And the lowest East MedQuote:
Originally Posted by smd555
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And the lowest East MedQuote:
Originally Posted by smd555
Sometimes the components are spread weirdly. I have 11.25% with 78k SNPs from MyHeritage and 9.8% with 180k SNPs from the merged superkit. That's why I personally look at the sum of West Med + West Asian + East Med + Red Sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by smd555
Do West Med and East Med overlap as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Do you mean in my case? They stay at about the same level. The difference is mainly in West Asian, which when merged seems to have gone in East Asian and Siberian. North Atlantic and Baltic swap around some percentages, and then there is also a 1% gain in their sum, which probably comes from what was interpreted as West Med, if I were to guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
Top is 180k merged, bottom is 78k MyHeritage
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 25.47 29.48 15.06 9.86 12.89 1.53 0.63 1.83 2.85 0 0.40 0 0 23.53 30.47 15.75 11.25 12.26 1.47 0.66 1.12 2.34 0.10 1.05 0 0
Distance to: IonBasescul_Merged 3.21347164 Csángó-Ceangău 3.24149657 Romania_Moldavia_North 3.54636434 Székely 3.67197495 Moldova_Centre 3.80744008 Moldova_average 3.91760131 Serb_north 4.20286807 Croat_South 4.25883787 Hungarian_Transylvania 4.30984919 Bosniak 4.35443452 Serb
Distance to: IonBasescul_MyHeritage 3.11846116 Moldova_average 3.25053842 Moldova_Centre 3.86539778 Romania_Moldavia_North 4.25556107 Serb_north 4.29585847 Bosniak 4.45554710 Moldova_North 4.75713149 Serb 4.94421885 Croat_South 5.04804913 Romania_Maramures 5.07353920 Csángó-Ceangău
I ask, because my 2 Ashkenazi segments, what 23andme assigned to me have increased West Med, while other are East Med and Red SeaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
From my experience, they boost mainly East Med and Red Sea visibly, but if the gene flow is small then I wouldn't be surprised if it were interpreted as West Med and West Asian more noticeably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
Purpose: Pagan
Distance: 4.2931% / 4.29310758
37.9 o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska
31.7 Ukraine_Zakarpattia
27.9 about_Ukraine_Zaporizka
2.5 Ukraine_Chernivtsi
Distance to: Pagane
9,88960565 o_Ukraine_Luhansk: Lugansk_EG600093
13.33856814 o_Ukraine_Zaporizka: r1a2b
15.19168523 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Tyachiv_district_Krychovo_EG60004
15.25769314 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Perechyn_district_Turji_Remety_EG60008_
15.49874188 Ukraine_Ternopilska: Berezhany_district_Narajiv_EG600011
15,62879394 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Mukachiv_district_Zavydovo_EG60007
16.27590858 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Vynogradiv_EG600035
16,58156808 Ukraine_Chernivtsi: R1a1c_
16.92648516 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Tyachiv_district_Ternovo_EG600010
17.23889498 Ukraine_Lviv: molgen_
17.27457091 Ukraine_Zakarpattia: Rahiv_district_Kosivska_Polyana_EG60001_
17,77231274 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Vynogradiv_district_Koroleve_EG600027
18.18357226 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Irshava_district_Dobrobratovo_EG60002
18.37090635 Ukraine_Lvivska: Turka_district_Kryvka_EG600018
18.50221608 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivsk: apricity_
18.95006069 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivsk: apricity_
19,03410098 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Mizhgirya_district_Kolochava_EG600032
19,57072303 Ukraine_Chernivetska: Zastavne_district_Zadubrivka_EG600019
19,59521370 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Uzhgorod_district_Hudlevo_EG600076
19,85798832 Ukraine_Lvivska: Turka_EG600089
20.02080668 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Uzhgorod_district_Lyahivtsi_EG60005
20.04913464 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Uzhgorod_EG600096
20.20149499 Ukraine_Lvivska: Mykolaiv_district_Novyj_Rozdil_EG600090_
20.25125181 Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Vynogradiv_district_Oleshnyk_EG60009
20.35426982 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivsk: apricity_
Distance to: Pagane
5.93559625 43,60% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 56,40% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Vynogradiv_EG600035
6.43821820 49,60% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 50,40% Ukraine_Lvivska: Mykolaiv_district_Novyj_Rozdil_EG600090_
6,67678747 62.60% o_Ukraine_Zaporizka: r1a2b + 37.40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048
6.67904991 46,80% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 53,20% Ukraine_Lvivska: Turka_district_Kryvka_EG600018
6,68314885 72.60% o_Ukraine_Luhansk: Lugansk_EG600093 + 27.40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048
6.72028254 53,40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 46,60% Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivska: Rogatyn_EG600024
6.79774048 48,60% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 51,40% Ukraine_Chernivetska: Zastavne_district_Zadubrivka_EG600019
6.84060269 51,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 49,00% Ukraine_Lvivska: Sambir_EG600014
6,97753149 48,80% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 51,20% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Uzhgorod_district_Hudlevo_EG600076
6,98371672 55,40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 44,60% Ukraine_Kropyvnytska: EG600092_
6,98543860 53,60% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 46,40% Ukraine_Lvivska: EG600062_
7,09058156 42,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 58,00% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Mukachiv_district_Zavydovo_EG60007
7.17772862 57,60% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 42,40% Ukraine_Sumska: EG600086_
7,29135523 52,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 48,00% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Mukachiv_district_Zavydovo_EG600012
7,34147509 45,80% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 54,20% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Vynogradiv_district_Koroleve_EG600027
7.42626720 45,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 55,00% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Rahiv_district_Kosivska_Polyana_EG60001_
7.43301399 56,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 44,00% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Velykyj_Bereznyj_district_Malyj_Bereznyj_EG600016
7.46788978 49,40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 50,60% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Uzhgorod_district_Lyahivtsi_EG60005
7.55722010 60,80% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 39,20% Ukraine_Chernihivska: Tshern_Ucering2209
7.61162043 49,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 51,00% Ukraine_Lvivska: Turka_EG600089
7.70864315 61,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 39,00% Ukraine_Chernihivska: R1a1c_
7,71597371 50,20% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 49,80% Ukraine_Zakarpatska: Uzhgorod_EG600036
7,71599723 57,40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 42,60% Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: Korosten_district_Veselivka_EG600045
7,72841122 41,40% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 58,60% Ukraine_Ternopilska: Berezhany_district_Narajiv_EG600011
7,79177301 57,00% o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska: EG600048 + 43,00% Ukraine_Rivnenska: EG600042_
There are fluctuations, but within 1-3%. Basic ratios of the main components are preserved. For example, for Jews high level of East Med cannot go significantly into West Med or West Asian, otherwise they would become French or Georgians respectively. Same with these samples from the Rivnenska oblast. Despite the fact that a couple of percent may "flow" between the components, I think the basic ratio of high West Asian and low East Med should remain. This ratio is typical for nowadays populations of Dagestan and in ancient times it was typical for Alans/Sarmatians/Corded Ware etc. Rivnenska oblast should be genetically explored more carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
UKR-1283_Sumskaya,30.73,39.21,15.31,5.65,3.15,3.12,0,0 ,0.73,1.21,0.24,0.26,0.38
UKR-1992_Rovenskaya,31.96,47.65,9.32,4.12,3.05,0.46,0, 0,1.75,0.19,1.03,0.46,0
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Pole from Ivano-Frankivsk (older generation, pre-war)Quote:
Originally Posted by smd555
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.09
2 North_Atlantic 25.6
3 West_Asian 14.31
4 West_Med 11.11
5 East_Med 4.46
6 Red_Sea 1.56
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Siberian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Oceanian 0.32
11 South_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.81
2 Ukrainian 8.28
3 South_Polish 8.52
4 Croatian 8.54
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.69
6 Moldavian 9.49
7 Southwest_Russian 9.72
8 Polish 10.02
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.96
10 Hungarian 12.35
11 Estonian_Polish 12.4
12 Belorussian 13.11
13 Kargopol_Russian 13.13
14 Erzya 14.22
15 East_German 14.73
16 Austrian 15.57
17 Lithuanian 16.07
18 Serbian 16.11
19 Estonian 16.38
20 Southwest_Finnish 17.01
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.6% Polish + 18.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.24
2 80.4% Polish + 19.6% Kabardin @ 2.28
3 81.4% Polish + 18.6% Adygei @ 2.44
4 82.4% Polish + 17.6% Ossetian @ 2.47
5 81.2% Polish + 18.8% Balkar @ 2.51
6 80.1% Polish + 19.9% Chechen @ 2.54
7 84.7% Polish + 15.3% Abhkasian @ 2.69
8 84% Polish + 16% Georgian @ 2.71
9 80.6% Polish + 19.4% Lezgin @ 3.08
10 80.6% Polish + 19.4% Kumyk @ 3.15
11 80.2% Polish + 19.8% Tabassaran @ 3.24
12 86.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.5% Tabassaran @ 3.25
13 81.3% Russian_Smolensk + 18.7% Ossetian @ 3.26
14 86.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.3% Chechen @ 3.29
15 87% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13% Lezgin @ 3.36
16 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Tabassaran @ 3.46
17 83.8% Ukrainian + 16.2% Chechen @ 3.46
18 88.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 11.8% North_Ossetian @ 3.54
19 80.2% Russian_Smolensk + 19.8% Balkar @ 3.6
20 84.2% Ukrainian + 15.8% Lezgin @ 3.64
What year was he/she born?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirdepo
1940Quote:
Originally Posted by smd555
What year were parents born?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirdepo
1910s/20sQuote:
Originally Posted by smd555
Can it be connected with this?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucas...valry_DivisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirdepo
Absolutely no, they "children and women and elderly" were deported by Russians to Siberia in wagons, where they were chopping logs all day until liberation.Quote:
Originally Posted by smd555
The men fought in Carpathian division in Tobruk, Libya and Montecassino, Italy for Poland and defeated Nazis and ended the war May 1944.
Well yes, fluctuations are small and within the 1-2% margin, at least in my case. So in your example with 11% and 10%, they could easily be 8% and 7% for example. That's why it's important to not interpret them too strictly, but to allow this margin of error.Quote:
Originally Posted by smd555
Distance to: Lithuanian_Gentry_Zhytomyr_1930
3.17214439 Ukraine_Rivnenska:EG600042_
3.48336045 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivska:Rogatyn_EG600024
3.96218374 Ukraine_Dnipropetrovska:EG600072_
3.98727977 Ukraine_Harkivska:EG600023_
4.40962583 Ukraine_Kropyvnytska:EG600092_
4.46478443 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Mukachiv_district_Zavydovo_EG6 00012
4.64989247 Ukraine_Rivnenska:EG600043_
4.80962577 Ukraine_Zhytomyrska:EG600050_
4.99824969 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Velykyj_Bereznyj_district_Maly j_Bereznyj_EG600016
5.13153973 Ukraine_Lvivska:EG600062_
5.61925262 Ukraine_Lvivska:Skole_district_Nyzhne_Synevydne_EG 60006_
5.63179368 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_EG600095
5.66317049 Ukraine_Dnipropetrovska:Dnipropetrovsk_district_Ki rovske_EG600074
5.67688295 Ukraine_Lvivska:Sambir_EG600014
5.72278778 Ukraine_Lvivska:EG600064_
5.76813661 Ukraine_Lvivska:Mykolaiv_EG600061
5.84373168 Ukraine_Ternopilska:Monastyrysk_district_Kovalivka _EG600030
5.90550591 Ukraine_Lvivska:Turka_EG600089
5.92948564 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_district_Lyahivtsi_EG 60005
5.96586959 Ukraine_Chernihivska:Kozelets_district_Lemeshi_EG6 00053
6.10801113 Ukraine_Rivnenska:R1b8_
6.34881879 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_district_Hudlevo_EG60 0076
6.35371545 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_EG600036
6.46502900 Ukraine_Dnipropetrovska:Dnipropetrovsk_district_Pi dhorodnye_EG600071
6.47005410 Ukraine_Dnipropetrovska:EG600065_
Another interesting result. High East Med and low West Asian:
They are relatives. The second and the third kit are husbands and the first kit is their grandson. The general trend is visible. Taking into account the fact that these are three people, I think it cannot be explained as a fluktuation of components. It may indicate some specific impurity from the fathers side. All ancesors are Ukrainians from Nadvirna district, Ivano-Frankivska oblast.Quote:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.69
2 North_Atlantic 32.12
3 East_Med 12.92
4 West_Med 10.24
5 West_Asian 1.51
6 Amerindian 1.28
7 Siberian 0.79
8 South_Asian 0.77
9 Red_Sea 0.68
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 38.66
2 North_Atlantic 29.3
3 East_Med 12.03
4 West_Med 10.9
5 West_Asian 5.47
6 Northeast_African 0.94
7 Amerindian 0.93
8 South_Asian 0.69
9 Red_Sea 0.64
10 Siberian 0.23
11 Oceanian 0.18
12 East_Asian 0.01
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.65
2 North_Atlantic 24.52
3 West_Med 14.67
4 East_Med 12.23
5 West_Asian 2.83
6 South_Asian 1.57
7 Siberian 1.36
8 Amerindian 0.91
9 Red_Sea 0.71
10 Oceanian 0.45
11 Northeast_African 0.07
12 East_Asian 0.02
A Galician
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Kit HG6630682
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.95
2 North_Atlantic 30.5
3 West_Med 13.24
4 East_Med 10.15
5 West_Asian 4.85
6 Red_Sea 2.35
7 Siberian 1.49
8 South_Asian 1.1
9 Amerindian 1.1
10 East_Asian 0.27
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.22
2 Croatian 4.55
3 Moldavian 7.18
4 East_German 7.64
5 South_Polish 7.88
6 Austrian 8.14
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.27
8 Ukrainian 9.26
9 Serbian 9.98
10 Polish 11.27
11 Southwest_Russian 13.11
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.81
13 Russian_Smolensk 13.99
14 Romanian 14.25
15 Estonian_Polish 14.28
16 Belorussian 14.6
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.7
18 North_Swedish 15.61
19 West_German 15.94
20 Bulgarian 16.74
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61% Estonian + 39% Tuscan @ 1.39
2 63.1% Belorussian + 36.9% North_Italian @ 1.84
3 67.7% Southwest_Russian + 32.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.95
4 65.8% Southwest_Russian + 34.2% Portuguese @ 2.03
5 67.4% Southwest_Russian + 32.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.16
6 63.7% Estonian_Polish + 36.3% North_Italian @ 2.26
7 66.8% Southwest_Russian + 33.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.29
8 64.5% Estonian + 35.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.32
9 65.6% Southwest_Russian + 34.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.33
10 67.7% Southwest_Russian + 32.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.34
11 71.4% Polish + 28.6% Tuscan @ 2.47
12 66.2% Southwest_Russian + 33.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.51
13 56.3% Lithuanian + 43.7% North_Italian @ 2.57
14 64.4% Serbian + 35.6% Estonian @ 2.59
15 64.2% Russian_Smolensk + 35.8% North_Italian @ 2.6
16 68.7% Southwest_Russian + 31.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.6
17 60% Serbian + 40% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.65
18 81.1% Hungarian + 18.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.67
19 69.2% Southwest_Russian + 30.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.67
20 66.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.69
I have clarified. The second and the third kit are husbands and the first kit is their grandson.
Ukrainian_Poltava-Dykanka-Opishnya,26.02,45.16,10.75,6.86,6.64,0.56,1.26,0.4 5,0.87,0.75,0.36,0.18,0.14
Finished the components of the Eurogenes K13 calculator for all 22 samples of the Poltava average
Despite some differences, Ukrainians are quite "homogeneous" within the country
Are only Moldovan Ukrainians in the top 25 samples? and the Russians? from the Southwest
There are no Belarusians or Poles at a conditional distance of -4 for "Poltava"
Distance to: Ukrainian_Poltava-Dykanka-Opishnya
0.94175368 Ukrainian_Pultawski-Zinkiwski*
1.39007194 Ukrainian
1.97344876 Putrya_Poltava11
2.23103115 Ukraine_Sumska:Ohtyrka_EG600080
2.32374697 Ukraine_Donetska:apricity_
2.43096689 Zlobynets_Poltava4
2.47402506 Ukraine_Zhytomyrska:Ovruch_EG600028
2.72216825 Khutorianskyi_Poltava6
3.00384753 Ukraine_Lvivska:EG600063_
3.03179815 Ukraine_Zhytomyrska:R1a1a_
3.11676114 Fedun_Poltava16
3.14842818 Ukraine_Sumska:Lebedyn_district_Kaminne_EG600077
3.25743764 Moldova_Ukrainian
3.34175104 Ukraine_Chernihivska:Kulykiv_district_Kovchyn_EG60 0060
3.41831830 Ukraine_Donetska:Slovyansk_EG600025
3.45191251 Ukraine_Chernihivska:Kozelets_district_Lemeshi_EG6 00053
3.46641025 Ukraine_Zhytomyrska:Korosten_district_Veselivka_EG 600045
3.46734769 Ukraine_Cherkaska:Hrystynivka_district_Rossoshky_E G600087
3.50610895 Ukraine_Dnipropetrovska:EG600066_
3.51607736 Russian_Southwest
3.57004202 Ukraine_Cherkaska:Tsherk_UCH945
3.61947510 Polomij_Poltava2
3.73036191 Ukraine_Donetska:Gorlivka_EG600026
3.74323390 Ukraine_Zhytomyrska:EG600050_
3.81377765 Ukraine_Dnipropetrovska:Dnipropetrovsk_district_Pi dhorodnye_EG600071
* The first nearest population is the same Poltava population from the first 13 samples
That is, the next 9 samples in a conditional radius of 25 km did not significantly change the proportions of the components
I don't understand how you calculate distances. Based on Eurogenes K13? In Vahaduo?
I have these data:
North_Atlantic 21.88 Pct
Baltic 39.32 Pct
West_Med 12.6 Pct
West_Asian 8.8 Pct
East_Med 12.61 Pct
Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
South_Asian 0.39 Pct
East_Asian 0.38 Pct
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Amerindian 0.82 Pct
Oceanian 1.34 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
You seems southern plotting Ukrainian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art23
https://i.imgur.com/zBelew2.png
Thank you. Ukrainian-Moldovan, but I am still in process of finding out how much "Moldovan". Or maybe it sill passes as native in any Ukrainian oblast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
From Kherson oblast, not sure if you guys have it already
North_Atlantic 29.82 Pct Baltic 42.55 Pct West_Med 9.24 Pct West_Asian 5.37 Pct East_Med 6.96 Pct Red_Sea - South_Asian 1.38 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 1.82 Pct Amerindian 0.73 Pct Oceanian 1.22 Pct Northeast_African 0.36 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.56 Pct
You are certainly 1/4 or even 1/2. AncestryDNA is the best if you want to calculate how much Balkanic you are in your case. You score about 20%, as I remember, Moldovans probably score half East Euro half Balkanic. AncestryDNA is the best in your case, because even very south-shifted Ukrainians without any real recent Balkanic ancestry do not get any Balkans % here, if you score it there that means very recent Moldovan heritageQuote:
Originally Posted by Art23
You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art23
Well, that explains why are you so far from average.
running these samples (less the three outliers) together with the K13 updated sheet:
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.3427% / 0.34270312
39.3 Ukraine_Ternopilska
17.7 Ukraine_Kropyvnytska
12.8 Ukraine_Sumska
7.2 Abhkasian
7.2 Ukraine_Zakarpatska
6.7 French_Basque
3.3 Sardinia
2.8 Dargin
1.3 Greek_Northern-Thrace
0.7 Turk_East_Black_Sea
0.4 Yoruban
0.3 Dai
0.2 Greek_Western-Thrace
0.1 She
then, only using the Ukrainian samples and Romanian 10 regions averages:
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7171% / 1.71713205 - distance too high
53.3 Ukraine_Ternopilska
15.3 Romania_Muntenia
13.2 Romania_Oltenia
10.2 Ukraine_Zakarpatska
5.5 Ukraine_Kropyvnytska
2.5 Ukraine_Chernivetska
when to Ukrainian and Romanian I add Greek and German samples - much better distance (Caucasus-rich Greek makes sense in the case of Greek boyars in Moldova, that often actually came from present Turkey), but funnily no Romanian samples get chosen, maybe because Moldovans are naturally a sort of a Ukrainian-Greek mix (not ethnically or recent but in terms of macro components, like Farmer plus Steppe model)?
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.9940% / 0.99401827
52.4 Ukraine_Ternopilska
21.6 Ukraine_Zakarpatska
11.3 Greek_Western-Thrace
5.3 Greek_Trabzon
5.1 German_West
4.3 Ukraine_Kropyvnytska
Distance to: Nurzat
Spoiler!
but the Ternopil oblast sample from Berezhany looks a bit of an outlier or thereabouts, at least a bit shifted towards Romania, so I ran again K13 updated calculator, including all Ukrainian samples, less the outliers and less Ternopil Berezhany sample:
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.5527% / 0.55270249
28.0 Ukraine_Lvivska
19.2 Ukraine_Zakarpatska
11.6 Abhkasian
9.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
8.4 Ukraine_Zhytomyrska
7.5 French_Basque
7.2 Ukraine_Sumska
5.7 Sardinia
1.5 Dargin
0.9 Ukraine_Ternopilska
0.5 Yoruban
0.4 Dai
0.1 She
this is probably the best model for you. between Romanians and Southwest Ukrainians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
around 2 is a pefect distance, 4 or more would be high.
I think Greek Trabzon and German even out into something like those late West Scythian samples, add Greek_Western-Thrace to that and you again get something Romanian/Moldovan like, so it's just getting broken down into more basic componets here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
There is such a thing as too low of a distance. It doesn't mean that the lower the better, because you arrive in overfit territory. The ideal balance is within 2-3% when modelling yourself as part of various references.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Also don't expect to be a perfect 50/50 split. You will likely not be a perfect 50/50 autosomal split between your parents' data, let alone some random references.
at least some of the West Med, East Med and Caucasian may and has to be much older than any recent flow of population from the Balkans (Vlachophones) - Central and Western Ukraine was inhabited by Trypillia and Globular Amphora populations that were Sardinian-like, some Neolithic heritage must have stayed in the region. the around 20% low average of West and East med combined must be that old, probably what goes higher may be sign of recent admix, but some other populations brought higher Neolithic scores as well, not only the Vlachs, for example the Hungarians and the Germans
Distance to: Kriptc
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27.74954414 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Vynogradiv_EG600035
28.49063530 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Tyachiv_district_Krychovo_EG60 004
28.93386597 o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska:EG600048
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29.30730114 o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093
29.51479121 Ukraine_Lvivska:molgen_
29.53084828 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivska:apricity_
29.63405473 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Rahiv_district_Kosivska_Polyan a_EG60001_
29.73444467 Ukraine_Chernivetska:R1a1c_
30.10521882 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Mukachiv_district_Zavydovo_EG6 0007
30.25762218 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Vynogradiv_district_Koroleve_E G600027
30.47236945 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Tyachiv_district_Ternovo_EG600 010
30.84057392 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivska:apricity_
31.40976918 Ukraine_Lvivska:Turka_district_Kryvka_EG600018
31.54233346 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_EG600036
31.56537027 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Vynogradiv_district_Oleshnyk_E G60009
31.61273319 Ukraine_Lvivska:Turka_EG600089
31.76015428 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_EG600096
32.18377386 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_district_Lyahivtsi_EG 60005
32.28070941 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Uzhgorod_district_Hudlevo_EG60 0076
32.36422717 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Mizhgirya_district_Kolochava_E G600032
32.51463517 Ukraine_Ivano-Frankivska:apricity_
32.57445779 Ukraine_Zakarpatska:Irshava_district_Dobrobratovo_ EG60002
32.84306928 o_Ukraine_Zaporizka:r1a2b
Target: Kriptc
Distance: 2236.5568% / 22.36556759
52.8 Ukraine_Zakarpatska
47.2 o_Ukraine_Zhytomyrska
very distant lol
Always laugh how you try to connect this visible Balkan genetic influence in Western Ukraine to some super ancient populations which don't make absolutely any sense, because is almost entirely concentrated in Carpathian region, not all Western Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
your theory doesn't follow geography, as you claim: Ivano-Frankivsk (38%) scores more Baltic than Chernivtsi (35%) or Ternopil (37%) and similar to Lviv (39%), anyway close enough to Ukrainian average (42%).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
long before Vlachs the Scythians northwest of the Black Sea already had WestMed+EastMed+RedSea 28% on average, with individual scores from 14% to over 50%. so for sure it wasn't Vlachs to introduce Mediterranean genes to Ukrainians, those genes became part of the local genepool long before Slavic ethnogenesis happened
I don't understand what you're talking about, most of these southern shifted samples are specifically from this area, Ternopil sample is just an outlier, can be a simple post-Soviet mix. The Scythian theory is just laughlable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
https://sun9-45.userapi.com/impg/bAJ...6f6&type=album
not only that Ukrainians don't have the bulk of their Mediterranean genes from Vlachs, but even northern and northeastern Romanians have the bulk of their Mediterranean DNA from sources previous to Vlach migration (Vlachs arrived 12th-14th century north of Danube, then slowly northwards and eastwards). because, again, the entire region was populated by Neolithic farmers and the 20% Mediterranean in Ukrainians is a legacy of that, not recent Vlach admixture (except exceptions which are exceptional and not the norm, norm is the norm, norm is Neolithic continuity, diluted, to this day, from Trypillia and Globular Amphora peoples) :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
If Romanians/Moldovans in Chernivtsi oblast can score 23% Atlantic, 37% Baltic, which obviously comes from being heavily mixed with Ukrainians, then there's no way in hell that the average Ukrainian there is this that we have in the thread. Also bear in mind that it is based on only two samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
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- sample size North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub-Saharan Chernivetska 2 23.28 35.95 13.66 9.77 12.08 1.28 0 0.19 1.64 1.15 0.5 0.51 0
I will tell you even more. According to LivingDNA, the territory that you highlighted is more Southern than some districts in Republic of Moldova. You see pure Moldovans are more Northern than those Ukrainians like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Here are their regions for East Balkans and Northeast Europe:
https://i.ibb.co/z5cLPb6/CJ-Living-DNA-2020.png
Now let's look closer and overlay them over a map:
https://i.ibb.co/h269x2k/Living-DNA2...s-NEEurope.png
Zoomed in on Moldova:
https://i.ibb.co/bJSMHTz/Living-DNA-...s-NEEurope.png