Were do I get G25?
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Were do I get G25?
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/g...to-be.html?m=0Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
MichałQuote:
Originally Posted by michal3141
"distance%=5.9217"
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,51.8
Anatolia_Barcin_N,32
WHG,15.6
Han,0.6
AlekQuote:
Originally Posted by Yamnaya
"distance%=6.9642"
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,54.2
Anatolia_Barcin_N,25.3
WHG,13.6
Nganassan,6.6
Levant_PPNB,0.3
CelticDragonGodQuote:
Originally Posted by celticdragongod
"distance%=5.4135"
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,50.1
Anatolia_Barcin_N,36.8
WHG,13.1
CumanSkyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
"distance%=6.335"
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,50.8
Anatolia_Barcin_N,33.6
WHG,15.5
Levant_PPNB,0.1
I have nice Yamnaya :fhhorse: but fix it with Corded Ware, Bell Beaker, etc as they said. The problem is I look like Irish that incorrect false ad, components are broad and encompass many admixtures, not specific enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
This how Davidski does it tho
the truth is Celts, Germanics and West Slavs do cluster more together, broadly speaking, if you look on any PCA plot and compare the distances between you guys to the distances you see elsewhere (southern Europe, West Asia, out of Europe...). NW Europeans are rather similar than differentQuote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
I'm not a West Slav, because I'm from UkraineQuote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
just to experiment (with my coordinates):
model 01
Corded_Ware_Baltic,51.7
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,17.7
Anatolia_Barcin_N,15.7
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,14.3
Han,0.6
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0
Levant_PPNB,0
Nganassan,0
WHG,0
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,0
model 02
Corded_Ware_Baltic,61.2
Anatolia_Barcin_N,16.7
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,15.9
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,5.6
Han,0.5
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0
Levant_PPNB,0
Nganassan,0
WHG,0
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,0
model 03
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,64
Anatolia_Barcin_N,24.2
WHG,5.4
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,3.3
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,2.1
Han,1
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0
Levant_PPNB,0
Nganassan,0
For basic components project this the best I seen for me by Ph2ter:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
[1]"distance%=4.8489"
MykhailoTepes
EURASIAN-STEPPE, 42.6
ANATOLIA-EEF, 20.2
LEVANT, 18.2
EUROPE-WHG, 8
EAST-ASIA, 5.4
INDIA, 2.4
ATLAS, 1.6
WEST-SIBERIA-HG, 1.6
That EURASIAN-STEPPE is the real deal
some considerations and more R modelling:
Yamnaya developed from Khvalynsk (southern Russia) and Sredny Stog (eastern Ukraine).
Sredny Stog are the people that domesticated the horse. Yamnaya was transmitted this, so they were among first populations to be able to cover larger distances shorter.
Khvalynsk was much more EHG (Eastern Hunter Gatherer) than Sredny Stog (the latter had contacts with neighbour farmer culture of Tripolie):
RUS_Khvalynsk_En
RUS_Sidelkino_HG,85.3
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,7.9
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,6.8
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En
RUS_Sidelkino_HG,51
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,27.1
Anatolia_Barcin_N,21.9
Yamnaya seems to have developed more from Khvalynsk while Corded and Beakers more from Sredny Stog, and notice that Mediterranean Beakers were largely of Neolithic farmer stock:
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,65.1
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,20.4
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,10.5
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,4
Yamnaya_UKR
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,53.8
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,24.6
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,13.5
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,8.1
Yamnaya_BGR
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,49.9
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,27.7
Anatolia_Barcin_N,9.4
WHG,7.3
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,4.8
Nganassan,0.9
Corded_Ware_Baltic
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,49.7
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,23.1
WHG,13.1
Anatolia_Barcin_N,8.8
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,5.3
Corded_Ware_CZE
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,69.9
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,11.9
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,9.1
WHG,6.6
Anatolia_Barcin_N,2.5
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,54.1
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,17.4
Anatolia_Barcin_N,11.2
WHG,8.5
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,6.8
Han,1.3
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.7
Bell_Beaker_Scotland
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,82.4
WHG,10.1
Anatolia_Barcin_N,7.5
(RUS_Khvalynsk_En,0)
Bell_Beaker_Iberia
Anatolia_Barcin_N,66.4
WHG,23.8
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,9.8
(RUS_Khvalynsk_En,0)
Bell_Beaker_ITA
Anatolia_Barcin_N,65.5
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,23.3
WHG,11.2
(RUS_Khvalynsk_En,0)
Feiichy
"distance%=4.3833"
Yamnaya_Samara,44
Barcin_N,43.2
WHG,12.8
Stears
"distance%=3.9796"
Yamnaya_Samara,49
Barcin_N,37.6
WHG,9
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,2.6
Han,1.8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Code:[1] "distance%=4.5169"
Creoda_scaled
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,71.6
Barcin_N,18.2
WHG,10.2
[1] "distance%=4.0375"
Creoda_scaled
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,70
UKR_N_o,20
WHG,10
[1] "distance%=3.869"
Creoda_scaled
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,62.6
POL_Globular_Amphora,29.8
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,4.2
WHG,3.4
my take on Udmurts:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
"distance%=3.1119"
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,44.4
RUS_Ust_Ida_LN,12
Yamnaya_BGR,6.6
ARM_Areni_C,5.6
Corded_Ware_Baltic,4.2
RUS_Karelia_HG,2.4
RUS_Sosonivoy_HG,2.4
RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o3,2.2
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,2
RUS_Samara_HG,2
RUS_Tyumen_HG,2
RUS_Lokomotiv_N,1.8
RUS_Baikal_N,1.6
RUS_Shamanka_N,1.2
Yamnaya_UKR,1.2
RUS_Sidelkino_HG,1
Anatolia_Kumtepe_N_low_res,0.8
HRV_Starcevo_LN,0.6
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.4
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o,0.4
Berber_Algeria,0.4
HUN_Sopot_LN,0.4
HUN_Tiszapolgar_ECA,0.4
ROU_C,0.4
UKR_Trypillia_En,0.4
Anatolia_Barcin_C,0.2
BedouinA,0.2
BedouinB,0.2
BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N,0.2
BGR_Krepost_N,0.2
BGR_Middle_C,0.2
BGR_N,0.2
HRV_Sopot_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_III_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_Szatmar_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN,0.2
HUN_Tisza_LN,0.2
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C,0.2
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.2
SAHG,0.2
Yoruba,0.2
Total indo-european:
Yamnaya_BGR,6.6
Corded_Ware_Baltic,4.2
Yamnaya_UKR,1.2
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o,0.4
RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o3,2.2
14.6%
:coffee:
Adding Sredny_Stog instead of Yamnaya worsens my fit.
sample": "Custom:Feiichy_scaled",
"fit": 4.62,
"UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En": 60.83,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 29.17,
"WHG": 10,
So this isn't a good model for steppe admixture.
of course, sredny stog were pre-indo-european EHGs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Udmurts score a lot of it, really makes sense.
now germans:
[1] "distance%=0.8268"
German
DEU_Alberstedt_LN,17.8
Wales_CA_EBA,13.4
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria,13.2
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA,9.4
Bell_Beaker_Scotland,5.2
DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN,3.6
Bell_Beaker_CZE,3.4
DEU_Halberstadt_LBA,3.4
Bell_Beaker_NLD,3
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o,2.6
Yamnaya_BGR,2.6
Corded_Ware_DEU,2.2
Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,1.8
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale,1.6
Corded_Ware_Baltic,1.6
Corded_Ware_Baltic_early,1.4
Anatolia_Kumtepe_N_low_res,1
Bell_Beaker_England_EBA,1
Corded_Ware_POL,1
Bell_Beaker_HUN,0.6
DEU_LBK_N,0.6
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA_o,0.4
BGR_Middle_C,0.4
HUN_Bu_kk_MN,0.4
HUN_Koros_N,0.4
HUN_Protoboleraz_LCA,0.4
HUN_Sopot_LN,0.4
HUN_Starcevo_N,0.4
Levant_ISR_C,0.4
ROU_C,0.4
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.4
SRB_N,0.4
UKR_N_o,0.4
Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.2
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.2
AUT_LBK_N,0.2
BGR_C,0.2
BGR_MP_N,0.2
CZE_Bilina_N_Baalberge,0.2
CZE_MN,0.2
CZE_N,0.2
GRC_N,0.2
Han,0.2
HRV_Cardial_N,0.2
HRV_Sopot_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_I_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_III_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN,0.2
HUN_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN,0.2
HUN_Baden_LCA,0.2
HUN_Balaton_Lasinja_CA,0.2
HUN_LBK_MN,0.2
HUN_LCA,0.2
HUN_Lengyel_LN,0.2
HUN_Tisza_LN,0.2
Iberia_Central_CA_Afr,0.2
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,0.2
Total indo-european:
Yamnaya_BGR,2.6
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria,13.2
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA,9.4
Bell_Beaker_Scotland,5.2
Bell_Beaker_CZE,3.4
Bell_Beaker_NLD,3
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o,2.6
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale,1.6
Bell_Beaker_England_EBA,1
Bell_Beaker_HUN,0.6
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA_o,0.4
Corded_Ware_DEU,2.2
Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,1.8
Corded_Ware_Baltic,1.6
Corded_Ware_Baltic_early,1.4
Corded_Ware_POL,1
70,8%
Udmurts more Indo European than Indo europeans? i don't think so.
:coffee:
It improves fits for NW Euro's at least. Maybe SE/SC Europeans are more Yamnaya and Northerners more SS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
[1] "distance%=4.3799"
Feodora_scaled
Anatolia_Barcin_N,40
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,35.6
WHG,12.2
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,12
Han,0.2
Thanks :) Yes, can be. We have quite more CHG than north Euros have. Also in Balkans Yamnaya type of R1b is common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
I tried model myself with Corded_Ware DEU and it gave me better fit.
For NW Europeans Bell Beaker is best fit for steppe input ?
interesting, in my models, where all yamnaya samples (from Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Russia and Bulgaria) are in the spreadsheet, everybody who i've run so far gets only Bulgarian Yamnaya
mine (dunno why on Polako's model now I get 47, it was 45.8 - does it recalculate each time?):Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
"distance%=3.9502"
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En,54.4
Anatolia_Barcin_N,25.6
RUS_Khvalynsk_En,6.9
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,5.8
WHG,4.9
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,1.7
Han,0.7
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0
Levant_PPNB,0
Nganassan,0
"distance%=4.3694"
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,47
Anatolia_Barcin_N,44
WHG,8.3
Han,0.7
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0
Dinka,0
ETH_4500BP,0
Gambian,0
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0
Jarawa,0
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0
Levant_PPNB,0
MAR_Iberomaurusian,0
Nganassan,0
Yoruba,0
Yep. German Corded Ware is an equally good fit, which suggests they are directly ancestral to BB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Code:[1] "distance%=3.1612"
Creoda_scaled
Bell_Beaker_NLD,82.8
Scotland_N,17.2
[1] "distance%=3.1227"
Creoda_scaled
Corded_Ware_DEU,67
Scotland_N,32.2
WHG,0.8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Code:[1] "distance%=2.217"
Feodora
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o,21.8
Corded_Ware_Baltic,19.4
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA,14
Nordic_LN,8
Bell_Beaker_HUN,5.8
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,4
BGR_MP_N,2
Corded_Ware_POL,1.8
HUN_ALPc_III_MN,1.2
Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o,1.2
GRC_Peloponnese_N,1
HUN_Lengyel_LN,1
ROU_C,1
BGR_Late_C,0.8
HUN_Koros_N,0.8
IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N,0.8
SAHG,0.8
BGR_Krepost_N,0.6
HRV_Impressa_N,0.6
HUN_ALPc_I_MN,0.6
HUN_ALPc_MN,0.6
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C,0.6
POL_BKG_N_o1,0.6
POL_BKG_N_o2,0.6
TKM_Tepe_Anau_En,0.6
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia,0.6
Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG,0.4
BGR_N,0.4
DEU_Esperstedt_MN,0.4
HUN_Balaton_Lasinja_CA,0.4
HUN_Bu_kk_MN,0.4
HUN_LCA,0.4
HUN_Vinca_MN,0.4
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.4
IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN,0.4
IRN_Wezmeh_N,0.4
ROU_Iron_Gates_HG,0.4
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.4
SRB_Iron_Gates_HG,0.4
SRB_N,0.4
Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.2
Anatolia_Boncuklu_N,0.2
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.2
BedouinA,0.2
Corded_Ware_Baltic_early,0.2
CZE_MN,0.2
DEU_LBK_N,0.2
GEO_CHG,0.2
GRC_N,0.2
Han,0.2
HUN_Baden_LCA,0.2
HUN_Koros_N_HG,0.2
HUN_Sopot_LN,0.2
IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.2
MKD_N,0.2
POL_BKG_N,0.2
ROU_Iron_Gates_N,0.2
UZB_Bustan_En,0.2
"sample": "Custom:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.8057,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 55,
"Yamnaya_RUS_Samara": 40.83,
"ITA_Villabruna": 4.17,
"Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N": 0,
"Han": 0,
"Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps": 0,
"Levant_PPNB": 0,
"MAR_Iberomaurusian": 0,
"Nganassan": 0,
You have to use pen=0 to get the same scores every time and remove a lot of the noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
how do I do that in R? lemme see. brbQuote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
mine nursatQuote:
Originally Posted by Yamnaya
already did yours here, with the name "Alek":Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamnaya
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6229049
Thanks! Have you tested other Russians? What's the average score for them in Global25?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Are you using nMonte?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
This are mine:
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Oleg_scaled,0.129758,0.083273,0.071276,0.063631,0. 016003,0.022032,0.022326,0.011076,-0.00225,-0.034989,0.013641,-0.005395,0.020069,0.012661,-0.021715,-0.003182,0.008345,-0.00266,-0.003394,0.002126,-0.003494,-0.009274,0.002835,-0.01205,-0.001197
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Oleg,0.0114,0.0082,0.0189,0.0197,0.0052,0.0079,0.0 095,0.0048,-0.0011,-0.0192,0.0084,-0.0036,0.0135,0.0092,-0.016,-0.0024,0.0064,-0.0021,-0.0027,0.0017,-0.0028,-0.0075,0.0023,-0.01,-0.001
The Great Corded Ware Ladder
https://i.postimg.cc/kqxQHC4b/Opera-...-github-io.png
thanks for posting this. I learn a lot from such tables. indeed it's much easier now to play around on vahaduo, we can test models faster, improve them faster, try on more models in less time, which will make us come up with better models in the end. I will try and do some new models I was thinking about, re Yamnaya and that period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
my result on your model, without a few (of the less relevant) samples (for which I don't have the coords)
https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...7f&oe=5E53313B
which one is G25? and how do I get it on Gedmatch
Hell, yeah ! Corded ware ladder > Yamnaya ladderQuote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
how'd you get that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Check out at the Romanians, higher up the ladder then most think. On par with North Italians and higher than Swiss French.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
those Dacians must have been truly indo-europeanQuote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
there's something strange about the Romanian and the Moldavian average used for these G25 coords - the Romanian one is very northern-shifted compared to the results of the Romanians I see online (except for some northeast Romanians (Moldovans).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
then, as I've said before, the Moldavian average is totally off - it comes more southwestern-shifted than the Romanian average, which is again against anything I saw online on this, including Eurogenes oracles and individual results of any Rep. of Moldova Romanian/Moldovan ethnic.
so I suspect some sampling bias.
however, entire regions of Romania are naturally "above" these results (Moldova, Bucovina, Maramures), so with better sampling it wouldn't be a surprise to see the average is really as northern-shifted as that. but then for Moldova it most definitely isn't the one now in use with Global25.
1. go to https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOldNorth
2. place the coords of the calculator populations on SOURCE tab
3. place the coords of the populations/individuals you want to model on TARGET tab
4. go to MULTI tab and hit RUN
I've got the G25 coords from Polako.
I declare myself king Corded Ware ! Much greater than King Yamnaya ! :
Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 4.8743% / 0.04874326
76.0 Corded_Ware_Baltic
22.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.4 WHG
0.2 RUS_Karelia_HG
P.S. I don't feel I need the less relevant samples like Clovis and Yoruba etc.. and I don't have them anyway.
how did you get the results?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBond007