Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

[Dibran]

2000 it was probably a small family (among proto-Slavs) and couple
others spreaded across Europe. Maybe 100 people. Even 1000 or
10,000 wouldn't make difference in hardships of finding it.

Maybe M458 basal was provided by the Sarmatians, and then it could have been absorbed into and participated in Slavic ethnogenesis. Then later clades like L1029/YP515/L260 could have developed as a result from this ethnogenesis, explaining why there is alot of M458 in Central Europe and almost no aDNA thus far from the area is M458.

[Rethel]

From when, 3000 years ago ? Is that really relevant ?

Yes.
Time is relative.

Otherwise, you are right, that play with letters has no sense. I agree.

[Stears]

Do you know who were the true equestrian people of Europe? Those who had the most horses per capita. You won't believe it: England , the Netherlands and northern Italy, The knowledge of horse riding was wide spread and they had the most horses per capita.

[Turul Karom]

"words for culture and lifestyle, like some foods, family, personal identifiers and basic adjectives" these are some loanwords, but there were more loanwords ( foods, family, personal identifiers and basic adjectives) from German and Latin languages before the language reforms. It doesn't make us German nor Latino.

You do not understand my point. These were words that found the core of our lifestyle, and who we were before the unity of the Magyar tribes. As we have been in Europe for so long, of course we would have more Latin, Germanic, etc words in our vocabulary. Look at all the Arabic words in the Anatolian Turkish vocabulary. Are they Arabic now? No, because these words came into being after they have been settled and converted to Islam and placed under an Arabic cultural sway.

Only the evil linguists and historians don't know about your fantasy. How sad.... And they globally conspired with their scholars from all around the world. Yes I know that such a conspiracy theories and fantasies exist among less educated proletarian people i Cumania like you and your ancestors. Do you really believe that all scholars conspired against your turanian tales?

lolol, this is maybe the third or fourth time you bring this up again. Must you learn the perspective again? Pretending we did not talk about this is not very honest, friend...

This is a duplicate question from the “Turanid Race” thread. My reply: No, I have never said that all Hungarian and foreign linguists are liars. I do not believe in a coordinated global conspiracy as you claim I do. It seems as though you are using hyperbole to make my statements more outrageous than what I am actually saying. It also seems like you do not believe that there are political interests at play in these discussions (though obviously on any side, there will be politics involved). It is clear that the people have changed as have the powers, which is why you are attempting to slander by saying that Hungarian Turanists are afraid of “dead Hapsburg monarchs”.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=lingua+franca

Oh well. The tragic irony is that it is you and the shrinking group around which you that rely on seeing Turkic oriented Hungarian existence as "conspiratorial". Without the neo-Cuman-Turkic-conspiracy ghost for you to chase, you couldn't easily dismiss the science. But alas, as we are free time and again, we discover the truth about ourselves. With modern technology, this will only expedite the process of Turkic awareness in the population and make DNA, linguistic, and archaeological research easier. To quote from the same thread once more:

You accuse me (and all Turanists at large) of requiring the notion of an anti-Hungarian conspiracy in order to even exist. In reality, it is you and your ilk that need to make it look like we are all kooky conspiracy theorists in order for your weak arguments to exist. To this end, you wish to rally in cloistered places, be it academia or not does not matter, and shriek like banshees at the sunlight that sterilizes.

Don't fear who you are.

Lunatic kurultáj (aka. Cuman-days) in Kunság (Cumania) minority area? How pathetic.

It grows larger every year. The folk art, the people, the Turkic international brotherhood... and this year, the government is supporting it with a large financial donation. If 250,000+ people each year is "pathetic", then I think you should re-evaluate your idea of cultural events. Maybe start your own event for "true" Hungarians and promote "real" Magyar culture? Oh wait, that would mean defining your terms, and as science progresses in favor of our Turkic past, that would only ostracize you...

Is this why you rage at the darkness rather than create the light? I suppose it is easier after all...

Don't feel too alone though. Your mantle is always waiting for you to take it up onto your shoulders once more. It was with you from birth and will be with you in your bones long after death.

By this same "logic", as TurulKarom, Hungarians are Buddhists from China!

Not my trail of logic. Not sure how you got that impression.

Other problem: Hungarians were not equestrian people.

The pinnacle of a troll post. Of course not every person owned a warhorse, but many people were skilled in horsemanship. It is well established. A very high % of Magyars in the past were skilled in horsemanship in relation to the non-nomadic West. The fact you would make the claim "Hungarians were not equestrian people" would make almost any modern scholar laugh. I think you're starting to make desperate claims to distance yourself from our Turkic-oriented past.

[blogen]

https://link.springer.com/article/10...520-018-0609-7

[Turul Karom]

https://link.springer.com/article/10...520-018-0609-7

....this study is such gold, haha. Hopefully it helps to bring continuing awareness of our origins.

"Thus, most of the population in the Carpathian Basin originated from the Hun-Turkic cultural community of the Eurasian Steppe and was accompanied by Slavonic and German-speaking groups."

[Peterski]

I edited the Opening Post, adding some links to other studies with ancient Hungarian DNA. Two other studies found N1c, I2a and R1b Y-DNA haplogroups in conquest-era Early Medieval Magyars.

It is obvious, that they were a genetic mish-mash, united by common identity and culture.

Two Early Medieval Magyars with N1c:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...440.x/abstract

Early Medieval Magyars with I2a and R1b:

http://publicatio.bibl.u-szeged.hu/1...ges_cikk_u.pdf

Gyöngyvér Tömöry analyzed 27 Early Medieval Magyar samples:

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/1088...isek-angol.pdf

Check also Table 8. on p. 137 of Anna Szécsény-Nagy's dissertation.

Modern Szeklers have a non-negligible frequency of N1c - 6.52%.

[Turul Karom]

I edited the Opening Post, adding some links to other studies with ancient Hungarian DNA. Two other studies found N1c, I2a and R1b Y-DNA haplogroups in conquest-era Early Medieval Magyars.

It is obvious, that they were a genetic mish-mash, united by common identity and culture.

Two Early Medieval Magyars with N1c:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...440.x/abstract

Early Medieval Magyars with I2a and R1b:

http://publicatio.bibl.u-szeged.hu/1...ges_cikk_u.pdf

Gyöngyvér Tömöry analyzed 27 Early Medieval Magyar samples:

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/1088...isek-angol.pdf

Check also Table 8. on p. 137 of Anna Szécsény-Nagy's dissertation.

Modern Szeklers have a non-negligible frequency of N1c - 6.52%.

Here are two samples from graves of known early Hungarian conquerors that were both R1b-U106.

Source is second link in supplementary material:

Genetic structure of the early Hungarian conquerors inferred from mtDNA haplotypes and Y-chromosome haplogroups in a small cemetery

https://link.springer.com/article/10...438-016-1267-z

438_2016_1267_MOESM2_ESM.xlsx (17 kb)
Online Resource 2 (ESM_2): Results of Y-chromosome SNP typing using the GenoY25 assay (XLSX 16 kb)

[Peterski]

See also: http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/medievaldna.shtml

Magyars with R1b1b1a are from Karos-Eperjesszög, dated to ca. 900-950 AD.

One of them has Mongoloid mtDNA haplogroup B4d1. The other one has H6a1b.

[Peterski]

two samples from graves of known early Hungarian conquerors that were both R1b-U106.

Yes, that is claimed to be Germanic U106. The oldest samples are from Germanic areas:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/cop...zeagedna.shtml



RISE98 is not much younger than estimated age of U106 as a whole (according to YFull):

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/

^^^
Probably assimilated by Magyars in Ukraine, where East Germanic tribes were present.