Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

K13 Coordinates



Romania_Moldavia_average,23.92,27.62,16.56,9.91,16 .68,1.51,0.58,0.43,1.36,0.63,0.46,0.16,0.16
Romania_Moldavia_North,23.82,28.53,15.49,10.61,16. 38,1.41,0.68,0.40,1.25,0.60,0.40,0.22,0.21
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.76,17.58,9.25,16.9 7,1.60,0.48,0.46,1.47,0.65,0.52,0.10,0.12


Moldova_average,22.51,27.80,16.89,10.65,16.33,2.30 ,0.44,0.62,1.19,0.54,0.42,0.10,0.20
Moldova_North,25.89,33.33,14.92,8.89,11.43,1.48,0. 65,0.56,1.47,0.35,0.61,0.17,0.26
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18

Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes,24.50,36.97,13.80,8.11,11 .00,1.03,1.07,0.57,1.66,0.66,0.26,0.12,0.25

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Exist this study about frequency of haplogroups in today Republic compared to Romania (Moldova region). And from southern parts the samples were taken from the same region, village Carahasani, neighboring with Caplani.

In that village exist just one haplogroup who seems to be of Turanic origin, N-P43. Theoretically, similar situation need to be in Caplani too. In the north, in Sofia, one individual have haplogroup Q.

Spoiler!

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0053731.g001https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0053731.t002

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J1 and J2 should also not be counted out, especially since they didn't bother to look properly downstream.

My mom, modelled with:

Moldova_North,25.89,33.33,14.92,8.89,11.43,1.48,0. 65,0.56,1.47,0.35,0.61,0.17,0.26
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18


Romani,12.8,11.93,12.72,16.85,15.39,2.76,23.48,1.7 5,0.64,0.35,0.84,0.35,0.13


Russian:Kargopol_Russian,24.92,48.36,7.52,5.54,1.5 0,0.04,2.49,0.23,6.67,1.70,0.23,0.53,0.26
Russian:Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.8 3,1.69,1.38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Russian:RU_Pinega,24.715,51.9425,5.045,2.815,0.392 5,0.58,1.58,0.2425,9.9575,1.9575,0.265,0.305,0.225


Ukrainian:average,27.77,43.57,12.05,6.12,5.68,0.16 ,1.09,0.91,1.41,0.78,0.28,0.11,0.07
Ukrainian:Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8.78 ,5.54,0.58,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Ukrainian:Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10,5. 29,1.79,1.20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13


Tatar:average,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.6 8,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
Tatar:Turk_Dobruja-Tatar,12.70,25.39,7.77,11.38,5.82,2.15,2.09,10.20, 20.74,0.91,0.52,0,0.33
Tatar:Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55,16.36,8.88,1. 83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0.21
Tatar:Nogay,9.25,13.23,6.43,31.31,10.06,0.46,2.77, 9.16,15.03,1.24,0.51,0.34,0.21


Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.5468% / 5.54679577 | ADC: 0.25x
52.4 Moldova_South
47.6 Ukrainian

Her ancestry is half Moldovan/Romanian from the South and half Ukrainian from the North.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

My mom, modelled with:

Moldova_North,25.89,33.33,14.92,8.89,11.43,1.48,0. 65,0.56,1.47,0.35,0.61,0.17,0.26
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18


Romani,12.8,11.93,12.72,16.85,15.39,2.76,23.48,1.7 5,0.64,0.35,0.84,0.35,0.13


Russian:Kargopol_Russian,24.92,48.36,7.52,5.54,1.5 0,0.04,2.49,0.23,6.67,1.70,0.23,0.53,0.26
Russian:Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.8 3,1.69,1.38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Russian:RU_Pinega,24.715,51.9425,5.045,2.815,0.392 5,0.58,1.58,0.2425,9.9575,1.9575,0.265,0.305,0.225


Ukrainian:average,27.77,43.57,12.05,6.12,5.68,0.16 ,1.09,0.91,1.41,0.78,0.28,0.11,0.07
Ukrainian:Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8.78 ,5.54,0.58,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Ukrainian:Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10,5. 29,1.79,1.20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13


Tatar:average,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.6 8,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
Tatar:Turk_Dobruja-Tatar,12.70,25.39,7.77,11.38,5.82,2.15,2.09,10.20, 20.74,0.91,0.52,0,0.33
Tatar:Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55,16.36,8.88,1. 83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0.21
Tatar:Nogay,9.25,13.23,6.43,31.31,10.06,0.46,2.77, 9.16,15.03,1.24,0.51,0.34,0.21


Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.5468% / 5.54679577 | ADC: 0.25x
52.4 Moldova_South
47.6 Ukrainian

Her ancestry is half Moldovan/Romanian from the South and half Ukrainian from the North.

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My dad, modelled with the same +
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20

Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.5906% / 2.59062940 | ADC: 0.25x
70.0 Moldova_North
19.6 Moldova_Centre
4.6 Ukrainian
4.2 Tatar
1.6 Romani

His ancestry is from the peripheral region between Centre and North (the 2 blue markers in the middle from my avatar).

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

My dad, modelled with the same +
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20

Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.5906% / 2.59062940 | ADC: 0.25x
70.0 Moldova_North
19.6 Moldova_Centre
4.6 Ukrainian
4.2 Tatar
1.6 Romani

His ancestry is from the peripheral region between Centre and North (the 2 blue markers in the middle from my avatar).

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And finally me, with the same model

Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 1.9007% / 1.90068260 | ADC: 0.25x
69.4 Moldova_North
24.0 Moldova_South
6.6 Tatar

My ancestry from the South is represented accurately, there is some Tatar from somewhere and the Ukrainian 1/4 is absorbed by Moldova_North.

If I remove Moldova_North, then it gets even closer to my paper trail.

Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 3.3115% / 3.31152834 | ADC: 0.25x
38.4 Moldova_Centre
30.6 Moldova_South
25.8 Ukrainian
5.2 Tatar


With Tatar removed

Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 3.7319% / 3.73191902 | ADC: 0.25x
41.4 Moldova_Centre
33.0 Moldova_South
25.6 Ukrainian

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

J1 and J2 should also not be counted out, especially since they didn't bother to look properly downstream.

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J1 and J2 seems to be just simple Balkan markers.

People from Carahasani don't have any cheburek traits, is interesting since they live in a former Tatar territory.

Spoiler!

Edit.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

People from Carahasani don't have any cheburek traits, is interesting since they live in a former Tatar territory.

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Do you mean Mongoloid features? Or swarthyness?
Black-assed/chernozhopy doesn't mean Mongoloid in Russian. I don't know if you use the word in Romanian.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Do you mean Mongoloid features? Or swarthyness?
Black-assed/chernozhopy doesn't mean Mongoloid in Russian. I don't know if you use the word in Romanian.

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Yes, Mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I found a new kit through this one. Close distance and he is most likely from R. Moldova. However, I can't trace the guy exactly, but according to the forename+surname and Facebook, all 4 potential candidates are from R. Moldova.
One was born in Floresti and the rest in Chisinau (2 of them live abroad).
I emailed the guy just in case. Hopefully he'll answer.

North_Atlantic 22.13 Pct
Baltic 23.89 Pct
West_Med 18.68 Pct
West_Asian 16.35 Pct
East_Med 12.57 Pct
Red_Sea 1.83 Pct
South_Asian 1.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.83 Pct
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct

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This person is from Romania, just had it confirmed.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

K13 Coordinates



Romania_Moldavia_average,23.92,27.62,16.56,9.91,16 .68,1.51,0.58,0.43,1.36,0.63,0.46,0.16,0.16
Romania_Moldavia_North,23.82,28.53,15.49,10.61,16. 38,1.41,0.68,0.40,1.25,0.60,0.40,0.22,0.21
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.76,17.58,9.25,16.9 7,1.60,0.48,0.46,1.47,0.65,0.52,0.10,0.12


Moldova_average,22.51,27.80,16.89,10.65,16.33,2.30 ,0.44,0.62,1.19,0.54,0.42,0.10,0.20
Moldova_North,25.89,33.33,14.92,8.89,11.43,1.48,0. 65,0.56,1.47,0.35,0.61,0.17,0.26
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18

Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes,24.50,36.97,13.80,8.11,11 .00,1.03,1.07,0.57,1.66,0.66,0.26,0.12,0.25

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https://i.imgur.com/6wj6mve.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kInic9T.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dušan

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Can you share the spreadsheet? Seems like you merged/modified some from Lukasz's updated sheet.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Can you share the spreadsheet? Seems like you merged/modified some from Lukasz's updated sheet.

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It is original http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
I replaced old Serbian with new Serbian, and added these new Moldavian averages you posted.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dušan

It is original http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
I replaced old Serbian with new Serbian, and added these new Moldavian averages you posted.

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Thanks

My folk

Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
4.01461240	Serbian_new
4.41248229	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.89598815	Moldova_North
4.94718102	Romania_Moldavia_average
5.16774612	Moldova_Centre
5.43127057	Moldova_average
5.83460367	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.87489048	Romanian
8.50426952	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
8.75925796	Croatian
9.18701801	Hungarian
9.54794219	Moldova_South
10.48739720	Bulgarian
13.57386091	Austrian
14.96605492	East_German
15.66258919	Ukrainian_Lviv
16.49787259	South_Polish
17.12165880	Ukrainian
20.16939513	West_German
20.24129195	Greek_Thessaly
20.38253910	Tatar
20.69568554	Polish
20.71534697	Southwest_Russian
20.99025726	Ukrainian_Belgorod
21.88208400	South_Dutch

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Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_mom_MyHeritage
6.40353808	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
8.11056102	Moldova_North
8.90335330	Moldova_Centre
9.17777206	Croatian
9.75350552	Serbian_new
10.48813139	Romania_Moldavia_North
10.81626553	Moldova_average
11.42930882	Romania_Moldavia_average
12.45181513	Romania_Moldavia_South
13.11278003	Ukrainian_Lviv
13.97302043	Ukrainian
14.86197833	Romanian
14.94706326	Moldova_South
15.06039176	Hungarian
15.21391797	South_Polish
15.54292122	Bulgarian
16.06538204	Southwest_Russian
16.18200853	Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.12671233	Polish
18.90034920	Russian_Smolensk
19.39971392	Estonian_Polish
20.20784006	Austrian
20.29402621	East_German
20.46192562	Belorussian
20.53980039	Kargopol_Russian

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Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_dad_MyHeritage
4.11966018	Moldova_North
5.97620866	Serbian_new
6.14468063	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
6.24292399	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.26313819	Moldova_Centre
7.00865893	Croatian
7.43493779	Romania_Moldavia_average
7.48569302	Moldova_average
8.69411870	Romania_Moldavia_South
9.85963488	Hungarian
10.55194769	Romanian
11.92159805	Moldova_South
12.60352332	Bulgarian
13.36573230	Ukrainian_Lviv
14.51251529	South_Polish
14.77720880	Ukrainian
14.80950371	Austrian
15.54933118	East_German
17.93240363	Southwest_Russian
17.95142334	Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.47455277	Polish
19.65805179	Tatar
20.38213924	Russian_Smolensk
21.16155240	Estonian_Polish
21.91872259	Belorussian

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dušan

It is original http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm
I replaced old Serbian with new Serbian, and added these new Moldavian averages you posted.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

Updated K13
Northern profile
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75, 0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.347142857 1,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62,1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0 .18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.50,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36 ,0.01,0.05

Central profile
?

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper




From original K13
Serbian,27.10,27.32,15.84,9.37,15.63,2.50,0.33,0.57,0.75,0.03,0.38 ,0.11,0.06

Serbs from G25
Only 1 out of 5 is similar to Serbian_new. The rest are more like Bosniak_Sandzak and Serb_North-Macedonia.

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02027796	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02129408	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.02130027	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02278499	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02295821	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02417508	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02770653	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02793259	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02879941	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02934333	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03125145	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03130827	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03141187	Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
0.03146108	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03158046	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03299268	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03344439	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03394955	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03416178	Hungarian:NA15201
0.03470400	Hungarian:NA15203
0.03489287	Austrian:Austria1
0.03524893	Slovenian:Slovenian147
0.03576013	French_Alsace:A_27
0.03581322	Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03667700	Moldovan:MOL-069

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
0.02280044	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02492262	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02512585	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02872304	Romanian:A343
0.02903273	Romanian:G408
0.02954824	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02987515	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03039855	Romanian:G429
0.03043868	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.03086683	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03168199	Romanian:G428
0.03187415	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03204965	Romanian:A325
0.03207296	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03218647	Gagauz:GAG-183
0.03249403	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03249718	Romanian:A362
0.03312526	Romanian:G421
0.03320853	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03333950	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03344843	Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
0.03349106	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03357405	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.03357831	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03360420	Moldovan:MOL-067

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3
0.02181894	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02432129	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02668572	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02709882	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02753658	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.02878177	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02897194	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02977428	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.03077489	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03089537	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.03099839	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03100598	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03277593	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03353688	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03404807	Romanian:A362
0.03437355	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03505046	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.03514040	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03529248	Romanian:G408
0.03578042	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03642134	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.03666431	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03675626	Romanian:G429
0.03679978	Romanian:G421
0.03801899	Romanian:A325

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
0.02204153	Romanian:G408
0.02421763	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02514220	Romanian:G428
0.02559354	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02609241	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02614389	Romanian:A362
0.02641319	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.02675189	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02704025	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02723006	Romanian:A343
0.02822860	Moldovan:MOL-058
0.02840923	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02864719	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02898407	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.02923408	Romanian:A374
0.02925050	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02930394	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.02943373	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02962336	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03006994	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03019717	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03043743	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.03052509	Romanian:G434
0.03067318	Romanian:G429
0.03071714	Italian_Northeast:ALP435

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
0.02267243	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02305049	Macedonian:Macedonian7
0.02329683	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02417495	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02935727	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03007896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03130999	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03139709	Romanian:G428
0.03205184	Romanian:A343
0.03311662	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.03350164	Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03352143	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03367780	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03394732	Romanian:G408
0.03451894	Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.03497659	Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03502780	Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03513794	Moldovan:MOL-064
0.03561471	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03577842	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03584877	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03598428	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03646399	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03655745	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03672671	Moldovan:MOL-069

From my point of view, you guys are missing the gradient in Serbs and your new average is basically just Serbia_North.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

Updated K13
Northern profile
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75, 0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.347142857 1,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62,1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0 .18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.50,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36 ,0.01,0.05

Central profile
?

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper




From original K13
Serbian,27.10,27.32,15.84,9.37,15.63,2.50,0.33,0.57,0.75,0.03,0.38 ,0.11,0.06

Serbs from G25
Only 1 out of 5 is similar to Serbian_new. The rest are more like Bosniak_Sandzak and Serb_North-Macedonia.

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02027796	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02129408	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.02130027	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02278499	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02295821	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02417508	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02770653	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02793259	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02879941	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02934333	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03125145	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03130827	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03141187	Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
0.03146108	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03158046	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03299268	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03344439	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03394955	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03416178	Hungarian:NA15201
0.03470400	Hungarian:NA15203
0.03489287	Austrian:Austria1
0.03524893	Slovenian:Slovenian147
0.03576013	French_Alsace:A_27
0.03581322	Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03667700	Moldovan:MOL-069

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
0.02280044	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02492262	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02512585	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02872304	Romanian:A343
0.02903273	Romanian:G408
0.02954824	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02987515	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03039855	Romanian:G429
0.03043868	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.03086683	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03168199	Romanian:G428
0.03187415	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03204965	Romanian:A325
0.03207296	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03218647	Gagauz:GAG-183
0.03249403	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03249718	Romanian:A362
0.03312526	Romanian:G421
0.03320853	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03333950	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03344843	Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
0.03349106	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03357405	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.03357831	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03360420	Moldovan:MOL-067

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3
0.02181894	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02432129	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02668572	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02709882	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02753658	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.02878177	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02897194	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02977428	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.03077489	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03089537	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.03099839	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03100598	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03277593	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03353688	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03404807	Romanian:A362
0.03437355	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03505046	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.03514040	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03529248	Romanian:G408
0.03578042	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03642134	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.03666431	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03675626	Romanian:G429
0.03679978	Romanian:G421
0.03801899	Romanian:A325

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
0.02204153	Romanian:G408
0.02421763	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02514220	Romanian:G428
0.02559354	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02609241	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02614389	Romanian:A362
0.02641319	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.02675189	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02704025	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02723006	Romanian:A343
0.02822860	Moldovan:MOL-058
0.02840923	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02864719	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02898407	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.02923408	Romanian:A374
0.02925050	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02930394	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.02943373	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02962336	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03006994	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03019717	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03043743	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.03052509	Romanian:G434
0.03067318	Romanian:G429
0.03071714	Italian_Northeast:ALP435

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
0.02267243	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02305049	Macedonian:Macedonian7
0.02329683	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02417495	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02935727	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03007896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03130999	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03139709	Romanian:G428
0.03205184	Romanian:A343
0.03311662	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.03350164	Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03352143	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03367780	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03394732	Romanian:G408
0.03451894	Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.03497659	Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03502780	Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03513794	Moldovan:MOL-064
0.03561471	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03577842	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03584877	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03598428	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03646399	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03655745	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03672671	Moldovan:MOL-069

From my point of view, you guys are missing the gradient in Serbs and your new average is basically just Serbia_North.

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The original Eurogenes K13 average is similar to the 'new' Serbian average, the only difference is the different Baltic to North Atlantic ratio. On the other hand Davidski only included the samples from the academic study which he deemed had a suitable amount of SNPs, had he included all of them the G25 average would be different.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

Updated K13
Northern profile
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75, 0.3692857143,0.2928571429,0.8414285714,0.347142857 1,0.3021428571,0.0435714286,0.0978571429
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62,1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0 .18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.50,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36 ,0.01,0.05

Central profile
?

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper




From original K13
Serbian,27.10,27.32,15.84,9.37,15.63,2.50,0.33,0.57,0.75,0.03,0.38 ,0.11,0.06

Serbs from G25
Only 1 out of 5 is similar to Serbian_new. The rest are more like Bosniak_Sandzak and Serb_North-Macedonia.

Spoiler!

Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02027796	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02129408	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.02130027	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02278499	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02295821	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02417508	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02770653	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02793259	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02879941	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02934333	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03125145	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03130827	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03141187	Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
0.03146108	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03158046	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03299268	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03344439	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03394955	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03416178	Hungarian:NA15201
0.03470400	Hungarian:NA15203
0.03489287	Austrian:Austria1
0.03524893	Slovenian:Slovenian147
0.03576013	French_Alsace:A_27
0.03581322	Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03667700	Moldovan:MOL-069

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
0.02280044	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02492262	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02512585	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02872304	Romanian:A343
0.02903273	Romanian:G408
0.02954824	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02987515	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03039855	Romanian:G429
0.03043868	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.03086683	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03168199	Romanian:G428
0.03187415	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03204965	Romanian:A325
0.03207296	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03218647	Gagauz:GAG-183
0.03249403	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03249718	Romanian:A362
0.03312526	Romanian:G421
0.03320853	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03333950	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03344843	Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
0.03349106	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03357405	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.03357831	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03360420	Moldovan:MOL-067

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3
0.02181894	Macedonian:Macedonian3
0.02432129	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.02668572	Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02709882	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02753658	Moldovan:MOL-066
0.02878177	Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02897194	Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02977428	Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.03077489	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03089537	Croatian:Croatia_Cro140
0.03099839	Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03100598	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03277593	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03353688	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03404807	Romanian:A362
0.03437355	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03505046	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.03514040	Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.03529248	Romanian:G408
0.03578042	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03642134	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.03666431	Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03675626	Romanian:G429
0.03679978	Romanian:G421
0.03801899	Romanian:A325

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
0.02204153	Romanian:G408
0.02421763	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02514220	Romanian:G428
0.02559354	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.02609241	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02614389	Romanian:A362
0.02641319	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.02675189	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02704025	Moldovan:MOL-069
0.02723006	Romanian:A343
0.02822860	Moldovan:MOL-058
0.02840923	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02864719	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02898407	Moldovan:MOL-067
0.02923408	Romanian:A374
0.02925050	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02930394	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.02943373	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02962336	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03006994	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.03019717	Macedonian:Macedonian6
0.03043743	Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.03052509	Romanian:G434
0.03067318	Romanian:G429
0.03071714	Italian_Northeast:ALP435

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Distance to:	Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
0.02267243	Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02305049	Macedonian:Macedonian7
0.02329683	Montenegrin:Montenegro1
0.02417495	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02935727	Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03007896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03130999	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03139709	Romanian:G428
0.03205184	Romanian:A343
0.03311662	Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
0.03350164	Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03352143	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03367780	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03394732	Romanian:G408
0.03451894	Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.03497659	Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03502780	Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03513794	Moldovan:MOL-064
0.03561471	Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.03577842	Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.03584877	Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03598428	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03646399	Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.03655745	Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.03672671	Moldovan:MOL-069

From my point of view, you guys are missing the gradient in Serbs and your new average is basically just Serbia_North.

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New Serbian average is good for Serbs from central Serbia, too.
We are pretty homogenous in term of autosomal genetics. No matter if person is from Serbia, Bosnia or Croatia, that person will fit well in new average.

This is my Gedmatch matches, all Serbs from Croatia. Some of them are southern and eastern from old Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/qntHeSe.png

So, regional differences are low.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Southern profile
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0,0.99,0,0.68,0
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86,0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13 ,0.00,0.19
None from Serbia proper



.

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I just want to add - I dont know what is source for that result for Serbs in North Macedonia. Also, there are only 36.000 ethnic Serbs in North Macedonia, it is very tiny community, of cca 0.5% of all Serbs in Balkans.

And for Bosniak Sandzak, they are not Serbs. Their ethnogenesis is mix of ethnic Albanians and islamicized ethnic Serbs. They are different ethnic group and are not relevant for Serbian average.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I just want to add - I dont know what is source for that result for Serbs in North Macedonia. Also, there are only 36.000 ethnic Serbs in North Macedonia, it is very tiny community, of cca 0.5% of all Serbs in Balkans.

And for Bosniak Sandzak, they are not Serbs. Their ethnogenesis is mix of ethnic Albanians and islamicized ethnic Serbs. They are different ethnic group and are not relevant for Serbian average.

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Considering that I saw full Croats from Serbia scoring like 27% Balt and 22% Atlantic, and Croats are way more North-shifted than Serbs on average, I think that you guys should seriously work on a fair profile for Serbia.
That is if you actually want it to be fair.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Considering that I saw full Croats from Serbia scoring like 27% Balt and 22% Atlantic, and Croats are way more North-shifted than Serbs on average, I think that you guys should seriously work on a fair profile for Serbia.
That is if you actually want it to be fair.

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I think there is some misunderstanding between us.
New Serbian average is average for ethnic Serbs, not for Serbia as a country with all ethnic minorities - Hungarians, Roma, Sandzak Bosniaks, Albanians etc.

Our new average is a final average result of several tens of Serb results. It is transparent and fair.

Serbian Baltic average is at 29-30%.

Croatian average is very inncaurate btw. No way Croats are 36% Baltic on average, that's average representative for our capital not entire Croatia.
This is new average I made from 3 academic averages (Croatian, Croat_Bosnia, Croat_Split) plus 2 south Croat averages, Morlach and Slavic cluster and plus Kajkavian/NW_Croat_average)

Croatian_new,27.49,33.14,15.16,7.79,14.31,1.74,0.9 7,0.30,0.51,0.67,0.33,0.09,0.13

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Croatian average is very inncaurate btw. No way Croats are 36% Baltic on average, that's average representative for our capital not entire Croatia.

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Or you just have low Baltic for a Croat due to German Jew ancestry


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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Croatian average is very inncaurate btw. No way Croats are 36% Baltic on average, that's average representative for our capital not entire Croatia.

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Yeah, I mean I have saw Croatians clustering almost with Southern Poles.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Daos777

Or you just have low Baltic for a Croat due to German Jew ancestry

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Why are you repeating Jewish,when I have no Jewish ancestry at all?
And my Baltic isn't low.

It's pretty average.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Samnium

Yeah, I mean I have saw Croatians clustering almost with Southern Poles.

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NW Croats are pretty similar to Czechs and Slovaks genetically.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Serbian_new sample is kind of trash as an average, right?
It looks the same as the most Northwest shifted Serbs (from Croatia and Bosnia).

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Bosnian Serb average is basically the same as southern Croat one, but that isn't suprising because population of BiH and south Croatia is genetically very similar.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dušan

New Serbian average is good for Serbs from central Serbia, too.
We are pretty homogenous in term of autosomal genetics. No matter if person is from Serbia, Bosnia or Croatia, that person will fit well in new average.

This is my Gedmatch matches, all Serbs from Croatia. Some of them are southern and eastern from old Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/qntHeSe.png

So, regional differences are low.

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I think real average Serbian position is little more northern and western, something like Aye's dad position.
https://i.imgur.com/veN6iQl.png

Serbs from Croatia (Krajina) and Bosnia score higher Baltic than Serbs from Serbia from what I have seen.

These are top 19 Serbs by Baltic score from what I know, except recorder with 36.43 who is from Serbia all others are from BiH and Krajina/Croatia. Except Vulićević from Šabac I have never seen Serb from Serbia with over 33% Baltic.

1. Serb from Šabac, Western Serbia (surname Vulićević) - 36.43
2. Serb from Banija - 36.21
3. Serb from Lika - 35.59
4. Serbian woman from Herzegovina - 35.53
5. Dalmatian Serb from Skradin area (surname Grulović) - 35.28
6. Serb mix of Banija and East Bosnia - 35.05
7. Serb from Dubica - 34.97
8. Serb from Banija, from Glina (surname Došen) - 34.93
9. Serb from Banija (surname Čavić) - 34.66
10. Serb from Western Bosnia, from Bosansko Grahovo (surname Koščica) - 34.63
11. Serbian woman from East Bosnia - 34.53
12. Serb from Lika (surname Zubović) - 34.46
13. Serbian woman from Western Bosnia (Kozara) - 34.4
14. Serb from Lika - 34.14
15. Serbian woman from Herzegovina - 34.12
16. Serb from Lika - 34.08
17. Serb from Lika - 33.99
18. Dušan - 33.79
19. Serb from Banija - 33.74

Some regions of Croatia are severely undertested, especially eastern and western Croatia as well as northernmost one.
In Serbia central, eastern and southern Serbia as well as Kosovo are very undertested as well. Even northern Serbia is.

Only people from dinaric regions test a lot, especially Serbs.

Sorry for the offtopic though. This thread is about Moldovans.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Samnium

Yeah, I mean I have saw Croatians clustering almost with Southern Poles.

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That’s why I call BS on k13. On most other calcs I get southern Pole, Slovak, or West Ukrainian. On k13 I get Croatian. Even tho my Baltic is higher than their even inflated average on k13.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Daos777

That’s why I call BS on k13. On most other calcs I get southern Pole, Slovak, or West Ukrainian. On k13 I get Croatian. Even tho my Baltic is higher than their even inflated average on k13.

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It's not inflated, it's representative for Croats of Zagreb who were sampled. K13 updated has Czech and Slovak reference, even Czech_Moravian was made by Andre so you won't get Croatian, don't worry :)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

It's not inflated, it's representative for Croats of Zagreb who were sampled. K13 updated has Czech and Slovak reference, even Czech_Moravian was made by Andre so you won't get Croatian, don't worry :)

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Are the city of Zagreb and the county really full of lighter people? I mean that elevated Baltic should somehow manifest itself in the looks, shouldn't it?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I think real average Serbian position is little more northern and wester, something like Aye's dad position.
https://i.imgur.com/veN6iQl.png

Serbs from Croatia (Krajina) and Bosnia score higher Baltic than Serbs from Serbia from what I have seen.

These are top 19 Serbs by Baltic score from what I know, except recorder with 36.43 who is from Serbia all others are from BiH and Krajina/Croatia. Except Vulićević from Šabac I have never seen Serb from Serbia with over 33% Baltic.

1. Serb from Šabac, Western Serbia (surname Vulićević) - 36.43
2. Serb from Banija - 36.21
3. Serb from Lika - 35.59
4. Serbian woman from Herzegovina - 35.53
5. Dalmatian Serb from Skradin area (surname Grulović) - 35.12
6. Serb mix of Banija and East Bosnia - 35.05
7. Serb from Dubica - 34.97
8. Serb from Banija, from Glina (surname Došen) - 34.93
9. Serb from Banija (surname Čavić) - 34.66
10. Serb from Western Bosnia, from Bosansko Grahovo (surname Koščica) - 34.63
11. Serbian woman from East Bosnia - 34.53
12. Serb from Lika (surname Zubović) - 34.46
13. Serbian woman from Western Bosnia (Kozara) - 34.4
14. Serb from Lika - 34.14
15. Serbian woman from Herzegovina - 34.12
16. Serb from Lika - 34.08
17. Serb from Lika - 33.99
18. Dušan - 33.79
19. Serb from Banija - 33.74

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You are focused on Baltic score, never count all results.

This is average from Serbs from Croatia.
Counted me, Decius, HungryLion, AyeFather, Decius, Krtinić and lot of my matches from Gedmatch. Total 18 samples

Serb_Krajina
North Atlantic 24.48,
Baltic 30.59,
West Med 17.36,
West Asia 8.35,
East Med 15.01,
Red Sea 1.76,
South Asia 0.47,
East Asia 0.16,
Siberian 0.88,
Amerindian 0.44,
Oceanian 0.41,
Notheast African 0.03,
sub-Saharan 0.03

Not different from general Serbian average.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I think there is some misunderstanding between us.
New Serbian average is average for ethnic Serbs, not for Serbia as a country with all ethnic minorities - Hungarians, Roma, Sandzak Bosniaks, Albanians etc.

Our new average is a final average result of several tens of Serb results. It is transparent and fair.

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No, this is what I meant. Bosniaks and Hugarians would pull the average even further North.
I have full Serbians with 4gp, locations and surnames on both 23andme and MyHeritage. Same applies for Croats.
And I can roughly estimate how those Serbs would score, probably in the mid 20s for Atlantic and Baltic. That's why I was saying that the old average is probably better for Serbs from the whole country.

My 4gp Serbs

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/SAsyYhm.png

1)
https://i.imgur.com/PVVtnPq.png
https://i.imgur.com/FYekIZj.png
https://i.imgur.com/gWfFBZq.png

2)
https://i.imgur.com/fkRrvSX.png
https://i.imgur.com/NfEr165.png
https://i.imgur.com/S4ggJb7.png

3)
https://i.imgur.com/FdOBBQy.png
https://i.imgur.com/MECBPDy.png
https://i.imgur.com/nSNmbbm.png

4)
https://i.imgur.com/P4TIPZa.png
https://i.imgur.com/9h8fLeL.png
https://i.imgur.com/8pcplRn.png

My 4gp Croats

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/fo6mV0T.png

1)
https://i.imgur.com/X3PprVN.png
https://i.imgur.com/89rq0kI.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZNCdkRc.png

2)
https://i.imgur.com/aeVcy82.png
https://i.imgur.com/6b8YOFg.png
https://i.imgur.com/f87R9j2.png

3)
https://i.imgur.com/ORLOxp2.png
https://i.imgur.com/M3wn1FC.png
https://i.imgur.com/I1UbLTE.png

Now tell me guys, most of those Serbians from the K15 map, are they more similar to my Serbs or Croats?
I would guess they are like 40%+ East Euro Croats, where East Euro pulls them up and enough NW Euro too, which pulls them to the left.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Are the city of Zagreb and the county really full of lighter people? I mean that elevated Baltic should somehow manifest itself in the looks, shouldn't it?

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Zagreb is very mixed (Croats from all regions), but yes you can find lot of let's say German or Polish looking people there.
Real natives of the city who are a minority can be mixed with Germans, Hungarians, Czechs or Jews.

Rural population around Zagreb are typical NW Croats.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dušan

You are focused on Baltic score, never count all results.

This is average from Serbs from Croatia.
Counted me, Decius, HungryLion, AyeFather, Decius, Krtinić and lot of my matches from Gedmatch. Total 18 samples

Serb_Krajina
North Atlantic 24.48,
Baltic 30.59,
West Med 17.36,
West Asia 8.35,
East Med 15.01,
Red Sea 1.76,
South Asia 0.47,
East Asia 0.16,
Siberian 0.88,
Amerindian 0.44,
Oceanian 0.41,
Notheast African 0.03,
sub-Saharan 0.03

Not different from general Serbian average.

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I have many Krajina Serb kits who are not counted there. For example CommonSense posted Milković Krajina Serb with 36.21% Baltic, and I had already his kit in my conputer unconnected with CS. Or for example Grulović with 35.28 Baltic posted by vtbnekhio is also not counted.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I have many Krajina Serb kits who are not counted there. For example CommonSense posted Milković Krajina Serb with 36.21% Baltic, and I had already had hus kit in my conputer unconnected with CS. Or for example Grulović with 35.28 Baltic posted by vtbnekhio is also not counted.

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How is Milković a Serb, you spoke with him? I wrote before Milković is common Lika Croat surname and I have a collague with same surname.
Same applies to Došen and Zubović ( to add,I don't know any Zubović irl but it's really common name among Croats)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I have many Krajina Serb kits who are not counted there. For example CommonSense posted Milković Krajina Serb with 36.21% Baltic, and I had already his kit in my conputer unconnected with CS. Or for example Grulović with 35.28 Baltic posted by vtbnekhio is also not counted.

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Send me kit numbers to add.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

No, this is what I meant. Bosniaks and Hugarians would pull the average even further North.
I have full Serbians with 4gp, locations and surnames on both 23andme and MyHeritage. Same applies for Croats.
And I can roughly estimate how those Serbs would score, probably in the mid 20s for Atlantic and Baltic. That's why I was saying that the old average is probably better for Serbs from the whole country.

My 4gp Serbs

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/SAsyYhm.png

1)
https://i.imgur.com/PVVtnPq.png
https://i.imgur.com/FYekIZj.png
https://i.imgur.com/gWfFBZq.png

2)
https://i.imgur.com/fkRrvSX.png
https://i.imgur.com/NfEr165.png
https://i.imgur.com/S4ggJb7.png

3)
https://i.imgur.com/FdOBBQy.png
https://i.imgur.com/MECBPDy.png
https://i.imgur.com/nSNmbbm.png

4)
https://i.imgur.com/P4TIPZa.png
https://i.imgur.com/9h8fLeL.png
https://i.imgur.com/8pcplRn.png

My 4gp Croats

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/fo6mV0T.png

1)
https://i.imgur.com/X3PprVN.png
https://i.imgur.com/89rq0kI.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZNCdkRc.png

2)
https://i.imgur.com/aeVcy82.png
https://i.imgur.com/6b8YOFg.png
https://i.imgur.com/f87R9j2.png

3)
https://i.imgur.com/ORLOxp2.png
https://i.imgur.com/M3wn1FC.png
https://i.imgur.com/I1UbLTE.png

Now tell me guys, most of those Serbians from the K15 map, are they more similar to my Serbs or Croats?
I would guess they are like 40%+ East Euro Croats, where East Euro pulls them up and enough NW Euro too, which pulls them to the left.

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You do understand that new Serbian average is still more southern than Croatian one.
What is your problem with our average?

@Ion, I score 47% Eastern European at 23andme, but ''only'' 32% Baltic on K13. So I don't think it translates to gedmatch entirely.

Let's not hijack the thread with Serbian and Croatian results.