Serbian autosomal DNA #2

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Originally Posted by Varda

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I will post it when I'm back from store

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Originally Posted by Varda

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That's a new sock puppet of Cumansky. I don't know why he needs a sock, the "Dirdepo" account is not banned as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by Leto

That's a new sock puppet of Cumansky. I don't know why he needs a sock, the "Dirdepo" account is not banned as far as I'm concerned.

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I assumed. :)

Davidski added 18 new Serbs to spreadsheet, I will run them now cause I'm back

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Originally Posted by RicoSuave

Davidski added 18 new Serbs to spreadsheet, I will run them now cause I'm back

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Sockpuppet, stop trolling this thread!

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Originally Posted by Varda

Sockpuppet, stop trolling this thread!

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Who is trolling?

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Originally Posted by Varda

For Serbs "northern" autosomalndna (Slavic + Germanic) is 60.8%

It's almost identical as I2 (39.2%) + R1a (14.1%) + I1 (8.1%) = 61.4% for ethnic Serbs on the sample of 2086 (source https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/y-dna...-ethnic-serbs/
https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/up...-Poreklo-1.png

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There is a huge discrepancy between my math and yours, what is going on here Varda???

18 New Serbian Samples Combined North Eurasian DNA:

Serbian729 - 34.2
Serbian728 - 43.4
Serbian727 - 31.2
Serbian726 - 34.2
Serbian725 - 37.8
Serbian724 - 34.0
Serbian723 - 37.8
Serbian722 - 31.6
Serbian721 - 41.0
Serbian720 - 38.0
Serbian719 - 47.0
Serbian718 - 29.8
Serbian717 - 40.6
Serbian715 - 32.2
Serbian713 - 32.4
Serbian712 - 38.4
Serbian711 - 37.8
Serbian710 - 28.2

There is 4/18 that exceed 40% North Eurasian DNA, the rest don't. Zero are at 50% North Eurasian DNA let that sink in zero are at 50%. 61.4% North Eurasian DNA is falsified information. I can post my sources they are academic.

Varda is a troll gtfo you liars, Bugarski Khan

Target: Serbian:710
Distance: 2.4880% / 0.02488031
32.2 Grcki
26.6 SevernoSlovenski
25.4 Bugarski
14.2 Africki
1.6 UralSkandinavski

Target: Serbian:719
Distance: 1.7003% / 0.01700315
50.2 Grcki
28.0 UralSkandinavski
19.0 SevernoSlovenski
2.8 Bugarski


I wrote that even in your language if you don't understand.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I think there was a first migration wave from Herzegovina which was more Slavic, and then in the following centuries there were additional waves which were less Slavic, because they came from the more isolated mountainous parts of Herzegovina (Drobnjak, Piva) and even from South Montenegro (Kuči, Vasojevići), also Kriči, which were from in between.

So Serbs in the Trebinje, Nevesinje etc, got the most from these following waves, and those in Banija, Northern Bosnia and Mačva the least, so they are actually closer to the original autosomal dna of Herzegovinians.

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Herzegovina as old homeland of Krajina families (haplogroup R1a-Z282) https://www.poreklo.rs/2021/04/02/he...rupa-r1a-z282/

Herzegovina as old homeland of Krajina families (haplogroup I2-Y3120) https://www.poreklo.rs/2021/03/31/he...rupa-i2-y3120/

Karlovac Serb.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...44/unknown.png

Serbian-American woman with all four grandparents born in Serbia, no locations listed.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...28/unknown.png

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Karlovac Serb.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...44/unknown.png

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Interesting, so low west-Asian score - 2%.

Seems all that went to east-Med

Bosnian Serb.
https://i.ibb.co/Cm4Cckz/Screenshot-...636-Chrome.jpg

Serb/Montenegrin (I don't know what he identified as) with ancestry from Plužine municipality in the historical region of (Old) Herzegovina.

Disclaimer: The kit is very old considering the man died way back in 2014! Still I feel this is worth seeing:

Spoiler!

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Kit M482405

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        27.67
2        North_Atlantic        26.65
3        West_Med        18.86
4        East_Med        12.23
5        West_Asian        10.78
6        Amerindian        1.32
7        Siberian        1.1
8        Red_Sea        1.06
9        Oceanian        0.25
10        South_Asian        0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Serbian        4.71
2        Romanian        6.42
3        Moldavian        7.01
4        Bulgarian        8.81
5        Hungarian        8.96
6        Croatian        9.22
7        Austrian        11.28
8        East_German        12.69
9        Ukrainian_Lviv        15.64
10        West_German        16.23
11        South_Polish        16.32
12        Greek_Thessaly        16.82
13        Ukrainian        16.95
14        French        17.49
15        North_Italian        17.57
16        South_Dutch        17.6
17        Tuscan        19.78
18        Polish        19.84
19        Portuguese        20.28
20        Spanish_Galicia        20.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                  72.6%        Moldavian        +        27.4%        North_Italian        @        2.49
2                  78.4%        Moldavian        +        21.6%        Spanish_Andalucia        @        2.95
3                  77.5%        Moldavian        +        22.5%        Spanish_Extremadura        @        3.27
4                  75.9%        Moldavian        +        24.1%        Tuscan        @        3.27
5                  79.1%        Moldavian        +        20.9%        Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha        @        3.36
6                  78.3%        Moldavian        +        21.7%        Spanish_Valencia        @        3.37
7                  78.5%        Moldavian        +        21.5%        Spanish_Murcia        @        3.42
8                  81.1%        Moldavian        +        18.9%        Spanish_Aragon        @        3.55
9                  76.8%        Moldavian        +        23.2%        Portuguese        @        3.55
10                  77.5%        Moldavian        +        22.5%        Spanish_Cataluna        @        3.6
11                  69.6%        Croatian        +        30.4%        Tuscan        @        3.6
12                  60.3%        Bulgarian        +        39.7%        East_German        @        3.62
13                  78.4%        Moldavian        +        21.6%        Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon        @        3.7
14                  79.3%        Moldavian        +        20.7%        Spanish_Cantabria        @        3.71
15                  87%        Moldavian        +        13%        Sardinian        @        3.74
16                  67.1%        Croatian        +        32.9%        North_Italian        @        3.76
17                  77.2%        Moldavian        +        22.8%        Spanish_Galicia        @        3.78
18                  70.1%        Romanian        +        29.9%        East_German        @        3.81
19                  72.4%        Croatian        +        27.6%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        3.83
20                  79.6%        Moldavian        +        20.4%        Southwest_French        @        3.91

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Originally Posted by Varda

Bosnian Serb.
https://i.ibb.co/Cm4Cckz/Screenshot-...636-Chrome.jpg

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His mixed mode on Gedmatch:
65.4% Ukrainian + 34.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.35


My mixed mode on Gedmatch:
68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.23

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Originally Posted by Dušan

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Could you post ancient admixture for new Serbian regional averages (early Slavic, paleo Balkan, early Germanic) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7182351

Interesting

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Originally Posted by Varda

Could you post ancient admixture for new Serbian regional averages (early Slavic, paleo Balkan, early Germanic) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7182351

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https://i.imgur.com/FLFcZs1.png




Version with only proto-Slavic and paleo-Balkan&Roman components:

https://i.imgur.com/DRlmiYD.png

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Originally Posted by Varda

Could you post ancient admixture for new Serbian regional averages (early Slavic, paleo Balkan, early Germanic) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7182351

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my version:
https://i.imgur.com/5LpQCIZ.png

samples:

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Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_654,7.09,2.22,16.31,23.17,40.56,8.38,1.57,0.01,0.5,0.07,0.12,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_655,5.53,1.84,16.56,30.06,37.43,7.43,0.01,0.07,1.07,0,0,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_656,7.23,2.74,12.41,34.16,36.8,4.84,1.74,0,0,0,0.08,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_657,4.88,4.52,20.21,27.79,34.7,4.59,3.06,0.03,0.2,0,0.01,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_658,4.56,4.4,17.97,27.79,41.33,3.73,0,0,0.03,0,0.19,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_659,7.98,2.53,19.26,29.73,32.9,5.41,0.37,0.52,0.13,0.69,0.48,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_660,6.24,0.02,15.22,29.4,38.49,7.21,0.27,0.53,1.88,0.02,0.73,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_661,9.43,3.52,16.24,27.55,35.32,6.35,1.14,0.37,0.07,0.01,0,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_662,3.56,6.69,16.65,24.62,38.25,6.92,0.71,0,2.46,0,0.15,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_663,3.66,2.59,18.77,32.28,37.15,3.33,1.84,0,0,0.01,0.37,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Niğde,6.37,5.18,20.97,27.44,33.36,5.71,0.07,0.15,0.39,0,0.36,0,0
Balkan_IA:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_,17.31,16.47,24.79,14.47,21.96,1.38,0.00,0.00,1.28,1.76,0.58,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11.78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.76,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.86,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19.7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
Balkan_IA:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2.73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.00,0.30
Balkan_IA:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3.47,0.98
Balkan_IA:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,20.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00
Early_Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00,1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Early_Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_,25.54,45.76,13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08,0.58,0.53,0.00
Early_Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Early_Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87
Early_Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Early_Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Kurevanikha_VK160,24.63,54.16,7.49,3.96,2.47,1.99,1.17,1.75,0.31,0.67,0,0.16,1.25
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK466,25.85,43.15,9.22,12.82,0,0,2.34,0.15,0,2.09,1.69,0,2.6
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Early_Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Early_Slavic:KRA011,29.56,50.68,8.38,2.39,2.54,1.03,1.30,0.14,0,1.40,1.27,1.10,0.21
Germanic:CL145_longobard_north_italy,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0,0,0,0.99,0.55,0
Germanic:CL146_Longobard_,54.56,25.16,9.41,4.77,1.52,0.92,1.25,0,0.63,0.55,0.4,0.83,0
Germanic:CL151_longobard_north_italy,55.73,27.25,6.83,4.75,0,2.45,1.17,0,0,0.6,1.22,0,0
Germanic:CL83_longobard_north_italy,50.79,24.89,12.46,6.2,0.71,2.68,0,1.18,0.2,0.26,0,0.63,0
Germanic:CL84_longobard_north_italy,51.4,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.3,1.75,0,0.85,0.83,0,0,0.44,0
Germanic:CL87_longobard_north_italy,48.19,22.34,15.47,5.32,3.89,2.63,0.53,0,0,0.79,0.09,0.66,0.09
Germanic:CL92_longobard_north_italy,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0,0,0.5,1.89,0,0.45,0.76,0
Germanic:CL93_longobard_north_italy,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0,1.17,0,0,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.3,0.75
Germanic:nuf002_Sigtuna_10_12_century_M_t1a1j_,54.09,26.67,18.01,0.27,0.82,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.15
Germanic:RISE174_Sweden_IA.SG_1431_ybp,48.47,30.87,7.8,5.77,0.58,0.36,2.19,0,1.18,1.06,0.56,0.17,1
Germanic:RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years_H3b_,56.03,22.04,13.67,7.71,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.56
Germanic:RISE97_Sweden_LN.SG_3905_ybp,47.46,26.69,11.55,4.1,2.77,1.8,1.48,0,0,1.17,1.54,0.01,1.43
Germanic:stg021_Sigtuna_,50.43,32.96,11.1,4.19,0.52,0,0.24,0.27,0,0.23,0,0,0
Germanic:stg026_Sigtuna_,55.35,38.11,6.54,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germanic:SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,45.71,26.53,12.76,12.49,0,0,0,0.46,0.52,0.58,0.66,0,0.28
Germanic:SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0,1.09,0,0,0.9,1.69,0,0
Germanic:SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22_1469_ybp,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0,1.86,0.46,0,0,1.6,0.7,0.3,0
Germanic:SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.24,21.95,12.92,11.46,1.94,1.53,0,0,0,0.7,0.46,0,1.81
Germanic:SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,49.81,25.15,10.68,7.88,0.66,1.04,2.67,1.49,0.62,0,0,0,0
Germanic:SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.5,0,0,1.35,0,0.85,0.66,0.45,0,0.21
Germanic:SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,52.77,32.44,5.78,5.42,0.27,0,0,0,0.31,0.34,0.89,1.25,0.53
Germanic:SZ22_Longobard_,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.8,0,0,0.17,2.66,0,0
Germanic:SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,50.05,22.89,10.04,6.96,5.21,0.14,2.36,0.88,0,0.65,0.16,0,0.66
Germanic:SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,50.8,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0,1.24,0,0.66,0,0
Germanic:SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0,0,0,0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0,1.5
Germanic:SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0,0.24
Germanic:SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.9,0.62,4.07,0,0.4,0.35,0,0,0
Germanic:urm035_Sigtuna_M_BCDE_h2a1c_,59.65,32.58,7.76,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germanic:vik_84001_Sweden_Viking.SG_989_ybp,48.64,32.31,8.02,4.27,3.03,0,0,0,1.51,1.62,0.46,0,0.14
Germanic:vik_84035_Sweden_Viking_fail.due.to.high.heterozygosity.SG_1078_ybp,40.65,27.97,13.4,6.46,1.32,1.56,2.09,0,2.89,1.06,0.74,0,1.86
Germanic:vik_grt035_Sweden_Viking.SG_996_ybp,53.09,24,12.1,6.14,0.74,1.43,0,0,0.51,1.16,0,0.83,0
Germanic:vik_kls001_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp,49.93,31.75,6.98,0.05,4.03,1.05,0.71,0.04,2.75,0,1.08,0.78,0.85
Germanic:vik_nuf002_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp,46.55,27.91,9.45,2.83,7.96,0.75,1.16,0.36,0,0.82,1.04,1.16,0
Germanic:vik_stg021_Sweden_Viking.SG_924_ybp,46.77,30.03,10.61,4.43,1.83,0.06,2.26,1.24,0.54,0.73,0.18,1.18,0.16

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

my version:
https://i.imgur.com/5LpQCIZ.png

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Interesting model; thanks and saved

Target	Distance		Balkan_IA	Early_Slavic	Germanic	Roman_Middle_east
IonBasescul_Merged	1.96645069	•	17.1	52.5	16.1	14.3
IonBasescul_MyHeritage	1.51197872	•	22.4	61.8	0.0	15.8
IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage	1.59265520	•	34.7	56.0	0.0	9.3
IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage	2.32851116	•	29.0	65.2	0.0	5.8
IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage	1.09376005	•	28.3	62.8	0.6	8.3

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

my version:
https://i.imgur.com/5LpQCIZ.png

samples:

Code:

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Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_654,7.09,2.22,16.31,23.17,40.56,8.38,1.57,0.01,0.5,0.07,0.12,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_655,5.53,1.84,16.56,30.06,37.43,7.43,0.01,0.07,1.07,0,0,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_656,7.23,2.74,12.41,34.16,36.8,4.84,1.74,0,0,0,0.08,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_657,4.88,4.52,20.21,27.79,34.7,4.59,3.06,0.03,0.2,0,0.01,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_658,4.56,4.4,17.97,27.79,41.33,3.73,0,0,0.03,0,0.19,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_659,7.98,2.53,19.26,29.73,32.9,5.41,0.37,0.52,0.13,0.69,0.48,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_660,6.24,0.02,15.22,29.4,38.49,7.21,0.27,0.53,1.88,0.02,0.73,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_661,9.43,3.52,16.24,27.55,35.32,6.35,1.14,0.37,0.07,0.01,0,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_662,3.56,6.69,16.65,24.62,38.25,6.92,0.71,0,2.46,0,0.15,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_663,3.66,2.59,18.77,32.28,37.15,3.33,1.84,0,0,0.01,0.37,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Niğde,6.37,5.18,20.97,27.44,33.36,5.71,0.07,0.15,0.39,0,0.36,0,0
Balkan_IA:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_,17.31,16.47,24.79,14.47,21.96,1.38,0.00,0.00,1.28,1.76,0.58,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11.78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.76,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.86,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19.7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
Balkan_IA:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2.73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.00,0.30
Balkan_IA:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3.47,0.98
Balkan_IA:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,20.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00
Early_Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00,1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Early_Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_,25.54,45.76,13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08,0.58,0.53,0.00
Early_Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Early_Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87
Early_Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Early_Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Kurevanikha_VK160,24.63,54.16,7.49,3.96,2.47,1.99,1.17,1.75,0.31,0.67,0,0.16,1.25
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK466,25.85,43.15,9.22,12.82,0,0,2.34,0.15,0,2.09,1.69,0,2.6
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Early_Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Early_Slavic:KRA011,29.56,50.68,8.38,2.39,2.54,1.03,1.30,0.14,0,1.40,1.27,1.10,0.21
Germanic:CL145_longobard_north_italy,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0,0,0,0.99,0.55,0
Germanic:CL146_Longobard_,54.56,25.16,9.41,4.77,1.52,0.92,1.25,0,0.63,0.55,0.4,0.83,0
Germanic:CL151_longobard_north_italy,55.73,27.25,6.83,4.75,0,2.45,1.17,0,0,0.6,1.22,0,0
Germanic:CL83_longobard_north_italy,50.79,24.89,12.46,6.2,0.71,2.68,0,1.18,0.2,0.26,0,0.63,0
Germanic:CL84_longobard_north_italy,51.4,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.3,1.75,0,0.85,0.83,0,0,0.44,0
Germanic:CL87_longobard_north_italy,48.19,22.34,15.47,5.32,3.89,2.63,0.53,0,0,0.79,0.09,0.66,0.09
Germanic:CL92_longobard_north_italy,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0,0,0.5,1.89,0,0.45,0.76,0
Germanic:CL93_longobard_north_italy,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0,1.17,0,0,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.3,0.75
Germanic:nuf002_Sigtuna_10_12_century_M_t1a1j_,54.09,26.67,18.01,0.27,0.82,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.15
Germanic:RISE174_Sweden_IA.SG_1431_ybp,48.47,30.87,7.8,5.77,0.58,0.36,2.19,0,1.18,1.06,0.56,0.17,1
Germanic:RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years_H3b_,56.03,22.04,13.67,7.71,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.56
Germanic:RISE97_Sweden_LN.SG_3905_ybp,47.46,26.69,11.55,4.1,2.77,1.8,1.48,0,0,1.17,1.54,0.01,1.43
Germanic:stg021_Sigtuna_,50.43,32.96,11.1,4.19,0.52,0,0.24,0.27,0,0.23,0,0,0
Germanic:stg026_Sigtuna_,55.35,38.11,6.54,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germanic:SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,45.71,26.53,12.76,12.49,0,0,0,0.46,0.52,0.58,0.66,0,0.28
Germanic:SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0,1.09,0,0,0.9,1.69,0,0
Germanic:SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22_1469_ybp,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0,1.86,0.46,0,0,1.6,0.7,0.3,0
Germanic:SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.24,21.95,12.92,11.46,1.94,1.53,0,0,0,0.7,0.46,0,1.81
Germanic:SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,49.81,25.15,10.68,7.88,0.66,1.04,2.67,1.49,0.62,0,0,0,0
Germanic:SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.5,0,0,1.35,0,0.85,0.66,0.45,0,0.21
Germanic:SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,52.77,32.44,5.78,5.42,0.27,0,0,0,0.31,0.34,0.89,1.25,0.53
Germanic:SZ22_Longobard_,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.8,0,0,0.17,2.66,0,0
Germanic:SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,50.05,22.89,10.04,6.96,5.21,0.14,2.36,0.88,0,0.65,0.16,0,0.66
Germanic:SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,50.8,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0,1.24,0,0.66,0,0
Germanic:SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0,0,0,0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0,1.5
Germanic:SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0,0.24
Germanic:SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.9,0.62,4.07,0,0.4,0.35,0,0,0
Germanic:urm035_Sigtuna_M_BCDE_h2a1c_,59.65,32.58,7.76,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germanic:vik_84001_Sweden_Viking.SG_989_ybp,48.64,32.31,8.02,4.27,3.03,0,0,0,1.51,1.62,0.46,0,0.14
Germanic:vik_84035_Sweden_Viking_fail.due.to.high.heterozygosity.SG_1078_ybp,40.65,27.97,13.4,6.46,1.32,1.56,2.09,0,2.89,1.06,0.74,0,1.86
Germanic:vik_grt035_Sweden_Viking.SG_996_ybp,53.09,24,12.1,6.14,0.74,1.43,0,0,0.51,1.16,0,0.83,0
Germanic:vik_kls001_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp,49.93,31.75,6.98,0.05,4.03,1.05,0.71,0.04,2.75,0,1.08,0.78,0.85
Germanic:vik_nuf002_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp,46.55,27.91,9.45,2.83,7.96,0.75,1.16,0.36,0,0.82,1.04,1.16,0
Germanic:vik_stg021_Sweden_Viking.SG_924_ybp,46.77,30.03,10.61,4.43,1.83,0.06,2.26,1.24,0.54,0.73,0.18,1.18,0.16

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Wow,a fantastic model, maybe best so far!

I think it's very realistic for me and Stears (I just added Turkic samples for him)

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.3156% / 2.31557371

55.1 Early_Slavic
32.4 Balkan_IA
12.5 Germanic

Target: Stears
Distance: 0.2045% / 0.20454026

50.2 Early_Slavic
19.6 Germanic
15.4 Roman_Middle_east
8.7 Balkan_IA
6.1 Turkic

https://i.imgur.com/aKP0zvC.png

Target: i
Distance: 162.5141% / 1.62514097
62.8 Early_Slavic
32.2 Balkan_IA
5.0 Germanic

i think the germanic acts weird in this model. :D there's either zero or too much of it. feel free to edit the model.

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I had to play with references to stabilize the result. Interesting enough.

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 2.0956% / 2.09557427 | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.2 Early_Slavic
26.5 Balkan_IA
23.9 Turkic
21.4 Roman_Middle_east

Target: Kaspias_dad
Distance: 2.1036% / 2.10356375 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.3 Balkan_IA
36.8 Turkic
9.9 Roman_Middle_east

Target: Kaspias_mom_phased
Distance: 2.0829% / 2.08294503 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Early_Slavic
35.9 Roman_Middle_east
13.7 Balkan_IA

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I had to play with references to stabilize the result. Interesting enough.

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could you post your version of the references?

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you post your version of the references?

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I did not save actually but there were just a few changes. I re-tagged Germanic as Balkan_IA but keep all Germanic populations. It is not likely in Thrace to have actual Germanic admixture, therefore I evaluated Germanic as a sign of Balkanic ancestry. Plus added these for the Turkic:

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DA222_Kazakhstan_Karluk.SG_1100_ybp,4.94,10.15,1.07,23.37,3.74,0.24,7.81,14.77,30.12,2.05,0.44,0.10,1.21
DA230_Kazakhstan_Karluk.SG_1100_ybp,9.14,9.82,0.00,20.60,3.24,3.16,7.31,18.95,24.40,1.38,0.44,0.00,1.55
DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak.SG_1262_ybp,7.65,17.51,0.00,21.58,0.59,0.02,4.74,12.33,29.73,3.74,1.68,0.42,0.00
MA2195_Anatolia_Ottoman1.SG_3800_ybp,6.20,11.13,1.57,20.68,7.55,1.59,3.07,13.85,29.99,3.50,0.48,0.00,0.39
DA203_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid.SG_1000_ybp,4.19,11.56,0.00,19.56,7.30,0.00,6.79,16.71,29.01,4.42,0.46,0.00,0.00
DA204_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid.SG_998_ybp,10.92,11.20,0.00,21.42,0.00,0.28,8.28,13.89,29.07,3.41,0.00,1.23,0.30
DA205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid.SG_1000_ybp,8.66,8.83,0.00,15.05,3.93,0.00,6.86,20.40,31.37,2.74,0.67,0.88,0.61
DA142_Russia_Nomad_Med.SG_1000_ybp,14.61,21.44,2.01,17.50,0.00,1.10,5.31,8.40,25.72,2.26,1.14,0.50,0.00

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Target: Milenko
Distance: 156.9968% / 1.56996796 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.8 Balkan_IA
47.2 Early_Slavic

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Originally Posted by Milenko

Target: Milenko
Distance: 156.9968% / 1.56996796 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.8 Balkan_IA
47.2 Early_Slavic

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try it without the adc

Bosnian Serb result.

https://i.ibb.co/7N4ZDsy/20200426-001840-2.jpg

this person's ancestors moved from Montenegro (Tepca, possibly some other places too) to Sijarina, Southern Serbia, at the end of the 19th century. Then after WW2, most of the families from that village migrated to Srpski Miletic, in the northernmost part of Serbia.

Troughout all these migrations it was only families from Montenegro migrating together and intermarrying with each other, so she's actually still of fully Montnegrin ancestry.

Population
North_Atlantic 30.64 Pct
Baltic 22.99 Pct
West_Med 18.8 Pct
West_Asian 9.82 Pct
East_Med 15.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_Asian 1.83 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.24 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A family from Banat, mostly Serbian, with some Romanian and Swabian ancestry.

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub0Saharan
27.4	28.58	16.44	9.63	12.38	2.19	0.43	0.84	0.19	1.9	0	0	0
23.91	28.11	18.87	8.83	14.51	1.71	0.29	0.61	0	2.7	0	0.47	0
31.15	27.3	17.53	7.9	12.45	0.56	0.71	0.95	0	1.39	0.07	0	0

Unusual haplogroup, Q-L713. The paternal line has a Serbian surname.

results from western Serbia (Zlatibor, Moravica, Kolubara)
haplogroup https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A7993/

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub0Saharan
19.84	32.64	16.27	9.05	21.02	0	0.14	0.19	0.54	0.32	0	0	0
27.45	28.16	19.37	6.34	16.51	0	0	0	1.63	0.12	0.1	0	0.35
24.23	29.48	14.81	11.48	16.4	2.44	0	0.63	0.2	0.32	0	0	0
25.66	30.3	17.18	5.52	16.52	1.05	1.24	1.17	0.5	0.12	0	0.4	0.3
22.36	29.94	19.53	11.54	13.05	0	0.41	2.22	0	0.87	0.08	0	0

Three samples of Serb-Americans with Dalmatian Serb roots. First one is niece? Of Nanich.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...08/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...87/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...27/unknown.png

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

A family from Banat, mostly Serbian, with some Romanian and Swabian ancestry.

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub0Saharan
27.4	28.58	16.44	9.63	12.38	2.19	0.43	0.84	0.19	1.9	0	0	0
23.91	28.11	18.87	8.83	14.51	1.71	0.29	0.61	0	2.7	0	0.47	0
31.15	27.3	17.53	7.9	12.45	0.56	0.71	0.95	0	1.39	0.07	0	0

Unusual haplogroup, Q-L713. The paternal line has a Serbian surname.

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I do wonder if these Serbs who are under L713 but from different regions match with each other or have a different haplotype? I'm trying to guess what population might bring it to the region but can not make a certain evaluation as I do not know the pre-Ottoman registers of Serbia. The clade's itself found in the medieval Turks, Avars from Hungary, Huns from various regions, either a Proto Bulgar or Avar from Bulgaria as well as having an origin from Iron Age Altay. Strong presence within Hungarians, Romanians, and Serbians may indicate more than one source for it -if haplotypes are diverse- or a strong connection with a particular group I mentioned previously.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I do wonder if these Serbs who are under L713 but from different regions match with each other or have a different haplotype? I'm trying to guess what population might bring it to the region but can not make a certain evaluation as I do not know the pre-Ottoman registers of Serbia. The clade's itself found in the medieval Turks, Avars from Hungary, Huns from various regions, either a Proto Bulgar or Avar from Bulgaria as well as having an origin from Iron Age Altay. Strong presence within Hungarians, Romanians, and Serbians may indicate more than one source for it -if haplotypes are diverse- or a strong connection with a particular group I mentioned previously.

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Serb/Montenegrin tribe Bratonožići is Q1bL274>L275>F1213>M378>Y2016>L245>Y2209>FGC2020

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratonožići

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I do wonder if these Serbs who are under L713 but from different regions match with each other or have a different haplotype? I'm trying to guess what population might bring it to the region but can not make a certain evaluation as I do not know the pre-Ottoman registers of Serbia. The clade's itself found in the medieval Turks, Avars from Hungary, Huns from various regions, either a Proto Bulgar or Avar from Bulgaria as well as having an origin from Iron Age Altay. Strong presence within Hungarians, Romanians, and Serbians may indicate more than one source for it -if haplotypes are diverse- or a strong connection with a particular group I mentioned previously.

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I couldn't find much info on the forum or website. It's found in Macedonia and Southern Serbia as well. So this man is more likely to originate from there (since that's where Vojvodina Serbs come from), and not from a Serbianized Hungarian or Romanian.
Maybe it has something to do with Kumanovo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumanovo#Etymology

A Serbian man from Srem. The kit is linked to his wikitree:

Spoiler!

Code:

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 Kit KX9127447

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        28.47
2        East_Med        20.51
3        North_Atlantic        20.25
4        West_Med        17.62
5        West_Asian        8.98
6        Red_Sea        2.74
7        Amerindian        0.76
8        Siberian        0.48
9        Oceanian        0.12
10        Sub-Saharan        0.07

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Bulgarian        4.95
2        Romanian        5.87
3        Serbian        7.6
4        Moldavian        10.85
5        Greek_Thessaly        12.26
6        Croatian        13.51
7        Hungarian        14.84
8        Austrian        18.44
9        Tuscan        18.7
10        Central_Greek        19.23
11        North_Italian        19.28
12        Ukrainian_Lviv        19.48
13        Italian_Abruzzo        19.59
14        East_German        19.83
15        East_Sicilian        20.35
16        South_Polish        20.51
17        Ukrainian        20.53
18        West_Sicilian        20.56
19        Ashkenazi        21
20        Southwest_Russian        23.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                  65.8%        Greek_Thessaly        +        34.2%        Southwest_Russian        @        2.95
2                  72%        Greek_Thessaly        +        28%        Lithuanian        @        2.96
3                  68.1%        Greek_Thessaly        +        31.9%        Estonian_Polish        @        2.98
4                  68.7%        Greek_Thessaly        +        31.3%        Belorussian        @        3.15
5                  57.2%        Central_Greek        +        42.8%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.27
6                  68%        Greek_Thessaly        +        32%        Russian_Smolensk        @        3.3
7                  66.3%        Greek_Thessaly        +        33.7%        Ukrainian_Belgorod        @        3.31
8                  57.9%        Ukrainian        +        42.1%        Algerian_Jewish        @        3.31
9                  50.6%        Ukrainian        +        49.4%        Ashkenazi        @        3.35
10                  52%        South_Italian        +        48%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.38
11                  56.6%        South_Italian        +        43.4%        Lithuanian        @        3.42
12                  61.7%        Central_Greek        +        38.3%        Lithuanian        @        3.42
13                  55%        Southwest_Russian        +        45%        Algerian_Jewish        @        3.55
14                  55.8%        East_Sicilian        +        44.2%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.55
15                  63.3%        Greek_Thessaly        +        36.7%        Ukrainian        @        3.57
16                  57.9%        Central_Greek        +        42.1%        Belorussian        @        3.59
17                  50.6%        Southwest_Russian        +        49.4%        South_Italian        @        3.6
18                  60.3%        East_Sicilian        +        39.7%        Lithuanian        @        3.62
19                  52.7%        Russian_Smolensk        +        47.3%        Algerian_Jewish        @        3.67
20                  54.6%        Central_Greek        +        45.4%        Southwest_Russian        @        3.68

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I found one of your Bosansko Grahovo Serbian samples https://i.ibb.co/6N1mdS7/20200318-153619.jpg

His paternal ancestors settled in Grahovo from Strmica (in the second half of 19th century i think)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strmica,_Croatia
According to Aleksandar Bačko deeper origin of paternal line of family is from one island near Zadar from where they moved to Strmica in 18th century. They celebrate Đurđevdan and surname is quite specific. Surname was present in both places Strmica and Grahovo until 1995 (both places were full Serbian).