Vahaduo calcs vol.2

[J. Ketch]

You can also remove Flemish, as Belgian and South Dutch covers it, and Belgian average is mostly made of Flemish anyway.

edit: removed it myself.

[J. Ketch]

Here's a general North French average, made from the averages of Normandy, Hauts de France, and French Northeast, which are all pretty similar. Ethnically Germanic Alsace and Celtic Brittany can be left as they are IMO.

French_North,44.41,20.70,17.08,5.26,8.07,1.31,0.91,0.45,0.59,0.41,0.21,0.20,0.32

[kingmob]

All of his ancestry is from Thrace? I'll add him to the average.

Btw, do you know of any k13 results from Serres and East Macedonia?

Yes. He's the original Greek_Northern_Thrace made by user Kaspias years back.

Also, yes, but there's no "native" people with Balkan profiles in East Macedonia, if that is what you are looking for. Maybe 1 or 2 villages with less than 20 old people nowadays (if they are still alive), the region was emptied entirely with the departure of the Ottomans (more than 95% of the pre-treaty population left.)

[vbnetkhio]

Yes. He's the original Greek_Northern_Thrace made by user Kaspias years back.

Also, yes, but there's no "native" people with Balkan profiles in East Macedonia, if that is what you are looking for. Maybe 1 or 2 villages with less than 20 old people nowadays (if they are still alive), the region was emptied entirely with the departure of the Ottomans (more than 95% of the pre-treaty population left.)

Are you talking only about Greeks here (excluding Aromanians and Slavs/Bulgarians/Macedonians?)
there seems to be a peak of Slavic genetics somehwere in this area, for example the father of user paradox from this forum who is Aromanian from Serres has a very "northern" result.

or this result I found on Gedmatch:

*Mikropoli/Karlikovo
Population
North_Atlantic 17.04 Pct
Baltic 27.29 Pct
West_Med 17.19 Pct
West_Asian 13.29 Pct
East_Med 21.18 Pct
Red_Sea 0.44 Pct
South_Asian 0.39 Pct
East_Asian 0.83 Pct
Siberian 1.19 Pct
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.42 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

I'm trying to collect more samples with confirmed ancestry to make a proper average for Vahaduo. Do you think all these are simply non-Greeks?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

That is what the other sheet (updated smaller regions) is for. Main sheet (updated bigger regions) will have simplified regional averages for larger countries.

Personally, I don't like macro-regions in the Italian case. The Veneto average is as distant from the Lombardy average as "English_Midlands" is from "Irish".

However, one idea might be this:

Italian_Aosta_Valley
Italian_North_Alpine (Friuli, Piedmont, Veneto, Trentino, Swiss)
Italian_North (Emilia, Liguria, Lombardy, Romagna)
Italian_Center (Lazio, Marche, Umbria, Tuscany)
Italian_South (Apulia, Basilicata, Molise, Abruzzo, Campania, Sicily, Calabria)

Italian_Aosta_Valley,39.39,15.81,22.37,7.56,12.42,1.2,0.46,0.01,0,0.01,0.12,0.44,0.21
Italian_North_Alpine,33.49,15.86,23.07,5.80,18.13,2.38,0.18,0.19,0.20,0.33,0.25,0.06,0.06
Italian_North,29.74,11.92,24.60,7.93,21.74,2.90,0.26,0.26,0.05,0.22,0.22,0.12,0.05
Italian_Center,26.17,9.81,23.69,10.72,24.63,3.74,0.24,0.16,0.10,0.16,0.38,0.15,0.07
Italian_South,19.03,7.72,21.43,14.55,30.10,5.14,0.32,0.28,0.11,0.20,0.35,0.51,0.27

Clusters of Italian populations from the smaller regions Vahaduo spreadsheet



Clusters of Italian populations as compiled by user Sizzo

[vbnetkhio]

What was wrong with this Serb average?

Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0 .72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05

It was very good.

nothing, I've just collected more samples and recalculated the average.

[Dunai]

Personally, I don't like macro-regions in the Italian case. The Veneto average is as distant from the Lombardy average as "English_Midlands" is from "Irish".

However, one idea might be this:

Italian_Aosta_Valley
Italian_North_Alpine (Friuli, Piedmont, Veneto, Trentino, Swiss)
Italian_North (Emilia, Liguria, Lombardy, Romagna)
Italian_Center (Lazio, Marche, Umbria, Tuscany)
Italian_South (Apulia, Basilicata, Molise, Abruzzo, Campania, Sicily, Calabria)

Italian_Aosta_Valley,39.39,15.81,22.37,7.56,12.42,1.2,0.46,0.01,0,0.01,0.12,0.44,0.21
Italian_North_Alpine,33.49,15.86,23.07,5.80,18.13,2.38,0.18,0.19,0.20,0.33,0.25,0.06,0.06
Italian_North,29.74,11.92,24.60,7.93,21.74,2.90,0.26,0.26,0.05,0.22,0.22,0.12,0.05
Italian_Center,26.17,9.81,23.69,10.72,24.63,3.74,0.24,0.16,0.10,0.16,0.38,0.15,0.07
Italian_South,19.03,7.72,21.43,14.55,30.10,5.14,0.32,0.28,0.11,0.20,0.35,0.51,0.27

This is a logical split of Italians. Did you also make weighed averages, because for instance Piedmont Italians number 4.2 millions, while Swiss Italians are 700.000, so tehnically the Piedmont average should have a much higher weigh within North-Alpine average than Swiss Italians?

[Jana]

Creoda thanks!

Personally, I don't like macro-regions in the Italian case. The Veneto average is as distant from the Lombardy average as "English_Midlands" is from "Irish".

However, one idea might be this:

Italian_Aosta_Valley
Italian_North_Alpine (Friuli, Piedmont, Veneto, Trentino, Swiss)
Italian_North (Emilia, Liguria, Lombardy, Romagna)
Italian_Center (Lazio, Marche, Umbria, Tuscany)
Italian_South (Apulia, Basilicata, Molise, Abruzzo, Campania, Sicily, Calabria)

Italian_Aosta_Valley,39.39,15.81,22.37,7.56,12.42,1.2,0.46,0.01,0,0.01,0.12,0.44,0.21
Italian_North_Alpine,33.49,15.86,23.07,5.80,18.13,2.38,0.18,0.19,0.20,0.33,0.25,0.06,0.06
Italian_North,29.74,11.92,24.60,7.93,21.74,2.90,0.26,0.26,0.05,0.22,0.22,0.12,0.05
Italian_Center,26.17,9.81,23.69,10.72,24.63,3.74,0.24,0.16,0.10,0.16,0.38,0.15,0.07
Italian_South,19.03,7.72,21.43,14.55,30.10,5.14,0.32,0.28,0.11,0.20,0.35,0.51,0.27

Added!

[Ion Basescul]

I had brilliant idea I think
No more waiting for my updates! I took those sheets using some code on website directly from pastebin.

So for K13 ancient average and individuals vbknethio now how the POWERS to edit sheets directly in Pastebin and changes are visible on page in the same time

New page for K13 Ancient individual (doesn't matter sheet is in two parts I added simply two codes lol...)
https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Eurogen...d-vahaduo.html

Then Leto you could create your pastebin (but when logged remember, to have ability to edit later) for Dod and I will add that address too to page.

Who wants to be curator of 13 and K15? Maybe Creoda, Basecul or Feiichy? So create your pastebin accounts and add sheets.

I can even divide oracles to few regional parts and few users could be responsible for their regional refs respectively. Just discuss it... So there will be truly community driven oracles

I wanted to do such thing before but I theorized to gave someone access to my ftp server which would be too dangerous, no it is safe and easy as fuck.

I am just doing refs for Moldova, Romania and Bulgaria, with occasional contributions to Ukraine. My updates are spaced out by months, so I don't really need access. I will just post here, and especially at this stage with so many samples having been counted, I doubt there remains anything significant to update for them.

On another note, could you please create another sheet for G25 scaled for Ajeje's simulated coords from K13? This is useful for pops that we do not have from academic papers.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7434162

[Ion Basescul]

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