10.16911009 Jordanian_Muslim
11.09188893 Palestinian
13.95169165 Syrian_Muslim
15.23665974 Lebanese_Muslim
16.07510498 Iraqi_Arab
16.52436686 Jordanian_Christian
16.69706262 Yemenite_mixed
16.98675955 Syrian_SW_Christian

Target: Mostafa
Distance: 1.0325% / 1.03254220 | ADC: 0.25x RC
83.6 Egyptian
8.8 Yemenite_mixed
4.8 Italian_Calabria
2.1 Japanese
0.7 Bantu_N.E.

Target: Mostafa
Distance: 2.2141% / 2.21407605 | ADC: 0.5x RC
82.1 Egyptian
11.7 Yemenite_mixed
6.2 Turk_Southwest


Gedrosia 5.59 Pct
Siberian 1.33 Pct
Northwest_African 7.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.89 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 0.37 Pct
East_African 9.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian 24.9 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan 5.01 Pct

Distance to: Amro
4.62662469 Egyptian
8.03207321 Jordanian_Muslim
8.80909757 Palestinian
9.60975026 Coptic
11.59716776 Syrian_Muslim
12.63590915 Lebanese_Muslim
13.35374479 Jordanian_Christian
13.75020000 Syrian_SW_Christian
14.08820783 Palestinian_Christian
14.63895488 Iraqi_Arab

Target: Amro
Distance: 1.8856% / 1.88555137 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.1 Egyptian
22.8 Coptic
14.3 Georgian_Adjara
10.8 Yemenite_mixed
2.0 Sandawe_He

[Kyp]

Some Iranian:

(from matches and name I assume Persian/Azeri mix could also be Qashqai or something else, I have contacted her)


Gedrosia: 26.45
Siberian: 2.19
NW_African: 0.32
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.95
North_European: 6.58
South Asian: 3.56
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.93
East_Asian: 5.54
Caucasus: 37.12
SSA: 0.35

Distance to: Tabriz/Isfahan
6.22373682 Kurd_Sorani
6.32214362 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.40608305 Yazidi_Kurd
6.42510700 Iranian_Fars
6.71760374 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.80334477 Iranian_Lur
7.02406577 Kurd_Feyli
7.11241872 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.18841429 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.43386844 Azerbaijani
7.70836559 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.00296195 Iranian_Khorasan
8.28327230 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.29056090 Turkmen_Iraq
8.75698578 Iranian_Kerman
9.65206714 Azerbaijani_North
9.98063124 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.20016667 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.47712270 Turk_Southeast
12.71324113 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.35915042 Turk_South
13.51105843 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.52021450 Turk_Central_East
13.84209883 Turk_East
13.95455123 Turkmen_TM


Target: Tabriz/Isfahan
Distance: 1.0225% / 1.02251711 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.2 Iranian_Mazandaran
34.1 Kurd_Sorani
23.4 Azerbaijani_Northwest
2.5 Japanese
2.5 Nivh
2.3 Iranian_Khorasan

[Kyp]

Some Iranian:

(from matches and name I assume Persian/Azeri mix could also be Qashqai or something else, I have contacted her)


Gedrosia: 26.45
Siberian: 2.19
NW_African: 0.32
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.95
North_European: 6.58
South Asian: 3.56
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.93
East_Asian: 5.54
Caucasus: 37.12
SSA: 0.35

Distance to: Tabriz/Isfahan
6.22373682 Kurd_Sorani
6.32214362 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.40608305 Yazidi_Kurd
6.42510700 Iranian_Fars
6.71760374 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.80334477 Iranian_Lur
7.02406577 Kurd_Feyli
7.11241872 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.18841429 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.43386844 Azerbaijani
7.70836559 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.00296195 Iranian_Khorasan
8.28327230 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.29056090 Turkmen_Iraq
8.75698578 Iranian_Kerman
9.65206714 Azerbaijani_North
9.98063124 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.20016667 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.47712270 Turk_Southeast
12.71324113 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.35915042 Turk_South
13.51105843 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.52021450 Turk_Central_East
13.84209883 Turk_East
13.95455123 Turkmen_TM


Target: Tabriz/Isfahan
Distance: 1.0225% / 1.02251711 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.2 Iranian_Mazandaran
34.1 Kurd_Sorani
23.4 Azerbaijani_Northwest
2.5 Japanese
2.5 Nivh
2.3 Iranian_Khorasan

She is from Teheran.

Paternally from Isfahan (Persian) - Maternally from Tabriz (Azeri)

[Leto]

50% from Isfahan (Persian) - 50% Tabriz (Azeri)
Still quite a bit of East Eurasian. Over 7%

[Sterling Archer]

Turk, who, if google didn't lie to me, from Çandarlı, Izmir.

Gedrosia 12.47 Pct
Siberian 6.97 Pct
Northwest_African 0.72 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.97 Pct
North_European 12.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.22 Pct
East_Asian 5.26 Pct
Caucasus 35.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Hasan
3.04392838 Turk_Southwest
3.74468957 Turk_West_BlackSea
3.86265453 Turk_Northwest
4.69931910 Turk_Central_West
5.67742900 Turk_South
6.90543264 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.82198824 Turk_Central_East
9.51436808 Turk_Southeast
10.92685682 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.95914295 Azerbaijani
12.27469348 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.18226839 Turk_Cyprus
13.50232573 Greek_Crete
13.76361871 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.09794666 Greek_Fournoi
14.37907855 Greek_Kos
14.83215426 Turk_East
14.89446877 Greek_Izmir
15.01200853 Greek_Rhodes
15.07477363 Greek_Lemnos
15.17937416 Kabardin
15.60563039 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.93007219 Moldovan_Jewish
16.11336712 Abazin
16.36173279 Turkmen_Iraq

[Kyp]

50 % Tsakhur or Rutul from Azerbaijan 50% Azerbaijani from Qakh/Ismayili:


I think the person is not really sure about his full background. So take it with a grain of salt

Ydna: J1

Gedrosia: 24.53
Siberian: 2.51
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.39
Atlantic_Med: 7.60
North_European: 21.48
South Asian: 1.90
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 4.10
East_Asian: 0.62
Caucasus: 36.87
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Tsakhur/AzeriNorth
4.42142511 Lezgin
5.13398481 Lak
5.86478474 Tabasaran
6.04895032 Avar
6.32477668 Kumyk
6.51586525 Kaitag_Dagestan
6.81416906 Kubachi_Dagestan
7.10816432 Chechen
7.42810878 Dargin
8.92736243 Ingush
9.28831524 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.87918519 Kabardin
11.22491871 Balkar
11.48465498 Abazin
11.74022572 Karachay
11.97009607 Azerbaijani_North
12.08810986 Circassian
12.64358335 Adyghe
13.78146944 Ossetian
15.65243112 Azerbaijani
15.67311392 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
15.83511920 Iranian_Khorasan
16.12055830 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.21362082 Azerbaijani_Northwest
16.22276487 Azerbaijani_Iran


Target: Tsakhur/AzeriNorth
Distance: 1.0980% / 1.09802307 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.1 Lezgin
22.9 Lak
13.7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
4.8 Balkan_Gypsy
2.5 Kumyk

[Leto]

50 % Tsakhur from Azerbaijan 50% Azerbaijani Turk from Qakh/Ismayili:

Wow, basically fully North Caucasian. Let me know if he has any interesting matches.

[Sterling Archer]

50 % Tsakhur from Azerbaijan 50% Azerbaijani from Qakh/Ismayili:

So, taking into account that few Tsakhur samples we saw scored in and around NE=18-20, both parents of this guy had to be very north shifted for this person to end up with NE=21.

[Leto]

Not a DNA result but this Azerbaijani actor has died today. Arif Quliyev. He was born in Shirvan. Looks white-ish to me
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/a/af/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%84_%D0%93%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8% D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg
https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arif_Quliyev_(aktyor)

[Mejgusu]

I hope RatCat you read this, we are missing you. You were a great enrichment for this thread. @Loki please unlock his account, i dont know why you banned him but he was one of the most trustworthy and nicest members on this forum.

[Leto]

Demhat wanted me to add this guy - a Kurd from Ağrı, Turkey

https://youtu.be/eltjnjaTDFI

[Sterling Archer]

Not a DNA result but this Azerbaijani actor has died today. Arif Quliyev. He was born in Shirvan. Looks white-ish to me
https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arif_Quliyev_(aktyor)
Fucking Corona, took a great guy away. He was a very popular comedian, especially in the 80s movies and his own comedy sketcher.

[Kyp]

Average from Dhi Qar in Iraq (n=10):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Dhi_Qar_in_Iraq.svg

Gedrosia: 15.38
Siberian: 0.14
NW_African: 3.13
SE_Asian: 0.25
Atlantic_Med: 7.77
North_European: 1.80
South Asian: 2.64
East_African: 3.56
SW_Asian: 29.55
East_Asian: 0.34
Caucasus: 33.73
SSA: 1.70

Distance to: Iraqi_DhiQar
4.55828915 Iraqi_Arab
7.50840196 Arab_Iran
7.74971612 Syrian_Muslim
9.13386008 Jordanian_Muslim
10.10725482 Palestinian
10.93543781 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.93577815 Lebanese_Muslim
14.02235358 Syrian_SW_Christian
14.27248752 Jordanian_Christian
14.38626428 Iraqi_Jew
14.42805600 Palestinian_Christian
14.55656209 Mandean
14.84194731 Kurdish_Jew
15.48801472 Lebanese_Christian
15.83692697 Egyptian
16.34190625 Turkmen_Iraq
16.70225135 Nusayri_Turkey
17.60606430 Coptic
17.70098020 Assyrian_South
17.78105452 Kuwait1
17.86873806 Azeri_Jew
17.91715658 Bedouin
18.20152191 Assyrian_West
18.27365317 Assyrian_North
19.16778547 Turk_Southeast

Target: Iraqi_DhiQar
Distance: 1.5319% / 1.53191834 | ADC: 0.5x RC
83.3 Iraqi_Arab
11.7 Saudi
5.0 Bedouin

[Leto]

Average from Dhi Qar in Iraq (n=10):
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Dhi_Qar_in_Iraq.svg

Gedrosia: 15.38
Siberian: 0.14
NW_African: 3.13
SE_Asian: 0.25
Atlantic_Med: 7.77
North_European: 1.80
South Asian: 2.64
East_African: 3.56
SW_Asian: 29.55
East_Asian: 0.34
Caucasus: 33.73
SSA: 1.70

Distance to: Iraqi_DhiQar
4.55828915 Iraqi_Arab
7.50840196 Arab_Iran
7.74971612 Syrian_Muslim
9.13386008 Jordanian_Muslim
10.10725482 Palestinian
10.93543781 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.93577815 Lebanese_Muslim
14.02235358 Syrian_SW_Christian
14.27248752 Jordanian_Christian
14.38626428 Iraqi_Jew
14.42805600 Palestinian_Christian
14.55656209 Mandean
14.84194731 Kurdish_Jew
15.48801472 Lebanese_Christian
15.83692697 Egyptian
16.34190625 Turkmen_Iraq
16.70225135 Nusayri_Turkey
17.60606430 Coptic
17.70098020 Assyrian_South
17.78105452 Kuwait1
17.86873806 Azeri_Jew
17.91715658 Bedouin
18.20152191 Assyrian_West
18.27365317 Assyrian_North
19.16778547 Turk_Southeast

Target: Iraqi_DhiQar
Distance: 1.5319% / 1.53191834 | ADC: 0.5x RC
83.3 Iraqi_Arab
11.7 Saudi
5.0 Bedouin
Interesting. I guess we could add it as Iraqi_South or something of that kind.

[Kyp]

Interesting. I guess we could add it as Iraqi_South or something of that kind.

I will make an average for Basra (southernmost province) too. Maybe one could combine the two. But there is also an Iraqi_Arab average, I dont know what it includes though.

[Mejgusu]

Kurd 15th century:

Gedrosia: 26.23 Pct
Siberian: 0.08 Pct
NW-African: 0.38 Pct
SE-Asian: -
Atl_Med: 5.9 Pct
North European: 9.46 Pct
South Asia: 1.29 Pct
East African: -
SW-Asian: 14.29 Pct
East Asian: -
Caucasus: 42.23 Pct
Ssa: 0.13 Pct

Distance to: Kurd_15thcentury
4.14544328 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.15798410 Kurd_Sorani
5.26585226 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.66243764 Kurd_Feyli
5.88290744 Yazidi_Kurd
7.07583211 Iranian_Lur
7.59674930 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.74601833 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.46531157 Turkmen_Iraq
8.84641735 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.93161240 Azerbaijani
9.05597593 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.79286986 Iranian_Fars
10.05412851 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.70569008 Turk_East
11.49408544 Turk_Southeast
12.06127274 Iranian_Kerman
12.95131654 Azeri_Jew
13.03047198 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.17792472 Iranian_Khorasan
13.23628724 Mandean
13.26896379 Armenian_East
13.59327039 Assyrian_North
13.86544265 Turk_Central_East
13.97207572 Turk_Ahiska

Target: Kurd_15thcentury
Distance: 3.0386% / 3.03860310 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.0 Kurd_Sorani
30.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.1 Lezgin

Target: Kurd_15thcentury
Distance: 2.4359% / 2.43592878 | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.0 Kurd_Sorani
16.4 Georgian_Gurian
12.1 Lezgin
2.5 Kuwait2

[Kyp]

Iraqi Arab from Basra average (n=11):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Al-Basrah_in_Iraq.svg

Gedrosia: 19.77
Siberian: 0.44
NW_African: 2.69
SE_Asian: 0.21
Atlantic_Med: 7.60
North_European: 2.63
South Asian: 3.16
East_African: 3.16
SW_Asian: 20.49
East_Asian: 0.38
Caucasus: 34.89
SSA: 4.58

Distance to: Iraqi_Basra
4.48243238 Arab_Iran
5.23183524 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.71174344 Iraqi_Arab
8.27173501 Turkmen_Iraq
8.97561140 Syrian_Muslim
10.45240164 Lebanese_Muslim
10.60333438 Iraqi_DhiQar
10.67128858 Mandean
11.78507955 Yazidi_Kurd
11.80526577 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.04149908 Kurd_Sorani
12.27052566 Iranian_Fars
12.28920258 Turk_Southeast
12.37752399 Iranian_Lur
12.43735100 Kurdish_Jew
12.46728118 Iraqi_Jew
12.59255733 Jordanian_Muslim
12.64007516 Palestinian
12.74887054 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.89257538 Kurd_Feyli
13.23106194 Azerbaijani
13.63920452 Azeri_Jew
13.98092987 Assyrian_South
14.25208757 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.33127001 Assyrian_North

Target: Iraqi_Basra
Distance: 1.2231% / 1.22314943 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.6 Arab_Iran
17.4 Mandean
15.1 Iranian_Lur
4.5 Bantu_N.E.
3.4 Iraqi_Baghdad


Iraqi Arab average from Maysan (n=18):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Maysan_in_Iraq.svg/800px-Maysan_in_Iraq.svg.png

Gedrosia: 17.59
Siberian: 0.28
NW_African: 2.89
SE_Asian: 0.29
Atlantic_Med: 5.95
North_European: 3.34
South Asian: 3.91
East_African: 3.50
SW_Asian: 24.68
East_Asian: 0.47
Caucasus: 35.12
SSA: 1.95

Distance to: Iraqi_Maysan
1.92163992 Arab_Iran
3.08988673 Iraqi_Arab
5.76741710 Iraqi_Basra
6.16374886 Iraqi_DhiQar
6.19622466 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.40153362 Syrian_Muslim
10.56596422 Lebanese_Muslim
10.81202109 Jordanian_Muslim
10.89860083 Turkmen_Iraq
11.27775687 Palestinian
11.42390914 Mandean
12.43307685 Iraqi_Jew
12.50187986 Kurdish_Jew
14.60977755 Azeri_Jew
14.69126271 Turk_Southeast
14.80061823 Assyrian_South
14.88340015 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.90841373 Kurd_Sorani
15.14865010 Yazidi_Kurd
15.24793757 Assyrian_North
15.30423144 Iranian_Fars
15.38276308 Syrian_SW_Christian
15.40431108 Lebanese_Christian
15.43321094 Assyrian_West
15.45629322 Nusayri_Turkey

Target: Iraqi_Maysan
Distance: 0.7212% / 0.72115063 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.7 Arab_Iran
10.0 Kuwait1
2.3 Georgian_Imereti
2.0 Georgian_Svan

[Leto]

Iraqis seem to be a mix of Assyrians, Arabians, Persians and yes, some blacks too. Particular in Basra black ancestry is evident.

[Leto]

Four academic Tajik samples. Not new but I've not seen them in one place on this forum


TJK1,29.72,4.4,0.83,0.25,6.07,18.24,5.44,0.19,5.22 ,7.83,21.8,0
TJK2,24.65,7.46,0,2.32,6.64,17.2,8.96,0.18,3.84,11 .54,17.21,0
TJK3,28.07,6.17,0,0,6.76,16.64,7.73,0.66,3.76,9.15 ,21.05,0
TJK4,29.14,6.25,0,0.97,6.43,15.02,7.71,0,4.13,9.41 ,20.94,0

Distance to: TJK1
3.77837267 Tajik_Mountain
5.45323757 Tajik_Lowland
7.33970027 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
10.04872131 Tajik_Herat
10.65599831 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.67580910 Pamiri_Rushan
10.93368191 Turkmen_TM
12.57071597 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.78896399 Turkmen_Iran
14.86550705 Pashtun_Kandahar

Distance to: TJK2
6.81386821 Tajik_Mountain
8.79456082 Tajik_Lowland
10.66913305 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
11.59238975 Uzbek
12.16026727 Turkmen_Iran
13.14815196 Turkmen_TM
13.42421320 Tajik_Herat
13.72786218 Pamiri_Shughnan
14.18357501 Pamiri_Ishkashim
14.37966620 Pamiri_Rushan

Distance to: TJK3
2.52719212 Tajik_Mountain
5.21595629 Tajik_Lowland
9.52204810 Tajik_Herat
10.04463041 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
10.12831674 Turkmen_TM
11.20440092 Turkmen_Iran
11.51454298 Pamiri_Shughnan
11.88294156 Pamiri_Rushan
12.47566030 Pamiri_Ishkashim
13.43575454 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

Distance to: TJK4
3.94798683 Tajik_Mountain
6.09374269 Tajik_Lowland
8.56984831 Tajik_Herat
9.60270274 Turkmen_TM
11.00368575 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
11.26152299 Turkmen_Iran
12.51730003 Pamiri_Shughnan
12.92093650 Pamiri_Rushan
13.04249209 Pamiri_Ishkashim
13.43123226 Tajik_Kabul

[Kyp]

the westasian DNA community on TA is getting smaller day by day. Now Altayli is also banned..

[Leto]

the westasian DNA community on TA is getting smaller day by day. Now Altayli is also banned..
Lol, and he thought he would never get banned. Let's be honest, he did troll quite a bit and for example Gecko thought of him quite badly.

[Mejgusu]

Lol, and he thought he would never get banned. Let's be honest, he did troll quite a bit and for example Gecko thought of him quite badly.

He was not real and behaved acted. You saw it yourself, said to you that you would be a nice Russian but insulted you secretly. Just another troll, he did a mistake that he revealed it to me many times. His second mistake was saying something that he shouldn’t have said. Let’s forget him, he never was seriously an enriching member here like RatCat who was real and not a sock account.

[Leto]

He was not real and behaved acted. You saw it yourself, said to you that you would be a nice Russian but insulted you secretly. Just another troll, he did a mistake that he revealed it to me many times. His second mistake was saying something that he shouldn’t have said. Let’s forget him, he never was seriously an enriching member here like RatCat who was real and not a sock account.
Well, too bad we won't see his supposedly "tribal" Turkic results straight out of Turkmenia :icon_biggrin:

[Mejgusu]

Well, too bad we won't see his supposedly "tribal" Turkic results straight out of Turkmenia :icon_biggrin:

I didn’t have a problem with that, he was basically a troll. He appeared exactly the same time when other Turkish trolls started beeing active here, I don’t think that they are all the same person but it is quite suspicious. His „nice“ behavior does not mean anything, like I said he talked differently on his pm or reputation comments. He started to spam me after I rejected his friend request many times, I ignored it until his irreverent comment.

[Sterling Archer]

Some Dagestani.

Gedrosia 23.51 Pct
Siberian 2.07 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.25 Pct
North_European 26.84 Pct
South_Asian 1.09 Pct
East_African 0.28 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.61 Pct
East_Asian 1.13 Pct
Caucasus 37.23 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: dag
2.42911507 Kaitag_Dagestan
3.64653260 Tabasaran
3.78067454 Lak
3.96632071 Avar
4.60369417 Kubachi_Dagestan
4.62762358 Dargin
6.95070500 Lezgin
8.15654952 Chechen
8.61152135 Kumyk
11.41183158 Ingush
11.76788851 Kabardin
12.21450367 Balkar
13.34156662 Abazin
13.34653513 Karachay
13.70846089 Circassian
14.38302124 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.68337495 Adyghe
15.48333297 Ossetian
17.49527365 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
18.20105217 Nogai
18.57776359 Ossetian_South
19.19655698 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
20.88971757 Azerbaijani
20.90617612 Tajik_Lowland
21.10117769 Iranian_Khorasan

[Sterling Archer]

Don't know who this person is, but he has almost no Atlantic_Med. Haven't seen anything like this from the region.

Gedrosia 25 Pct
Siberian 1.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.59 Pct
Atlantic_Med 1.82 Pct
North_European 20.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.56 Pct
East_Asian 0.98 Pct
Caucasus 43.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Dagest_chechen?
5.32092097 Chechen
5.97178365 Ingush
7.46813230 Lezgin
7.47267021 Kumyk
8.71060273 Lak
9.03629349 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.30796433 Adyghe
9.32856902 Balkar
9.39334339 Kubachi_Dagestan
9.53423830 Karachay
10.17425673 Ossetian
10.28783748 Avar
10.43422254 Circassian
10.52487055 Tabasaran
10.59755160 Abazin
10.77223746 Kabardin
10.87470919 Kaitag_Dagestan
11.56955487 Ossetian_South
12.06004975 Dargin
15.05407918 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.20583441 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.88973883 Abkhazian
15.92322518 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.94025094 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.02660288 Azerbaijani

[Sterling Archer]

New Udi result.

Gedrosia 20.32 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.57 Pct
North_European 8.93 Pct
South_Asian 0.74 Pct
East_African 0.43 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Udi new
2.01834090 Udi_Azerbaijan
3.67985054 Turk_East
5.56141169 Armenian_East
7.16180145 Turk_Ahiska
8.32137008 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.53223886 Armenian_West
9.09422894 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.29956451 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.62836954 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.82768538 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.90602847 Azerbaijani
9.93115300 Turk_Central_East
10.23169096 Azeri_Jew
10.36378792 Assyrian_North
10.52668514 Turk_Southeast
10.70701172 Assyrian_West
10.87344472 Assyrian_South
10.92692088 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.97478474 Greek_Pontus
11.15058743 Hemshin
11.36088465 Yazidi_Kurd
11.73380160 Laz
11.83858944 Turkmen_Iraq
12.07658478 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.23106700 Adyghe

[Leto]

Some Dagestani.

Can you share the kit number? I may or may not know him.

Don't know who this person is, but he has almost no Atlantic_Med. Haven't seen anything like this from the region.

Yes, quite unusual. Together with higher Caucasus, Gedrosia and SW Asian.

[Sterling Archer]

New Georgian result.

Gedrosia 21.59 Pct
Siberian 0.96 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.04 Pct
North_European 7.81 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.46 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 58.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Georgian
2.85084198 Georgian_Imereti
2.94322952 Georgian
4.28068920 Georgian_Gurian
4.61413047 Georgian_Mingrelian
5.18140907 Georgian_Svan
5.50833006 Georgian_Adjara
6.18253993 Abkhazian
6.92410283 Turk_Ahiska
7.79813439 Laz
8.62430287 Hemshin
11.01988203 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.39247998 Ossetian_South
12.75223510 Greek_Pontus
13.28137418 Armenian_East
13.69346925 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.90810182 Ossetian
15.26647962 Adyghe
15.32111941 Turk_East
16.08630784 Armenian_West
17.78012936 Ingush
17.97583656 Karachay
17.99570504 Talysh_Azerbaijan
18.18958493 Circassian
18.77338808 Azeri_Jew
18.78863752 Assyrian_North

[Leto]

I've found some more Dagestanis. The last two are the most unique - huge European input, high Gedorsia and literally no SW Asian! Like I told y'all - they are super isolated and inbred

J1
H6a1b

Gedrosia 24.05 Pct
Siberian 2.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.45 Pct
North_European 23.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.88 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.54 Pct
East_Asian 0.38 Pct
Caucasus 38.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Magomed
3.54443225 Lak
4.27560522 Lezgin
4.93948378 Tabasaran
4.98558923 Dargin_Kaitag
5.01140699 Avar
5.19386176 Chechen
5.22971319 Dargin_Kubachi
5.73996516 Kumyk
6.67820335 Dargin
7.99165815 Ingush

Target: Magomed
Distance: 1.2072% / 1.20722261 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.7 Kumyk
36.8 Dargin_Kaitag
24.5 Lezgin
1.0 Lak


Gedrosia 27.1 Pct
Siberian 2.44 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.21 Pct
North_European 27.56 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.27 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: AU
2.58145308 Dargin
3.82028795 Dargin_Kaitag
3.89529203 Avar
3.99942496 Tabasaran
5.40659782 Lak
5.44378545 Dargin_Kubachi
8.00624132 Lezgin
12.20533900 Chechen
12.84383510 Kumyk
14.23550491 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan

Target: AU
Distance: 0.9581% / 0.95811441 | ADC: 0.5x RC
89.5 Dargin
7.4 Pamiri_Rushan
1.6 Russian_Ryazan
1.5 Slovak


Gedrosia 28.59 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.62 Pct
North_European 26.2 Pct
South_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_African 0.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 0.19 Pct
Caucasus 36.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.53 Pct

Distance to: Dag
3.19476134 Dargin
3.91043476 Avar
4.09550974 Dargin_Kubachi
4.46842254 Tabasaran
4.87871909 Lak
4.93503799 Dargin_Kaitag
7.02192993 Lezgin
11.43089235 Chechen
12.82656228 Kumyk
14.21958157 Ingush

Target: Dag
Distance: 2.1167% / 2.11668335
71.9 Dargin_Kubachi
17.9 Dargin
8.4 Nuristani
1.8 Latvian

[Kyp]

Not sure if these academic Azeri results have been posted here before:

https://i.imgur.com/YBP8ojG.jpg

Unfortunately I dont know where they are from. They are just listed as " Azeri (Azerbaijan)". So i'm guessing Republic of Azerbaijan. I also think the Azerbaijani Republic average needs a re-work, although there is some regional variancy in Azerbaijan and it's hard to define the data-set for it.

[Sora]

.

Could you post the link of that spreadsheet?

[Dr_Maul]

Not sure if these academic Azeri results have been posted here before:

https://i.imgur.com/YBP8ojG.jpg

Unfortunately I dont know where they are from. They are just listed as " Azeri (Azerbaijan)". So i'm guessing Republic of Azerbaijan. I also think the Azerbaijani Republic average needs a re-work, although there is some regional variancy in Azerbaijan and it's hard to define the data-set for it.

I guess republic because the first individual seems Dagestan-like

[Impaler]

Georgian + North Caucasian + Greek/Albanian mix?


Distance to: Kavkaz-Greek/Albanian
6.68869943 Kabardin
6.73305280 Adyghe
7.11153992 Circassian
7.34710147 Abazin
7.37334388 Kumyk
7.48388936 Ingush
7.76860348 Balkar
7.76961389 Karachay
7.97684148 Chechen
8.18263405 Ossetian
10.50608395 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.39300663 Ossetian_South
12.97561945 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.29830064 Lak
13.32219952 Lezgin
14.18492510 Kubachi_Dagestan
14.23485511 Turk_East
14.24962456 Turk_Central_East
14.32130581 Turk_West_BlackSea
14.35677540 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.54342119 Kaitag_Dagestan
14.85467940 Tabasaran
14.97134596 Avar
14.97354333 Azerbaijani
14.98095791 Turk_Central_West

Target: Kavkaz-Greek/Albanian
Distance: 1.6642% / 1.66419832 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.8 Chechen
23.7 Georgian_Gurian
22.5 Albanian

Target: Kavkaz-Greek/Albanian
Distance: 2.9081% / 2.90809855 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.1 Adyghe
38.6 Chechen
21.3 Greek_Foca

Target: Kavkaz-Greek/Albanian
Distance: 0.8116% / 0.81164923 | R3P
37.3 Georgian_Gurian
37.0 Kubachi_Dagestan
25.7 Albanian

[Sterling Archer]

Georgian + North Caucasian + Greek/Albanian mix?


Distance to: Kavkaz-Greek/Albanian
6.68869943 Kabardin
6.73305280 Adyghe
7.11153992 Circassian

Do you have his K12b breakdown? Might just be a local outlier.

[Impaler]

Do you have his K12b breakdown? Might just be a local outlier.

Yes, I do:

https://i.ibb.co/0r4W7Sv/12b.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/8dNxMRb/mix-k12b.png (https://ibb.co/rcFpkL3)

[Sterling Archer]

Yeah, his Atlantic_Med is too high for his North Euro. I feel like I have seen this result. Looks like something Leto has posted already.
Vahaduo mixed mode plots him/her as quarter North European.

Distance to: someone
1.87413828 78.40% Abkhazian + 21.60% Scottish
1.88697876 79.00% Abkhazian + 21.00% Icelandic
1.88816955 78.80% Abkhazian + 21.20% Irish
2.03975462 78.40% Abkhazian + 21.60% English_North
2.08367064 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% German_Northwest
2.08739252 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% English_South
2.11155903 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% English
2.14773798 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Danish
2.16671748 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% French_Northwest
2.26307139 76.40% Georgian + 23.60% Swedish
2.28037708 77.60% Abkhazian + 22.40% Dutch
2.32779395 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Swedish
2.42713923 77.00% Abkhazian + 23.00% Belgian
2.48851917 77.80% Abkhazian + 22.20% German
2.52190401 23.60% Danish + 76.40% Georgian
2.55158363 76.20% Georgian + 23.80% Icelandic
2.60002119 74.80% Georgian + 25.20% German
2.63702140 74.60% Georgian_Svan + 25.40% Scottish
2.69024511 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Irish
2.71282602 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Icelandic
2.75854718 75.40% Georgian + 24.60% German_Northwest
2.78036242 25.40% English_North + 74.60% Georgian_Svan
2.78671132 26.00% English_South + 74.00% Georgian_Svan
2.80195745 76.80% Abkhazian + 23.20% French_North
2.82663021 25.80% English + 74.20% Georgian_Svan

[Sterling Archer]

Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Found it:)

[Leto]

Don't know who this person is, but he has almost no Atlantic_Med. Haven't seen anything like this from the region.

It gets even worse :D :eek:
Don't know how the fuck this can be possible

Gedrosia 28.71 Pct
Siberian 2.64 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.39 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.67 Pct
North_European 30.68 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 33.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

A whopping 30% North_European! His high Gedrosia and low Atlantic_Med rule out any possibility of recent Russian/European ancestry. But then again, RatCat posted a man from Dagestan with 29% NE (I have that kit too). I guess for Dargin/Avar highlanders that's not impossible.

[Sterling Archer]

Inbreeding is strong with this one ;)
Gedrosia is pushing Mazandaran levels too ))

I have results with zero SW Asia, but I am not sure I can post them.

[Leto]

Well, I posted a Dagestani with zero SW Asian yesterday or two days ago.

[Sterling Archer]

Well, I posted a Dagestani with zero SW Asian yesterday or two days ago.
Yep, you are right )) Slipped my attention.
Overall, as you said, the whole mountainous Dagestan has high degree of inbreeding/endogamy.
Somehow similar thing, but on a smaller scale, I have seen in Khinalug,Azerbaijan. People look alike, have very similar bone structure, jawline, etc.

[Dr_Maul]

Yep, you are right )) Slipped my attention.
Overall, as you said, the whole mountainous Dagestan is super inbred.
Somehow similar thing, but on a smaller scale, I have seen in Khinalug,Azerbaijan. People look alike, have very similar bone structure, jawline, etc.

When Balanovsky found a single y haplogroup in 99% (!) of 65 individuals, is it really surprising?

[Mejgusu]

I never would say anything against Daghestanis, 1 of them are equivalent to 50 or 100, he would easily beat them up to death easily.

[Leto]

When Balanovsky found a single y haplogroup in 99% (!) of 65 individuals, is it really surprising?
What ethnic group are you talking about?

[Dr_Maul]

What ethnic group are you talking about?

Dagestani (Kubachians)

[Sterling Archer]

Dagestani (Kubachians)
They are sub-ethnos of Dargins isolated to few villages. So it makes sense that they are so homogeneous.
When it comes to relatively larger groups, one can see that Avars, Dargins and Ingush (I know they are not in Dagestan but still) don't have much haplogroup diversity.
I think in Yusunbayev's work Dargins scored like 90% J1, although in later studies they also scored some Rs.

[Leto]

Dagestani (Kubachians)
They are a Dargin subgroup. Kubachi is just a damn village, a few thousand people if not less.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from Sheki. We might be witnessing a Trabzon/Erzurum like scenario here.
Y-DNA: H-M69
Mt-DNA: R1a

Gedrosia 22.16 Pct
Siberian 0.98 Pct
Northwest_African 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.74 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.59 Pct
North_European 9.77 Pct
South_Asian 1.41 Pct
East_African 2.02 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.93 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Caucasus 43.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerbaijani
3.78530052 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.76777253 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83818465 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.07355744 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.17294905 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.21539218 Turk_East
6.74237347 Azerbaijani
7.05328292 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.89126733 Yazidi_Kurd
8.60611992 Turk_Southeast
8.89142846 Kurd_Sorani
9.26711390 Turkmen_Iraq
9.47872354 Turk_Central_East
9.65877321 Kurd_Feyli
9.98415244 Armenian_East
10.40169698 Iranian_Lur
10.74748343 Turk_Ahiska
11.44470620 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.49962173 Turk_South
11.86607770 Adyghe
11.94283049 Ingush
12.21253864 Azeri_Jew
12.21456917 Turk_Central_West
12.25680627 Armenian_West
12.50072798 Iranian_Fars

[Kyp]

From Teheran (I asume ancestry from Southern Ardabil but cannot confirm):



Gedrosian: 19.87
Siberian: 2.35
Northwest_African: 0.65
Southeast_Asian: 1.57
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 7.85
South_Asian 1.55
East_African 1.36
Southwest_Asian: 12.46
East_Asian: 1.86
Caucasian: 41.22
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Teheran_Khalkhal
3.06846867 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.13071877 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
3.86799690 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.12944306 Azerbaijani
4.75230470 Turk_Southeast
5.40279557 Turk_East
5.45959705 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.55409759 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.10625908 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.25212764 Turk_Central_East
6.56607189 Azerbaijani_North
6.80663647 Turkmen_Iraq
6.99807831 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.59227239 Yazidi_Kurd
8.14472836 Turk_South
8.27647268 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.82795560 Kurd_Sorani
8.82946771 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.10861131 Turk_Central_West
9.99992000 Kurd_Feyli
10.17173535 Armenian_East
10.22975073 Iranian_Lur
10.26147163 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.75073021 Azeri_Jew
11.27106916 Assyrian_North

Target: Teheran_Khalkhal
Distance: 1.5916% / 1.59160465 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.1 Azerbaijani_Iran
37.2 Turk_East
14.7 Turk_Southeast

[Impaler]

Azerbaijani from Sheki. We might be witnessing a Trabzon/Erzurum like scenario here.
Y-DNA: H-M69
Mt-DNA: R1a

Gedrosia 22.16 Pct
Siberian 0.98 Pct
Northwest_African 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.74 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.59 Pct
North_European 9.77 Pct
South_Asian 1.41 Pct
East_African 2.02 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.93 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Caucasus 43.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerbaijani
3.78530052 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.76777253 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83818465 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.07355744 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.17294905 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.21539218 Turk_East
6.74237347 Azerbaijani
7.05328292 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.89126733 Yazidi_Kurd
8.60611992 Turk_Southeast
8.89142846 Kurd_Sorani
9.26711390 Turkmen_Iraq
9.47872354 Turk_Central_East
9.65877321 Kurd_Feyli
9.98415244 Armenian_East
10.40169698 Iranian_Lur
10.74748343 Turk_Ahiska
11.44470620 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.49962173 Turk_South
11.86607770 Adyghe
11.94283049 Ingush
12.21253864 Azeri_Jew
12.21456917 Turk_Central_West
12.25680627 Armenian_West
12.50072798 Iranian_Fars

How about Tabasarans? Are they closer to Avars, Kumys or Azeri from Dagestan?

[Sterling Archer]

double

[Sterling Archer]

double

[Sterling Archer]

How about Tabasarans? Are they closer to Avars, Kumys or Azeri from Dagestan?
It seems they are closest to Avars and Dargins. Kumyks and Azeris from Dagestan are in the middle.
Tabasarans are lezgic people, but interestingly, they are closer to Avars than to other lezgin people. Then again, Udis are lezgic people too, but they are quite distant from Lezgins and Dagestanis.

Distance to: Tabasaran
1.40872283 Avar
2.00594118 Kaitag_Dagestan
2.92316609 Lak
3.03392485 Dargin
3.70588721 Kubachi_Dagestan
4.93101409 Lezgin
9.57304027 Chechen
10.18652541 Kumyk
12.49527511 Ingush
13.91231828 Kabardin
14.07859013 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.40637012 Balkar
15.04916609 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
15.31576965 Karachay
15.40083764 Abazin
15.82677794 Circassian
16.38019231 Adyghe
17.29176683 Ossetian
19.07738452 Tajik_Lowland
19.40997424 Iranian_Khorasan
19.79564851 Tajik_Mountain
20.04521639 Ossetian_South
20.16624407 Turkmen_TM
20.35342477 Nogai
20.66262084 Pamiri_Rushan

[Impaler]

It seems they are closest to Avars and Dargins. Kumyks and Azeris from Dagestan are in the middle.
Tabasarans are lezgic people, but interestingly, they are closer to Avars than to other lezgin people. Then again, Udis are lezgic people too, but they are quite distant from Lezgins and Dagestanis.

Distance to: Tabasaran
1.40872283 Avar
2.00594118 Kaitag_Dagestan
2.92316609 Lak
3.03392485 Dargin
3.70588721 Kubachi_Dagestan
4.93101409 Lezgin
9.57304027 Chechen
10.18652541 Kumyk
12.49527511 Ingush
13.91231828 Kabardin
14.07859013 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.40637012 Balkar
15.04916609 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
15.31576965 Karachay
15.40083764 Abazin
15.82677794 Circassian
16.38019231 Adyghe
17.29176683 Ossetian
19.07738452 Tajik_Lowland
19.40997424 Iranian_Khorasan
19.79564851 Tajik_Mountain
20.04521639 Ossetian_South
20.16624407 Turkmen_TM
20.35342477 Nogai
20.66262084 Pamiri_Rushan

Very interesting people! They could pass easily as fully Iranians/MENA. This presenter for example looks 100% MENA.

https://youtu.be/CSATWOKx9E8?t=125

[Leto]

Very interesting people! They could pass easily as fully Iranians/MENA. This presenter for example looks 100% MENA.

https://youtu.be/CSATWOKx9E8?t=125
Most Caucasians do not look European. In Russia they're considered "blacks" (chorny). Sometimes they're light, sometimes comparable to Balkanites or Southern Europeans (a Spanish guy for ex told me some Chechens can pass as Spanish) but many or most still look West Asian i.e. more similar to their Southern neighbors than to Northern. I didn't know this was news for you. Particularly North Caucasians also have that distinct Muslim look. I don't know how to explain that but Armenians and Georgians usually don't look Muslim. Balkan Slavs say the same about Bosnians by the way.

[Sterling Archer]

Very interesting people! They could pass easily as fully Iranians/MENA. This presenter for example looks 100% MENA.

https://youtu.be/CSATWOKx9E8?t=125

Yes, the same is true of some Vainakhs for example, who sometimes look almost like Arabs.

But these are just isolated examples. On average, Tabasarans together with other people of Caucasus, will have much fairer complexion than Iranians/MENA.

[Sterling Archer]

Most Caucasians do not look European. In Russia they're considered "blacks" (chorny). Sometimes they're light, sometimes comparable to Balkanites or Southern Europeans (a Spanish guy for ex told me some Chechens can pass as Spanish) but many or most still look West Asian i.e. more similar to their Southern neighbors than to Northern. I didn't know this was news for you. Particularly North Caucasians also have that distinct Muslim look. I don't know how to explain that but Armenians and Georgians usually don't look Muslim. Balkan Slavs say the same about Bosnians by the way.

Many southern Europeans look West Asian to be honest. Having studied with many of them, majority of Italians could walk into our region and wouldn't stand out, except for their outfit. Portuguese can be even darker still.
And "looking Europenan" is wildly used frase, that I don't feel like means much. Italian, Greek look nothing like Swede or Dane. There is no common European look.
There are many Romanians in Scandinavia for example, and they stand out starkly from locals. Majority have dark hair and dark eyes.

[Leto]

Many southern Europeans look West Asian to be honest. Having studied with many of them, majority of Italians could walk into our region and wouldn't stand out, except for their outfit. Portuguese can be even darker still.
And "looking Europenan" is wildly used frase, that I don't feel like means much. Italian, Greek look nothing like Swede or Dane. There is no common European look.
There are many Romanians in Scandinavia for example, and they stand out starkly from locals. Majority have dark hair and dark eyes.
Dark eyes and hair is one thing, overall facial features is another. Southern Euros still look different from Arabs and Turks, that's for sure. Of course you can find ambiguous cases here and there but they're not the rule.

Let's not turn this thread into a taxonomy discussion. We're already coming up to 100 pages.

[Leto]

Some recent North Caucasian results (there is at least one account that frequently uploads new Chechens)

The first one looks Caucasus Turkic to me, the others must be Chechens

Gedrosia 15.57 Pct
Siberian 3.74 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.3 Pct
North_European 20.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.9 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_Asian 3.92 Pct
Caucasus 44.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 19.35 Pct
Siberian 4.93 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.79 Pct
North_European 20.82 Pct
South_Asian 1.32 Pct
East_African 0.52 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.82 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 20.57 Pct
Siberian 0.35 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.2 Pct
North_European 18.99 Pct
South_Asian 1.12 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.88 Pct
East_Asian 2.21 Pct
Caucasus 45.57 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Gedrosia 21.89 Pct
Siberian 4.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.28 Pct
North_European 20.3 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.41 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 44.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Sterling Archer]

Gedrosia 15.57 Pct
Siberian 3.74 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.3 Pct
North_European 20.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.9 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_Asian 3.92 Pct
Caucasus 44.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: chechen?
3.61114940 Balkar
3.62472068 Circassian
3.85641025 Abazin
4.28167023 Karachay
4.58223744 Kabardin
5.78748650 Adyghe
6.29476767 Ossetian
6.57396380 Kumyk
7.69161882 Ingush
8.21151630 Chechen
10.20703679 Ossetian_South
11.75474372 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.29010147 Lak


Gedrosia 19.35 Pct
Siberian 4.93 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.79 Pct
North_European 20.82 Pct
South_Asian 1.32 Pct
East_African 0.52 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.82 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: chechen2
4.70387075 Kumyk
4.74293158 Chechen
4.83188369 Kabardin
5.21010557 Balkar
5.52782959 Abazin
5.56693812 Ingush
5.67178103 Karachay
5.96534995 Circassian
6.86084543 Adyghe
7.54886084 Ossetian
9.60446771 Lak
10.52458075 Lezgin


Gedrosia 20.57 Pct
Siberian 0.35 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.2 Pct
North_European 18.99 Pct
South_Asian 1.12 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.88 Pct
East_Asian 2.21 Pct
Caucasus 45.57 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Distance to: chechen?
4.11780281 Ingush
4.19722527 Adyghe
5.28319032 Chechen
5.33351666 Karachay
5.36182805 Ossetian
5.36733640 Circassian
5.63832422 Balkar
6.11497343 Kumyk
6.23406769 Abazin
6.66243199 Kabardin
8.09893203 Ossetian_South
9.54929840 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

[Sterling Archer]

Gedrosia 21.89 Pct
Siberian 4.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.28 Pct
North_European 20.3 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.41 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 44.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: chechen?
3.33396161 Chechen
3.50152824 Ingush
4.91622823 Balkar
5.10605523 Karachay
5.94841996 Adyghe
5.95341079 Kumyk
6.06143547 Ossetian
6.07289881 Circassian
6.39141612 Abazin
7.02434339 Kabardin
8.86724873 Ossetian_South

[Leto]

Okay, since a certain user has ignored it, I'm posting it myself

Gedrosia 20.74 Pct
Siberian 1.84 Pct
Northwest_African 0.72 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.16 Pct
North_European 10.93 Pct
South_Asian 2.76 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.68 Pct
East_Asian 2.2 Pct
Caucasus 41.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lala
3.51253470 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.68135844 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.13499757 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.29561139 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.40886885 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.73239928 Turk_Southeast
7.10477304 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.14370352 Turk_Central_East
7.18274321 Turk_East
7.31670008 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: Lala
Distance: 1.5568% / 1.55681621 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.9 Azerbaijani_Turkey
24.5 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.7 Adyghe

I'm on the phone now, in case anyone wants to run the 2-way oracle:
Lala,20.74,1.84,0.72,0.83,9.16,10.93,2.76,0,9.68,2 .2,41.13,0

[Leto]

New Georgian result.

Could you and Kyp collect all confirmed Udi samples in one place?

[Impaler]

Okay, since a certain user has ignored it, I'm posting it myself




Distance to: Lala
0.99621387 68.40% Armenian_East + 31.60% Tajik_Lowland
1.30055854 18.20% Pamiri_Shughnan + 81.80% Turk_East
1.32312321 18.60% Pamiri_Rushan + 81.40% Turk_East
1.46183659 17.40% Pamiri_Ishkashim + 82.60% Turk_East
1.48863668 21.40% Tajik_Lowland + 78.60% Turk_East
1.53524459 67.80% Armenian_East + 32.20% Tajik_Mountain
1.53801394 77.60% Turk_East + 22.40% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
1.69611399 59.80% Greek_Pontus + 40.20% Tajik_Lowland
1.74684699 81.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 18.80% Chechen
1.87019582 78.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 21.60% Ingush
1.92199725 72.80% Armenian_East + 27.20% Pamiri_Shughnan
1.98133850 21.60% Tajik_Mountain + 78.40% Turk_East
1.99955083 86.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 13.20% Dargin_Kubachi
2.04767900 37.60% Kabardin + 62.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.06423034 86.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.00% Lak
2.06671153 79.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 20.60% Kumyk
2.07241844 72.40% Armenian_East + 27.60% Pamiri_Rushan
2.07863298 21.80% Adyghe + 78.20% Azerbaijani_Republic
2.08014086 20.60% Adyghe + 79.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.08518176 64.60% Greek_Pontus + 35.40% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.08594218 36.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 63.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.08671645 59.00% Greek_Pontus + 41.00% Tajik_Mountain
2.10313171 37.80% Abazin + 62.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.10359350 73.80% Armenian_East + 26.20% Pamiri_Ishkashim
2.10543051 84.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 15.40% Tabasaran

[Sterling Archer]

Could you and Kyp collect all confirmed Udi samples in one place?
I'll send the kits I have to him.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from the Republic:

Gedrosia 21.19 Pct
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Northwest_African 1.19 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.87 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.58 Pct
North_European 13.81 Pct
South_Asian 2.45 Pct
East_African 1.05 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.25 Pct
East_Asian 1.19 Pct
Caucasus 41.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azim
3.51592093 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.45987616 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.18511656 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.63016383 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.90434058 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.36596079 Ingush
8.45682565 Kumyk
8.57123678 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.14304654 Adyghe
9.20286912 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.80057141 Abazin
9.80479475 Turk_Southeast
9.80524350 Kabardin
9.82135429 Turk_East
9.93126377 Karachay
10.10442972 Circassian
10.23162255 Chechen
10.32395757 Turk_Central_East
10.57536288 Balkar
10.60656401 Yazidi_Kurd
10.63173551 Ossetian
11.12045862 Kurd_Sorani
11.17404135 Turk_South
11.60915156 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.70888979 Turkmen_Iraq

[Leto]

Some recent North Caucasian results (there is at least one account that frequently uploads new Chechens)
Two new women

Gedrosia 21.89 Pct
Siberian 1.23 Pct
Northwest_African 0.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.37 Pct
North_European 21.92 Pct
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_African 0.39 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.95 Pct
East_Asian 1.55 Pct
Caucasus 41.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Selima
2.50493513 Chechen
3.67781185 Kumyk
5.08748464 Ingush
6.18266933 Tabasaran
6.67293788 Balkar
6.88194013 Lak
7.04364962 Kabardin
7.38704271 Karachay
7.39719541 Lezgin
7.82756028 Circassian

Target: Selima
Distance: 1.8437% / 1.84366047 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.6 Chechen
30.4 Kumyk
11.0 Dargin_Kaitag


Gedrosia 21.61 Pct
Siberian 2.54 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4 Pct
North_European 21.46 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.54 Pct
East_Asian 1.98 Pct
Caucasus 44.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Seda
2.64329340 Chechen
3.86610916 Ingush
5.08295190 Balkar
5.63968971 Karachay
5.64563548 Kumyk
5.96759583 Adyghe
6.36015723 Circassian
6.45001550 Ossetian
6.94458782 Abazin
7.33984332 Kabardin

Target: Seda
Distance: 1.8367% / 1.83673311 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.2 Chechen
14.3 Ossetian_South
9.5 Balkar

[Kyp]

Average of Iraqi_Nineveh(arab-speakers):
n=14
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Ninawa_in_Iraq.svg

Gedrosian: 18.08
Siberian: 0.48
Northwest_African: 2.41
Southeast_Asian: 0.33
Atlantic_Med: 9.06
North_European: 4.07
South_Asian 2.38
East_African 2.91
Southwest_Asian: 20.91
East_Asian: 0.96
Caucasian: 38.13
SSA: 0.58

Distance to: Iraqi_Nineveh
1.39071924 Iraqi_Baghdad
5.58659109 Arab_Iran
6.74593211 Syrian_Muslim
6.84994890 Turkmen_Iraq
7.19091788 Iraqi_Arab
7.20746141 Lebanese_Muslim
7.21052009 Mandean
8.41973277 Kurdish_Jew
8.52488710 Iraqi_Jew
9.55849884 Turk_Southeast
9.61925673 Azeri_Jew
9.83154108 Assyrian_South
10.16817093 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.24599922 Assyrian_North
10.37038572 Assyrian_West
10.60312690 Palestinian
10.75126504 Nusayri_Turkey
10.77775023 Iraqi_DhiQar
10.99403929 Yazidi_Kurd
11.03712372 Jordanian_Muslim
11.20571729 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.48095379 Kurd_Sorani
11.57884709 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.89221174 Lebanese_Christian
11.91236333 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Iraqi_Mossul
Distance: 0.9713% / 0.97132937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
83.9 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.5 Syrian_Muslim
5.6 Assyrian_West

[Leto]

Average of Iraqi_Nineveh(arab-speakers):
n=14

I'm a little bit surprised it came out 4% North European.:)

[Leto]

Someone should make a Druze average (Israel, Syria, Lebanon).

[Mejgusu]

I'm a little bit surprised it came out 4% North European.:)

Definitely Kurdish/Persian influence. I think many Kurds are just assimilated there and/or during the history some kind of Persian influence.

[Impaler]

I have 2 cousins from my GEDmatch list.

1st maybe Eastern Turk + Caucasian? 2nd I guess is Armenian.

1.

https://i.ibb.co/gZjPJ7B/1.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Distance to: Cousin1
5.75995660 Armenian_East
7.00686092 Turk_East
7.69518681 Armenian_West
8.28211326 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.00817962 Greek_Pontus
9.22760532 Assyrian_West
9.53104926 Assyrian_North
9.59551458 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.66067285 Assyrian_South
9.71554939 Azeri_Jew


Target: Cousin1
Distance: 1.8103% / 1.81028248 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.6 Turk_East_Black_Sea
24.8 Abazin
14.2 Yemenite_Mahra
1.4 Greek_Cappadocia

Target: Cousin1
Distance: 1.8145% / 1.81445086 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.7 Turk_East_Black_Sea
24.9 Abazin
14.4 Yemenite_Mahra


Distance to: Cousin1
3.10985035 52.40% Abkhazian + 47.60% Jordanian_Christian
3.19647677 50.60% Abkhazian + 49.40% Palestinian_Christian
3.25328622 48.40% Ossetian_South + 51.60% Palestinian_Christian
3.34133955 50.00% Jordanian_Christian + 50.00% Ossetian_South
3.38895297 52.00% Abkhazian + 48.00% Syrian_SW_Christian
3.44525930 49.60% Ossetian_South + 50.40% Syrian_SW_Christian
3.67697963 46.60% Abkhazian + 53.40% Lebanese_Christian
3.69026475 55.80% Lebanese_Christian + 44.20% Ossetian_South
3.97598029 48.20% Georgian_Svan + 51.80% Jordanian_Christian
4.03831783 46.40% Georgian_Svan + 53.60% Palestinian_Christian

[Impaler]

2.

https://i.ibb.co/CznZQLG/2.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Distance to: Cousin2
4.86346584 Armenian_West
6.20660938 Greek_Cappadocia
6.94712171 Armenian_East
6.97076036 Assyrian_West
7.68369703 Assyrian_South
7.74000646 Assyrian_North
8.09643749 Greek_Pontus
8.18767977 Nusayri_Turkey
8.31832315 Azeri_Jew
8.79227502 Turk_East


Target: Cousin2
Distance: 1.5676% / 1.56757193 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.0 Armenian_West
22.1 Greek_Pontus
6.0 Morocco_Jews
5.9 Sardinian

Target: Cousin2
Distance: 2.3739% / 2.37386730 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.8 Armenian_West
22.0 Greek_Cappadocia
9.2 Morocco_Jews

Distance to: Cousin2
2.07603426 92.00% Armenian_West + 8.00% Sardinian
2.55810126 81.60% Armenian_West + 18.40% Sephardic_Jews
2.71392909 84.60% Armenian_West + 15.40% Morocco_Jews
2.82627969 58.20% Armenian_West + 41.80% Greek_Cappadocia
2.91924671 90.60% Armenian_West + 9.40% French_Corsica
2.93884530 78.40% Armenian_West + 21.60% Greek_Rhodes
2.96224023 72.00% Armenian_West + 28.00% Greek_Cypriot
2.96920196 84.40% Armenian_West + 15.60% Italian_Calabria
2.98631848 81.80% Armenian_West + 18.20% Greek_Icaria
2.99954143 84.00% Armenian_West + 16.00% Italian_Jews

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani from Nakhchivan:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Nakhchivan_Autonomous_Republic_in_Azerbaijan_2021. svg

Gedrosia: 21.46
Siberian: 2.40
NW_African: 0.77
SE_Asian: 2.73
Atlantic_Med: 6.65
North_European: 10.43
South Asian: 1.91
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.62
East_Asian: 1.65
Caucasus: 39.39
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Nakhchivan
3.46291784 Azerbaijani_Republic
3.67728160 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.81538989 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.27804862 Azerbaijani_North
4.75933819 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.81682044 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.11563570 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.17673862 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.55146548 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.78944769 Turk_Southeast
7.27139601 Yazidi_Kurd
7.31251667 Turkmen_Iraq
7.66284542 Kurd_Sorani
8.19473001 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.90946126 Turk_Central_East
9.05551765 Turk_East
9.06217413 Kurd_Feyli
9.46618191 Turk_South
9.85097965 Iranian_Lur
10.19397371 Iranian_Fars
10.33587926 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.84558897 Turk_Central_West
11.74385797 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.94487756 Iranian_Khorasan

Target: Azerbaijani_Nakhchivan
Distance: 1.9401% / 1.94009692 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.9 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
32.6 Turkmen_Iraq
21.6 Azerbaijani_Republic
1.9 Cambodians

[Mejgusu]

I have 2 cousins from my GEDmatch list.

1st maybe Eastern Turk + Caucasian? 2nd I guess is Armenian.

1.

https://i.ibb.co/gZjPJ7B/1.png (https://imgbb.com/)



2.

https://i.ibb.co/CznZQLG/2.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Both results seem to be odd, first one cant be Turkish, not even Eastern Turk, it really could be Caucasian+Levantine/Jordanian mix. Second one could be an Anatolian Greek/Armenian mix.

[Aren]

Average of Iraqi_Nineveh(arab-speakers):
n=14
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Ninawa_in_Iraq.svg

Gedrosian: 18.08
Siberian: 0.48
Northwest_African: 2.41
Southeast_Asian: 0.33
Atlantic_Med: 9.06
North_European: 4.07
South_Asian 2.38
East_African 2.91
Southwest_Asian: 20.91
East_Asian: 0.96
Caucasian: 38.13
SSA: 0.58

Distance to: Iraqi_Nineveh
1.39071924 Iraqi_Baghdad
5.58659109 Arab_Iran
6.74593211 Syrian_Muslim
6.84994890 Turkmen_Iraq
7.19091788 Iraqi_Arab
7.20746141 Lebanese_Muslim
7.21052009 Mandean
8.41973277 Kurdish_Jew
8.52488710 Iraqi_Jew
9.55849884 Turk_Southeast
9.61925673 Azeri_Jew
9.83154108 Assyrian_South
10.16817093 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.24599922 Assyrian_North
10.37038572 Assyrian_West
10.60312690 Palestinian
10.75126504 Nusayri_Turkey
10.77775023 Iraqi_DhiQar
10.99403929 Yazidi_Kurd
11.03712372 Jordanian_Muslim
11.20571729 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.48095379 Kurd_Sorani
11.57884709 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.89221174 Lebanese_Christian
11.91236333 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Iraqi_Mossul
Distance: 0.9713% / 0.97132937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
83.9 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.5 Syrian_Muslim
5.6 Assyrian_West
Which of the kits did you use?

[Kyp]

Which of the kits did you use?

from Iraqi DNA Project (mainly from Mossul)

Obviously I excluded Assyrians or other non-arabs from Nineveh.

[Aren]

from Iraqi DNA Project (mainly from Mossul)

Obviously I excluded Assyrians or other non-arabs from Nineveh.

Are there really 14 Arabs from the Ninieveh region on Gedmatch?

[Mejgusu]

Idk from which period, but it is an ancient sample from Central Anatolia.

AncientCentAnato
Gedrosia: 0 Pct
Siberian: 0 Pct
NW-African: 2.72 Pct
SE-Asian: 0.43 Pct
Atl_Med: 47.91 Pct
North European: 4.32 Pct
South Asian: 0 Pct
East African: 0 Pct
SW-Asian: 11.6 Pct
East Asian: 0 Pct
Caucasus: 31.47 Pct
SSA: 1.55 Pct

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 5.3401% / 5.34012202 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.6 Sardinian
28.4 Greek_Cypriot

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.0815% / 6.08154004 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.3 Sardinian
21.4 Sephardic_Jews
12.3 Greek_Icaria

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.1541% / 6.15406915 | ADC: 1x RC
65.9 Sardinian
34.1 Sephardic_Jews

[Kyp]

Are there really 14 Arabs from the Ninieveh region on Gedmatch?

10 from Mosul
3 from Nineveh (non-specific)
I think I also included 1 result from Shirqat

[Kyp]

Iranian Teheran average (n=18)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tehran_in_Iran.svg

Gedrosian: 26.95
Siberian: 1.65
Northwest_African: 0.63
Southeast_Asian: 0.77
Atlantic_Med: 6.28
North_European: 7.31
South_Asian 5.15
East_African 0.65
Southwest_Asian: 12.16
East_Asian: 1.12
Caucasian: 36.91
SSA: 0.43

Distance to: Iranian_Teheran
1.35539662 Iran_Central
3.53266189 Iranian_Fars
4.05349232 Kurd_Sorani
4.35763697 Yazidi_Kurd
5.00211955 Iranian_Lur
5.06448418 Kurd_Feyli
5.63646166 Iranian_Kerman
5.68330010 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.71597761 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.28337489 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.53488332 Iranian_Khorasan
7.31760207 Turkmen_Iraq
7.58185993 Azerbaijani_Republic
8.24515009 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.97014493 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.79687195 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.02644095 Turk_Southeast
12.25170192 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.87975155 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.87102015 Turk_East
14.27458581 Parsi_India
14.28334345 Turk_Central_East
14.49110072 Turk_South
15.10079468 Turkmen_TM
15.23242922 Arab_Iran

Target: Iranian_Teheran
Distance: 2.0099% / 2.00991900 | ADC: 1x RC
65.8 Iranian_Fars
34.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Dr_Maul]

Iranian Teheran average (n=18)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tehran_in_Iran.svg

Gedrosian: 26.95
Siberian: 1.65
Northwest_African: 0.63
Southeast_Asian: 0.77
Atlantic_Med: 6.28
North_European: 7.31
South_Asian 5.15
East_African 0.65
Southwest_Asian: 12.16
East_Asian: 1.12
Caucasian: 36.91
SSA: 0.43

Distance to: Iranian_Teheran
1.35539662 Iran_Central
3.53266189 Iranian_Fars
4.05349232 Kurd_Sorani
4.35763697 Yazidi_Kurd
5.00211955 Iranian_Lur
5.06448418 Kurd_Feyli
5.63646166 Iranian_Kerman
5.68330010 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.71597761 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.28337489 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.53488332 Iranian_Khorasan
7.31760207 Turkmen_Iraq
7.58185993 Azerbaijani_Republic
8.24515009 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.97014493 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.79687195 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.02644095 Turk_Southeast
12.25170192 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.87975155 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.87102015 Turk_East
14.27458581 Parsi_India
14.28334345 Turk_Central_East
14.49110072 Turk_South
15.10079468 Turkmen_TM
15.23242922 Arab_Iran

Target: Iranian_Teheran
Distance: 2.0099% / 2.00991900 | ADC: 1x RC
65.8 Iranian_Fars
34.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Interesting, it is not as Azeri shifted as I expected (unless you omitted those result)

[Dr_Maul]

Idk from which period, but it is an ancient sample from Central Anatolia.

AncientCentAnato
Gedrosia: 0 Pct
Siberian: 0 Pct
NW-African: 2.72 Pct
SE-Asian: 0.43 Pct
Atl_Med: 47.91 Pct
North European: 4.32 Pct
South Asian: 0 Pct
East African: 0 Pct
SW-Asian: 11.6 Pct
East Asian: 0 Pct
Caucasus: 31.47 Pct
SSA: 1.55 Pct

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 5.3401% / 5.34012202 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.6 Sardinian
28.4 Greek_Cypriot

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.0815% / 6.08154004 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.3 Sardinian
21.4 Sephardic_Jews
12.3 Greek_Icaria

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.1541% / 6.15406915 | ADC: 1x RC
65.9 Sardinian
34.1 Sephardic_Jews

Must be neolithic

[Kyp]

Iranian from Yazd:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Yazd_in_Iran.svg

Gedrosia: 28.16
Siberian: 1.95
NW_African: 0.94
SE_Asian: 2.10
Atlantic_Med: 4.95
North_European: 11.45
South Asian: 4.90
East_African: 0.39
SW_Asian: 11.85
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 33.32
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iranian_Yazd
5.15436708 Iranian_Kerman
5.35439072 Iranian_Khorasan
6.06917622 Iran_Central
6.47960647 Iranian_Fars
8.60046510 Kurd_Sorani
9.08274188 Yazidi_Kurd
9.83263952 Kurd_Feyli
9.85089844 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.14819688 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.23682568 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.24285117 Iranian_Lur
10.49736634 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.89370919 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.98366970 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.63441877 Turkmen_Iraq
12.55715334 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.95340882 Turkmen_TM
13.99926427 Turk_Southeast
14.03448966 Lezgin
14.06895874 Parsi_India
15.04146934 Iranian_Bandari
15.09997351 Tajik_Herat
15.99383631 Tabasaran
16.06107717 Udi_Azerbaijan
16.27418508 Kumyk

Target: Iranian_Yazd
Distance: 1.6598% / 1.65977014 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.2 Iranian_Kerman
27.4 Lezgin
11.8 Iranian_Fars
3.4 Kuwait2
1.9 Cambodians
1.3 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan


Significant match:


Gedrosia: 26.40
Siberian: 1.54
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.02
North_European: 10.24
South Asian: 6.02
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 13.50
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 36.18
SSA: 0.12

Distance to: match
3.41947364 Iran_Central
5.03545430 Iranian_Fars
5.53880854 Iranian_Kerman
5.57134634 Kurd_Sorani
6.39081372 Yazidi_Kurd
6.45022480 Iranian_Khorasan
6.97592288 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.06511854 Kurd_Feyli
7.39351743 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.45780128 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.52295819 Iranian_Lur
8.23072293 Turkmen_Iraq
8.42229779 Azerbaijani_Republic
9.38988818 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.93607568 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.06731345 Iranian_Mazandaran
11.40682690 Turk_Southeast
12.98862194 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.34979026 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.22769482 Parsi_India
14.70029251 Turk_Central_East
14.73195506 Turk_South
14.75166092 Turk_East
15.18757058 Turkmen_TM
15.22997702 Arab_Iran

Target: match
Distance: 1.7286% / 1.72859075 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.6 Iran_Central
17.0 Iranian_Kerman
13.5 Dargin_Kaitag
3.9 Kuwait2

[Impaler]

Mandean/Arab_Iran?

https://i.ibb.co/4T3h5Z3/mandean.png (https://i.ibb.co/4T3h5Z3/mandean.png
picture to url)
(https://imgbb.com/)

Distance to: Mandean
4.99856980 Kurdish_Jew
5.18987476 Mandean
5.25053331 Azeri_Jew
5.72849020 Assyrian_South
5.87653810 Iraqi_Jew
5.89568486 Assyrian_North
6.37335861 Assyrian_West
7.79356786 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.27385033 Armenian_West
9.48726515 Turkmen_Iraq
10.58503188 Armenian_East
10.84349114 Turk_East
10.89724277 Lebanese_Muslim
11.01654211 Arab_Iran
11.29849548 Syrian_Muslim
11.33078550 Nusayri_Turkey
11.55484747 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.63217521 Lebanese_Christian
12.02440435 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.63930773 Turk_Southeast
12.72060926 Iraqi_Arab
12.80560815 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.86221210 Kurd_Sorani
12.94535824 Kurd_Feyli
13.00685588 Yazidi_Kurd


Target: Mandean
Distance: 1.5907% / 1.59074740 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.9 Kurdish_Jew
24.1 Arab_Iran
23.0 Georgian_Svan
7.9 Kuwait2
1.1 Georgian_Gurian


Target: Mandean
Distance: 2.6659% / 2.66585633 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.4 Kurdish_Jew
27.4 Arab_Iran
15.2 Abkhazian


Distance to: Mandean
3.52806463 40.00% Hemshin + 60.00% Arab_Iran
3.53868188 72.80% Azeri_Jew + 27.20% Arab_Iran
3.54405902 43.80% Hemshin + 56.20% Iraqi_Arab
3.59964750 39.40% Georgian_Adjara + 60.60% Iraqi_Arab
3.65857472 58.20% Iraqi_Arab + 41.80% Laz
3.66770747 29.40% Saudi + 70.60% Turk_Ahiska
3.67949284 36.80% Georgian_Imereti + 63.20% Iraqi_Arab
3.68887208 69.20% Assyrian_North + 30.80% Arab_Iran
3.70001417 62.00% Arab_Iran + 38.00% Laz
3.79881070 77.00% Azeri_Jew + 23.00% Iraqi_Arab
3.81261170 89.40% Azeri_Jew + 10.60% Kuwait1
3.82352330 32.60% Kuwait1 + 67.40% Turk_Ahiska
3.82452560 9.20% Dargin_Kaitag + 90.80% Kurdish_Jew
3.83852305 90.40% Kurdish_Jew + 9.60% Lak
3.83887837 11.20% Chechen + 88.80% Kurdish_Jew
3.84332046 70.80% Assyrian_South + 29.20% Arab_Iran
3.84961470 9.20% Avar + 90.80% Kurdish_Jew
3.87833358 11.80% Kumyk + 88.20% Kurdish_Jew
3.87841153 9.20% Dargin_Kubachi + 90.80% Kurdish_Jew
3.88869338 89.60% Kurdish_Jew + 10.40% Lezgin
3.94498848 11.40% Balkar + 88.60% Kurdish_Jew
3.94812944 90.20% Kurdish_Jew + 9.80% Tabasaran
3.95075605 8.40% Dargin + 91.60% Kurdish_Jew
3.96374579 91.20% Azeri_Jew + 8.80% Saudi
3.96914615 41.80% Greek_Pontus + 58.20% Arab_Iran

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani (100%) of Mughal originfrom Aşağı Tala, Zaqatala:
https://i.imgur.com/9sWYuWm.png

Gedrosia 22.77
Siberian 2.1
NW_African 0
SE_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 6.16
North_European 16.48
South_Asian 1.29
East_African 0
SW_Asian 7.89
East_Asian 0
Caucasus 43.28
SSA 0

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Zagatala
4.96836995 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.14968931 Ingush
6.72790458 Kumyk
6.80425602 Chechen
6.82879931 Adyghe
8.12418611 Karachay
8.35918656 Ossetian
8.48730228 Circassian
8.54809920 Abazin
8.66584676 Balkar
8.74923997 Kabardin
9.48501977 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.94961808 Lezgin
10.04916912 Azerbaijani_Republic
10.42693627 Tabasaran
10.48249493 Ossetian_South
10.68018258 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.97704423 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.25265302 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.82284653 Lak
12.21763480 Turk_East
12.22117834 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.01463791 Dargin_Kubachi
13.46806222 Turk_Central_East
13.51924924 Avar

[Leto]

Azerbaijani (100%) of Mughal originfrom Aşağı Tala, Zaqatala:

You seem to love low Mongoloid Azerbaijanis. I mean that individual is only fucking 2 percent. :D

[Leto]

I wonder if Ilham Aliyev is more Mongoloid than Recep Erdogan.

[Sterling Archer]

You seem to love low Mongoloid Azerbaijanis. I mean that individual is only fucking 2 percent. :D

No, they just posted it on their site. After all, I am not that low mongoloid myself ))

[Sterling Archer]

I wonder if Ilham Aliyev is more Mongoloid than Recep Erdogan.

I think Ilham woulds score higher. He is from Armenia/Nakhchivan area. They score decent amount of EA ancestry.
If Erdogan is really Georgian as people claim, then he would score nothing.

[Leto]

Target: Zaqatala
Distance: 1.7464% / 1.74643198 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.6 Chechen
30.6 Udi_Azerbaijan
20.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Heavily North Caucasian.

[Leto]

I think Ilham woulds score higher. He is from Armenia/Nakhchivan area. They score decent amount of EA ancestry.
If Erdogan is really Georgian as people claim, then he would score nothing.
Makes sense. Heydar wasn't even from the Russian sector (I was told). Ilham is totally Rus sector though.

[Sterling Archer]

You seem to love low Mongoloid Azerbaijanis. I mean that individual is only fucking 2 percent. :D
This one is for you. Plenty of EA :)

Azerbaijani from Imishli(1/2) + Tatar, Kazak,Rusian mix.

Gedrosia 12.83
Siberian 4.78
NW_African 0.63
SE_Asian 1.04
Atlantic_Med 12.82
North_European 29.34
South_Asian 1.71
East_African 0
SW_Asian 6.37
East_Asian 5.94
Caucasus 23.61
SSA 0.56


Distance to: Azer
11.12474719 Turk_Deliorman
11.42029334 Turk_Trakya
13.82626486 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.89290466 Lipka_Tatar
15.34051173 Pomak_Greece
15.46435902 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.64296008 Turk_Makedonya
15.78756789 Moldovan_Gagauz
16.37462671 Bulgarian_East
16.95348932 Greek_Macedonia
17.01649494 Pomak_Bulgaria
17.18183052 Moldovan_South
17.18891212 Bulgarian_Central
17.50296546 Bulgarian_Thrace
17.66659560 Bulgarian_West

Distance to: Azer
2.81994880 50.20% Moldovan_North + 49.80% Turkmen_Iran
2.86656768 45.00% Azerbaijani_Republic + 55.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.95125160 45.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 55.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.11278909 44.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 55.20% Tatar_Mishar
3.21763338 53.80% Tatar_Mishar + 46.20% Turk_Southeast
3.24051989 55.60% Turkmen_Iran + 44.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
3.62654870 49.40% Bosnian + 50.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.76458910 42.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 57.60% Tatar_Mishar
3.77049317 52.80% Moldovan_North + 47.20% Turkmen_TM
3.81172039 41.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 58.80% Tatar_Mishar
3.85403109 52.80% Moldovan_Central + 47.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.89328565 41.80% Turkmen_Iraq + 58.20% Tatar_Mishar
3.89349464 53.40% Tatar_Mishar + 46.60% Turk_Central_East
3.93894474 51.20% Tatar_Mishar + 48.80% Turk_South
3.94558505 47.80% Croat + 52.20% Turkmen_Iran
4.04904887 60.20% Turkmen_Iran + 39.80% Ukrainian
4.05843331 58.40% Tatar_Mishar + 41.60% Turk_East
4.06061746 53.00% Turkmen_TM + 47.00% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
4.10844082 34.80% Finnish_East + 65.20% Turk_South
4.14512185 58.20% Tatar_Mishar + 41.80% Yazidi_Kurd
4.15337007 36.60% Karelian + 63.40% Turk_South
4.17747771 37.20% Azeri_Jew + 62.80% Tatar_Mishar
4.17858871 44.80% Russian_Ural + 55.20% Turk_Southeast
4.18516987 58.60% Tatar_Mishar + 41.40% Udi_Azerbaijan
4.21140946 42.00% Russian_Ural + 58.00% Turk_South

[Sterling Archer]

Makes sense. Heydar wasn't even from the Russian sector (I was told). Ilham is totally Rus sector though.
Yeah, Heydar's Russian is heavily accented. You can actually see it on YouTube.

[Leto]

This one is for you. Plenty of EA :)

Azerbaijani from Imishli(1/2) + Tatar, Kazak,Rusian mix.

Well, in Turkey that'd be average. We have a guy from the Black Sea here with the exact same percentage.
Do you know what that mixed person looks like?

[Leto]

Yeah, Heydar's Russian is heavily accented. You can actually see it on YouTube.
Maybe he acquired it later but as a kid he didn't speak Russian.

[Sterling Archer]

Iranian Teheran average (n=18)

Are these Persian speaking or general Iranians? I feel like Iranian is like American, can mean anything ))

[Kyp]

Are these Persian speaking or general Iranians? I feel like Iranian is like American, can mean anything ))

Persian. Yazd is exclusively Persian. Maybe the most Persian province.


Btw what does Mughal refer to? haven't heard of it in Azerbaijani context.

[Sterling Archer]

Btw what does Mughal refer to? haven't heard of it in Azerbaijani context.
No idea, to be honest. I just assumed it to be Mughal people, but you are right, it is not commonly used in Azerbaijan.
I hear some Dagestanis call Azerbaijanis Mughals, but even that is not that common. Kadjar is more widely used.

Here is how Lezgi wiki refers to Azeris: Азербайжанар, Кьажарар, Мугъулар, ЦӀапар

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani (100%) of Mughal originfrom Aşağı Tala, Zaqatala:


Here his significant match (+250cM), it was only one result the other kit was the same person I realized.

He is listed as 50% Talysh 50%Tsakhur:

Gedrosia: 23.36
Siberian: 1.62
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.82
North_European: 13.57
South Asian: 0.56
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.08
East_Asian: 2.14
Caucasus: 42.85
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Talysh/Tsakhur
3.15407673 Azerbaijani_North
3.94791084 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.91772361 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.30169158 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.61639679 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.71240559 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.90241735 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.14201449 Ingush
8.16768633 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.10615726 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.25391809 Adyghe
9.40234013 Kumyk
9.56651974 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.10992087 Turk_East
10.35820448 Chechen
10.42798638 Karachay
10.47354286 Yazidi_Kurd
10.57529669 Kurd_Sorani
10.59979717 Ossetian
10.65471727 Circassian
10.71494750 Abazin
11.04713990 Turk_Southeast
11.09294370 Balkar
11.11198002 Kabardin
11.34268487 Kurd_Feyli

Target: Azer
Distance: 1.3790% / 1.37901141 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.5 Azerbaijani_North
12.4 Lezgin
10.7 Georgian_Svan
6.6 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.8 Iranian_Mazandaran

[Sterling Archer]

Here his significant match (+250cM), it was only one results the other kit was the same person I realized.

He is listed as 50% Talysh 50%Tsakhur:

Imao, this one has more mongoloid even though both ethnicity are non-Turkic.
This result actually looks a bit like mine.

[Sterling Archer]

Well, in Turkey that'd be average. We have a guy from the Black Sea here with the exact same percentage.
Do you know what that mixed person looks like?

Yeah, for some reason Anatolian Turks score higher mongoloid. In Azerbaijan North West of the country also does score a lot.
No, unfortunately I don't know the guy.

[Kyp]

Iranian Azerbaijani (region unknown):

Gedrosian: 20.70
Siberian: 3.19
Northwest_African: 0.63
Southeast_Asian: 0.22
Atlantic_Med: 10.84
North_European: 8.21
South_Asian 2.21
East_African 1.19
Southwest_Asian: 9.86
East_Asian: 4.42
Caucasian: 38.23
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iran_azeri
2.46590754 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.19057988 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.14230612 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.58991285 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.75540745 Turk_Southeast
4.90146917 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.06654762 Turk_Central_East
6.47846432 Turk_South
7.04726188 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.30971956 Azerbaijani_North
7.46835323 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.71290477 Turk_Central_West
8.47811300 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.71459121 Yazidi_Kurd
8.83126265 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.87914973 Turk_East
8.99998889 Turkmen_Iraq
9.50789672 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.77434397 Turk_Southwest
9.91607785 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.29731518 Kurd_Sorani
10.39848066 Iran_Central
11.52062064 Iranian_Lur
11.75307194 Kurd_Feyli
11.85076369 Iranian_Fars

Target: Iran_azeri
Distance: 1.0315% / 1.03154134 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.2 Azerbaijani_Northwest
13.4 Georgian_Adjara
11.8 Iranian_Khorasan
2.8 Spanish_Basque
1.1 Sandawe_He
0.7 Sardinian

Yerevan Kurd:

Gedrosian: 23.24
Siberian: 1.40
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.33
Atlantic_Med: 9.11
North_European: 9.47
South_Asian 1.86
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.47
East_Asian: 1.34
Caucasian: 38.63
SSA: 0.14

Distance to: Yerevan_Kurd
3.30087867 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.40747707 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.03970296 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.05721579 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.81142391 Yazidi_Kurd
5.48285510 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.57113992 Kurd_Sorani
5.71855751 Turkmen_Iraq
6.08171851 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.35998428 Turk_Southeast
6.38842704 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.45167420 Azerbaijani_North
7.15779994 Iran_Central
7.78397071 Kurd_Feyli
7.99647422 Iranian_Lur
8.02383325 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.52198334 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.78973834 Iranian_Fars
9.48423956 Turk_East
9.51887073 Turk_Central_East
10.10342516 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.44015326 Turk_South
11.16867494 Iranian_Kerman
11.27150833 Iranian_Khorasan


Target: Yerevan_Kurd
Distance: 1.2446% / 1.24459764 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.3 Kurd_Kurmanji
24.0 Azerbaijani_North
15.7 Kurd_Sorani
3.1 Irish
2.9 Kuwait2


Iranian from Hamedan:

Gedrosian: 25.48
Siberian: 0.46
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.69
North_European: 8.01
South_Asian 3.01
East_African 0.48
Southwest_Asian: 13.21
East_Asian: 2.55
Caucasian: 37.88
SSA: 0.24

Distance to: Iranian_Hamedan
3.27771262 Yazidi_Kurd
3.60618912 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.10906315 Kurd_Sorani
4.57421031 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.69894669 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.81592151 Iran_Central
5.23042063 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.26740923 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.05643459 Iranian_Lur
6.28475934 Kurd_Feyli
6.28961843 Turkmen_Iraq
6.43234794 Iranian_Fars
6.68440723 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.96759643 Azerbaijani_Northwest
7.98467908 Azerbaijani_North
8.32180269 Turk_Southeast
8.73918188 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.74964571 Iranian_Kerman
8.96198081 Iranian_Khorasan
10.04460054 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.90177508 Iranian_Mazandaran
11.30274303 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.37710860 Turk_East
11.60464993 Turk_Central_East
12.27138949 Turk_South

Target: Iranian_Hamedan
Distance: 1.6451% / 1.64509863 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.6 Kurd_Sorani
28.1 Yazidi_Kurd
19.0 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
2.4 Irish
1.6 Japanese
1.5 Iranian_Khorasan


Iranian (region unknown):

Gedrosian: 23.11
Siberian: 1.64
Northwest_African: 0.33
Southeast_Asian: 0.66
Atlantic_Med: 4.90
North_European: 10.31
South_Asian 3.20
East_African 0.46
Southwest_Asian: 12.77
East_Asian: 2.73
Caucasian: 39.88
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iranian_unknown2
4.22101883 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.26577074 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.46666542 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.67904905 Azerbaijani_North
5.01171627 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.72772206 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.93396158 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.35340853 Kurd_Sorani
6.37012559 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.77684292 Yazidi_Kurd
6.94411261 Iran_Central
7.28538949 Turkmen_Iraq
7.32740063 Azerbaijani_Northwest
7.37787232 Kurd_Feyli
8.48472746 Turk_Southeast
8.49446879 Iranian_Lur
8.73007446 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.75054855 Iranian_Fars
10.35294161 Turk_East
10.62001412 Iranian_Khorasan
10.98903544 Turk_Central_East
11.10356249 Iranian_Kerman
11.44044580 Turk_South
11.84397315 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.27393987 Turk_Central_Black_Sea


Target: Iranian_unknown2
Distance: 2.1416% / 2.14163474 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.1 Azerbaijani_North
24.5 Kurd_Feyli
10.9 Iran_Central
8.5 Azerbaijani_Iran

[Kaspias]

@Leto

Crimean Tatars

https://i.ibb.co/GW4tnFZ/TABLO.png


ID,Gedrosia,Siberian,Northwest_African,Southeast_A sian,Atlantic_Med,North_European,South_Asian,East_ African,Southwest_Asian,East_Asian,Caucasus,Sub_Sa haran
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_1,6.98,10.94,0,3.42,11.68,31. 05,0.58,0,3.03,17.69,14.61,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_2,10.71,10.17,0,1.58,14.31,25 .3,1.49,0.13,4.38,14.58,17.35,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_3,11.32,14.2,0,1.74,10.79,26. 6,0.95,0.32,2.73,15.49,15.82,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_4,9.64,17.35,0.51,3.16,13.17, 22.99,1.41,0.2,1.49,20.78,9.31,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_5,10.02,10.54,0,2.76,13.25,26 .45,2.47,0,4.93,13.73,15.84,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_6,10.49,14.17,0,2.26,10.99,23 .41,4.78,0,4.86,13.33,15.73,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_7,5.91,14.51,0.59,0.93,12.75, 30.29,1.16,0,3.19,16.65,14.02,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_8,10.22,15.88,0,2.72,13.08,22 .59,1.03,0.06,2.35,19.89,12.18,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_9,9.66,10.54,0.51,2.22,14.11, 20.67,1.56,0,6.88,11.66,22.19,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_10,8.53,12.68,0,5.16,9.49,27. 14,1.22,0,2.07,16.5,17.17,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_11,6.9,15.3,0.59,3.15,10.14,2 5.55,3.07,0,4.6,17.14,13.56,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_12,10.71,10.17,0,1.58,14.31,2 5.3,1.49,0.13,4.38,14.58,17.35,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_13,7.08,16.84,0.12,0.98,11.83 ,19.94,2.33,0,0.72,23.4,16.77,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_14,9.15,18.69,0.15,4.04,6.99, 19.41,2.21,0.59,0,22.96,15.82,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_15,12.9,12.93,0,2.48,7.42,16. 89,0,0,2.48,22.01,22.88,0
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe_16,13.69,10.6,0.6,0.19,5.93,1 9.41,1.59,0,4.81,14.62,28.56,0
,,,,,,,,,,,,
Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,9.62,13.47,0.19,2.40,11.27,23 .94,1.71,0.09,3.31,17.19,16.82,0.00


Around half are from the Balkans, a few are from the Crimean Peninsula, two are from around Melitopol, three are from the Kuban.

[Leto]

Mongols

Gedrosia 5.1 Pct
Siberian 31.25 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 5.94 Pct
Atlantic_Med -
North_European 4.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.2 Pct
East_African 0.37 Pct
Southwest_Asian 0.9 Pct
East_Asian 49.46 Pct
Caucasus 2.63 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: TYG
3.58438279 Mongol_Khalkh
5.09707759 Mongol_Uuld
8.02618216 Kalmyk
14.31186221 Buryat
15.10924882 Khamnigan
15.22150452 Nanai
15.25696890 Oroqen
16.54466984 Nivh
17.67954185 Kyrgyz
18.05095842 Daur

Target: TYG
Distance: 1.5979% / 1.59792416 | ADC: 0.25x RC
83.1 Mongol_Uuld
9.8 Hezhen
7.1 Tu

(86.65% East Eurasian)


Gedrosia 2.88 Pct
Siberian 36.19 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 3.23 Pct
Atlantic_Med 0.17 Pct
North_European 5.28 Pct
South_Asian 0.29 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 50.58 Pct
Caucasus 1.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: BT
6.04866928 Mongol_Uuld
6.07348335 Mongol_Khalkh
8.21968369 Kalmyk
10.12215392 Nanai
10.26421453 Oroqen
10.83080791 Buryat
11.59368794 Khamnigan
12.84477326 Negidal
13.67333536 Nivh
17.96858648 Daur

Target: BT
Distance: 1.8674% / 1.86740710 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.5 Mongol_Uuld
18.2 Nanai
17.3 Nivh

(90% East Eurasian)

[Leto]

@Leto

Crimean Tatars

Around half are from the Balkans, a few are from the Crimean Peninsula, two are from around Melitopol, three are from the Kuban.
Hi, thanks. But Kuban has no Crimean Tatars, they must belong to some other group, I would guess the Kuban Nogais. Mainland Russia has virtually no Crimean Tatars.

I'm afraid you just averaged samples from different subgroups.

[Kaspias]

Hi, thanks. But Kuban has no Crimean Tatars, they must belong to some other group, I would guess the Kuban Nogais. Mainland Russia has virtually no Crimean Tatars.

I'm afraid you just averaged samples from different subgroups.

Around 1/3 of Crimean Tatars in population-wise, who lives/lived in the Balkans and the Crimean Peninsula identify as Nogay as well. The borders between Crimean Tatars and Nogais are pretty much disappeared in the last 200 years. Many identify under "Nogay tribe" of Crimean Tatars. That's why I included Kuban Nogais to the average and called them Crimean Tatars.

However, when excluding them(14-15-16 in the table, one of them were mixed with actual Crimean Tatars already)


Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,9.09,13.33,0.18,2.44,12.30,25 .18,1.81,0.06,3.51,16.57,15.53,0.00

[Leto]

Around 1/3 of Crimean Tatars in population-wise, who lives/lived in the Balkans and the Crimean Peninsula identify as Nogay as well. The borders between Crimean Tatars and Nogais are pretty much disappeared in the last 200 years. Many identify under "Nogay tribe" of Crimean Tatars. That's why I included Kuban Nogais to the average and called them Crimean Tatars.

However, when excluding them(14-15-16 in the table, one of them were mixed with actual Crimean Tatars already)


Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,9.09,13.33,0.18,2.44,12.30,25 .18,1.81,0.06,3.51,16.57,15.53,0.00

I don't know then. Still not sure Steppe Crimeans and Caucasian Nogais are the same. Let's not delete the old CT Steppe average for now.

[Leto]

The first and last name are completely Russian but the results are as follows:

Gedrosia 19.61 Pct
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.31 Pct
North_European 8.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.77 Pct
East_African 0.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.82 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Caucasus 54.63 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Andrey
2.54776373 Turk_Ahiska
3.61581250 Georgian
5.56388354 Georgian_Imereti
5.90591229 Georgian_Gurian
6.00285765 Abkhazian
6.17561333 Laz
6.18211938 Georgian_Adjara
6.56112033 Hemshin
7.66453521 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.71210088 Georgian_Mingrelian

Distance to: Andrey
1.23764604 63.60% Georgian_Imereti + 36.40% Udi_Azerbaijan
1.28412412 39.40% Georgian + 60.60% Turk_Ahiska
1.30964630 22.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 77.60% Turk_Ahiska
1.32005833 22.00% Georgian_Svan + 78.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.33483023 27.40% Georgian_Gurian + 72.60% Turk_Ahiska
1.33546790 55.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 44.60% Udi_Azerbaijan
1.37768161 24.80% Chechen + 75.20% Georgian_Adjara
1.40745141 18.20% Dargin_Kaitag + 81.80% Georgian_Adjara
1.44669651 76.40% Georgian + 23.60% Turk_East
1.46853222 28.00% Georgian_Imereti + 72.00% Turk_Ahiska

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from Sheki (75%) and Ilisu, Zagatala(25%). Probably the highest Caucasus component I have seen in Azerbaijanis.
Y-DNA: R-Y22151

https://i.imgur.com/4OH2hj4.png

Gedrosia 20.12
Siberian 1.7
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.5
Atlantic_Med 7.39
North_European 11.09
South_Asian 1.57
East_African 0.14
Southwest_Asian 10.11
East_Asian 1.84
Caucasus 45.54
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerb_Sheki
3.78421722 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.71253884 Turk_East
6.68650881 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.86392745 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.57564519 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.13717396 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46773287 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.52083329 Turk_Ahiska
8.87113296 Adyghe
9.10073074 Armenian_East
9.27006472 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.32092270 Turk_Central_East
9.82341590 Turk_Southeast
9.99746468 Ossetian
10.14399330 Ingush
10.57506501 Circassian
10.64976526 Karachay
10.67431028 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.75471524 Abazin
10.98790244 Ossetian_South
11.29729614 Yazidi_Kurd
11.40828208 Turk_South
11.64819299 Turkmen_Iraq
11.71990188 Kabardin
11.79194640 Balkar

[Dr_Maul]

Azerbaijani from Sheki (75%) and Ilisu, Zagatala(25%). Probably the highest Caucasus component I have seen in Azerbaijanis.
Y-DNA: R-Y22151

https://i.imgur.com/4OH2hj4.png

Gedrosia 20.12
Siberian 1.7
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.5
Atlantic_Med 7.39
North_European 11.09
South_Asian 1.57
East_African 0.14
Southwest_Asian 10.11
East_Asian 1.84
Caucasus 45.54
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerb_Sheki
3.78421722 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.71253884 Turk_East
6.68650881 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.86392745 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.57564519 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.13717396 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46773287 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.52083329 Turk_Ahiska
8.87113296 Adyghe
9.10073074 Armenian_East
9.27006472 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.32092270 Turk_Central_East
9.82341590 Turk_Southeast
9.99746468 Ossetian
10.14399330 Ingush
10.57506501 Circassian
10.64976526 Karachay
10.67431028 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.75471524 Abazin
10.98790244 Ossetian_South
11.29729614 Yazidi_Kurd
11.40828208 Turk_South
11.64819299 Turkmen_Iraq
11.71990188 Kabardin
11.79194640 Balkar

Viking possible?

[Sterling Archer]

Viking possible?
Who knows? Maybe broadly Indo-European and not specifically Nordic.
Here is another one, this time from Nakhchivan, who also has a similar haplogroup R-Z30597. Also confined to the British Isles.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z30597/

[Fedora]

Idk from which period, but it is an ancient sample from Central Anatolia.

AncientCentAnato
Gedrosia: 0 Pct
Siberian: 0 Pct
NW-African: 2.72 Pct
SE-Asian: 0.43 Pct
Atl_Med: 47.91 Pct
North European: 4.32 Pct
South Asian: 0 Pct
East African: 0 Pct
SW-Asian: 11.6 Pct
East Asian: 0 Pct
Caucasus: 31.47 Pct
SSA: 1.55 Pct

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 5.3401% / 5.34012202 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.6 Sardinian
28.4 Greek_Cypriot

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.0815% / 6.08154004 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.3 Sardinian
21.4 Sephardic_Jews
12.3 Greek_Icaria

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.1541% / 6.15406915 | ADC: 1x RC
65.9 Sardinian
34.1 Sephardic_Jews

There was an CHG influx after the neolothic period in anatolia. ancient results resemble sardinians, but CHG input later changed the genetic make up completely.

[Dr_Maul]

Who knows? Maybe broadly Indo-European and not specifically Nordic.
Here is another one, this time from Nakhchivan, who also has a similar haplogroup R-Z30597. Also confined to the British Isles.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z30597/

Both haplogroups are not particularly "deep" so yeah could be anything. Also migrations from anatolia to the area could have brought Varangian or Galatian lineages

[Sterling Archer]

Both haplogroups are not particularly "deep" so yeah could be anything. Also migrations from anatolia to the area could have brought Varangian or Galatian lineages

In regards to Varangians the interesting thing is, there are clusters of I1 in the Northern Azerbaijan in places like Gabala, Agdash, Gusar. These are probably part of the Varangian raids.
Apparently, they used to raid the area from Volga through the Caspian sea.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani (100%) of Mughal originfrom Aşağı Tala, Zaqatala:

Y-DNA: G2

[Leto]

A Syrian couple from Idlib living in Toronto as refugees. They are also relatives (305 cM shared) which kinda sucks but is not unusual among Muslims. Here is an article about them with a video featuring their three children. They don't look very swarthy. Must be due to the elevated North_European
Syrian families in Toronto eager for start of school year (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/syrian-children-back-to-school-1.3745981)

Gedrosia 19.77 Pct
Siberian 1.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.55 Pct
North_European 11.25 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.83 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.89 Pct
East_Asian 3.65 Pct
Caucasus 38.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Khaled
4.62446754 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.12728973 Turk_Southeast
5.24153603 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.51416358 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.30322531 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.65157500 Turkmen_Iraq
7.73168804 Turk_Central_East
8.03272681 Turk_South
8.18942000 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.97368375 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Distance to: Khaled
2.65399890 82.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 17.80% Bedouin
2.67790500 84.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 15.40% Yemenite_Mahra
2.84205496 86.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 13.60% Kuwait2
2.92110058 84.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 15.80% Saudi
2.99927586 82.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 17.60% Kuwait1
3.15377261 57.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 43.00% Kumyk
3.28071924 67.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33.00% Syrian_Muslim
3.33377709 93.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 6.20% Kuwait2
3.42015335 52.00% Ingush + 48.00% Iraqi_Arab
3.45719413 93.00% Azerbaijani_Republic + 7.00% Saudi

Target: Khaled
Distance: 1.7857% / 1.78565356 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.4 Azerbaijani_Republic
25.1 Kumyk
11.8 Saudi
4.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.9 Turk_Southeast


Gedrosia 14.45 Pct
Siberian 0.63 Pct
Northwest_African 2.55 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.33 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.84 Pct
North_European 5.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.67 Pct
East_African 2.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.06 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 37.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Iman
4.43833302 Lebanese_Muslim
6.22012058 Syrian_Muslim
6.48253037 Nusayri_Turkey
7.80139731 Palestinian
8.02960771 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.07699201 Lebanese_Christian
8.82870319 Jordanian_Muslim
9.40520069 Palestinian_Christian
9.51053101 Turk_Cyprus
9.75821705 Syrian_SW_Christian

Distance to: Iman
2.18560637 78.00% Syrian_SW_Christian + 22.00% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.32444850 78.80% Palestinian_Christian + 21.20% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.46331498 19.00% Pamiri_Rushan + 81.00% Syrian_SW_Christian
2.49360367 77.60% Jordanian_Christian + 22.40% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.51838145 81.60% Palestinian_Christian + 18.40% Pamiri_Rushan
2.62411939 43.00% Greek_Rhodes + 57.00% Iraqi_Arab
2.67482682 18.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 81.20% Syrian_SW_Christian
2.67931530 81.80% Palestinian_Christian + 18.20% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.88703386 43.00% Greek_Kos + 57.00% Iraqi_Arab
2.89793844 80.60% Jordanian_Christian + 19.40% Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Iman
Distance: 1.8265% / 1.82653218 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.2 Nusayri_Turkey
34.2 Syrian_Muslim
17.3 Iraqi_Baghdad
5.3 Irish

[Leto]

Iranian from Golestan

Gedrosia 32.95 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Northwest_African 0.92 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.77 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.12 Pct
North_European 6.17 Pct
South_Asian 6.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 39.83 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct

Distance to: Yasaman
2.55730327 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.63648655 Kurd_Feyli
9.17801177 Iranian_Lur
9.39987234 Iranian_Kerman
9.66253590 Iranian_Fars
9.99116610 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.06148597 Kurd_Sorani
11.13025157 Yazidi_Kurd
11.14040394 Iranian_Khorasan
12.57756336 Kurd_Kurmanji

Distance to: Yasaman
1.86387065 94.80% Iranian_Mazandaran + 5.20% Nuristani
1.88098500 96.80% Iranian_Mazandaran + 3.20% West_Bengal_Brahmin
1.88303445 95.00% Iranian_Mazandaran + 5.00% Kalash
1.88823549 96.00% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.00% Kashmiri
1.89049108 95.60% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.40% Punjabi_Khatri
1.89059635 95.40% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.60% PAK_Kohistani
1.89238207 97.20% Iranian_Mazandaran + 2.80% Lambadi
1.89419703 95.40% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.60% Sindhi_Hindu
1.89461606 95.00% Iranian_Mazandaran + 5.00% Kho
1.90375318 3.60% Gujarati_Brahmin + 96.40% Iranian_Mazandaran

Target: Yasaman
Distance: 1.4256% / 1.42557365 | ADC: 0.25x RC
86.2 Iranian_Mazandaran
7.8 Nuristani
6.0 Georgian_Svan

[Sterling Archer]

A Syrian couple from Idlib living in Toronto as refugees. They are also relatives (305 cM shared) which kinda sucks but is not unusual among Muslims. Here is an article about them with a video featuring their three children. They don't look very swarthy. Must be due to the elevated North_European

Gedrosia 19.77 Pct
Siberian 1.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.55 Pct
North_European 11.25 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.83 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.89 Pct
East_Asian 3.65 Pct
Caucasus 38.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

This one is so northern! Very unusual.
Can he be Turkmen or Kurd? They do occasionally score high NE.

[Impaler]

South_Ossetian from my GEDmatch list:

https://i.ibb.co/LvHf8Js/Ossetian.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Distance to: South_Ossetian
3.32209271 Ossetian_South
5.58524843 Ossetian
5.75551040 Abkhazian
6.38425407 Adyghe
8.65964202 Karachay
8.82422235 Georgian_Svan
9.00274958 Circassian
9.25072430 Georgian
9.38248368 Georgian_Gurian
9.63582378 Ingush
9.86189130 Balkar
9.95906622 Abazin
10.34646316 Turk_Ahiska
11.28240666 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.60773880 Georgian_Imereti
12.01662182 Kabardin
12.07187227 Chechen
13.53282306 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.54374025 Kumyk
14.47314755 Georgian_Adjara

Target: South_Ossetian
Distance: 2.3190% / 2.31897382 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.3 Ossetian_South
17.9 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.2 Albanian
1.6 Algerian

Target: South_Ossetian
Distance: 2.6765% / 2.67651283 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.2 Ossetian_South
21.1 Abkhazian
5.7 Greek_Fournoi

Distance to: South_Ossetian
2.77277893 6.00% Greek_Icaria + 94.00% Ossetian_South
2.77858031 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Sephardic_Jews
2.79424718 7.80% Greek_Cappadocia + 92.20% Ossetian_South
2.80231736 84.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.40% Udmurt
2.82430237 4.60% Morocco_Jews + 95.40% Ossetian_South
2.83221913 16.40% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 83.60% Georgian_Mingrelian
2.83396649 6.20% Greek_Rhodes + 93.80% Ossetian_South
2.84401118 5.80% Greek_Cypriot + 94.20% Ossetian_South
2.84924034 9.20% Greek_Pontus + 90.80% Ossetian_South
2.86373007 30.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 69.40% Ossetian
2.86890868 97.40% Ossetian_South + 2.60% Sardinian
2.87069971 6.00% Greek_Kos + 94.00% Ossetian_South
2.87983831 4.80% Italian_Jews + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.88142186 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.90033502 4.80% Italian_Calabria + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.91985157 5.40% Greek_Izmir + 94.60% Ossetian_South
2.92678749 10.00% Laz + 90.00% Ossetian_South
2.93059744 4.80% Moldovan_Jewish + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.93427262 5.60% Greek_Crete + 94.40% Ossetian_South
2.93474080 4.60% Ashkenazi_Jews + 95.40% Ossetian_South

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani with roots from Fizuli, Baku and Goychay. Relatively high East Asian admixture (7.8%).
Y-DNA: R1a-Z93

Gedrosia 18.35
Siberian 5.25
Northwest_African 1.6
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 7.2
North_European 9.05
South_Asian 0.61
East_African 0.22
Southwest_Asian 11.78
East_Asian 2.57
Caucasus 42.83
Sub_Saharan 0.55

Distance to: azerb
5.16336131 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.70673287 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.19745109 Turk_East
6.72159951 Turk_Central_East
6.86734301 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.98191951 Turk_Southeast
7.39343628 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.40264817 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.92220929 Turk_South
8.77489601 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.06555569 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.35373188 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.53162106 Turk_Central_West
9.64445437 Turkmen_Iraq
10.49458908 Armenian_East
10.92981244 Yazidi_Kurd
11.63411363 Kurd_Sorani
11.63591423 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.99851241 Turk_Ahiska
12.15517585 Turk_Southwest
12.19961885 Adyghe
12.23183551 Kurd_Feyli
12.28489316 Azeri_Jew
12.45037349 Abazin
12.53423312 Armenian_West

[Dr_Maul]

Samarkand Tajik, high Atlantic Med. Possible Jewish ancestry?
L-M27

Gedrosia 22.32 Pct
Siberian 5.61 Pct
Northwest_African 1.01 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.55 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.48 Pct
North_European 13.85 Pct
South_Asian 4.84 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_Asian 14.62 Pct
Caucasus 22.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.36 Pct

Distance to: PA3859277
6.71832568 Turkmen_Iran
8.86364485 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.41925156 Turkmen_TM
11.04787762 Tajik_Mountain
12.58610742 Uzbek
13.80670489 Tajik_Lowland
15.19184321 Tajik_Herat
15.44624874 Uzbeki
16.39937804 Turkmen_Afghanistan
17.59045764 Iranian_Khorasan
17.79577197 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
19.66693672 Turk_Northwest
19.90269831 Turk_Southwest
20.47473077 Nogai
20.50016097 Pamiri_Shughnan
20.77827952 Turk_South
20.81451897 Pamiri_Rushan
20.90634353 Tajik_Kabul
21.15591170 Iranian_Kerman
21.33658126 Azerbaijani_Iran
21.34324483 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
21.52460453 Pamiri_Ishkashim
21.83718388 Iranian_Fars
21.91029895 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
22.12788060 Turk_Southeast

Target: PA3859277
Distance: 1.4763% / 1.47634104 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.4 Tajik_Mountain
21.7 Turkmen_Iran
14.2 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Japanese
0.8 Saudi

Target: PA3859277
Distance: 1.6494% / 1.64941059 | R3P
53.2 Pamiri_Shughnan
28.8 Iraqi_Jew
18.0 Xibo

[Leto]

Samarkand Tajik, high Atlantic Med. Possible Jewish ancestry?
L-M27

Gedrosia 22.32 Pct
Siberian 5.61 Pct
Northwest_African 1.01 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.55 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.48 Pct
North_European 13.85 Pct
South_Asian 4.84 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_Asian 14.62 Pct
Caucasus 22.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.36 Pct

Distance to: PA3859277
6.71832568 Turkmen_Iran
8.86364485 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.41925156 Turkmen_TM
11.04787762 Tajik_Mountain
12.58610742 Uzbek
13.80670489 Tajik_Lowland
15.19184321 Tajik_Herat
15.44624874 Uzbeki
16.39937804 Turkmen_Afghanistan
17.59045764 Iranian_Khorasan
17.79577197 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
19.66693672 Turk_Northwest
19.90269831 Turk_Southwest
20.47473077 Nogai
20.50016097 Pamiri_Shughnan
20.77827952 Turk_South
20.81451897 Pamiri_Rushan
20.90634353 Tajik_Kabul
21.15591170 Iranian_Kerman
21.33658126 Azerbaijani_Iran
21.34324483 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
21.52460453 Pamiri_Ishkashim
21.83718388 Iranian_Fars
21.91029895 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
22.12788060 Turk_Southeast

Target: PA3859277
Distance: 1.4763% / 1.47634104 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.4 Tajik_Mountain
21.7 Turkmen_Iran
14.2 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Japanese
0.8 Saudi

Target: PA3859277
Distance: 1.6494% / 1.64941059 | R3P
53.2 Pamiri_Shughnan
28.8 Iraqi_Jew
18.0 Xibo
Do you mean Southwest Asian? Yes, it is. Also relatively low North European.
There were Arabs around Samarkand as late as 20-30 years ago (not sure about 2021 though), so that'd be more likely than Jewish.

[Dr_Maul]

Do you mean Southwest Asian? Yes, it is. Also relatively low North European.
There were Arabs around Samarkand as late as 20-30 years ago (not sure about 2021 though), so that'd be more likely than Jewish.

I think both Atlantic and SW Asia are a bit atypical, as for that yeah you are probably right because Uzbekistan Jew would be more Iranian shifted compared to these which seem to be Arab/Levantine proper at least.

[Leto]

5-6% Atlantic Med is totally normal in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. It reduces as you go east and south of those countries (Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan).

[Vrazijadivizija]

Distance to: Vrazijadivizija
1.95576072 Bosniak
3.29984848 Croat
5.70925564 Slovenian
5.80817527 Hungarian
5.82388187 Serb
5.87009370 Moldovan
9.41456850 Slovak
10.02157672 Czech
11.36346338 Romanian
14.03380205 German
14.04521983 Ukrainian
15.42322923 Polish
16.15419141 Russian
16.85805445 Dutch
17.19997674 Belorussian
19.08089358 Swedish
19.13860758 English
19.37157195 Danish
20.39103725 Scottish
21.62614159 Irish
23.71388412 French
23.94583889 Albanian
24.94450440 Estonian
26.35205874 Lithuanian
27.46217399 Italian_Lazio

[Mejgusu]

...

Keep in mind that nowadays Syria was, lets forget the centuries before that, a melting pot of different people and cultures during the Ottoman empire. Even until early 20th century many Caucasians(which is probably already well known after 4 Dodecad threads) and even many Greeks settled in many areas of Syria and other places of Levante. Id really want to know whether the first sample is a Syrian Turkmen/partly Turkish or Caucasian like Circissians. Second one could be partly Greek imo.

[Kyp]

https://i.imgur.com/EiomoeW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MRiTWo2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/l9sdj8N.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6prHDQq.jpg

[Sterling Archer]

https://i.imgur.com/6prHDQq.jpg
Excellent work!
Do you have distribution for Kumyks and Vainakhs too? Would be interesting to see the comparison with the Azerbaijanis.
Also interesting to see disparity between the distribution of J1 and R(a and b) between Azerbaijanis of the republic and Iran.

How do you interpret the distance in this case? They seem to be far removed in both plots.

[Dr_Maul]

Excellent work!
Do you have distribution for Kumyks and Vainakhs too? Would be interesting to see the comparison with the Azerbaijanis.
Also interesting to see disparity between the distribution of J1 and R(a and b) between Azerbaijanis of the republic and Iran.

How do you interpret the distance in this case? They seem to be far removed in both plots.

Higher J1 in Republic is from North Caucasus influences, afaik most of it is J1-M267* same as in Dagestan
More R1a in Iranian part is probably due to Iranic whereas more R1b in republic due to Anatolian/Armenian influences

[Kyp]

Excellent work!
Do you have distribution for Kumyks and Vainakhs too? Would be interesting to see the comparison with the Azerbaijanis.
Also interesting to see disparity between the distribution of J1 and R(a and b) between Azerbaijanis of the republic and Iran.

How do you interpret the distance in this case? They seem to be far removed in both plots.

I don't know if they are necessarily far apart. Variation in Iranian regions for example is stronger than the variation of Azerbaijanis. Although there is a significant difference in the distribution of J1, which seems a lot more common in the Republic than in Iran. This is the main difference for them plotting a bit far from each other. But overall still close. It gets more evident if you add a really far population like for example Turkmens or Arabs.

https://i.imgur.com/hHOfhFT.png

With Kumyk added:
https://i.imgur.com/Thlgj15.jpg


Kumyk distribution:
https://i.imgur.com/bZSgeI9.png

[mergen3]

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[Sterling Archer]

Kumyk distribution:
https://i.imgur.com/bZSgeI9.png
Thanks! Interesting that Kumyks are so close to Azerbaijanis too.
What is the difference between the first and the second (with Kumyks) plot? In one Armenia and Zaza are much closer than the other.
Is there any guide on how to make a PCA like this?

[Sterling Archer]

Turkmen from Kirkuk, Iraq.

Gedrosia 20.41 Pct
Siberian 3.09 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.1 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.15 Pct
North_European 6.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.8 Pct
East_African 0.87 Pct
Southwest_Asian 16.47 Pct
East_Asian 2.18 Pct
Caucasus 39.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Turkmen
4.73862849 Turkmen_Iraq
5.27290243 Turk_Southeast
5.69892095 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.76087667 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.89224066 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.15974025 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.10670810 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.35325098 Yazidi_Kurd
8.08543753 Kurd_Sorani
8.35226915 Turk_Central_East
8.35687142 Turk_East
8.40504610 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.24985405 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.27643250 Mandean
9.38625058 Iranian_Lur
9.50348883 Turk_South
9.52461548 Kurd_Feyli
9.59935935 Azeri_Jew
10.20092643 Assyrian_North
10.22019080 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.24296832 Assyrian_South
10.51749495 Turk_Central_West
10.61233716 Assyrian_West
10.71689787 Kurdish_Jew
11.25854786 Iraqi_Jew

[CommonSense]

An Armenian, judging by the surname:




Kit FD4002705

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 47.58
2 Gedrosia 18.57
3 Southwest_Asian 15.61
4 Atlantic_Med 11.82
5 North_European 3.96
6 Siberian 2.35
7 South_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 5.89
2 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 6.35
3 Assyrian (Dodecad) 6.71
4 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 7.2
5 Turks (Behar) 8.1
6 Armenian (Dodecad) 8.22
7 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 8.36
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 9.34
9 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.38
10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 10.28
11 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 11.8
12 Druze (HGDP) 12.44
13 Armenians (Behar) 12.76
14 Kurd (Dodecad) 12.87
15 Lebanese (Behar) 13.04
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 13.69
17 Cypriots (Behar) 14.8
18 Syrians (Behar) 16.31
19 Iranians (Behar) 16.49
20 Jordanians (Behar) 18.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.7% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.3% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.47
2 91.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.4% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.47
3 91.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.48
4 91.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.48
5 91.7% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.3% British (Dodecad) @ 2.48
6 91.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.5
7 91.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.5% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.51
8 91.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.5% English (Dodecad) @ 2.51
9 91.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.51
10 91.7% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.54
11 91.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.55
12 91.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.57
13 90.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% French (HGDP) @ 2.63
14 92.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 7.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.7
15 91.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 8.8% German (Dodecad) @ 2.85
16 92.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 7.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.87
17 91% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 9% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 3.02
18 88.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 11.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.09
19 90.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 9.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 3.12
20 86% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 14% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.13

[Leto]

An Armenian, judging by the surname:
He scores minor Siberian

Distance to: FD
3.52736446 Armenian_West
4.73445879 Armenian_East
4.73452215 Assyrian_North
4.87334587 Assyrian_West
4.91653333 Azeri_Jew
5.17136346 Assyrian_South
5.82979416 Turk_East
7.61648213 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.11589182 Kurdish_Jew
8.60170913 Mandean

Distance to: FD
2.16445389 96.00% Armenian_West + 4.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.24690326 91.00% Armenian_West + 9.00% Turkmen_TM
2.26244156 97.20% Armenian_West + 2.80% Yukagir
2.28186060 96.20% Armenian_West + 3.80% Shor
2.29964610 82.20% Armenian_West + 17.80% Azerbaijani_Iran
2.30282123 4.00% Altaian_Chelkan + 96.00% Armenian_West
2.31688638 97.20% Armenian_West + 2.80% Evenk
2.33508974 93.20% Armenian_West + 6.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.34503029 97.00% Armenian_West + 3.00% Sakha_Yakutia
2.35228857 91.80% Armenian_West + 8.20% Turkmen_Iran

Target: FD
Distance: 1.4388% / 1.43884545 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.9 Armenian_West
10.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.6 Assyrian_North
5.4 Iranian_Lur
2.2 Yukagir

[Leto]

Ossetians, though the latter may as well be something else

Gedrosia 20.04 Pct
Siberian 2.39 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 15.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.35 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.43 Pct
East_Asian 2.74 Pct
Caucasus 49.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Marat
4.20746955 Ossetian_South
4.34845950 Ossetian
5.09211155 Adyghe
6.78245531 Karachay
7.05631632 Circassian
7.34144400 Ingush
8.04547078 Balkar
8.10179610 Abazin
8.38260103 Abkhazian
9.92667618 Kabardin

Distance to: Marat
2.52979192 95.40% Ossetian_South + 4.60% Spanish_Basque
2.67883439 4.80% French_Southwest + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.70474222 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_La_Rioja
2.74234405 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Aragon
2.74635112 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_Asturias
2.74898172 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Sardinian
2.76740718 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_Cantabria
2.80886537 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Andalusia
2.81536254 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Catalonia
2.82601771 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Valencia

Target: Marat
Distance: 2.4512% / 2.45118990 | ADC: 0.25x RC
94.9 Ossetian_South
3.7 Spanish_Basque
0.7 Han_north
0.7 Sardinian


Gedrosia 19.86 Pct
Siberian 5.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.38 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.79 Pct
East_Asian 2.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Diana
2.55988281 Karachay
3.32261945 Ossetian
3.35080587 Balkar
3.75945475 Circassian
3.84053382 Adyghe
4.13527508 Ingush
4.36650890 Abazin
6.02110455 Chechen
6.17511134 Kabardin
6.68949176 Ossetian_South

Distance to: Diana
1.60189290 12.40% Bashkir_Central + 87.60% Ossetian_South
1.65248310 12.20% Bashkir_South + 87.80% Ossetian_South
1.69025464 89.20% Ossetian_South + 10.80% Udmurt
1.84375545 10.60% Mari + 89.40% Ossetian_South
1.88387522 11.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.40% Ossetian_South
1.89835959 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Tatar_Zabolotniye
1.95398641 12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Ossetian_South
2.04646244 88.40% Ossetian_South + 11.60% Tatar_Siberia
2.05849793 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.07529915 4.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 95.60% Ossetian

Target: Diana
Distance: 2.0138% / 2.01382848 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.3 Karachay
25.9 Ossetian
24.8 Ingush

[Kaspias]

From the new Turkish article. Matches indicate that he might be from Karaman. Also, he matches with a few Turks from Kardzhali where Karamanid migration stories were told widely.

Y: N-VL73 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL73*/)
MT: C4a1a3 (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/C4a1a3*/)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.76
2 North_European 14.68
3 Gedrosia 13.39
4 Atlantic_Med 11.49
5 East_Asian 9.96
6 Southwest_Asian 7.17
7 Siberian 6.31
8 South_Asian 1.68
9 Northwest_African 1.4
10 Southeast_Asian 0.82
11 East_African 0.68
12 Sub_Saharan 0.63


Distance to: X
2.89243948 59.00% Greek_Pontus + 41.00% Uzbeki
2.92600926 41.60% Hemshin + 58.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.01404440 41.20% Laz + 58.80% Ottoman_MA2196
3.10900748 65.00% Greek_Pontus + 35.00% Karluk_DA222
3.13054308 40.00% Georgian_Adjara + 60.00% Ottoman_MA2196
3.37003340 57.80% Greek_Pontus + 42.20% Uzbek
3.51106466 42.60% Greek_Pontus + 57.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.53808203 70.80% Greek_Pontus + 29.20% Tubalar
3.54167550 63.80% Greek_Pontus + 36.20% Karluk_DA230
3.71858162 65.80% Greek_Pontus + 34.20% Karakalpak
3.79536492 64.60% Greek_Pontus + 35.40% Ottoman_MA2195
3.81547515 64.40% Greek_Pontus + 35.60% Nogai_Stavropol
3.81732947 68.00% Greek_Pontus + 32.00% Karakhanid_DA204
3.90521998 68.80% Armenian_East + 31.20% Nogai_Stavropol
3.90721575 63.20% Hemshin + 36.80% Nogai_Stavropol
3.96091537 28.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 71.60% Greek_Pontus
4.00615137 70.60% Greek_Pontus + 29.40% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.03772495 66.00% Hemshin + 34.00% Nogai_Astrakhan
4.07975006 64.80% Hemshin + 35.20% Karakalpak
4.10308282 47.60% Armenian_East + 52.40% Ottoman_MA2196
4.11526853 62.80% Laz + 37.20% Nogai_Stavropol
4.17043965 70.20% Armenian_East + 29.80% Karakalpak
4.18918491 72.20% Greek_Pontus + 27.80% Kipchak_DA23
4.23706374 73.20% Armenian_East + 26.80% Kazakh
4.23837193 65.60% Laz + 34.40% Nogai_Astrakhan

Another one, matches indicate he might be from Mersin/Antalya. He and the one the above are not matching with each other. Again, he also matches with a few Kardzhali Turks. Interesting enough, these two samples could be magnets to spot Karamanids who were migrated to the Balkans!

Y: N-VL73 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL73*/)
MT: C4a1a-a4 (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/C4a1a-a4/)



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.8
2 Gedrosia 15.29
3 North_European 12.4
4 Atlantic_Med 12.25
5 East_Asian 10.14
6 Siberian 8.2
7 Southwest_Asian 8.12
8 South_Asian 2.75
9 Northwest_African 0.45
10 Sub_Saharan 0.31
11 East_African 0.27

Distance to: X
2.12297000 44.00% Greek_Cappadocia + 56.00% Uzbek
2.70818180 46.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 53.40% Uzbeki
3.27236085 49.00% Greek_Rhodes + 51.00% Uzbeki
3.40976651 61.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 38.40% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
3.43885449 49.60% Greek_Kos + 50.40% Uzbeki
3.49908494 43.20% Greek_Cypriot + 56.80% Uzbek
3.80373224 46.20% Greek_Rhodes + 53.80% Uzbek
3.88312322 45.80% Greek_Cypriot + 54.20% Uzbeki
4.04788039 47.00% Greek_Kos + 53.00% Uzbek
4.14052889 20.20% Assyrian_North + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.17879778 20.40% Azeri_Jew + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19416302 20.20% Assyrian_West + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19903656 20.20% Assyrian_South + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19996143 20.00% Kurdish_Jew + 80.00% Ottoman_MA2196
4.20469191 24.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 76.00% Ottoman_MA2196
4.20753196 20.40% Mandean + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.25235351 58.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 41.80% Karakhanid_DA204
4.25263530 25.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 74.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.25650390 19.80% Iraqi_Jew + 80.20% Ottoman_MA2196
4.35088945 51.00% Greek_Crete + 49.00% Uzbeki
4.36068022 60.00% Armenian_West + 40.00% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.43642222 57.20% Greek_Pontus + 42.80% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.44018961 19.80% Armenian_West + 80.20% Ottoman_MA2196
4.44552478 23.40% Kurd_Sorani + 76.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.50667867 20.40% Armenian_East + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196

[Kyp]

Turkish speaking Iranian from Markazi province:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/IranMarkazi-SVG.svg/1024px-IranMarkazi-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosia: 23.14
Siberian: 3.30
NW_African: 1.56
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.26
North_European: 7.97
South Asian: 5.01
East_African: 0.91
SW_Asian: 12.41
East_Asian: 4.10
Caucasus: 36.33
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Saveh_Iranian
4.50896884 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.96442789 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.06649817 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.07485802 Iran_Central
6.55492944 Iranian_Fars
6.78417276 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.82104831 Turkmen_Iraq
7.06122511 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.07765498 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.13719833 Kurd_Sorani
7.17244728 Yazidi_Kurd
7.51640206 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.90349923 Iranian_Khorasan
8.12853000 Kurd_Feyli
8.35501047 Iranian_Lur
8.43242551 Turk_Southeast
8.51847991 Azerbaijani_North
9.13410641 Iranian_Kerman
9.48440299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.00132719 Turk_South
11.65105575 Turk_Central_East
11.76663928 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.37123680 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.38856731 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.70443623 Udi_Azerbaijan

Target: Saveh_Iranian
Distance: 2.3838% / 2.38383912 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
33.5 Iranian_Fars
13.7 Turkmen_Iran


Republic Azerbaijani from Aghdara/Martakert:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Tartar_District_in_Azerbaijan_2021.svg/1024px-Tartar_District_in_Azerbaijan_2021.svg.png

Gedrosia: 22.60
Siberian: 1.76
NW_African: 1.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.11
North_European: 7.36
South Asian: 2.57
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.23
East_Asian: 3.64
Caucasus: 41.27
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Aghdara
2.64537332 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
3.08318018 Azerbaijani_Republic
3.51402903 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.98473337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.10654356 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.42253321 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.75190403 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.96721040 Yazidi_Kurd
6.35357380 Azerbaijani_North
6.37257405 Turkmen_Iraq
6.54808369 Kurd_Sorani
7.10902947 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.13978991 Turk_Southeast
7.24421148 Kurd_Feyli
7.75213519 Iranian_Lur
7.81626509 Turk_East
8.05418525 Iran_Central
8.31815484 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.25373978 Turk_Central_East
9.69737593 Iranian_Fars
10.40899611 Turk_South
10.70185031 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.24441195 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.86064079 Azeri_Jew
11.90843399 Turk_Central_West

Target: Azerbaijani_Aghdara
Distance: 1.9054% / 1.90541221 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.0 Azerbaijani_Republic
29.9 Talysh_Azerbaijan
22.1 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.0 Georgian_Adjara

Republic Azerbaijani from Tovuz:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Tovuz_in_Azerbaijan.svg

Gedrosia: 19.28
Siberian: 2.44
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.76
North_European: 7.08
South Asian: 3.16
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.49
East_Asian: 7.90
Caucasus: 38.88
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Tovuz
4.60630003 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.30960451 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.65515694 Turk_Southeast
6.01178842 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.04210228 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.33452445 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.36632201 Turk_Central_East
7.36896194 Turk_South
7.77993573 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.77262218 Turkmen_Iraq
9.01559760 Turk_Central_West
9.11242010 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.21421185 Azerbaijani_North
10.04367463 Turk_East
10.06287732 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.37840065 Yazidi_Kurd
11.06897014 Turk_Southwest
11.08650531 Kurd_Sorani
11.23623157 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.31927118 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.47400976 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.62969905 Iran_Central
11.80344018 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.16985620 Iranian_Lur
12.32959042 Kurd_Feyli

Target: Azerbaijani_Tovuz
Distance: 1.8369% / 1.83691358 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.8 Mandean
5.6 Japanese

[Sterling Archer]

Very high EA, North West does it again!

[Leto]

Afghan (Pashtun?)
This is her (https://i.ibb.co/jT4z3tT/yalda-entezar.jpg)

Gedrosia 35.38 Pct
Siberian 2.88 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.83 Pct
North_European 15.66 Pct
South_Asian 18.12 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.67 Pct
East_Asian 1.67 Pct
Caucasus 18.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.39 Pct

Distance to: Yalda
2.34991489 Pashtun_Kandahar
3.66862372 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.81498702 Pashtun_Tarkalani
4.99732929 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.69630582 Tajik_Kabul
6.32317167 Kho
7.14099433 Pashtun_Yusafzai
8.62220389 Kalash
8.69029919 Nuristani
9.57114936 Pamiri_Ishkashim

Distance to: Yalda
1.14750794 70.40% Pashtun_Kandahar + 29.60% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.14933641 8.60% Nepali_Khas_Brahmin + 91.40% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.19623689 93.80% Pashtun_Kandahar + 6.20% West_Bengal_Brahmin
1.23999705 24.40% Kho + 75.60% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.25004554 7.20% Brahmin_Uttaranchal + 92.80% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.25724327 12.00% Haryana_Ror + 88.00% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.28978370 89.00% Pashtun_Kandahar + 11.00% Punjabi_Jatt
1.30589982 5.20% Kshatriya + 94.80% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.32325800 7.40% Gujarati_Brahmin + 92.60% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.33447602 4.80% Bangladeshi + 95.20% Pashtun_Kandahar

[Impaler]

Alawite/Assyrian?

https://i.ibb.co/gVpkckX/Omar.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Distance to: Omar
7.03614952 Nusayri_Turkey
7.16958855 Lebanese_Muslim
9.06952590 Assyrian_South
9.07224338 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.15149168 Assyrian_West
9.20462384 Mandean
9.28298443 Iraqi_Jew
9.31544953 Kurdish_Jew
9.36005342 Azeri_Jew
9.61032778 Assyrian_North
9.78891209 Lebanese_Christian
10.48352040 Armenian_West
10.59739591 Turk_East
10.61611040 Turk_Southeast
10.68745526 Syrian_Muslim
10.96389073 Turkmen_Iraq
11.11570061 Turk_Cyprus
11.27101149 Turk_Central_East
11.61697465 Greek_Cypriot
11.70430690 Palestinian


Target: Omar
Distance: 1.8788% / 1.87880230 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Nusayri_Turkey
18.6 Georgian_Adjara
16.0 Iranian_Lur
10.6 Algerian
4.1 Bnei_Menashe_Jews

Target: Omar
Distance: 3.6033% / 3.60326885 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.7 Nusayri_Turkey
23.7 Yazidi_Kurd
15.3 Turk_East
7.3 Algerian

Distance to: Omar
3.88009138 81.60% Armenian_West + 18.40% Moroccan
4.03959988 17.60% Algerian + 82.40% Armenian_West
4.16604901 83.80% Azeri_Jew + 16.20% Moroccan
4.22910303 83.40% Assyrian_North + 16.60% Moroccan
4.26920574 15.40% Algerian + 84.60% Azeri_Jew
4.29925225 16.00% Algerian + 84.00% Assyrian_North
4.39116736 84.60% Assyrian_South + 15.40% Moroccan
4.42067392 14.80% Algerian + 85.20% Assyrian_South
4.43767307 84.40% Assyrian_West + 15.60% Moroccan
4.45022396 15.00% Algerian + 85.00% Assyrian_West
4.45871722 15.40% Iranian_Bandari + 84.60% Nusayri_Turkey
4.48735519 82.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 17.80% Parsi_India
4.52601039 10.20% Nuristani + 89.80% Nusayri_Turkey
4.52891096 24.60% Iranian_Fars + 75.40% Nusayri_Turkey
4.53184045 90.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 9.80% PAK_Kohistani
4.53578547 88.40% Nusayri_Turkey + 11.60% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.55558565 9.00% Burusho + 91.00% Nusayri_Turkey
4.56730038 90.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 9.80% Sindhi_Hindu
4.57328813 12.40% Balochi + 87.60% Nusayri_Turkey
4.61488331 10.00% Kalash + 90.00% Nusayri_Turkey

[Mejgusu]

Someone should open a new thread, it is amazing that we already have 4 Dodecad threads, hopefully we will have at least 4 again with the same number of pages(and of course with many new samples);)

[Kyp]

I plotted my whole Iran spreadsheet of Dodecadk12b samples and tried to mark the rough clusters by myself (small mistakes are to be excused). I also added the turkish clusters (non-balkan turkish) for reference. It's consistent with multiple studies indicating there is a central Iranian cluster most Iranians fall under (with their respective differences). Only outliers are Balochs, Turkmens, Armenians/Assyrians and Bandari populations.

https://i.imgur.com/ZJo8ttO.jpg

n= +400


Turkey samples included:
https://i.imgur.com/KkmzE46.jpg



Some cluster may appear too big in comparison to others, but that's only because of larger sample size.

[Zagrosian]

Hello everyone. Leto, Kyp, Aren - I appreciate the work you're doing.
And I've learned that the original K12b spreadsheet had a lot of population groups with atypical average results?
In particular when it comes to the Caucasus scores among Assyrians, Mandeans and Armenians.
For instance, the Assyrian Caucasus score shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 52.2% and the North Euro score anywhere near as low as 0.9% even if you divide the group into North, South and West?
It seems the non-Beduin peoples of the Iranian Peninsula, Mesopotamia, East Anatolia, South Caucasus and the Levant aren't as distinctly different as the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet could have you believe.

Are you/they still adding results from here to the Vahaduo updated K12b spreadsheet?
If so, I think you should only add those with known identity, in order to avoid skewed results due to confirmation bias.
The Turkmen_Iraq group seem to be based entirely on the Turkish-sounding names on the Iraq DNA project?
I think a big chunk of the individuals in those tests have known mixed ancestry, even if they have a Turkish, Kurdish, Christian or tribal Arabic name.
We also have to remember that just because someone is scoring like a Kurd_Kurmanji or Azerbaijani_Dagestan doesn't mean he identifies as such.
The results of randomly discovered kit numbers and K12b results of unknown individuals shouldn't be added to any of the population groups in my opinion.


These are my results. Kurd, Kermanshah province, Sunni.
Gedrosia: 25.74%
Siberian: 0.61%
NWAfrican: 1.16%
SEAsian: 0.35%
Atlantic-Med: 7.78%
North European: 8.42%
S Asian: 3.10%
E African: 0.73%
SW Asian: 14.41%
E Asian: 0.39%
Caucasus: 37.30%
Sub Saharan: 0.00%

In Vahaduo format:
Kurd_Kermanshah,25.74,0.61,1.16,0.35,8.42,7.78,3.1 0,0.73,14.41,0.39,37.30,0.00

This was an interesting result I came across. Not sure how common it is in that region, but it's a Kurd from Dohuk.
Gedrosia: 24.67%
Siberian: 0.81%
NWAfrican: 0.13%
SEAsian: 0.00%
Atlantic-Med: 9.55%
North European: 4.65%
S Asian: 0.81%
E African: 0.70%
SW Asian: 17.97%
E Asian: 0.97%
Caucasus: 39.54%
Sub Saharan: 0.21%

Kurd_Dohuk,24.67,0.81,0.13,0.00,9.55,4.65,0.81,0.7 0,17.97,0.97,39.54,0.21

[Leto]

Hello everyone. Leto, Kyp, Aren - I appreciate the work you're doing.
And I've learned that the original K12b spreadsheet had a lot of population groups with atypical average results?
In particular when it comes to the Caucasus scores among Assyrians, Mandeans and Armenians.
For instance, the Assyrian Caucasus score shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 52.2% and the North Euro score anywhere near as low as 0.9% even if you divide the group into North, South and West?
It seems the non-Beduin peoples of the Iranian Peninsula, Mesopotamia, East Anatolia, South Caucasus and the Levant aren't as distinctly different as the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet could have you believe.

Are you/they still adding results from here to the Vahaduo updated K12b spreadsheet?
If so, I think you should only add those with known identity, in order to avoid skewed results due to confirmation bias.
The Turkmen_Iraq group seem to be based entirely on the Turkish-sounding names on the Iraq DNA project?
I think a big chunk of the individuals in those tests have known mixed ancestry, even if they have a Turkish, Kurdish, Christian or tribal Arabic name.
We also have to remember that just because someone is scoring like a Kurd_Kurmanji or Azerbaijani_Dagestan doesn't mean he identifies as such.
The results of randomly discovered kit numbers and K12b results of unknown individuals shouldn't be added to any of the population groups in my opinion.


These are my results. Kurd, Kermanshah province, Sunni.
Gedrosia: 25.74%
Siberian: 0.61%
NWAfrican: 1.16%
SEAsian: 0.35%
Atlantic-Med: 7.78%
North European: 8.42%
S Asian: 3.10%
E African: 0.73%
SW Asian: 14.41%
E Asian: 0.39%
Caucasus: 37.30%
Sub Saharan: 0.00%

In Vahaduo format:
Kurd_Kermanshah,25.74,0.61,1.16,0.35,8.42,7.78,3.1 0,0.73,14.41,0.39,37.30,0.00

This was an interesting result I came across. Not sure how common it is in that region, but it's a Kurd from Dohuk.
Gedrosia: 24.67%
Siberian: 0.81%
NWAfrican: 0.13%
SEAsian: 0.00%
Atlantic-Med: 9.55%
North European: 4.65%
S Asian: 0.81%
E African: 0.70%
SW Asian: 17.97%
E Asian: 0.97%
Caucasus: 39.54%
Sub Saharan: 0.21%

Kurd_Dohuk,24.67,0.81,0.13,0.00,9.55,4.65,0.81,0.7 0,17.97,0.97,39.54,0.21
Hi and welcome!
We try and find the best available samples. The current spreadsheet is a huge improvement compared to the original one. Iraqi Turkmens are supposed to score similar to Azerbaijanis and Kurds, so I don't think the average is all too far from reality. But the sample size isn't big, you're right. Your own results are appreciated.

[Zagrosian]

Hi and welcome!
We try and find the best available samples. The current spreadsheet is a huge improvement compared to the original one. Iraqi Turkmens are supposed to score similar to Azerbaijanis and Kurds, so I don't think the average is all too far from reality. But the sample size isn't big, you're right. Your own results are appreciated.

Thanks!

I think the Iraqi Turkmens are a very diverse group, stemming from different waves of Turkic migration, from Anatolia, Iran/Azerbaijan and Central Asia, which hasn't homogenized into one distinct group. Some have lived relatively isolated whereas others are intertwined and hard to distinguish from their local Kurdish or Arabic co-religionists.
I think you would struggle to find many Sunni Kirkuki Turkmens with four Turkmen grandparents. It's a group that is and has been very prone to marry outside their ethnic group. This is why so many of them are more into Iraqi nationalism than pan-Turkism.
Where do we draw the line between what is an Iraqi Turkmen and what is an Iraqi of mixed ancestry?

I think the Iraqi_Turkmen average is not representative at all of the Shia Turkmen of Tuz Khurmatu, south Kirkuk province and Tal Afar.
These groups have lived more isolated from Arabs. I don't think their South-West Asian score would be higher than Kurds'.

[Zagrosian]

Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67, 0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.7 4,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02
Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47 ,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02


What regions or subgroups do these refer to and where are the results taken from?
West = Syriac Orthodox from Mardin/Qamishli area?
South = Iraqi Chaldeans?
North = Urmia / Hakkari Nestorians?

It seems that the remarkable results of Sardinians, Basques, Iranian Lurs, Saudis and Assyrians in the old spreadsheets that are still circulating is partly due to seemingly mixed individuals being filtered out of the group in favor of the seemingly least mixed ones.
I can see how or why that would be useful or interesting, but it could also mislead people into thinking that's how average results look from those groups. I didn't for one second believe that the average Saudi will score only 0.30% Sub-Saharan, but the Assyrian average seemed plausible since it's a much smaller and more endogamic group.

@Aren
I think I read a post where you said you aren't motivated to post Assyrian results because you find them boring. If that's the case, then I have to strongly disagree with that.
I'm very interested in finding out how common it is for Assyrians to score over 50% Caucasus and less than 1% North Euro.
Please share with us more results from different denominations/towns if you have any.

[chinshen]

Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67, 0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.7 4,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02
Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47 ,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02


What regions or subgroups do these refer to and where are the results taken from?
West = Syriac Orthodox from Mardin/Qamishli area?
South = Iraqi Chaldeans?
North = Urmia / Hakkari Nestorians?

It seems that the remarkable results of Sardinians, Basques, Iranian Lurs, Saudis and Assyrians in the old spreadsheets that are still circulating is partly due to seemingly mixed individuals being filtered out of the group in favor of the seemingly least mixed ones.
I can see how or why that would be useful or interesting, but it could also mislead people into thinking that's how average results look from those groups. I didn't for one second believe that the average Saudi will score only 0.30% Sub-Saharan, but the Assyrian average seemed plausible since it's a much smaller and more endogamic group.

@Aren
I think I read a post where you said you aren't motivated to post Assyrian results because you find them boring. If that's the case, then I have to strongly disagree with that.
I'm very interested in finding out how common it is for Assyrians to score over 50% Caucasus and less than 1% North Euro.
Please share with us more results from different denominations/towns if you have any.

Here are my results:

Gedrosia 17.45
Siberian -
Northwest African 1.97
Southeast Asian -
Atlantic Med 9.82
North European 2.02
South Asian 0.24
East African -
Southwest Asian 19.57
East Asian -
Caucasus 48.88
Sub Saharan 0.05

[Kyp]

Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67, 0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.7 4,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02
Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47 ,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02


What regions or subgroups do these refer to and where are the results taken from?
West = Syriac Orthodox from Mardin/Qamishli area?
South = Iraqi Chaldeans?
North = Urmia / Hakkari Nestorians?

It seems that the remarkable results of Sardinians, Basques, Iranian Lurs, Saudis and Assyrians in the old spreadsheets that are still circulating is partly due to seemingly mixed individuals being filtered out of the group in favor of the seemingly least mixed ones.
I can see how or why that would be useful or interesting, but it could also mislead people into thinking that's how average results look from those groups. I didn't for one second believe that the average Saudi will score only 0.30% Sub-Saharan, but the Assyrian average seemed plausible since it's a much smaller and more endogamic group.

@Aren
I think I read a post where you said you aren't motivated to post Assyrian results because you find them boring. If that's the case, then I have to strongly disagree with that.
I'm very interested in finding out how common it is for Assyrians to score over 50% Caucasus and less than 1% North Euro.
Please share with us more results from different denominations/towns if you have any.

The Iraqi_Turkmen average is my made from samples listed as Turkmen from Iraqi DNA Project aswell as from persons that identified as Turkmen and posted their results online. So far there has not been a result that didn't fit this average imo or that was a strong outlier.
In case of Iraq Turkmens and them being almost always mixed, I think then it's ok if the average reflects it in this case. Otherwise they could score like Turks or Azerbaijanis for example.

But it will surely improve as more samples will be found.

[Zagrosian]

Here are my results:

Gedrosia 17.45
Siberian -
Northwest African 1.97
Southeast Asian -
Atlantic Med 9.82
North European 2.02
South Asian 0.24
East African -
Southwest Asian 19.57
East Asian -
Caucasus 48.88
Sub Saharan 0.05

Thank you for sharing your results. It seems you would fall somewhere between the old and the 3 new Assyrian population data avg.
May I ask what town(s) you hail from and which denomination?

[Zagrosian]

The Iraqi_Turkmen average is my made from samples listed as Turkmen from Iraqi DNA Project aswell as from persons that identified as Turkmen and posted their results online. So far there has not been a result that didn't fit this average imo or that was a strong outlier.
In case of Iraq Turkmens and them being almost always mixed, I think then it's ok if the average reflects it in this case. Otherwise they could score like Turks or Azerbaijanis for example.

But it will surely improve as more samples will be found.

Hmm...interesting. I haven't seen any Iraqi Turkmen results apart from the ones with Turkish names in the Iraqi DNA project.
Do you know if any of those Turkmens that posted their results online had Shia background from Salahaddin/Kirkuk governorates?

[Kyp]

Hmm...interesting. I haven't seen any Iraqi Turkmen results apart from the ones with Turkish names in the Iraqi DNA project.
Do you know if any of those Turkmens that posted their results online had Shia background from Salahaddin/Kirkuk governorates?

I think there have been 2 results from Kirkuk posted in Turkish DNA facebook group. But I don't know their background.

Unrelated:

Azerbaijani (Republci) from northwestern Salyan:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Salyan_District_in_Azerbaijan_2021.svg/1175px-Salyan_District_in_Azerbaijan_2021.svg.png

Gedrosia: 21.90
Siberian: 1.62
NW_African: 1.29
SE_Asian: 0.05
Atlantic_Med: 9.17
North_European: 10.59
South Asian: 4.42
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.24
East_Asian: 1.05
Caucasus: 37.67
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Salyan
4.04497219 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.13800677 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.23706266 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.18486258 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.38964748 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.16614953 Azerbaijani_North
6.18945070 Turk_Southeast
6.19245509 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.61947883 Yazidi_Kurd
7.04339407 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.04508339 Turkmen_Iraq
7.29834228 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.56741039 Kurd_Sorani
8.85838586 Turk_Central_East
8.93434944 Iranian_Fars
9.31916842 Turk_South
9.43162234 Kurd_Feyli
9.67006722 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.72063270 Iranian_Lur
9.78197322 Iranian_Khorasan
10.12674183 Turk_East
10.19512138 Turk_Central_West
10.52849467 Iranian_Kerman
10.79698569 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.44442659 Iraqi_Baghdad

Target: Azerbaijani_Salyan
Distance: 1.6678% / 1.66781721 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.0 Azerbaijani_Republic
24.9 Kurd_Kurmanji
22.3 Iranian_Kerman
10.6 Bulgarian_Thrace
1.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

[Sterling Archer]

Hmm...interesting. I haven't seen any Iraqi Turkmen results apart from the ones with Turkish names in the Iraqi DNA project.
Do you know if any of those Turkmens that posted their results online had Shia background from Salahaddin/Kirkuk governorates?

Turkmen I posted is from Kirkuk, but he is Sunni.
As for his background, per his own words, he is 100% Iraqi Turkmen, no other known non-Turkic ancestors.

[Zagrosian]

Turkmen I posted is from Kirkuk, but he is Sunni.
As for his background, per his own words, he is 100% Iraqi Turkmen, no other known non-Turkic ancestors.

Where can I find the result?