Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Kyp]

Continuation of the previous thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334700-Dodecad-k12b-West-Central-amp-South-Asian-results-Vol-3/page89&p=7086489#post7086489

I excluded South Asian results this time as it's better to have an own thread for it to keep things clear.

[Kyp]

New Iranian Azerbaijani result from East-Azerbaijan province:


Gedrosian: 21.21
Siberian: 3.04
Northwest_African: 2.21
Southeast_Asian: 0.31
Atlantic_Med: 7.35
North_European: 9.69
South_Asian: 3.04
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.43
East_Asian: 3.28
Caucasian: 38.12
Sub_Saharan: 0.32

Distance to: East-Azerbaijan
2.70970478 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.80553025 Azerbaijani
3.72698269 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.67470704 Turk_Southeast
6.15380370 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.05697527 Zaza
7.14774090 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.29180362 Iraq_Turkmen
7.36713649 Kurd_Adygea
7.43571785 Yazidi
7.69601195 Kurd_Sorani
7.87692199 Turk_South
8.01293954 Turk_Central_East
8.24747234 Iran_Central
9.10224698 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.56099367 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.62840070 Turk_Central_West
9.63871361 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.63913897 Iranian_Fars
9.69464801 Iranian
9.75616216 Turk_East
10.03636887 Lur_Iran
10.51698626 Iran_Khorasan
11.51617124 Turk_Southwest
11.66547899 Turk_West_BlackSea

Target: East-Azerbaijan
Distance: 1.1540% / 1.15401595 | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.4 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.7 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.0 Nogai
4.2 Iran_Khorasan
2.7 Algerian

[Dr_Maul]

Half Turkish Kurd half Iraq Kurd

Population
Gedrosia 24.35 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.52 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.28 Pct
North_European 6.55 Pct
South_Asian 2.93 Pct
East_African 0.44 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.77 Pct
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Caucasus 38.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Deniz
2.80763245 Kurd_Sorani
3.22315063 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.34438335 Yazidi
4.09234652 Kurd_Adygea
4.44526715 Iraq_Turkmen
4.46563545 Zaza
5.75158239 Lur_Iran
6.03280200 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.18074429 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.06168535 Azerbaijani
7.30227362 Iranian
7.50095994 Iranian_Fars
7.86474412 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.48191606 Turk_Southeast
8.62077143 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.39914890 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.43197968 Mandean
10.63199417 Turk_East
11.15701573 Iranian_Jew
11.48554309 Azeri_Jew
11.80132196 Iran_Khorasan
11.87325566 Turk_Central_East
12.06431929 Iran_Arab
12.13154978 Assyrian_North
12.30243878 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Deniz
Distance: 1.7808% / 1.78077644 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.2 Kurd_Sorani
26.8 Yazidi
8.6 Assyrian_North
6.7 Zaza
1.9 Spanish_Basque
0.8 Dai

[Kyp]

75% Tat from Quba (Republic of Azerbaijan) + 25% Turk from Azerbaijan Rep.:

Gedrosian: 24.20
Siberian: 1.42
Northwest_African: 2.24
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.20
North_European: 10.58
South_Asian: 1.82
East_African: 0.27
Southwest_Asian: 9.99
East_Asian: 1.94
Caucasian: 40.34
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Tat
4.87094447 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.13871579 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.80191348 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.81243495 Azerbaijani
5.82596773 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.88045066 Kurd_Adygea
5.88867557 Zaza
6.73401069 Yazidi
7.02607999 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.84964967 Iranian
7.86498570 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.97784432 Iran_Central
8.14569825 Kurd_Sorani
9.03241385 Turk_Southeast
9.28228420 Iraq_Turkmen
9.34868440 Lur_Iran
9.79562658 Turk_East
10.06596245 Iranian_Fars
10.12445060 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.68147930 Turk_Central_East
11.02132478 Iran_Khorasan
11.28824167 Ingush
11.47639752 Turk_South
11.68704411 Iran_C_East
11.92223972 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Tat
Distance: 1.8870% / 1.88697129 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
32.9 Kurd_Adygea
28.3 Azerbaijani_Iran

[Mejgusu]

@Kyp, do you have Qajar-tribe samples?

[Kyp]

@Kyp, do you have Qajar-tribe samples?

Yes from Absheron, Azerbaijan Republic:

Gedrosian: 19.02
Siberian: 2.15
Northwest_African: 1.59
Southeast_Asian: 0.12
Atlantic_Med: 5.88
North_European: 11.28
South_Asian: 0.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.61
East_Asian: 3.16
Caucasian: 42.93
Sub_Saharan: 0.40

Distance to: Qajar
5.90927237 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.60031060 Azerbaijani
6.65594471 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.95345238 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.08945696 Turk_East
7.79696095 Zaza
7.85548216 Turk_Southeast
8.25650653 Turk_Central_East
8.43995853 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.59238035 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.28813221 Kurd_Adygea
9.48955215 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.49126967 Turk_South
9.77711103 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.80595227 Iraq_Turkmen
10.21538546 Kurd_Sorani
10.65277429 Yazidi
10.77387581 Turk_Central_West
10.85521994 Armenian_East
11.16012993 Adyghe
11.35617893 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.79439274 Turk_Ahiska
11.85221498 Abazin
11.91117542 Ingush
11.94697870 Circassian

Target: Qajar
Distance: 1.6351% / 1.63511588 | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.2 Kumyks
25.5 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.8 Azerbaijani
10.5 Yemenite_Mahra

[Aren]

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

[Kyp]

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

There are no other Tat results that I'm aware of.

Here are some Kurds from Iran (different regions):

Gedrosian: 26.34
Siberian: 0.58
Northwest_African: 2.02
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.76
North_European: 5.53
South_Asian: 3.24
East_African: 0.21
Southwest_Asian: 14.06
East_Asian: 0.53
Caucasian: 39.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Gedrosian: 25.72
Siberian: 0.79
Northwest_African: 2.19
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.96
North_European: 6.83
South_Asian: 2.10
East_African: 1.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.24
East_Asian: 1.89
Caucasian: 36.99
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Gedrosian: 31.18
Siberian: 1.18
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.60
Atlantic_Med: 4.98
North_European: 3.09
South_Asian: 2.08
East_African: 0.18
Southwest_Asian: 14.52
East_Asian: 0.34
Caucasian: 40.70
Sub_Saharan: 0.52

Gedrosian: 27.76
Siberian: 0.55
Northwest_African: 1.17
Southeast_Asian: 0.50
Atlantic_Med: 5.70
North_European: 4.82
South_Asian: 3.24
East_African: 0.36
Southwest_Asian: 14.63
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 41.72
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

West-Azerbaijan province:
Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 0.33
Northwest_African: 1.64
Southeast_Asian: 0.88
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 10.78
South_Asian: 1.13
East_African: 1.46
Southwest_Asian: 13.63
East_Asian: 0.27
Caucasian: 36.77
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

[Sterling Archer]

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

Important to not that (Azeri and Dagestani)Tats and Kurds will likely be very different.
Here is an interesting article about Muslim and Jewish tats from Dagestan:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22275152/

Tats' haplogroups were found to be similar to Kubachin and Avars:
J1-M267 65%
J2-M172 5%
R1b1-P25 25%

I read somewhere that it is likely that they are persianized Caucasians.

The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.

[Leto]

The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.
Do you have any Lezgin Dodecad results or Gedmatch kits? We need to update the average.

[Sterling Archer]

There are no other Tat results that I'm aware of.


West-Azerbaijan province:
Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 0.33
Northwest_African: 1.64
Southeast_Asian: 0.88
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 10.78
South_Asian: 1.13
East_African: 1.46
Southwest_Asian: 13.63
East_Asian: 0.27
Caucasian: 36.77
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Proximity to Azeris seems to be a conduit for higher Med and NE components, probably indicating mixed background. Very curious.

[Kyp]

Proximity to Azeris seems to be a conduit for higher Med and NE components, probably indicating mixed background. Very curious.

Yes although a lot of Kurds in Iran lived nomadically so region won't always be decisive for genetics, Same goes for some tribal Azeri groups.

[Sterling Archer]

Do you have any Lezgin Dodecad results or Gedmatch kits? We need to update the average.

No unfortunately. I'll post them here as soon as I find any.

For what it is worth, here is the result of Azerbaijani with recent Lezgin ancestry. Note the high Gedrosia:
https://i.imgur.com/m5NF6rW.png

[Kyp]

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

Kurd from Arbil/Erbil:

Gedrosian: 24.51
Siberian: 1.55
Northwest_African: 0.55
Southeast_Asian: 1.10
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 7.02
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.22
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.39
Sub_Saharan: 0.10


Distance to: Kurd_Erbil
1.64687583 Kurd_Kurmanji
2.22418524 Zaza
2.37987395 Kurd_Adygea
3.11855736 Yazidi
3.98684085 Kurd_Sorani
4.16661733 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.94726187 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.28264138 Iraq_Turkmen
5.66612743 Lur_Iran
6.04093536 Iranian
6.43668393 Azerbaijani
6.57007610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.78446018 Iran_Central
7.36452986 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.35212548 Turk_Southeast
8.52489883 Iranian_Fars
9.00101105 Turk_East
10.12345791 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.92318177 Mandean
11.10561570 Turk_Central_East
11.11729284 Azeri_Jew
11.39444163 Iran_C_East
11.51163325 Iranian_Jew
11.55340210 Iran_Mazandaran
11.77008921 Assyrian_North

Target: Kurd_Erbil
Distance: 1.2903% / 1.29025836 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
35.2 Zaza
6.8 Iranian
2.7 Mandean
1.4 Kurd_Adygea
0.7 Cambodians

[RatCat]

Another Karachay result from my matchlist

Y-DNA: J2a1
mtDNA: D4 (East Asian)


Population
Gedrosia 18.95 Pct
Siberian 3.27 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.28 Pct
North_European 18.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_Asian 3.87 Pct
Caucasus 45.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: *****
2.44313323 Karachay
3.00699185 Circassian
3.15917711 Balkar
3.58567985 Abazin
3.97322287 Ossetian
4.01105971 Kumyks
4.13054476 Adyghe
4.78735835 Ingush
4.97046276 Kabardin
6.40916531 Chechen
7.63317758 Ossetian_South
10.75596579 Qumuq
12.86482802 Lak
12.96751325 Abkhazian
13.20493847 Lezgin
13.65818070 Kubachi_Dagestan
14.70348598 Kaitag_Dagestan
14.78175903 Avar
14.94983612 Georgian
15.00077331 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.10593592 Tabasaran
15.46994829 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.47945735 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.69427921 Turk_Ahiska
15.78705799 Dargin



Target: *****
Distance: 1.5501% / 1.55007024 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.5 Ossetian_South
28.9 Karachay
24.1 Ossetian
11.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
2.6 Spanish_Basque
2.0 Korean



Target: *****
Distance: 2.3546% / 2.35462412 | ADC: 0.5x RC
86.5 Karachay
13.5 Ingush

[Leto]

Another Karachay result from my matchlist

Y-DNA: J2a1
mtDNA: D4 (East Asian)

The reference is good.:thumb001:

[Leto]

One Georgian account (I'm censoring the email address because it's a public forum). Non-Georgian kits are in red

Email: K***RI2000@YAHOO.COM

Kit Number: T043342
Name: *AG

Kit Number: T124469
Name: *JW

Kit Number: T528550
Name: Angi Gavashelishvili

Kit Number: T763751
Name: Arm5

Kit Number: T913034
Name: Arm9

Kit Number: T107534
Name: Arm12

Kit Number: T699065
Name: Arm16

Kit Number: T053436
Name: Arm24

Kit Number: T303331
Name: daTo_H66

Kit Number: T092343
Name: kax_H64

Kit Number: T946422
Name: kax_H70

Kit Number: T604032
Name: kax_H94

Kit Number: T029625
Name: kax_H148

Kit Number: T037787
Name: kax_H167

Kit Number: T904081
Name: msx_1m

Kit Number: T907644
Name: msx_12m

Kit Number: T593666
Name: msx_23m

Kit Number: T428540
Name: msx_25m

Kit Number: T254774
Name: msx_38m

Kit Number: T771501
Name: smg_H131

Kit Number: T663901
Name: smg_H132

Kit Number: T203531
Name: smg_H134

Kit Number: T568174
Name: smg_H135

Kit Number: T832413
Name: smg_H146

Kit Number: T689135
Name: svn_H213

Kit Number: T086046
Name: svn_H214

Kit Number: T880318
Name: svn_H218

Kit Number: T018906
Name: svn_H221

Kit Number: T701391
Name: svn_H223

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Kit Number: T755309
Name: TS_H184

Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Kit Number: A275295
Name: AZ_Belarus

Kit Number: A968389
Name: HZ_Belarus

I wanted to use some of the for averages but they seem to be relatives.

Another account, the owner appears to have a Ukrainian grandmother

Email: J***L.G***TIDZE@GMAIL.COM

Kit Number: M093855

Gedrosia 13.08 Pct
Siberian 0.79 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
North_European 21.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.38 Pct
Caucasus 45.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M012621
R2 J1 (1627 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.17 Pct
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Northwest_African 0.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.16 Pct
North_European 14.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
East_African 0.09 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 52.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M111145
K1b1c J1* (3587.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.07 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.71 Pct
North_European 6.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.1 Pct
East_Asian 0.56 Pct
Caucasus 58.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M014030

Gedrosia 19.65 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.23 Pct
North_European 12.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Caucasus 54.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T789643
(1679.8 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.04 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.92 Pct
North_European 7.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.5 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Caucasus 52.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T397726
Name: *Georgian

Gedrosia 19.89 Pct
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Northwest_African 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.37 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.26 Pct
North_European 13.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T254485
Name: *Laz2

Kit Number: T979947
Name: *Laz3

Kit Number: T344458
Name: *Laz4

Kit Number: T721535

Gedrosia 18.49 Pct
Siberian 0.37 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.71 Pct
North_European 8.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.62 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T876441

Gedrosia 17.86 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.58 Pct
North_European 10.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T720875

Gedrosia 5.78 Pct
Siberian 3.63 Pct
Northwest_African 0.67 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.84 Pct
North_European 41.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.83 Pct
East_African 2.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.5 Pct
East_Asian 1.18 Pct
Caucasus 16.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan 7.55 Pct

Kit Number: T678723
K1b1c R2a* (948.3 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.03 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.6 Pct
North_European 6.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T525141

Gedrosia 12.29 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.46 Pct
North_European 35.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_Asian 0.59 Pct
Caucasus 32.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T500470
(1976.9 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 2.45 Pct
Siberian 2.32 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 23.98 Pct
North_European 52.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.94 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Caucasus 15.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T716434
K1b1c J1-BY70 (2007.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.66 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.67 Pct
North_European 7.9 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.91 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 55.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T101123

Gedrosia 21.05 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.65 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.3 Pct
North_European 8.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

If any of you guys are interested in exploring them, you are welcome. But apparently most regular readers here are no fans of the Georgians for whatever reason ;)

[Sterling Archer]

One Georgian account (I'm censoring the email address because it's a public forum). Non-Georgian kits are in red


Another account, the owner appears to have a Ukrainian grandmother

Email: J***L.G***TIDZE@GMAIL.COM

Kit Number: M093855

Gedrosia 13.08 Pct
Siberian 0.79 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
North_European 21.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.38 Pct
Caucasus 45.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M012621
R2 J1 (1627 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.17 Pct
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Northwest_African 0.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.16 Pct
North_European 14.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
East_African 0.09 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 52.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M111145
K1b1c J1* (3587.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.07 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.71 Pct
North_European 6.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.1 Pct
East_Asian 0.56 Pct
Caucasus 58.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M014030

Gedrosia 19.65 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.23 Pct
North_European 12.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Caucasus 54.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T789643
(1679.8 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.04 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.92 Pct
North_European 7.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.5 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Caucasus 52.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T397726
Name: *Georgian

Gedrosia 19.89 Pct
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Northwest_African 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.37 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.26 Pct
North_European 13.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T254485
Name: *Laz2

Kit Number: T979947
Name: *Laz3

Kit Number: T344458
Name: *Laz4

Kit Number: T721535

Gedrosia 18.49 Pct
Siberian 0.37 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.71 Pct
North_European 8.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.62 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T876441

Gedrosia 17.86 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.58 Pct
North_European 10.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T720875

Gedrosia 5.78 Pct
Siberian 3.63 Pct
Northwest_African 0.67 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.84 Pct
North_European 41.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.83 Pct
East_African 2.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.5 Pct
East_Asian 1.18 Pct
Caucasus 16.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan 7.55 Pct

Kit Number: T678723
K1b1c R2a* (948.3 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.03 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.6 Pct
North_European 6.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T525141

Gedrosia 12.29 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.46 Pct
North_European 35.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_Asian 0.59 Pct
Caucasus 32.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T500470
(1976.9 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 2.45 Pct
Siberian 2.32 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 23.98 Pct
North_European 52.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.94 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Caucasus 15.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T716434
K1b1c J1-BY70 (2007.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.66 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.67 Pct
North_European 7.9 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.91 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 55.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T101123

Gedrosia 21.05 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.65 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.3 Pct
North_European 8.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

If any of you guys are interested in exploring them, you are welcome. But apparently most regular readers here are no fans of the Georgians for whatever reason ;)

Some of the results here look more than quarter Ukrainian.
For example T525141 looks like he/she is only half Georgian:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 48.6% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.18
2 57% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) + 43% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.65
3 57.5% Balkars (Yunusbayev) + 42.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.67
4 58.2% Adygei (HGDP) + 41.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.1
5 50.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 49.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.17
6 57.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) + 42.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.45
7 58.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) + 41.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.52
8 55.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 44.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.64


First one though (M093855) looks like he is indeedquarter Ukrainina/Slavic:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 44.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.11
2 71.6% Armenians (Behar) + 28.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
3 70.6% Armenians (Behar) + 29.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
4 70.7% Armenians (Behar) + 29.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.76
5 71.2% Armenians (Behar) + 28.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84
6 75.3% Armenians (Behar) + 24.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3
7 71.9% Armenians (Behar) + 28.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.02

[Aren]

Important to not that (Azeri and Dagestani)Tats and Kurds will likely be very different.
Here is an interesting article about Muslim and Jewish tats from Dagestan:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22275152/

Tats' haplogroups were found to be similar to Kubachin and Avars:
J1-M267 65%
J2-M172 5%
R1b1-P25 25%

I read somewhere that it is likely that they are persianized Caucasians.

The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.

To be clear, I'm talking about Iranian Tats who speak a NW Iranian language. They are particularly interesting since their language descends from Old Azeri and the only somewhat clear linguistical descendants of the Medes.

[Aren]

Kurd from Arbil/Erbil:

Gedrosian: 24.51
Siberian: 1.55
Northwest_African: 0.55
Southeast_Asian: 1.10
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 7.02
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.22
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.39
Sub_Saharan: 0.10


Distance to: Kurd_Erbil
1.64687583 Kurd_Kurmanji
2.22418524 Zaza
2.37987395 Kurd_Adygea
3.11855736 Yazidi
3.98684085 Kurd_Sorani
4.16661733 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.94726187 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.28264138 Iraq_Turkmen
5.66612743 Lur_Iran
6.04093536 Iranian
6.43668393 Azerbaijani
6.57007610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.78446018 Iran_Central
7.36452986 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.35212548 Turk_Southeast
8.52489883 Iranian_Fars
9.00101105 Turk_East
10.12345791 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.92318177 Mandean
11.10561570 Turk_Central_East
11.11729284 Azeri_Jew
11.39444163 Iran_C_East
11.51163325 Iranian_Jew
11.55340210 Iran_Mazandaran
11.77008921 Assyrian_North

Target: Kurd_Erbil
Distance: 1.2903% / 1.29025836 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
35.2 Zaza
6.8 Iranian
2.7 Mandean
1.4 Kurd_Adygea
0.7 Cambodians

Can you PM me the kit?
Or is this Halgurd's father?

[harutsafaryan07]

it is Armenians from Akhaltsikhe and Akhalkalaki ?

1

Gedrosia 16.67 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.44 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.83 Pct
North_European 5.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 17.02 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 46.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm5
4.36798581 Armenian_West
4.56474534 Assyrian_West
5.13356601 Assyrian_North
5.17171152 Assyrian_South
5.59198534 Azeri_Jew
6.00024166 Armenian_East
6.85646410 Turk_East
7.32119526 Nusayri_Turkey
7.55125817 Kurdish_Jew
7.66777673 Iranian_Jew
7.89917717 Greek_Cappadocia
8.02789512 Iraqi_Jew
8.56951574 Mandean
8.83401381 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.72034464 Lebanese_Christian
10.11283838 Greek_Pontus
10.70641864 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.74537575 Zaza


2

Gedrosia 18.35 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.68 Pct
North_European 3.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.25 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 15.84 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 52.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm9
3.62048339 Armenian_East
5.42848966 Armenian_West
6.75810624 Turk_Ahiska
6.92434834 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.15993715 Assyrian_North
7.26030991 Azeri_Jew
7.33828999 Greek_Pontus
7.38652828 Hemshin
7.40636888 Turk_East
7.51445274 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.54088191 Assyrian_West
7.75075480 Assyrian_South
8.48882206 Laz
9.95821269 Georgian
10.53824938 Kurdish_Jew
10.59173263 Iranian_Jew
10.62217021 Georgian_Adjara
10.79132059 Georgian_Turkey

3

Gedrosia 16.16 Pct
Siberian 0.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.96 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 16.33 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 50.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm12
3.80245973 Armenian_West
4.54397403 Armenian_East
6.04470843 Assyrian_North
6.11409028 Greek_Pontus
6.36044810 Assyrian_West
6.38400345 Azeri_Jew
6.64463694 Assyrian_South
6.64468208 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.86384732 Hemshin
8.10254898 Laz
8.34813752 Turk_Ahiska
8.83542302 Turk_East
9.29411642 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.63896779 Kurdish_Jew
9.91366733 Iranian_Jew
10.18639779 Georgian_Adjara
10.47512768 Iraqi_Jew
10.65049295 Mandean
10.82692015 Georgian_Turkey
11.60805755 Georgian
12.54002791 Zaza


4

Gedrosia 16.16 Pct
Siberian 0.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.96 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 16.33 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 50.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm16
1.77969098 Armenian_West
4.59237411 Assyrian_West
5.14788306 Assyrian_North
5.23926522 Armenian_East
5.32693157 Assyrian_South
5.87253778 Azeri_Jew
6.35735008 Greek_Pontus
7.59164014 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.30973525 Kurdish_Jew
8.70243069 Turk_East
8.82544616 Iraqi_Jew
8.92311605 Greek_Cappadocia
8.96955963 Iranian_Jew
9.38642637 Hemshin
9.63361303 Nusayri_Turkey
9.96426615 Mandean
10.56741217 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.57793458 Laz
11.08255837 Lebanese_Christian
11.19100532 Turk_Ahiska
12.99924613 Greek_Cypriot
13.22632602 Georgian_Adjara
13.39061238 Zaza
13.86309129 Lebanese_Muslim
14.01012491 Turk_Central_East


5
Gedrosia 17.95 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.39 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.63 Pct
North_European 4.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 17.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 49.17 Pct
Sub_Saharan -








Distance to: Arm24
3.34659528 Armenian_West
3.46125700 Assyrian_North
3.69655245 Azeri_Jew
3.77771095 Assyrian_West
3.99889985 Assyrian_South
4.72526190 Armenian_East
6.84918243 Kurdish_Jew
7.06763044 Iranian_Jew
7.68395081 Turk_East
7.74907091 Iraqi_Jew
7.96020100 Mandean
8.41510547 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.57521428 Greek_Pontus
8.97932069 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.97063689 Hemshin
10.10338557 Turk_Ahiska


kit

Kit Number: T763751
Name: Arm5

Kit Number: T913034
Name: Arm9

Kit Number: T107534
Name: Arm12

Kit Number: T699065
Name: Arm16

Kit Number: T053436
Name: Arm24

[Kyp]

Can you PM me the kit?
Or is this Halgurd's father?

Might be I don't remember. Just had it saved as Erbil without Number.

[Leto]

From Sirjan, Kerman province, Iran
photo (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=103477924332795&set=a.103477967666124)

Very non-Aryan haplogroups!
Y: B-M109 (Negroid)
mt: M4a (South Asian)

Gedrosia 28.61 Pct
Siberian 2.41 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.24 Pct
North_European 8.77 Pct
South_Asian 5.23 Pct
East_African 0.12 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.97 Pct
East_Asian 1.6 Pct
Caucasus 33.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.69 Pct

Distance to: Mehdi
4.08600049 Iranian_Fars
5.14629964 Iran_Khorasan
7.86945360 Yazidi
7.95403042 Iranian
8.04838493 Lur_Iran
8.42798908 Kurd_Sorani
9.13365754 Kurd_Adygea
9.28516559 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.86933635 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.88911523 Iraq_Turkmen

Distance to: Mehdi
2.71270103 86.60% Iranian_Fars + 13.40% Yagnobi
2.84491082 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.90266395 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Rushan
2.91241927 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.95638297 95.20% Iranian_Fars + 4.80% Udmurt
2.96377070 87.80% Iranian_Fars + 12.20% Tajik_Mountain
2.98000459 88.00% Iranian_Fars + 12.00% Tajik_Lowland
2.99954304 78.20% Lur_Iran + 21.80% Pamiri_Ishkashim
3.02102498 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Rushan
3.04921437 95.40% Iranian_Fars + 4.60% Mari

Target: Mehdi
Distance: 1.8824% / 1.88243661 | R3P
70.8 Lur_Iran
24.1 Pamiri_Shughnan
5.1 Saudi

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

[Mejgusu]

He looks rather Turkish than Iranian for me.

[Leto]

He looks rather Turkish than Iranian for me.
Well, his mongoloid is likely higher than that of Recep Erdogan xD

[Sterling Archer]

Well, his mongoloid is likely higher than that of Recep Erdogan xD

That is not saying much. Probably most people here have higher mongoloid than Recep ))

[Sterling Archer]

On a second thought, I can't find any proofe that he is Laz/Adjaran. Has it been confirmed?
I know that he implied so before, but he then denied it fervently.

[Mejgusu]

On a second thought, I can't find any proofe that he is Laz/Adjaran. Has it been confirmed?
I know that he implied so before, but he then denied it fervently.

He is a Georgian originally from Batumi but born in Rize, his wife is an Arab.

[Dr_Maul]

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

In what sense?

[Altaylı]

From Sirjan, Kerman province, Iran
photo (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1034795&set=a.103477967666124)

Very non-Aryan haplogroups!
Y: B-M109 (Negroid)
mt: M4a (South Asian)

Gedrosia 28.61 Pct
Siberian 2.41 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.24 Pct
North_European 8.77 Pct
South_Asian 5.23 Pct
East_African 0.12 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.97 Pct
East_Asian 1.6 Pct
Caucasus 33.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.69 Pct

Distance to: Mehdi
4.08600049 Iranian_Fars
5.14629964 Iran_Khorasan
7.86945360 Yazidi
7.95403042 Iranian
8.04838493 Lur_Iran
8.42798908 Kurd_Sorani
9.13365754 Kurd_Adygea
9.28516559 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.86933635 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.88911523 Iraq_Turkmen

Distance to: Mehdi
2.71270103 86.60% Iranian_Fars + 13.40% Yagnobi
2.84491082 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.90266395 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Rushan
2.91241927 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.95638297 95.20% Iranian_Fars + 4.80% Udmurt
2.96377070 87.80% Iranian_Fars + 12.20% Tajik_Mountain
2.98000459 88.00% Iranian_Fars + 12.00% Tajik_Lowland
2.99954304 78.20% Lur_Iran + 21.80% Pamiri_Ishkashim
3.02102498 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Rushan
3.04921437 95.40% Iranian_Fars + 4.60% Mari

Target: Mehdi
Distance: 1.8824% / 1.88243661 | R3P
70.8 Lur_Iran
24.1 Pamiri_Shughnan
5.1 Saudi

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

Karaboğa origin

[Kyp]

[B]

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

Yes i have an average for Kerman region:

Distance to: Sirjan
3.92433434 Iran_C_East
4.08600049 Iranian_Fars
4.64284396 Iran_Central
5.14629964 Iran_Khorasan
7.86945360 Yazidi


East Asian could come from the Afshar or Bichaghchi (Arasbaran) tribe of Sirjan

[Leto]

In what sense?
Maybe more Northern or something. But Kyp says he's not unusual.

[Leto]

Was lookig through the matches of another person (trying to help him figure out his ancestry) and found this individual. Presumably from Turkey (just put Ilkay as his name). Y-DNA is listed as O-M95 but I don't see much Xi Jinping in his results

Gedrosia 23.8 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Northwest_African 0.7 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.36 Pct
North_European 8.41 Pct
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_African 0.47 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.78 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 43.39 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ilkay
2.63058929 Zaza
3.49509657 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.16237913 Kurd_Adygea
4.41013605 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.47466200 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.79033678 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.18558001 Yazidi
6.37370379 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.76334976 Kurd_Sorani
7.08218187 Azerbaijani

Target: Ilkay
Distance: 1.2852% / 1.28522037 | ADC: 0.5x RC
32.9 Zaza
31.3 Udi_Azerbaijan
28.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Ilkay
Distance: 1.4845% / 1.48445981 | ADC: 1x RC
43.3 Talysh_Azerbaijan
36.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
19.8 Zaza

Distance to: Ilkay
1.22315457 13.00% Ossetian_South + 87.00% Zaza
1.35638207 12.40% Abkhazian + 87.60% Zaza
1.37413489 18.40% Georgian_Svan + 81.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.41121894 10.60% Georgian_Svan + 89.40% Zaza
1.47577716 12.00% Kumyks + 88.00% Zaza
1.48009287 21.00% Abkhazian + 79.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.48609033 19.00% Georgian_Gurian + 81.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.53138747 12.40% Ossetian + 87.60% Zaza
1.56191151 13.20% Adyghe + 86.80% Zaza
1.56312722 19.40% Abkhazian + 80.60% Kurd_Adygea

[Mejgusu]

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

[Kaspias]

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

Black Sea region has a significant amount of C AFAIK. It could rather be related to Tatars rather than direct Mongol footprint though.

Furthermore, 2 O and 1 C individuals had been found in Balkan Turks among 130 samples, if that helps.

[Dr_Maul]

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

Turkish DNA project on FTDNA has some O+C and even 2 D's, but overall out of the entire nation its probably something like 0.01%

[Altaylı]

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKS-3ZaEtQ
Here is C from Samsun

[Kaspias]

Black Sea region has a significant amount of C AFAIK. It could rather be related to Tatars rather than direct Mongol footprint though.

Furthermore, 2 O and 1 C individuals had been found in Balkan Turks among 130 samples, if that helps.

Well yeah, this is Anatolian Turks, non-Turks from Anatolia excluded:

N=304 (Source: TurkishDNA)

https://i.ibb.co/6gs8WVY/Anadolu.png



And this is Balkan Turks, non-Turks from Balkans excluded:

https://i.ibb.co/wphVX5S/BTY-DNA-2020-Haziran-m.png

[Kyp]

Azerbaijan has a couple of O

[Mejgusu]

Thanks guys, i hope you didn’t misunderstood me, i meant with „very rare“ not even 1%. I mostly used Youtube, other portals and this famiythree website for my Y-Dna list, i tried to visit Turkishdna project but then it was not possible, it seems they have sometimes problems with the upkeep of this website. Unfortunately i don’t have „contacts“ or „sources“ like you guys to find more information hahaha. But still i doubt that Mongolians left genetic leftover in Anatolia. Like you said @Kaspias, the haplogroup C is probably of Tatar (and maybe even it could came from Caucasian migrants, dont have Tats or another group there a big amount of this haplogroup?) or Oghuz origin. I tried to make a list or map of all haplogroups since there are definitely some interesting features among Turks, for example why that some regions have visible N and some Q. That could help us to understand the genetic history of Oghuz Turks.

[Leto]

An adoptee from Russia (registered on TA as Lorca). There was a thread about him back in 2018, now the guy has resurfaced. Presumably he is Azerbaijani with a Russian grandparent.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 21.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 32.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lorca
2.39197121 36.80% Tatar_Mishar + 63.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.41365764 72.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.00% Russian_Ryazan
2.43328452 67.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 32.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.48835058 72.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 27.80% Russian_Oryol
2.52360687 73.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 26.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
2.56512297 76.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 23.80% Finnish_West
2.57503904 71.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 29.00% Ukrainian
2.58777279 72.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 27.80% Polish_mixed
2.61612249 71.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.20% Ukrainian
2.62416372 71.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 28.40% Russian_Oryol

[Sterling Archer]

An adoptee from Russia (registered on TA as Lorca). There was a thread about him back in 2018, now the guy has resurfaced. Presumably he is Azerbaijani with a Russian grandparent.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 21.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 32.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lorca
2.39197121 36.80% Tatar_Mishar + 63.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.41365764 72.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.00% Russian_Ryazan
2.43328452 67.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 32.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.48835058 72.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 27.80% Russian_Oryol
2.52360687 73.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 26.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
2.56512297 76.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 23.80% Finnish_West
2.57503904 71.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 29.00% Ukrainian
2.58777279 72.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 27.80% Polish_mixed
2.61612249 71.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.20% Ukrainian
2.62416372 71.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 28.40% Russian_Oryol

This would be a very typical mix in Azerbaijan (Republic), especially in the capital region. The number of people I personally know who have either one of their parents or grand parents be Russian is quite high. Not that many people test though.
Recently I was surprised to find out that the guy who I went to school with and hang around had a Russian grandma ))

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani from Baku:

Gedrosian: 21.94
Siberian: 1.86
Northwest_African: 0.08
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 8.19
South_Asian: 1.48
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.23
East_Asian: 2.98
Caucasian: 42.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku
3.52292492 Zaza
3.83135746 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.88515122 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.58048032 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.60785199 Azerbaijani
5.00198960 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.40592268 Kurd_Adygea
5.41779475 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.28347038 Turk_East
6.54091737 Turk_Southeast
6.71045453 Yazidi
6.73643081 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78375265 Kurd_Sorani
8.35192792 Turk_Central_East
8.55983061 Iranian
8.79776108 Lur_Iran
9.34202869 Iran_Central
10.01230243 Turk_South
10.11734155 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.32124992 Armenian_East
10.69512038 Azeri_Jew
11.03450497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.03494449 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.17450670 Turk_Central_West
11.17600555 Iranian_Fars

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.0364% / 1.03641116 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Zaza
13.8 Kumyks
11.7 Azeri_Jew
9.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.7 Japanese
1.4 Kuwait2

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from Baku:

Gedrosian: 21.94
Siberian: 1.86
Northwest_African: 0.08
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 8.19
South_Asian: 1.48
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.23
East_Asian: 2.98
Caucasian: 42.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku
3.52292492 Zaza
3.83135746 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.88515122 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.58048032 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.60785199 Azerbaijani
5.00198960 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.40592268 Kurd_Adygea
5.41779475 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.28347038 Turk_East
6.54091737 Turk_Southeast
6.71045453 Yazidi
6.73643081 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78375265 Kurd_Sorani
8.35192792 Turk_Central_East
8.55983061 Iranian
8.79776108 Lur_Iran
9.34202869 Iran_Central
10.01230243 Turk_South
10.11734155 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.32124992 Armenian_East
10.69512038 Azeri_Jew
11.03450497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.03494449 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.17450670 Turk_Central_West
11.17600555 Iranian_Fars

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.0364% / 1.03641116 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Zaza
13.8 Kumyks
11.7 Azeri_Jew
9.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.7 Japanese
1.4 Kuwait2

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

[Fedora]

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.
Lower Gedrosia and higher eurasian indicate turkic admixture.

[Sterling Archer]

Lower Gedrosia and higher eurasian indicate turkic admixture.

But higher SW Asia and Caucasus indicate Kurdish. I mean his/her first pop is Zaza ))
I am almost certain that this person is either full or half Kurdish.
Even if he claims he is not, once we find out which part of the country he or his parents are from, we might be able to clarify this moment.

What I wrote about Kurds above is not a simple anecdote. Large population of Kurds in the Caucasus could not suddenly disappear. Many do not like to point out that they are Kurdish. It is almost wilful assimilation.

[Kyp]

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

Most likely he is mixed yes. Kurds are part of Azerbaijani ethnogenesis (in some regions) and Baku is a melting pot. But I doubt he is fully Kurdish.

Zaza is not a pure Kurdish reference (in my opinion).

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Zoro]

But higher SW Asia and Caucasus indicate Kurdish. I mean his/her first pop is Zaza ))
I am almost certain that this person is either full or half Kurdish.
Even if he claims he is not, once we find out which part of the country he or his parents are from, we might be able to clarify this moment.

What I wrote about Kurds above is not a simple anecdote. Large population of Kurds in the Caucasus could not suddenly disappear. Many do not like to point out that they are Kurdish. It is almost wilful assimilation.

Sad but true. Something similar happened with the Kurds in Iran where a bunch started identifying as Lurs although in many cases voluntarily

[Leto]

Most of the Caucasus Kurds were deported/resettled in Kazakhstan in the 1930-40s. Around 45,000 Kurds live today in Southeastern Kazakhstan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

[Zoro]

The Zazas (also known as Kird, Kirmanc or Dimili)[6] are a people in eastern Turkey who speak the Zaza language. Their heartland consists of Tunceli and Bingöl provinces and parts of Elazığ, Erzincan and Diyarbakır provinces.[2] Zazas generally[7] consider themselves Kurds,[8][5][9][10] and are often described as Zaza Kurds.

More recent data from 2005 suggests that the Zaza-speaking population varies from approximately 2 to 4 million.[1] Many Zazas only speak Kurmanji Kurdish as it was believed that the Zaza language was an offshoot of Kurmanji.[3]

While Zazas largely consider themselves Kurds,[7] some researches consider Zazas to be a separate ethnic group, and treat them as such in their academic work.[16] A scientific report from 2005 concluded that Zazas share the same genetical pattern as other Kurdish groups and did not support the hypothesis of Zazas originating from Northern Iran.[17]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazas

[Sterling Archer]

Most likely he is mixed yes. Kurds are part of Azerbaijani ethnogenesis (in some regions) and Baku is a melting pot. But I doubt he is fully Kurdish.

Very true, Kurds played part in the ethnogenesis of Iranian and Karabakh Azbaijanis. Although most people when they point out similarity usually think that this apply to the whole Azerbaijan, forgetting that Western and Northern Azeris are very different.
Of course Baku is a whole different animal.


Baku is a melting pot.

You have no idea )) I wish there was a comprehensive testing of Baku's population. It is a literal melting pot.
That is why I mentioned Russians above. Azerbaijan had the biggest Russian population in the Caucasus and Azerbaijanis extensively intermarried with Russians, especially in Baku and Sumgayit.
Large scale testing will doubtless show this. Azeris just recently warming up to DNA tests, but still way behind many other nations.

[Sterling Archer]

Most of the Caucasus Kurds were deported/resettled in Kazakhstan in the 1930-40s. Around 45,000 Kurds live today in Southeastern Kazakhstan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

A lot remained in Karabakh, even though they usually chose not to identify as Kurds.

[Sterling Archer]

Yoruk from Mersin:
https://i.imgur.com/a9FiaOB.png

[Zoro]

Very true, Kurds played part in the ethnogenesis of Iranian and Karabakh Azbaijanis. Although most people when they point out similarity usually think that this apply to the whole Azerbaijan, forgetting that Western and Northern Azeris are very different.
Of course Baku is a whole different animal.




That explains why Iraqi Kurds get more E Azerbaijan matches than western or northern

https://i.imgur.com/uqfbifp.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/ZzqDLxu.jpg

[Impaler]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazas

What is the difference between Kurds from Turkey and Zazas?

[Sterling Archer]

That explains why Iraqi Kurds get more E Azerbaijan matches than western or northern



North Azeris form sort of a continuum with Dagestani people, and are very close to Lezgin, Avars, etc.
Dagestani Azeris (from Russia) are even more northern shifted. I have seen one with more than 20% NE for example.

Western Azeris tend to have the highest East Asian admixture and tend to be similar to Turks from Turkey. I have seen a result of Azerbaijani from Gadabay (in western (republic) Azerbaijan) who actually was closest to Yoruk. I think it was poseted by Kyp. Maybe he can dug it up ))
I have personal friend from Gadabay who has epithantic fold ))) This region (Gadabay) also tend to produce quite a lot of blond, blue eyed people for some reason. Go figure ))

[Leto]

Of course Baku is a whole different animal.


You have no idea )) I wish there was a comprehensive testing of Baku's population. It is a literal melting pot.
That is why I mentioned Russians above. Azerbaijan had the biggest Russian population in the Caucasus and Azerbaijanis extensively intermarried with Russians, especially in Baku and Sumgayit.
Large scale testing will doubtless show this. Azeris just recently warming up to DNA tests, but still way behind many other nations.
Excuse me, are you from the "Russian sector" yourself? A big minority of people in Baku still go to Russian-medium schools and use Russian on a daily basis.

[Zoro]

What is the difference between Kurds from Turkey and Zazas?

Zazas are a subset of Kurds of Turkey. Different tribes is what differentiates Kurds. Being that Kurds span a large area in West Asia there's regional variation.

[Zoro]

North Azeris form sort of a continuum with Dagestani people, and are very close to Lezgin, Avars, etc.
Dagestani Azeris (from Russia) are even more northern shifted. I have seen one with more than 20% NE for example.

Western Azeris tend to have the highest East Asian admixture and tend to be similar to Turks from Turkey. I have seen a result of Azerbaijani from Gadabay (in western (republic) Azerbaijan) who actually was closest to Yoruk. I think it was poseted by Kyp. Maybe he can dug it up ))
I have personal friend from Gadabay who has epithantic fold ))) This region (Gadabay) also tend to produce quite a lot of blond, blue eyed people for some reason. Go figure ))

Somethiing like this Kurd from Turkey?

https://i.imgur.com/PPxxWCU.jpg

[Sterling Archer]

Excuse me, are you from the "Russian sector" yourself? A big minority of people in Baku still go to Russian-medium schools and use Russian on a daily basis.

No, but I knew Russian due to the fact that the language was spoken around me growing up, and I did my bachelors degree in Saint Petersburg. So I am fluent in Russian without having been in "Russian sector" ))

[Sterling Archer]

Somethiing like this Kurd from Turkey?

[/IMG]
No, friend also has ash blond hair(which got a bit darker), blue eyes and is ghastly pale.

More like these yoruks:
https://i.imgur.com/d2oXP0A.png

[Kyp]

North Azeris form sort of a continuum with Dagestani people, and are very close to Lezgin, Avars, etc.
Dagestani Azeris (from Russia) are even more northern shifted. I have seen one with more than 20% NE for example.

Western Azeris tend to have the highest East Asian admixture and tend to be similar to Turks from Turkey. I have seen a result of Azerbaijani from Gadabay (in western (republic) Azerbaijan) who actually was closest to Yoruk. I think it was poseted by Kyp. Maybe he can dug it up ))
I have personal friend from Gadabay who has epithantic fold ))) This region (Gadabay) also tend to produce quite a lot of blond, blue eyed people for some reason. Go figure ))

I think you are overexaggerating the differences a bit. I wouldn't go that far in saying they form a continuum with Avars and Lezgins. Although Lezgin ancestry seems to be present in North of the Republic.
Also Northwestern Azerbaijanis are not closer to Turks than they are to other Azerbaijanis. The old Yoruk average was fishy and is now deleted it was based on one sample from Adana (Southern Turkey). I have pretty much all results from the Northwest and they are still closer to other Azerbaijanis, just their East Asian is a bit higher. My father has epithantic fold too even I have it a bit.

Here is the average for Northwest Gedebay/Aghstafa etc.:

Gedrosian: 20.74
Siberian: 3.35
Northwest_African: 1.06
Southeast_Asian: 0.83
Atlantic_Med: 9.79
North_European: 8.43
South_Asian: 1.38
East_African 0.29
Southwest_Asian: 11.09
East_Asian: 5.25
Caucasian: 37.33
Sub_Saharan: 0.07

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Northwest
2.87059227 Azerbaijani
3.45446088 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.86688505 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.42583325 Turk_Southeast
6.16173677 Turk_South
6.38920183 Turk_Central_East
7.11806153 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.40380983 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.77724887 Turk_Central_West
8.08899252 Zaza
8.49734664 Iraq_Turkmen
8.57856631 Yazidi
8.82665282 Kurd_Adygea
8.94517188 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.26475580 Kurd_Sorani
9.59849988 Turk_East
9.65874215 Turk_Southwest
10.07051637 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.27455595 Iran_Central
10.30769130 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.27015971 Iranian
11.33549293 Lur_Iran
11.43364771 Iranian_Fars
11.65627299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.08017798 Iran_Khorasan

Target: Azerbaijani_Northwest
Distance: 1.2135% / 1.21354877 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
29.1 Yazidi
19.3 Turk_Southwest
2.2 Japanese
1.0 Hazara

[Zoro]

No, friend also has ash blond hair(which got a bit darker), blue eyes and is ghastly pale.

More like these yoruks:
https://i.imgur.com/d2oXP0A.png

Ah ok. Just like kurds Azeris have a large range of phenotypes. Some are very Turkmenistan looking others very Russian and Caucasus and still others Turkish and Iranian

[Altaylı]

Ah ok. Just like kurds Azeris have a large range of phenotypes. Some are very Turkmenistan looking others very Russian and Caucasus and still others Turkish and Iranian

Kurds dont look Turanid in general. I think Turanid is atypical for kurds

[Zoro]

Kurds dont look Turanid in general. I think Turanid is atypical for kurds

I never said Turanid is the predominant Kurdish phenotype but there’s still a decent amount of kurds with turanid phenotypes and it could be regional. For example i noticed more in Sulemani Iraq. Haven’t been to Turkey so I don’t know how it is among Zazas and other kurds. In Iran it seems to be regional also and i also see some with kurdish youtube vloggers.

Even with my cousins a brother could be turanid, the other slavic, the other Iranic. Thing is 3 brothers can each have 10% E. Asian. One brother’s 10% could be in phenotype genes, the other brother’s 10% can be in non-phenotype genes so only 1 will look turanid

[Sterling Archer]

I think you are overexaggerating the differences a bit. I wouldn't go that far in saying they form a continuum with Avars and Lezgins. Although Lezgin ancestry seems to be present in North of the Republic.

Not just the republic. There are also Derbent and Dagestani Azeris.
I don't think it is exaggeration to be honest. Here are the proximity for Azerbaijanis from Zagata-Balaken region. Average is taken from Azeri-Turkic DNA project:
https://i.imgur.com/JoNzh3R.png
Also, results of the Azeris from Derbent:
https://i.imgur.com/oycD1qO.png

Both groups are rather close to Dagestani people, especially to Tsakhur and less so to Ingush, Kumyk, Lezgin, Chechen.
I think once we have enough samples, Guba(2 results I know are very similar to Dagestani Azeris), Khachmaz and other northern regions will be similar too.



Also Northwestern Azerbaijanis are not closer to Turks than they are to other Azerbaijanis. The old Yoruk average was fishy and is now deleted it was based on one sample from Adana (Southern Turkey). I have pretty much all results from the Northwest and they are still closer to other Azerbaijanis, just their East Asian is a bit higher. My father has epithantic fold too even I have it a bit.

Point taken. Maybe I mixed it with single result from Kars or Igdir that matched with Turks first, before Azeris. But number do not lie, and averages will be close to Aeris first in the end.



My father has epithantic fold too even I have it a bit.

I find it fascinating. That region produces "Asian eyes" paired with blond hair and blue eyes. Almost like Saami.

[Kyp]

Not just the republic. There are also Derbent and Dagestani Azeris.
I don't think it is exaggeration to be honest. Here are the proximity for Azerbaijanis from Zagata-Balaken region. Average is taken from Azeri-Turkic DNA project:

Both groups are rather close to Dagestani people, especially to Tsakhur and less so to Ingush, Kumyk, Lezgin, Chechen.
I think once we have enough samples, Guba(2 results I know are very similar to Dagestani Azeris), Khachmaz and other northern regions will be similar too.



Yes in the north they approach Dagestani Azerbaijani results. However they are still far away from Avars.

The average of those cities in the north plots like this:

Distance to: Azerbaijani_North
5.66033568 Azerbaijani
5.68364320 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83732816 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.88298394 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.67163607 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.70425207 Zaza
7.95960426 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.19094012 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan

Basically between Dagestan Azerbaijanis and regular Azerbaijanis. I don't know maybe in the future they will approach closer to Dagestan Azeris or the opposite will happen. I suspect the average will remain stable. Probably the North_Euro average is somewhere around 13%.

Note: Even Dagestan Azerbaijanis are southern shifted in terms of Dagestan in general.


Point taken. Maybe I mixed it with single result from Kars or Igdir that matched with Turks first, before Azeris. But number do not lie, and averages will be close to Aeris first in the end.

Yes I know which result you mean. But this result never got confirmed the person didn't want to reveal the kitnumber. I suspect it wasn't actually an Azerbaijani result. It also wasn't consistent with other results from Kars/Igdir.

[Sterling Archer]

Yes in the north they approach Dagestani Azerbaijani results. However they are still far away from Avars.

Yeah, I just added Avars as a proxy for Dagestani people, didn't mean Avars specifically.
My point was that the different between the N. Azeris and Dagestani people is not large, and that the transition is smooth, which the calculator shows.


The average of those cities in the north plots like this:

Distance to: Azerbaijani_North
5.66033568 Azerbaijani
5.68364320 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83732816 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.88298394 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.67163607 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.70425207 Zaza
7.95960426 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.19094012 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan

Basically between Dagestan Azerbaijanis and regular Azerbaijanis. I don't know maybe in the future they will approach closer to Dagestan Azeris or the opposite will happen. I suspect the average will remain stable. Probably the North_Euro average is somewhere around 13%.

Yeah, we will see. I expect to see more lezgin influence, and if not close Dagestani, then maybe closer to Zagatala. I hope to add my own results, as my test kit just arrived ))
How many samples do you have from these regions?
On a related note, is distance over 5 "good" ?


Yes I know which result you mean. But this result never got confirmed the person didn't want to reveal the kitnumber. I suspect it wasn't actually an Azerbaijani result. It also wasn't consistent with other results from Kars/Igdir.
No, I don't mean just that Yoruk result. I saw a result of either Azeri from Turkey or Armenia. He was closer to Turks from eastern Turkey.

[Kyp]

Yeah, I just added Avars as a proxy for Dagestani people, didn't mean Avars specifically.
My point was that the different between the N. Azeris and Dagestani people is not large, and that the transition is smooth, which the calculator shows.


Yeah, we will see. I expect to see more lezgin influence, and if not close Dagestani, then maybe closer to Zagatala. I hope to add my own results, as my test kit just arrived ))
How many samples do you have from these regions?
On a related note, is distance over 5 "good" ?

Yes it's quite smooth.

Distance 5 I would call "tolerable" but not great. Since they have distance 5 to both Dagestani Azeris and other Azeris it shows that they are intermediate between these groups.
Cool, looking forward to your result.



No, I don't mean just that Yoruk result. I saw a result of either Azeri from Turkey or Armenia. He was closer to Turks from eastern Turkey.

Might be, but let's not put under the rug the vast majority of Azeris from Turkey who are very close to regular Azeris. Also Eastern Turks are quite close to Azerbaijanis in general it doesn't say much.

[Sterling Archer]

Might be, but let's not put under the rug the vast majority of Azeris from Turkey who are very close to regular Azeris. Also Eastern Turks are quite close to Azerbaijanis in general it doesn't say much.
I think there is some misunderstanding. I didn't "put under the rug " the similarity.

I just point out that western Azeris are shifted towards Turkey (western shifted), not that they are not similar to Azeris in general.

In my original post I even said that western Azeris are similar (similar does not equal the closest) to the eastern Turks. I don't see any inconsistency with results you provided. After the Azeris, the western population is most similar to the Eastern Turks.

[Leto]

Ahiska Turk

Gedrosia 19.85 Pct
Siberian 0.4 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.13 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.71 Pct
North_European 9.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.9 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Distance to: EOmer
3.15141238 Turk_Ahiska
5.22178131 Georgian
6.91528741 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.07795875 Armenian_East
7.60167087 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.80240348 Turk_East
7.94333683 Hemshin
7.94971069 Laz
8.47681544 Abkhazian
8.79709043 Georgian_Turkey

Target: EOmer
Distance: 1.0550% / 1.05500759 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.3 Turk_Ahiska
40.6 Georgian
4.6 Iran_Mazandaran
4.5 Spanish_Basque

Distance to: EOmer
1.63628595 81.40% Laz + 18.60% Yagnobi
1.70493134 84.00% Laz + 16.00% Pamiri_Rushan
1.70868629 3.60% Spanish_Basque + 96.40% Turk_Ahiska
1.74008684 22.80% Dargin + 77.20% Hemshin
1.75765080 4.00% French + 96.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.77273046 4.00% French2 + 96.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.79369134 4.00% Spanish_La_Rioja + 96.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.80260957 3.80% Irish + 96.20% Turk_Ahiska
1.80801064 3.80% Mixed_NW_Euro + 96.20% Turk_Ahiska
1.81275018 4.20% Spanish_Aragon + 95.80% Turk_Ahiska


His match (Turkish first and last name)

R1b1
T2a

Gedrosia 18.65 Pct
Siberian 0.64 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.88 Pct
North_European 7.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.52 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: SK
3.62579646 Turk_Ahiska
4.81661707 Hemshin
5.38680796 Laz
5.89866086 Georgian
5.96749529 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.22775240 Armenian_East
6.60891822 Georgian_Turkey
6.84214148 Georgian_Adjara
7.32668411 Greek_Pontus
8.08898634 Georgian_Imereti

Target: SK
Distance: 1.0528% / 1.05278306 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Turk_Ahiska
38.3 Georgian_Turkey
12.6 Georgian_Gurian
7.4 Kuwait2

Target: SK
Distance: 2.5199% / 2.51991993 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.5 Turk_Ahiska
29.9 Hemshin
11.6 Azeri_Jew

Distance to: SK
1.24768592 44.00% Assyrian_North + 56.00% Georgian_Gurian
1.38353245 62.40% Georgian_Gurian + 37.60% Kurdish_Jew
1.38803858 42.80% Assyrian_South + 57.20% Georgian_Gurian
1.39634820 43.80% Azeri_Jew + 56.20% Georgian_Gurian
1.41658087 63.80% Georgian_Gurian + 36.20% Iraqi_Jew
1.46108572 43.20% Assyrian_West + 56.80% Georgian_Gurian
1.65635082 62.40% Georgian_Gurian + 37.60% Iranian_Jew
1.66396683 48.20% Assyrian_North + 51.80% Georgian_Mingrelian
1.72337056 48.00% Azeri_Jew + 52.00% Georgian_Mingrelian
1.73933730 49.00% Assyrian_West + 51.00% Georgian_Svan

[Dr_Maul]

Turkish match. I am not sure about his ratios, he seems kinda "mixed" in my opinion

Population
Gedrosia 16.38 Pct
Siberian 4.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.43 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.95 Pct
North_European 12.78 Pct
South_Asian 4.05 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.72 Pct
East_Asian 4.8 Pct
Caucasus 30.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Serdar
Distance: 1.5582% / 1.55819722 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.3 Turk_Northwest
20.3 Tajik_Herat
16.4 Turk_Southeast
10.4 Italian_Tuscany
6.7 Saudi
1.9 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Serdar
Distance: 2.6895% / 2.68953002 | R3P
70.2 Turk_Southeast
17.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.2 French

[Mejgusu]

Target: Serdar
Distance: 1.5582% / 1.55819722 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.3 Turk_Northwest
20.3 Tajik_Herat
16.4 Turk_Southeast
10.4 Italian_Tuscany
6.7 Saudi
1.9 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Serdar
Distance: 2.6895% / 2.68953002 | R3P
70.2 Turk_Southeast
17.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.2 French

Yes that looks a bit weird, but i would say this is a sample from South/Med-region. Maybe also a kind of NW-Turkish and Eastern-Turk mix?

[Dr_Maul]

Turkish match

Close relative of this guy (650+ CM shared)

Population
Gedrosia 16.85 Pct
Siberian 2.52 Pct
Northwest_African 0.43 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.76 Pct
North_European 8.64 Pct
South_Asian 2.77 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.4 Pct
East_Asian 6.48 Pct
Caucasus 35.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Zeynep
Distance: 1.3714% / 1.37139468 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.7 Turk_Southeast
4.1 Greek_Lemnos
3.5 Sardinian
3.2 Japanese
1.5 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal

another kinda close relative (100+ cm)

Population
Gedrosia 15.91 Pct
Siberian 3.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.04 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.77 Pct
North_European 13.74 Pct
South_Asian 0.88 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.11 Pct
East_Asian 5.44 Pct
Caucasus 32.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.53 Pct

Target: Kasim
Distance: 1.8154% / 1.81543505 | R3P
49.4 Zaza
33.2 Greek_Central
17.4 Nogai_Astrakhan

Target: Kasim
Distance: 3.4117% / 3.41169740 | R2P
57.4 Assyrian_North
42.6 Lipka_Tatar

Target: Kasim
Distance: 1.5859% / 1.58586691 | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.9 Turk_Northwest
31.0 Turk_Southeast
21.0 Azerbaijani
9.9 French
2.0 Tujia
1.2 Yagnobi

[Dr_Maul]

Yes that looks a bit weird, but i would say this is a sample from South/Med-region. Maybe also a kind of NW-Turkish and Eastern-Turk mix?

His close relatives point to a large % of SE Turkish admixture. Most likely this guy is half Southeast half some other turkish, with higher Steppe + Asian input

[Kyp]

Kurd from Iran:

Gedrosian: 24.53
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.30
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 3.87
North_European: 10.03
South_Asian: 2.83
East_African: 0.64
Southwest_Asian: 15.58
East_Asian: 1.07
Caucasian: 41.14
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Iran
5.44083633 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.60492640 Kurd_Adygea
5.91519230 Kurd_Sorani
6.14568141 Zaza
6.24296404 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.93339744 Yazidi
7.37252331 Iranian
7.48328805 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.53650449 Iraq_Turkmen
7.54655551 Iran_Central
7.75342505 Lur_Iran
8.59826145 Azerbaijani
9.06253276 Iranian_Fars
9.15078685 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.21850856 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.88143832 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.02354752 Turk_Southeast
11.03833774 Iran_Mazandaran
11.54703425 Turk_East
11.73532701 Iran_C_East
11.85970489 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.58366004 Iran_Khorasan
13.33708739 Mandean
13.42892401 Azeri_Jew
13.78521309 Iranian_Jew
13.79447353 Turk_Central_East
13.97324586 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.16076975 Assyrian_North
14.29885310 Armenian_East
14.36306722 Iran_Arab

Target: Kurd_Iran
Distance: 1.6222% / 1.62224661 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.8 Iran_Mazandaran
34.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.8 Kuwait2
13.1 Georgian_Svan

[Sterling Archer]

Talysh father and Azeri mother from Masalli, Azerbaijan.
Y-DNA: J1 P58
MtDNA: D4c
https://i.imgur.com/efuGHXG.png
https://i.imgur.com/3g5ZzM1.png
https://i.imgur.com/zZwAXqG.png

[Kyp]

Talysh father and Azeri mother from Masalli, Azerbaijan.


What are the demographics in Southeast? (Masalli, Lenkaran..)

[Sterling Archer]

What are the demographics in Southeast? (Masalli, Lenkaran..)

I don't know exactly. Astara, which borders Iran, is predominantly Talysh, which is part of a larger Talysh population in Iran.
Lerik is probably around 50%-50%, although during the last census Azeris and Talysh were grouped together. Though based on historical records, I'd wager it is probably more Talysh than Azeri.
The rest of the south eastern region seems more mixed. Regardless, I think Talysh should be majority there.

Azerbaijan held a census in 2020, and the results will be published this year (or maybe next). Maybe demographic situation will become more clear after results are made public.

[Kyp]

I don't know exactly. Astara, which borders Iran, is predominantly Talysh, which is part of a larger Talysh population in Iran.
Lerik is probably around 50%-50%, although during the last census Azeris and Talysh were grouped together. Though based on historical records, I'd wager it is probably more Talysh than Azeri.
The rest of the south eastern region seems more mixed. Regardless, I think Talysh should be majority there.

Azerbaijan held a census in 2020, and the results will be published this year (or maybe next). Maybe demographic situation will become more clear after results are made public.

What is interesting about Astara is that the Iranian part is mainly Turkish-speaking, while the Republic part is Talysh speaking.

[Sterling Archer]

What is interesting about Astara is that the Iranian part is mainly Turkish-speaking, while the Republic part is Talysh speaking.

For some reason, I thought Iranian Astara was mostly Talysh )) Did Azerbaijanis historically dominate there or was there a recent migration to Astara, Iran?
Nevertheless, Gilan province overall seems to be predominantly Gilak and Talysh, so I assume the republic's Talysh population is related to them.

[Kyp]

For some reason, I thought Iranian Astara was mostly Talysh )) Did Azerbaijanis historically dominate there or was there a recent migration to Astara, Iran?
Nevertheless, Gilan province overall seems to be predominantly Gilak and Talysh, so I assume the republic's Talysh population is related to them.

I don't know why tbh. I think they are newcomers from Moghan and Ardabil mostly who settled down. At least this is what Iranian wiki claims. Also some turkish speaking Gypsies apparently.

Yes Gilan is almost completely Gilaki and Talysh (expept Astara)

[Sterling Archer]

This is not related to the topic, but I wanted to ask.
What is the difference between the calculators?

For example, dodecad k12 that we are sharing, and say PuntDNAL 13? Is one of them inherently more precise than the other? If so, then why?

I was running some results in PuntDNAL 13 for Azerbaijanis (Iranian, republic + Dagestan), and results while different than k12, still accentuates caucasian + turkic + iranic mix in Azerbaijanis. So rather logical.
Though for some reason, Caucasian element is linked with Ossetians + Abkhaz rather than Dagestani that Azerbaijanis get in dodecad k12.

[Leto]

This is not related to the topic, but I wanted to ask.
What is the difference between the calculators?

For example, dodecad k12 that we are sharing, and say PuntDNAL 13? Is one of them inherently more precise than the other? If so, then why?

I was running some results in PuntDNAL 13 for Azerbaijanis (Iranian, republic + Dagestan), and results while different than k12, still accentuates caucasian + turkic + iranic mix in Azerbaijanis. So rather logical.
Though for some reason, Caucasian element is linked with Ossetians + Abkhaz rather than Dagestani that Azerbaijanis get in dodecad k12.
There is no genuinely universal calculator for everyone. Some people get more accurate results from one calculator, others from another. The original Dodecad spreadsheet is horrible and shouldn't be used at all. I can't say much about punt, I think it's generally not bad, however no one has tried to revise or update it.

[Dr_Maul]

Is one of them inherently more precise than the other? If so, then why?

Most likely a combination of references and components. Dodecad components make much more sense in West Asia having both Gedrosia and Caucasus, compared to just "west asian" in K13. As well as Atlantic_Med and N Euro compared to "SW_Euro" (idk what this even is to be honest). K13 also gives me over 4% Mongoloid with oracles such as 95% Iranian + 5% Yakut which is definitely not accurate considering I barely score any in most calculators. (just a personal observation). As I said for references, K12b updated on Vahaduo has multiple regional Iranian averages with Arabs and Turkmens included, compare to just 'Iranians' on K13. These are just why its more useful for this region, for other areas it might be more or less accurate

[Sterling Archer]

Most likely a combination of references and components. Dodecad components make much more sense in West Asia having both Gedrosia and Caucasus, compared to just "west asian" in K13. As well as Atlantic_Med and N Euro compared to "SW_Euro" (idk what this even is to be honest). K13 also gives me over 4% Mongoloid with oracles such as 95% Iranian + 5% Yakut which is definitely not accurate considering I barely score any in most calculators. (just a personal observation). As I said for references, K12b updated on Vahaduo has multiple regional Iranian averages with Arabs and Turkmens included, compare to just 'Iranians' on K13. These are just why its more useful for this region, for other areas it might be more or less accurate

I see, makes sense. Although I think too much detalization might hurt the model, even though it might match someones expectations. Cue Gedrosia and Caucasus that seems to go hand in hand in Caucasus, and maybe don't need to be separated in some cases.
In essence, one might run into an issue of overfitting. Although, I don't no anything about the algorithms underlying the calculators, so maybe it is not an issue.

[Dr_Maul]

I see, makes sense. Although I think too much detalization might hurt the model, even though it might match someones expectations. Cue Gedrosia and Caucasus that seems to go hand in hand in Caucasus, and maybe don't need to be separated in some cases.
In essence, one might run into an issue of overfitting. Although, I don't no anything about the algorithms underlying the calculators, so maybe it is not an issue.

I think that component is actually why K12b is more accurate, because people have varying amounts. For example compare Abkhazians to Azeris in this example
Abkhazian has 19.42% Gedrosia, while Azeri has 20.81%. So, basically the same. But then where Abkhazian has nearly 56% Caucasus, Azeri has 38.42%. So if they were combined into West Asian, it would be kind of confusing or innacurate. Now for another, Turkmen_Uzbekistan has roughly the same 20% Gedrosia as the other 2. However it only has 19.93% Caucasus, compared to Azeri 38 and Abkhazian 55. So you can see why it can be useful for it to be split, compared to just "west asian".

[Sterling Archer]

I think that component is actually why K12b is more accurate, because people have varying amounts. For example compare Abkhazians to Azeris in this example
Abkhazian has 19.42% Gedrosia, while Azeri has 20.81%. So, basically the same. But then where Abkhazian has nearly 56% Caucasus, Azeri has 38.42%. So if they were combined into West Asian, it would be kind of confusing or innacurate. Now for another, Turkmen_Uzbekistan has roughly the same 20% Gedrosia as the other 2. However it only has 19.93% Caucasus, compared to Azeri 38 and Abkhazian 55. So you can see why it can be useful for it to be split, compared to just "west asian".

I agree with your point in the case of Caucasus.(Or we might add them together and call it CauCasia:))
Merging NE and Atlantic_med though seems to be appropriate in the case of Abkhaz and Azeris for example (although Azeris seem to have much higher Atlantic_Med while NE is slightly less than Abkhazs), which leads me to my next point.

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.
Depending how the equations work this might substantially affect the numerical results. Is there a scientific work regarding this topic?

[Zoro]

I agree with your point in the case of Caucasus.(Or we might add them together and call it CauCasia:))
Merging NE and Atlantic_med though seems to be appropriate in the case of Abkhaz and Azeris for example (although Azeris seem to have much higher Atlantic_Med while NE is slightly less than Abkhazs), which leads me to my next point.

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.
Depending how the equations work this might substantially affect the numerical results. Is there a scientific work regarding this topic?

With any admixture calculator based on modern human references the results don't literally mean you have ancestry from those references.

For example if you get 25% Gedrosian it doesn't mean you have 25% Baloch ancestry
If a Turk or an Arab has 12% Gedrosian it doesn't mean they have 12% Baloch ancestry
If a Bulgarian has 7% Gedrosian it doesn't mean Bulgarians have 7% Baloch ancestry

It does mean that you share 25% something (recent SNPs etc ) with Baloch and Bulgarians share 7% something with Baloch but it's up to you to figure out how come you share 25% something with Baloch. In other words it's up to you to figure out which ancestors, Iran-Chl or BMAC or whatever contributed this shared DNA between you and Baloch.

[Zoro]

The concept of one calculator fits all is flawed from the outset. There should be regional calculators based on ancestors relevant to that particular population since the Bronze Age or Chalcolithic.

The only scenario one calculator could be used by both Asians and Europeans is if it only has say 3 or 4 general components such as W Eurasian E Eurasian S Eurasian SSA that are relevant components for Asians and Europeans OR

if the calculator is based on really ancient populations such as WHG, ENF, ANE, AEE etc because both Asians and Europeans are descended from these few ancients.

[vbnetkhio]

With any admixture calculator based on modern human references the results don't literally mean you have ancestry from those references.

For example if you get 25% Gedrosian it doesn't mean you have 25% Baloch ancestry
If a Turk or an Arab has 12% Gedrosian it doesn't mean they have 12% Baloch ancestry
If a Bulgarian has 7% Gedrosian it doesn't mean Bulgarians have 7% Baloch ancestry

It does mean that you share 25% something (recent SNPs etc ) with Baloch and Bulgarians share 7% something with Baloch but it's up to you to figure out how come you share 25% something with Baloch. In other words it's up to you to figure out which ancestors, Iran-Chl or BMAC or whatever contributed this shared DNA between you and Baloch.

The Gedrosian in Europeans stands for extra Steppe which can't be described by the "North European" component. A similar thing happens with "South Asian" in Eurogenes calcs.

[Dr_Maul]

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.?

Yes, this is the main factor. Which is why we only have one 'sub-saharan' component for a calculator which is designed for Eurasians, whereas one for Africans would obviously have much more references. Same thing can be said for Europeans, which on Eurogenes have "east euro" "north sea" "baltic" etc, but here we only have 2.

[Leto]

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Gedrosia 22.53 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.11 Pct
North_European 15.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.62 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T755309
Name: TS_H184

Gedrosia 23.85 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.13 Pct
North_European 11.19 Pct
South_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.43 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.14 Pct

Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Gedrosia 22.93 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Northwest_African 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.5 Pct
North_European 19.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Gedrosia 21.26 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.93 Pct
North_European 17.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I wonder what TS is supposed to stand for. Tbilisi? They are all distant relatives.

[Leto]

Georgian (not from those two accounts)

Gedrosia 22.13 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.27 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.61 Pct
East_Asian 0.91 Pct
Caucasus 56.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Reno
3.13804079 Abkhazian
3.52671235 Georgian_Svan
5.13848227 Georgian_Gurian
5.65969080 Georgian
6.64983458 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.94115985 Ossetian_South
6.98273585 Georgian_Imereti
8.89402608 Turk_Ahiska
9.38474827 Georgian_Turkey
10.78734444 Georgian_Adjara

Target: Reno
Distance: 1.2612% / 1.26117732 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.3 Georgian_Svan
8.0 Kubachi_Dagestan
6.7 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Reno
Distance: 1.8484% / 1.84841556 | R2P
88.4 Georgian_Svan
11.6 Kubachi_Dagestan

[Sterling Archer]

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these


Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Gedrosia 22.93 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Northwest_African 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.5 Pct
North_European 19.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


I wonder what TS is supposed to stand for. Tbilisi? They are all distant relatives.
I'm certain that some of these are not Georgians. Looks to be Chechen-Ingush. NE is way to high.
For exa
Distance to: T250616
3.26272892 Ingush
4.11210408 Chechen
4.52825573 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
5.43748103 Adyghe
6.18021035 Kumyks
6.50511337 Ossetian
6.89282961 Karachay
6.89920285 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.22761371 Balkar
7.55453506 Circassian
8.09680801 Abazin
8.15700926 Ossetian_South
8.58245303 Kabardin
9.90505931 Lezgin

[Sterling Archer]

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Gedrosia 21.26 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.93 Pct
North_European 17.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Again, not a Georgian.

Distance to: TS_H191
4.14459889 Adyghe
5.10404741 Ingush
5.44784361 Ossetian
6.91722488 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
6.96571604 Karachay
6.99680641 Circassian
7.02958747 Ossetian_South
7.18920719 Chechen
7.32430884 Kumyks
7.71178968 Balkar
7.86868477 Abazin
8.70112636 Kabardin
8.73508443 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.49078167 Abkhazian
11.46897118 Georgian
11.47881091 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.88833462 Turk_Ahiska
12.58268254 Qumuq
13.05298050 Lezgin
13.06489954 Turk_East
13.68647873 Lak
13.82205122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.97865873 Georgian_Svan
14.06622906 Georgian_Gurian
14.32259753 Kubachi_Dagestan

[Sterling Archer]

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Gedrosia 22.53 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.11 Pct
North_European 15.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.62 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


This one is also not ethnic Georgian:
Distance to: TS_H183
5.79360855 Adyghe
5.99844146 Ingush
6.90719914 Ossetian
7.62646707 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
8.00811463 Ossetian_South
8.36222458 Karachay
8.39375363 Circassian
8.39774374 Chechen
8.77038768 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.80583329 Kumyks
9.12903062 Abazin
9.25739164 Balkar
9.84557769 Kabardin
10.60908573 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.91513170 Abkhazian
11.33970458 Georgian
11.44536151 Turk_Ahiska
12.43006838 Turk_East
13.14888969 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.26015460 Qumuq
13.26599789 Lezgin
13.69112486 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.84451516 Zaza
14.23788959 Georgian_Svan
14.27002453 Georgian_Gurian

[Leto]

Thank you, Sherlock, I know how to use that tool :wink

They may as well be some Eastern Georgian highlanders or something.

[Sterling Archer]

I know you do, it was for the general audience :)
As for eastern Georgia, dunno. Georgian with Caucasus of 45?.

Maybe TS stands for Tusheti? This is where the Chechens live in Georgia.

[Sterling Archer]

I think the guy below is distantly related to T191893:

SomeGuy,20.52,0.3,0,0,6.62,14.59,1.64,0,6.47,0,49. 86,0

Distance to: SomeGuy
5.83720824 Adyghe
5.95486356 Ossetian_South
6.55807136 Ossetian
7.03221160 Abkhazian
7.44004032 Georgian
8.08624758 Turk_Ahiska
8.28525196 Ingush
8.99597132 Karachay
9.03022702 Kumyks
9.11938594 Circassian
9.54124730 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.90194425 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.07630389 Abazin
10.20620400 Balkar
10.36417387 Georgian_Gurian
10.67760273 Georgian_Svan
10.70619447 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.75921930 Chechen
11.23400641 Turk_East
11.54107881 Kabardin
12.00408680 Georgian_Imereti
12.30845644 Armenian_East
12.81588858 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.16473319 Georgian_Turkey
13.39542459 Azerbaijani_Turkey

[Saba]

Iraqi Turkmen of the Bayat tribe from Kerkuk

Gedrosia 21.54 Pct
Siberian 2.23 Pct
Northwest_African 1.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.53 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 6.39 Pct
South_Asian 1.64 Pct
East_African 1.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.4 Pct
East_Asian 0.54 Pct
Caucasus 42.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: bayat
Distance: 2.6298% / 2.62983743 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.9 Iraq_Turkmen
23.3 Turk_East
20.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.0 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Kyp]

Turk 50%Kars, 50% Erzurum:

Gedrosian: 19.59
Siberian: 1.16
Northwest_African: 0.56
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 11.11
North_European: 6.07
South_Asian: 3.46
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.25
East_Asian: 1.17
Caucasian: 47.64
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: KarsErzurum
4.77476701 Turk_East
5.42791857 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.58395018 Armenian_East
7.56545438 Turk_Ahiska
8.72753115 Armenian_West
8.85324234 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.90708707 Zaza
8.95117311 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.99971500 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.30517346 Greek_Pontus
10.37258406 Turk_Central_East
10.40846290 Georgian
10.42914666 Hemshin
10.45160275 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.65171348 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.85522455 Azerbaijani
10.89105137 Azeri_Jew
11.00586207 Laz
11.03733664 Assyrian_North
11.15424583 Kurd_Adygea
11.32401872 Assyrian_West
11.39291008 Turk_Southeast
11.44091343 Assyrian_South
12.04826959 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.08019040 Georgian_Adjara

Target: KarsErzurum
Distance: 2.3856% / 2.38562146 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.5 Turk_East
30.2 Georgian_Adjara
7.3 Bnei_Menashe_Jews


Turk 50% Kirikkale, 50% Hatay (The Hatay part is partly arab partly turk)

Gedrosian: 19.60
Siberian: 2.43
Northwest_African: 1.94
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.24
North_European: 9.02
South_Asian: 1.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.94
East_Asian: 7.33
Caucasian: 30.64
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Hatay_Kirikkale
9.06689583 Turk_Southeast
9.56627409 Turk_South
9.75424523 Turk_Southwest
9.86059836 Turk_Central_West
9.98268000 Azerbaijani
11.04144465 Turk_Northwest
11.17869849 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.27313621 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.30764785 Turk_Central_East
11.62693855 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.84099658 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.80276923 Iraq_Turkmen
13.32029279 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.63158098 Yazidi
13.73947233 Kurd_Sorani
13.80491217 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.86655328 Iran_Khorasan
14.32331316 Iranian_Fars
14.73924014 Turkmen_TM
14.85967698 Zaza
14.92516667 Turkmen_Iran
14.92900533 Kurd_Adygea
15.81595713 Iran_Arab
16.12642862 Talysh_Azerbaijan
16.25556520 Lebanese_Muslim

Target: Hatay_Kirikkale
Distance: 2.2886% / 2.28861461 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Yazidi
19.3 Turk_Southeast
15.0 Iraqi_Arab
12.4 Spanish_Asturias
5.0 Hazara
5.0 Japanese
1.6 Tajik_Mountain

[Mejgusu]

Turk 50% Kirikkale, 50% Hatay (The Hatay part is partly arab partly turk)

Gedrosian: 19.60
Siberian: 2.43
Northwest_African: 1.94
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.24
North_European: 9.02
South_Asian: 1.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.94
East_Asian: 7.33
Caucasian: 30.64
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Target: Hatay_Kirikkale
Distance: 2.2886% / 2.28861461 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Yazidi
19.3 Turk_Southeast
15.0 Iraqi_Arab
12.4 Spanish_Asturias
5.0 Hazara
5.0 Japanese
1.6 Tajik_Mountain

I would like to see the Kirikkale side, if the Hatay side was 3-6% east eurasian the other side must be enormously Turkic influenced. As far i know there is not an average for this province and also never saw a sample from there.

[Kaazi]

Iraqi Turkmen of the Bayat tribe from Kerkuk

Gedrosia 21.54 Pct
Siberian 2.23 Pct
Northwest_African 1.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.53 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 6.39 Pct
South_Asian 1.64 Pct
East_African 1.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.4 Pct
East_Asian 0.54 Pct
Caucasus 42.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: bayat
Distance: 2.6298% / 2.62983743 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.9 Iraq_Turkmen
23.3 Turk_East
20.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.0 Udi_Azerbaijan

This sample looks almost pure West Asian. Aren't Turkic people supposed to have very high Mongoloid component?

[Altaylı]

This sample looks almost pure West Asian. Aren't Turkic people supposed to have very high Mongoloid component?

He is Iraqi Turkmen not Turkmenistani or Afghanistan Turkmen

[Kaazi]

He is Iraqi Turkmen not Turkmenistani or Afghanistan Turkmen

Thanks. Just curious, how much Mongoloid are typical Turks?

[Altaylı]

Thanks. Just curious, how much Mongoloid are typical Turks?

Turkish people 5-20%
Medieval Turkic 30-50%
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz 60-80%
Turkmens 15-50% mongoloid
Bashkirs 30-40% probably
Kazan Tatars 20-30%

[Fedora]

Turkish people 5-20%
Medieval Turkic 30-50%
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz 60-80%
Turkmens 15-50% mongoloid
Bashkirs 30-40% probably
Kazan Tatars 20-30%

Turkish 0-20%**,
Medieval Turkic 20%-75%** There are Orkhun sampes who score 75% eurasian.

[Leto]

Turkish people 5-20%
Medieval Turkic 30-50%
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz 60-80%
Turkmens 15-50% mongoloid
Bashkirs 30-40% probably
Kazan Tatars 20-30%
Kazan Tatars are 15-25%, most would range from 18 to 22%. Also Kazakhs are 57-65%, not anywhere near 80%. Some Kyrgyz can reach 70% East Eurasian but that's again above the average.

[Kyp]

Two Republic Azerbaijanis:

From Tartar (possible significant Kurdish ancestry):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Tartar_in_Azerbaijan.svg

Gedrosian: 22.47
Siberian: 2.87
Northwest_African: 0.49
Southeast_Asian: 0.24
Atlantic_Med: 8.04
North_European: 6.38
South_Asian: 2.22
East_African: 0.18
Southwest_Asian: 14.31
East_Asian: 2.58
Caucasian: 40.22
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Tartar
3.22082288 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.27577472 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.70033782 Zaza
4.14957829 Iraq_Turkmen
4.56040568 Kurd_Adygea
4.56396757 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.57508470 Azerbaijani
4.82810522 Kurd_Sorani
5.05747961 Yazidi
5.10094109 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.16056004 Turk_Southeast
6.85989067 Lur_Iran
7.55123831 Iranian
7.82202020 Iran_Central
7.82269774 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.17030599 Turk_East
9.06843426 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.10364762 Turk_Central_East
9.14025164 Iranian_Fars
10.18570076 Turk_South
10.52019011 Mandean
10.63896142 Azeri_Jew
10.75531032 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94466080 Iranian_Jew
11.33884915 Assyrian_North

Target: Azerbaijani_Tartar
Distance: 1.4996% / 1.49961963 | ADC: 0.5x RC
61.1 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.7 Zaza
14.2 Azeri_Jew
10.0 Iraq_Turkmen

From Barda:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Barda_in_Azerbaijan_%28semi-secession%29.svg/375px-Barda_in_Azerbaijan_%28semi-secession%29.svg.png

Gedrosian: 21.35
Siberian: 2.40
Northwest_African: 0.86
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 12.27
North_European: 8.13
South_Asian: 2.51
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.68
East_Asian: 4.07
Caucasian: 37.72
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijnai_Barda
3.90349843 Azerbaijani
4.29270311 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.87319197 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.88034835 Turk_Southeast
6.63679893 Turk_Central_East
7.11613659 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.21307147 Turk_South
7.86825266 Zaza
7.88655818 Turk_Central_West
8.14691353 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.21946470 Yazidi
8.74066359 Kurd_Adygea
8.78624493 Iraq_Turkmen
9.16665152 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.24596669 Kurd_Sorani
9.50641888 Turk_East
10.05710197 Turk_Southwest
10.07097314 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.08394268 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.11577481 Iran_Central
11.26704930 Lur_Iran
11.36994723 Iranian
11.46092056 Iranian_Fars
11.89655833 Iran_Khorasan
12.37278061 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Azerbaijnai_Barda
Distance: 1.4447% / 1.44466606 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
21.7 Yazidi
6.5 Iran_Khorasan
4.4 Sardinian
2.0 Spanish_Basque
1.3 Japanese
0.1 Hazara

[Kyp]

Persian from Isfahan (50% Isfahan, 25% Yazd 25%Mashadd)

Gedrosian: 26.55
Siberian: 0.41
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.41
North_European: 12.03
South_Asian: 4.34
East_African: 2.04
Southwest_Asian: 13.04
East_Asian: 0.86
Caucasian: 32.27
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Isfahan_YM
6.34532111 Iran_Khorasan
6.59012139 Iran_C_East
7.16342795 Iran_Central
7.48230579 Iranian_Fars
8.93020716 Yazidi
9.59498306 Kurd_Sorani
9.81612958 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.92251480 Azerbaijani
9.92370898 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.32896897 Kurd_Adygea
11.03933422 Iranian
11.07293547 Iraq_Turkmen
11.20436522 Lur_Iran
11.40781750 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.63942438 Zaza
11.82655064 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.06822274 Turk_Southeast
12.18002874 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.71452879 Iran_Mazandaran
13.84029624 Turkmen_TM
14.80828822 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.89140692 Turk_South
14.97268513 Lezgin
15.39308936 Parsi_India
15.43677104 Turk_Central_East

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 1.8136% / 1.81358736 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Iran_C_East
33.5 Yazidi
7.5 Yagnobi
6.1 PL_Warmia-Masuria
3.8 Lezgin
2.6 Kuwait2
1.6 Ethiopian

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 3.0989% / 3.09888024 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.4 Iran_C_East
12.7 Bulgarian_East
6.8 Azerbaijani
2.1 Qumuq

[Leto]

Persian from Isfahan (50% Isfahan, 25% Yazd 25%Mashadd)

Gedrosian: 26.55
Siberian: 0.41
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.41
North_European: 12.03
South_Asian: 4.34
East_African: 2.04
Southwest_Asian: 13.04
East_Asian: 0.86
Caucasian: 32.27
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Isfahan_YM
6.34532111 Iran_Khorasan
6.59012139 Iran_C_East
7.16342795 Iran_Central
7.48230579 Iranian_Fars
8.93020716 Yazidi
9.59498306 Kurd_Sorani
9.81612958 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.92251480 Azerbaijani
9.92370898 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.32896897 Kurd_Adygea
11.03933422 Iranian
11.07293547 Iraq_Turkmen
11.20436522 Lur_Iran
11.40781750 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.63942438 Zaza
11.82655064 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.06822274 Turk_Southeast
12.18002874 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.71452879 Iran_Mazandaran
13.84029624 Turkmen_TM
14.80828822 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.89140692 Turk_South
14.97268513 Lezgin
15.39308936 Parsi_India
15.43677104 Turk_Central_East

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 1.8136% / 1.81358736 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Iran_C_East
33.5 Yazidi
7.5 Yagnobi
6.1 PL_Warmia-Masuria
3.8 Lezgin
2.6 Kuwait2
1.6 Ethiopian

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 3.0989% / 3.09888024 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.4 Iran_C_East
12.7 Bulgarian_East
6.8 Azerbaijani
2.1 Qumuq
That's quit a lot of European for Iran! Anything interesting phenotypically? Y DNA? I always hope for something Aryanic to show up :cool:

[Kyp]

That's quit a lot of European for Iran! Anything interesting phenotypically? Y DNA? I always hope for something Aryanic to show up :cool:

the +12 NE results are floating in the last couple of months^^

Paternal: J-M267 Maternal: U1a3 no idead about phenotype

[Leto]

the +12 NE results are floating in the last couple of months^^

Paternal: J-M267 Maternal: U1a3 no idead about phenotype
OK. He is also 8% AM though. 20% Yurop in total.

[Dr_Maul]

the +12 NE results are floating in the last couple of months^^

Paternal: J-M267 Maternal: U1a3 no idead about phenotype

Most likely we will see results such as this (as well as the opposite, 3-4% NE) as more and more Iranians are taking DNA results. While there was no caste system in Iran I have a feeling there was some sort of "unspoken" distinction considering the Rural vs Urban, as well as Peasant vs Landowner system that existed (after urbanization modern Iranians are a mix of these 2 groups)

[Leto]

Pakistani Baloch. No good model for him, he's too Gedrosian :eek:

DR1799975

Gedrosia 45.71 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.2 Pct
North_European 6.32 Pct
South_Asian 22.57 Pct
East_African 2.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.47 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Caucasus 14.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Mejgusu]

Pakistani Baloch. No good model for him, he's too Gedrosian :eek:

DR1799975

Gedrosia 45.71 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.2 Pct
North_European 6.32 Pct
South_Asian 22.57 Pct
East_African 2.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.47 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Caucasus 14.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

That’s probably the third or fourth Baloch sample which i see here and this one looks quite normal? From all Iranic groups, Balochs are genetically the most „special“ one.

[Leto]

Syrian from Aleppo. Basically he scores a bit of everything
photo (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10209206158613301&set=a.1599266623828)

Gedrosia 16.52 Pct
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Northwest_African 2.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.62 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.37 Pct
North_European 4.66 Pct
South_Asian 2.83 Pct
East_African 1.85 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.58 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.75 Pct

Distance to: Sami
6.39190113 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.81821091 Lebanese_Muslim
7.07531625 Syrian_Muslim
8.37149330 Iran_Arab
8.46120559 Iraqi_Arab
9.78135982 Palestinian
9.85633806 Turk_Southeast
9.90950554 Iraq_Turkmen
10.23556545 Jordanian_Muslim
10.53215078 Nusayri_Turkey

Target: Sami
Distance: 1.2396% / 1.23960503 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.7 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.9 Syrian_Muslim
4.6 Spanish_Basque
4.0 Sardinian
1.8 Yoruba

Target: Sami
Distance: 2.2772% / 2.27723317 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.5 Iraqi_Baghdad
23.7 Syrian_Muslim
7.8 Spanish_Basque

- - -

Some Arab, half North African I guess
G2a4
U6a

Gedrosia 5.34 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 18.79 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 18.27 Pct
North_European 5.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 5.48 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.19 Pct
East_Asian 0.4 Pct
Caucasus 23.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan 3.78 Pct

Target: Nidal
Distance: 2.3436% / 2.34358955 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.7 Algerian
32.1 Egyptian
16.3 MD_Jewish
9.9 Turk_Northwest

Target: Nidal
Distance: 1.1630% / 1.16295732 | R3P
47.7 Palestinian
46.0 Algerian
6.3 PL_Warmia-Masuria

[Leto]

That’s probably the third or fourth Baloch sample which i see here and this one looks quite normal? From all Iranic groups, Balochs are genetically the most „special“ one.
There are multiple academic Balochis though. The ones from the recent study are not part of the existing average.

[Dr_Maul]

That’s probably the third or fourth Baloch sample which i see here and this one looks quite normal? From all Iranic groups, Balochs are genetically the most „special“ one.

Not sure how reliable, but people have said that there are possibly tens of thousands of individuals with significant African, Sindhi, and Arab/Omani related admixtures who are simply considered "normal" baloch which is skewing the averages (can't verify if its true)

[Mejgusu]

Not sure how reliable, but people have said that there are possibly tens of thousands of individuals with significant African, Sindhi, and Arab/Omani related admixtures who are simply considered "normal" baloch which is skewing the averages (can't verify if its true)

Because of that i would see more Gulf samples. Balochs are definitely Arab and African influenced, on the other hand there are Gulf Arabs with visible Baloch/Iranic influence.

[Dr_Maul]

Because of that i would see more Gulf samples. Balochs are definitely Arab and African influenced, on the other hand there are Gulf Arabs with visible Baloch/Iranic influence.

Yes and the way they identify themselves is not helping because most of them (both Arabs and Balochis) consider themselves as Arab/Balochi but have significant admixtures. Luckily we have some pure individuals to average (Bedouin arabs as well as certain Baloch people outside of the "influence" zone such as in Kerman and Afghanistan)

[harutsafaryan07]

Armenian from Donetsk

Gedrosia 17.14
Siberian 0
Northwest_African 1.45
Southeast_Asian 0.20
Atlantic_Med 8.46
North_European 8.38
South_Asian 0
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 15.37
East_Asian 0
Caucasus 49.01
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: Armenian_Donetsk
3.81570439 Armenian_East
4.37424279 Armenian_Iran
4.51840680 Armenian_Syunik
4.60980477 Armenian_Karabakh
5.83415804 Turk_East
6.31141030 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.42717667 Armenian_West
6.46806772 Armenian_Tebriz
7.61158985 Turk_Ahiska
7.80585678 Azeri_Jew
7.80745797 Assyrian_North
7.98458515 Assyrian_West
8.22746012 Assyrian_South
8.32975990 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.98933813 Greek_Pontus

[Kyp]

Kurd from Iran (Kurdistan Province):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0kS-qN9a3LO1KVW0m1yU1cCow9MXw2vn3Qx-VvkMfPCdtfaKYwR9Bg0rVK1Zf-CzcMGFqWQnorlZUhnHkSTBnJsfFzD83YBv9D8

Gedrosian: 27.21
Siberian: 1.29
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 10.50
North_European: 3.77
South_Asian: 2.09
East_African: 0.77
Southwest_Asian: 13.49
East_Asian: 1.22
Caucasian: 39.65
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Iran
4.17240938 Yazidi
4.87684324 Kurd_Adygea
4.90864543 Lur_Iran
5.10914866 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.68767088 Zaza
6.11433561 Iranian
6.21880214 Kurd_Sorani
6.43509907 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.48994660 Iran_Central
7.54264542 Iraq_Turkmen
7.78513969 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.56350979 Iranian_Fars
9.15209812 Azerbaijani
9.24556651 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.31680668 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.74010708 Iran_Mazandaran
10.83515574 Turk_Southeast
11.15172184 Iran_C_East
11.73609390 Mandean
11.76124993 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.79504981 Turk_East
12.39939918 Iran_Khorasan
12.59751563 Azeri_Jew
12.70814306 Iranian_Jew
13.20644540 Assyrian_North

Target: Kurd_Iran
Distance: 3.0092% / 3.00922762 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.6 Lur_Iran
5.8 Armenian_West
5.6 Sardinian

[Sterling Archer]

Cypriot Turk:
https://i.imgur.com/yzsMLvz.png
https://i.imgur.com/9Cezkhr.png

[Kyp]

Republic Azerbaijani (from Aghstafa):

Gedrosian: 20.66
Siberian: 4.09
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.64
Atlantic_Med: 10.51
North_European: 8.46
South_Asian: 1.70
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.29
East_Asian: 5.23
Caucasian: 37.44
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Rep.Azer
3.82447382 Azerbaijani
4.09358034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.90873711 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.10778817 Turk_Southeast
6.02933661 Turk_South
6.46540022 Turk_Central_East
6.80402087 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.55844561 Turk_Central_West
8.35822350 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.99860545 Zaza
9.15186320 Turk_Southwest
9.45707672 Yazidi
9.48627430 Iraq_Turkmen
9.64425217 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.77677861 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.80993884 Kurd_Adygea
10.13397750 Turk_East
10.30580419 Kurd_Sorani
10.84480521 Iran_Central
11.04315172 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.52655196 Turk_Northwest
11.83577627 Iranian
11.91673613 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.10623806 Iranian_Fars
12.11066059 Lur_Iran


Target: Rep.Azer
Distance: 1.5917% / 1.59170216 | ADC: 0.25x RC
91.2 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.1 Hazara
2.6 Spanish_Basque
1.1 She

[Leto]

Republic Azerbaijani (from Aghstafa):

Holy moly, almost 11% East Eurasian! I think he may have more distant ancestry from Turkey.

[Kyp]

Holy moly, almost 11% East Eurasian! I think he may have more distant ancestry from Turkey.

No he doesn't and it's fairly consistent with his region.

Distance to: Rep.Azer
1.94136550 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.82447382 Azerbaijani
4.09358034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.30370770 Azerbaijani_Southeast
4.70870471 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
4.90873711 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.93143995 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.10778817 Turk_Southeast
5.15688860 Azerbaijani_Central
5.81809247 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.02933661 Turk_South
6.46540022 Turk_Central_East
6.66215431 Azerbaijani_Absheron
6.80402087 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.55844561 Turk_Central_West
7.69807768 Azerbaijani_North
8.35822350 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.99860545 Zaza
9.15186320 Turk_Southwest
9.45707672 Yazidi
9.48627430 Iraq_Turkmen
9.64425217 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.77677861 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.80993884 Kurd_Adygea
10.13397750 Turk_East

[Sterling Archer]

Republic Azerbaijani (from Aghstafa):

Gedrosian: 20.66
Siberian: 4.09
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.64
Atlantic_Med: 10.51
North_European: 8.46
South_Asian: 1.70
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.29
East_Asian: 5.23
Caucasian: 37.44
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Rep.Azer
3.82447382 Azerbaijani
4.09358034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.90873711 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.10778817 Turk_Southeast
6.02933661 Turk_South
6.46540022 Turk_Central_East
6.80402087 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Rep.Azer
Distance: 1.5917% / 1.59170216 | ADC: 0.25x RC
91.2 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.1 Hazara
2.6 Spanish_Basque
1.1 She
Seems to be a very typical result for that(West) region, which is quite distinct.
Is there any interest in creating an average for this specific region of the republic (Azerbaijani_West) in the calculator?

[Kyp]

Seems to be a very typical result for that(West) region, which is quite distinct.
Is there any interest in creating an average for this specific region of the republic (Azerbaijani_West) in the calculator?

I already have, I will create a thread about some new averages the next couple of days. In my previous post I compared him to all Azerbaijani averages.

[Leto]

No he doesn't and it's fairly consistent with his region.

Distance to: Rep.Azer
1.94136550 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.82447382 Azerbaijani
4.09358034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.30370770 Azerbaijani_Southeast
4.70870471 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
4.90873711 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.93143995 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.10778817 Turk_Southeast
5.15688860 Azerbaijani_Central
5.81809247 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.02933661 Turk_South
6.46540022 Turk_Central_East
6.66215431 Azerbaijani_Absheron
6.80402087 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.55844561 Turk_Central_West
7.69807768 Azerbaijani_North
8.35822350 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.99860545 Zaza
9.15186320 Turk_Southwest
9.45707672 Yazidi
9.48627430 Iraq_Turkmen
9.64425217 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.77677861 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.80993884 Kurd_Adygea
10.13397750 Turk_East
By distant I mean medieval or something.

[Sterling Archer]

I already have, I will create a thread about some new averages the next couple of days. In my previous post I compared him to all Azerbaijani averages.

Just saw it. Great!
Azerbaijani_Southeast - I assume this is for Azerbaijanis from the Talysh region?
Azerbaijani_Central - Arran-Mugan region?
Azerbaijani_North - Does this aggregate the whole north? Including Dagestan?

Super interesting, looking forward for the new thread!

[Leto]

A big Arab account (Levantine as well as some non-Arabs, possibly Kurds) in case anyone's interested

Email: AA***MMAD@GMAIL.COM

Kit Number: WD2520716

Kit Number: FQ1991162

Kit Number: PE4053619

Kit Number: BT5681318

Kit Number: XW6244147

Kit Number: ZA8788835

Kit Number: GA8227659

Kit Number: EW2685756

Kit Number: UM2567155

Kit Number: HN2016900

Kit Number: M581378

Kit Number: M737791

Kit Number: M193020

Kit Number: M569039

Kit Number: M973769

Kit Number: M196078

Kit Number: M801117

Kit Number: M187016

Kit Number: M803660

Kit Number: M350444

Kit Number: M757015

Kit Number: M925641

Kit Number: M472864

Kit Number: M165985

Kit Number: M846491

Kit Number: M253418

Kit Number: M281241

Kit Number: M019783

Kit Number: M917038

Kit Number: MX2508611

Kit Number: RL5993289

Kit Number: JU5883860

Kit Number: KC3404609

[Kyp]

Just saw it. Great!
Azerbaijani_Southeast - I assume this is for Azerbaijanis from the Talysh region?
Azerbaijani_Central - Arran-Mugan region?
Azerbaijani_North - Does this aggregate the whole north? Including Dagestan?

Super interesting, looking forward for the new thread!

Southeast: Exactly. Masalli region for example. But I heard Turks from there are mostly from Mugan/Moghan too. Actually most people from Ardabil are Moghanli too, maybe it's best to lump them all into one category.
Central: all other regions that didn't fit into the other categories. It was more referring to the middle of the Republic rather than Araz.
North: Didn't included Dagestan, as they have an own average. Other than that the whole North except the Northwest. (I don't have much results from Northeast so it's basically from around Zaqatala and Qabala.

[Leto]

Arab. Half Egyptian half Syrian? Doesn't halabi mean from Aleppo?

Gedrosia 6.05 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 7.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.58 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 7.25 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.77 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 35.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan 4.29 Pct

Distance to: Raneem
5.77055075 Egyptian
6.10467034 Jordanian_Muslim
6.61223109 Palestinian
9.59335708 Coptic
10.17352938 Jordanian_Christian
10.26840299 Syrian_Muslim
10.61728779 Syrian_SW_Christian
10.95186742 Lebanese_Muslim
11.02267663 Palestinian_Christian
13.17323802 Lebanese_Christian

Target: Raneem
Distance: 1.3991% / 1.39906143 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.1 Egyptian
38.5 Syrian_SW_Christian
1.4 Bantu_S.E._Pedi

Target: Raneem
Distance: 1.9022% / 1.90215268 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.7 Egyptian
35.3 Jordanian_Christian

[Sterling Archer]

North: Didn't included Dagestan, as they have an own average. Other than that the whole North except the Northwest. (I don't have much results from Northeast so it's basically from around Zaqatala and Qabala.
I see. How many samples do you need in order to create a viable average? Is there a rule of thumb?
I have seen, including here, several Azeri samples from north-east. One was a guy(Musayev I think) from Quba who had NE=16%, there is also a person from Khachmaz with NE=13%.
In the beginning of this thread I shared a result with high Gedrosia. I think that person was a mix between Gabala and Khachmaz.

What do you do with unusual results? Couple of pages before you shared a result from Tartar, Karabakh which looked very much like it was a mix with Kurdish(SW Asia too high). In Azeri DNA project there were some discussions about this result.
Do you think there is any point in creating a Kurdish_Azerbaijan average too?:) There is one for Adyge after all )

[Sterling Archer]

Arab. Half Egyptian half Syrian? Doesn't halabi mean from Aleppo?

From wiki: Aleppo (the Halabi , alternately spelled Halebi or Chalabi)

[Kyp]

I see. How many samples do you need in order to create a viable average? Is there a rule of thumb?
I have seen, including here, several Azeri samples from north-east. One was a guy(Musayev I think) from Quba who had NE=16%, there is also a person from Khachmaz with NE=13%.
In the beginning of this thread I shared a result with high Gedrosia. I think that person was a mix between Gabala and Khachmaz.

What do you do with unusual results? Couple of pages before you shared a result from Tartar, Karabakh which looked very much like it was a mix with Kurdish(SW Asia too high). In Azeri DNA project there were some discussions about this result.
Do you think there is any point in creating a Kurdish_Azerbaijan average too?:) There is one for Adyge after all )

Should I include the northeastern results into the northern average?

a) I don't include samples if I know they have mixed background
B) around 10 samples is preferred, +5 minimum
c) I don't have Kurdish results from Azerbaijan so I can't make an average anyway

[Kyp]

From Teheran:

Gedrosian: 25.17
Siberian: 3.62
Northwest_African: 0.76
Southeast_Asian: 0.75
Atlantic_Med: 6.35
North_European: 6.59
South_Asian: 4.76
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.54
East_Asian: 1.82
Caucasian: 38.65
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Teheran
4.53165533 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.53827060 Iran_Central
4.80326972 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.85366872 Iranian
4.91383760 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
4.94085013 Yazidi
5.03799563 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.14785392 Kurd_Adygea
5.41567170 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.54375324 Azerbaijani_Central
5.55946041 Lur_Iran
5.98013378 Azerbaijani_Southeast
5.99814138 Kurd_Sorani
6.11918295 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
6.16963532 Zaza
6.24652704 Iranian_Fars
6.53220483 Azerbaijani
6.55273225 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78820300 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.92483935 Azerbaijani_Absheron
7.70328501 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.58178886 Azerbaijani_North
8.61969257 Iran_Khorasan
8.66457731 Iran_C_East
9.47064940 Turk_Southeast

Target: Teheran
Distance: 1.4926% / 1.49262758 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.8 Iranian
34.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
22.9 Iran_Central
2.1 Yakut

Distance to: Teheran
1.98704846 83.40% Lur_Iran + 16.60% Nogai
2.05417303 57.00% Iran_Mazandaran + 43.00% Turk_South
2.30123591 79.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 20.60% Turkmen_TM

[Sterling Archer]

Should I include the northeastern results into the northern average?
B) around 10 samples is preferred, +5 minimum
Dunno. That Musayev fellow(he is not mixed) was very similar to Dagestani and Zagatala Azeris, so I see no problem in including him (and 13% from Khachmaz that mentioned) in Azerbaijani_North.
Unfortunately, 2 does not make 5)) So when we have enough samples, we can create a separate category for that region.
Anyway, it is probably not correct to include them in any region other than the North. Can I have a look at your spreadsheet?


I don't have Kurdish results from Azerbaijan so I can't make an average anyway
I see. Azeri-Turkic DNA group shared a Kurdish result from Kalbajar awhile ago. His first pop was Kurdish too.
If you are interested, I can try to find it.

[Leto]

Super interesting, looking forward for the new thread!
The thread already exists :)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316789-Azeri-DNA&highlight=Azeri

By the way, hopefully there will be Kumyk and Lezgin samples from Lazaridis in the coming days.

[Sterling Archer]

Thanks!
I see that it has been quite there for some time.

[Kyp]

Another one from Teheran:

Gedrosian: 25.33
Siberian: 2.20
Northwest_African: 1.48
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.68
North_European: 7.10
South_Asian: 5.99
East_African: 0.22
Southwest_Asian: 11.22
East_Asian: 3.07
Caucasian: 37.71
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Teheran2
4.11049875 Iran_Central
5.38196990 Iranian_Fars
5.68717856 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.74337009 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.90134730 Yazidi
6.02076407 Iranian
6.32764569 Kurd_Adygea
6.35651634 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.42478793 Lur_Iran
6.60642112 Kurd_Sorani
7.09343358 Iran_Khorasan
7.11912916 Azerbaijani
7.40254010 Iraq_Turkmen
7.58963108 Zaza
7.60937580 Iran_C_East
7.76972329 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.49064803 Iran_Mazandaran
10.19531755 Turk_Southeast
11.49301527 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.82638575 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.01466481 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.04963218 Turk_East
13.10840189 Turk_Central_East
13.15155124 Turk_South
14.16537680 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Teheran2
Distance: 0.9672% / 0.96721327 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.7 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.9 Iranian_Fars
9.5 Iran_Khorasan
2.6 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
2.2 Turkmen_TM
1.7 Nivh
1.4 Pulliyar

[Dr_Maul]

I believe the following individual is around half Caucasus half Slavic

Gedrosia 11.91 Pct
Siberian 0.5 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.17 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.95 Pct
North_European 33.37 Pct
South_Asian 1.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.54 Pct
East_Asian 1.3 Pct
Caucasus 30.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Osfy
Distance: 2.1407% / 2.14065293 | R2P
58.6 Bosnian
41.4 Kumyks

Target: Osfy
Distance: 1.6368% / 1.63678361 | R3P
47.8 PL_Mazovia
27.5 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
24.7 Greek_Pontus

Target: Osfy
Distance: 2.4653% / 2.46528664 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.4 Pomak_Greece
35.7 Kaitag_Dagestan
8.9 Russian_Kursk

I also have this kit which is some sort of Russian-Chuvash hybrid or something
H416498

[Dr_Maul]

10 Armenian kits, not sure if any were posted here before. A couple are "southern" shifted towards Assyrians and Jews

QM5373323
T763751
T632601
T699065
T331231
UP6275953
CB8344895
YS7258526
T170278
NB1556601

[harutsafaryan07]

UP6275953
CB8344895


it is Look most as Hemshin



Отправлено с моего DLI-TL20 через Tapatalk

[harutsafaryan07]

@Dr_Maul

for Armenians who have ancestors from SE Turkey as Gaziantep or Diyarbakır
has a shift towards the Assyrians


Отправлено с моего DLI-TL20 через Tapatalk

[Sterling Archer]

it is Look most as Hemshin



Отправлено с моего DLI-TL20 через Tapatalk

Are Hemshin considered Armenian? Wikipedia says so, but their results are quit different.
Autosomally they are very close to Laz and Pontic Greeks rather than the Armenians.

[Leto]

I also have this kit which is some sort of Russian-Chuvash hybrid or something
H416498
More like a full Chuvash, just less East Eurasian than the average

Gedrosia 5.63 Pct
Siberian 17.65 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.9 Pct
North_European 47.99 Pct
South_Asian 2 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 4.78 Pct
Caucasus 8.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: A.
4.38778988 Chuvash
6.22152714 Komi
7.18149706 Besermyan_Udmurtia
8.70155733 Bashkir_North
8.80459539 Mari
8.88229700 Tatar_Mishar
9.29016684 Tatar_Kazan
9.48962065 Udmurt
12.57747987 Russian_Ural
13.62897282 Bashkir_Central

Target: A.
Distance: 1.5276% / 1.52762146 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.0 Chuvash
40.9 Russian_Ural
6.2 Dolgan
4.9 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk

Target: A.
Distance: 2.5139% / 2.51385893 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.8 Chuvash
21.0 Russian_Ural
3.2 Tatar_Mishar

[harutsafaryan07]

Are Hemshin considered Armenian? Wikipedia says so, but their results are quit different.
Autosomally they are very close to Laz and Pontic Greeks rather than the Armenians.

in fact Hemshin is 8th сentury, the Armenian princes Hamam and Shapuh Amatuni, who lost their domains in Vaspurakan (Van) to Arabs, moved to the Byzantine Empire with 12,000 of their people.They given the town of Rize btw also unlike of Turkey Hemshin Hemshin from southern Russia and Abkhazia Are Christians Hemshin are different because they have influences from Laz and Pontic Greeks

[Sterling Archer]

in fact Hemshin is 8th сentury, the Armenian princes Hamam and Shapuh Amatuni, who lost their domains in Vaspurakan (Van) to Arabs, moved to the Byzantine Empire with 12,000 of their people.They given the town of Rize btw also unlike of Turkey Hemshin Hemshin from southern Russia and Abkhazia Are Christians Hemshin are different because they have influences from Laz and Pontic Greeks

That's all good, but still does not answer the question about the formation of Hemshin. You say that Hemshin from southern Russia are more influenced by Laz, but when we look at the averages for Hemshin(which I assume also include those from Turkey) we get this:
Distance to: Hemshin
1.36422139 Laz
3.66412336 Turk_East_Black_Sea
4.42403662 Greek_Pontus
4.53921799 Georgian_Adjara
5.33484770 Georgian_Turkey
5.97560039 Turk_Ahiska
7.57513696 Armenian_East
7.63346579 Georgian
7.72888737 Georgian_Imereti
9.24547998 Armenian_West
9.67226447 Georgian_Gurian
10.37038090 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.69746554 Turk_East

You will the same result if you run one of the kits that you singled out above.

For reference, Hemshin are closer to Laz than Azerbaijanis from the republic are to Iranian Azerbaijanis. That's why I asked the question.

[Leto]

Azerbaijani_Dagestan from Balanovsky (n = 8)


Azerbaijani_Dagestan,22.71,1.65,0.42,1.64,7.92,13. 59,1.26,0.18,8.78,2.26,39.44,0.15

Not sure if it's better than the older one.

[Kyp]

Ethnic Persian from Khuzestan:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mostafa_Salehi-Vaziri/publication/311563737/figure/fig1/AS:486416745537536@1492982197253/Geographical-Location-of-Khuzestan-Province-in-Iran.png

Gedrosian: 26.48
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.51
North_European: 8.52
South_Asian: 5.98
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.29
East_Asian: 0.69
Caucasian: 35.49
Sub_Saharan: 0.00


Distance to: Khuzestan_Persian
4.12162589 Iran_Central
5.25849788 Iranian_Fars
5.47836654 Yazidi
5.88285645 Iran_C_East
6.29822197 Kurd_Sorani
6.48323222 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.78156324 Iran_Khorasan
6.99653486 Kurd_Adygea
7.38752327 Lur_Iran
7.56203015 Azerbaijani_Southeast
7.73483678 Azerbaijani_Central
7.76134653 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.83770375 Iranian
7.85185965 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
7.85389076 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.99909995 Iraq_Turkmen
8.14088447 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.26285060 Zaza
8.31425282 Azerbaijani
9.59075075 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
9.69189352 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.89794423 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.44070400 Azerbaijani_Absheron
10.61780109 Turk_Southeast
10.76462726 Azerbaijani_North

Target: Khuzestan_Persian
Distance: 1.9779% / 1.97793169 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.2 Iran_C_East
33.3 Iran_Central
24.2 Yazidi
5.0 Italian_Tuscany
2.3 France_Corsica

[Kyp]

From Qazvin, Iran
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Qazvin_in_Iran.svg

Gedrosian: 22.20
Siberian: 2.34
Northwest_African: 0.16
Southeast_Asian: 1.50
Atlantic_Med: 7.24
North_European: 7.60
South_Asian: 5.64
East_African: 0.13
Southwest_Asian: 11.87
East_Asian: 2.47
Caucasian: 38.87
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Qazvin
3.41752835 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.39447380 Azerbaijani
4.75995798 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.27737624 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.66003534 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.80294753 Iraq_Turkmen
6.08708469 Kurd_Sorani
6.09257745 Zaza
6.12318545 Iran_Central
6.19771732 Yazidi
6.29695958 Kurd_Adygea
6.55880324 Persian_Khuzestan
7.10218980 Turk_Southeast
7.75061288 Iranian
7.80775256 Iranian_Fars
7.82041559 Lur_Iran
9.56493596 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.62347131 Iran_Khorasan
9.76563362 Turk_Central_East
9.94159444 Turk_East
10.26646482 Turk_South
10.29079200 Iran_C_East
11.09664364 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.20559235 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.26362286 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Qazvin
Distance: 2.8188% / 2.81882480 | ADC: 1x RC
73.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
26.2 Iran_Central


From Sari, Mazandaran (Iran), notice the difference to the regular Mazandarani results:

Gedrosian: 27.20
Siberian: 2.27
Northwest_African: 1.58
Southeast_Asian: 0.52
Atlantic_Med: 3.72
North_European: 6.43
South_Asian: 3.90
East_African: 0.46
Southwest_Asian: 11.51
East_Asian: 2.03
Caucasian: 40.41
Sub_Saharan: 0.17

Distance to: Sari_Mazandaran
3.46395727 Iranian
4.16984412 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.16930363 Lur_Iran
5.41626255 Kurd_Adygea
5.46657114 Iran_Central
6.03256993 Yazidi
6.48701010 Persian_Khuzestan
6.71661373 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.73591865 Iran_Mazandaran
6.87098246 Iranian_Fars
7.10734831 Kurd_Sorani
7.15260093 Zaza
7.40204701 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.57511516 Iraq_Turkmen
9.31761772 Azerbaijani
9.34308300 Iran_C_East
9.40926140 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.97449748 Iran_Khorasan
11.15509749 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.57592329 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.44787934 Turk_Southeast
13.21581250 Turk_East
14.15517926 Iraqi_Baghdad
15.05326210 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
15.08758430 Turk_Central_East

Target: Sari_Mazandaran
Distance: 2.1274% / 2.12736171 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
30.5 Iran_Mazandaran
10.7 Turkmen_TM

[Leto]

Four Uzbek_Khorezm samples from Balanovsky. There are two more but I can't accept them as legit because 9-10% Atlantic_Med looks way too high for Uzbekistan. It's even higher than most Kurds and Persians would score.



Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-302,14.56,15.72,0,3.57,6.81,19.01,2.09,0,4.68,13.2 1,20.34,0

Gedrosia 14.56
Siberian 15.72
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 3.57
Atlantic_Med 6.81
North_European 19.01
South_Asian 2.09
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.68
East_Asian 13.21
Caucasus 20.34
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-302
9.10885833 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.17462261 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.37026147 Uzbek
10.88443384 Uzbeki
11.08420498 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.56436508 Turkmen_Iran
17.36103972 Nogai
17.76183549 Nogai_Stavropol
17.82284489 Lipka_Tatar
18.02569555 Tajik_Mountain

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-302
Distance: 1.1475% / 1.14745365 | R3P
58.3 Tatar_Siberia
37.0 Zaza
4.7 She



Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-304,15.02,14.08,0,3.99,6.93,16.23,5.45,0,4.24,17.7 0,16.35,0


Gedrosia 15.02
Siberian 14.08
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 3.99
Atlantic_Med 6.93
North_European 16.23
South_Asian 5.45
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.24
East_Asian 17.70
Caucasus 16.35
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-304
4.25668885 Uzbek
6.14315066 Uzbeki
6.43876541 Turkmen_Afghanistan
8.27591083 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.80081247 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.70113134 Nogai_Stavropol
14.98253984 Uyghur
15.07075313 Karakalpak
15.29102351 Turkmen_Iran
17.39593918 Hazara

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-304
Distance: 1.5891% / 1.58914896 | R3P
71.3 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.8 Bashkir_North
10.9 Tibetan



Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-305,14.04,14.64,1.80,2.93,4.25,19.05,4.06,0.05,3.1 3,22.68,13.36,0


Gedrosia 14.04
Siberian 14.64
Northwest_African 1.80
Southeast_Asian 2.93
Atlantic_Med 4.25
North_European 19.05
South_Asian 4.06
East_African 0.05
Southwest_Asian 3.13
East_Asian 22.68
Caucasus 13.36
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-305
6.66042791 Uzbeki
7.92739554 Uzbek
8.34997605 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.93435453 Nogai_Stavropol
10.55064927 Karakalpak
10.82235187 Uyghur
13.58950330 Nogai_Astrakhan
14.01113129 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.51636663 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.85209413 Hazara

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-305
Distance: 1.9453% / 1.94525448 | R3P
64.6 Uyghur
27.9 Bashkir_Central
7.5 Mandean



Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-306,16.57,13.43,0,1.00,4.70,17.51,8.29,0,2.95,13.4 3,22.12,0


Gedrosia 16.57
Siberian 13.43
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.00
Atlantic_Med 4.70
North_European 17.51
South_Asian 8.29
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.95
East_Asian 13.43
Caucasus 22.12
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-306
7.93090159 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.59944766 Uzbek
9.63962655 Turkmen_Afghanistan
10.26438503 Uzbeki
10.50379455 Turkmen_Iran
14.55842024 Tajik_Mountain
14.72250998 Turkmen_TM
15.67317134 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
16.17703619 Tajik_Lowland
16.95642651 Nogai

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-306
Distance: 1.5266% / 1.52661024 | R3P
67.0 Turkmen_Afghanistan
27.0 Qumuq
6.0 Pulliyar

[Leto]

Kumyks from Lazaridis

Component %
Gedrosia 22,11%
Siberian 0,56%
Atlantic_Med 12,46%
North_European 13,36%
South_Asian 0,47%
East_African 0,44%
Southwest_Asian 6,41%
Caucasus 44,14%
Sub_Saharan 0,05%

Component %
Gedrosia 21,47%
Siberian 4,41%
Northwest_African 0,02%
Southeast_Asian 0,01%
Atlantic_Med 7,22%
North_European 20,98%
South_Asian 0,69%
East_African 0,13%
Southwest_Asian 4,54%
East_Asian 2,94%
Caucasus 37,49%
Sub_Saharan 0,11%

Component %
Gedrosia 20,34%
Siberian 3,39%
Atlantic_Med 6,46%
North_European 23,06%
South_Asian 1,11%
Southwest_Asian 1,43%
East_Asian 2,27%
Caucasus 41,94%

Component %
Gedrosia 17,87%
Siberian 2,91%
Southeast_Asian 0,26%
Atlantic_Med 5,44%
North_European 17,71%
South_Asian 1,68%
East_African 0,23%
Southwest_Asian 5,75%
East_Asian 2,74%
Caucasus 45,15%
Sub_Saharan 0,25%

Component %
Gedrosia 19,94%
Siberian 2,60%
Southeast_Asian 0,36%
Atlantic_Med 7,24%
North_European 16,77%
South_Asian 1,61%
Southwest_Asian 6,73%
East_Asian 3,79%
Caucasus 40,96%

Component %
Gedrosia 19,49%
Siberian 2,09%
Northwest_African 0,21%
Southeast_Asian 1,27%
Atlantic_Med 2,94%
North_European 20,34%
South_Asian 1,63%
East_African 1,21%
Southwest_Asian 9,10%
East_Asian 3,04%
Caucasus 38,69%

Component %
Gedrosia 21,53%
Siberian 2,08%
Northwest_African 0,23%
Atlantic_Med 8,03%
North_European 22,04%
South_Asian 1,29%
East_African 0,13%
Southwest_Asian 2,20%
East_Asian 4,73%
Caucasus 37,71%
Sub_Saharan 0,02%

Component %
Gedrosia 21,99%
Siberian 3,65%
Northwest_African 1,14%
Southeast_Asian 0,01%
Atlantic_Med 6,15%
North_European 20,67%
Southwest_Asian 4,74%
Caucasus 41,26%
Sub_Saharan 0,39%

The first one didn't make it into the average being a blatant outlier.


Kumyk,20.38,3.02,0.23,0.27,6.21,20.22,1.14,0.24,4. 93,2.79,40.46,0.11

Distance to: Kumyk
3.67204303 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.37289378 Chechen
4.42161735 Kabardin
5.08584310 Ingush
5.36223834 Balkar
5.71320400 Abazin
6.04960329 Karachay
6.24602273 Circassian
7.49943998 Adyghe
7.91886355 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.50061174 Lezgin
8.60285418 Ossetian
8.69564259 Lak
10.11718834 Kubachi_Dagestan
10.12301832 Kaitag_Dagestan
10.18652541 Tabasaran
10.27840455 Avar
11.73568064 Dargin
12.36796669 Ossetian_South
13.74269988 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 0.6395% / 0.63952586 | R3P
66.6 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
28.5 Kabardin
4.9 Tatar_Kazan

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 1.3495% / 1.34945249 | R2P
66.6 Kabardin
33.4 Lezgin

Unfortunately the Lezgins from Lazaridis have turned out to be a failure (calculator-affected), so I won't be posting them.

[Kyp]

Kumyks from Lazaridis

Component %
Gedrosia 22,11%
Siberian 0,56%
Atlantic_Med 12,46%
North_European 13,36%
South_Asian 0,47%
East_African 0,44%
Southwest_Asian 6,41%
Caucasus 44,14%
Sub_Saharan 0,05%

Component %
Gedrosia 21,47%
Siberian 4,41%
Northwest_African 0,02%
Southeast_Asian 0,01%
Atlantic_Med 7,22%
North_European 20,98%
South_Asian 0,69%
East_African 0,13%
Southwest_Asian 4,54%
East_Asian 2,94%
Caucasus 37,49%
Sub_Saharan 0,11%

Component %
Gedrosia 20,34%
Siberian 3,39%
Atlantic_Med 6,46%
North_European 23,06%
South_Asian 1,11%
Southwest_Asian 1,43%
East_Asian 2,27%
Caucasus 41,94%

Component %
Gedrosia 17,87%
Siberian 2,91%
Southeast_Asian 0,26%
Atlantic_Med 5,44%
North_European 17,71%
South_Asian 1,68%
East_African 0,23%
Southwest_Asian 5,75%
East_Asian 2,74%
Caucasus 45,15%
Sub_Saharan 0,25%

Component %
Gedrosia 19,94%
Siberian 2,60%
Southeast_Asian 0,36%
Atlantic_Med 7,24%
North_European 16,77%
South_Asian 1,61%
Southwest_Asian 6,73%
East_Asian 3,79%
Caucasus 40,96%

Component %
Gedrosia 19,49%
Siberian 2,09%
Northwest_African 0,21%
Southeast_Asian 1,27%
Atlantic_Med 2,94%
North_European 20,34%
South_Asian 1,63%
East_African 1,21%
Southwest_Asian 9,10%
East_Asian 3,04%
Caucasus 38,69%

Component %
Gedrosia 21,53%
Siberian 2,08%
Northwest_African 0,23%
Atlantic_Med 8,03%
North_European 22,04%
South_Asian 1,29%
East_African 0,13%
Southwest_Asian 2,20%
East_Asian 4,73%
Caucasus 37,71%
Sub_Saharan 0,02%

Component %
Gedrosia 21,99%
Siberian 3,65%
Northwest_African 1,14%
Southeast_Asian 0,01%
Atlantic_Med 6,15%
North_European 20,67%
Southwest_Asian 4,74%
Caucasus 41,26%
Sub_Saharan 0,39%

The first one didn't make it into the average being a blatant outlier.


Kumyk,20.38,3.02,0.23,0.27,6.21,20.22,1.14,0.24,4. 93,2.79,40.46,0.11

Distance to: Kumyk
3.67204303 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.37289378 Chechen
4.42161735 Kabardin
5.08584310 Ingush
5.36223834 Balkar
5.71320400 Abazin
6.04960329 Karachay
6.24602273 Circassian
7.49943998 Adyghe
7.91886355 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.50061174 Lezgin
8.60285418 Ossetian
8.69564259 Lak
10.11718834 Kubachi_Dagestan
10.12301832 Kaitag_Dagestan
10.18652541 Tabasaran
10.27840455 Avar
11.73568064 Dargin
12.36796669 Ossetian_South
13.74269988 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 0.6395% / 0.63952586 | R3P
66.6 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
28.5 Kabardin
4.9 Tatar_Kazan

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 1.3495% / 1.34945249 | R2P
66.6 Kabardin
33.4 Lezgin

Unfortunately the Lezgins from Lazaridis have turned out to be a failure (calculator-affected), so I won't be posting them.

Nice!

Here is real Lezgin result I have found today:

Gedrosian: 25.54
Siberian: 3.17
Northwest_African: 0.07
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 22.92
South_Asian: 0.17
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.76
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 36.29
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Lezgin_Dagestan
4.52387002 Lezgin
4.60428062 Qumuq
4.60649541 Lak
4.92137176 Tabasaran
4.98525827 Avar
5.37576971 Kaitag_Dagestan
5.94683109 Dargin
5.97555855 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.06758948 Kumyk
8.24413731 Chechen
8.47762349 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.33249244 Ingush
11.21359889 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.41042944 Kabardin
12.61905702 Balkar
13.06728357 Abazin
13.30940645 Karachay
13.60113966 Circassian
13.68973338 Kumyks
14.16228089 Adyghe
15.24250964 Ossetian
15.36158195 Yagnobi
17.54836175 Azerbaijani
17.56912064 Iran_Khorasan
17.89604705 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Target: Lezgin_Dagestan
Distance: 1.4604% / 1.46044195 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.2 Lezgin
26.3 Dargin
9.4 Qumuq
8.1 Italian_Tuscany

[Leto]

Here is real Lezgin result I have found today:

Cool. I deleted Kumyks and Qumuq and put the new Kumyk in their stead

Target: Lezgin_Dagestan
Distance: 1.5317% / 1.53166306 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.5 Lezgin
40.4 Lak
9.1 Italian_Emilia

He scores Italian because his Atlantic_Med is twice as high as the average for Lezgins.

[Mejgusu]

...

First and last one must be Turkmens, i think this province has not a (big/considerable)Tadjik community

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani from the republic:
Y-dna: R1a
https://i.imgur.com/pb4zMYU.png
https://i.imgur.com/4iQFJdi.png

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani from the republic:
Y-dna: R1a
]

Hey Sterling. Someone from Azerbaijani DNA Project told me that the Absheron average should be disregarded (at least if it's the one I made) as it consists of people living in Absheron but not native people from Absheron. So I suggest not using it anymore.

And do you know where his paternal ancestor is from? (Asking because of his YDNA)

[Sterling Archer]

Hey Sterling. Someone from Azerbaijani DNA Project told me that the Absheron average should be disregarded (at least if it's the one I made) as it consists of people living in Absheron but not native people from Absheron. So I suggest not using it anymore.

I agree. I saw that they were discussing your list in that project:)
You remember I told you the same about some of the results from Gabala and Derbent (in both regions NE=8). Knowing what I know about the mobility of Azerbaijanis, those results are definitely outlier, likely recent movers to the region. I think they should be removed or scrutinized more.
Absheron will be even more challenging due to the huge influx from all over the country.

They also explained why separated Qax-Zagatala from Dagestan because they thought it was distinct enough. I guess, also because it is useful to have North region for the republic also, as possessed to Derbent which is in another country )

[Kyp]

I agree. I saw that they were discussing your list in that project:)
You remember I told you the same about some of the results from Gabala and Derbent (in both regions NE=8). Knowing what I know about the mobility of Azerbaijanis, those results are definitely outlier, likely recent movers to the region. I think they should be removed or scrutinized more.
Absheron will be even more challenging due to the huge influx from all over the country.

They also explained why separated Qax-Zagatala from Dagestan because they thought it was distinct enough. I guess, also because it is useful to have North region for the republic also, as possessed to Derbent which is in another country )

Yes unfortunately I didn't knew that otherwise I wouldn't have included Absheron. It also is the question if someone wants to make an average for the region in general or just for the native people.
Same goes for Qazvin/Zanjan as almost all of the results were mixed with Persians. On the one hand this is very common for that region but on the other hand I see why it shouldn't be included. It was misleading in that regard.

I agree about the "North" being worth seperated from the other I just don't agree with small countries having that much averages in the default list. But it's definetly worth for Azerbaijani results to add them manually.

[Sterling Archer]

And do you know where his paternal ancestor is from? (Asking because of his YDNA)
His paternal ancestors are from Baku, Gazakh and Sarab.

[Sterling Archer]

Yes unfortunately I didn't knew that otherwise I wouldn't have included Absheron. It also is the question if someone wants to make an average for the region in general or just for the native people.
Same goes for Qazvin/Zanjan as almost all of the results were mixed with Persians. On the one hand this is very common for that region but on the other hand I see why it shouldn't be included. It was misleading in that regard.

I agree about the "North" being worth seperated from the other I just don't agree with small countries having that much averages in the default list. But it's definetly worth for Azerbaijani results to add them manually.
It is a learning experience, I see no issues with that ))
Did you discuss with them the unusual Gabala results too? I have not seen those results on their page, which leads me to believe that they are not genuine to the region also. One is most likely Udi (Gabala is their "home"), the other is not from that region judging by his/her results.
Ditto for Derbent.

[Kyp]

It is a learning experience, I see no issues with that ))
Did you discuss with them the unusual Gabala results too? I have not seen those results on their page, which leads me to believe that they are not genuine to the region also. One is most likely Udi (Gabala is their "home"), the other is not from that region judging by his/her results.
Ditto for Derbent.

Yep surely it will improve from there.

No I haven't discussed it.
The Udi one I didn't include, it was too obvious of an outlier. The other one I probably included but I don't remember where it was from.

[Kyp]

New Iranian Azerbaijani:


Gedrosian: 22.74
Siberian: 3.25
Northwest_African: 0.25
Southeast_Asian: 1.06
Atlantic_Med: 8.96
North_European: 9.25
South_Asian: 3.48
East_African: 0.37
Southwest_Asian: 11.89
East_Asian: 2.07
Caucasian: 36.43
Sub_Saharan: 0.25

Distance to: RS
3.40640573 Azerbaijani
3.42454377 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.51754176 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
3.76486388 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Moghan
4.49998889 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.79285927 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.96294268 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.53122952 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.05995875 Turk_Southeast
6.21260815 Yazidi
6.63058067 Iran_Central
6.84374167 Azerbaijani_North
6.86939590 Iraq_Turkmen
6.92056356 Kurd_Sorani
6.99992143 Kurd_Adygea
7.07292726 Zaza
7.44157241 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.55584542 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.07978960 Iranian_Fars
8.73375063 Iran_Khorasan
8.83311949 Iranian
8.92864491 Turk_South
9.04832029 Lur_Iran
9.12195155 Turk_Central_East
9.79388585 Iran_C_East

Target: RS
Distance: 1.5626% / 1.56263736 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.5 Azerbaijani
16.7 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.2 Iran_C_East
5.6 Yagnobi

[Altaylı]

New Iranian Azerbaijani:
[URL="com/udRpg[/URL] (Don't quote)

Gedrosian: 22.74
Siberian: 3.25
Northwest_African: 0.25
Southeast_Asian: 1.06
Atlantic_Med: 8.96
North_European: 9.25
South_Asian: 3.48
East_African: 0.37
Southwest_Asian: 11.89
East_Asian: 2.07
Caucasian: 36.43
Sub_Saharan: 0.25

Distance to: RS
3.40640573 Azerbaijani
3.42454377 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.51754176 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
3.76486388 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Moghan
4.49998889 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.79285927 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.96294268 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.53122952 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.05995875 Turk_Southeast
6.21260815 Yazidi
6.63058067 Iran_Central
6.84374167 Azerbaijani_North
6.86939590 Iraq_Turkmen
6.92056356 Kurd_Sorani
6.99992143 Kurd_Adygea
7.07292726 Zaza
7.44157241 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.55584542 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.07978960 Iranian_Fars
8.73375063 Iran_Khorasan
8.83311949 Iranian
8.92864491 Turk_South
9.04832029 Lur_Iran
9.12195155 Turk_Central_East
9.79388585 Iran_C_East

Target: RS
Distance: 1.5626% / 1.56263736 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.5 Azerbaijani
16.7 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.2 Iran_C_East
5.6 Yagnobi

She looks very Turkic also her autosomal too :)

[Leto]

Afghan

Gedrosia 31.12 Pct
Siberian 5.55 Pct
Northwest_African 0.14 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.59 Pct
North_European 14.11 Pct
South_Asian 21.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.08 Pct
East_Asian 4.35 Pct
Caucasus 17.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Jahed
4.87928273 Tajik_Kabul
7.72800104 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
8.14751496 Pashtun_Tarkalani
8.19940852 Pashtun_Yusafzai
8.61138781 Pashtun_Kandahar
8.66228607 Kho
9.16882217 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.92283104 Kalash
11.97590080 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.13297161 Nuristani

Target: Jahed
Distance: 0.9005% / 0.90049818 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.4 Tajik_Kabul
32.4 Kho
6.1 Balkan_Gypsy
3.6 Pulliyar
2.6 Dolgan
0.9 Tatar_Zabolotniye

Target: Jahed
Distance: 3.1143% / 3.11427401 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.6 Tajik_Kabul
24.9 Kho
11.0 Balkan_Gypsy
9.5 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin

[harutsafaryan07]

Armenian have one Lezgin great great grandparent interesting from where did she get Lezgin great great grandparent

Gedrosia 20.32
Siberian 0
Northwest_African 0.75
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 9.93
North_European 6.44
South_Asian 1.30
East_African 0.32
Southwest_Asian 12.71
East_Asian 0
Caucasus 48.24
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: Nat
3.31238585 Udi_Azerbaijan
3.95828246 Armenian_East
4.30258062 Turk_East
6.19627307 Armenian_West
6.66817066 Turk_Ahiska
7.55775099 Zaza
7.79333048 Azeri_Jew
7.94305986 Assyrian_North
8.42327727 Assyrian_West
8.50944769 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.51380643 Assyrian_South
9.30592285 Greek_Pontus
9.31553004 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.42987275 Hemshin
9.66654540 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.69033539 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.89938382 Kurd_Adygea
10.13579301 Georgian
10.26163730 Laz
10.60940149 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.80798316 Iranian_Jew
11.10516546 Mandean
11.26259739 Azerbaijani
11.39312951 Kurdish_Jew
11.46047556 Turk_Central_East

[harutsafaryan07]

..

[Altaylı]

Ankara,Şereflikoçhisar:

Gedrosian: 17.53
Siberian: 5.84
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 10.01
North_European: 10
South_Asian: 2.05
East_African: 0.2
Southwest_Asian: 12.65
East_Asian: 4.77
Caucasian: 36.95
Sub_Saharan: -


Target: Gossarlı
Distance: 1.2200% / 1.21996042 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.5 Azerbaijani
42.4 Turk_South
9.0 Turk_Southeast
1.7 Kuwait2
1.6 Tatar_Zabolotniye
1.5 Dolgan
0.3 Evenk

Turkicness

Target: Gossarlı
Distance: 2.0075% / 2.00748448 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
37.0 Anatolian
14.9 Mesopotamian
10.0 Greek

Target: Gossarlı
Distance: 2.8494% / 2.84938927 | R2P
59.3 Anatolian
40.7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan


Distance to: Gossarlı
3.17538974 Turk_South
4.00583325 Turk_Southeast
5.11293458 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
5.15524975 Turk_Central_East
5.27595489 Turk_Central_West
5.28700293 Azerbaijani
5.86699242 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.75430233 Turk_Southwest
6.91407984 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.39301021 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.14320513 Turk_Northwest
9.90200990 Iraq_Turkmen
10.16403955 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.54748311 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.71131645 Turk_East
10.88149346 Zaza
11.56370183 Kurd_Sorani
11.77454458 Yazidi
11.96993317 Kurd_Adygea
12.09880986 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.39868945 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.40625649 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.99081842 Iranian_Fars
14.13957213 Kabardin
14.26039971 Iran_Khorasan

[Altaylı]

Another result from Ankara Şereflikoçhisar,


Gedrosian: 16.29
Siberian: 6.17
Northwest_African: 0.87
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 12.58
North_European: 8.60
South_Asian: 2.78
East_African: 0.13
Southwest_Asian: 11.08
East_Asian: 4.34
Caucasian: 37.15
Sub_Saharan: -

Target: Gossarlı_2
Distance: 0.6700% / 0.67000461 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.1 Turk_Central_East
24.3 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
22.8 Turk_South
11.3 Lur_Iran
3.9 Sardinian
3.1 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
2.5 Yukagir

Target: Gossarlı_2
Distance: 1.1302% / 1.13017457 | R3P
54.8 Greek_Cappadocia
34.3 Iran_Khorasan
10.9 Tuvan

Turkicness

Target: Gossarlı_2
Distance: 1.8771% / 1.87714373 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
36.9 Cappadocian_Greek
18.3 Eastern_Anatolian
4.5 Mesopotamian
1.7 Greek

Target: Gossarlı_2
Distance: 2.7916% / 2.79161447 | R2P
59.8 Greek_Cappadocia
40.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

[Graywolf]

Siberya iyi gelmiş, Türkmen anadolu kırması bir bir genetik.

[Graywolf]

Siberya iyi gelmiş, Türkmen anadolu kırması bir bir genetik.

Edgü denen organizma bu girdiye eksi basmış, doğrusu nedir söyle bilelim hümstad, öyle seri eksileyince çıkıyor mu kuyruk acısı?

[Altaylı]

Siberya iyi gelmiş, Türkmen anadolu kırması bir bir genetik.

tam anadolu sayılmaz aslında Ankara Şereflikoçhisarın insanı anadoluya sonradan irandan gelen Türkmenler olduğu için birazcıkta iran var anadoluyu aşşağı çekmiş.
genetik olarak Nerdeyse Yarı Özbekistan Türkmeni gibi Türkmenistanı baz alınca %60 a kadar yükseliyor fakat onlar biraz iranlılar ile karıştığı için Özbekistan Türkmeni kadar iyi bir materyal değil.

[Graywolf]

Evet haklısın iran etkisi normalden yüksek ama rum karakteristiği ona göre daha baskın.

[Graywolf]

Edgü gel delikanlı gibi bir derdin varsa söyle, senin dediklerinin hatalı olduğunu söyledik her halta evet doğrusun demediğimiz için mi bu kin yoksa moğol kızın fotosunu 'rate attractiveness'dan kaldır dediğimiz için mi? Böyle kindar olmaya gerek yok objektif davran. Tekrar söylüyorum gel bir derdin varsa paylaş konuşup anlaşalım.

[Altaylı]

Evet haklısın iran etkisi normalden yüksek ama rum karakteristiği ona göre daha baskın.

aynen kaba bir tasvirle %40 Özbekistan Türkmeni %40 Anadolulu %20 Iran diyebiliriz. Türki mirası ortalamaya göre gayet iyi

[Graywolf]

Ben yörük/tatar olarak yaptıracam bakalım neler göreceğiz. Para olsa y dna yaptıracağım ona biriktireyim diyorum ama 800tl olmuş kaldıramam şu an. Bular arsında senin sonuçların var mı?

[Altaylı]

Ben yörük/tatar olarak yaptıracam bakalım neler göreceğiz. Para olsa y dna yaptıracağım ona biriktireyim diyorum ama 800tl olmuş kaldıramam şu an. Bular arsında senin sonuçların var mı?

yok ben daha yaptırmadım :( ama yaptırmayı planlıyorum. Bende çok merak ediyorum sonuçlarımı ben dahil ailemin çoğunluğu çekik ama genede emin olunmuyor genetik başka bir boyut :D

[Graywolf]

deli para knk. yani benim çekincem familyfinder 'ı tek başına yaptırınca para bok yoluna gidecek gibi direkt ydna yaptırmak istiyorum.

[Altaylı]

deli para knk. yani benim çekincem familyfinder 'ı tek başına yaptırınca para bok yoluna gidecek gibi direkt ydna yaptırmak istiyorum.

şuan bizim için en uygunu myheritage gibi hem otozomal sonucumuzu öğreniyoruz hem y dnayada bakabiliyoruz.
dediğin gibi çok para

[Graywolf]

O kaç para civarı kardeşim?
Edit: hmm kargo hariç 60 yuro 520 tl civarı, yine pahalı aq.

[Altaylı]

O kaç para civarı kardeşim?

şuan indirim var galiba €59
normalde €79

[Altaylı]

Ankara Şereflikoçhisar this is last:

Gedrosian: 18.18
Siberian: 5.23
Northwest_African: 2.48
Southeast_Asian: 0.33
Atlantic_Med: 11.58
North_European: 8.32
South_Asian: 1.89
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 10.85
East_Asian: 4.70
Caucasian: 36.45
Sub_Saharan: -

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 0.9790% / 0.97897241 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.0 Turk_South
3.9 Algerian
3.9 Sardinian
3.0 Hazara
2.2 Yakut
1.7 Yazidi

Turkicness

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 2.5407% / 2.54074320 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.7 Anatolian
39.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.1 Greek_Kos

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 3.3715% / 3.37147780 | R2P
58.2 Anatolian
41.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan


His Iranian is higher than according to other Şereflikoçhisar results I post here

[Leto]

Mountain Jew + 1/4 Chuvash

Gedrosia 13.98 Pct
Siberian 5.04 Pct
Northwest_African 1.6 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.52 Pct
North_European 15.34 Pct
South_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_African 0.26 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.24 Pct
East_Asian 1.86 Pct
Caucasus 36.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Alex
2.58902947 72.00% Assyrian_South + 28.00% Chuvash
2.69496496 72.00% Assyrian_West + 28.00% Chuvash
2.71780482 72.00% Assyrian_North + 28.00% Chuvash
2.77189118 72.20% Azeri_Jew + 27.80% Chuvash
3.02236920 73.40% Assyrian_West + 26.60% Mari
3.03074265 28.40% Chuvash + 71.60% Kurdish_Jew
3.08801226 73.40% Assyrian_South + 26.60% Mari
3.17264446 69.60% Assyrian_South + 30.40% Bashkir_North
3.17522905 73.20% Assyrian_North + 26.80% Mari
3.22748848 69.80% Assyrian_West + 30.20% Bashkir_North
3.22880288 69.60% Assyrian_North + 30.40% Bashkir_North
3.25284666 73.80% Assyrian_South + 26.20% Komi

[Sterling Archer]

Avar: 3 grandparents are avars from Balaken, Azerbaijan, 1 grandparent is avar from Dagestan.
Interestingly, very distant from avars, and rather close to northern Azerbaijanis.

https://i.imgur.com/3j02wOK.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZsYQPgN.png

[Leto]

That's an interesting sample. I would have expected Avars from Azerbaijan to be just like those from Dagestan. Perhaps Lezgins in AZ would also differ from Dagestani ones by being less European.

[Sterling Archer]

That's an interesting sample. I would have expected Avars from Azerbaijan to be just like those from Dagestan. Perhaps Lezgins in AZ would also differ from Dagestani ones by being less European.

Yeah, I suspect they will be less "european:)" , because there is no barriers, (religions, cultural or even appearance wise, both look kavkaz ultimately) between the Azeris and Avars. They freely intermarry.
When women marry in these villages, they tend to move to their husbands' place. So, genes flows both ways. Azerbaijanis get high "euro", while Avars get (relatively) high "EA", usually through these kind of marriages.

I think Kyp posted some Tsakhur results some time ago. And they exhibited these patterns too. Some were closer to North Azeris than to Tsakhurs.

PS. The reason I mentioned about appearance: previously I didn't think it would be important, but then I read about Ahiska Turks who were deported to Uzbekistan. They complained how the place was different, climate was different and how people in Uzbekistan looked different. This racial divide apparently can be important, and served as a barrier between Ahiska and Uzbeks. They rarely intermarried and there were even conflicts between the two groups.
When they were settled in Azerbaijan, they had no such complaints anymore, as they blend with the locals seamlessly.

[Kaspias]

1/2 Turkish from Targovishte and Varna
1/2 Turkish from Istanbul, Çatalca, traced until the 1800s. A rumour that there might be a Crimean origin in one part of the family but could not be confirmed with state data.

She has a similar result to my father.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.05
2 North_European 21.89
3 Atlantic_Med 20.09
4 Gedrosia 11
5 Southwest_Asian 8.69
6 Siberian 4.41
7 East_Asian 3.3
8 South_Asian 2.17
9 Sub_Saharan 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 14.57
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.74
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.51
4 Romanians (Behar) 16.59
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.7
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.11
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.22
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.48
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.76
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.87
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.5
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.05
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.59
15 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 21.83
16 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.95
17 Turks (Behar) 22.44
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.18
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.54
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 24.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.76
2 64.1% Turks (Behar) + 35.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.95
3 62.1% Turks (Behar) + 37.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.96
4 66.1% Turks (Behar) + 33.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 4.96
5 64.7% Turks (Behar) + 35.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.01
6 67.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 32.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.02
7 64.7% Turks (Behar) + 35.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.1
8 63.1% Turks (Behar) + 36.9% English (Dodecad) @ 5.11
9 63.1% Turks (Behar) + 36.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.12
10 64.6% Turks (Behar) + 35.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 5.14
11 62.8% Turks (Behar) + 37.2% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.17
12 60.8% Turks (Behar) + 39.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.18
13 64% Turks (Behar) + 36% British (Dodecad) @ 5.24
14 64.1% Turks (Behar) + 35.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 5.25
15 66.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 33.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.37
16 63.7% Turks (Behar) + 36.3% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 5.43
17 60.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 39.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.43
18 63.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.47
19 67.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 32.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.47
20 66.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 33.7% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.49



Distance to: Emine
5.05967390 Turk_Trakya
6.71133370 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
8.21423155 Turk_Deliorman
8.74605054 Turk_Makedonya
10.16794965 Bulgarian_Thrace
10.41998081 Greek_Peloponnese
11.29873002 Greek_Thrace
11.33904317 Greek_Central
11.34717586 Greek_Lemnos
11.49204943 Greek_Thessaloniki
11.51124667 Greek_Thessaly
11.74645904 Turk_Northwest
12.01746229 Italian_Apulia
12.02204226 Greek_Athens
12.08789063 MD_Gagauz

Distance to: Emine
1.94603930 62.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 37.40% Turkmen_Iran
2.10608639 66.40% Greek_Thessaly + 33.60% Turkmen_Iran
2.14966171 72.40% Turk_Makedonya + 27.60% Turkmen_Iran
2.24509717 66.80% Greek_Thrace + 33.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.33079169 74.00% Turk_Makedonya + 26.00% Turkmen_TM
2.34041666 25.80% Danish + 74.20% Turk_West_BlackSea
2.34326347 71.40% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.34335330 69.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.80% Turkmen_Iran
2.35697170 29.00% Bavarian_German + 71.00% Turk_Northwest
2.37485472 11.80% Parsi_India + 88.20% Turk_Trakya
2.39520749 28.80% Dutch + 71.20% Turk_West_BlackSea
2.39930699 25.60% Swedish + 74.40% Turk_West_BlackSea
2.40390495 27.40% German_Northwest + 72.60% Turk_West_BlackSea
2.40619169 26.20% Icelandic + 73.80% Turk_West_BlackSea
2.43563815 29.00% Dutch + 71.00% Turk_Southwest
2.45218016 14.60% Iran_Khorasan + 85.40% Turk_Trakya
2.46539870 13.20% Iranian_Fars + 86.80% Turk_Trakya
2.49417611 68.80% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.49849894 39.20% Bavarian_German + 60.80% Turk_South
2.51566235 32.20% Dutch + 67.80% Turk_Central_West
2.51958907 24.80% Dutch + 75.20% Turk_Northwest
2.52964663 29.00% Swedish + 71.00% Turk_Central_West
2.52979025 64.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 35.40% Turkmen_TM
2.53056915 33.40% Bavarian_German + 66.60% Turk_Southwest
2.54206701 29.20% Danish + 70.80% Turk_Central_West

[Altaylı]

Ankara Şereflikoçhisar this is last:

Gedrosian: 18.18
Siberian: 5.23
Northwest_African: 2.48
Southeast_Asian: 0.33
Atlantic_Med: 11.58
North_European: 8.32
South_Asian: 1.89
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 10.85
East_Asian: 4.70
Caucasian: 36.45
Sub_Saharan: -

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 0.9790% / 0.97897241 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.0 Turk_South
3.9 Algerian
3.9 Sardinian
3.0 Hazara
2.2 Yakut
1.7 Yazidi

Turkicness

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 2.5407% / 2.54074320 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.7 Anatolian
39.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.1 Greek_Kos

Target: Gossarlı_3
Distance: 3.3715% / 3.37147780 | R2P
58.2 Anatolian
41.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan


His Iranian is higher than according to other Şereflikoçhisar results I post here

I forgot write his y dna
his y dna is R1b L23 (Z2103)

[RatCat]

Results of an Ossetian from Russia

Population
Gedrosia 19.88 Pct
Siberian 4.45 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.43 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.92 Pct
North_European 14.01 Pct
South_Asian 0.26 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.47 Pct
East_Asian 1.77 Pct
Caucasus 48.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Taymuraz
4.21734514 Ossetian
4.39671468 Adyghe
4.48714831 Ossetian_South
6.46574048 Karachay
6.90630871 Circassian
6.99344693 Ingush
7.66910686 Abazin
7.75873057 Abkhazian
7.90835634 Balkar
9.03348770 Georgian
9.28305984 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.76756879 Kabardin
9.80640097 Turk_Ahiska
10.08267326 Chechen
10.69267506 Kumyk
10.83561258 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.10546262 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.13421304 Georgian_Svan
11.65309401 Georgian_Gurian
11.87624520 Turk_East
12.86798741 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.26758456 Georgian_Imereti
13.71643175 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.84196157 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.86251060 Armenian_East


Target: Taymuraz
Distance: 2.4896% / 2.48957217 | R2P
65.3 Balkar
34.7 Georgian_Turkey

Target: Taymuraz
Distance: 0.8932% / 0.89315579 | R3P
52.2 Ingush
44.0 Georgian_Gurian
3.8 Yakut

[RatCat]

Adyghe result (At first i thought she might be a little mixed but she is not. She scores a little higher North_Caucasian than Adyghe average on k36.)

Population
Gedrosia 20.29 Pct
Siberian 2.99 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.51 Pct
North_European 13.87 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.92 Pct
East_Asian 3.21 Pct
Caucasus 47.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Esma
4.31389615 Adyghe
4.90183639 Ossetian
6.23178947 Karachay
6.27580274 Ingush
6.27945061 Ossetian_South
6.29144657 Circassian
7.07518198 Abazin
7.54291058 Balkar
7.98279400 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
8.75875562 Kabardin
8.91295125 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.42182042 Kumyk
9.43539612 Abkhazian
9.57395947 Chechen
9.67760818 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.88061233 Turk_Ahiska
9.91601230 Georgian
10.51579764 Turk_East
10.95162545 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.39897980 Azerbaijani
12.47435770 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.51377241 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.70694692 Turk_Central_East
12.87548834 Zaza
12.90859016 Georgian_Svan


Target: Esma
Distance: 2.4408% / 2.44084527 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.2 Ingush
25.8 Greek_Pontus



Target: Esma
Distance: 0.8480% / 0.84799240 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.7 Ingush
30.5 Laz
2.8 Nivh

[Saba]

Finally got my Grandmother's Ancestry results. I thought she would be mostly of Qashqai descent. She always said her mother's family came from a town in Almarvdasht near Hormozgan (an area with many afro-iranians and bandari) but I didn't believe her because she has Alzheimer's and my Aunt said that her grandmother came from Marvdasht in northern Fars (also her mother was naturally blonde with blue eyes). But, considering the high African and Southwest Asian my Grandmother was correct seems like she had an Iranian Arab/Iraqi ancestor because she has MANY Arabian matches. I think it would come from one of the Arab tribes in the Qashqai. Also VERY high Northern European I guess this is where my aunt and I get our higher Northern European from. I wonder what exactly is the reason why all our results get such a high Northern European ??

Gedrosia 26.61 Pct
Siberian 1.47 Pct
Northwest_African 1.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.75 Pct
North_European 9.56 Pct
South_Asian 4.56 Pct
East_African 0.77 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.65 Pct
East_Asian 0.3 Pct
Caucasus 36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.83 Pct

1 92.2% Iranians (Behar) + 7.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 5.02


Target: MAMAN
Distance: 1.9348% / 1.93483480 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.7 Iran_Mazandaran
25.9 Lezgin
18.5 Iranian_Fars
9.7 Kuwait2
1.7 Mandenka
1.5 Kuwait1


Target: MAMAN
Distance: 4.0693% / 4.06929237 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.2 Iranian_Fars
19.4 Kurd_Sorani
16.4 Lezgin

Target: MAMAN
Distance: 4.5005% / 4.50046582 | ADC: 1x RC
77.8 Iranian_Fars
22.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

[Sterling Archer]

I wonder what exactly is the reason why all our results get such a high Northern European ??



Target: MAMAN
Distance: 1.9348% / 1.93483480 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.7 Iran_Mazandaran
25.9 Lezgin
18.5 Iranian_Fars
9.7 Kuwait2
1.7 Mandenka
1.5 Kuwait1


Target: MAMAN
Distance: 4.0693% / 4.06929237 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.2 Iranian_Fars
19.4 Kurd_Sorani
16.4 Lezgin

Target: MAMAN
Distance: 4.5005% / 4.50046582 | ADC: 1x RC
77.8 Iranian_Fars
22.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Maybe you get relatively high NE from Caucasus? Azerbaijani or Lezgin seems to be a safe bet as there was a lot of movement to and from Caucasus.


also her mother was naturally blonde with blue eyes
Plenty of people with much less NE can have those features. These things are not necessarily correlated.

[Saba]

Maybe you get relatively high NE from Caucasus? Azerbaijani or Lezgin seems to be a safe bet as there was a lot of movement to and from Caucasus.


Plenty of people with much less NE can have those features. These things are not necessarily correlated.

Well our family is of Qashqai origins so I think it probably has something to do Turkic or Steppe ancestry. Though Fars did have a population of Caucasians (I believe it was mainly Georgian and Adyghe) at certain points in history and it was documented that a Georgian group joined a Qashqai tribe. So, I wonder if it has anything to with Adgyhe or Lezgian admixture??

Also yes I agree lighter features do no mean much but I just thought it was also just another reason (besides what my Aunt said and that my grandmother has Alzheimer's) not to believe my grandmother's claim that my great-grandmother came from a place with mostly Bandari people who are usually much more swarthy in complexion. I think the light complexion honestly just comes from the inbreeding that is disturbingly common in my family lol.

[Sterling Archer]

Well our family is of Qashqai origins so I think it probably has something to do Turkic or Steppe ancestry. Though Fars did have a population of Caucasians (I believe it was mainly Georgian and Adyghe) at certain points in history and it was documented that a Georgian group joined a Qashqai tribe. So, I wonder if it has anything to with Adgyhe or Lezgian admixture??
I see, I didn't know about the Caucasus people there. So it would seem that instead of Azeri of Lezgin you had Adgyhe and Georgians. Honestly, I don't think it is due to Georgians, as they don't tend to have a lot of step. It is most likely due to Adyghe people then.
I am not sure about Qashaqi, maybe they also carry some steppe ancestry and you inherited it through them.


I think the light complexion honestly just comes from the inbreeding that is disturbingly common in my family lol.
This is the most likely explanation. A rare recessive trait passed on through the generations due to the prevalence of endogamous marriages ))

[Sterling Archer]

Turkmen from Turkmenistan:
Y-DNA:R1b-M269 (most common in Germans)
MtDNT: U5a2b

https://i.imgur.com/hySB98J.png
https://i.imgur.com/6rsqpfo.png

[Leto]

Interesting.


TM-R1b-M269,18.86,10.29,0,0,7.06,12.21,6.57,0,8.43,7.9,28 .68,0

Distance to: TM-R1b-M269
5.58468441 Turkmen_Iran
7.43165527 Turkmen_TM
11.54681774 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.88812632 Turk_Southwest
13.02552110 Turk_Northwest
13.36934927 Turk_South
14.27048703 Iran_Khorasan
14.74594860 Tajik_Mountain
14.85718008 Azerbaijani
15.07355632 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: TM-R1b-M269
Distance: 1.7050% / 1.70497825 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.4 Turkmen_Iran
20.3 Turk_South
7.7 Balkan_Gypsy
6.8 Iraq_Turkmen
4.1 Dolgan
1.8 Parsi_India
0.9 Pulliyar

Target: TM-R1b-M269
Distance: 3.1785% / 3.17847498 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.6 Turkmen_Iran
20.1 Turk_South
9.3 Balkan_Gypsy

Though I usually discard distances that are higher than 3.0 on Vahaduo.

[Kyp]

Finally got my Grandmother's Ancestry results. I thought she would be mostly of Qashqai descent. She always said her mother's family came from a town in Almarvdasht near Hormozgan (an area with many afro-iranians and bandari) but I didn't believe her because she has Alzheimer's and my Aunt said that her grandmother came from Marvdasht in northern Fars (also her mother was naturally blonde with blue eyes). But, considering the high African and Southwest Asian my Grandmother was correct seems like she had an Iranian Arab/Iraqi ancestor because she has MANY Arabian matches. I think it would come from one of the Arab tribes in the Qashqai. Also VERY high Northern European I guess this is where my aunt and I get our higher Northern European from. I wonder what exactly is the reason why all our results get such a high Northern European ??

Gedrosia 26.61 Pct
Siberian 1.47 Pct
Northwest_African 1.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.75 Pct
North_European 9.56 Pct
South_Asian 4.56 Pct
East_African 0.77 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.65 Pct
East_Asian 0.3 Pct
Caucasus 36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.83 Pct

1 92.2% Iranians (Behar) + 7.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 5.02


Target: MAMAN
Distance: 1.9348% / 1.93483480 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.7 Iran_Mazandaran
25.9 Lezgin
18.5 Iranian_Fars
9.7 Kuwait2
1.7 Mandenka
1.5 Kuwait1


Target: MAMAN
Distance: 4.0693% / 4.06929237 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.2 Iranian_Fars
19.4 Kurd_Sorani
16.4 Lezgin

Target: MAMAN
Distance: 4.5005% / 4.50046582 | ADC: 1x RC
77.8 Iranian_Fars
22.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

I wouldn't say anything in her results (other than maybe the SSA) are indicative of Arab ancestry. Her North-Euro also seems normal for what I would assume Qashqais to have.

Do you know her tribe? It shouldn't be too hard to find out to what branch of Qashqai she belongs.

[Kyp]

Kurd from Mossul, Iraq:

Gedrosian: 25.17
Siberian: 0.43
Northwest_African: 1.18
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.42
North_European: 6.55
South_Asian: 4.08
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 18.09
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 35.08
Sub_Saharan: 0.00


Distance to: Kurd_Mossul
4.88321615 Kurd_Sorani
5.87174591 Iraq_Turkmen
5.92649137 Yazidi
6.64034638 Iranian_Fars
6.69661855 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.08206185 Iran_Central
7.35125159 Lur_Iran
7.49105467 Kurd_Adygea
8.41222325 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.66668910 Zaza
8.94529485 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.41823763 Iran_C_East
9.61226300 Azerbaijani
9.62953789 Iranian
9.78931050 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.25243386 Iran_Arab
10.44244703 Turk_Southeast
11.07624485 Iran_Khorasan
11.07686779 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.02069050 Mandean
12.87331737 Iraqi_Arab
12.92098293 Iranian_Jew
13.68197354 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.69980292 Iran_Mazandaran
13.93834997 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Kurd_Mossul
Distance: 2.9488% / 2.94875472 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.0 Kurd_Sorani
26.2 Iran_C_East
20.1 Iraqi_Arab
2.7 Spanish_Basque


Turkmen from Asghabat, Turkmenistan:

Gedrosian: 28.17
Siberian: 4.84
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.34
Atlantic_Med: 1.72
North_European: 9.30
South_Asian: 6.32
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 7.65
East_Asian: 6.67
Caucasian: 33.95
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Turkmen_Asgabat
7.57811322 Iran_Khorasan
8.93793600 Turkmen_TM
10.14394401 Iran_C_East
10.60434816 Iran_Central
10.76734879 Iranian_Fars
11.94817141 Iranian
12.38073503 Iran_Mazandaran
12.69355348 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.73784911 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.10158769 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.24134057 Turkmen_Iran
13.34222620 Azerbaijani
13.52297674 Lur_Iran
13.63484140 Yazidi
14.12526460 Tajik_Herat
14.13497435 Kurd_Adygea
14.14362047 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.42416375 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.63958333 Kurd_Sorani
15.07347007 Parsi_India
15.28547023 Iraq_Turkmen
15.52254167 Zaza
16.06304766 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
16.19052192 Lezgin
16.43565332 Iran_Bandari

Target: Turkmen_Asgabat
Distance: 1.4316% / 1.43155851 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.2 Iran_Mazandaran
16.1 Turkmen_TM
15.7 Uyghur
13.5 Georgian_Svan
7.5 Burusho


Turkmen from Asghabat, Turkmenistan:

Gedrosian: 22.48
Siberian: 7.72
Northwest_African: 0.90
Southeast_Asian: 1.48
Atlantic_Med: 4.15
North_European: 13.05
South_Asian: 6.62
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 8.01
East_Asian: 7.12
Caucasian: 28.11
Sub_Saharan: 0.39

Distance to: Turkmen_Asgabat2
3.38774261 Turkmen_TM
5.42831466 Turkmen_Iran
11.10068016 Iran_Khorasan
11.58373429 Tajik_Mountain
12.44223453 Tajik_Herat
12.81323925 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.83170293 Tajik_Lowland
14.64329539 Iran_C_East
14.89952684 Azerbaijani
15.26372497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.39184200 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.43469144 Iranian_Fars
15.60560476 Iran_Central
15.63672280 Yagnobi
15.65407295 Turk_South
15.99323920 Turk_Southwest
16.21479880 Azerbaijani_Turkey
16.26945912 Turk_Northwest
16.54761614 Turk_Southeast
17.17526419 Kumyk
17.48040045 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
17.54259958 Turk_Central_West
17.64279740 Lezgin
17.90771342 Parsi_India
17.94125692 Turk_West_BlackSea

Target: Turkmen_Asgabat2
Distance: 1.1839% / 1.18392439 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.3 Turkmen_TM
17.6 Nogai
12.0 Tajik_Lowland
10.4 Parsi_India
5.1 Kuwait1
0.6 Yemenite_mixed


Seyyed (Persian) from Isfahan, Iran:

Gedrosian: 23.88
Siberian: 1.94
Northwest_African: 0.73
Southeast_Asian: 1.29
Atlantic_Med: 5.89
North_European: 8.85
South_Asian: 5.47
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.52
East_Asian: 1.66
Caucasian: 36.47
Sub_Saharan: 0.29

Distance to: Seyyed_Isfahan
4.01533311 Iran_Central
5.16692365 Iranian_Fars
5.24959046 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.27295932 Kurd_Sorani
5.71692225 Yazidi
5.77104843 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.91153956 Iraq_Turkmen
6.16260497 Azerbaijani
6.40440473 Kurd_Adygea
6.67185881 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.23038035 Lur_Iran
7.36936225 Iranian
7.42870110 Zaza
7.43107664 Iran_Khorasan
7.55104629 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.59638730 Iran_C_East
8.85154224 Turk_Southeast
9.01306274 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.19340877 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.44827061 Iran_Mazandaran
11.84787323 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.15996711 Turk_South
12.25622699 Turk_Central_East
12.84936574 Turk_East
13.45001487 Iran_Arab

Target: Seyyed_Isfahan
Distance: 2.1030% / 2.10299046 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.3 Iran_Central
23.0 Iraq_Turkmen
13.5 Azerbaijani
9.2 Turkmen_Iran


From Tebriz, Iran:

Gedrosian: 23.68
Siberian: 4.48
Northwest_African: 1.36
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.63
North_European: 7.58
South_Asian: 2.13
East_African 0.53
Southwest_Asian: 13.83
East_Asian: 1.98
Caucasian: 36.60
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azeri_Tebriz
4.05542846 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
4.16085328 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.85929007 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.94213517 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.18248975 Azerbaijani
5.25222810 Yazidi
5.47855820 Iraq_Turkmen
5.74451042 Kurd_Sorani
6.01580419 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.02132045 Kurd_Adygea
6.35856902 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.61238232 Iran_Central
6.70946347 Zaza
7.05200681 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.06241460 Turk_Southeast
7.34498468 Iranian_Fars
7.40076347 Lur_Iran
7.80876431 Iranian
8.30615434 Azerbaijani_North
9.54906278 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.84056909 Iran_Khorasan
10.07498883 Iran_C_East
10.27135337 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.30272294 Turk_South
10.53870011 Turk_Central_East


Target: Azeri_Tebriz
Distance: 1.2619% / 1.26191883 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.9 Yazidi
17.3 Iraq_Turkmen
13.8 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
3.7 Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.3 Dolgan

[Leto]

Kyp has come back with some cool stuff :D

[Saba]

I wouldn't say anything in her results (other than maybe the SSA) are indicative of Arab ancestry. Her North-Euro also seems normal for what I would assume Qashqais to have.

Do you know her tribe? It shouldn't be too hard to find out to what branch of Qashqai she belongs.

The amount of pure Arab matches she gets on AncestryDNA, Gedmatch, and FamilyTreeDNA is very damning. Also on some of the Gedmatch calculators and AncestryDNA, she gets Arab. I am not really sure what the average Qashqai results would even look like but it seems consistent with the Steppe ancestry.

I do not know what tribe I come from it has taken me forever to even come close I have been researching all these Farsi resources. I have gotten some results on that but the tribes are SOOOOO confusing because the structure is confusing and some tribes have moved to other tribes.So, I'm thinking it's either Kashkouli, Darehsouri, or a Khamseh tribe ( the Khamseh tribe would make sense with the Arab heritage ). It's just a nightmare trying to understand it with the little info I have gotten from my family because the last person actively living in a tribe was my Great-Great Grandparents.

[Kyp]

From Maku (Iranian Azerbaijani):

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Latif_Mohammadzadeh2/publication/344360701/figure/fig1/AS:939159363538944@1600924449247/A-general-map-of-Iran-illustrating-the-location-of-the-study-area-Source.png

Gedrosian: 23.23
Siberian: 2.29
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.09
North_European: 8.92
South_Asian: 3.59
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.63
East_Asian: 3.07
Caucasian: 36.71
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Shabnam
3.27325526 Azerbaijani
3.27391203 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.31323105 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
3.95421294 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.71468981 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.77659921 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
4.92579943 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.02696728 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.56506065 Yazidi
6.05649238 Turk_Southeast
6.18276637 Kurd_Sorani
6.28078021 Iran_Central
6.34976378 Kurd_Adygea
6.35636689 Iraq_Turkmen
6.53261816 Zaza
6.97541397 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.12321557 Azerbaijani_North
7.59294409 Iranian_Fars
8.06181121 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.38224910 Lur_Iran
8.47964622 Iranian
8.64015046 Iran_Khorasan
9.38553142 Turk_Central_East
9.39307724 Turk_South
9.58525952 Iran_C_East

Target: Maku_Azerbaijani
Distance: 1.0026% / 1.00256684 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.0 Azerbaijani
24.3 Kurd_Kurmanji
21.9 Iran_Khorasan
1.3 Spanish_Basque
0.5 Iran_C_East

[Leto]

A Yörük Turk from Reddit. He looks white to me and says many Yörüks are like him
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/lho0kg/turkish_nomady%C3%B6r%C3%BCk_results/

E-V13
A4

Gedrosia 14.91
Siberian 7.55
Northwest_African 0.36
Southeast_Asian 0.9
Atlantic_Med 11.62
North_European 12.5
South_Asian 0.54
East_African 0.15
Southwest_Asian 10.62
East_Asian 7.62
Caucasus 33.24
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Yörük_Reddit
4.08263395 Turk_Southwest
4.71776430 Turk_Northwest
6.14953657 Turk_South
6.62435657 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.93743468 Turk_Central_West
7.73561892 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.45112163 Turk_Central_East
10.02904781 Turk_Southeast
11.29640208 Azerbaijani
11.95830674 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Yörük_Reddit
Distance: 1.6000% / 1.59995417 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.9 Turk_Southwest
28.3 Turk_South
5.3 Turkmen_Iran
4.5 Altaian_Chelkan
4.4 Nogai
2.1 Kuwait2
1.5 Kyrgyz_Pamir

Target: Yörük_Reddit
Distance: 2.2926% / 2.29255838 | ADC: 0.5x RC
82.5 Turk_Southwest
11.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
6.5 Turkmen_Iran

[Sterling Archer]

A Yörük Turk from Reddit. He looks white to me and says many Yörüks are like him

This does not surprise me. I know two guys from western part of Azerbaijan (republic). Both are from Ayrum zone.
One from Qazakh and the other one from Gadabay, where people score the highest amount of the East Asian ancestry in Azerbaijan.

Both guys are blond and blue eyed.

PS. Not saying you need to be blond or blue eyed to be white )) Just that they look similar to this guy here.

[Leto]

This does not surprise me. I know two guys from western part of Azerbaijan (republic). Both are from Ayrum zone.
One from Qazakh and the other one from Gadabay, where people score the highest amount of the East Asian ancestry in Azerbaijan.

Both guys are blond and blue eyed.

PS. Not saying you need to be blond or blue eyed to be white )) Just that they look similar to this guy here.
I don't know man, but as far as I know light Azerbaijanis are pretty rare. I don't mean vaguely light-skinned but like that Turkish guy. North Caucasians, Western Turks and Georgians are lighter on average but even they are darker than an average Eastern European.
I'd like to see those guys to be honest.

[Kyp]

This does not surprise me. I know two guys from western part of Azerbaijan (republic). Both are from Ayrum zone.
One from Qazakh and the other one from Gadabay, where people score the highest amount of the East Asian ancestry in Azerbaijan.

Both guys are blond and blue eyed.

PS. Not saying you need to be blond or blue eyed to be white )) Just that they look similar to this guy here.

Most people from Qazax, Aghstafa etc. are not blond. Their stereotypical look is dark, short/stocky and roundfaced from what I have seen. Blueeyed persons I more associate with citys like Khachmaz but it's rare even there of course.

Also Yörüks being lighter than other Turks is also a myth. They look the same as other Turks from West and South Anatolia, they also dön't differ genetically from them.

[Sterling Archer]

Most people from Qazax, Aghstafa etc. are not blond. Their stereotypical look is dark, short/stocky and roundfaced from what I have seen. Blueeyed persons I more associate with citys like Khachmaz but it's rare even there of course.

I did not say most people, just that I know some who would certainly score high EA, while being blond.

[Sterling Archer]

I don't know man, but as far as I know light Azerbaijanis are pretty rare. I don't mean vaguely light-skinned but like that Turkish guy. North Caucasians, Western Turks and Georgians are lighter on average but even they are darker than an average Eastern European.
I'd like to see those guys to be honest.

It is more common in certain areas than you think. For example norther part of the republic. For example, my dad is from Quba, Azerbaijan, and he has blond hair + green eyes.

The issue is that Azerbaijanis are much more heterogenous than those populations you named. There are plenty of people with light complexions, but it tends regional. Like in the North Azerbaijan, Derbent, but also sometimes can be found in Armenian and North Western Azeris.
I won't share pictures of my personal friends, but I can give you the following examples off the top of my head on the spot:

Erkin Gadirli (MP in parlament):
https://meclis.gov.az/news-dep.php?id=664&lang=en&cat=VI

Anadr Kreimov (Minster of Culture)This guy is from Agdam
https://atatv.az/uploads/posts/2021-01/1611935250_lv5a0401.jpg

This guy is Azerbaijani from Zagatala:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=640633212689953&set=t.100002298416611&type=3

[Sterling Archer]

Blueeyed persons I more associate with citys like Khachmaz but it's rare even there of course.
.
In the whole Caucasus the most common look is dark eyes + dark hair. This is without exception. Some regions can have slightly lighter complexion than others, but overall the dominant look will be brown eyes and brown hair.
Of course, in general, Caucasus people will still be of lighter build than people of Iran and Middle East.

Dunno about Yoruks, but the people I mentioned are real, but by no means the common look.

[Sterling Archer]

This one is from Gazakh (my buddy looks like him):

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=227319105075351&set=picfp.100033917897008

[Altaylı]

Yoruks can be light this is normal.
but Kazakhs are Turkic + Mongolic so light Kazakhs are rare in my opinion.

[Leto]

@Sterling Archer
Interesting examples, very light. I wonder how much North European those people would score.

[Kyp]

Ethnic Turk from Bitlis (Eastern Turkey):

Gedrosian: 18.92
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 1.96
Southeast_Asian: 2.01
Atlantic_Med: 8.65
North_European: 6.50
South_Asian: 2.96
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.44
East_Asian: 2.23
Caucasian: 43.76
Sub_Saharan: 0.57

Distance to: Turk_Bitlis
4.52551655 Turk_East
5.40775369 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.93218341 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.23202214 Zaza
6.68964125 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.24229245 Azerbaijani
7.41748610 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.73046570 Turk_Southeast
7.73733804 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.11157198 Iraq_Turkmen
8.14233996 Armenian_East
8.22970838 Kurd_Adygea
8.23604274 Turk_Central_East
8.78803732 Kurd_Sorani
9.09915930 Azeri_Jew
9.29487493 Yazidi
9.42980912 Armenian_West
9.58265621 Assyrian_North
9.77022006 Assyrian_South
9.95583748 Assyrian_West
10.33389085 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.67330314 Iranian_Jew
10.72217795 Turk_South
10.78473922 Turk_Ahiska
10.80192575 Mandean

Target: Turk_Bitlis
Distance: 1.4110% / 1.41095063 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
19.8 Azeri_Jew
4.2 Garo
1.6 Algerian
1.4 BONDA
1.2 Turk_East

[Sterling Archer]

@Sterling Archer
Interesting examples, very light. I wonder how much North European those people would score.

No idea. I am not sure it is always related.
One thing we can be sure is that Zagatala guy will probably score 16-20, as Azeris from there score high.

Others will score probably less. Agdam and Gazakh are not exactly known for high NE score. Then again neither is Gerogia, but there also, occasionally, you will see lighter build.

Other examples:
Famous composer Fikrat Amirov(from Ganja) and his mother Durdana:
https://imgur.com/Hvd3RSg

Poet Rasul Rza:
https://imgur.com/hd8gCQw

Also, the look is rather more common among Derbent region Azerbaijanis (Terekemes).

Edit: I can't believe I forgot to add the big guy and his family ;):

Heydar Aliyev (ex president):
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%B9 %D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B7% D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BB%D1%8B#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Heydar_Aliyev_(crop).jpg

Rafiga Aliyeva (Heydar's sister and the current president's aunt):
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0,_%D0%A0%D0%B0 %D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%80% D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BA%D1%8B%D0%B7%D1%8B#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A0%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8% D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0.j pg

[Edgü]

Yoruks can be light this is normal.
but Kazakhs are Turkic + heavily Mongolic so light Kazakhs are rare in my opinion.

Genetik olarak Kazakların heavily Mongol admixed olduğu çürütüldü niye devam ettiriyorsunuz şunu

Taş çatlasın en kötü sonucuyla adamın yani Kazağın Türkic genetik mirası %30 civarında olur buda Türkiye de veya Balkanlarda bulabileceğin Kıpçak etkisinde olmayan olabildiğince az karışmış Oğuzlara eşittir Türkic genetik mirası %80 civarında olan Kazaklardan bahsetmiyorum bile yayınlamadı mı Kaspias şöyle tablolar ? Boşuna mı yayınladı adam şimdi ?


Turk_Medieval: Gokturk DA89, Karluk, Kimak, Kipchak DA23, Kirgiz DA86.
Mongol_Medieval: I13176 and all other LM samples.

https://i.ibb.co/4t1MSg7/kazaklar.png

https://i.ibb.co/74CMLK8/pca2.png

Hiç mi okumuyorsunuz bakmıyorsunuz ?

[Altaylı]

Genetik olarak Kazakların heavily Mongol admixed olduğu çürütüldü niye devam ettiriyorsunuz şunu

Taş çatlasın en kötü sonucuyla adamın yani Kazağın Türkic genetik mirası %30 civarında olur buda Türkiye de veya Balkanlarda bulabileceğin Kıpçak etkisinde olmayan olabildiğince az karışmış Oğuzlara eşittir Türkic genetik mirası %80 civarında olan Kazaklardan bahsetmiyorum bile yayınlamadı mı Kaspias şöyle tablolar ? Boşuna mı yayınladı adam şimdi ?

https://i.ibb.co/4t1MSg7/kazaklar.png

https://i.ibb.co/74CMLK8/pca2.png

Hiç mi okumuyorsunuz bakmıyorsunuz ?

Diğer Orta asya Türklerine göre gene çok. bazıları 60`ı görmüş. Anadolu Türkleri bile bazılarından çok türki skorluyor

[Kaspias]

Turkmen from Asghabat, Turkmenistan:

Gedrosian: 28.17
Siberian: 4.84
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.34
Atlantic_Med: 1.72
North_European: 9.30
South_Asian: 6.32
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 7.65
East_Asian: 6.67
Caucasian: 33.95
Sub_Saharan: 0.00




Turkmen from Deliorman, Bulgaristan :D


Gedrosia 12.11 Pct
Siberian 4.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.92 Pct
North_European 23.23 Pct
South_Asian 3.3 Pct
East_African 0.27 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.53 Pct
East_Asian 6.88 Pct
Caucasus 24.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: İsmail
8.46480360 Turk_Trakya
9.91751985 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.98091178 Turk_Deliorman
12.99131248 Turk_Makedonya
13.75804855 Turk_Northwest
14.77649146 MD_Gagauz
14.81379762 Bulgarian_Thrace
15.45300618 Bulgarian_East
15.83114020 Greek_Macedonia
15.84100060 Pomak_Greece

Distance to: İsmail
2.23056115 60.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 39.40% Uzbek
2.33289011 58.40% MD_Gagauz + 41.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.36926634 56.60% Greek_Macedonia + 43.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.41194050 57.20% Bulgarian_East + 42.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.42193091 51.40% Romanian + 48.60% Turkmen_Iran
2.45006883 48.80% Montenegrin + 51.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.53061276 50.80% Macedonian + 49.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.56837474 54.80% Bulgarian_Central + 45.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.63136424 54.60% Pomak_Bulgaria + 45.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.67067356 52.80% MD_South + 47.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.77620989 52.40% Bulgarian_West + 47.60% Turkmen_Iran
2.86187387 54.00% Bulgarian_West + 46.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.87936067 56.60% Pomak_Greece + 43.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.02870855 53.20% Bulgarian_Central + 46.80% Turkmen_Iran
3.06969487 53.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 47.00% Turkmen_Iran
3.12968530 54.40% MD_South + 45.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.15412859 52.40% Macedonian + 47.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.16094253 58.00% Greek_Thessaloniki + 42.00% Uzbek
3.19470869 59.60% Bulgarian_East + 40.40% Uzbek
3.21060583 63.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.20% Uzbeki
3.22315058 59.00% Greek_Macedonia + 41.00% Uzbek
3.23249731 46.40% Serb + 53.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.34148914 58.20% Greek_Thrace + 41.80% Uzbek
3.43427903 60.80% MD_Gagauz + 39.20% Uzbek
3.45393397 53.00% Romanian + 47.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan

[Altaylı]

Tamam belki heavily abartı oldu

[Kyp]

Irani from India (More recent migrants from Yazd/Kerman, not to be confused with Parsis)


Gedrosian: 28.62
Siberian: 0.51
Northwest_African: 1.36
Southeast_Asian: 0.69
Atlantic_Med: 6.42
North_European: 11.05
South_Asian: 7.75
East_African: 0.16
Southwest_Asian: 11.21
East_Asian: 0.67
Caucasian: 30.73
Sub_Saharan: 0.57

Distance to: Irani_India
3.71327349 Iran_Khorasan
4.12860751 Iran_C_East
7.37139064 Iranian_Fars
7.71039558 Iran_Central
11.14927352 Parsi_India
11.25781950 Yazidi
11.89697441 Iranian
11.90517955 Tajik_Herat
12.01908482 Kurd_Sorani
12.26551670 Lur_Iran
12.38749773 Iran_Bandari
12.57217165 Turkmen_TM
12.59160435 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.66862660 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.67136536 Kurd_Adygea
12.75419931 Iran_Mazandaran
13.03258992 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.09621319 Azerbaijani
13.21445421 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.48902517 Iraq_Turkmen
14.44246170 Zaza
14.71251168 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.65543037 Turk_Southeast
16.01631044 Yagnobi
16.05658743 Lezgin

Target: Irani_India
Distance: 1.8702% / 1.87017308 | ADC: 0.5x RC
79.1 Iran_C_East
15.2 Yagnobi
5.7 Balkan_Gypsy


From Urmia (Iran), Azerbaijani speaking. Interestingly he is closer to Kurds than to other Azerbaijanis but I don't know his complete genealogy of course.

Gedrosian: 25.00
Siberian: 2.87
Northwest_African: 0.58
Southeast_Asian: 1.07
Atlantic_Med: 7.33
North_European: 6.92
South_Asian: 2.74
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.41
East_Asian: 0.25
Caucasian: 38.80
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Urmia
2.67566814 Kurd_Kurmanji
2.93069958 Yazidi
3.15696056 Kurd_Adygea
3.53328459 Kurd_Sorani
4.30532229 Zaza
4.55893628 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.64810714 Iraq_Turkmen
4.70242491 Lur_Iran
4.82780488 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.85666552 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.15089313 Iranian
5.20091338 Iran_Central
6.52170990 Azerbaijani
6.65626772 Iranian_Fars
6.82975841 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
7.09339834 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.13041204 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.59524869 Azerbaijani_North
8.72542263 Turk_Southeast
9.51815633 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.67628544 Iran_C_East
9.80607465 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.16967059 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.59201114 Iran_Khorasan
10.67983614 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Urmia
Distance: 1.2561% / 1.25614082 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
31.3 Kurd_Sorani
24.5 Iranian
2.0 Dolgan

[Sterling Archer]

From Urmia (Iran), Azerbaijani speaking. Interestingly he is closer to Kurds than to other Azerbaijanis but I don't know his complete genealogy of course.


Wiki says that according to the Federal Research Division of Library of Congress, ethnic Azeris form around 40% of the population of Urmia region. The rest are Kurds.
Probably this person is Kurd who just ended up speaking Azerbaijani due to proximity. Kurds aside, he is even closer to Iraqi Turkmens than to Azerbaijanis.

[Kyp]

Wiki says that according to the Federal Research Division of Library of Congress, ethnic Azeris form around 40% of the population of Urmia region. The rest are Kurds.
Probably this person is Kurd who just ended up speaking Azerbaijani due to proximity. Kurds aside, he is even closer to Iraqi Turkmens than to Azerbaijanis.

Yes Urmia is and always was a very mixed city. I dont know the ancestry of the guy. All I know is that his family is originally from Urmia and he can speak Azerbaijani.

[RatCat]

I might have found a guy who has the same admixure as me, but I'm not sure. (Half Circassian/Adyghe + Half Trabzon Turk??)

Population
Gedrosia 17.4 Pct
Siberian 0.88 Pct
Northwest_African 0.74 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.67 Pct
North_European 11.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.67 Pct
Caucasus 50.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Halis
Distance: 0.7595% / 0.75948237 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.0 Turk_Ahiska
25.9 Circassian
9.1 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.0 Greek_Fournoi


Target: Halis
Distance: 0.8949% / 0.89488788 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.8 Turk_Ahiska
22.6 Circassian
8.6 Greek_Izmir

His 2 population result. I will post mine as well for comparison.

Target: Halis
Distance: 1.4961% / 1.49609874 | R2P
51.3 Turk_East_Black_Sea
48.7 Adyghe

Target: Halis
Distance: 1.4457% / 1.44571469 | R2P
60.2 Hemshin
39.8 Kumyk

And my 2 population results

Target: RatCat
Distance: 2.7628% / 2.76278510 | R2P
50.1 Greek_Pontus
49.9 Adyghe

Target: RatCat
Distance: 2.8672% / 2.86717559 | R2P
59.5 Hemshin
40.5 Abazin

[Fedora]

A Yörük Turk from Reddit. He looks white to me and says many Yörüks are like him
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/lho0kg/turkish_nomady%C3%B6r%C3%BCk_results/

E-V13
A4

Gedrosia 14.91
Siberian 7.55
Northwest_African 0.36
Southeast_Asian 0.9
Atlantic_Med 11.62
North_European 12.5
South_Asian 0.54
East_African 0.15
Southwest_Asian 10.62
East_Asian 7.62
Caucasus 33.24
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Yörük_Reddit
4.08263395 Turk_Southwest
4.71776430 Turk_Northwest
6.14953657 Turk_South
6.62435657 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.93743468 Turk_Central_West
7.73561892 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.45112163 Turk_Central_East
10.02904781 Turk_Southeast
11.29640208 Azerbaijani
11.95830674 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Yörük_Reddit
Distance: 1.6000% / 1.59995417 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.9 Turk_Southwest
28.3 Turk_South
5.3 Turkmen_Iran
4.5 Altaian_Chelkan
4.4 Nogai
2.1 Kuwait2
1.5 Kyrgyz_Pamir

Target: Yörük_Reddit
Distance: 2.2926% / 2.29255838 | ADC: 0.5x RC
82.5 Turk_Southwest
11.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
6.5 Turkmen_Iran
Well, they can have phenotypes such as this...the more native central anatolians turn out more armenoid/anatolid looking...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4cFbDvldYg&t=199s

[Leto]

Well, they can have phenotypes such as this...the more native central anatolians turn out more armenoid/anatolid looking...
[video=youtube;L4cFbDvldYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4cFbDvldYg&t=199s
Are you sure that's not some imported, Islamicized European girl? :D Looks neither West nor Central Asia to me. The little girl in the tent (shown only briefly) seems swarthy though.

[Kyp]

50% Khorasan Turk, 50% Iranian Turkmen:

Gedrosian: 27.38
Siberian: 9.82
Northwest_African: 0.45
Southeast_Asian: 0.80
Atlantic_Med: 2.30
North_European: 13.23
South_Asian: 4.71
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 6.51
East_Asian: 7.32
Caucasian: 27.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: IR_Turkmen_KhTurk
4.71543211 Turkmen_TM
7.99231506 Turkmen_Iran
10.34984058 Tajik_Mountain
11.35024669 Tajik_Lowland
11.81158330 Tajik_Herat
12.51890570 Iran_Khorasan
13.93283173 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.33129443 Yagnobi
15.57776621 Iran_C_East
17.06838012 Iranian_Fars
17.16210943 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
17.29237982 Iran_Central
17.38655227 Lezgin
18.13415010 Azerbaijani
18.18847712 Azerbaijani_Iran
18.83554087 Pamiri_Shughnan
18.83872873 Iran_Bandari
18.89346977 Pamiri_Rushan
19.07956498 Kumyk
19.10151303 Pashtun_Kandahar
19.16582897 Tajik_Kabul
19.26012721 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
19.26795007 Tabasaran
19.28261393 Iranian
19.28501491 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: IR_Turkmen_KhTurk
Distance: 2.7013% / 2.70128201 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Turkmen_TM
28.1 Lezgin
14.4 Balochi
7.1 Evenk
1.3 Tajik_Lowland

[Leto]

50% Khorasan Turk, 50% Iranian Turkmen:

Gedrosian: 27.38
Siberian: 9.82
Northwest_African: 0.45
Southeast_Asian: 0.80
Atlantic_Med: 2.30
North_European: 13.23
South_Asian: 4.71
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 6.51
East_Asian: 7.32
Caucasian: 27.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Interesting how the AM to NE ratio is so skewed/disbalanced.

[Altaylı]

50% Khorasan Turk, 50% Iranian Turkmen:

Gedrosian: 27.38
Siberian: 9.82
Northwest_African: 0.45
Southeast_Asian: 0.80
Atlantic_Med: 2.30
North_European: 13.23
South_Asian: 4.71
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 6.51
East_Asian: 7.32
Caucasian: 27.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: IR_Turkmen_KhTurk
4.71543211 Turkmen_TM
7.99231506 Turkmen_Iran
10.34984058 Tajik_Mountain
11.35024669 Tajik_Lowland
11.81158330 Tajik_Herat
12.51890570 Iran_Khorasan
13.93283173 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.33129443 Yagnobi
15.57776621 Iran_C_East
17.06838012 Iranian_Fars
17.16210943 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
17.29237982 Iran_Central
17.38655227 Lezgin
18.13415010 Azerbaijani
18.18847712 Azerbaijani_Iran
18.83554087 Pamiri_Shughnan
18.83872873 Iran_Bandari
18.89346977 Pamiri_Rushan
19.07956498 Kumyk
19.10151303 Pashtun_Kandahar
19.16582897 Tajik_Kabul
19.26012721 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
19.26795007 Tabasaran
19.28261393 Iranian
19.28501491 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: IR_Turkmen_KhTurk
Distance: 2.7013% / 2.70128201 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Turkmen_TM
28.1 Lezgin
14.4 Balochi
7.1 Evenk
1.3 Tajik_Lowland

My ancestor :) hope i can visit Iran Khorasan one day

[Kyp]

Turk from Aksaray:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Aksaray_in_Turkey.svg


Gedrosian: 16.73
Siberian: 2.71
Northwest_African: 0.37
Southeast_Asian: 1.76
Atlantic_Med: 7.98
North_European: 12.97
South_Asian: 1.89
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.82
East_Asian: 6.34
Caucasian: 37.43
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Turk_Aksaray
5.70533960 Turk_South
6.55754527 Azerbaijani
6.62408484 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.72781540 Turk_Southeast
6.95215794 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
7.00398458 Turk_Central_East
7.00434865 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.01119819 Turk_Central_West
7.29403866 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.44255333 Azerbaijani_North
8.00742156 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.06636225 Turk_Southwest
8.23771206 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.65527585 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
9.12955640 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.73937370 Turk_Northwest
11.64359481 Turk_East
11.65710513 Kabardin
11.79329047 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.88450251 Kumyk
11.94691592 Iraq_Turkmen
12.16139383 Zaza
12.20274150 Abazin
12.77735888 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
12.80841130 Udi_Azerbaijan


Target: Turk_Aksaray
Distance: 1.1558% / 1.15575162 | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.4 Azerbaijani
25.5 Kumyk
19.0 Turk_South
15.4 Balkar
7.5 Kuwait2
2.4 Tujia
1.8 Japanese


Yörük:

Gedrosian: 13.71
Siberian: 5.73
Northwest_African: 1.52
Southeast_Asian: 0.43
Atlantic_Med: 14.09
North_European: 14.55
South_Asian: 1.62
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.76
East_Asian: 5.29
Caucasian: 33.31
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Yörük
1.46447943 Turk_Northwest
3.24236025 Turk_Southwest
4.45013483 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.35052754 Turk_Central_West
7.17548605 Turk_South
8.22322321 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
8.84298592 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.56542210 Turk_Central_East
10.80124067 Turk_Southeast
11.52626566 Azerbaijani_Northwest
12.32239019 Azerbaijani
12.94612297 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.53412723 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
13.91388515 Kabardin
14.11747499 Azerbaijani_North
14.17425836 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.33508981 Greek_Crete
14.35708884 Greek_Lemnos
14.61665146 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
14.70332275 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.71178099 Greek_Fournoi
15.12506198 Kumyk
15.26091085 Greek_Izmir
15.35668584 Abazin
15.50054193 Turk_Cyprus

Target: Yörük
Distance: 1.0311% / 1.03107313 | ADC: 0.5x RC
92.7 Turk_Northwest
4.4 Azerbaijani
2.9 Tajik_Lowland

[Altaylı]

Turk from Aksaray:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Aksaray_in_Turkey.svg


Gedrosian: 16.73
Siberian: 2.71
Northwest_African: 0.37
Southeast_Asian: 1.76
Atlantic_Med: 7.98
North_European: 12.97
South_Asian: 1.89
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.82
East_Asian: 6.34
Caucasian: 37.43
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Turk_Aksaray
5.70533960 Turk_South
6.55754527 Azerbaijani
6.62408484 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.72781540 Turk_Southeast
6.95215794 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
7.00398458 Turk_Central_East
7.00434865 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.01119819 Turk_Central_West
7.29403866 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.44255333 Azerbaijani_North
8.00742156 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.06636225 Turk_Southwest
8.23771206 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.65527585 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
9.12955640 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.73937370 Turk_Northwest
11.64359481 Turk_East
11.65710513 Kabardin
11.79329047 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.88450251 Kumyk
11.94691592 Iraq_Turkmen
12.16139383 Zaza
12.20274150 Abazin
12.77735888 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
12.80841130 Udi_Azerbaijan


Target: Turk_Aksaray
Distance: 1.1558% / 1.15575162 | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.4 Azerbaijani
25.5 Kumyk
19.0 Turk_South
15.4 Balkar
7.5 Kuwait2
2.4 Tujia
1.8 Japanese


Yörük:

Gedrosian: 13.71
Siberian: 5.73
Northwest_African: 1.52
Southeast_Asian: 0.43
Atlantic_Med: 14.09
North_European: 14.55
South_Asian: 1.62
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.76
East_Asian: 5.29
Caucasian: 33.31
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Yörük
1.46447943 Turk_Northwest
3.24236025 Turk_Southwest
4.45013483 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.35052754 Turk_Central_West
7.17548605 Turk_South
8.22322321 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
8.84298592 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.56542210 Turk_Central_East
10.80124067 Turk_Southeast
11.52626566 Azerbaijani_Northwest
12.32239019 Azerbaijani
12.94612297 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.53412723 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
13.91388515 Kabardin
14.11747499 Azerbaijani_North
14.17425836 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.33508981 Greek_Crete
14.35708884 Greek_Lemnos
14.61665146 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
14.70332275 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.71178099 Greek_Fournoi
15.12506198 Kumyk
15.26091085 Greek_Izmir
15.35668584 Abazin
15.50054193 Turk_Cyprus

Target: Yörük
Distance: 1.0311% / 1.03107313 | ADC: 0.5x RC
92.7 Turk_Northwest
4.4 Azerbaijani
2.9 Tajik_Lowland

Bu Aksaray örnekleri aksarayın neresinden?

[Kyp]

Bu Aksaray örnekleri aksarayın neresinden?

Yes, Acipinar village

[Nanushka]

My Dodecad K12b results as an Avar but I dont know how to put it to certain targets, I would be pleased if you let me know:

1 Caucasus 35.15
2 Gedrosia 25.18
3 North_European 24.34
4 Atlantic_Med 8.01
5 Siberian 3.22
6 Southwest_Asian 2.98
7 East_Asian 0.72
8 South_Asian 0.4

1 80 % Lezgins (Behar) + 20% French (HGDP) @ 4.56
2 81.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.8% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 4.64
3 81.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.6% British (Dodecad) @ 4.65
4 80.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 19.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 4.71
5 81.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.5% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 4.72
6 81.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.75
7 81.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.77
8 81.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.79
9 80.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 19.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 4.79
10 80.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 19.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 4.81

106162



Do you have any Lezgin Dodecad results or Gedmatch kits? We need to update the average.

maybe you can make an inference according to my results

[Kyp]

My Dodecad K12b results as an Avar but I dont know how to put it to certain targets, I would be pleased if you let me know:

1 Caucasus 35.15
2 Gedrosia 25.18
3 North_European 24.34
4 Atlantic_Med 8.01
5 Siberian 3.22
6 Southwest_Asian 2.98
7 East_Asian 0.72
8 South_Asian 0.4

1 80 % Lezgins (Behar) + 20% French (HGDP) @ 4.56
2 81.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.8% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 4.64
3 81.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.6% British (Dodecad) @ 4.65
4 80.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 19.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 4.71
5 81.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.5% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 4.72
6 81.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.75
7 81.2% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.77
8 81.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 18.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.79
9 80.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 19.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 4.79
10 80.6% Lezgins (Behar) + 19.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 4.81

106162




maybe you can make an inference according to my results

Buusra,25.18,3.22,0,0,8.01,24.34,0.40,0,2.98,0.72, 35.15,0


Distance to: Buusra
4.20122601 Tabasaran
4.42967267 Avar
4.43998874 Kaitag_Dagestan
4.68760067 Lak
4.96918504 Dargin
5.69696410 Lezgin
5.91091363 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.96219839 Kumyk
9.36744362 Chechen
9.90369123 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.74694854 Ingush
12.12634735 Kabardin
12.86600948 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.42052905 Balkar
13.94477321 Abazin
14.27538791 Karachay
14.53164822 Circassian
14.54629850 Yagnobi
15.46254830 Adyghe
16.44947720 Ossetian
17.73093624 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
18.59400441 Iran_Khorasan
18.61629125 Tajik_Lowland
18.74102985 Nogai
18.81690995 Turkmen_TM

Target: Buusra
Distance: 1.4014% / 1.40143447 | ADC: 0.5x RC
59.0 Dargin
22.3 Lezgin
18.7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Distance to: Buusra
1.35880616 93.40% Avar + 6.60% Sardinian
1.35920458 80.20% Dargin + 19.80% Turk_Northwest
1.52558077 90.60% Avar + 9.40% France_Corsica
1.58157212 81.00% Dargin + 19.00% Turk_Southwest

[Leto]

My Dodecad K12b results as an Avar but I dont know how to put it to certain targets, I would be pleased if you let me know:

maybe you can make an inference according to my results
Oh I know you, pretty sure I posted your results in one of the previous volumes of this thread :)
Your Mediterranean is quite high, I wonder why.

[Thracian]

Turkmen from Deliorman, Bulgaristan :D


Gedrosia 12.11 Pct
Siberian 4.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.92 Pct
North_European 23.23 Pct
South_Asian 3.3 Pct
East_African 0.27 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.53 Pct
East_Asian 6.88 Pct
Caucasus 24.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: İsmail
8.46480360 Turk_Trakya
9.91751985 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.98091178 Turk_Deliorman
12.99131248 Turk_Makedonya
13.75804855 Turk_Northwest
14.77649146 MD_Gagauz
14.81379762 Bulgarian_Thrace
15.45300618 Bulgarian_East
15.83114020 Greek_Macedonia
15.84100060 Pomak_Greece

Distance to: İsmail
2.23056115 60.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 39.40% Uzbek
2.33289011 58.40% MD_Gagauz + 41.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.36926634 56.60% Greek_Macedonia + 43.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.41194050 57.20% Bulgarian_East + 42.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.42193091 51.40% Romanian + 48.60% Turkmen_Iran
2.45006883 48.80% Montenegrin + 51.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.53061276 50.80% Macedonian + 49.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.56837474 54.80% Bulgarian_Central + 45.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.63136424 54.60% Pomak_Bulgaria + 45.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.67067356 52.80% MD_South + 47.20% Turkmen_Iran
2.77620989 52.40% Bulgarian_West + 47.60% Turkmen_Iran
2.86187387 54.00% Bulgarian_West + 46.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.87936067 56.60% Pomak_Greece + 43.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.02870855 53.20% Bulgarian_Central + 46.80% Turkmen_Iran
3.06969487 53.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 47.00% Turkmen_Iran
3.12968530 54.40% MD_South + 45.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.15412859 52.40% Macedonian + 47.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.16094253 58.00% Greek_Thessaloniki + 42.00% Uzbek
3.19470869 59.60% Bulgarian_East + 40.40% Uzbek
3.21060583 63.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.20% Uzbeki
3.22315058 59.00% Greek_Macedonia + 41.00% Uzbek
3.23249731 46.40% Serb + 53.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.34148914 58.20% Greek_Thrace + 41.80% Uzbek
3.43427903 60.80% MD_Gagauz + 39.20% Uzbek
3.45393397 53.00% Romanian + 47.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan

This is a pretty solid example to show how mixed Turkmens in Turkmenistan with Persians. Some of them even score less Mongoloid than Turks from Anatolia and Balkans.

[Altaylı]

This is a pretty solid example to show how mixed Turkmens in Turkmenistan with Persians. Some of them even score less Mongoloid than Turks from Anatolia and Balkans.

Interestingly Iranian Turkmens look less mixed than some Turkmenistan Turkmens but some people think Iranian Turkmens are more mixed than Turkmenistani ones i think this is wrong too.

[Thracian]

Interestingly Iranian Turkmens look less mixed than some Turkmenistan Turkmens but some people think Iranian Turkmens are more mixed than Turkmenistani ones i think this is wrong too.

Maybe, they confuse with Turkmens from Iraq.

[Leto]

Just came across this very recent Arabian/Gulf Arab kit

Gedrosia 3.15 Pct
Siberian 0.35 Pct
Northwest_African 6.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.19 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African 9.2 Pct
Southwest_Asian 44.35 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 29.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lamia
6.44124212 Bedouin
6.68622464 Kuwait1
7.61547766 Yemenite_Mahra
9.23897180 Saudi
14.41266457 Kuwait2
16.12710761 Coptic
18.56648594 Yemenite_mixed
21.27516759 Egyptian
23.32935276 Jordanian_Muslim
24.65784865 Palestinian

Target: Lamia
Distance: 1.9894% / 1.98944302
67.7 Yemenite_Mahra
12.1 Ethiopian
10.2 Kuwait2
4.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
2.7 Georgian_Adjara
1.5 Saudi
1.4 Pulliyar

Target: Lamia
Distance: 2.4660% / 2.46597896 | R3P
84.3 Yemenite_Mahra
9.0 Somali
6.7 Georgian_Mingrelian

[RatCat]

Does anybody have any Azov Greek k12b results? They are supposed to be the descendants of Pontic Greeks that have settled in Crimea in 12th century. From what I've seen their Y-DNA results look Caucasus, I wonder how they score.

https://i.hizliresim.com/eQcVQH.png

[Fedora]

Does anybody have any Azov Greek k12b results? They are supposed to be the descendants of Pontic Greeks that have settled in Crimea in 12th century. From what I've seen their Y-DNA results look Caucasus, I wonder how they score.

https://i.hizliresim.com/eQcVQH.png

Greek settled in Crimea atleast 2000 years ago. The Locals might have carried such Y-DNA in Crimea

[Nanushka]

Buusra,25.18,3.22,0,0,8.01,24.34,0.40,0,2.98,0.72, 35.15,0


Distance to: Buusra
4.20122601 Tabasaran
4.42967267 Avar
4.43998874 Kaitag_Dagestan
4.68760067 Lak
4.96918504 Dargin
5.69696410 Lezgin
5.91091363 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.96219839 Kumyk
9.36744362 Chechen
9.90369123 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.74694854 Ingush
12.12634735 Kabardin
12.86600948 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.42052905 Balkar
13.94477321 Abazin
14.27538791 Karachay
14.53164822 Circassian
14.54629850 Yagnobi
15.46254830 Adyghe
16.44947720 Ossetian
17.73093624 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
18.59400441 Iran_Khorasan
18.61629125 Tajik_Lowland
18.74102985 Nogai
18.81690995 Turkmen_TM

Target: Buusra
Distance: 1.4014% / 1.40143447 | ADC: 0.5x RC
59.0 Dargin
22.3 Lezgin
18.7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Distance to: Buusra
1.35880616 93.40% Avar + 6.60% Sardinian
1.35920458 80.20% Dargin + 19.80% Turk_Northwest
1.52558077 90.60% Avar + 9.40% France_Corsica
1.58157212 81.00% Dargin + 19.00% Turk_Southwest

Thank you, seems interesting and very Northern Caucasian along with some Tatar element :)

[Nanushka]

Oh I know you, pretty sure I posted your results in one of the previous volumes of this thread :)
Your Mediterranean is quite high, I wonder why.

yes I noticed that too and combined with Avar component they give the most accurate results, I think :)

in my research it is most probably due to the Avar dissemination in Europe and I have high matches in Catalonia and Basque too. If you remember my Slavic components are high as well, no wonder

[RatCat]

Greek settled in Crimea atleast 2000 years ago. The Locals might have carried such Y-DNA in Crimea

I dont know, on MDLP they can be modelled as Half Pontic Greek

Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 1.0281% / 1.02811791 | R3P
50.6 Greek_Trabzon
41.7 Bulgarian
7.7 Nogai


Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 0.8559% / 0.85586885 | R3P
46.7 Greek_Trabzon
34.1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
19.2 Croat

[Leto]

in my research it is most probably due to the Avar dissemination in Europe and I have high matches in Catalonia and Basque too. If you remember my Slavic components are high as well, no wonder
I don't think the Avars were ever present in Europe or outside the North Caucasus. And that's not really Slavic either. Dagestan is the most European HG part of the Caucasus, I think that's because of the close proximity to the Eurasian Steppe which is just north of the Caspian Sea. On the other hand, the Northwestern Caucasus has a stronger Anatolian/Black Sea affinity but also stronger Turkic influence.

[Leto]

in my research it is most probably due to the Avar dissemination in Europe and I have high matches in Catalonia and Basque too. If you remember my Slavic components are high as well, no wonder
I don't think the Avars were ever present in Europe or outside the North Caucasus. And that's not really Slavic either. Dagestan is the most European HG part of the Caucasus, I think that's because of the close proximity to the Eurasian Steppe which is just north of the Caspian Sea. On the other hand, the Northwestern Caucasus has a stronger Anatolian/Black Sea affinity but also stronger Turkic influence.

https://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Caucasus_Geopolitical_Map.jpg
Kalmykia and Astrakhan were part of the Indo-European/Yamnaya sphere.

[Mejgusu]

I dont know, on MDLP they can be modelled as Half Pontic Greek

Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 1.0281% / 1.02811791 | R3P
50.6 Greek_Trabzon
41.7 Bulgarian
7.7 Nogai


Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 0.8559% / 0.85586885 | R3P
46.7 Greek_Trabzon
34.1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
19.2 Croat

As far i know they speak a Pontic dialect, so there must be a relation between both groups. I don’t think that ancient Greek settlers did successfully left genetic traces there, its more Byzantine/Trebizond heritage. These results perfectly reflect the history of Crimea and Azov Greeks.

[Sterling Archer]

Highly unusual result from North-West Azerbaijan. The person is of Ayrum ancestry.
This man's closest match is Azerbaijanis of Turkey, but even they are rather distant at 5.4.

https://i.imgur.com/nR566pU.png
https://i.imgur.com/QPW4Ngq.png

[Altaylı]

Hidden Azerbaijanis...

I am not sure but i think we are descendants of Aqqoyunlu and Qaraqoyunlu Turkmens like our Azerbaijan Turk and Iranian Turk(Turkmen, Iranian Azerbaijan) brothers
Just we migrated to western central anatolia later.