Ashkenazi Jews are only 1/4 Israelite

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Originally Posted by Johnson Reed

Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood too, Jews have MENA from mixing with Southern Italians

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Too bad we dont have any more Italians from the South to see and comment such claims... :bored:

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Originally Posted by MinervaItalica

Too bad we dont have any more Italians from the South to see and comment such claims... :bored:

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It's objectively true. You're from the North, why do you even care?

https://i.ibb.co/tb9vjVh/Southern-Italians.png

We have yet to discover how much of that Levantine is legit Israelite though. xPhoencian, xAmorite, xMoabite… the real stat could be much much lower than that. I remember the 70% Levantine stat going around in the past.. then it was changed to 50% Levantine. Then, as for now, 20% Levantine. It’s important to remember to that Samaritans aren’t fully Israelite themselves.

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Originally Posted by libal

We have yet to discover how much of that Levantine is legit Israelite though. xPhoencian, xAmorite, xMoabite… the real stat could be much much lower than that. I remember the 70% Levantine stat going around in the past.. then it was changed to 50% Levantine. Then, as for now, 20% Levantine. It’s important to remember to that Samaritans aren’t fully Israelite themselves.

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What else are Samaritans mixed with?

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Originally Posted by Johnson Reed

What else are Samaritans mixed with?

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Target: Samaritan

Distance: 1.3647% / 0.01364671

81.0 South_Levant_BA

11.2 Mesopotamia_BA

4.4 Tajik_Yaghnobi

3.4 Italy_Imperial.SG

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Originally Posted by libal

Target: Samaritan

Distance: 1.3647% / 0.01364671

81.0 South_Levant_BA

11.2 Mesopotamia_BA

4.4 Tajik_Yaghnobi

3.4 Italy_Imperial.SG

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Mesopotamian I can understand, but why the Turkic and Imperial Roman?

Resultados askenazis de papá en FTDNA:

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Medio Oriente y África del Norte
<1%
África del Norte
Magreb y Egipto
<1%
Oriente Medio
Anatolia, Armenia y Mesopotamia
<1%

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I remember it was great when I saw Mesopotamia in my father's genetic results, it was lucky to test him in FTDNA and the result of an Italian ancestor in 23andMe, which could well be some European Jew that 23andMe confuses with Italian, we will see later, Mesopotamians are the descendants of our Ashkenazi ancestors who arrived in Spain in relatively modern times through Y DNA, it is also fortunate that the rest of Europe has a thousand times more haplogroups E than Spain, where except perhaps the E-M81 most of them have come to us through other European countries.

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Originally Posted by Johnson Reed

Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood too, Jews have MENA from mixing with Southern Italians in addition to their original Israelite MENA. Surprised that this guy is almost 59% MENA, that's very high for an Ashkenazi.

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Yes, his East Med is very high, usually Eastern European Ashkenazim score 33-38 percent. However, the Rothschilds are a German Jewish family originally, I don't know how much they have mixed with Jews from Eastern Europe as well as non-Jews since then.

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Originally Posted by Johnson Reed

It's objectively true. You're from the North, why do you even care?

https://i.ibb.co/tb9vjVh/Southern-Italians.png

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I dont (coz it is bullshit anyway) but It is my country you talking about so when someone spout shit either from North or South i actually care. If you go South Italy telling them they have "MENA blood" they beat you at best. :D

Do u seriously think i trust some random chart online that can be manipulated? :bored:
They are not trustable nor representative and i dont give a shit unless approved by Italian scolars as well.

I only trust history facts not these datas.

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Originally Posted by MinervaItalica

I dont (coz it is bullshit anyway) but It is my country you talking about so when someone spout shit either from North or South i actually care. If you go South Italy telling them they have "MENA blood" they beat you at best. :D

Do u seriously think i trust some random chart online that can be manipulated? :bored:
They are not trustable nor representative and i dont give a shit unless approved by Italian scolars as well.

I only trust history facts not these datas.

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Italy is not exactly an understudied country. In fact, it's the opposite. There have been international studies on Italian genetics and you can find a myriad of individual Italians who have taken DNA tests themselves. Sure you're never gonna have 60 million people tested but the amount of data we have right now is more than enough to come to certain conclusions. Why resist the facts? I can tell you that as a Russian I too once had to change my view of my people's origin when I started to learn more about our genetics and my own ancestry. Some deep-seated misconceptions had to be cast aside, some new facts had to be acknowledged instead. It's not like my whole world was shattered though.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Italy is not exactly an understudied country. In fact, it's the opposite. There have been international studies on Italian genetics and you can find a myriad of individual Italians who have taken DNA tests themselves. Sure you're never gonna have 60 million people tested but the amount of data we have right now is more than enough to come to certain conclusions. Why resist the facts?

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We dont know anything about the people who took dna tests if they are fully italian or not. Numbers and tests can be manipulated especially if found online and posted on these forums and these charts are only accepted and discussed on these kind of forums, they have no meaning outside. Hardly can be considered facts...

Saying that "Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood" like user above claimed is very laughtable.

So, unless these charts are confirmed and accepted widely even in real world and even by Italian scolars it will be hard to convince me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by MinervaItalica

We dont know anything about the people who took dna tests if they are fully italian or not. Numbers and tests can be manipulated especially if found online and posted on these forums and these charts are only accepted and discussed on these kind of forums, they have no meaning outside. Hardly can be considered facts...

Saying that "Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood" like user above claimed is very laughtable.

So, unless these charts are confirmed and accepted widely even in real world and even by Italian scolars it will be hard to convince me otherwise.

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Well, going by that logic you can say the same about almost anything. It's like some people who (rightly) distrust the mainstream media and the government but they do it so much that they go to extremes not believing any single word they read or hear from those people. That's not very healthy in my opinion.
Regarding the Italians, I think a well-known international study found out Imperial Rome had a fucking lot of Middle Easterners from the east of the empire. Also, Southern Italy is just geographically very close to the Middle East and North Africa, obviously it's expected that they'd score more of that stuff than, say, Lombardians or Tyroleans, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, going by that logic you can say the same about almost anything. It's like some people who (rightly) distrust the mainstream media and the government but they do it so much that they go to extremes not believing any single word they read or hear from those people. That's not very healthy in my opinion.

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This is what people on this forum do, believe every single chart is posted without any actual trustable study or source. So are you saying that these forums and datas found nowhere in real world are more trustable? Please...
Id trust more a dna scolar in my country real life than OP on a forum like this tbh...

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Originally Posted by Leto

Regarding the Italians, I think a well-known international study found out Imperial Rome had a fucking lot of Middle Easterners from the east of the empire.

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lol cmon...
Perhaps Romans who married middle easterners stayed there and didnt return in Italy many Romans did, they preferred to remain in provinces perhaps middle easterners actually have italic blood :rolleyes:
They mixed with other people as well not only middle easterners but strangely these are never counted...

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Originally Posted by Leto

Also, Southern Italy is just geographically very close to the Middle East and North Africa, obviously it's expected that they'd score more of that stuff than, say, Lombardians or Tyroleans, don't you think?

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Well not really close... there is a lot of sea between... but in any case geography location doesnt means much but marriages and mixing do now if you can prove the majority of Southern Italians actually married/mixed with ME so much to change the gene pool i would agree with you.

Im not saying they have 0 ME blood but definitely not "LOT".

Some Jews entered Rome in 200BC. I believe they got mixed with "pristine Italic" types at the same time "C6" was being created. I could be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Jankec

I consider some Jewish groups as very strange, like Ethiopian Jews who are Black, Bukharian Jews from Uzebekistan, there are even Jews in India and China. All of them have settled Israel and live there now. I don't know how these groups were created and whether they are related to other Jews (Ashkenazi and Sephardi). I guess they are not.
There are also fake Jews in Israel who are actually Russians or Ukrainians.

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Kaifeng Jews, Bukharian Jews, Malabari Jews, Paradesi Jews, and Mumbai Jews all have uniparental links to the rest of world Jewry. Haven't seen autosomal results of Kaifeng Jews - but the aforementioned all have significant Levantine autosomal ancestry. At this point, believing otherwise is very much cope.

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Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME

Kaifeng Jews, Bukharian Jews, Malabari Jews, Paradesi Jews, and Mumbai Jews all have uniparental links to the rest of world Jewry. Haven't seen autosomal results of Kaifeng Jews - but the aforementioned all have significant Levantine autosomal ancestry. At this point, believing otherwise is very much cope.

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"Believe what I say…"

"Otherwise, it’s a cope."

Neat display.

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Originally Posted by Victor

Jews is not a regular tribe/nation, both now and when they were chosen Israelite people out of tribes. Regular national measures won't work with them, and yes they're Jews unless they have direct Jewish ancestry defined by mother, nothing else needed.

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Only their mothers are European. There was a huge scandal in the Jewish community after publication of mtDNA data for Ashkenazi. They still refuse to believe their maternal lineages are European.

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Originally Posted by Vessna

Only their mothers are European. There was a huge scandal in the Jewish community after publication of mtDNA data for Ashkenazi. They still refuse to believe their maternal lineages are European.

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Ashkenazi are mainly Imperial Age Italians (Southern Italian with Levantine)

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Originally Posted by libal

"Believe what I say…"

"Otherwise, it’s a cope."

Neat display.

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Cope and seethe.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-FGC4992/tree -- Malabari
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-Z39660/tree -- Paradesi
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-ZS4292/tree -- Paradesi
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-FT14557/tree -- Kaifeng
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-FTF9916/tree -- Kaifeng

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, going by that logic you can say the same about almost anything. It's like some people who (rightly) distrust the mainstream media and the government but they do it so much that they go to extremes not believing any single word they read or hear from those people. That's not very healthy in my opinion.
Regarding the Italians, I think a well-known international study found out Imperial Rome had a fucking lot of Middle Easterners from the east of the empire. Also, Southern Italy is just geographically very close to the Middle East and North Africa, obviously it's expected that they'd score more of that stuff than, say, Lombardians or Tyroleans, don't you think?

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obviously, Rome at the time was like modern New York, there were many migrants from all over the known world, but that study i saw also says that Middle Eastern people disappeared after the fall of Rome. I partially agree that genetics and this type of graphs can be easily manipulated especially for a heterogeneous country like Italy but I don't deny that there are influences from the ancient Middle East in Italy, obviously there are espcially in the far south the near east influence is very big. even the Romans said they were the mixture between the Latin and Trojan people, this sums up Italian genetics better than all these graphics and percentages.

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Originally Posted by Marco1900

even the Romans said they were the mixture between the Latin and Trojan people, this sums up Italian genetics better than all these graphics and percentages.

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Romans loved to link themself to Trojans due to their legacy. That is part of the legend.
Romans loved to glorify their origins, I dont think those kind of things can be used as source.

Is it fair to say the Jews are continuation of the Romans?

Credo pero che quella storia abbia un po di veritá, almeno il periodo imperiale i latini e gli italici si mischiarono con un popolo dell oriente come i greci e gli anatolici. Gli italiani moderni sono in generale un mic di questi due, con al nord che c'é un po di influenza celto/germanica e al sud qualcosa di medio-orientale in eccesso

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Originally Posted by libal

Is it fair to say the Jews are continuation of the Romans?

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No

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Originally Posted by Marco1900

Credo pero che quella storia abbia un po di veritá, almeno il periodo imperiale i latini e gli italici si mischiarono con un popolo dell oriente come i greci e gli anatolici. Gli italiani moderni sono in generale un mic di questi due, con al nord che c'é un po di influenza celto/germanica e al sud qualcosa di medio-orientale in eccesso

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They mixed with all conquered populations not only from ME this is what an empire usually do. That being said not much to change Italian gene pool or to make them have LOT of "MENA blood", whatever MENA blood is...
Also Romans used to live in provinces as well perhaps the one that mixed arent the Italian ones...

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Originally Posted by Dušan

How about this model:

cca 35% Samaritan, almost 60% central Italian and few percentage Slavic.

And no Slavic admixture among those in France and Germany, what is logical.
Later they moved from FR and DE to Slavic lands.

https://i.imgur.com/7eBOAYW.png

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Seems I was right with cca 35%


Illustrative DNA full Askenazi result from Reddit:
Bronze Age: 32% Canaanite
Iron Age: 32.4% Phoenician
Migration period: 37% Roman Levant

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativ...ic_at_the_end/

Interesting he got 3% East Asian.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

How about this model:

cca 35% Samaritan, almost 60% central Italian and few percentage Slavic.

And no Slavic admixture among those in France and Germany, what is logical.
Later they moved from FR and DE to Slavic lands.

https://i.imgur.com/7eBOAYW.png

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The issue is that the Italians at the time that Jews mixed with them were akin to modern South Italians, not modern Central Italians.

I believe the ethnogenesis of modern Italians happened concurrently in Italy with that of European Jews, from the same mixture of Iron Age Italians and Levantines. From what I've seen Iron Age Italians were North Italian/Iberian-like across the peninsula (maybe the Greek settlements in the South were already East Med shifted, but Latium is the most important area), so I believe that is primarily what the paternal ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews mixed with.

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Originally Posted by Johnson Reed

The issue is that the Italians at the time that Jews mixed with them were akin to modern South Italians, not modern Central Italians.

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the italians they mixed with were more "Northern" because if they mixed with Italians that were ethnically south italian, they wouldn't be so close to them

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Originally Posted by Ketchup

the italians they mixed with were more "Northern" because if they mixed with Italians that were ethnically south italian, they wouldn't be so close to them

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They are also ~15% Central European.

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Originally Posted by Johnson Reed

The issue is that the Italians at the time that Jews mixed with them were akin to modern South Italians, not modern Central Italians.

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Check their result on Illustrative DNA.

This one got over 40% Canaanite/Phoenician/Roman Levant

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativ...ts_pic_at_end/


36-38%

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativ...ewish_results/

etc

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Originally Posted by Demirkazık

https://i.ibb.co/fFvxKwQ/floorp-9jd7iqvu-Lu.png

This is a better model for Ashkenazi Jews and Europeans. Most of the samples are from the Imperial Roman Age.

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Anatolian:Ḫattuša,0.1064245,0.152837,-0.0422375,-0.0686375,-0.0089245,-0.0192435,-0.00188,-0.0061155,-0.0068515,0.022871,0.0043035,0.0018735,-0.0165755,0.0086015,-0.013097,-0.004309,0.0048895,-0.002787,0.0017595,-0.005315,-0.0009355,-0.0005565,-0.0023415,0.0019885,-0.00455
Caucasian,0.1052865,0.13405,-0.0671275,-0.034238,-0.0533945,-0.0029285,0.013043,-0.006346,-0.0766965,-0.033805,0.0006495,0.013413,-0.0260155,-0.000275,0.004886,-0.0207505,0.012843,-0.000507,-0.010496,0.019134,0.017906,-0.0011745,-0.0043755,-0.0147005,-0.0044905
Balkan:Moesian,0.121791,0.1590993,0.0131993,-0.0301467,0.0321083,-0.0135727,0.00235,0.0030767,0.003886,0.0335313,0.0061707,0.0105907,-0.0143213,-0.0014223,-0.02072,-0.0010163,0.0149073,0.0019847,0.008799,-0.0065863,-0.0112303,0.008079,-0.00341,0.003414,-0.0011577
Roman:Rome,0.1088434,0.1515678,-0.0004242,-0.0366605,0.019388,-0.0162105,-0.0015569,-0.0043556,0.0053178,0.0234401,0.0005072,0.004496,-0.0079534,-0.0013245,-0.0066334,-0.0028674,0.002298,-0.0005541,0.0020742,-0.0000311,-0.0012011,0.0005101,0.0034815,-0.0015364,-0.0007185
Roman:Picenum,0.1104085,0.1500445,0.0028282,-0.0457045,0.0199268,-0.0171518,0.0000588,-0.002423,0.0099192,0.0283832,0.0051558,0.0056952,-0.0081022,-0.0020642,-0.006311,-0.004707,0.0022492,-0.0002215,0.0046822,-0.0014068,-0.0035565,0.003246,-0.0032045,-0.002952,-0.0039815
Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe,0.0902048,0.1409048,-0.0628848,-0.0776008,-0.027005,-0.0253092,0.0018212,-0.0072692,-0.010584,0.0013668,0.0073888,-0.003709,0.0090312,-0.000757,-0.0025785,0.0126955,-0.0007825,0.0027238,0.003771,-0.0038455,0.0045858,0.002195,-0.0052995,-0.0013858,0.0025445
Canaanite,0.0840665,0.148393,-0.0634209,-0.1014829,-0.0118078,-0.0396034,-0.0043807,-0.0094099,0.013829,0.0086646,0.0101956,-0.0108203,0.0216497,0.0046582,-0.0096671,0.0086647,-0.0030674,0.0020017,0.002749,0.0064067,0.0042414,0.0053394,-0.0035185,-0.0008072,-0.0001107
Celtic:Insular:Roscommon,0.1265792,0.1315286,0.0600402,0.0508447,0.0368238,0.0178875,0.000705,0.0048618,0.0043937,0.0011438,-0.0062604,0.0071419,-0.0153941,-0.0164436,0.0252954,0.007832,-0.0080209,0.0015596,0.0018855,0.0036828,0.0051288,0.0038034,0.0013388,0.0119334,-0.0005368
Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul,0.1277096,0.1367916,0.057624,0.0362406,0.0469625,0.0108209,0.005499,0.0028846,0.0085288,0.0121734,-0.0034263,0.0071935,-0.0125322,-0.008794,0.0130562,-0.0031025,-0.0104828,0.0017104,0.0024637,-0.0009129,0.0050038,0.0049585,-0.0013803,-0.0012772,-0.0015806
Germanic:Öland,0.1255306,0.1260707,0.0751547,0.0613239,0.0448874,0.0220723,0.0060429,0.0101864,0.005376,-0.0036186,-0.0041293,-0.000942,-0.0037801,0.0015729,0.0162863,0.0066106,-0.0052527,0.0024253,0.0064287,0.0067174,0.0068091,0.0015016,0.0011444,0.0097604,-0.0000686
Germanic:Nordland,0.133173,0.127957,0.073916,0.063308,0.046162,0.019801,0.003055,0.003,0.003068,-0.009112,-0.014615,0.002997,-0.010258,-0.009634,0.027144,0.007425,-0.002477,0.001774,0.003771,0.01088,0.007487,0.005564,0.000246,0.010122,-0.005149
Germanic:Zealand,0.127482,0.131003,0.066185,0.066538,0.042931,0.0214745,0.0027025,0.0129225,0.00859,-0.010934,-0.003816,0.0080175,-0.0043855,-0.004542,0.0217835,0.007027,-0.0131685,0.008488,0.005091,0.0075035,0.0086725,0.007172,0.001171,0.013315,0.0015565
Balto-Slavic:Baltic,0.1305171,0.1268283,0.1001044,0.1110769,0.048385,0.0399124,0.0145449,0.0188197,-0.000568,-0.0488596,-0.0003249,-0.0189164,0.0329201,0.0433512,-0.0168293,0.0013113,0.0021294,-0.0014498,-0.0003212,0.0077817,-0.0024957,-0.0051934,0.0092299,-0.0223726,0.0025412
Balto-Slavic:Slavic,0.135449,0.128972,0.080704,0.063954,0.034776,0.034025,0.006815,0.007615,0.009613,-0.02041,-0.001461,-0.005245,0.010852,0.026561,-0.014658,-0.002254,0.002347,0.001267,0.01081,-0.001751,0.001622,-0.002844,0.009613,-0.008314,0.005389
Turkic:Oghuz,0.070001,-0.178733,0.052797,0.007106,-0.0438545,-0.0110165,0.0047,0.0119995,-0.010942,-0.0073805,-0.0178625,-0.002173,0.00171,-0.0099775,0.0026465,0.002254,-0.0065845,0.002597,0.011753,0.0106925,-0.020713,-0.000804,-0.0109075,-0.0024705,-0.001497

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Distance to: Repent:RealG25_scaled
0.04838956 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
0.06287801 Germanic:Öland
0.07250244 Germanic:Zealand
0.07397683 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
0.07679630 Germanic:Nordland
0.07859668 Celtic:Insular:Roscommon
0.10182511 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
0.12836235 Balkan:Moesian
0.13185887 Roman:Rome
0.13829351 Roman:Picenum
0.18019243 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
0.20073038 Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe
0.20639223 Caucasian
0.21934483 Canaanite
0.31347970 Turkic:Oghuz

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.5986% / 0.02598634
61.6 Balto-Slavic
20.4 Balkan
7.8 Turkic
4.4 Anatolian
3.2 Germanic
1.4 Canaanite
1.2 Caucasian

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Well, I checked Roman samples from Illustrative DNA from mine area:

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Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514,0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344,0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Viminacium:R9669,0.117238,0.144205,0.017725,-0.012274,0.028928,-0.001116,0,0.009,0.001432,0.021868,0.005196,0.008243,-0.012785,-0.005643,-0.011672,0.001724,0.004172,0.005954,0.00905,-0.005753,-0.013851,0.013354,-0.002218,0.00964,0.007784
Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine:R3481,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191

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Their average was close to central even north Italian.

Roman_SRB-MNE,0.11923,0.150044,0.017725,-0.022206,0.025081,-0.006833,0.002526,0.005134,0.005778,0.027563,0.000 203,0.007606,-0.01364,0.000309,-0.010756,-0.009812,-0.00352,0.002914,0.007542,-0.006941,-0.006894,0.002288,-0.001572,0.003133,-0.001676


Distance to: Roman_SRB-MNE
0.01930112 Italian_Tuscany
0.02025733 Italian_Emilia
0.02070954 Italian_Lombardy
0.02079867 Greek_Thessaly
0.02340132 Italian_Piedmont
0.02347989 Italian_Marche
0.02434137 Italian_Umbria
0.02561755 French_Corsica
0.02621177 Italian_Bergamo
0.02648841 Greek_Messenia


I dont know is this was common all across Roman empire, but this is for areas of modern Serbia and Montenegro.

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Distance to: Repent:RealG25_scaled
0.10486729 Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Vimin acium:R9669
0.11458799 Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilo s_Krusevlje:R6693
0.11582781 Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilo s_Krusevlje:R6701
0.12744884 Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:MNE_Docle a_Bjelovine:R3481

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 10.4867% / 0.10486729
100.0 Roman*Illyria*(AD*100–600):Roman*Illyria:SRB_Vimin acium:R9669

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Paraksenos

The Imperial Roma samples have 2 homogenous clusters. 30% of the samples are homogenous Aegean and are identical to the homogenous Roman era West Anatolians from Mugla. They are genetic profile that existed since Hellenistic times in the Aegean and were already homogenous in the Roman era.

The other cluster clusters with South Italians and is a mix of Aegeans + Italic-Gaul related and possible single digit % of direct Levantine.


0.South.Greece/West.Anatolia(Roman_era_1-200AD):Imperial_Rome(Mugla_profile)+Mugla,0.108738 9,0.1527357,-0.0335888,-0.0700049,0.0004309,-0.0225901,0.0002193,-0.0049076,-0.0057949,0.0243225,0.0046767,0.0034469,-0.0066204,0.0031103,-0.0139793,-0.0054362,0.0047721,0.0004729,0.0040811,-0.0070116,-0.0044421,0.0023824,-0.0023993,0.0029722,0.0008222

These are the 2 clusters without the outliers

Italy_Central/South_Roman_Imperial_1-200AD(Greek_cluster),0.1088636,0.1526196,-0.0313278,-0.0678069,0.0010112,-0.0238849,0.0019639,-0.0049449,-0.0068223,0.0250445,0.0057764,0.0039501,-0.0067959,0.0023986,-0.0144834,-0.0044039,0.0062212,-0.0000815,0.0026039,-0.0056008,-0.0038235,0.0023759,-0.0034863,0.0024185,0.0004704
Italy_Central/South_Roman_Imperial(South_Italian_cluster),0.1127 723,0.1499078,-0.0114876,-0.0458908,0.0106765,-0.0152317,-0.0020427,-0.0055915,-0.0003776,0.0195413,0.0022858,0.0039542,-0.007959,-0.0043298,-0.0080389,-0.0016012,0.006439,0.0018516,0.0048442,-0.0047812,-0.0008542,0.00448,-0.0014315,-0.0020577,-0.0002672

https://i.imgur.com/N71J3aP.png
https://i.imgur.com/A7adotp.png
https://i.imgur.com/XlqKwcT.png
https://i.imgur.com/DdPPNvj.png

https://i.imgur.com/KTlS9eL.png
Source pops for Jews:

Code:

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0.South_Aegean_Greek(Roman_era_1-200AD):Imperial_Rome(Mugla_profile)+Mugla,0.1087389,0.1527357,-0.0335888,-0.0700049,0.0004309,-0.0225901,0.0002193,-0.0049076,-0.0057949,0.0243225,0.0046767,0.0034469,-0.0066204,0.0031103,-0.0139793,-0.0054362,0.0047721,0.0004729,0.0040811,-0.0070116,-0.0044421,0.0023824,-0.0023993,0.0029722,0.0008222

1.Italy_North_Roman_Imperial_proxy:French_Corsica,0.1203273,0.1518216,0.0195294,-0.0230022,0.0350394,-0.0100401,-0.0018464,-0.0005604,0.0157044,0.0337918,-0.0006031,0.0074612,-0.0132308,-0.0071074,-0.004537,-0.0005968,0.0040419,0.0012489,0.0024511,-0.0030461,-0.0003923,0.0002474,-0.0025793,-0.0013858,-0.0005303

4.Levant_Iron_Age-Roman-era:Israel_Iron_Age,0.0814974,0.1442052,-0.0603392,-0.0961896,-0.015326,-0.0372598,-0.005546,-0.0069228,0.0140302,0.013777,0.007535,-0.0062646,0.0189392,0.0040736,-0.0047774,0.0032084,-0.004407,0.0041806,0.0022374,0.00065,0.0014474,0.0051688,-0.0027606,-0.0024822,-0.0007664
 
4.Levant_Iron_Age-Roman-era:Levant_Beirut_ERoman-era,0.0822372,0.140397,-0.0554368,-0.091409,-0.0178492,-0.033118,-0.0042888,-0.0060572,0.0098685,0.0091575,0.0094592,-0.0100412,0.0174305,-0.0010665,-0.0100435,0.016872,0.0113432,-0.0047825,0.0008485,0.0014382,0.0050222,0.0055645,-0.0041905,0.003434,-0.0022455
 
9.Medieval_Turkic_Karakhanid.SG:DA204_noUDG.SG,0.073985,-0.156392,0.031301,0.013889,-0.052933,0,0.000235,0.003231,-0.014521,-0.017677,-0.014453,-0.003147,0.00223,-0.016377,0.009908,-0.000928,-0.01343,0.001267,0.004525,0.001,-0.014974,0.000742,-0.004067,-0.005663,-0.006586
 
8.North_Euro:Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
8.North_Euro:Slavic:Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0.0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.000694
 

9.North_African_TUN_Kerkouane_Iron_Age:R11759,-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.032621,-0.039602,-0.033607,0.009923,0.090604,0.031345,0.011367,-0.012289,0.026164,-0.015689,0.025515,-0.017369,0.00013,-0.026985,-0.055559,0.007504,-0.013476,-0.045257,0.023294,-0.014098,0.012334

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Distance to: Repent:RealG25_scaled
0.03434310 8.North_Euro:Slavic:Polish
0.04186632 8.North_Euro:Slavic:Belarusian
0.11989560 1.Italy_North_Roman_Imperial_proxy:French_Corsica
0.17350316 0.South_Aegean_Greek(Roman_era_1-200AD):Imperial_Rome(Mugla_profile)+Mugla
0.20793209 4.Levant_Iron_Age-Roman-era:Levant_Beirut_ERoman-era
0.21428682 4.Levant_Iron_Age-Roman-era:Israel_Iron_Age
0.29490522 9.Medieval_Turkic_Karakhanid.SG:DA204_noUDG.SG
0.29654568 9.North_African_TUN_Kerkouane_Iron_Age:R11759

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.0677% / 0.02067749
81.8 8.North_Euro
12.4 0.South_Aegean_Greek(Roman_era_1-200AD)
5.8 9.Medieval_Turkic_Karakhanid.SG

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.0677% / 0.02067749
63.6 8.North_Euro:Slavic:Belarusian
18.2 8.North_Euro:Slavic:Polish
12.4 0.South_Aegean_Greek(Roman_era_1-200AD):Imperial_Rome(Mugla_profile)+Mugla
5.8 9.Medieval_Turkic_Karakhanid.SG:DA204_noUDG.SG