Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Ion Basescul]

Someone was asking me about GEDmatch results from the Moldavia region, current Romania and Republic of Moldova, so I decided to research this.

Eurogenes K13 results:
Blue - Republic of Moldova
Yellow - Moldavia in Romania
White - Could be either

v1
https://i.imgur.com/RZt09g1.png

v2
https://i.imgur.com/YNUp7Ta.png

v3
https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png

[Ion Basescul]

PM me for the kits, as I won't post them here.

[Dušan]

This is different from Moldavian average on Gedmatch.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

That Dosoftei Iasi guy seems to be a good intermediary between Moldavians with high NA and the ones with higher Baltic.

[Ion Basescul]

This is different from Moldavian average on Gedmatch.

Those guys were mixed with minorities, hence why they've been removed from the later versions of G25 and then put back as outliers (Moldavian_o).

[Jana]

Pretty decent North Atlantic average (25% rounded) score for country situated so eastern.

[Leto]

I know nothing about Romanian Moldavia, to me they are just Romanians. To most people Moldovans are the people from the country called Moldova. And I would be surprised if they have considerable differences between the regions because there are only 2.7 million Moldovans in the RM.

[Ion Basescul]

That Dosoftei Iasi guy seems to be a good intermediary between Moldavians with high NA and the ones with higher Baltic.

By the way, users from Moldavia region can also post their results in this thread, and I'll add them to this list.

[Jana]

I know nothing about Romanian Moldavia, to me they are just Romanians. To most people Moldovans are the people from the country called Moldova. And I would be surprised if they have considerable differences between the regions because there are only 2.7 million Moldovans in the RM.

Republic of Moldova is just eastern part of historical Moldavia. Also smaller part of historical Moldova ended up in Ukraine.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/JaoaU.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Fellow,28.06,24.76,17.53,6.52,18.76,0,0.10,0,1.37, 1.36,0.22,0,1.32
FellowGF,23.23,26.67,18.62,9.95,18.12,0,0,0.36,1.4 1,0.91,0.45,0.18,0.10

Gf is fully from Galati/Vaslui region. I'm 1/2 Iasi, 1/4 Suceava, 1/4 Vaslui.

[Leto]

Republic of Moldova is just eastern part of historical Moldavia. Also smaller part of historical Moldova ended up in Ukraine.

[img]https://i.stack.imgur.com/JaoaU.png
Yeah, I've briefly read about that. In Russia where I grew up Moldovan just means from the Republic, just like Azerbaijani (that fact that there is also Southern Azerbaijan in Iran is not widely known).

[Jana]

Add Incelslayer, he is full Romanian Moldovan from Galati.

Incel,26.6,35.89,17.78,7.14,10.15,0.00,0.00,1.1,1. 26,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.08

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Add Incelslayer, he is full Romanian Moldovan from Galati.

Incel,26.6,35.89,17.78,7.14,10.15,0.00,0.00,1.1,1. 26,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.08

I highly, highly doubt he is fully Moldovan with that Baltic.

[Jana]

I highly, highly doubt he is fully Moldovan with that Baltic.

We all do, but so far no proofs were provided for such claims. Carpatz and rest of discord gang know him well, they can offer some insight.

[Ion Basescul]

And I would be surprised if they have considerable differences between the regions because there are only 2.7 million Moldovans in the RM.

Well yes, everyone born in R. Moldova is Moldovan by citizenship and hence Moldovan in my book. But in this thread, I'm concerned mainly about those who are born to Romance-speaking parents, because we want to compare with those from Romania. The main part of the Moldavian principality was on the territory of Romania, while this territory became more important only recently, during the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union. People in the Republic are undoubtedly connected to those in Romania, given shared surnames. I doubt that the migration happened from East to West historically. It's only in the past 30 years that it started to swing from East to West.

Do these maps help to understand why there are regional differences? In short, the Central rural region is most homogenous, North has been historically mixed with Ukrainians and South with Bulgarians/Gagauz.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/1897_Gov_Bessarab_ethno.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/ETHNIC_MAP_OF_BESSARABIA_IN_1930.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Harta_etnica_a_Republicii_Moldova_-_2004.jpg

https://statistica.gov.md/public/files/Recensamint/Recensamint_pop_2014/Rezultate/Harti/Etnie.jpg

https://statistica.gov.md/public/files/Recensamint/Recensamint_pop_2014/Rezultate/Harti/Limba_materna_A4.jpg

[Aspirin]

Republic of Moldova is just eastern part of historical Moldavia. Also smaller part of historical Moldova ended up in Ukraine.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/JaoaU.png

This is more accurate.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Partitions_of_Moldavia.jpg?uselang=ru

[Daos777]

My k13 is much more representative of the average Moldavian than these guys.

Daos,23.69,39.46,11.70,7.35,10.48,0.62,2.40,0.33,1 .51,2.18,0.28,0,0

[Leto]

My k13 is much more representative of the average Moldavian than these guys.

Daos,23.69,39.46,11.70,7.35,10.48,0.62,2.40,0.33,1 .51,2.18,0.28,0,0
Nah, you are more similar to this Russian-speaking Transnistrian ;)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318451-Russian-Gedmatch-Results

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Nah, you are more similar to this Russian-speaking Transnistrian ;)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318451-Russian-Gedmatch-Results

No, he's pure EHG , just a time traveler.

[Jana]

My k13 is much more representative of the average Moldavian than these guys.

Daos,23.69,39.46,11.70,7.35,10.48,0.62,2.40,0.33,1 .51,2.18,0.28,0,0

You are only 25% Moldovan.

[Leto]

You are only 25% Moldovan.
He's an immigrant from the Republic, therefore a Moldovan-American :cool:

Jokes aside, I do think people like Daos, Ion's mother and that Transnistrian are common in the Rep of Moldova.

[Jana]

He's an immigrant from the Republic, therefore a Moldovan-American :cool:

Jokes aside, I do think people like Daos, Ion's mother and that Transnistrian are common in the Rep of Moldova.

He is 3/4 north Slavic (Polish and Ukrainian), not ethnic Moldovan.

[Daos777]

You are only 25% Moldovan.

Depends on how you define Moldovan

[Aspirin]

Jokes aside, I do think people like Daos, Ion's mother and that Transnistrian are common in the Rep of Moldova.

With such high Baltic no, they are not common, as I said early, the average is between 25 and 30%. Highest for an ethnic Moldavian is 34-35%, more higher is a sign of mixing.

[Dušan]

Those guys were mixed with minorities, hence why they've been removed from the later versions of G25 and then put back as outliers (Moldavian_o).

So real Moldavian average is more southern shifted than that on Gedmatch?
I am asking because I am 95% Moldavian in mixed mode oracle according to Gedmatch.

If real Moldavian is a bit southern, and real Serbian, as we know, is a bit northern, they are probably on the same level of percentage Slavic and Vlach genetics.

https://i.imgur.com/T3DtYLa.png

[Aspirin]

This guy is a good representation of North Moldavian results, he is close to my area.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6368567&viewfull=1#post6368567

[WeirdLookingFellow]

So real Moldavian average is more southern shifted than that on Gedmatch?
I am asking because I am 95% Moldavian in mixed mode oracle according to Gedmatch.

If real Moldavian is a bit southern, and real Serbian, as we know, is a bit northern, they are probably on the same level of percentage Slavic and Vlach genetics.

https://i.imgur.com/T3DtYLa.png

The K15 average is done with 2 individuals that are Belarussian and Russian-Gypsy or something, it's not really representative.

Neither are some of the G25 results which are very southern and Bulgarian like.

[Dušan]

This guy is a good representation of North Moldavian results, he is close to my area.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6368567&viewfull=1#post6368567

Are you sure?
He is 4% Mongol.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.4
2 North_Atlantic 21.77
3 West_Med 15.61
4 West_Asian 12.12
5 East_Med 9.73
6 Siberian 2.2
7 Red_Sea 1.4
8 Amerindian 1.11
9 East_Asian 0.83
10 Oceanian 0.82

[Dušan]

The K15 average is done with 2 individuals that are Belarussian and Russian-Gypsy or something, it's not really representative.

Neither are some of the G25 results which are very southern and Bulgarian like.

Where would you put Moldavian average dot on that map?

[Aspirin]

Are you sure?
He is 4% Mongol.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.4
2 North_Atlantic 21.77
3 West_Med 15.61
4 West_Asian 12.12
5 East_Med 9.73
6 Siberian 2.2
7 Red_Sea 1.4
8 Amerindian 1.11
9 East_Asian 0.83
10 Oceanian 0.82

This is a norm here, some will score even more. And he is only 3%, Amerindian seems to be something different.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Where would you put Moldavian average dot on that map?

Maybe, I don't know.

https://i.ibb.co/bW6bMpb/T3DtYLa.png (https://ibb.co/znm6TK6)

[Ion Basescul]

So real Moldavian average is more southern shifted than that on Gedmatch?
I am asking because I am 95% Moldavian in mixed mode oracle according to Gedmatch.

If real Moldavian is a bit southern, and real Serbian, as we know, is a bit northern, they are probably on the same level of percentage Slavic and Vlach genetics.

https://i.imgur.com/T3DtYLa.png

Yes, I probably need to put this in my signature at this point. If you want to see those Eurogenes Moldovans, then they are marked as Moldavian_o (for outlier) in the Global25 spreadsheet. Some of them score like Ukrainians, others even more Northeastern, and I think like one or two are similar to me.

https://i.imgur.com/KGpAqCH.png
https://i.imgur.com/LHrdZ5L.png

[Ion Basescul]

This guy is a good representation of North Moldavian results, he is close to my area.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6368567&viewfull=1#post6368567

He is I-CTS5996 aka CTS10228. Could be a fellow PH908 if he were to test downstream.

[Aspirin]

Yes, I probably need to put this in my signature at this point. If you want to see those Eurogenes Moldovans, then they are marked as Moldavian_o (for outlier) in the Global25 spreadsheet. Some of them score like Ukrainians, others even more Northeastern, and I think like one or two are similar to me.


xD

https://sun9-8.userapi.com/c855416/v855416847/faea2/8PdjPuUApT8.jpg

[Leto]

Are you sure?
He is 4% Mongol.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.4
2 North_Atlantic 21.77
3 West_Med 15.61
4 West_Asian 12.12
5 East_Med 9.73
6 Siberian 2.2
7 Red_Sea 1.4
8 Amerindian 1.11
9 East_Asian 0.83
10 Oceanian 0.82
The Amerindian isn't Mongolian, dude.

[Dušan]

The Amerindian isn't Mongolian, dude.

Sorry, but what race do Amerindians belong - Caucasoid, Mongoloid or Negroid???

[Ion Basescul]

xD

https://sun9-8.userapi.com/c855416/v855416847/faea2/8PdjPuUApT8.jpg

Do we have these GEDmatch kits or results?

[Leto]

Sorry, but what race do Amerindians belong - Caucasoid, Mongoloid or Negroid???
They were classified as Mongoloid in the past but here we're talking about genetic components. The minor Amerindian in Europeans is either noise or some North Eurasian signal. It may not be direct Turkic or Mongoloid admixture and no proper European has actual Native American ancestry.

[Aspirin]

Results of Moldavian user, Zmey Gorynych, full Central Moldavian. Paternal side Ialoveni district, Răzeni village, maternal side Telenești district, I don't know the village of origin.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6211129&viewfull=1#post6211129

[Aspirin]

Do we have these GEDmatch kits or results?

These samples were posted in September here, I put them on the K15 map.

[Dušan]

Results of Moldavian user, Zmey Gorynych, full Central Moldavian. Paternal side Ialoveni district, Răzeni village, maternal side Telenești district, I don't know the village of origin.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6211129&viewfull=1#post6211129

He has same level of Baltic and North_Atlantic as me. :)

Zmey Gorynych

Population
North_Atlantic 22.18
Baltic 33.94
West_Med 14.38
West_Asian 9.99
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 3.05
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.21
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.49
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Dušan

Population
North_Atlantic 22.32 Pct
Baltic 33.78 Pct
West_Med 18.56 Pct
West_Asian 8.15 Pct
East_Med 12.69 Pct
Red_Sea 1.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.73 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.92 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Aspirin]

He has same level of Baltic and North_Atlantic as me. :)

Zmey Gorynych

Population
North_Atlantic 22.18
Baltic 33.94
West_Med 14.38
West_Asian 9.99
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 3.05
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.21
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.49
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Dušan

Population
North_Atlantic 22.32 Pct
Baltic 33.78 Pct
West_Med 18.56 Pct
West_Asian 8.15 Pct
East_Med 12.69 Pct
Red_Sea 1.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.73 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.92 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Yes, he is similar to you.

[Daos777]

Anyone under 39 percent Baltic is not european.

[Ion Basescul]

Anyone under 39 percent Baltic is not european.

Agreed

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d757c0cb6c869271d8e8b2843514d32b.webp

[Aspirin]

Bassically half Moldavian/half Ukrainian from Bălți, very close to my area. Good example of local mixed results.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6370024&viewfull=1#post6370024

[Ion Basescul]

v2 with the added users (also updated in 1st post, where you can compare with v1)

https://i.imgur.com/YNUp7Ta.png

[Aspirin]

Half Bulgarian/half Moldavian, he is somewhere from the South.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6386724&viewfull=1#post6386724

[WeirdLookingFellow]

v2 with the added users (also updated in 1st post, where you can compare with v1)

https://i.imgur.com/YNUp7Ta.png

Lmao I fucked up I'm 1/4 Iasi 1/2 Vaslui 1/4 Suceava.

My dad would've smacked me lol. Mom is half Suceava half Iasi.

[Nurzat]

about the original K13 Eurogenes/Germatch Moldavian reference for Moldavians - it still seems relevant, otherwise why would all Moldovans (both East and West) have it in their top 5 populations distance (also look at distance to Moldavian versus distance to Romanian):

EDIT: on mixed mode it becomes obvious it is too northeastern-shifted, sorry. it will be interesting to average the results we get on this thread for a more relevant Moldovan average and it'd be interesting to do it both for West of Prut and East of Prut Moldovans.

Distance to: Zmey
4.84922674 Moldavian
7.64008508 Croatian
8.71007463 Serbian
11.11243448 Romanian
11.77366553 Hungarian

Distance to: Nurzat
3.72852518 Moldavian
6.77348507 Serbian
7.12741187 Croatian
9.14139486 Hungarian
9.65390595 Romanian

Distance to: Suceava
4.05896539 Serbian
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
9.05477222 Croatian

Distance to: Botosani
3.77128625 Moldavian
7.15705945 Croatian
8.20808138 Serbian
10.70861336 Romanian
11.19339091 Hungarian

Distance to: Vaslui-1
4.52390318 Serbian
5.81889165 Romanian
7.29533413 Moldavian
7.82243568 Bulgarian
10.68984565 Croatian

Distance to: Vaslui-2
2.56848204 Serbian
5.51313885 Romanian
8.57938809 Bulgarian
9.36670166 Moldavian
10.31559499 Hungarian

Distance to: Neamt
5.85920643 Romanian
6.44920925 Bulgarian
7.46351794 Serbian
10.29112725 Moldavian
14.22298140 Croatian

Distance to: Fellow
6.21748341 Serbian
6.66183909 Romanian
8.85023728 Bulgarian
12.92885532 Hungarian
13.50722399 Moldavian

Distance to: FellowGF
3.94632741 Romanian
4.71958685 Bulgarian
6.10644741 Serbian
11.20027232 Moldavian
14.24206095 Greek_Thessaly

[Ion Basescul]

My dad would've smacked me lol.

Yep, definitely Vaslui :icon12:

[Ion Basescul]

about the original K13 Eurogenes/Germatch Moldavian reference for Moldavians - it still seems relevant, otherwise why would all Moldovans (both East and West) have it in their top 5 populations distance (also look at distance to Moldavian versus distance to Romanian):

EDIT: on mixed mode it becomes obvious it is too northeastern-shifted, sorry. it will be interesting to average the results we get on this thread for a more relevant Moldovan average and it'd be interesting to do it both for West of Prut and East of Prut Moldovans.

Distance to: Zmey
4.84922674 Moldavian
7.64008508 Croatian
8.71007463 Serbian
11.11243448 Romanian
11.77366553 Hungarian

Distance to: Nurzat
3.72852518 Moldavian
6.77348507 Serbian
7.12741187 Croatian
9.14139486 Hungarian
9.65390595 Romanian

Distance to: Suceava
4.05896539 Serbian
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
9.05477222 Croatian

Distance to: Botosani
3.77128625 Moldavian
7.15705945 Croatian
8.20808138 Serbian
10.70861336 Romanian
11.19339091 Hungarian

Distance to: Vaslui-1
4.52390318 Serbian
5.81889165 Romanian
7.29533413 Moldavian
7.82243568 Bulgarian
10.68984565 Croatian

Distance to: Vaslui-2
2.56848204 Serbian
5.51313885 Romanian
8.57938809 Bulgarian
9.36670166 Moldavian
10.31559499 Hungarian

Distance to: Neamt
5.85920643 Romanian
6.44920925 Bulgarian
7.46351794 Serbian
10.29112725 Moldavian
14.22298140 Croatian

Distance to: Fellow
6.21748341 Serbian
6.66183909 Romanian
8.85023728 Bulgarian
12.92885532 Hungarian
13.50722399 Moldavian

Distance to: FellowGF
3.94632741 Romanian
4.71958685 Bulgarian
6.10644741 Serbian
11.20027232 Moldavian
14.24206095 Greek_Thessaly

Well, it's not completely irrelevant, but it's not the best so to speak due to those users being mixed, which pushes them further North than the average. The current 10 samples from Stefan Voda on the contrary are too Southern for averages. Perhaps combining the two could lead to a better average.
I'll probably do that at some point.

[Leto]

War Chief is half Gagauz from Moldova, 1/4 Ossetian and 1/4 Ukrainian

Population
North_Atlantic 17.43 Pct
Baltic 27.03 Pct
West_Med 10.72 Pct
West_Asian 25.39 Pct
East_Med 14.03 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.92 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.62 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.76 Pct
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Population
Gedrosia 9.87 Pct
Siberian 2.27 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.69 Pct
North_European 34.10 Pct
South_Asian 0.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 32.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Jana]

about the original K13 Eurogenes/Germatch Moldavian reference for Moldavians - it still seems relevant, otherwise why would all Moldovans (both East and West) have it in their top 5 populations distance (also look at distance to Moldavian versus distance to Romanian):

EDIT: on mixed mode it becomes obvious it is too northeastern-shifted, sorry. it will be interesting to average the results we get on this thread for a more relevant Moldovan average and it'd be interesting to do it both for West of Prut and East of Prut Moldovans.

Distance to: Zmey
4.84922674 Moldavian
7.64008508 Croatian
8.71007463 Serbian
11.11243448 Romanian
11.77366553 Hungarian

Distance to: Nurzat
3.72852518 Moldavian
6.77348507 Serbian
7.12741187 Croatian
9.14139486 Hungarian
9.65390595 Romanian

Distance to: Suceava
4.05896539 Serbian
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
9.05477222 Croatian

Distance to: Botosani
3.77128625 Moldavian
7.15705945 Croatian
8.20808138 Serbian
10.70861336 Romanian
11.19339091 Hungarian

Distance to: Vaslui-1
4.52390318 Serbian
5.81889165 Romanian
7.29533413 Moldavian
7.82243568 Bulgarian
10.68984565 Croatian

Distance to: Vaslui-2
2.56848204 Serbian
5.51313885 Romanian
8.57938809 Bulgarian
9.36670166 Moldavian
10.31559499 Hungarian

Distance to: Neamt
5.85920643 Romanian
6.44920925 Bulgarian
7.46351794 Serbian
10.29112725 Moldavian
14.22298140 Croatian

Distance to: Fellow
6.21748341 Serbian
6.66183909 Romanian
8.85023728 Bulgarian
12.92885532 Hungarian
13.50722399 Moldavian

Distance to: FellowGF
3.94632741 Romanian
4.71958685 Bulgarian
6.10644741 Serbian
11.20027232 Moldavian
14.24206095 Greek_Thessaly

But you are just half Moldovan. Your result shouldn't be included in ethnic Moldovan average, just like I don't include mine in Croatian, and by blood I am 75% Croat.
You can add IncelSlayer instead.

[Leto]

Mixed Moldovan adoptee (father is likely Lezgin-Azerbaijani)

From Reddit
https://i.imgur.com/lHG9scO.jpg
Adopted from Moscow, Russia. Originally said to be from Moldova but his biological father was allegedly Azerbaijani

J-CTS5368
D4j

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.77
2 Baltic 22
3 North_Atlantic 17.45
4 East_Med 15.78
5 West_Med 10.24
6 Red_Sea 2.58
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 Northeast_African 0.83
9 East_Asian 0.79
10 Siberian 0.71
11 Amerindian 0.57
12 South_Asian 0.12
13 Sub-Saharan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 16.34
2 Romanian 16.93
3 Kumyk 18.01
4 Serbian 19.25
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.36
6 Chechen 19.47
7 Kabardin 19.89
8 Tabassaran 20.16
9 Lezgin 20.34
10 Moldavian 20.59
11 Balkar 21.3
12 Nogay 21.34
13 Central_Greek 21.48
14 Adygei 21.58
15 Italian_Abruzzo 21.58
16 Turkish 22.21
17 North_Ossetian 23.01
18 East_Sicilian 23.15
19 Azeri 23.65
20 Croatian 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Chechen @ 2.61
2 53.6% Romanian + 46.4% Chechen @ 2.8
3 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Georgian @ 2.88
4 57% Croatian + 43% Abhkasian @ 3.02
5 54.7% Romanian + 45.3% Lezgin @ 3.04
6 51.4% Serbian + 48.6% Lezgin @ 3.12
7 52.9% Serbian + 47.1% Adygei @ 3.15
8 54.5% Bulgarian + 45.5% Chechen @ 3.19
9 56.7% Hungarian + 43.3% Abhkasian @ 3.23
10 50.4% Georgian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 3.25
11 55.6% Bulgarian + 44.4% Lezgin @ 3.27
12 54.6% Serbian + 45.4% North_Ossetian @ 3.33
13 52.8% Adygei + 47.2% Hungarian @ 3.35
14 55.4% Bulgarian + 44.6% Tabassaran @ 3.36
15 58.4% Moldavian + 41.6% Georgian @ 3.36
16 54.5% Hungarian + 45.5% Georgian @ 3.37
17 57.1% Kumyk + 42.9% Croatian @ 3.5
18 60.6% Moldavian + 39.4% Abhkasian @ 3.59
19 57.5% Kumyk + 42.5% Hungarian @ 3.61
20 51.8% South_Polish + 48.2% Abhkasian @ 3.64


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.42
2 North_European 29.42
3 Atlantic_Med 17.01
4 Gedrosia 14.45
5 Southwest_Asian 6.04
6 East_Asian 2.14
7 East_African 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.1
2 Romanians (Behar) 14.34
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.03
4 Greek (Dodecad) 18.42
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.86
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.37
7 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.47
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.6
9 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.68
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.44
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 23.45
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.63
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.83
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.95
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 24.13
16 Turks (Behar) 24.95
17 Lezgins (Behar) 25.15
18 Hungarians (Behar) 25.51
19 N_Italian (Dodecad) 25.53
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 26.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.7
2 54% Hungarians (Behar) + 46% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.1
3 53.6% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.26
4 53.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.36
5 61.7% Turks (Behar) + 38.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.54
6 57.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 4.59
7 60.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.71
8 59.5% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 40.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.81
9 63.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.98
10 52.9% Armenians (Behar) + 47.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.99
11 53.6% Armenian (Dodecad) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.05
12 62.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% English (Dodecad) @ 5.08
13 62% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 38% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
14 62.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
15 68.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.1
16 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.3
17 63.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.6% British (Dodecad) @ 5.33
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34
19 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.34
20 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.37


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.62
2 NE-Euro 29.85
3 Baloch 15.59
4 Mediterranean 14.94
5 SW-Asian 5.32
6 Beringian 0.71
7 NE-Asian 0.69
8 Pygmy 0.66
9 Papuan 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 13.38
2 romanian-a (behar) 14.01
3 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.35
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 17.73
5 stalskoe (xing) 17.94
6 tuscan (1000genomes) 19.52
7 tuscan (hgdp) 19.77
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 19.86
9 tuscan (hapmap) 20.3
10 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.7
11 urkarah (xing) 21.82
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.09
13 kumyk (yunusbayev) 23.05
14 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 24.05
15 lezgin (behar) 24.18
16 turk (behar) 24.45
17 italian (hgdp) 24.47
18 chechen (yunusbayev) 24.75
19 romanian-b (behar) 24.96
20 turkmen (yunusbayev) 25.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% romanian-a (behar) + 36.3% lezgin (behar) @ 2.95
2 51.2% utahn-white (hapmap) + 48.8% georgian (harappa) @ 2.97
3 52% n-european (xing) + 48% georgian (harappa) @ 3.04
4 50.9% georgian (harappa) + 49.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.06
5 61.3% romanian-a (behar) + 38.7% urkarah (xing) @ 3.12
6 56.4% romanian-a (behar) + 43.6% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.18
7 52.2% slovenian (xing) + 47.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.31
8 53.2% hungarian (behar) + 46.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.57
9 51.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 48.4% georgian (harappa) @ 3.58
10 62.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 37.4% urkarah (xing) @ 3.65
11 50.4% british (1000genomes) + 49.6% georgian (harappa) @ 3.73
12 57.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.76
13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
15 65.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 34.9% lezgin (behar) @ 3.95
16 53.1% slovenian (xing) + 46.9% kurd (xing) @ 4.07
17 60.1% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.9% n-european (xing) @ 4.21
18 60.5% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.26
19 54% hungarian (behar) + 46% kurd (xing) @ 4.28
20 59.1% hungarian (behar) + 40.9% georgian (harappa) @ 4.3


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 34.39
2 Caucasian 30.82
3 Mediterranean 23.8
4 SW_Asian 6.1
5 Siberian 1.25
6 Omo_River 1.16
7 Oceanian 1.1
8 S_Indian 0.5
9 Beringian 0.45
10 E_Asian 0.24
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 13.48
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.94
3 Bosnian 15.6
4 Macedonian 16.6
5 Bulgarian 17.22
6 Romanian 17.65
7 Albanian 17.81
8 Montenegrin 17.83
9 Tuscan 17.98
10 Italian 19.59
11 Serbian 19.69
12 Chechen 19.96
13 Ashkenazy_Jew 21.71
14 Nogai 22.5
15 Sicilian 22.9
16 Kumyk 23.26
17 Croatian 23.26
18 Balkar 23.6
19 Lezgin 23.94
20 Sephardic_Jew 24.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% Bosnian + 43.7% Chechen @ 2.57
2 60.7% Bosnian + 39.3% Lezgin @ 2.6
3 57.9% Armenian + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 2.67
4 55.7% Armenian + 44.3% Belarusian @ 2.93
5 55.3% Armenian + 44.7% Karelian @ 3.07
6 54.9% Armenian + 45.1% Russian @ 3.07
7 50% Kumyk + 50% Croatian @ 3.12
8 53.6% Kumyk + 46.4% Austrian @ 3.14
9 60.8% Turk_Istanbul + 39.2% Lithuanian @ 3.17
10 50.4% Serbian + 49.6% Chechen @ 3.28
11 58.6% Turk_Istanbul + 41.4% Belarusian @ 3.36
12 60.2% Bosnian + 39.8% Kumyk @ 3.37
13 59.1% Azerbaijani + 40.9% Lithuanian @ 3.44
14 52.1% Kumyk + 47.9% Hungarian @ 3.46
15 56.3% Armenian + 43.7% Finnish @ 3.47
16 54.3% Serbian + 45.7% Kumyk @ 3.5
17 54.8% Armenian + 45.2% Mordovian @ 3.57
18 53.3% Kumyk + 46.7% Slovenian @ 3.6
19 56.9% Azerbaijani + 43.1% Belarusian @ 3.61
20 59.4% Macedonian + 40.6% Lezgin @ 3.63

[Jana]

Somebody should forward this thread to Seya, she tested both parents and one of them is full Romanian Moldovan (from south) as far as I know. Other is partly Greek.
Her fully Moldovan parent result would improve this average.

[Scandal]

To what extent do Moldovans from Romania differ from Moldovans from Republic of Moldova, if they differ at all? I mean genetically, of course.
I know it's talked about it in the first post, but can someone sum it up for me? I'm not into genetics


btw: I didn't know there's a Moldova in Romania too before becoming a reader of this forum.

[Nurzat]

But you are just half Moldovan. Your result shouldn't be included in ethnic Moldovan average, just like I don't include mine in Croatian, and by blood I am 75% Croat.
You can add IncelSlayer instead.

but the half Ukrainian half Moldovan mix is all too common for Moldova to exclude it (for Suceava and Botosani counties in Romania, for northern Rep. Moldova and for Chernivtsi oblast' in Ukraine). anyway, we can try with and without me

[Jana]

but the half Ukrainian half Moldovan mix is all too common for Moldova to exclude it (like for Suceava and Botosani counties, for Rep. Moldova and for Moldovans in Chernivtsi oblast). anyway, we can try with and without me

I like how OP does it, separate average for full Moldovans and mixed Moldovans like you, so both are included but separate.

[Jana]

Distance to: IncelSlayer

4.03972771 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
4.18628714 Croatian
4.91325758 Bosniak_Tuzla
5.00962777 Slovenian
5.52668979 Moldavian

[Aspirin]

btw: I didn't know there's a Moldova in Romania too before becoming a reader of this forum.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/09/81/b20981cad71fe8bea52616b40c42ebf7.jpg

[Scandal]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/09/81/b20981cad71fe8bea52616b40c42ebf7.jpg

Yeah, and then what? For most people in my country Moldova/Moldavia = Republic of Moldova.

[Aspirin]

Yeah, and then what? For most people in my country Moldova/Moldavia = Republic of Moldova.

Is entire territory from Carpathians to Dniester river. Today Moldova, despite is considered a new state, is bassically eastern half of old country with the same name. In Romania is still exist the region Moldova, or more correct will be Moldavia for romanian part.

[Nurzat]

Vania, for your file:

Nurzat_Rusoğlu,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1 .2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36
Neamț_county,21.38,27.17,14.71,13.65,16.38,2.64,0. 06,1.68,1.96,0,0.39,0,0
Botoșani_county,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1 .2,0.4,1.78,0,0,0,0
Suceava_county,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/09/81/b20981cad71fe8bea52616b40c42ebf7.jpg

offtopic: Moldova has had cultural, historical and political continuity for over 6 centuries now, be it on its own be it as part of Romania or Russia, eversince the 1300s. funny how some people from 1-2 century-old nations come and patronize Moldovans on identity from time to time xD

[Nurzat]

just for fun:

EDITED, v2


Vlach:Romanian_Oltenia,24.37,24.49,17.09,11.28,18. 04,2.14,0.55,0.27,0.83,0.60,0.18,0.09,0.06
Vlach:Vlach_Central-Macedonia,21.16,16.34,21.87,11.20,23.99,4.14,0.06, 0.43,0,0,0.81,0,0
Vlach:Vlach_North-Macedonia,22.21,19.88,20.33,11.84,19.73,4.68,0,0.6 6,0,0,0.67,0,0
Vlach:Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander,21.34,21.03,18.47,10.96,22.05,4.71,0,0, 0,1.06,0.25,0.12,0
Old_Magyar:Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11. 16,3.75,1.25,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
Old_Magyar:Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2. 00,1.51,0.66,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
East_Slavic::Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10 ,5.29,1.79,1.20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13
East_Slavic:Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8. 78,5.54,0.58,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Tatar:Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55,16.36,8.88,1. 83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0.21
Germanic:Austrian,37.21,29.87,14.58,7.23,8.23,1.56 ,0.78,0.07,0.16,0.12,0.11,0.07,0.00
Germanic:German_West,45.37,25.20,13.22,7.02,5.78,0 .85,0.30,0.58,0.39,0.37,0.11,0.35,0.14
Germanic:North_German,47.17,27.37,10.33,7.12,4.24, 0.91,1.46,0.04,0.12,0.43,0.28,0.37,0.17


Target: Zmey
Distance: 2.0283% / 2.02834079
51.2 Vlach
48.6 East_Slavic

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 3.1014% / 3.10138903
53.0 Vlach
38.8 East_Slavic
4.8 Tatar
3.4 Germanic

Target: Suceava
Distance: 1.9414% / 1.94143797
79.6 Old_Magyar
14.2 Vlach
4.4 East_Slavic
1.8 Germanic

Target: Botosani
Distance: 2.0886% / 2.08855946
54.8 East_Slavic
42.0 Vlach
3.2 Tatar

Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 1.6958% / 1.69582231
51.6 Vlach
44.4 East_Slavic
4.0 Tatar

Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 2.1099% / 2.10986881
66.6 Old_Magyar
30.0 Vlach
3.4 Germanic

Target: Neamt
Distance: 2.6820% / 2.68195759
65.0 Vlach
21.8 East_Slavic
13.2 Tatar

Target: Fellow
Distance: 5.2206% / 5.22061218
44.6 Vlach
28.4 Germanic
27.0 Old_Magyar

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 3.4050% / 3.40502113
78.6 Vlach
21.4 East_Slavic

[Ion Basescul]

Vania, for your file:

Nurzat_Rusoğlu,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1 .2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36
Neamț_county,21.38,27.17,14.71,13.65,16.38,2.64,0. 06,1.68,1.96,0,0.39,0,0
Botoșani_county,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1 .2,0.4,1.78,0,0,0,0
Suceava_county,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0



offtopic: Moldova has had cultural, historical and political continuity for over 6 centuries now, be it on its own be it as part of Romania or Russia, eversince the 1300s. funny how some people from 1-2 century-old nations come and patronize Moldovans on identity from time to time xD

Just to check on something, didn't you say something about an Ukrainian surname for the guy from Botosani or am I thinking of something else?

[Ion Basescul]

just for fun:

EDITED, v2


Vlach:Romanian_Oltenia,24.37,24.49,17.09,11.28,18. 04,2.14,0.55,0.27,0.83,0.60,0.18,0.09,0.06
Vlach:Vlach_Central-Macedonia,21.16,16.34,21.87,11.20,23.99,4.14,0.06, 0.43,0,0,0.81,0,0
Vlach:Vlach_North-Macedonia,22.21,19.88,20.33,11.84,19.73,4.68,0,0.6 6,0,0,0.67,0,0
Vlach:Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander,21.34,21.03,18.47,10.96,22.05,4.71,0,0, 0,1.06,0.25,0.12,0
Old_Magyar:Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11. 16,3.75,1.25,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
Old_Magyar:Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2. 00,1.51,0.66,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
East_Slavic::Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10 ,5.29,1.79,1.20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13
East_Slavic:Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8. 78,5.54,0.58,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Tatar:Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55,16.36,8.88,1. 83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0.21
Germanic:Austrian,37.21,29.87,14.58,7.23,8.23,1.56 ,0.78,0.07,0.16,0.12,0.11,0.07,0.00
Germanic:German_West,45.37,25.20,13.22,7.02,5.78,0 .85,0.30,0.58,0.39,0.37,0.11,0.35,0.14
Germanic:North_German,47.17,27.37,10.33,7.12,4.24, 0.91,1.46,0.04,0.12,0.43,0.28,0.37,0.17


Target: Zmey
Distance: 2.0283% / 2.02834079
51.2 Vlach
48.6 East_Slavic

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 3.1014% / 3.10138903
53.0 Vlach
38.8 East_Slavic
4.8 Tatar
3.4 Germanic

Target: Suceava
Distance: 1.9414% / 1.94143797
79.6 Old_Magyar
14.2 Vlach
4.4 East_Slavic
1.8 Germanic

Target: Botosani
Distance: 2.0886% / 2.08855946
54.8 East_Slavic
42.0 Vlach
3.2 Tatar

Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 1.6958% / 1.69582231
51.6 Vlach
44.4 East_Slavic
4.0 Tatar

Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 2.1099% / 2.10986881
66.6 Old_Magyar
30.0 Vlach
3.4 Germanic

Target: Neamt
Distance: 2.6820% / 2.68195759
65.0 Vlach
21.8 East_Slavic
13.2 Tatar

Target: Fellow
Distance: 5.2206% / 5.22061218
44.6 Vlach
28.4 Germanic
27.0 Old_Magyar

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 3.4050% / 3.40502113
78.6 Vlach
21.4 East_Slavic

Seems to work better with a penalty. Vlach + Slavic = Magyar :lol: Surely there must be a joke like this somewhere.
Also no way that Zmey is not mixed, just look at you and him. Unless he has really old ancestry specific to those villages, which slowly and steadily assimilated the Slavs into Romanised folk, like a slowly cooked stew. I would research my family tree just in case, if I were him.

Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 196.1703% / 1.96170293 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 Old_Magyar
24.4 Vlach
9.0 East_Slavic
5.0 Tatar

Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 604.1187% / 6.04118657 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 East_Slavic
43.6 Vlach
0.2 Tatar

Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 311.6626% / 3.11662576 | ADC: 0.25x
45.8 Vlach
29.0 East_Slavic
23.2 Old_Magyar
2.0 Tatar

no penalty


Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 133.5084% / 1.33508384
42.4 Vlach
31.6 East_Slavic
15.0 Germanic
11.0 Tatar

Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 580.0299% / 5.80029896
61.0 East_Slavic
37.6 Vlach
1.4 Tatar

Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 279.5459% / 2.79545939
58.4 Vlach
37.0 East_Slavic
4.6 Tatar

[Aspirin]

Also no way that Zmey is not mixed

He don't have any foreign ancestry.

[Leto]

Half Romanian half RO Gypsy (https://i.imgur.com/0NmUKyA_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
See the 23andme from Reddit thread for more.

[Ion Basescul]

Half Romanian half RO Gypsy (https://i.imgur.com/0NmUKyA_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
See the 23andme from Reddit thread for more.

She's from Transylvania

[Ion Basescul]

v3 and that's all for today, because my eyes have tired from searching on GEDmatch and doing detective work

https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png

[Leto]

v3 and that's all for today, because my eyes have tired from searching on GEDmatch and doing detective work

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png
Good job!
You didn't include Daos and the mixed adoptee though :)

[Leto]

Brizgalova looks to be Polish or some Western-shifted Ukrainian. High NA and very low mong.

[Ion Basescul]

Brizgalova looks to be Polish or some Western-shifted Ukrainian. High NA and very low mong.

Could be, but that surname seems most popular in Russia.
Was the half Azeri guy born in Moldova or Russia? I didn't add him, because I thought that he was born in Russia. I didn't understand in the end if Daos' ancestry is all from the territory of Moldova. If so then is it R. Moldova or Romanian Moldavia?

[Aspirin]

v3 and that's all for today, because my eyes have tired from searching on GEDmatch and doing detective work

https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png

These two with surname Moldovan is debatable if they are Moldavians, no matter from Romania or Republic. And the reason is the surname itself.

[Leto]

Could be, but that surname seems most popular in Russia.
Was the half Azeri guy born in Moldova or Russia? I didn't add him, because I thought that he was born in Russia. I didn't understand in the end if Daos' ancestry is all from the territory of Moldova. If so then is it R. Moldova or Romanian Moldavia?
The adoptee was adopted from Moscow but his birth certificate stated that his mother was Moldavanka.

Daos is maternally Ukrainian, paternally half Polish half Romanian, born in the Rep of Moldova.

[Ion Basescul]

These two with surname Moldovan is debatable if they are Moldavians, no matter from Romania or Republic. And the reason is the surname itself.

I know, but firstly they exist in Moldavia and R. Moldova in comfortable numbers and secondly they both score too much Baltic for Wallachia and too much Baltic and/or too little Atlantic for Transylvania.
Obviously this isn't a scientific study and that's why academic data is most reliable.

[Nurzat]

deep ancestry K7 for Europeans, interesting to have an average for Moldovans on these main components too:

in bold the outliers which may point to recent admix from other populations not from the region (Germanic and Levantine mostly, and they seem to go together)


Balto-Slavic:Lithuanian,28.87,53.90,7.17,3.91,1.48,0.76, 1.34,0.06,0.82,0.77,0.41,0.29,0.22
Celto-Germanic:West_Scottish,53.18,23.35,12.31,5.56,1.72 ,0.88,1.14,0.05,0.47,0.80,0.34,0.08,0.12
Mediterranean:Sardinian,22.36,1.59,51.87,0.05,21.4 9,1.97,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,0.37,0.17,0.07
Caucasian:Georgian,3.72,5.52,10.13,52.14,21.85,3.2 2,1.80,0.65,0.37,0.42,0.12,0.03,0.03
Levantine:Samaritan,1.69,0.36,16.45,18.39,45.52,13 .82,0.98,0.08,0.10,0.00,0.26,2.35,0.00
Mongolian,2.93,4.38,1.13,7.15,1.42,0.54,1.22,30.75 ,48.10,1.67,0.58,0.05,0.08
Indian:Chamar,0.45,1.72,1.27,11.50,0.59,0.71,77.02 ,1.75,1.69,1.23,1.44,0.51,0.11

Target: War_Chief
Distance: 2.7425% / 2.74252444
43.2 Balto-Slavic
42.8 Caucasian
4.4 Levantine
4.0 Mediterranean
3.6 Celto-Germanic
2.0 Mongolian

Target: Transnistria_mixed
Distance: 3.8329% / 3.83292896
68.6 Balto-Slavic
16.2 Caucasian
7.2 Mediterranean
3.8 Levantine
3.2 Indian
1.0 Mongolian

Target: Ion_Basescul
Distance: 2.2573% / 2.25732869
45.4 Balto-Slavic
15.2 Celto-Germanic
13.8 Levantine
13.2 Mediterranean
8.2 Caucasian
4.2 Mongolian

Target: Zmey
Distance: 2.0167% / 2.01671168
60.2 Balto-Slavic
18.2 Levantine
11.4 Mediterranean
7.6 Caucasian
2.6 Celto-Germanic

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 2.3248% / 2.32478081
50.4 Balto-Slavic
17.8 Mediterranean
14.0 Caucasian
10.6 Celto-Germanic
5.6 Levantine
1.6 Mongolian

Target: Suceava_county
Distance: 2.4854% / 2.48537661
43.2 Balto-Slavic
23.6 Levantine
22.4 Celto-Germanic
7.4 Mediterranean
1.6 Mongolian
1.0 Caucasian
0.8 Indian

Target: Botosani_county
Distance: 1.7808% / 1.78082502
59.2 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Levantine
14.2 Mediterranean
8.0 Caucasian
2.4 Celto-Germanic
1.2 Mongolian

Target: Neamt_county
Distance: 2.4053% / 2.40531091
43.4 Balto-Slavic
19.8 Levantine
14.0 Caucasian
10.8 Mediterranean
9.4 Celto-Germanic
2.6 Mongolian

Target: Vaslui_county_1
Distance: 2.2384% / 2.23835923
47.2 Balto-Slavic
17.8 Levantine
17.0 Mediterranean
9.4 Celto-Germanic
6.6 Caucasian
2.0 Mongolian

Target: Vaslui_county_2
Distance: 2.6372% / 2.63720586
38.4 Balto-Slavic
24.8 Levantine
22.6 Celto-Germanic
10.4 Mediterranean
2.4 Mongolian
1.4 Caucasian

Target: Fellow
Distance: 5.7647% / 5.76472767
33.2 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Celto-Germanic
25.2 Levantine
16.0 Mediterranean

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 4.7771% / 4.77709166
42.8 Balto-Slavic
20.2 Mediterranean
20.0 Levantine
9.4 Celto-Germanic
7.4 Caucasian

[Ion Basescul]

deep ancestry K7 for Europeans, interesting to have an average for Moldovans on these main components too:

in bold the outliers which may point to recent admix from other populations not from the region (Germanic and Levantine mostly, and they seem to go together)


Balto-Slavic:Lithuanian,28.87,53.90,7.17,3.91,1.48,0.76, 1.34,0.06,0.82,0.77,0.41,0.29,0.22
Celto-Germanic:West_Scottish,53.18,23.35,12.31,5.56,1.72 ,0.88,1.14,0.05,0.47,0.80,0.34,0.08,0.12
Mediterranean:Sardinian,22.36,1.59,51.87,0.05,21.4 9,1.97,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,0.37,0.17,0.07
Caucasian:Georgian,3.72,5.52,10.13,52.14,21.85,3.2 2,1.80,0.65,0.37,0.42,0.12,0.03,0.03
Levantine:Samaritan,1.69,0.36,16.45,18.39,45.52,13 .82,0.98,0.08,0.10,0.00,0.26,2.35,0.00
Mongolian,2.93,4.38,1.13,7.15,1.42,0.54,1.22,30.75 ,48.10,1.67,0.58,0.05,0.08
Indian:Chamar,0.45,1.72,1.27,11.50,0.59,0.71,77.02 ,1.75,1.69,1.23,1.44,0.51,0.11

Target: War_Chief
Distance: 2.7425% / 2.74252444
43.2 Balto-Slavic
42.8 Caucasian
4.4 Levantine
4.0 Mediterranean
3.6 Celto-Germanic
2.0 Mongolian

Target: Transnistria_mixed
Distance: 3.8329% / 3.83292896
68.6 Balto-Slavic
16.2 Caucasian
7.2 Mediterranean
3.8 Levantine
3.2 Indian
1.0 Mongolian

Target: Ion_Basescul
Distance: 2.2573% / 2.25732869
45.4 Balto-Slavic
15.2 Celto-Germanic
13.8 Levantine
13.2 Mediterranean
8.2 Caucasian
4.2 Mongolian

Target: Zmey
Distance: 2.0167% / 2.01671168
60.2 Balto-Slavic
18.2 Levantine
11.4 Mediterranean
7.6 Caucasian
2.6 Celto-Germanic

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 2.3248% / 2.32478081
50.4 Balto-Slavic
17.8 Mediterranean
14.0 Caucasian
10.6 Celto-Germanic
5.6 Levantine
1.6 Mongolian

Target: Suceava_county
Distance: 2.4854% / 2.48537661
43.2 Balto-Slavic
23.6 Levantine
22.4 Celto-Germanic
7.4 Mediterranean
1.6 Mongolian
1.0 Caucasian
0.8 Indian

Target: Botosani_county
Distance: 1.7808% / 1.78082502
59.2 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Levantine
14.2 Mediterranean
8.0 Caucasian
2.4 Celto-Germanic
1.2 Mongolian

Target: Neamt_county
Distance: 2.4053% / 2.40531091
43.4 Balto-Slavic
19.8 Levantine
14.0 Caucasian
10.8 Mediterranean
9.4 Celto-Germanic
2.6 Mongolian

Target: Vaslui_county_1
Distance: 2.2384% / 2.23835923
47.2 Balto-Slavic
17.8 Levantine
17.0 Mediterranean
9.4 Celto-Germanic
6.6 Caucasian
2.0 Mongolian

Target: Vaslui_county_2
Distance: 2.6372% / 2.63720586
38.4 Balto-Slavic
24.8 Levantine
22.6 Celto-Germanic
10.4 Mediterranean
2.4 Mongolian
1.4 Caucasian

Target: Fellow
Distance: 5.7647% / 5.76472767
33.2 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Celto-Germanic
25.2 Levantine
16.0 Mediterranean

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 4.7771% / 4.77709166
42.8 Balto-Slavic
20.2 Mediterranean
20.0 Levantine
9.4 Celto-Germanic
7.4 Caucasian

I wouldn't even call the person from Transnistria mixed personally, but I'm recording her as such just for the sake of not being called biased :lol:
Pure Ukrainians score an average of Baltic in the lower 40s% on K13, so she could easily be straight up pure Ukrainian genetically.

[Aspirin]

I know, but firstly they exist in Moldavia and R. Moldova in comfortable numbers and secondly they both score too much Baltic for Wallachia and too much Baltic and/or too little Atlantic for Transylvania.
Obviously this isn't a scientific study and that's why academic data is most reliable.

This surname is very common in Romania, mostly in Transilvania, in Moldova region is very atypical. He is in top 20 most popular Romanian surnames. In Republic he exist too, but is more concetrate on periferic regions, especially from north, plus many people from minorites have it. And first time I hear about high Atlantic in Romanians from Transylvania, many score even lower than this individual, about Baltic, I don't know, the user Carpatz score 30% Baltic, but he is from Maramureș, not really Transylvania.

[Ion Basescul]

This surname is very common in Romania, mostly in Transilvania, in Moldova region is very atypical. He is in top 20 most popular Romanian surnames. In Republic he exist too, but is more concetrate on periferic regions, especially from north, plus many people from minorites have it. And first time I hear about high Atlantic in Romanians from Transylvania, many score even lower than this individual, about Baltic, I don't know, the user Carpatz score 30% Baltic, but he is from Maramureș, not really Transylvania.

He scores 28%, but yeah, they could be either from there or Moldavia, since they fit with the rest. With regards to higher Atlantic, if I'm not mistaken right now, that's kind of what I noticed. I will create separate threads on Transylvania, Wallachia and then a summary thread for all 3 regions at some point in the future.

Romanian_Transylvania:Carpatz,22.59,28.44,19.80,7. 19,15.77,3.34,0.34,1.3 8,1.16,0,0,0,0

[Jana]

Transylvania is very much Balkan region from genetic point of view. Not central European at all. At least it seems so based on limited data I have seen.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Transylvania is very much Balkan region from genetic point of view. Not central European at all. At least it seems so based on limited data I have seen.

They seem to score on average 3-8% more NA/Baltic summed up than Wallachians and are pretty much identical to Moldavians, apart from these Moldavian cases with over 28% Baltic.

[Aspirin]

He scores 28%, but yeah, they could be either from there or Moldavia, since they fit with the rest. With regards to higher Atlantic, if I'm not mistaken right now, that's kind of what I noticed. I will create separate threads on Transylvania, Wallachia and then a summary thread for all 3 regions at some point in the future.

Romanian_Transylvania:Carpatz,22.59,28.44,19.80,7. 19,15.77,3.34,0.34,1.3 8,1.16,0,0,0,0

The problem is what in your list exist two individuals with the same surname, and you don't know anything about them. And their surname is not even in top 100 or even top 200 in today Republic, but is very common in Romania. This is the reason why I don't really belive they are locals.

[Jana]

They seem to score on average 3-8% more NA/Baltic summed up than Wallachians and are pretty much identical to Moldavians, apart from these Moldavian cases with over 28% Baltic.

That's comfortably in north Balkan range. Bosnia itself is more northern shifted than that.

[Ion Basescul]

The problem is what in your list exist two individuals with the same surname, and you don't know anything about them. And their surname is not even in top 100 or even top 200 in today Republic, but is very common in Romania. This is the reason why I don't really belive they are locals.

I know that they are not a family or relatives, as I've checked just in case. I could simply keep them here and then also include in the Transylvania table. When we will have the summary, they will be assigned to the "white" region, i.e. uncertain origin

[Ion Basescul]

They seem to score on average 3-8% more NA/Baltic summed up than Wallachians and are pretty much identical to Moldavians, apart from these Moldavian cases with over 28% Baltic.

Do "-escu" surnames exist outside of Wallachia? I've got some interesting cases, which I'm not sure about.

[Aspirin]

They seem to score on average 3-8% more NA/Baltic summed up than Wallachians and are pretty much identical to Moldavians, apart from these Moldavian cases with over 28% Baltic.

Tranylvanians are not identicall to Moldavians, much more Balkan.

[Aspirin]

From Romania Moldova.

M927872 - both parents from Vaslui county, rural area.

M272006 - both parents from Vaslui county, rural area.

M080231 - Botosani county father/Iasi county mother.

M827504 - Neamț county, from Tîrgu Neamț.

https://sun9-6.userapi.com/c850628/v850628079/1df6aa/x6Q8cpTAmT4.jpg

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Do "-escu" surnames exist outside of Wallachia? I've got some interesting cases, which I'm not sure about.

http://nume.ottomotor.ro/en

I'm trying to think based on personal experience.

A+name+ței/sei is the most common type of surname (I mean type, random surnames are more common) in Romanian Moldova, despite it being originary from the upper half of the area. Adochiței, Atodiresei, Adomniței, Avasiliței, etc.

Popescu is somewhat common. After this one, -escu names are as common as names ending in -achi/-ichi, indicating Greek ancestry.

Munteanu is a common surname.


Tranylvanians are not identicall to Moldavians, much more Balkan.

I'm basing this on K13/15 results, not MyHeritage/23andme.

[Aspirin]

I'm basing this on K13/15 results, not MyHeritage/23andme.

In K13/15 is mostly and seen.

[Ion Basescul]

From Romania Moldova.

M927872 - both parents from Vaslui county, rural area.

M272006 - both parents from Vaslui county, rural area.

M080231 - Botosani county father/Iasi county mother.

M827504 - Neamț county, from Tîrgu Neamț.

https://sun9-6.userapi.com/c850628/v850628079/1df6aa/x6Q8cpTAmT4.jpg

We have everyone, apart from M080231, which was deleted from GEDmatch.
ERROR: Kit number |M080231| not found.

[Ion Basescul]

http://nume.ottomotor.ro/en

I'm trying to think based on personal experience.

A+name+ței/sei is the most common type of surname (I mean type, random surnames are more common) in Romanian Moldova, despite it being originary from the upper half of the area. Adochiței, Atodiresei, Adomniței, Avasiliței, etc.

Popescu is somewhat common. After this one, -escu names are as common as names ending in -achi/-ichi, indicating Greek ancestry.

Munteanu is a common surname.



I'm basing this on K13/15 results, not MyHeritage/23andme.

Forebears.io is also a good source of surnames. If you click on the country then it will go to a lower administrative level. That works for Romania and Moldova too.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Forebears.io is also a good source of surnames. If you click on the country then it will go to a lower administrative level. That works for Romania and Moldova too.

Interesting, quite useful actually. What's cool is that I can see that the incidence of my surname is very common in both Vaslui and Ungheni, the Rep. Moldova county right next to it.

[Ion Basescul]

Interesting, quite useful actually. What's cool is that I can see that the incidence of my surname is very common in both Vaslui and Ungheni, the Rep. Moldova county right next to it.

Yeah, mine is pretty common in R. Moldova, but actually more widespread in Transylvania than Moldavia.
Either someone had a lot of sex in Hunedoara or it spread from there East. I think that it spread from there because the village of the same name is recorded there in 1330 in Magyar records, changed names to a Saxon variation in 1448, then returned to the old name in 1642 and remained as such until this day. Thank god for arcanum.hu, which has a wealth of records on this.

https://i.imgur.com/j1WOkgI.png
https://i.imgur.com/XfSHN1A.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

]

My grandpa says his paternal great-grandfather probably came from Ardeal. I highly doubt it since our family name is technically non-existent in Transylvania, it only exists in Moldova mostly and sometimes Wallachia. I have also checked an old marriage registry used for looking up names and it does not exist.

Of course, it's possible that he just took a family name when he settled in Vaslui.

[Aspirin]

Forebears.io is also a good source of surnames. If you click on the country then it will go to a lower administrative level. That works for Romania and Moldova too.

This site is bullshit, use this one: https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en/

My surname.
https://pp.userapi.com/c850132/v850132804/f0d78/yRr07gWv9qQ.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c850132/v850132804/f0d8a/J9wvXckl20g.jpg

[Ion Basescul]

This site is bullshit, use this one: https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en/

My surname.
https://pp.userapi.com/c850132/v850132804/f0d78/yRr07gWv9qQ.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c850132/v850132804/f0d8a/J9wvXckl20g.jpg

Nice source, which I wasn't aware of, but it doesn't change much for my surname. And I think that casata is almost identical too. Yours seems very popular in both countries. Regățean cu acte :hiding:

https://i.imgur.com/UJvbDSP.png
https://i.imgur.com/d3BwF1x.png

[Aspirin]

Nice source, which I wasn't aware of, but it doesn't change much for my surname. And I think that casata is almost identical too. Yours seems very popular in both countries. Regățean

My surname is very specific Moldavian, is mostly present in Moldova region, outside of this region, people with such surname have high probability to have ancestry from Moldova region.

[ixulescu]

My surname is very specific Moldavian, is mostly present in Moldova region, outside of this region, people with such surname have high probability to have ancestry from Moldova region.

still regatean.

[Aspirin]

still regatean.

In your dreams.

[ixulescu]

In your dreams.

:lovehearts:

[Nurzat]

a Eurogenes K13 updated run on Vahaduo -http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm with nothing removed from source (what's below 1% removed from result):

less mixed Romanians, like FellowGF, show high affinity to Macedonia and northern Greece, I bet it's the Vlach connection, because of Vlach migration from the Balkans prior to 14th century.

sees a strong Ukrainian half for me, that's quite precise, I'm surprised.

Fellow himself is a mystery on every calc xD


Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.2910% / 0.29098972
47.2 Ukrainian
14.8 Romanian_Muntenia
10.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.0 French_Basque
4.6 Sardinian
4.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
4.2 Tabassaran
2.4 Georgian_imereti
2.0 Estonian
1.2 Balkar
1.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod


Target: Fellow
Distance: 1.5090% / 1.50896660
27.0 Romanian_Muntenia
25.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
18.6 Swiss_Italian
16.2 Bulgarian_Southwest
8.6 Southwest_Finnish
3.2 Southeast_English


Target: FellowGF
Distance: 0.6469% / 0.64692354
33.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
16.6 Romanian_Muntenia
12.4 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
10.6 Ukrainian
6.8 Macedonian_Greece
5.8 Estonian
3.4 Serb_North-Macedonia
2.6 Norwegian
2.6 Sardinian
2.0 Southwest_Finnish
1.8 Bulgarian_Burgas
1.0 French_Basque


Target: Zmey
Distance: 0.7285% / 0.72853913
28.6 Bulgarian_Northwest
21.6 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
19.0 Latvian
14.2 Polish
8.2 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
2.8 Pomak_Nevrokopi
1.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.6 Laz


Target: Neamt_county
Distance: 0.3526% / 0.35261280
19.0 Greek_Western-Macedonia
17.8 Bulgarian_Northwest
12.8 Cossacks_Kuban
10.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
7.8 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.8 Laz
5.4 Macedonian_Greece
4.6 Belorussian
4.4 Latvian
4.0 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
1.8 Turk_Xanthi
1.2 North_Ossetian
1.0 Norwegian

for the rest it's less relevant since they are part of the source

[Ion Basescul]

Our list is getting thick, after I've discovered the user lookup feature on GEDmatch.
Do you have any recommendations for a screen capture software that allows one to scroll?

[Ion Basescul]

Our list is getting thick, after I've discovered the user lookup feature on GEDmatch.
Do you have any recommendations for a screen capture software that allows one to scroll?

Actually never mind, I figured it. If you can't capture scrollable screenshots in Google Sheets, then saving the sheet as HTML and opening it offline does the trick.

Previous version v3:
https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png

Here's v4:
https://i.imgur.com/mXHx36n.png

[Leto]

Cool. The full Roma one is particularly interesting, Roma aren't very numerous in the Rep of Moldova (less than 1 percent).

[Ion Basescul]

Cool. The full Roma one is particularly interesting, Roma aren't very numerous in the Rep of Moldova (less than 1 percent).

Yes, she is the wife of Ciobanu (1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Transnistria) and I have the results of their descendants too. I match the father and descendants on MyHeritage. They have a huge and well researched family tree, so maybe we will meet the father on genetic forums one day. :)

North_Atlantic 20.17 Pct
Baltic 24.43 Pct
West_Med 11.45 Pct
West_Asian 10.75 Pct
East_Med 18.59 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 11.29 Pct
East_Asian 0.62 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.45 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.81 Pct

North_Atlantic 16.79 Pct
Baltic 24.07 Pct
West_Med 13.79 Pct
West_Asian 11.03 Pct
East_Med 16.10 Pct
Red_Sea 1.41 Pct
South_Asian 12.87 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 2.21 Pct
Amerindian 0.23 Pct
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.58 Pct

[Aspirin]

Cool. The full Roma one is particularly interesting, Roma aren't very numerous in the Rep of Moldova (less than 1 percent).

In Călărași live a visible Gypsy comunity.

[Ion Basescul]

In Călărași live a visible Gypsy comunity.

I'd even say more. The name of her village is the same as the name for one Roma type. You should find it quickly if interested.

[Aspirin]

I'd even say more. The name of her village is the same as the name for one Roma type. You should find it quickly if interested.

What is the name of the village?

[Ion Basescul]

What is the name of the village?

Numarul 42 din lista localitatilor din Calarasi (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewraion&id=2500) pe casata. Nu vreau sa-l citez aici direct ca sa pastrez confidentialitatea.

[Aspirin]

Numarul 42 din lista localitatilor din Calarasi (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewraion&id=2500) pe casata. Nu vreau sa-l citez aici direct ca sa pastrez confidentialitatea.

Se prea poate, da poate să fie şi din Drochia, pe la nord tot îs mulţişori. Pe la centru știu că-s mulți în Călărași și Hîncești, și prin împrejurimile Chișinăului (Băcioi, Durlești).

[Aspirin]

Acel Ariciuc din Botoșani are familie ucrainizată, la noi tot sînt multe familii de așa gen.

[Ion Basescul]

Se prea poate, da poate să fie şi din Drochia, pe la nord tot îs mulţişori. Pe la centru știu că-s mulți în Călărași și Hîncești, și prin împrejurimile Chișinăului (Băcioi, Durlești).

Persoana asta-i de acolo. E indicat in arborele genealogic de pe MyHeritage.

[Ion Basescul]

Acel Ariciuc din Botoșani are familie ucrainizată, la noi tot sînt multe familii de așa gen.

Da, dar daca persoana e din Romania, atunci probabil ca e amestecata. La noi familiile ucrainizate nu indica neaparat geneflow recent. Pe timpul Imperiului Rus si a Uniunii Sovietice, in unele locuri familiile autohtone erau sistematic slavicizate.

[Leto]

Yes, she is the wife of Ciobanu (1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Transnistria) and I have the results of their descendants too. I match the father and descendants on MyHeritage. They have a huge and well researched family tree, so maybe we will meet the father on genetic forums one day. :)

North_Atlantic 20.17 Pct
Baltic 24.43 Pct
West_Med 11.45 Pct
West_Asian 10.75 Pct
East_Med 18.59 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 11.29 Pct
East_Asian 0.62 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.45 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.81 Pct

North_Atlantic 16.79 Pct
Baltic 24.07 Pct
West_Med 13.79 Pct
West_Asian 11.03 Pct
East_Med 16.10 Pct
Red_Sea 1.41 Pct
South_Asian 12.87 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 2.21 Pct
Amerindian 0.23 Pct
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.58 Pct
So she seems to have assimilated into the white population (by white I obviously mean the majority pop). Those kids are basically 1/8 South Asian. How much do they get on HarappaWorld?

[Daos777]

Actually never mind, I figured it. If you can't capture scrollable screenshots in Google Sheets, then saving the sheet as HTML and opening it offline does the trick.

Previous version v3:
https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png


Here's v4:
https://i.imgur.com/mXHx36n.png

Add me to the list

[Leto]

Add me to the list
You are in the list. Did you delete your Gedmatch? The other day I tried running your number but it was fucking gone.

[Aspirin]

Add me to the list

You are in the list, look again.

[Daos777]

You are in the list, look again.

Oh lol I’m dumb. My 23 and me is v5 btw

[Daos777]

You are in the list. Did you delete your Gedmatch? The other day I tried running your number but it was fucking gone.

Yeah I made a different one

[Ion Basescul]

So she seems to have assimilated into the white population (by white I obviously mean the majority pop). Those kids are basically 1/8 South Asian. How much do they get on HarappaWorld?

Our Gypsies are different from the ones in the region from a social POV, because they are integrated into the dominant culture, just as most other nationalities.
We are skilled at accepting others into our culture. That's probably connected to us being so few, so anyone who's interested in us feels like a novelty.

https://diez.md/2019/09/15/foto-cu-bucate-traditionale-si-straie-nationale-cum-s-desfasurat-festivalul-etniilor-la-chisinau/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8sc6lZ2oo

[Leto]

Our Gypsies are different from the ones in the region from a social POV, because they are integrated into the dominant culture, just as most other nationalities.
We are skilled at accepting others into our culture. That's probably connected to us being so few, so anyone who's interested in us feels like a novelty.

https://diez.md/2019/09/15/foto-cu-bucate-traditionale-si-straie-nationale-cum-s-desfasurat-festivalul-etniilor-la-chisinau/

[video=youtube;uX8sc6lZ2oo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8sc6lZ2oo
Well, that's fine but a black man living in Chisinau isn't really the topic of the discussion, is he ;)

[Ion Basescul]

Well, that's fine but a black man living in Chisinau isn't really the topic of the discussion, is he ;)

He lives in a village in the North, but the point was that those who want to be integrated get integrated.
You should look at that photo set from above the video link.

[Leto]

He lives in a village in the North, but the point was that those who want to be integrated get integrated.
You should look at that photo set from above the video link.
I'm against multiculturalism. That's typical Soviet/post-Soviet BS, i.e. "friendship of peoples". In Russia the same shit was made the state ideology. The problem is they don't even distinguish between natives and immigrant groups. Basically everyone living in the country is considered part of the "ethnic mosaic". Greeks, Azerbaijanis, Poles, etc. have nothing to do with Bessarabia. That's how the native majority is being undermined/diluted.

[Ion Basescul]

I'm against multiculturalism. That's typical Soviet/post-Soviet BS, i.e. "friendship of peoples". In Russia the same shit was made the state ideology. The problem is they don't even distinguish between natives and immigrant groups. Basically everyone living in the country is consider part of the "ethnic mosaic". Greeks, Azerbaijanis, Poles, etc. have nothing to do with Bessarabia. That's how the native majority is being undermined/diluted.

Woosh, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Leto]

Woosh, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Do you support multiculturalism?

[Leto]

I think I merely asked you to post their HarappaWorld results. I don't need any irrelevant bullshit.

[Ion Basescul]

Do you support multiculturalism?

Yes

[Leto]

Yes
Even if it's non-European, Islamic?

[Ion Basescul]

Even if it's non-European, Islamic?

Even so, as in a couple of generations they'll be assimilated. It was proven countless of times all over the world.

[Ion Basescul]

How much do they get on HarappaWorld?

S-Indian 10.50 Pct
Baloch 11.10 Pct
Caucasian 20.61 Pct
NE-Euro 31.64 Pct
SE-Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
NE-Asian 1.14 Pct
Papuan 0.38 Pct
American 0.53 Pct
Beringian 0.28 Pct
Mediterranean 17.63 Pct
SW-Asian 5.15 Pct
San 0.27 Pct
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

S-Indian 9.66 Pct
Baloch 11.07 Pct
Caucasian 20.71 Pct
NE-Euro 33.36 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian 0.79 Pct
Papuan 0.62 Pct
American 0.37 Pct
Beringian -
Mediterranean 18.90 Pct
SW-Asian 4.33 Pct
San 0.20 Pct
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

I've just noticed Romanian-b (Behar) on HarrapaWorld, 21% South Indian :lol:. Romanian-a (Behar) is 0.97%. Speak of mislabelling.

[Leto]

Even so, as in a couple of generations they'll be assimilated. It was proven countless of times all over the world.
I disagree, they don't (Germany, France, UK, etc. disprove it) but let's stop here.

[Leto]

S-Indian 10.50 Pct
Baloch 11.10 Pct
Caucasian 20.61 Pct
NE-Euro 31.64 Pct
SE-Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian 0.49 Pct
NE-Asian 1.14 Pct
Papuan 0.38 Pct
American 0.53 Pct
Beringian 0.28 Pct
Mediterranean 17.63 Pct
SW-Asian 5.15 Pct
San 0.27 Pct
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

S-Indian 9.66 Pct
Baloch 11.07 Pct
Caucasian 20.71 Pct
NE-Euro 33.36 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian 0.79 Pct
Papuan 0.62 Pct
American 0.37 Pct
Beringian -
Mediterranean 18.90 Pct
SW-Asian 4.33 Pct
San 0.20 Pct
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

I've just noticed Romanian (Behar) on HarrapaWorld. 21% South Indian :lol:
Yes, that's a Romanian tzigane reference.

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, that's a Romanian tzigane reference.

Yep, it's full Roma. Their mother has a very tight fit.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 23.68
2 S-Indian 20.3
3 Baloch 15.84
4 Mediterranean 15.3
5 NE-Euro 14.48
6 SW-Asian 6.97
7 Siberian 1.11
8 SE-Asian 0.91
9 Beringian 0.77
10 Papuan 0.47
11 American 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-b (behar) 3.85
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 22.51
3 pashtun (harappa) 22.58
4 bene-israel-jew (behar) 22.72
5 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 23.06
6 tajik (yunusbayev) 24.12
7 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.54
8 ashkenazi (harappa) 24.64
9 turkish (harappa) 26.31
10 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 26.66
11 iranian (harappa) 27.16
12 sephardic-jew (behar) 27.22
13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 27.36
14 kurd (harappa) 27.39
15 iranian (behar) 27.42
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 27.44
17 kashmiri (harappa) 27.56
18 iraqi-arab (harappa) 27.58
19 azeri (harappa) 27.61
20 morocco-jew (behar) 27.66

[Leto]

Yep, it's full Roma. Their mother has a very tight fit.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 23.68
2 S-Indian 20.3
3 Baloch 15.84
4 Mediterranean 15.3
5 NE-Euro 14.48
6 SW-Asian 6.97
7 Siberian 1.11
8 SE-Asian 0.91
9 Beringian 0.77
10 Papuan 0.47
11 American 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-b (behar) 3.85
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 22.51
3 pashtun (harappa) 22.58
4 bene-israel-jew (behar) 22.72
5 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 23.06
6 tajik (yunusbayev) 24.12
7 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.54
8 ashkenazi (harappa) 24.64
9 turkish (harappa) 26.31
10 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 26.66
11 iranian (harappa) 27.16
12 sephardic-jew (behar) 27.22
13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 27.36
14 kurd (harappa) 27.39
15 iranian (behar) 27.42
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 27.44
17 kashmiri (harappa) 27.56
18 iraqi-arab (harappa) 27.58
19 azeri (harappa) 27.61
20 morocco-jew (behar) 27.66
I've yet to see a Romani with at least 30% S-Indian on Eurogenes.

[Ion Basescul]

I've yet to see a Romani with at least 30% S-Indian on Eurogenes.

Are they supposed to have that much? For unmixed Balkan Romas, their dominant ancestry is West Asian-like, followed by Euro and then South Asian.

[Leto]

Are they supposed to have that much? For unmixed Balkan Romas, their dominant ancestry is West Asian-like, followed by Euro and then South Asian.
Well, they look so brown, so people think they're just a bunch of fucking Indians living in Europe.

[Ion Basescul]

Let's play a guessing game. Can you predict how she would score on K13?

https://www.publika.md/echipa/marina-urusbaeva_2201.html

From 14th second
https://www.publika.md/atentie-emisiunea-live-cu-lili-lozan-isi-schimba-ora-de-emisie_1348021.html

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Let's play a guessing game. Can you predict how she would score on K13?

https://www.publika.md/echipa/marina-urusbaeva_2201.html

From 14th second
https://www.publika.md/atentie-emisiunea-live-cu-lili-lozan-isi-schimba-ora-de-emisie_1348021.html

Probably: 35+ Baltic
Possible but I would choose above answer: 32-35 Baltic

[Ion Basescul]

Probably: 35+ Baltic
Possible but I would choose above answer: 32-35 Baltic

Well her surname is Russian, so she is most likely of Russian descent first of all, but was born in Chisinau, Moldova and apparently has also got some local mix. My guess would be either 1/4 or 1/8 Roma. She matches the full Roma (Arap) and also other full Romas from Wallachia, which I will publish in the yet to be created Wallachian thread.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.01
2 North_Atlantic 16.62
3 West_Asian 12.45
4 East_Med 12.34
5 West_Med 12.23
6 South_Asian 4.34
7 Red_Sea 1.86
8 Siberian 1.65
9 Amerindian 1.59
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Northeast_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.59
2 Croatian 11.04
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.41
4 Serbian 13.6
5 Romanian 14.39
6 Ukrainian 14.6
7 Bulgarian 14.83
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.31
9 Hungarian 15.37
10 Southwest_Russian 15.44
11 South_Polish 15.67
12 Tatar 17.58
13 Polish 17.87
14 Russian_Smolensk 18.08
15 Erzya 18.26
16 Kargopol_Russian 18.53
17 Estonian_Polish 18.66
18 Belorussian 19.65
19 Austrian 20.02
20 East_German 20.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% Armenian @ 5.11
2 70.8% Estonian_Polish + 29.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.11
3 61.7% Erzya + 38.3% Central_Greek @ 5.12
4 70% Erzya + 30% Cyprian @ 5.14
5 71.2% Kargopol_Russian + 28.8% Assyrian @ 5.15
6 75.2% Southwest_Russian + 24.8% Assyrian @ 5.21
7 71.1% Estonian_Polish + 28.9% Assyrian @ 5.23
8 75% Southwest_Russian + 25% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.26
9 69.7% Kargopol_Russian + 30.3% Cyprian @ 5.28
10 75.5% Southwest_Russian + 24.5% Armenian @ 5.29
11 71.3% Southwest_Russian + 28.7% Turkish @ 5.31
12 62.8% Erzya + 37.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.32
13 66.9% Estonian_Polish + 33.1% Turkish @ 5.33
14 65.3% Erzya + 34.7% South_Italian @ 5.37
15 61.6% Lithuanian + 38.4% Turkish @ 5.4
16 66.2% Lithuanian + 33.8% Assyrian @ 5.4
17 72.2% Kargopol_Russian + 27.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.41
18 71.1% Kargopol_Russian + 28.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.43
19 55.6% Erzya + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.44
20 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.44

[Leto]

Let's play a guessing game. Can you predict how she would score on K13?

https://www.publika.md/echipa/marina-urusbaeva_2201.html

From 14th second
https://www.publika.md/atentie-emisiunea-live-cu-lili-lozan-isi-schimba-ora-de-emisie_1348021.html
Urusbaeva sounds non-Slavic, non-Russian.
I'd guess her as 25-30% or so.

[Leto]

Well her surname is Russian, so she is most likely of Russian descent first of all, but was born in Chisinau, Moldova and apparently has also got some local mix. My guess would be either 1/4 or 1/8 Roma. She matches the full Roma (Arap) and also other full Romas from Wallachia, which I will publish in the yet to be created Wallachian thread.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.01
2 North_Atlantic 16.62
3 West_Asian 12.45
4 East_Med 12.34
5 West_Med 12.23
6 South_Asian 4.34
7 Red_Sea 1.86
8 Siberian 1.65
9 Amerindian 1.59
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Northeast_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.59
2 Croatian 11.04
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.41
4 Serbian 13.6
5 Romanian 14.39
6 Ukrainian 14.6
7 Bulgarian 14.83
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.31
9 Hungarian 15.37
10 Southwest_Russian 15.44
11 South_Polish 15.67
12 Tatar 17.58
13 Polish 17.87
14 Russian_Smolensk 18.08
15 Erzya 18.26
16 Kargopol_Russian 18.53
17 Estonian_Polish 18.66
18 Belorussian 19.65
19 Austrian 20.02
20 East_German 20.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% Armenian @ 5.11
2 70.8% Estonian_Polish + 29.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.11
3 61.7% Erzya + 38.3% Central_Greek @ 5.12
4 70% Erzya + 30% Cyprian @ 5.14
5 71.2% Kargopol_Russian + 28.8% Assyrian @ 5.15
6 75.2% Southwest_Russian + 24.8% Assyrian @ 5.21
7 71.1% Estonian_Polish + 28.9% Assyrian @ 5.23
8 75% Southwest_Russian + 25% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.26
9 69.7% Kargopol_Russian + 30.3% Cyprian @ 5.28
10 75.5% Southwest_Russian + 24.5% Armenian @ 5.29
11 71.3% Southwest_Russian + 28.7% Turkish @ 5.31
12 62.8% Erzya + 37.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.32
13 66.9% Estonian_Polish + 33.1% Turkish @ 5.33
14 65.3% Erzya + 34.7% South_Italian @ 5.37
15 61.6% Lithuanian + 38.4% Turkish @ 5.4
16 66.2% Lithuanian + 33.8% Assyrian @ 5.4
17 72.2% Kargopol_Russian + 27.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.41
18 71.1% Kargopol_Russian + 28.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.43
19 55.6% Erzya + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.44
20 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.44
Can you post her Dodecad K12b? She is obviously part Russian but also obviously part something else.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Well her surname is Russian, so she is most likely of Russian descent first of all, but was born in Chisinau, Moldova and apparently has also got some local mix. My guess would be either 1/4 or 1/8 Roma. She matches the full Roma (Arap) and also other full Romas from Wallachia, which I will publish in the yet to be created Wallachian thread.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.01
2 North_Atlantic 16.62
3 West_Asian 12.45
4 East_Med 12.34
5 West_Med 12.23
6 South_Asian 4.34
7 Red_Sea 1.86
8 Siberian 1.65
9 Amerindian 1.59
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Northeast_African 0.36



High West Asian and South Asian seem to be characteristic of people with Roma ancestry. Would have never guessed she has any though. Harappaworld?

[Seya]

Somebody should forward this thread to Seya, she tested both parents and one of them is full Romanian Moldovan (from south) as far as I know. Other is partly Greek.
Her fully Moldovan parent result would improve this average.

i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.

[Leto]

https://media.publika.md/md/image/201403/w298/marina_uruzbaieva_89625200.jpg

[Ion Basescul]

i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.

No, they don't. Everyone who is put as mixed is actually of mixed heritage. I have all the kits, so if there are unbelievers then they should simply PM me and ask for them. Then they can check for themselves and do the detective work. All people are easily googleable.

[Ion Basescul]

https://media.publika.md/md/image/201403/w298/marina_uruzbaieva_89625200.jpg

She kind of looks Romanian/Moldovan here. Her Russian descent is more obvious in the video that I linked.

[Ion Basescul]

Can you post her Dodecad K12b? She is obviously part Russian but also obviously part something else.

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.79
2 Atlantic_Med 19.36
3 Caucasus 18.52
4 Southwest_Asian 6.3
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 South_Asian 4.45
7 Siberian 1.8
8 East_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 10.07
2 Romanians (Behar) 12.94
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.52
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.54
5 German (Dodecad) 16.78
6 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.4
7 Polish (Dodecad) 20.06
8 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.71
9 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.18
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.53
11 Russian (Dodecad) 23.3
12 Russian_B (Behar) 23.47
13 Dutch (Dodecad) 23.6
14 Belorussian (Behar) 24.03
15 Russian (HGDP) 24.05
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 24.25
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 25.84
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 26.16
19 O_Italian (Dodecad) 26.19
20 French (Dodecad) 26.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% Russian (HGDP) + 40% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.13
2 54.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 45.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.23
3 62.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.29
4 59% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 41% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.41
5 52.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 47.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.45
6 60.1% Russian (HGDP) + 39.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
7 64.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 35.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.56
8 52.2% Russian (HGDP) + 47.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.57
9 50.8% Finnish (Dodecad) + 49.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.59
10 62.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.61
11 64.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 35.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.63
12 71.3% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 5.66
13 66.8% Romanians (Behar) + 33.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 5.72
14 56.9% Russian (HGDP) + 43.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.73
15 71.4% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.6% Iranians (Behar) @ 5.74
16 51.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 48.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.78
17 73.6% Romanians (Behar) + 26.4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.8
18 67.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 32.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.84
19 67.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 32.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.85
20 71.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.9% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.85


Considering that Romanian-b is a full Roma, she can be modelled as about 1/4 Roma, as I expected.

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 45.13
2 Caucasian 17.09
3 Mediterranean 16.9
4 Baloch 8.02
5 S-Indian 4.8
6 SW-Asian 4.39
7 Siberian 2.06
8 American 1.01
9 Papuan 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 slovenian (xing) 9.19
2 hungarian (behar) 9.32
3 romanian-a (behar) 13.32
4 ukranian (yunusbayev) 13.68
5 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.23
6 mordovian (yunusbayev) 17.68
7 n-european (xing) 17.74
8 russian (behar) 18.96
9 utahn-white (hapmap) 19.28
10 belorussian (behar) 19.48
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 19.73
12 french (hgdp) 20.35
13 chuvash (behar) 21.24
14 russian (hgdp) 21.29
15 british (1000genomes) 21.58
16 orcadian (hgdp) 22.89
17 italian (hgdp) 24.96
18 tuscan (hgdp) 26.82
19 tuscan (1000genomes) 26.9
20 tuscan (hapmap) 26.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 28.5% romanian-b (behar) @ 2.68
2 63.8% belorussian (behar) + 36.2% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.28
3 86.7% slovenian (xing) + 13.3% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.43
4 78.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21.3% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.44
5 84.5% slovenian (xing) + 15.5% pashtun (harappa) @ 4.47
6 63.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 36.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.58
7 65.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 34.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.62
8 57.8% romanian-a (behar) + 42.2% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.73
9 70.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 4.73
10 77.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 22.5% turkish (harappa) @ 4.75
11 72.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 27.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 4.76
12 83.6% slovenian (xing) + 16.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 4.76
13 81% slovenian (xing) + 19% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.77
14 79% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21% armenian (harappa) @ 4.79
15 62.6% romanian-a (behar) + 37.4% russian (hgdp) @ 4.86
16 70.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.7% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.9
17 79.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 20.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.93
18 86.7% slovenian (xing) + 13.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 4.96
19 87.3% slovenian (xing) + 12.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 4.97
20 78.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 21.1% lebanese (behar) @ 5

[Seya]

No, they don't. Everyone who is put as mixed is actually of mixed heritage. I have all the kits, so if there are unbelievers then they should simply PM me and ask for them. Then they can check for themselves and do the detective work. All people are easily googleable.

There have been discussions before. Some people here seem to know my heritage better than i do.

[Leto]

Yes, she is at least 1/8 Tzigane. Maybe even 1/4

(tzigane (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tzigane) is an actual obsolete word in English)

[Jana]

i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.

I think you father is typical southern Moldovan, because people from fully ethnically Moldovan district in RM plot with Bulgarians too, even bit more south than them. And those were academic samples.
It seems like southern Moldovans, regardless are they from Romania or RM are very Balkan genetically, while central and northern regions are quite more Slavic influenced.

Moldova doesn't seem genetically homogenous at all and I speak for full Moldovans not minorities like Ukrainians or Gagauz.

Could you post your father's K13 values? Ion should definitely add him to the chart :)

[Ion Basescul]

I think you father is typical southern Moldovan, because people from fully ethnically Moldovan district in RM plot with Bulgarians too, even bit more south than them. And those were academic samples.
It seems like southern Moldovans, regardless are they from Romania and RM are very Balkan genetically, while central and northern regions are quite more Slavic influenced.

Moldova doesn't seem genetically homogenous at all and I speak for full Moldovans not minorities like Ukrainians or Gagauz.

Could you post your father's K13 values? Ion should definitely add him to the chart :)

Yep all of Romania and R. Moldova generally follow the same North to South gradient, with some minor exceptions here and there.
But Romania's North to South gradient is much stronger in the East than in the West.

[Aspirin]

i doubt they will add my father in that graphic. although he's fully Moldavian from Vrancea for generations and he only scores Romania and Moldova on 23andme, he plots south with Bulgarians and that will mess up the average. anyone who doesn't meet the expectations is declared mixed and cut off. no one will ever find the moldovian average, at least not on TA.

According to you, your father have origins from Dobrogea.

[Seya]

According to you, your father have origins from Dobrogea.

He’s not. After my dna test is what i thought but no. My mother’s father has origins from there most probably aromanian.

[Aspirin]

He’s not. After my dna test is what i thought but no. My mother’s father has origins from there most probably aromanian.

Your own words.


Tatal meu e din Vrancea dar are origini si din Dobrogea.

[Seya]

Your own words.

Dude i thought so. I told you already
It was a suspicion i had. He didn’t get any region in dobrogea

[Pubiczar]

I think you father is typical southern Moldovan, because people from fully ethnically Moldovan district in RM plot with Bulgarians too, even bit more south than them. And those were academic samples.
It seems like southern Moldovans, regardless are they from Romania or RM are very Balkan genetically, while central and northern regions are quite more Slavic influenced.

Moldova doesn't seem genetically homogenous at all and I speak for full Moldovans not minorities like Ukrainians or Gagauz.

Could you post your father's K13 values? Ion should definitely add him to the chart :)

That's pretty inaccurate imho.
There were plenty of Moldovans posted on these forums and none of them was anything similar to the 'Moldovans' on G25. Many were posted in Ph2ter's plotting threads and again no such Moldovans.
We don't know exactly what kind of Moldovans these guys are...
Just because they were used in academic study doesn't mean that these studies are hundred percent accurate. There is even a 'Macedonian3' sample in G25 from a study and that guy is not really a Macedonian but Bosniak. There are many Bosniaks in Macedonia and they are pretty much integrated in the country.
Furthermore you can't take samples from a single village in Moldova as representative and average for all ethnic Moldovans.
That would be the same if we collect samples from South-Eastern Bulgarians who live close to Black Sea and take that as an average.
I have few samples from those Bulgarians and all of them end up in the Greek cluster, however that's not the Bulgarian average...

[Jana]

That's pretty inaccurate imho.
There were plenty of Moldovans posted on these forums and none of them was anything similar to the 'Moldovans' on G25. Many were posted in Ph2ter's plotting threads and again no such Moldovans.
We don't know exactly what kind of Moldovans these guys are...
Just because they were used in academic study doesn't mean that these studies are hundred percent accurate. There is even a 'Macedonian3' sample in G25 from a study and that guy is not really a Macedonian but Bosniak. There are many Bosniaks in Macedonia and they are pretty much integrated in the country.
Furthermore you can't take samples from a single village in Moldova as representative and average for all ethnic Moldovans.
That would be the same if we collect samples from South-Eastern Bulgarians who live close to Black Sea and take that as an average.
I have few samples from those Bulgarians and all of them end up in the Greek cluster, however that's not the Bulgarian average...

Who said they are representative for Moldovans as a whole?

[Aspirin]

Dude i thought so. I told you already
It was a suspicion i had. He didn’t get any region in dobrogea

From where he is (village, town)?

[Seya]

From where he is (village, town)?

family background village

[Leto]

He’s not. After my dna test is what i thought but no. My mother’s father has origins from there most probably aromanian.
I already asked you about his Dodecad results. I have yours and you are 3+% Mongoloid. I'd like to see his.
Since I'm neither Romanian, nor from the Balkans, I don't have any bad agenda.

[Aspirin]

family background village

Name?

[Seya]

Name?

i'll send you in private

[Seya]

I already asked you about his Dodecad results. I have yours and you are 3+% Mongoloid. I'd like to see his.
Since I'm neither Romanian, nor from the Balkans, I don't have any bad agenda.

Population
Gedrosia 4.08 Pct
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Northwest_African 1.21 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.40 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.24 Pct
North_European 36.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.97 Pct
East_Asian 0.08 Pct
Caucasus 24.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan

[Pubiczar]

Who said they are representative for Moldovans as a whole?

You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

[Leto]

Population
Gedrosia 4.08 Pct
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Northwest_African 1.21 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.40 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.24 Pct
North_European 36.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.97 Pct
East_Asian 0.08 Pct
Caucasus 24.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan
Thank you.
He scores barely two percent. Maybe a different chip, who knows. Or just random recombination and inheritance.

[Seya]

Thank you.
He scores barely two percent. Maybe a different chip, who knows. Or just random recombination and inheritance.

yes, he has less than i do. much less

[Jana]

You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

Which southern Moldovans did you see? Seya father plots similiary it seems and Fellow's gf who is southern Moldovan isn't much northern shifted either.

[Jana]

IncelSlayer is from Galati, but it's big industrial city, I doubt his ancestry is exactly from there.

[Pubiczar]

Which southern Moldovans did you see? Seya father plots similiary it seems and Fellow's gf who is southern Moldovan isn't much northern shifted either.

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

[Nurzat]

Da, dar daca persoana e din Romania, atunci probabil ca e amestecata. La noi familiile ucrainizate nu indica neaparat geneflow recent. Pe timpul Imperiului Rus si a Uniunii Sovietice, in unele locuri familiile autohtone erau sistematic slavicizate.

exact - in Romania nu a existat ucrainizare a numelor (cine sa le ucrainizeze, nu a fost niciodata teritoriul sub administratie ucraineana, din contra, sint constant rominizate), asa ca numele de familie ucrainiene indica descendenta din satele de ruteni si hutuli din nordul Moldovei

[Seya]

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

i have aromanian from my mom side. i didn't know they get dobrogea regions on 23andme. i thought they would get northern greece or something. that's why i imagined it was from my father side. but it's not.

[Jana]

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?


Fellow,28.06,24.76,17.53,6.52,18.76,0,0.10,0,1.37, 1.36,0.22,0,1.32
FellowGF,23.23,26.67,18.62,9.95,18.12,0,0,0.36,1.4 1,0.91,0.45,0.18,0.10

Gf is fully from Galati/Vaslui region. I'm 1/2 Iasi, 1/4 Suceava, 1/4 Vaslui.

Not sure is Vaslui southern Molodva though.

[Aspirin]

exact - in Romania nu a existat ucrainizare a numelor (cine sa le ucrainizeze, nu a fost niciodata teritoriul sub administratie ucraineana, din contra, sint constant rominizate), asa ca numele de familie ucrainiene indica descendenta din satele de ruteni si hutuli din nordul Moldovei

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

[Seya]

Not sure is Vaslui southern Molodva though.

Vaslui is center moldova

[Jana]

Vaslui is center moldova

So it seems she is only half southern Moldovan, and already pretty southern shifted. Therefore I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

[Seya]

So it seems she is only half southern Moldovan, and already pretty southern shifted. So I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

yes, as WeirdLookingFellow said, she plots right over the romanian dot on K15 map.

[Nurzat]

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

eu ziceam altceva - daca la voi e normal, pt ca ati avut administratie rusa, in Romania nu a existat niciodata o politica de ucrainizare a numelor, adica cele ucrainiene sint pur si simplu pt ca persoana are o mai apropiata sau mai departata origine ruteana sau hutula (judetele Maramures, Suceava si putin Botosani). la voi inteleg ca e normal, ca s-au pus terminatii -iuc si -ov asa la nume moldovenesti, aici nu s-a intimplat insa

[Ion Basescul]

You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

Dude, perhaps you haven't looked at what has been posted here. You can't just ignore all the samples posted here.
We have breakdowns by district and those Moldovans are pretty typical for the South. Cahul Moldovans (also South) are similar to those from G25. My mom is 1/2 Southern (Cahul) and 1/2 Ukrainian. Her Moldovan/Romanian part seems to coincide with theirs.


That's pretty inaccurate imho.
There were plenty of Moldovans posted on these forums and none of them was anything similar to the 'Moldovans' on G25. Many were posted in Ph2ter's plotting threads and again no such Moldovans.
We don't know exactly what kind of Moldovans these guys are...
Just because they were used in academic study doesn't mean that these studies are hundred percent accurate. There is even a 'Macedonian3' sample in G25 from a study and that guy is not really a Macedonian but Bosniak. There are many Bosniaks in Macedonia and they are pretty much integrated in the country.
Furthermore you can't take samples from a single village in Moldova as representative and average for all ethnic Moldovans.
That would be the same if we collect samples from South-Eastern Bulgarians who live close to Black Sea and take that as an average.
I have few samples from those Bulgarians and all of them end up in the Greek cluster, however that's not the Bulgarian average...

There is a big difference here.
Your situation with the Macedonians not being accurate is similar to those of the old Moldavians (p2hter also used them because they are from Eurogenes). Davidski himself deleted them and messaged me that they are not representative, as he found that they are mixed with Russians. The G25 Moldovans on the other hand are collected by the Reich laboratory. Those are fully verified and handpicked as opposed to the unverified Macedonians and old Moldavians. For example, all the G25 Moldovans are recorded in the Reich lab, while your Macedonians are not on that list. Hence, I'm not surprised that their data is dubious.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-present-day-and-ancient-dna-data-compiled-published-papers

[Ion Basescul]

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

Noi vorbim despre o persoana din Botosani. Face zero sens sa ai familie ucrainizata fara geneflow ucrainean in Romania. In R. Moldova e mai complicat si cum am spus, nu indica neaparat o amestecare.

[Aspirin]

Therefore I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

[Ion Basescul]

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

So David Reich is cooking his data now?

[Ion Basescul]

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

Let's not forget that you classified me phenotypically as, I quote, "Dinaro-Med Balkan look", when my ancestry is 2/4 Central, 1/4 Southern and 1/4 Ukrainian.
So you have at least one example that the phenotype doesn't necessarily match the genotype.

[Aspirin]

So David Reich is cooking his data now?

You can believe what you want, I don't believe, technically people from that village need too look very southern, not so far from Greeks, but they are the opposite.

[Ion Basescul]

You can believe what you want, I don't believe, technically people from that village need too look very southern, not so far from Greeks, but they are the opposite.

You know, for all the people that I've posted in this thread, I have their photos too, so perhaps do your research too and then you will learn for yourself that phenotypes are quite distant from genotypes. They are too ambiguous to try and predict someone's autosomal breakdown.

[Aspirin]

Let's not forget that you classified me phenotypically as, I quote, "Dinaro-Med Balkan look", when my ancestry is 2/4 Central, 1/4 Southern and 1/4 Ukrainian.
So you have at least one example that the phenotype doesn't necessarily match the genotype.

This is individually, is different than an entire group look like this.

[Jana]

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

Bulgarians look closer to Moldovans than to Greeks, at least in my opinion.

[Aspirin]

You know, for all the people that I've posted in this thread, I have their photos too, so perhaps do your research too and then you will learn for yourself that phenotypes are quite distant from genotypes. They are too ambiguous to try and predict someone's autosomal breakdown.

Phenotype is always close to your genotype, what you say is mostly on an individual level.

[Nurzat]

two Moldovan guys having a conversation in good English - no one in Bucharest would believe it. one, because why would Moldovans speak to each other other then in Russian or they gibberish Moldovan dialect? then, in English?! lol, yeah, sure xD

because one of the ideas that Romanians have of Moldovans is that the Moldovan youth speaks no English. I don't know where this stereotype comes from. there's a lot of Moldovans working corporate jobs in Romania, I assume they must speak good English to be hired.

[Leto]

You know, for all the people that I've posted in this thread, I have their photos too, so perhaps do your research too and then you will learn for yourself that phenotypes are quite distant from genotypes. They are too ambiguous to try and predict someone's autosomal breakdown.
Do you have the Gypsy woman's photo? And her mixed children. What do they look like?

[Aspirin]

Bulgarians look closer to Moldovans than to Greeks, at least in my opinion.

Only some of them.

[Nurzat]

Do you have the Gypsy woman's photo? And her mixed children. What do they look like?

u little perv xD

[Ion Basescul]

This is individually, is different than an entire group look like this.

If you were to go on Anthrogenica, there is a clear record on there in the Romanian thread that I'm maintaining, that I was the first one to question the authenticity of the Stefan Voda samples. At that time I made the claim that they are probably Gagauz. But after a while Reich released their exact location and name of the village and it is clear on casata that the place is fully Moldovan/Romanian. I personally don't have a strong counterargument against his data. The samples that I posted from Cahul, one from Ungheni and one with the surname Popa are probably pretty similar to them. There is also another one who is shifted to the South in a similar manner, which I will share in the next update, surname Pindus. It is non-existent in Romania, but it has 21 families in Chisinau. It is not found primarily in the city though, but the villages around it.

[Leto]

u little perv xD
Come on, I wanna as many genetic Tziganes as possible. They remain a mystery to me. Brown like fuck but autosomally only 1/3 Indian supposedly. As long as I haven't seen enough photographic materials together with DNA results, I cannot be sure.

[Ion Basescul]

Come on, I wanna as many genetic Tziganes as possible. They remain a mystery to me. Brown like fuck but autosomally only 1/3 Indian supposedly. As long as I haven't seen enough photographic materials together with DNA results, I cannot be sure.

We will have plenty of them in the Wallachian thread. I expect you to be a regular there.

[Jana]

Come on, I wanna as many genetic Tziganes as possible. They remain a mystery to me. Brown like fuck but autosomally only 1/3 Indian supposedly. As long as I haven't seen enough photographic materials together with DNA results, I cannot be sure.

South Balkanites are enough swarthy already, add to that Kurdish-like and low caste Indian-like input and you got average Gypsy.
Their DNA matches their looks very well.

[Leto]

We will have plenty of them in the Wallachian thread. I expect you to be a regular there.
You have genetic Roma with both photos and results?

[Ion Basescul]

You have genetic Roma with both photos and results?

I obviously won't post the photos, but yes. You can PM me for the kits and google yourself.

[Aspirin]

There is also another one who is shifted to the South in a similar manner, which I will share in the next update, surname Pindus. It is non-existent in Romania, but it has 21 families in Chisinau. It is not found primarily in the city though, but the villages around it.

This surname exist in Transylvania. From Moldova is imposible.

In this village this surname is most frequent, and is very mixed with Ukrainains/Russians. Plus the surname sounds very non-local, this is the reason why he is so rare.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=3154

[Ion Basescul]

This surname exist in Transylvania. From Moldova is imposible.

In this village this surname is most frequent, and is very mixed with Ukrainains/Russians.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=3154

Would a Transylvanian also have his email on list.ru?
This surname is most popular in Ukraine, according to forebears.io, the guy has an email on a Russian domain, but a very obvious Romanian/Moldovan name. Hence, moldovan din talpa.

[Leto]

South Balkanites are enough swarthy already, add to that Kurdish-like and low caste Indian-like input and you got average Gypsy.
Their DNA matches their looks very well.
Really? They look clearly non-white.
But maybe you're right. Tamil + Kurd/Turk/Armenian + Southern Euro. Not exactly a Nordic looking mix, to say the least.

[Jana]

We will have plenty of them in the Wallachian thread. I expect you to be a regular there.

You should make western Romanian thread too (Transylvania, Maramures, Banat and Crișana, including Szekler and Saxon samples). That would be awesome.

[Ion Basescul]

You should make western Romanian thread too (Transylvania, Maramures, Banat and Crișana, including Szekler and Saxon samples). That would be awesome.

I have no idea how to discriminate between Szekler and Hungarian from Hungary or Saxon and German from Germany surnames.
But I will have a thread on Romanian samples from Transylvania too. There might be some minorities too, if they are very obvious not to miss.

[Aspirin]

Would a Transylvanian also have his email on list.ru?
This surname is most popular in Ukraine, according to forebears.io, the guy has an email on a Russian domain, but a very obvious Romanian/Moldovan name. Hence, moldovan din talpa.

He can have foreign ancestry, or he is not even from RM. Moldavians can't be so much southern, this historically is imposible, only if these individuals have foreign ancestry, since such individuals are plenty in RM. This is another reason why in norhern areas many with such results looks like outliers.

[Jana]

I have no idea how to discriminate between Szekler and Hungarian from Hungary or Saxon and German from Germany surnames.
But I will have a thread on Romanian samples from Transylvania too. There might be some minorities too, if they are very obvious not to miss.

You could check if by looking at their gedmatch. I saw one of two Transylvanian Saxon 23andme results and they are mixed with Romanians.
Szeklers also have stronger Balkan input than regular Hungarians, they will plot mostly like user Kokeny and her mum.

[Jana]

He can have foreign ancestry, or he is not even from RM. Moldavians can't be so much southern, this historically is imposible, only if these individuals have foreign ancestry, since such individuals are plenty in RM. This is another reason why in norhern areas many with such results looks like outliers.

Has there ever been Aromanian settlement to southern Moldova? Those samples are not far from Balkan Vlachs genetically.

[Aspirin]

Has there ever been Aromanian settlement to southern Moldova? Those samples are not far from Balkan Vlachs genetically.

Maybe as merchants. But I don't think these results have something to do with Aromanians.

I made a thread with people from that village from Ștefan Vodă, and they don't look like Aromanians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318670-Pass-people-feom-C%26%23259%3Bplani-C%26%23259%3Bu%26%23537%3Beni-district-Moldova

[Ion Basescul]

Really? They look clearly non-white.
But maybe you're right. Tamil + Kurd/Turk/Armenian + Southern Euro. Not exactly a Nordic looking mix, to say the least.

At least the ones that have public data on GEDmatch look presentable.
Obviously not hwhite, but they aren't that strange. And they are also full Romas standing at 20-25% South Indian.
I will only give one example here. This person will be labelled as a full Roma in the Wallachian thread. She also has photos in traditional Gypsy folk costumes.
Most Gypsies that we see on the streets though are piss poor and/or living a nomadic lifestyle, so they look less pleasant than they could be.
Obviously those that give a damn about DNA and/or are more educated are able to take better care of themselves. Perhaps that's why they don't stand out, at least from my point of view.


https://i.imgur.com/hyvbBIn.png
https://i.imgur.com/miOKSVk.png
https://i.imgur.com/bq16Kb2.png
https://i.imgur.com/wQJmOS7.png


K13
North_Atlantic 5.66 Pct
Baltic 14.80 Pct
West_Med 12.28 Pct
West_Asian 18.02 Pct
East_Med 16.44 Pct
Red_Sea 3.01 Pct
South_Asian 25.06 Pct
East_Asian 2.61 Pct
Siberian 0.44 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.38 Pct
Northeast_African 0.09 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.19 Pct

S-Indian 21.23 Pct
Baloch 14.69 Pct
Caucasian 26.19 Pct
NE-Euro 16.02 Pct
SE-Asian 0.82 Pct
Siberian 0.84 Pct
NE-Asian 0.69 Pct
Papuan 1.32 Pct
American -
Beringian 0.15 Pct
Mediterranean 11.96 Pct
SW-Asian 5.79 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African 0.30 Pct


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 26.19
2 S-Indian 21.23
3 NE-Euro 16.02
4 Baloch 14.69
5 Mediterranean 11.96
6 SW-Asian 5.79
7 Papuan 1.32
8 Siberian 0.84
9 SE-Asian 0.82
10 NE-Asian 0.69
11 W-African 0.3
12 Beringian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-b (behar) 3.43
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 22.01
3 pashtun (harappa) 22.42
4 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 22.55
5 bene-israel-jew (behar) 22.74
6 tajik (yunusbayev) 24
7 ashkenazi (harappa) 25.47
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 25.64
9 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 25.66
10 turkish (harappa) 25.7
11 nogai (yunusbayev) 26.36
12 stalskoe (xing) 26.43
13 azeri (harappa) 26.45
14 iranian (harappa) 26.64
15 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 26.69
16 kurd (harappa) 27.05
17 iranian (behar) 27.21
18 turk (behar) 27.22
19 kashmiri (harappa) 27.56
20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 27.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% romanian-b (behar) + 9.1% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.46
2 93.3% romanian-b (behar) + 6.7% urkarah (xing) @ 2.65
3 95.5% romanian-b (behar) + 4.5% chuvash (behar) @ 2.73
4 91.4% romanian-b (behar) + 8.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.73
5 93% romanian-b (behar) + 7% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.73
6 94% romanian-b (behar) + 6% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.8
7 93.9% romanian-b (behar) + 6.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.81
8 97.1% romanian-b (behar) + 2.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.82
9 96.1% romanian-b (behar) + 3.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 2.82
10 93.7% romanian-b (behar) + 6.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.84
11 96.4% romanian-b (behar) + 3.6% russian (hgdp) @ 2.84
12 93.3% romanian-b (behar) + 6.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.85
13 94.4% romanian-b (behar) + 5.6% lezgin (behar) @ 2.87
14 93.4% romanian-b (behar) + 6.6% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
15 94.8% romanian-b (behar) + 5.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.9
16 96.5% romanian-b (behar) + 3.5% russian (behar) @ 2.91
17 94% romanian-b (behar) + 6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.92
18 97% romanian-b (behar) + 3% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.93
19 94.3% romanian-b (behar) + 5.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.93
20 94.6% romanian-b (behar) + 5.4% uzbek (behar) @ 2.93

Romanian-b is full Roma from Romania.

[Jana]

Maybe as merchants. But I don't think these results have something to do with Aromanians.

I made a thread with people from that village from Ștefan Vodă, and they don't look like Aromanians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318670-Pass-people-feom-C%26%23259%3Bplani-C%26%23259%3Bu%26%23537%3Beni-district-Moldova

Not familiar with Aromanian look tbh. What do you think is cause of such results?

[Ion Basescul]

Maybe as merchants. But I don't think these results have something to do with Aromanians.

I made a thread with people from that village from Ștefan Vodă, and they don't look like Aromanians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318670-Pass-people-feom-C%26%23259%3Bplani-C%26%23259%3Bu%26%23537%3Beni-district-Moldova

Can I ask how would you expect to score? Take K13 as a base, make some estimates and post them in this thread and then some months/years down the line we will compare how good you are at estimating autosomal breakdowns by looking at one's phenotype.

[Jana]

This Gypsy woman is very attractive.

[Leto]

Cool, she is definitely a full Tzigane. And looks way better than stereotypical Gypsies :cool:

[Jana]

Cool, she is definitely a full Tzigane. And looks way better than stereotypical Gypsies :cool:

Many Gypsies in my city are good looking when young. I think main problem is many of adults are fat and have degenerate lifestyle.

[Aspirin]

What do you think is cause of such results?

https://i.dlpng.com/static/png/6687486_thumb.png

[Leto]

Many Gypsies in my city are good looking when young. I think main problem is many of adults are fat and have degenerate lifestyle.
Yes, they could be better theoretically than they are. Gypsy culture is holding them down but let's not turn the thread into this discussion.

[Ion Basescul]

Any guesses at her ancestry and scores?


https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D03AQERUOy9CyVG-w/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0?e=1591228800&v=beta&t=DqieQmFnyCNpJWHaE5UEJhRISm49Tx1dLdFQIhhAa3Q

[Leto]

Any guesses at her ancestry and scores?


https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D03AQERUOy9CyVG-w/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0?e=1591228800&v=beta&t=DqieQmFnyCNpJWHaE5UEJhRISm49Tx1dLdFQIhhAa3Q

Moldovan and with 30+ percent Baltic? I hope we're not supposed to give a detailed guesstimate.

[Ion Basescul]

Moldovan and with 30+ percent Baltic? I hope we're not supposed to give a detailed guesstimate.

No, she was born in Ukraine and is married to a native Ukrainian speaking Ukrainian. But her maiden family name, Tsurkan (https://forebears.io/surnames/tsurkan), is of Moldovan/Romanian origin (original Latin version, as hers is transliterated from Cyrillic probably, is Turcan (https://forebears.io/surnames/turcan)). It is very popular in R. Moldova.
I think she's a half Ukrainian mix. She looks like the female version of Nurzat, who is half Ukrainian.

North_Atlantic 27.11 Pct
Baltic 37.38 Pct
West_Med 12.55 Pct
West_Asian 4.40 Pct
East_Med 12.93 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.22 Pct
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.78
2 Moldavian 7.38
3 Hungarian 8.06
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.38
5 South_Polish 8.59
6 Ukrainian 8.95
7 Serbian 10.91
8 Southwest_Russian 11.56
9 Polish 11.71
10 East_German 12.2
11 Austrian 12.53
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.62
13 Estonian_Polish 13.33
14 Russian_Smolensk 13.37
15 Belorussian 13.74
16 Romanian 14.6
17 Kargopol_Russian 15.47
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.16
19 Bulgarian 16.51
20 Erzya 17.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.5% Estonian + 34.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.53
2 69.9% Estonian + 30.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.54
3 69.9% Estonian + 30.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.62
4 70.6% Belorussian + 29.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.09
5 70.1% Estonian + 29.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.15
6 58.7% Estonian + 41.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.22
7 65.4% Estonian + 34.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.3
8 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.3
9 68.1% Belorussian + 31.9% Tuscan @ 3.34
10 68.8% Estonian_Polish + 31.2% Tuscan @ 3.36
11 75.2% Belorussian + 24.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.36
12 67.6% Estonian + 32.4% South_Italian @ 3.39
13 71.6% Estonian + 28.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.39
14 75.8% Estonian_Polish + 24.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.42
15 64.8% Estonian + 35.2% Central_Greek @ 3.52
16 75.3% Belorussian + 24.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.56
17 65% Belorussian + 35% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.57
18 73.1% Belorussian + 26.9% South_Italian @ 3.58
19 72.1% Southwest_Russian + 27.9% Tuscan @ 3.61
20 75.4% Belorussian + 24.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.62

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +50% Romanian @ 4.195218


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.676846


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.646600
2 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.676846
3 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.688285
4 Algerian_Jewish + Belorussian + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.723740
5 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Finnish + Italian_Jewish @ 2.769142
6 Estonian + Estonian + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.782158
7 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Ukrainian @ 2.795089
8 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.807140
9 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Italian_Jewish + Polish @ 2.821664
10 Belorussian + Estonian + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.826086
11 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.841588
12 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Finnish + Italian_Jewish @ 2.844390
13 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Ukrainian @ 2.858716
14 East_Finnish + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + Polish @ 2.860471
15 East_Finnish + Estonian + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.905860
16 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Italian_Jewish + South_Polish @ 2.907618
17 Estonian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish @ 2.910925
18 Belorussian + Estonian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish @ 2.915888
19 Belorussian + Finnish + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.924480
20 East_Finnish + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + South_Polish @ 2.936287

[Leto]

Haha, I actually thought of Nurzat too xD
Can you also share her Dodecad components?

[Ion Basescul]

Haha, I actually thought of Nurzat too xD
Can you also share her Dodecad components?


# Population Percent
1 North_European 47.3
2 Atlantic_Med 24.46
3 Caucasus 17.74
4 Southwest_Asian 4.67
5 Siberian 3.25
6 Gedrosia 2.51
7 Sub_Saharan 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 4.55
2 German (Dodecad) 12.36
3 Romanians (Behar) 14.5
4 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 16.05
5 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 16.3
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.43
7 Polish (Dodecad) 16.44
8 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.04
9 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.08
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.82
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 19.91
12 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 20.95
13 Russian (Dodecad) 21.02
14 Belorussian (Behar) 21.31
15 Russian_B (Behar) 21.34
16 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.41
17 Russian (HGDP) 22.2
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.48
19 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.66
20 English (Dodecad) 22.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.6% Finnish (Dodecad) + 49.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.91
2 50.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 49.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.04
3 59.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 40.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.17
4 53.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 46.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.18
5 51.9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 48.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.19
6 58.2% Russian (HGDP) + 41.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.25
7 51.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 48.9% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.47
8 52.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 47.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.52
9 58.8% Russian (HGDP) + 41.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.61
10 59.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 40.9% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.81
11 63.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 36.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.86
12 50.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.89
13 56.4% Russian_B (Behar) + 43.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.93
14 55.4% Russian (HGDP) + 44.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3
15 56.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 43.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.08
16 63.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 36.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.12
17 56.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 43.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.12
18 58.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 41.3% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.17
19 57.7% Russian (HGDP) + 42.3% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.17
20 60.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 39.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.2

[Nurzat]

No, she was born in Ukraine and is married to a native Ukrainian speaking Ukrainian. But her maiden family name, Tsurkan (https://forebears.io/surnames/tsurkan), is of Moldovan/Romanian origin (original Latin version, as hers is transliterated from Cyrillic probably, is Turcan (https://forebears.io/surnames/turcan)). It is very popular in R. Moldova.
I think she's a half Ukrainian mix. She looks like the female version of Nurzat, who is half Ukrainian.

I've used for Moldavian an average of some samples I find more relevant (about 10 samples both from RM and RO), outliers excluded:
Moldavian,23.542,27.288,16.546,10.864,16.132,1.706 ,0.3,0.848,1.9975,0.418,0.396,0.054,0.032

distance is not ideal (normal for mixed people but can also point to a different source we can't figure out):


Target: Tsurkanka
Distance: 4.3030% / 4.30296412
53.8 Moldavian
46.2 Belorussian

Target: Tsurkanka
Distance: 5.6200% / 5.61997732
51.2 Southwest_Russian
48.8 Moldavian

Target: Tsurkanka
Distance: 6.1322% / 6.13217471
56.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
38.8 Moldavian
4.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod


when I place Belorussian in the source it gets all the % against Ukrainian/Russian/Slovak/Lithuanian. so Belorussian (north Ukrainian?) seems best proxy for about half of her ancestry

[Nurzat]

Haha, I actually thought of Nurzat too xD
Can you also share her Dodecad components?

Ladogan connection xD

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91398721_234572741066609_7353381527155113984_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=0yKCJBfJbpUAX-IftKe&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=f4d0a79fcc913205647f77b9e0f9b43a&oe=5EA9CDCC

since PreSlavic (http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html) wasn't in the plates, I've compared to it separately, good result:

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91964587_234582771065606_4243476474981515264_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=9YPtYbzprdYAX8OdOF2&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=7c61c4858c7caf44195678b6dab8df6f&oe=5EAC7B7E

[WeirdLookingFellow]

2 Romanian samples via GEDMatch one to many, names CHireac and Oprisan, region is not known.

Woman Chireac


Population
North_Atlantic 24.82 Pct
Baltic 28.86 Pct
West_Med 16.91 Pct
West_Asian 7.63 Pct
East_Med 16.16 Pct
Red_Sea 1.99 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_Asian 0.41 Pct
Siberian 1.50 Pct
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

WOman Oprisan

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 21.83 Pct
West_Med 18.53 Pct
West_Asian 12.82 Pct
East_Med 20.66 Pct
Red_Sea 0.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 1.69 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Amerindian 1.25 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Ion Basescul]

2 Romanian samples via GEDMatch one to many, names CHireac and Oprisan, region is not known.

Woman Chireac


Population
North_Atlantic 24.82 Pct
Baltic 28.86 Pct
West_Med 16.91 Pct
West_Asian 7.63 Pct
East_Med 16.16 Pct
Red_Sea 1.99 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_Asian 0.41 Pct
Siberian 1.50 Pct
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

WOman Oprisan

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 21.83 Pct
West_Med 18.53 Pct
West_Asian 12.82 Pct
East_Med 20.66 Pct
Red_Sea 0.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 1.69 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Amerindian 1.25 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

We have the 2nd, I'll add the first. Oprisan is from Romania's Moldavia btw, as the surname doesn't exist in R. Moldova.

[Ion Basescul]

I've got another person from Central Moldova, in this village from Cimislia at the crossroads with Ialoveni and Hincesti.

https://i.imgur.com/Xtxmnuk.png

As was the case with the person from Hincesti, this person also scores 29% Baltic. Other persons already posted in the list from Central Moldova are from Ungheni - 26%, Zmey Gorynich who was a mix of Ialoveni and Telenesti at 33%, my dad at 32%. His paternal village in Orhei though is next door to Rezina and at the same latitude as Falesti, so technically he can be considered both Central and Northern.

https://i.imgur.com/Wq2IiS0.png

Speaking of Northern, there are 3 more samples and it seems that as Aspirin noticed previously, 33% is more or less the average there among unmixed Moldovans/Romanians.
The new ones are from:
Ocnita - 33%
Balti (Moldovan/Romanian maiden surname name) - 31%
Balti (offspring of the above, but dad's surname is Russian and she uses the feminine desinence "-a" after "-ov" meaning that their family's native language is most likely Russian) - 33%
This surname is also most popular among Latvian Russians than anywhere else, so on her dad's side I'm not sure of the origin, but given that she doesn't deviate much from the mom, dad might be heavily mixed locally.

I'll post the full update later in the evening.

[Leto]

WOman Oprisan

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 21.83 Pct
West_Med 18.53 Pct
West_Asian 12.82 Pct
East_Med 20.66 Pct
Red_Sea 0.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 1.69 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Amerindian 1.25 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Some Romanians are really low in Slavic ancestry.
Baltic 21.83 Pct

[Ion Basescul]

Update v5
+21 samples

https://i.imgur.com/IqkKI9v.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Some Romanians are really low in Slavic ancestry.
Baltic 21.83 Pct

Hard to really understand what has gone on in this ountry to see such diverse results, more specifically, how some score 20-20 na/baltic when you see even Bulgarians with more na/baltic sometimes. You'd expect things to go up the morth north you are but it's not necessarily reality.

[Aspirin]

That person with surname Vrabie from Gura-Galbenei is visible northern for that area. I checked local surnames from that village and majority of them are Moldavian.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?action=viewlocalitate&id=2919

Pictures with high-school graduates from that village:

https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/34505724_1551944108260790_2063187463047741440_o.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=XFWAC4GmG6oAX8AW4D0&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=4412747694ec1e62f1f249a7ffe2c608&oe=5EA9FD4B
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18835777_1884782135073471_1550428269734192343_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=KvoM6xiO4hQAX9MH9bk&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=c17e3034f38557e67f54227b3e0f6b56&oe=5EAD7E0D
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18767532_1884782131740138_8547447972147720390_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=DzdGTIdWaU8AX98EZqR&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=7ecb0eb4ac5bfa7f2e7a84af6474e205&oe=5EAA2A48
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18813545_1884782101740141_5223155696414576035_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=UKkJFrxB7QkAX9YzFah&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=6ccff15205f2d2576fd8308f9a545259&oe=5EAC0AD6
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18893083_1884782098406808_257050109717237376_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=YKUvh4U_vQwAX-MdoI_&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=a8cedf0884b84ceedfb6806972b0651c&oe=5EAA0DBB
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18740514_1884387655112919_3001593201157217057_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=53a0qzrDrmAAX8Euxks&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=6c472ed71d53a70b3ceaa71540c8585a&oe=5EAA96EB
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p640x640/16463732_1835129056705446_8106606106510806059_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=BKI5qusSJNsAX9gPiQV&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=94b2ac0991246371d1f734043919d877&oe=5EAC8B72
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19399821_1894834464068238_743729656801876524_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=kTAR48F0dh4AX9IfCHW&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=282fae20c8a680bcb186548b53fa2040&oe=5EAA2704
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19399567_1894834390734912_5957604777842119599_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=-ks6UCEDzF8AX8GADPF&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=53a83a67cb17410d4728f2f181677d2b&oe=5EAA9C21
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19399331_1894834357401582_5436902051255466050_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=adKxbZjh3jwAX_5lDrK&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=00d35add7e3ee774d957e2582559044e&oe=5EAD4E9A
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19420552_1894834330734918_3164082909791392577_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=CBg8xTYQJyoAX9hLxZh&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=42e25126ea942cf0dfc1f0b7463ebd53&oe=5EAD1C1B
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19366171_1894834304068254_7432106848112652562_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=aRLi3E2VbosAX_C1W3B&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=d3fe36d7f066ded9fe000413e456d7ce&oe=5EACBB70
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19510437_1894834290734922_424248196786956380_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=9mAnZUvST_AAX96Qdqv&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=9961c37a6c79a10f07e1af5520c8c039&oe=5EAB4F2A
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19400133_1894834227401595_7434584187133474870_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=LGYse8bDl40AX9Uqsf9&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=bdf40875388710a1310db61517fb8c1d&oe=5EAA2650
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18765912_1884782501740101_6925816534719321165_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=3pfOxHe9ivQAX9vnv6X&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=2eeb132606f185f96a26ac7caa3aaa07&oe=5EAB5016
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18813938_1884782468406771_8456421750771398870_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=jByi4vhZuXMAX825eWS&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=79b114873daef0cd6226f3e6ae352508&oe=5EAB50AF

[Ion Basescul]

That person with surname Vrabie from Gura-Galbenei is visible northern for that area. I checked local surnames from that village and majority of them are Moldavian.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?action=viewlocalitate&id=2919

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[/SPOILER]

Gura-Galbenei sits at the crossroads with Hincesti, Ialoveni and is only 30km from Chisinau. His results are in line with others from the central area.

[Ion Basescul]

Update v6
No additional samples have been added, but I sorted the table to make it easier to read
Also one with the surname Moldovan was Roma mixed, so has been moved to the mixed category.
I also forgot to add Tsurkan to Ukrainian mixed category, so that's also been changed.

https://i.imgur.com/XPmUCkg.png

[Leto]

That person with surname Vrabie from Gura-Galbenei is visible northern for that area. I checked local surnames from that village and majority of them are Moldavian.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?action=viewlocalitate&id=2919

Pictures with high-school graduates from that village:

https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18767532_1884782131740138_8547447972147720390_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=DzdGTIdWaU8AX98EZqR&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=7ecb0eb4ac5bfa7f2e7a84af6474e205&oe=5EAA2A48

The man in the gray suit looks Romani. Other than that, nice folks, quite a few can pass as Russians.

[Impaler]

Update v6
No additional samples have been added, but I sorted the table to make it easier to read
Also one with the surname Moldovan was Roma mixed, so has been moved to the mixed category.
I also forgot to add Tsurkan to Ukrainian mixed category, so that's also been changed.



Mihaela Moldovan is not Romani. I chatted with her daughter and they are not. She is Romanian + Csángó.

[Aspirin]

The man in the gray suit looks Romani. Other than that, nice folks, quite a few can pass as Russians.

He is just swarthy, is a common thing in central and southern regions to see such persons time by time, in the north is lesser, but exists too. Is just the contrast which make him to look like that.

https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s960x960/23738007_521559921512117_2119965255983554695_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=_EDdIt1K0cQAX_DGN3Y&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=57a0eff1305f78e04168ed6fe2b837ce&oe=5EAAA450
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s960x960/23736158_521559778178798_5540859052598969060_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=ubejhAC_7-wAX_Ik3eb&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=d868516400178ee833818728693c3d95&oe=5EAD3845

[Ion Basescul]

Mihaela Moldovan is not Romani. I chatted with her daughter and they are not. She is Romanian + Csángó.

Culturally perhaps not, but that's not typical neither for Csangos nor Romanians. 5% means that one of the grandparents was full Romani genetically. Culturally could have been anyone.
Do you know the region or shall I leave it as is?

[Ion Basescul]

Update v7
Moldovan has been moved from mixed and region uncertain to the RO mixed category

https://i.imgur.com/WtX8uT2.png

[Impaler]

Culturally perhaps not, but that's not typical neither for Csangos nor Romanians. 5% means that one of the grandparents was full Romani genetically. Culturally could have been anyone.
Do you know the region or shall I leave it as is?

From Constanta, Dobruja.

[Ion Basescul]

From Constanta, Dobruja.

Do you know if her Csango is from Moldavia? If not then I'll move her to the Wallachian table altogether. I'll still copy her there if her Romanian ancestry is from Wallachia.

[Impaler]

Do you know if her Csango is from Moldavia? If not then I'll move her to the Wallachian table altogether. I'll still copy her there if her Romanian ancestry is from Wallachia.

I really do not know from where.


Her daughter results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.03
2 North_Atlantic 24.67
3 East_Med 17.48
4 West_Med 16.77
5 West_Asian 7.82
6 South_Asian 2.06
7 Oceanian 1.57
8 Amerindian 1.5
9 Siberian 1.16
10 Red_Sea 1.08
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 East_Asian 0.31
13 Northeast_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.09
2 Serbian 4.82
3 Bulgarian 5.77
4 Moldavian 10.06
5 Hungarian 11.71
6 Croatian 12.53
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.81
8 Austrian 14.56
9 North_Italian 15.9
10 East_German 16.21
11 Tuscan 16.64
12 West_German 18.12
13 French 18.56
14 Italian_Abruzzo 18.91
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.91
16 South_Polish 19.51
17 South_Dutch 19.74
18 Portuguese 19.82
19 West_Sicilian 19.91
20 Central_Greek 19.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.84
2 50.2% West_Sicilian + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 2.87
3 60.1% West_Sicilian + 39.9% Estonian @ 3.04
4 70.1% Greek_Thessaly + 29.9% Finnish @ 3.2
5 61.9% Croatian + 38.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
6 51.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.22
7 70.5% Greek_Thessaly + 29.5% Estonian @ 3.24
8 52.4% Hungarian + 47.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.27
9 50.5% South_Polish + 49.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.27
10 56.4% West_Sicilian + 43.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.31
11 60.9% West_Sicilian + 39.1% Lithuanian @ 3.32
12 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% Estonian @ 3.34
13 53.8% West_Sicilian + 46.2% Polish @ 3.37
14 58.6% Tuscan + 41.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.41
15 70.4% Croatian + 29.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.43
16 63.4% Tuscan + 36.6% Erzya @ 3.44
17 54% West_Sicilian + 46% Southwest_Russian @ 3.45
18 56% West_Sicilian + 44% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.48
19 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% South_Polish @ 3.49
20 67.5% Moldavian + 32.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.5

[Aspirin]

Gura-Galbenei sits at the crossroads with Hincesti, Ialoveni and is only 30km from Chisinau. His results are in line with others from the central area.

Yes, but in that district exist minorities of Balkan origin.

For example this Moldo/Bulgarian mixed village is neighbouring with Gura-Galbenei. Look at the surnames.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=2942

[Ion Basescul]

I really do not know from where.


Her daughter results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.03
2 North_Atlantic 24.67
3 East_Med 17.48
4 West_Med 16.77
5 West_Asian 7.82
6 South_Asian 2.06
7 Oceanian 1.57
8 Amerindian 1.5
9 Siberian 1.16
10 Red_Sea 1.08
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 East_Asian 0.31
13 Northeast_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.09
2 Serbian 4.82
3 Bulgarian 5.77
4 Moldavian 10.06
5 Hungarian 11.71
6 Croatian 12.53
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.81
8 Austrian 14.56
9 North_Italian 15.9
10 East_German 16.21
11 Tuscan 16.64
12 West_German 18.12
13 French 18.56
14 Italian_Abruzzo 18.91
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.91
16 South_Polish 19.51
17 South_Dutch 19.74
18 Portuguese 19.82
19 West_Sicilian 19.91
20 Central_Greek 19.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.84
2 50.2% West_Sicilian + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 2.87
3 60.1% West_Sicilian + 39.9% Estonian @ 3.04
4 70.1% Greek_Thessaly + 29.9% Finnish @ 3.2
5 61.9% Croatian + 38.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
6 51.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.22
7 70.5% Greek_Thessaly + 29.5% Estonian @ 3.24
8 52.4% Hungarian + 47.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.27
9 50.5% South_Polish + 49.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.27
10 56.4% West_Sicilian + 43.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.31
11 60.9% West_Sicilian + 39.1% Lithuanian @ 3.32
12 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% Estonian @ 3.34
13 53.8% West_Sicilian + 46.2% Polish @ 3.37
14 58.6% Tuscan + 41.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.41
15 70.4% Croatian + 29.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.43
16 63.4% Tuscan + 36.6% Erzya @ 3.44
17 54% West_Sicilian + 46% Southwest_Russian @ 3.45
18 56% West_Sicilian + 44% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.48
19 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% South_Polish @ 3.49
20 67.5% Moldavian + 32.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.5

Yep, her daughter's South Asian is halved, so no surprises here.
Since full Romas score between 20-25% South Asian on K13, Moldovan is probably 1/4 Roma, without apparently knowing it.
I'm deleting her from the Moldavia and R. Moldova table then, since we are not sure if her Csango side is from there.

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, but in that district exist minorities of Balkan origin.

For example this Moldo/Bulgarian mixed village is neighbouring with Gura-Galbenei. Look at the surnames.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=2942

Yep, all of those ending in "-ev" and most of those ending in "-ov" are definitely of Bulgarian origin.
I don't know the background of that person's grandparents, but the person is a Romanian speaker, has a Romanian/Moldovan surname and forename.
I also personally think that their results are typical of the central area, judging by the samples that I found so far. I can't say if that individual is Northern shifted for Gura-Galbenei, because I haven't seen any other samples from there. As I already said, I don't trust that phenotypes are reliable predictors for one's autosomal DNA.

[Aspirin]

Yep, all of those ending in "-ev" and most of those ending in "-ov" are definitely of Bulgarian origin.
I don't know the background of that person's grandparents, but the person is a Romanian speaker, has a Romanian/Moldovan surname and forename.
I also personally think that their results are typical of the central area, judging by the samples that I found so far. I can't say if that individual is Northern shifted for Gura-Galbenei, because I haven't seen any other samples from there. As I already said, I don't trust that phenotypes are reliable predictors for one's autosomal DNA.

I don't say he is northern shifted, but he live in a district were exist minorities of Balkan origin, and he seems untouched by them geneticaly.

[Ion Basescul]

Update v8
Moldovan has been deleted and moved to the Wallachian table

https://i.imgur.com/L6fIOx3.png

[andre]

The csangos from Dobrogea are from my great-grandparent village in Moldova “Luizi-Calugara”. After the ww1 the romanian governament donate to that people some lands in Dobrogea and they founded “Oituz” in Constanta Country.

Ps. Some csangos are admixed with gypsys but there are a small minority, and a lot of that have Romanian-Gypsy surname: “Feraru” “Ferariu” “Linguraru” etc

[Ion Basescul]

I don't say he is northern shifted, but he live in a district were exist minorities of Balkan origin, and he seems untouched by them geneticaly.


That person with surname Vrabie from Gura-Galbenei is visible northern for that area. I checked local surnames from that village and majority of them are Moldavian.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?action=viewlocalitate&id=2919

Pictures with high-school graduates from that village:

https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/34505724_1551944108260790_2063187463047741440_o.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=XFWAC4GmG6oAX8AW4D0&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=4412747694ec1e62f1f249a7ffe2c608&oe=5EA9FD4B
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18835777_1884782135073471_1550428269734192343_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=KvoM6xiO4hQAX9MH9bk&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=c17e3034f38557e67f54227b3e0f6b56&oe=5EAD7E0D
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18767532_1884782131740138_8547447972147720390_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=DzdGTIdWaU8AX98EZqR&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=7ecb0eb4ac5bfa7f2e7a84af6474e205&oe=5EAA2A48
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18813545_1884782101740141_5223155696414576035_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=UKkJFrxB7QkAX9YzFah&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=6ccff15205f2d2576fd8308f9a545259&oe=5EAC0AD6
https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18893083_1884782098406808_257050109717237376_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=YKUvh4U_vQwAX-MdoI_&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=a8cedf0884b84ceedfb6806972b0651c&oe=5EAA0DBB
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https://scontent.fkiv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19510437_1894834290734922_424248196786956380_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=9mAnZUvST_AAX96Qdqv&_nc_ht=scontent.fkiv1-1.fna&oh=9961c37a6c79a10f07e1af5520c8c039&oe=5EAB4F2A
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He could be touched, but after great-grandparent level, most of the admixture gets reshuffled so much that it gets almost impossible to understand where it comes from, especially if we are talking about ethnicities that are relatively close genetically. At that stage, it's hard to prove with autosomal DNA and only a family tree will help.

[Ion Basescul]

The csangos from Dobrogea are from my great-grandparent village in Moldova “Luizi-Calugara”. After the ww1 the romanian governament donate to that people some lands in Dobrogea and they founded “Oituz” in Constanta Country.

Ps. Some csangos are admixed with gypsys but there are a small minority, and a lot of that have Romanian-Gypsy surname: “Feraru” “Ferariu” “Linguraru” etc

That reminds me, we don't have you in our list. You can post your results if you want to be added.

[andre]

23andme V3

Bacau Romanian, 1/4 Csango

North_Atlantic 23.04 Pct
Baltic 29.67 Pct
West_Med 14.32 Pct
West_Asian 8.00 Pct
East_Med 19.96 Pct
Red_Sea 3.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.19 Pct
Siberian 1.18 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.17 Pct

[Ion Basescul]

Update v9
+andre

https://i.imgur.com/sxRuIgC.png

[Leto]

Update v9
Did you decide not to add the self-described Russian from Bender, Transnistria?

From Pridnestrovie (Transnistria)

Eurogenes K13

Population
Baltic 39.49 Pct
North_Atlantic 19.49 Pct
West_Asian 12.18 Pct
West_Med 12.12 Pct
East_Med 8.25 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.27 Pct
Oceanian 1.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.89 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Northeast_African 0.51 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
He is obviously mixed with Vlachs and maybe something else. Both his Baltic and North Atlantic are too low for an unmixed Russian from Russia.