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Originally Posted by Kyp
Azerbaijani of Padar tribe from Ağsu region of Azerbaijan.
Y-DNA: J2
MtDNA: K1a
His pictures (he has very interesting phenotype):
https://i.imgur.com/jyZtdJr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iNzh0Q0.jpg
He has high Atlantic_Med when compared to most Azerbaijanis and predictably is closer to the Turkish Az. average:
Gedrosia 22.35
Siberian 1.44
Northwest_African 0
Southeast_Asia 0
Atlantic_Med 11.22
North_European 7.68
South_Asian 2.91
East_African 0
Southwest_Asia 8.81
East_Asian 5.01
Caucasus 40.58
Sub_Saharan 0
Distance to: Azerb_padar
4.50695019 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.30116025 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.99745779 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.45806275 Turk_Southeast
7.64317342 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.91686807 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.15792866 Turk_Central_East
8.48479817 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.60679383 Turk_East
8.68741619 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.73935352 Yazidi_Kurd
9.32906748 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.43687978 Turk_South
According to him, his family has been living in the Shirvan province of Azerbaijan for at least last 200 years, but most of his matches on 23andme are from the East Azerbaijan province of Iran:
https://i.imgur.com/d2v4EtH.jpg
The Padar tribe roamed the area between Iran and Azerbaijan (Moghan and Qaradagh/arasbaran) in their early history. Hamedan province has a large Azerbaijani population (which could be the explanation for the matches. Teheran is just normal, since apparently everyone gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Result of 1/2 (father is Azerbaijani from Kurdamir) + 1/2 (Tat from Quba and Ismayilli). Very unusual because both North Euro and Atlantic_Med are elevated at the same time. Interesting 2Way.
Ydna: R-FGC24408
Gedrosia 19.99
Siberian 3.74
Northwest_African 0
Southeast_Asia 0.69
Atlantic_Med 10.47
North_European 12.2
South_Asian 0
East_African 0
Southwest_Asia 12.72
East_Asian 1,89
Caucasus 38.29
Sub_Saharan 0
Distance to: Aze_tat
5.26499763 Turk_Southeast
5.33908232 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.54726059 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.21380721 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.45263512 Turk_Central_East
6.75403583 Turk_South
7.31530587 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.32624051 Turk_Central_West
7.66703985 Dersim
7.99414786 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.15337967 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.84884738 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.35853621 Turk_East
Distance to: Aze_tat
2.95886938 18.20% Dargin_Kaitag + 81.80% Turk_Southeast
2.98156265 21.20% Tabasaran + 78.80% Turk_Southeast
2.99594984 17.20% Dargin + 82.80% Turk_Southeast
3.00268277 18.40% Avar + 81.60% Turk_Southeast
3.01388090 18.00% Dargin_Kubachi + 82.00% Turk_Southeast
3.03221391 19.20% Lak + 80.80% Turk_Southeast
3.03398218 21.60% Lezgin + 78.40% Turk_Southeast
3.06437347 32.60% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 67.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
3.10125956 87.40% Azerbaijani_Republic + 12.60% Bulgarian_East
3.10617627 87.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 12.40% Pomak_Greece
3.11171089 88.20% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.80% Pomak_Bulgaria
3.12253823 88.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.40% Bulgarian_West
3.12685058 85.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 14.20% Turk_Makedonya
3.12779324 88.20% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.80% Bulgarian_Central
3.12838112 89.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 10.40% Montenegrin
3.12896803 88.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.40% Moldovan_South
3.13293486 88.20% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.80% Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
3.13574611 89.00% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.00% Romanian
3.14413357 60.60% Dersim + 39.40% Turk_Northwest
3.14992914 88.40% Azerbaijani_Republic + 11.60% Macedonian_East
3.16494500 84.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 15.40% Turk_Trakya
3.16790453 90.20% Azerbaijani_Republic + 9.80% Serb
3.16841510 87.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 12.20% Greek_Macedonia
3.17798219 31.00% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 69.00% Dersim
3.17850712 86.00% Azerbaijani_Republic + 14.00% Turk_Deliorman
New Azerbaijani result from Zərnə and Ləkit villages of Zaqatala.
Y-DNA: G-Z6638
Picture:
https://i.imgur.com/6IsH3yq.jpg
Gedrosia 24.05
Siberian 4.17
NW_African -
SE_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.84
North_European 17.87
South_Asian -
East_African -
SW_Asian 7.46
East_Asian 1.82
Caucasus 38.78
SSA -
Distance to: Aze_zagatala
5.09288720 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.66657745 Kumyk
6.75555327 Lezgin
6.95218671 Ingush
7.20224271 Chechen
7.47194754 Tabasaran
8.91853127 Kabardin
9.23009751 Lak
9.66794187 Balkar
9.68573177 Abazin
9.82129319 Karachay
10.20639505 Circassian
10.32822831 Adyghe
10.40576283 Avar
10.74801377 Dargin_Kubachi
10.98171207 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.03286907 Dargin_Kaitag
11.55805347 Ossetian
11.67688315 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.84349188 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.19276425 Dargin
12.42008454 Dersim
12.78383745 Iranian_Zoroastrian
12.99496441 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.59477841 Kurd_Kurmanji
Distance to: Aze_zagatala
2.24865721 69.60% Lezgin + 30.40% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.50187145 68.80% Lezgin + 31.20% Turk_South
2.52042537 69.60% Lezgin + 30.40% Turk_Central_East
2.59117857 45.40% Azerbaijani_Republic + 54.60% Lak
2.63261757 50.20% Azerbaijani_Republic + 49.80% Dargin_Kaitag
2.67921531 51.40% Avar + 48.60% Azerbaijani_Republic
2.72878424 53.40% Avar + 46.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.73664694 39.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 60.40% Tabasaran
2.75720408 71.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 28.60% Dargin_Kaitag
2.78795938 43.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 56.60% Lak
2.78854367 43.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 56.40% Lak
2.80643571 69.20% Lezgin + 30.80% Turk_Southeast
2.82064417 34.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 65.20% Lezgin
2.83773962 52.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 47.20% Dargin
Its very silent here unfortunately, a new thread would be good too. But here I have a very interesting result from Turkey(thanks @CommonSense), a Turk who has at least maternally Kurdish ancestry, on 23andme he is predominantly East Anatolian/Iranian but has an odd result. He seems to be Turkish+Kurdish mix but there is something weird on his result:
Ankara/Corum(Turk?Kurd?)
Gedrosia:22.24
Siberian:2.21
NW-African:0
SE-Asian:0
Atl.Med:15.33
North European:4.98
South Asian:4.96
East African:0
SW-Asian:13.51
East Asian:1.27
Caucasus:35.49
SSA:0
Distance to: Ankara/Corum(Turk?Kurd?)
8.46956906 Turk_Southeast
8.94589291 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.07179696 Turkmen_Iraq
9.20648684 Yazidi_Kurd
9.35027272 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.64442326 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.93532586 Dersim
9.98240452 Azerbaijani_Republic
10.89430585 Iranian_Central
10.93581273 Kurd_Sorani
10.95121454 Turk_Central_East
11.19737469 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.45966841 Iranian_Lur
11.46551787 Iranian_Fars
11.60492999 Turk_Central_West
11.64299790 Turk_South
11.94279281 Iranian_Zoroastrian
12.04443855 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.75231744 Kurd_Feyli
12.86897043 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.97895990 Turk_East
12.97914866 Iranian_Khorasan
13.07020658 Iranian_Kerman
13.68034722 Turk_Southwest
13.71338397 Turk_West_BlackSea
Target: Ankara/Corum(Turk?Kurd?)
Distance: 7.4484% / 7.44842846 | ADC: 1x RC
57.3 Turk_Southeast
42.7 Yazidi_Kurd
Target: Ankara/Corum(Turk?Kurd?)
Distance: 2.8775% / 2.87750064 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.3 Yazidi_Kurd
25.8 Turkmen_Iraq
14.7 Sardinian
14.2 Parsi_India
Target: Ankara/Corum(Turk?Kurd?)
Distance: 2.0014% / 2.00141864 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.2 Iranian_Lur
16.4 Sardinian
13.7 Turk_Southeast
11.7 Parsi_India
Mountain jew from Ismayilli, Azerbaijan.
Y-dna: J-P279
Mount_jew,17.94,0,1.31,0,9.91,4.85,0.23,0.64,20.57,1.32,43.23,0
Distance to: Mount_jew
4.78784920 Kurdish_Jew
4.92699706 Azeri_Jew
4.99369603 Mandean
5.04925737 Assyrian_South
5.27119531 Assyrian_North
5.30822946 Iraqi_Jew
5.38461698 Assyrian_West
6.95611242 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.40971462 Armenian_West
8.94578672 Nusayri_Turkey
8.98504313 Turkmen_Iraq
9.10322470 Lebanese_Muslim
9.46578576 Turk_East
9.89975252 Armenian_East
9.91749464 Lebanese_Christian
10.05698762 Syrian_Muslim
10.32072187 Turk_Southeast
10.44765524 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.89429208 Dersim
10.89857789 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.08603626 Arab_Iran
11.59551206 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.64577176 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.94165818 Turk_Central_East
12.00855112 Azerbaijani_Iran
Not just Iran and Azerbaijan. They also apparently roamed Dagestan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
There is an Azerbaijani village named Padar:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F...2%D0%B0%D0%BD)
Interesting. Can you add Georgian jewish, Azeri Jewish, west Armenian and Assyrian samples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Unfortunately I don't have any Georgian Jewish samples(and I don't know why the Georgian Jewish average was removed from vahaduo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
Armenian and Assyrian results have been posted already. To be frank I don't find their results very interesting as they are fairly homogeneous groups.
Here is another mountain jew from the same region of Azerbaijan. They do score somehow similar to Assyrians and Armenians. I have seen some who score almost indistinguishable from the Assyrians.
Gedrosia 17.37 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.28 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 3.12 Pct
East_African 0.9 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Mount_jew
4.56600482 Mandean
4.83707556 Kurdish_Jew
5.08948917 Iraqi_Jew
5.39440451 Assyrian_South
5.51413638 Azeri_Jew
5.81529879 Assyrian_West
5.94172534 Assyrian_North
6.25391877 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.43150725 Nusayri_Turkey
7.44718067 Lebanese_Muslim
8.67630682 Armenian_West
8.74819981 Turkmen_Iraq
8.91323174 Lebanese_Christian
9.35990385 Syrian_Muslim
10.02326793 Turk_East
10.64984037 Turk_Southeast
10.70428886 Arab_Iran
10.71591807 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.78852631 Armenian_East
11.27542904 Palestinian_Christian
11.40299961 Dersim
11.62993981 Syrian_SW_Christian
11.85993676 Palestinian
11.92922881 Iraqi_Arab
11.94851455 Udi_Azerbaijan
Most Assyrians are homogeneous, even Armenians for that matter. Even though most mizrahis are homogeneous they still plot differently with other populations and each other. That's okay if you don't have Georgian Jewish samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
I assume this result belongs to a 100% Georgian Jew who is a match of that 75% Georgian Jew. If that guy's 25% comes from western Georgia then he is my genetical twin.Quote:
Originally Posted by RatCat
Another mountain jew from Azerbaijan. This one is even closer to Assyrians:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
Az_jew,18.31,0, 0.76,0,9.76,2.48,1.11,0.35,21.15,0.35,45.79,0
Distance to: Az_jew
2.47537876 Kurdish_Jew
2.64202574 Azeri_Jew
2.67693855 Assyrian_South
2.85571357 Assyrian_North
3.30945615 Assyrian_West
3.41328288 Iraqi_Jew
3.68266208 Mandean
6.99147338 Armenian_West
9.08851473 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.51299637 Armenian_East
9.65155428 Nusayri_Turkey
10.00733231 Lebanese_Christian
10.56519285 Turk_East
10.79396127 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89097333 Lebanese_Muslim
11.83719561 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.86986099 Syrian_Muslim
12.19802033 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.22973017 Palestinian_Christian
12.58363620 Syrian_SW_Christian
12.63347933 Dersim
12.87088187 Arab_Iran
13.15922870 Turk_Southeast
13.27592935 Greek_Pontus
13.40333541 Jordanian_Christian
I checked on archive.org, there wasn't such ref on D12 never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Hmm.. Might be I'm mixing it with the original spreadsheet. I just had a look, and the average is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I assume it says az_jew next to distance to because this Mountain Jewish sample is from Azerbaijan... Anyways, thanks for posting another mizrahi result. If you have any Iraqi Jewish, Kurdish Jewish, Iranian Jewish and Azeri Jewish samples, posting them would be highly appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Yes, this is a mountain jew from Azerbaijan(the same region as the previous person).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
I'll post other Jewish results if I find them. There are quite a few of them on gedmatch.
Cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Academic Mountain Jews from Dagestan :thumb001:
Code:
Filename,Gedrosia,Siberian,Northwest_African,Southeast_Asian,Atlantic_Med,North_European,South_Asian,East_African,Southwest_Asian,East_Asian,Caucasus,Sub_Saharan
MJ1,12.62,1.24,2.19,0,13.55,11.26,0,0.22,18.52,0.12,40.28,0
MJ2,17.48,0,0.89,0.56,8.36,5.15,0.44,0.19,22.3,0,44.63,0
MJ3,19.07,0,0.3,2.29,6.94,4.38,0.29,1,21.42,0,44.31,0
MJ4,16.99,0.33,0.08,1.03,6.36,4.09,0,0,20.61,0,50.26,0.26
MJ5,19.31,0,2.57,1.35,7.86,3.17,1.52,0.53,19.32,0,44.38,0
MJ6,18.28,0,1.34,0,9.27,3.82,0.71,0.92,20.81,0.49,44.36,0
MJ7,11.53,3.1,0.83,0,15.06,30.17,0.94,0.29,10.58,1.29,26.21,0
MJ8,15.9,0.24,1.15,0,11.05,3.26,1.25,0,21.92,0,45.23,0
MJ9,18.49,0,2.88,1.1,11.23,1.43,1.1,0,16.86,1.82,44.96,0.14
MJ10,15.94,0.07,1.41,0.29,10.35,1.5,0.25,1.13,21.38,0,47.59,0.08
MJ11,14.92,0,2.22,0,11.73,8,0,0,16.9,3.33,42.71,0.18
MJ12,15.9,0,1.44,0,7.2,2.5,1.07,0,19.01,2.5,49.97,0.4
MJ13,19.75,0.05,1.82,0,8.97,0.82,1.21,1.79,18.71,0.31,46.58,0
MJ14,19.19,0,3.29,1.43,10.39,2.88,0,0.38,17.82,0,44.61,0
MJ15,16.95,0,2.37,1.36,10.29,1.08,0.06,0,19.13,0.19,48.57,0
MJ16,20.56,0.34,0.08,0,11.3,1.47,0,0,20.44,0.62,45.06,0.14
MJ17,16.18,0.86,2.15,0,9.59,3.44,0.09,0,17.52,2.28,47.89,0
MJ18,19.22,0.22,3.78,0,5.95,6.3,0,0,17.39,0.09,47.05,0
There is a huge variation and differences in between the individuals as if some of them represented different ethnicities. It would be awesome if those many samples were available for Georgian Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Excellent! Although MJ7 and MJ1 are definitely mixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
For example, MJ7:
Distance to: MJ7
8.44860343 Turk_Deliorman
8.89479623 Turk_Trakya
11.15140350 Pomak_Greece
11.75980867 Turk_Makedonya
12.13463638 Moldovan_Gagauz
12.38996772 Bulgarian_East
12.70737975 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.16227564 Bulgarian_Thrace
13.18132770 Pomak_Bulgaria
Distance to: MJ7
0.96204762 46.20% Iraqi_Jew + 53.80% Mordovian
0.98148676 46.40% Kurdish_Jew + 53.60% Mordovian
1.16550097 48.40% Mandean + 51.60% Russian
1.24960004 46.60% Mandean + 53.40% Mordovian
1.42989542 53.80% Assyrian_South + 46.20% Karelian
1.49712864 51.40% Azeri_Jew + 48.60% North_Russian
1.51776244 49.20% Mandean + 50.80% Russian_Kostroma
1.51984044 51.00% Mandean + 49.00% North_Russian
1.52163790 53.80% Azeri_Jew + 46.20% Finnish_West
1.56159426 53.60% Assyrian_North + 46.40% Karelian
1.57647388 51.20% Assyrian_South + 48.80% North_Russian
And MJ1 seems to be 1/4 something else:
Distance to: MJ1
8.53715995 Turk_Cyprus
9.32326123 Turk_Central_East
9.43381683 Nusayri_Turkey
9.57719688 Turk_Central_West
9.74106257 Lebanese_Muslim
9.75420422 Turk_Southeast
10.69362427 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.93450959 Turk_South
11.27265718 Greek_Kos
11.30134063 Turk_East
11.44995196 Greek_Cappadocia
Distance to: MJ1
2.34655091 69.40% Kurdish_Jew + 30.60% Pomak_Greece
2.38519396 69.20% Iraqi_Jew + 30.80% Pomak_Greece
2.64726488 70.80% Kurdish_Jew + 29.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
2.67196322 76.60% Kurdish_Jew + 23.40% Moldovan_North
2.67807572 76.40% Iraqi_Jew + 23.60% Moldovan_North
2.79127021 78.80% Iraqi_Jew + 21.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.81150880 79.20% Kurdish_Jew + 20.80% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.81947211 75.40% Kurdish_Jew + 24.60% Moldovan_Central
2.83631286 70.60% Iraqi_Jew + 29.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
2.85798650 29.20% Bulgarian_Central + 70.80% Kurdish_Jew
2.87278050 23.40% Bosnian + 76.60% Kurdish_Jew
2.88515736 28.20% Bulgarian_West + 71.80% Kurdish_Jew
2.90137205 71.80% Kurdish_Jew + 28.20% Moldovan_South
2.90142853 75.00% Iraqi_Jew + 25.00% Moldovan_Central
Yes few Caucasian input too like Lezgin but it is expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
There are a few who are mixed with southern european like populations. These samples might be from Israel and not from Azerbaijan or north caucasus based on the diversity...
It was said they were collected in Derbent in Dagestan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
I don't see any unusual element aside from those individuals that are clearly part Russian. Some of the individuals have local Caucasian admixture, but I don't see Southern Europe(I suspect even that could be explained by Ashkenazi influence).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
One of the samoles is closest to cypriots some other samples have considerably low gedrosia and caucasus scores and plot unusually. If anything quite a number of these mountain jews plot "weirdly". I don't see any of them having russian admixture. Again, if anything some of them are either ashkenazi or greek mixes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
Distance to: MJ17
3.95189828 Assyrian_West
4.09465505 Assyrian_South
4.11238374 Assyrian_North
4.19436527 Azeri_Jew
4.53703648 Armenian_West
6.15711783 Armenian_East
6.33612658 Kurdish_Jew
7.04714836 Iraqi_Jew
7.73698262 Turk_East
7.77787889 Mandean
9.51773608 Greek_Pontus
9.62965212 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.64863203 Nusayri_Turkey
9.99526888 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.73319617 Lebanese_Christian
11.36343258 Hemshin
11.50634608 Greek_Cappadocia
11.59028041 Turk_Ahiska
11.75476499 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.01985441 Lebanese_Muslim
12.27874586 Turk_Central_East
12.31962662 Turkmen_Iraq
12.42947304 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
12.43485022 Turk_Southeast
12.48489487 Azerbaijani_Turkey
Distance to: MJ16
3.67039507 Azeri_Jew
3.67446595 Mandean
3.78774339 Assyrian_North
3.88892016 Assyrian_South
4.18320451 Kurdish_Jew
4.37611700 Assyrian_West
4.62705090 Iraqi_Jew
7.47570732 Armenian_West
9.62970405 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.21247277 Armenian_East
10.37810195 Nusayri_Turkey
10.63107238 Turkmen_Iraq
10.82167270 Turk_East
11.21198466 Lebanese_Christian
11.41566468 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.69747409 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.89463745 Lebanese_Muslim
12.05924956 Dersim
12.59229923 Yazidi_Kurd
12.96249204 Iranian_Lur
12.98957659 Syrian_Muslim
13.01489915 Kurd_Sorani
13.10238146 Turk_Southeast
13.10469000 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.33688119 Kurd_Feyli
Distance to: MJ15
2.78185190 Assyrian_West
2.80092842 Assyrian_South
2.98792570 Assyrian_North
3.38923295 Azeri_Jew
4.62202337 Kurdish_Jew
4.86225256 Armenian_West
5.23410928 Iraqi_Jew
6.58987102 Mandean
8.06264845 Armenian_East
9.62469220 Nusayri_Turkey
10.02136218 Lebanese_Christian
10.22570780 Greek_Pontus
10.40892406 Turk_East
11.16531236 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.11932341 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.19662248 Hemshin
12.29895524 Lebanese_Muslim
12.32890506 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.55010359 Palestinian_Christian
12.57272445 Greek_Cappadocia
12.96127694 Syrian_SW_Christian
13.47273543 Turk_Ahiska
13.49221627 Laz
13.58105298 Turkmen_Iraq
13.73571258 Jordanian_Christian
Distance to: MJ14
3.50051425 Azeri_Jew
3.87872402 Assyrian_South
4.00971321 Assyrian_North
4.29753418 Assyrian_West
4.66101920 Mandean
4.95733800 Kurdish_Jew
5.59991071 Iraqi_Jew
6.57347701 Armenian_West
8.34239774 Turk_East
8.47828992 Armenian_East
8.76554619 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.28032327 Nusayri_Turkey
9.45521549 Turkmen_Iraq
9.60889692 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.94184088 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.32909967 Dersim
10.40348019 Lebanese_Muslim
10.83258972 Lebanese_Christian
11.26585106 Turk_Southeast
11.32782415 Yazidi_Kurd
11.50224761 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.57522354 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.61857564 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.00796402 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.16992194 Kurd_Sorani
Distance to: MJ13
2.67566814 Azeri_Jew
3.38688648 Assyrian_North
3.43084538 Assyrian_South
4.16913660 Mandean
4.22653522 Assyrian_West
4.45122455 Kurdish_Jew
5.26093148 Iraqi_Jew
6.63070132 Armenian_West
9.10666789 Armenian_East
9.98133258 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.13102167 Turk_East
10.65436530 Turkmen_Iraq
11.00155898 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.19390012 Nusayri_Turkey
11.57860959 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.99419443 Dersim
12.05120741 Lebanese_Christian
12.22332197 Lebanese_Muslim
12.44282524 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.55422638 Greek_Pontus
12.75357989 Yazidi_Kurd
12.79206785 Iranian_Lur
12.84511580 Kurd_Feyli
13.01384263 Turk_East_Black_Sea
13.13612576 Kurd_Sorani
Distance to: MJ12
5.71854877 Assyrian_North
5.75998264 Azeri_Jew
5.80853682 Assyrian_South
5.91136194 Assyrian_West
6.62825769 Armenian_West
7.27521821 Kurdish_Jew
8.03830828 Iraqi_Jew
8.09205783 Armenian_East
8.88184103 Mandean
10.10008911 Greek_Pontus
10.34649216 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.58340210 Turk_East
11.20610102 Hemshin
12.17598867 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.27140986 Turk_Ahiska
12.33887353 Nusayri_Turkey
12.50129593 Laz
12.51320902 Lebanese_Christian
13.11617703 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
13.44040922 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.12581679 Turkmen_Iraq
14.25045262 Lebanese_Muslim
14.26326400 Greek_Cappadocia
14.56059065 Palestinian_Christian
15.00056999 Dersim
Distance to: MJ11
7.32876524 Turk_East
7.44586462 Turk_Central_East
7.73621354 Turk_Southeast
8.50876019 Nusayri_Turkey
8.67865197 Assyrian_West
8.88551068 Assyrian_South
9.02626168 Azeri_Jew
9.07215520 Assyrian_North
9.19854336 Armenian_East
9.36022436 Armenian_West
9.44712655 Turk_Central_West
9.53716939 Lebanese_Muslim
9.63776426 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.88670825 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.94139829 Kurdish_Jew
9.95723857 Turk_South
10.00019000 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.03456526 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.21878662 Azerbaijani_Republic
10.29397882 Iraqi_Jew
10.32351684 Turk_Cyprus
10.48389718 Greek_Cappadocia
10.55560988 Mandean
10.77509165 Lebanese_Christian
10.90791914 Turkmen_Iraq
Distance to: MJ10
3.22656164 Assyrian_South
3.25901826 Assyrian_West
3.35481743 Kurdish_Jew
3.72588245 Assyrian_North
3.79114758 Iraqi_Jew
4.09936580 Azeri_Jew
6.18246715 Mandean
6.51022273 Armenian_West
8.41795700 Lebanese_Christian
8.72059631 Nusayri_Turkey
9.58594805 Armenian_East
10.54126178 Palestinian_Christian
10.87167880 Lebanese_Muslim
10.93839111 Syrian_SW_Christian
11.32715322 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.68346695 Turk_East
11.73137247 Jordanian_Christian
11.94483152 Greek_Pontus
12.30436914 Syrian_Muslim
12.90829578 Greek_Cappadocia
12.99253247 Turk_East_Black_Sea
13.49804801 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.65216833 Turkmen_Iraq
13.97558228 Greek_Cypriot
14.20019014 Palestinian
Distance to: MJ9
3.90271700 Azeri_Jew
3.97032744 Assyrian_South
4.21193542 Assyrian_North
4.29925575 Assyrian_West
5.33948499 Mandean
5.44496097 Kurdish_Jew
5.90447288 Iraqi_Jew
6.06654762 Armenian_West
8.27491390 Turk_East
8.45606291 Armenian_East
8.86345305 Nusayri_Turkey
9.51803551 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.05305426 Turkmen_Iraq
10.17670379 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.59350745 Lebanese_Muslim
10.60427272 Lebanese_Christian
10.75216257 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.15388273 Dersim
11.25706889 Turk_Southeast
11.43669970 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.89948738 Azerbaijani_Republic
12.01735828 Turk_Central_East
12.13424081 Yazidi_Kurd
12.20501536 Greek_Pontus
12.20542093 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Distance to: MJ8
3.19782739 Kurdish_Jew
3.56621648 Iraqi_Jew
3.95072145 Assyrian_South
4.01575647 Assyrian_West
4.46901555 Assyrian_North
4.65591022 Azeri_Jew
5.53698474 Mandean
7.43866251 Nusayri_Turkey
7.44633467 Lebanese_Christian
7.56337887 Armenian_West
9.15216368 Lebanese_Muslim
9.23788396 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.62233340 Palestinian_Christian
10.08958374 Armenian_East
10.09814339 Syrian_SW_Christian
10.36619506 Syrian_Muslim
10.82258749 Jordanian_Christian
11.09969819 Turk_East
11.91986577 Turkmen_Iraq
12.44427579 Greek_Cappadocia
12.71735428 Palestinian
12.88800993 Arab_Iran
12.95673570 Greek_Cypriot
13.06160021 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.15542094 Turk_Southeast
Distance to: MJ7
8.44860343 Turk_Deliorman
8.89479623 Turk_Trakya
11.15140350 Pomak_Greece
11.75980867 Turk_Makedonya
12.13463638 Moldovan_Gagauz
12.38996772 Bulgarian_East
12.70737975 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.16227564 Bulgarian_Thrace
13.18132770 Pomak_Bulgaria
13.43236762 Bulgarian_Central
13.86900862 Moldovan_South
14.44554603 Bulgarian_West
14.97948597 Romanian
15.21104204 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
15.42216262 Greek_Macedonia
15.47733504 Greek_Thessaloniki
15.57822519 Macedonian_Polog
15.71234865 Greek_Thessaly
15.75823594 Greek_Thrace
15.78751722 Greek_Peloponnese
15.84295743 Macedonian_South
16.09583486 Macedonian_Vardar
16.25634953 Macedonian_East
16.73398936 Albanian_Kosovo
16.74758789 Montenegrin
Distance to: MJ6
3.49177605 Kurdish_Jew
3.63346942 Azeri_Jew
3.87003876 Mandean
3.89825602 Assyrian_South
4.10598344 Assyrian_North
4.28192714 Iraqi_Jew
4.44734752 Assyrian_West
7.51545740 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.81234280 Armenian_West
9.41853492 Turkmen_Iraq
9.48051159 Nusayri_Turkey
9.65783102 Armenian_East
9.83183096 Lebanese_Muslim
9.88756289 Turk_East
10.14943841 Lebanese_Christian
10.70968720 Syrian_Muslim
10.93176564 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.11330734 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.37989455 Dersim
11.44814395 Arab_Iran
11.64112108 Turk_Southeast
12.27723503 Palestinian_Christian
12.43097341 Yazidi_Kurd
12.47984375 Azerbaijani_Republic
12.54845807 Azerbaijani_Turkey
Distance to: MJ5
3.80203893 Mandean
3.89586961 Azeri_Jew
4.62772082 Kurdish_Jew
4.68016025 Assyrian_South
4.75072626 Assyrian_North
5.44069848 Assyrian_West
5.54469115 Iraqi_Jew
7.57840353 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.19799976 Armenian_West
8.35861831 Turkmen_Iraq
9.50733401 Turk_East
9.69592698 Armenian_East
9.80949540 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.24937559 Dersim
10.38226854 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.96301966 Lebanese_Muslim
10.98075589 Nusayri_Turkey
11.11706796 Yazidi_Kurd
11.14473418 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.30683864 Kurd_Sorani
11.37194794 Kurd_Feyli
11.55944203 Arab_Iran
11.61046080 Iranian_Lur
11.66193809 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.69133867 Turk_Southeast
Distance to: MJ4
6.23656957 Assyrian_North
6.29124789 Azeri_Jew
6.55430393 Assyrian_South
6.66685833 Assyrian_West
7.64344163 Armenian_West
7.73990956 Kurdish_Jew
8.61693681 Armenian_East
8.64306659 Iraqi_Jew
9.25010811 Mandean
11.17821095 Greek_Pontus
11.35863548 Turk_East
11.56923939 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.89029436 Hemshin
12.18905657 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.50667422 Turk_Ahiska
13.04237325 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
13.10589180 Laz
13.57585356 Nusayri_Turkey
13.59376328 Lebanese_Christian
13.81630197 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.37971140 Turkmen_Iraq
14.97235786 Dersim
15.14949504 Kurd_Kurmanji
15.28454775 Lebanese_Muslim
15.34528918 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Distance to: MJ3
5.72592351 Mandean
5.79711135 Azeri_Jew
5.88104583 Kurdish_Jew
6.32114705 Assyrian_North
6.36138350 Assyrian_South
6.67624895 Iraqi_Jew
6.94045388 Assyrian_West
8.37127828 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.60348895 Turkmen_Iraq
9.73661646 Armenian_West
10.95185372 Armenian_East
11.04325586 Turk_East
11.20445001 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.50892697 Arab_Iran
11.56549178 Dersim
11.65057938 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.89857554 Lebanese_Muslim
11.98585833 Syrian_Muslim
12.19492107 Nusayri_Turkey
12.27013040 Kurd_Sorani
12.48407385 Yazidi_Kurd
12.52598898 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.57392938 Kurd_Feyli
12.67000789 Lebanese_Christian
12.69082740 Turk_Southeast
Distance to: MJ2
4.88627670 Kurdish_Jew
5.44928436 Azeri_Jew
5.58678799 Assyrian_South
5.58772762 Iraqi_Jew
5.70465599 Assyrian_North
5.80186177 Mandean
5.94211242 Assyrian_West
8.49239071 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.05469491 Armenian_West
10.41952494 Nusayri_Turkey
10.48001431 Armenian_East
10.56676866 Turkmen_Iraq
10.57312158 Lebanese_Christian
10.64929575 Lebanese_Muslim
10.97216478 Syrian_Muslim
10.98230850 Turk_East
11.75248910 Arab_Iran
12.10985549 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.19234596 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.31618041 Palestinian_Christian
12.50528688 Dersim
12.64760452 Turk_Southeast
12.73457106 Syrian_SW_Christian
12.90941904 Iraqi_Arab
13.34590574 Jordanian_Christian
Distance to: MJ1
8.53715995 Turk_Cyprus
9.32326123 Turk_Central_East
9.43381683 Nusayri_Turkey
9.57719688 Turk_Central_West
9.74106257 Lebanese_Muslim
9.75420422 Turk_Southeast
10.69362427 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.93450959 Turk_South
11.27265718 Greek_Kos
11.30134063 Turk_East
11.44995196 Greek_Cappadocia
11.46470671 Lebanese_Christian
11.62903693 Greek_Rhodes
11.64997425 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.73093347 Syrian_Muslim
11.73832186 Greek_Cypriot
11.79752093 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.89223696 Greek_Crete
12.57568288 Turk_Southwest
12.57850945 Assyrian_West
12.76307957 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.87152672 Assyrian_South
13.05216840 Palestinian_Christian
13.13653303 Assyrian_North
13.14260629 Armenian_East
From these results there are individuals who plot relatively closely to lebanese muslims and christians than others, not to mention there is one that plots closest to turks and then levantines. In these cases there is an obvious mix but also the ones who have like 48-50 caucasus might have a little caucasus input as well. Even the georgian jewish sample I replied to a few pages back doesn't score that much caucasus...
It is just odd that this "tight" community from the nearby regions and the same country score this differently from each other.
MJ7 is clearly half Russian. I don't know why such individuals are even included in studies.
If you add 50% russian and 50% mountain jew some of the closest population groups you get are a few western turkish populations, bulgarians, moldovans and crimean tatars? Now I get what you mean by partly russian. Imo this mj7 has gotta have some southern european mixed with eastern slavic but definitely not 50% russian. He could even be part bulgarian. Also, other results seem pretty questionable for an average mountain jewish result. Again, mj1, mj8, mj11, mj17 seem to be moderately to very off from the average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, you do and the distance is not even that close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
Here is the average without MJ1 and MJ7
Distance to: Mountain_Jew_DagestanCode:Mountain_Jew_Dagestan,17.76,0.13,1.74,0.59,9.18,3.33,0.50,0.37,19.47,0.73,46.14,0.08
2.10848287 Azeri_Jew
2.42190008 Assyrian_South
2.52489604 Assyrian_North
2.92887350 Assyrian_West
3.71288298 Kurdish_Jew
4.67363884 Iraqi_Jew
4.79316180 Mandean
5.88870954 Armenian_West
7.89084913 Armenian_East
8.82691905 Turk_East
Distance to: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South
1.07063740 83.00% Iraqi_Jew + 17.00% Ossetian_South
1.20884264 86.20% Kurdish_Jew + 13.80% Ossetian
1.21126792 14.80% Abkhazian + 85.20% Kurdish_Jew
1.26775454 18.20% Abkhazian + 81.80% Iraqi_Jew
1.27187696 14.20% Adyghe + 85.80% Kurdish_Jew
1.38784725 20.00% Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti + 80.00% Kurdish_Jew
1.44103504 13.00% Karachay + 87.00% Kurdish_Jew
1.47000905 12.60% Balkar + 87.40% Kurdish_Jew
1.48413940 13.20% Circassian + 86.80% Kurdish_Jew
Target: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
Distance: 1.5690% / 1.56900054 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.7 Azeri_Jew
10.4 Syrian_Muslim
3.9 Ossetian
That wasn't my point. From the samples i mentioned in the post you replied to have either levantine shifts or even more "northern" anatolian/caucasus shifts. While mj1 and mj7 are exempt from the average, it gets more realistic, but individually it isn't only mj1 or mj7 that's considerably different.As you are saying for 50% russian 50% mountain jewish mj7 well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
All the others seem to be more or less pure. At least not 50 or 25 percent foreign. No ethnicity will be 100% monolithic or homogenous. A 2-3% variation is to be expected nearly everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesoman
Yes you can detect outliers and remove them. Then I can add pure average to Vahaduo.
I think what I just did should be good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South
Basically Babylonian/Persian Jew plus some Caucasian shift.
I dunno mate about persian jews being purely ancient babylonian Jewish. Even Iraqi jews aren't probably 100% ancient babylonian jewish. The difference might be 5-10% at max in iraqi jews and in persian jew a little bit more than that. As for the mountain jews in general they do show the closest affinity to kurdish jews, iranian jews out of all the other mizrahi jews. I don't know if they interbred with caucasians but they might have interbred slightly with iranians plotting them a tad north to persian and kurdish jews. As for the other results i mentioned in the previous post,imo there seems to be a difference worth of 5-15% either to the levantine side or the anatolian/caucasus side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
It is probably safe to say that any mountain jew who scores more caucasus and plots closer to all the 3 assyrian groups, azeri jews and both armenian groups along with eastern black sea turks, eastern turks and pontic greeks compared to georgian jews is around 15% caucasus admixed...
A new result from Azerbaijan. Father of this person is Azerbaijani from Fuzuli, while the mother is Crimean Tatar(although Tatar side might be additionally mixed with Ukrainian or something).
Apparently, Crimean Tatar mother has emigrated to Shusha, Azerbaijan in the early to mid 20th century.
Gedrosia 15.57 Pct
Siberian 1.31 Pct
Northwest_African 0.02 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.58 Pct
North_European 26.62 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.78 Pct
East_Asian 1.93 Pct
Caucasus 30.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Az_tatar
8.64134249 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.84439434 Turk_Trakya
10.81631176 Turk_Deliorman
12.70199197 Turk_Makedonya
13.61390466 Bulgarian_Thrace
14.12182354 Moldovan_Gagauz
14.23649887 Pomak_Greece
14.73410669 Turk_Northwest
14.79478962 Bulgarian_East
15.20058552 Greek_Peloponnese
15.64875714 Greek_Thessaloniki
15.84642231 Greek_Thrace
Distance to: Az_tatar
1.63120324 55.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 44.20% Bosnian
1.66903434 57.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 42.60% Croat_South
1.71991674 52.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 47.20% Moldovan_Central
1.75661164 60.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39.20% Slovenian
1.82816022 59.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 41.00% Croat
1.96627664 53.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 46.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
1.97539758 55.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 44.20% Moldovan_North
1.98305521 59.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 40.20% Hungarian
2.01263129 60.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39.40% Hungarian_Alföld
2.01393775 59.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 40.40% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
2.02950427 62.40% Azerbaijani_Republic + 37.60% Sorb_Lusatia
2.09843753 52.20% Moldovan_North + 47.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.09847203 63.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 36.40% Polish
2.14454045 61.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39.00% Hungarian_North
2.16165169 53.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 46.60% Serb
2.17466274 56.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 43.60% Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
2.18793174 59.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 40.20% Slovak
2.23338340 63.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 36.40% Polish
2.23716130 62.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 37.60% Sorb_Lusatia
2.27174752 55.60% Dersim + 44.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.27735814 48.80% Croat + 51.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.32830193 36.40% Lezgin + 63.60% Turk_Deliorman
2.34600781 38.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria + 61.40% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.34676621 57.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 42.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.37270393 64.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 35.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria
Yes for me is good results for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Iranian Jew:
Gedrosian: 20.70
Siberian: 0.52
Northwest_African: 3.36
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.52
North_European: 1.65
South_Asian 1.47
East_African 0.81
Southwest_Asian: 20.87
East_Asian: 0.35
Caucasian: 41.73
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Iranian_Jew
2.69247098 Mandean
5.19354407 Kurdish_Jew
5.51283049 Iraqi_Jew
5.79462682 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.33858817 Azeri_Jew
6.84339097 Assyrian_South
7.11629819 Assyrian_North
7.64423312 Assyrian_West
7.83693818 Turkmen_Iraq
9.30291352 Arab_Iran
10.01986527 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.27072052 Lebanese_Muslim
10.49387440 Syrian_Muslim
10.74404486 Yazidi_Kurd
10.92707189 Iranian_Lur
10.96409139 Kurd_Sorani
11.02999093 Armenian_West
11.04309286 Iraqi_Arab
11.06788146 Dersim
11.15551433 Kurd_Feyli
11.49000000 Nusayri_Turkey
12.08516446 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.12429379 Lebanese_Christian
12.17125712 Turk_Southeast
12.17237446 Turk_East
Target: Iranian_Jew
Distance: 0.9736% / 0.97363445 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.6 Mandean
19.1 Kurd_Feyli
4.0 Saudi
2.3 Algerian