Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Jackson]

That Iberian sure is an intriguing component.

[drogin]

Do anyone have a working link to the K36 calculator?

[Graham]

Download this DIYDodecad (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7AJcY18g2GaZGU4OWQ5OWItMzY2NC00NzI1LWIzNWMtMzUxY WI4NjRmMTlk/edit?hl=en_US) & R (http://cran.uib.no/)
To get it working

& the file here with the latest Eurogenes K36 (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!141&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AmQBnUpI66ezgpc)

[drogin]

When I try to access the skydrive files it says "This item might not exist or is no longer available".
Anyone here who can find a working link, or upload the K36 themselves?

[Graham]

Ah fuck, don't know. Will try to look. Would do it, but have fucked a couple of files, so can't..

[drogin]

If you havent deleted your download-history, maybe you can find the fresh files there?
Especially if they came zipped.

[Mazik]

I uploaded it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?q4k6nloy6x0sobz

[Graham]

Uploaded again, so if anyone wants to find their results.. Ask for my email address & send me your raw data file.

It's a long wait to process, so don't expect it in a couple of minutes, more like a couple of hours.

[Otto Prohaska]

When I try to access the skydrive files it says "This item might not exist or is no longer available".
Anyone here who can find a working link, or upload the K36 themselves?

I get that when using Firefox, but when I use Chrome it works fine.

[drogin]

My K36:
22.0% Fennoscandian
18.86% North sea
15.02% North_Atlantic
8.34% French
7.94% East_Central_Euro
7.38% Iberian
7.20% Eastern Euro
6.38% North_Caucasian
5.19% Central_Euro
1.07% Basque
0.41% Amerindian
0.19% Italian
0.01% South_Central_Asian

I've turned up Caucasian, West-asian and such on other tests too, but I havent been able to find any link to that area,
and I have assumed that it's really just British/Orcadian ancestry, which also got elevated numbers.
However, it seems that is no longer the case for british/Orcadians in this test, and I continue to show up a significant ammount of north-caucasian...:confused:

Even more strange, it seems it comes from my mother, which 100% Norwegian as far as I know. My dads K36 is underway, but in earlier tests he didnt have any caucasus, so I bet it's from my mom.

My dads result(Finnish, Norwegian ancestry, with minor ashkenazi and italian admixture):

34.03% Fennoscandian
14.31% North_Atlantic
10.39% North_Sea
6.83% East_Central_Euro
6.73% French
6.71% Eastern_Euro
5.19% Central_Euro
4.45% Italian
4.14% Iberian
3.02% North_Caucasian
1.54% Basque
0.71% Amerindian
0.48% South_Central_Asian
0.41% West_Med
0.25% Siberian
0.22% East_Med
0.21% East_Balkan
0.18% Near_Eastern
0.09% Northeast_African
0.05% Oceanian
0.02% South_Asian
0.02% Armenian

[evon]

What does your Ancestry composition look like?

[drogin]

Sadly my ancestry composition is somewhat useless.

35% Scandinavian
6.4% Finnish
0.4% British/Irish
0.3% French
50% Non-specific northern european
7.4% Non-specific european

[Mazik]

Sadly my ancestry composition is somewhat useless.

35% Scandinavian
6.4% Finnish
0.4% British/Irish
0.3% French
50% Non-specific northern european
7.4% Non-specific european

What happens to the non-specific at speculative mode?

[drogin]

What happens to the non-specific at speculative mode?
It spreads out equally, but some quite a deal of non-specific still remain.

Speculative mode:
50.7% Scandinavian
7.7% British/Irish
7.3% French&German
6.8% Finnish
26.4% Non-specific northern european
1.1% Non-specific european

[Graham]

Your results are more accurate than others. We were used as clusters and score 100% or close to it.

'Non-specific' means that they can't match, to any one cluster.

[Mazik]

It spreads out equally, but some quite a deal of non-specific still remain.

Speculative mode:
50.7% Scandinavian
7.7% British/Irish
7.3% French&German
6.8% Finnish
26.4% Non-specific northern european
1.1% Non-specific european

The 23andme AC doesn't consist of the populations you seem to match. In the Eurogenes_k36_refs.txt file you can find what populations Polako have included in the north_caucasian component.



North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01381 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01382 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01383 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01384 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01385 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01386 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01387 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01397 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01398 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01399 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01400 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01402 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01403 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Adygei_HGDP01404 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar102Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar108Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar115Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar124Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar136Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar14Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar22Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar26Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar32Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar42Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar45Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar50Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar64Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar7Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar80Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar88Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Balkar_Balkar97Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen109Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen113Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen11Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen126Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen131Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen150Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen16Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen170Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen174Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen179Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen193Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen21Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen31Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen34Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen3Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen55Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen60Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen76Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Chechen_Chechen86Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk108Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk10Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk110Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk111Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk11Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk13Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk15Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk1Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk22Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk4Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk5Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk6Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Kumyk_Kumyk7Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536836 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536837 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536838 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536840 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536841 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536842 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536843 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536844 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536845 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536846 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536848 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536849 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536850 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536851 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536852 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian Lezgin_GSM536853 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia11Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia13Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia14Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia16Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia19Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia1Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia20Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia2Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia3Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia4Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia5Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia8Y 0 0 0 -9
North_Caucasian North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia9Y 0 0 0 -9


While the MENA component at 23andme is a mix of 123 Iran samples, 96 Turkey, 51 Palestinian, 48 Bedouin, 47 Druze and 30 Mozabite.

[Loki]

I've turned up Caucasian, West-asian and such on other tests too, but I havent been able to find any link to that area,


Maybe you've got just more blood of Odin's band from the Caucasus :thumb001: Say hello to your "Azerbaijani" brothers :D

[drogin]

Maybe you've got just more blood of Odin's band from the Caucasus :thumb001: Say hello to your "Azerbaijani" brothers :D
Maybe :p
Oracles, only counting those who identify me as scandinavian
MDLP World-22 oracle:
88.6% Swedish_V (derived) + 11.4% Georgian (derived)
87.9% Swedish_V (derived) + 12.1% Adygei (derived)

Jtest oracle:
95.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 4.7% Lezgin
96.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 3.7% GE(orgian)

Dodecad k12b oracle:
89.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 10.3% North_Ossetians
89.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 10.4% Balkars (Yunusbayev)

Dodecad world9:
91.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 8.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar)
92% Swedish (Dodecad) + 8% Azerbaijan_Jews

Dodecad v3:
77.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 22.5% Romanians_14 (Behar)

[Loki]

Very interesting! :)

[Sicilianu101]

K36

19.24% East_Med
16.96% Near_Eastern
15.32% Italian
13.21% Iberian
5.49% West_Med
5.15% West_Caucasian
4.83% North_African
4.34% Armenian
3.04% Basque
2.93% North_Atlantic
2.85% North_Sea
2.51% North_Caucasian
2.33% Arabian
1.60% East_Balkan
0.15% French
0.04% East_Central_Euro
0.00% West_African
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% Central_Euro
0.00% Central_African
0.00% Amerindian

[Atlantic Islander]

I was gone for a while and didn't get to download the new files mentioned in this post (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?19121-Eurogenes-Biogeographic-Ancestry-Project&p=1443492&viewfull=1#post1443492), can someone re-upload them please? Thanks.

Edit: Nevermind.

[Atlantic Islander]

New K36:

26.42% Iberian
12.58% Italian
11.21% North_Sea
8.54% North_Atlantic
7.76% West_Med
6.55% French
5.14% Central_Euro
4.60% North_African
3.07% Arabian
2.71% East_Med
2.45% Fennoscandian
2.09% East_Balkan
1.97% Near_Eastern
1.76% Basque
1.55% Volga-Ural
1.28% Northeast_African
0.17% Omotic
0.11% East_Central_Euro
0.03% Oceanian
----------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

[Xyresic]

Old K36:

22.88% East_Mediterranean
13.55% Near_Eastern
12.33% Italian
10.21% North_Caucasian
9.51% West_Caucasian
8.94% Armenian
7.05% Arabian
3.62% East_Central_Europea
3.43% South_Central_Asian
3.05% West_Mediterranean
2.19% Basque
1.13% Mediterranean
1.01% Iberian
0.54% East_Asian
0.24% North_Sea
0.15% French
0.11% East_African
0.03% North_African
0.02% East_Balkan
0.01% East_Central_Asian
0.01% North_Atlantic

New K36:

18.10% East_Med
14.69% Italian
12.83% Near_Eastern
11.26% North_Caucasian
10.07% West_Caucasian
8.72% Armenian
7.62% Arabian
5.01% South_Central_Asian
2.57% West_Med
2.17% East_Central_Euro
1.89% French
1.18% North_Sea
1.10% Iberian
0.87% North_African
0.85% Basque
0.58% East_Asian
0.23% East_Balkan
0.13% Northeast_African
0.05% North_Atlantic
0.04% East_African
0.03% Central_Euro
0.02% East_Central_Asian
0.01% Omotic

The changes seem to have significance. Is Davidski going to alter the calculator further?

[Equilibrium]

@Xyresic:

Interesting results, you have rather low Caucasus and very high Arabian. Also almost no Turkic input.
From where in Turkey do your ancestors come from? Southern Turkey?

[Xyresic]

@Xyresic:

Interesting results, you have rather low Caucasus and very high Arabian. Also almost no Turkic input.
From where in Turkey do your ancestors come from? Southern Turkey?My ancestors quite surprisingly are from Sivas province, but I also have ancestors from Cyprus.

Quite remarkably both my Turkish Cypriot grandparents get lower "Arabian" percentages than I do and my grandmother from Cyprus actually gets a slightly higher "Armenian" percentage than I do, they actually have higher east Eurasian ancestry than me. I get higher European scores than my grandparents.

I highly suspect that me being on the old 23andme platform must significantly affect my results, but I heard upgrades shouldn't affect results by much - maybe I have some interesting Arab and European ancestry from my Sivas side.

[Kazimiera]

NEW K36

16.76% East_Central_Euro
16.41% North_Sea
13.83% North_Atlantic

8.87% Fennoscandian
8.31% Central_Euro
7.87% Eastern_Euro
7.05% Italian
5.23% French
3.45% Iberian
2.07% East_Balkan
2.05% West_African

1.68% South_Central_Asian
1.46% Basque
1.37% Volga-Ural
1.09% West_Caucasian
1.05% Oceanian

0.84% North_Caucasian
0.21% Central_African
0.15% Amerindian
0.12% East_Med
0.12% Omotic
0.01% East_African
0.01% Near_Eastern



0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% North_African
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_Med

[orangepulp]

My K36 from highest to low:

22.74% North_Caucasian
19.20% East_Mediterranean
13.01% Near_Eastern
12.17% Armenian
10.08% West_Caucasian
4.01% Italian
3.67% South_Central_Asian
2.73% Mediterranean
2.64% Central_European
2.03% East_Central_Asian
1.84% Arabian
1.33% Basque
1.23% East_Balkan
1.15% West_Mediterranean
1.06% Siberian
0.79% French
0.24% North_Atlantic
0.05% Volga-Ural
0.02% East_Asian

The rest 0% admıxture.



My new results from k36:

23,80% North_Caucasian
18,32% East_Med
12,46% Armenian
11,39% Near_Eastern
9,58% West_Caucasian
5,52% South_Central_Asian
5,07% Italian
3,28% Central_Euro
2,62% East_Central_Asian
2,44% Arabian
2,08% East_Balkan
1,71% West_Med
0,90% Basque
0,47% French
0,31% Siberian
0,03% North_Atlantic
0,01% Iberian
-------------------------------------------
0,00% Amerindian
0,00% Central_African
0,00% East_African
0,00% East_Asian
0,00% East_Central_Euro
0,00% Eastern_Euro
0,00% Fennoscandian
0,00% Indo-Chinese
0,00% Malayan
0,00% North_African
0,00% North_Sea
0,00% Northeast_African
0,00% Oceanian
0,00% Omotic
0,00% Pygmy
0,00% South_Asian
0,00% South_Chinese
0,00% Volga-Ural
0,00% West_African

[Atlantic Islander]

New K36 - Kadu/Alexdelarge/Me

Amerindian - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
Arabian - 1.21%/0.46%/3.07%
Armenian - 0.66%/2.05%/0.00%
Basque - 5.65%/4.56%/1.76%
Central_African - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
Central_Euro - 2.88%/4.59%/5.14%
East_African - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
East_Asian - 0.20%/0.00%/0.00%
East_Balkan - 2.84%/0.01%/2.09%
East_Central_Asian - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
East_Central_Euro - 1.10%/6.09%/0.11%
East_Med - 1.30%/0.17%/2.71%
Eastern_Euro - 0.03%/0.00%/0.00%
Fennoscandian - 4.10%/1.51%/2.45%
French - 3.74%/6.64%/6.55%
Iberian - 24.95%/23.53%/26.42%
Indo-Chinese - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
Italian - 15.67%/19.07%/12.58%
Malayan - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
Near_Eastern - 3.02%/2.63%/1.97%
North_African - 3.95%/5.31%/4.60%
North_Atlantic - 9.06%/7.97%/8.54%
North_Caucasian - 0.00%/1.92%/0.00%
North_Sea - 9.14%/5.74%/11.21%
Northeast_African - 2.23%/0.00%/1.28%
Oceanian - 0.07%/0.02%/0.03%
Omotic - 0.01%/0.93%/0.17%
Pygmy - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
Siberian - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
South_Asian - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
South_Central_Asian - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
South_Chinese - 0.00%/0.00%/0.00%
Volga-Ural - 0.04%/0.00%/1.55%
West_African - 0.00%/0.58%/0.00%
West_Caucasian - 0.02%/0.02%/0.00%
West_Med -8.10%/6.19%/7.76%

[Atlantic Islander]

Bumping it. :P

Western Europe -- North Atlantic, North Sea, French, Basque, Iberian & Italian.
70.26% -- Graham
------------------------------------
68.21% -- Kadu
67.79% -- Jackson Dad
67.51% -- Alex Delarge
67.06% -- Atlantic Islander
66.99% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
65.98% -- Loki
65.26% -- Jackson Grandad
62.90% -- Jackson
62.38% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
60.25% -- Evon
60.03% -- Evon Aunt
------------------------------------
57.73% -- Evon Uncle
57.70% -- Evon Gran
56.46% -- Sgc2009 Gran
55.09% -- Pallantides
52.80% -- Otto Prohaska
50.86% -- Drogin
------------------------------------
46.65% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
43.98% -- Kazimiera
41.62% -- Alpine Celt
41.56% -- Drogin Dad
------------------------------------
39.53% -- Jockman
37.50% -- Sicilianu101
33.80% -- Jockman Grandad
32.39% -- Mark
------------------------------------
24.73% -- Polako
19.71% -- Xyresic
15.89% -- Annihilus
12.94% -- Equilibrium
12.62% -- Partizan
06.45% -- Orangepulp

East Central Europe -- East Europe, East Central Europe & Central Europe
51.11% -- Polako
------------------------------------
32.94% -- Kazimiera
------------------------------------
28.09% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
26.17% -- Evon Gran
24.87% -- Otto Prohaska
23.39% -- Jackson Grandad
22.79% -- Pallantides
22.53% -- Jackson Dad
22.45% -- Jackson
21.40% -- Evon
20.91% -- Jockman
20.79% -- Sgc2009 Gran
20.76% -- Evon Aunt
20.33% -- Drogin
------------------------------------
18.73% -- Drogin Dad
18.50% -- Graham
18.45% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
16.88% -- Evon Uncle
16.59% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
16.49% -- Loki
15.04% -- Jockman Grandad
10.68% -- Alex DeLarge
------------------------------------
09.06% -- Mark
08.32% -- Alpine Celt
07.41% -- Partizan
05.25% -- Atlantic Islander
04.01% -- Kadu
03.28% -- Orangepulp
02.20% -- Xyresic

North Eurasia -- Volga Ural, Siberia & Fennoscandian
44.12% -- Jockman Grandad
------------------------------------
34.28% -- Drogin Dad
------------------------------------
29.95% -- Jockman
22.00% -- Drogin
20.94% -- Pallantides
20.31% -- Evon Uncle
------------------------------------
18.01% -- Evon Aunt
16.17% -- Evon
15.58% -- Sgc2009 Gran
14.61% -- Polako
13.95% -- Evon Gran
12.04% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
11.15% -- Otto Prohaska
10.94% -- Graham
10.24% -- Kazimiera
------------------------------------
09.52% -- Jackson Grandad
09.26% -- Loki
08.05% -- Jackson Dad
06.31% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
06.05% -- Jackson
05.27% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
04.14% -- kadu
04.00% -- Atlantic Islander
03.46% -- Alpine Celt
01.51% -- Alex DeLarge
01.12% -- Annihilus

South-East Europe -- East Balkan
06.26% -- Jockman
05.77% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
05.48% -- Polako
05.26% -- Partizan
05.15% -- Sgc2009 Gran
05.00% -- Jockman Grandad
04.89% -- Otto Prohaska
03.59% -- Mark
04.77% -- Alpine Celt
02.84% -- Kadu
02.54% -- Jackson
02.50% -- Evon Uncle
02.18% -- Evon
02.09% -- Atlantic Islander
02.08% -- Orangepulp
02.07% -- Kazimiera
02.01% -- Evon Gran
01.99% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
01.60% -- Sicilianu101
01.36% -- Equilibrium
01.31% -- Loki
01.16% -- Pallantides
01.08% -- Jackson Grandad

Caucasus -- Armenian, West Caucasian & North Caucasian
47.03% -- Equilibrium
45.84% -- Orangepulp
42.41% -- Partizan
------------------------------------
30.05% -- Xyresic
------------------------------------
24.06% -- Annihilus
------------------------------------
12.00% -- Sicilianu101
------------------------------------
08.17% -- Alpine Celt
08.06% -- Mark
06.38% -- Drogin
05.87% -- Otto Prohaska
05.66% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
03.99% -- Alex DeLarge
03.04% -- Drogin Dad
03.27% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
03.10% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
02.80% -- Loki
02.30% -- Polako
02.11% -- Jackson
02.08% -- Kazimiera
01.84% -- Jockman

Middle East -- Arabian, East Med, Near Eastern
38.55% -- Xyresic
38.53% -- Sicilianu101
35.50% -- Mark
32.15% -- Orangepulp
------------------------------------
26.31% -- Equilibrium
25.54% -- Partizan
------------------------------------
16.37% -- Alpine Celt
10.99% -- Annihilus
------------------------------------
07.75% -- Atlantic Islander
05.53% -- Kadu
03.31% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
03.26% -- Alex DeLarge
02.97% -- Otto Prohaska Dad

Berber -- North African
05.31% -- Alex DeLarge
04.83% -- Sicilianu101
04.60% -- Atlantic Islander
03.95% -- Kadu
02.64% -- Mark
01.81% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
01.26% -- Alpine Celt

African -- Central African, East African, North-East African, Omitic, Pygmy, West African
02.39% -- Kazimiera
02.24% -- Kadu
02.14% -- Loki
01.51% -- Alex DeLarge
01.45% -- Atlantic Islander

I like this, but Sardinians were used for the West_Med component. Since you have a South-East Europe category, I think there should be a South-West Europe category as well. Just a suggestion. :)

[orangepulp]

My aunts new K36:

23,37% East_Med
19,97% North_Caucasian
15,38% West_Caucasian
14,34% Armenian
8,81% Italian
6,75% Near_Eastern
5,87% South_Central_Asian
3,86% Arabian
0,83% East_Balkan
0,66% Basque
0,08% Iberian
0,05% West_Med
0,01% Central_Euro
0,01% North_African

The rest 0%

My north Caucasian is more than my aunt, I am 23.80%, she is 19.97%. I would expect her to be more north Caucasian than me.

Graham, Can she also be added to the list?

Thanks a lot.

[Oneeye]

From the readme:



Then the command to start the actual analysis is:



system('DIYDodecadWin admix.par')



When I try to standardize my genome file, I get:

"Error in is.data.frame(x) : object 'X' not found"

.....?

[Mark]

Make sure you have 'admix.par' in the working directory.
Or, have you alternately used a DOS prompt with the 'DIYDodecadWin dv3.par' command?

[Oneeye]

Make sure you have 'admix.par' in the working directory.
Or, have you alternately used a DOS prompt with the 'DIYDodecadWin dv3.par' command?

I do have admix.par in the working directory.

I'm trying to "standardize" my genome in R before starting up DIYDodeocad, sorry about how the quote turned out. I'm right here at the bolded part:


Once R is running, it will give you a command prompt where you can enter
commands. First, you must change the directory to your working directory.

You can do this from the File -> Change dir menu in Windows, or by using the
setwd command in either Windows or Linux, e.g.:

Then, enter:

source('standardize.r')

This loads a small program that will convert your data from the
company-specific format to a common format in the next step.

5. At the R prompt, enter:

a. If you have 23andMe data (either v2 or v3 chip):

standardize('johndoe.txt', company='23andMe')

[Mark]

Okay, did you change/rename the 23andme .txt file. If so, that may be the issue.
Edit: Or rather, change the command to reflect YOURNAME.txt if you haven't already.

[Atlantic Islander]

When I try to standardize my genome file, I get:

"Error in is.data.frame(x) : object 'X' not found"

.....?

I have the commands saved in notepad, I just copy paste the whole thing into R:

source('standardize.r')
standardize('yourfilenamehere.txt', company='23andMe')
system('DIYDodecadWin admix.par')

You have to make sure you do this first: open R and go to file > change dir... > C: > Program files > DIYdodecad 2.1 and click ok.

[Maleficent]

Eurogenes K36(old)
19.10% East_Mediterranean
10.27% French
9.74% Italian
9.67% Near_Eastern
8.37% North_Atlantic
7.41% Iberian
6.77% North_Sea
5.79% Arabian
5.47% Armenian
3.77% Central_European
3.39% Mediterranean
2.23% East_Balkan
1.63% North_Caucasian
1.50% North_African
1.43% West_Mediterranean
0.97% South_Central_Asian
0.67% Eastern_European
0.57% Northeast_African
0.54% Basque
0.52% West_Caucasian
0.12% Finnish
0.06% East_African
0.01% East_Central_European
Eurogenes K36(new)
16.23% East_Med
13.20% Near_Eastern
11.64% Italian
10.04% French
9.28% Iberian
7.34% North_Sea
6.49% North_Atlantic
6.47% Arabian
4.55% Armenian
4.32% North_Caucasian
2.56% East_Balkan
2.40% Central_Euro
1.66% West_Med
1.24% South_Central_Asian
0.95% North_African
0.35% Fennoscandian
0.35% East_African
0.33% Eastern_Euro
0.30% West_African
0.15% Basque
0.10% Northeast African
0.07% West_Caucasian

[Oneeye]

FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.19% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
1.24% Armenian
1.01% Basque
0.00% Central_African
6.90% Central_European
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
3.92% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
3.20% East_Central_Europea
0.00% East_Mediterranean
5.02% Eastern_European
13.33% Finnish
8.76% French
16.78% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
4.14% Italian
0.00% Malayan
2.53% Mediterranean
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
12.51% North_Atlantic
2.74% North_Caucasian
17.45% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.03% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.04% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
0.21% West_Mediterranean

CPU time = 2109.00 sec

[Oneeye]

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

20.60% North_Sea
17.07% Iberian
12.30% Fennoscandian
11.91% North_Atlantic
7.76% French
7.40% Italian
5.87% Central_Euro
3.84% East_Balkan
3.51% Eastern_Euro
3.27% East_Central_Euro
3.17% North_Caucasian
1.28% Basque
1.21% Armenian
0.34% South_Central_Asian
0.26% Amerindian
0.12% West_Med

CPU time = 1634.91 sec
>

[Graham]

I like this, but Sardinians were used for the West_Med component. Since you have a South-East Europe category, I think there should be a South-West Europe category as well. Just a suggestion. :)
Added West Med & made a South West Table here.
South West Europe --Basque, Iberian, Italian & West Med
54.37% -- Kadu
53.35% -- Alex Delarge
------------------------------------
48.52% -- Atlantic Islander
41.80% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
37.06% -- Sicilianu101
36.69% -- Loki
33.29% -- Alpine Celt
31.47% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
31.04% -- Mark
------------------------------------
25.87% -- Oneeye
25.57% -- Otto Prohaska
25.50% -- Jackson Dad
23.49% -- Jackson Grandad
22.73% -- FairyPrincess
21.23% -- Graham
20.96% -- Sgc2009 Gran
20.58% -- Jackson
------------------------------------
19.21% -- Xyresic
18.76% -- Equilibrium
17.92% -- Evon Gran
17.73% -- Evon
17.01% -- Evon Uncle
16.93% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
16.02% -- Evon Aunt
13.17% -- Partizan
11.96% -- Kazimiera
10.64% -- Jockman
10.54% -- Drogin Dad
------------------------------------
09.60% -- Orangepulp Aunt
08.64% -- Drogin
07.69% -- Orangepulp
06.39% -- Jockman Grandad
06.14% -- Pallantides
02.70% -- Polako

[Graham]

North West Europe -- North Atlantic & North Sea
39.55% -- Graham
39.34% -- Pallantides
36.88% -- Evon
36.58% -- Evon Uncle
35.70% -- Evon Aunt
35.62% -- Jackson Grandad
35.45% -- Jackson
35.08% -- Jackson Dad
33.88% -- Drogin
33.40% -- Sgc2009 Gran
32.51% -- Oneeye
31.75% -- Evon Gran
30.24% -- Kazimiera
------------------------------------
29.25% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
26.71% -- Jockman
25.01% -- Loki
24.70% -- Drogin Dad
22.99% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
21.82% -- Jockman Grandad
21.11% -- Otto Prohaska
20.25% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
19.75% -- Atlantic Islander
19.21% -- Polako
18.02% -- Kadu
17.37% -- Alpine Celt
13.83% -- FairyPrincess
13.71% -- Alex Delarge
------------------------------------
05.78% -- Sicilianu101
04.98% -- Mark
01.23% -- Xyresic

[Atlantic Islander]

Added West Med & made a South West Table here.
South West Europe --Basque, Iberian, Italian & West Med
54.37% -- Kadu
53.35% -- Alex Delarge
------------------------------------
48.52% -- Atlantic Islander
41.80% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
37.06% -- Sicilianu101
36.69% -- Loki
33.29% -- Alpine Celt
31.47% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
31.04% -- Mark
------------------------------------
25.87% -- Oneeye
25.57% -- Otto Prohaska
25.50% -- Jackson Dad
23.49% -- Jackson Grandad
22.73% -- FairyPrincess
21.23% -- Graham
20.96% -- Sgc2009 Gran
20.58% -- Jackson
------------------------------------
19.21% -- Xyresic
18.76% -- Equilibrium
17.92% -- Evon Gran
17.73% -- Evon
17.01% -- Evon Uncle
16.93% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
16.02% -- Evon Aunt
13.17% -- Partizan
11.96% -- Kazimiera
10.64% -- Jockman
10.54% -- Drogin Dad
------------------------------------
09.60% -- Orangepulp Aunt
08.64% -- Drogin
07.69% -- Orangepulp
06.39% -- Jockman Grandad
06.14% -- Pallantides
02.70% -- Polako


North West Europe -- North Atlantic & North Sea
39.55% -- Graham
39.34% -- Pallantides
36.88% -- Evon
36.58% -- Evon Uncle
35.70% -- Evon Aunt
35.62% -- Jackson Grandad
35.45% -- Jackson
35.08% -- Jackson Dad
33.88% -- Drogin
33.40% -- Sgc2009 Gran
31.75% -- Evon Gran
30.24% -- Kazimiera
------------------------------------
29.25% -- Otto Prohaska Mum
29.16% -- Oneeye
26.71% -- Jockman
25.01% -- Loki
24.70% -- Drogin Dad
22.99% -- Otto Prohaska Dad
21.82% -- Jockman Grandad
21.11% -- Otto Prohaska
20.25% -- Pappa Diddy Pop
19.75% -- Atlantic Islander
19.21% -- Polako
18.02% -- Kadu
17.37% -- Alpine Celt
13.83% -- FairyPrincess
13.71% -- Alex Delarge
------------------------------------
05.78% -- Sicilianu101
04.98% -- Mark
01.23% -- Xyresic

Fantastic, thanks. :)

[Oneeye]

Ha, sorry, I forgot that it is possible to edit posts a long time after they are made.

[Graham]

Sorry, if you see any errors Rep me. Do it all manually & my brain becomes lazy, tired & bored. :P

[Mark]

----------------------------
K35 - FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
16.27% East_Med
15.30% Near_Eastern
15.05% Italian

9.04% Iberian
6.46% Arabian
4.83% East_Central_Euro
4.82% West_Med
3.98% Central_Euro
3.96% Armenian
3.75% West_Caucasian
3.54% East_Balkan
2.91% North_Atlantic
2.65% North_African
2.29% North_Sea
2.14% Basque
1.55% French

0.62% Volga-Ural
0.26% North_Caucasian
0.40% Northeast_African
0.17% Eastern_Euro

0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_African

> Link to K35 Files (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!142&authkey=!AGdp86eDH-MZZ6M)

[Atlantic Islander]

K35 -
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
26.42% Iberian
12.58% Italian
11.21% North_Sea
----------------------------
8.54% North_Atlantic
7.76% West_Med
6.55% French
5.14% Central_Euro
4.60% North_African
3.07% Arabian
2.71% East_Med
2.45% Fennoscandian
2.09% East_Balkan
1.97% Near_Eastern
1.76% Basque
1.55% Volga-Ural
1.28% Northeast_African
----------------------------
0.17% Omotic
0.11% East_Central_Euro
0.03% Oceanian
----------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

The same as before of course.

[Damião de Góis]

Seems the same as the last one. Probably a population where i scored 0% was dropped.

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.00% Amerindian
0.46% Arabian
2.05% Armenian
4.56% Basque
0.00% Central_African
4.59% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.01% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
6.09% East_Central_Euro
0.17% East_Med
0.00% Eastern_Euro
1.51% Fennoscandian
6.64% French
23.53% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
19.07% Italian
0.00% Malayan
2.63% Near_Eastern
5.31% North_African
7.97% North_Atlantic
1.92% North_Caucasian
5.74% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.02% Oceanian
0.93% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.58% West_African
0.02% West_Caucasian
6.19% West_Med

[Mazik]

This is K35 (K36 without the Fennoscandian component).


(+- %) = comparison with K36.

Me

17.93% Eastern_European (+8,5%)
15.92% North_Atlantic (+5,36%)
---------------------------
14.48% North_Sea (+1,67%)
11.34% Central_European (+5,66%)
11.33% East_Central_European (+5,43%)
---------------------------
6.92% East_Balkan (+0,66%)
5.92% Iberian (+1,89%)
---------------------------
3.98% French (+2,03%)
3.44% Italian (-0,68%)
2.95% Volga-Ural (+1,6%)
2.21% Basque (-0,16%)
1.55% Siberian (+1,53%)
1.06% Malayan (+0,48%)
---------------------------
0.27% East_Central_Asian (-0,28%)
0.26% South_Central_Asian (+0,2%)
0.19% Oceanian (-0,18%)
0.18% North_Caucasian (-1,66%)
0.03% South_Asian (+0,03%)
0.02% Indo-Chinese (-0,2%)


My grandpa


14.29% East_Central_European (+7,59%)
13.94% North_Sea (-0,66%)
13.40% Eastern_European (+8,95%)
13.12% North_Atlantic (+5,87%)
---------------------------
9.41% French (+3,27%)
9.06% Central_European (+5,17%)
7.62% Volga-Ural (+1,89%)
5.75% East_Balkan (+0,75%)
---------------------------
4.82% Siberian (+1,89%)
3.51% Iberian (+1,46%)
2.32% Basque (+0,72%)
1.40% Italian (-0,79%)
---------------------------
0.89% Amerindian (+0,29%)
0.27% Oceanian (+0,25%)
0.10% Pygmy (-0,21%)
0.08% Malayan (-0,38%)
0.01% North_Caucasian (0,03%)
0.01% Indo-Chinese (-0,01%)
0.01% East_Central_Asian (-0,02%)

[Graham]

It has giving you some Siberian like your Grandad.

[Mazik]

It has giving you some Siberian like your Grandad.

Yea it was hidden there deep in the Fennoscandian component.

me and my grandfather for comparison, with the components you have used earlier :)

http://s11.postimg.org/dtaasrneb/k35c.jpg

[Graham]

^^^
Like I said before, your Western European scores would be lower with a Swedish/Norwegian/Danish cluster.. It Would lower the North Sea & North Atlantic scores, for people like yourself. :) Can't happen though, until we have samples that aren't members.

Runs like Eurogenes, are only at baby steps, with far greater potential to build on.

[Atlantic Islander]

Kadu edited the original k36 files to make a K28, so here are my results with his edited files:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
35.92% Iberian
11.41% North_Sea
10.80% North_Atlantic
----------------------------
9.37% West_Mediterranean
7.93% Central_European
5.73% East_Mediterranean
5.00% East_Balkan
4.57% North_African
2.96% Near_Eastern
2.64% Arabian
2.20% Volga-Ural
----------------------------
0.50% Northeast_African
0.43% Eastern_European
0.37% Central_African
0.16% Oceanian
----------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

[Kazimiera]

K35 FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:


16.76% East_Central_Euro
16.41% North_Sea
13.83% North_Atlantic

====================

8.87% Fennoscandian
8.31% Central_Euro
7.87% Eastern_Euro
7.05% Italian
5.23% French
3.45% Iberian
2.07% East_Balkan
2.05% West_African
1.68% South_Central_Asian
1.46% Basque
1.37% Volga-Ural
1.09% West_Caucasian
1.05% Oceanian

0.84% North_Caucasian
0.21% Central_African
0.15% Amerindian
0.12% East_Med
0.12% Omotic
0.01% Near_Eastern
0.01% East_African


0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% North_African
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% West_Med

[drogin]

Chromosome 11, which contains quite a lot of SNPs.... Funny results, considering my norwegian/finnish heritage.
I guess this result is partly the reason why my north-caucasian component is so high genome-wide too

28.13% East_Central_Euro
21.84% Fennoscandian
13.93% North_Caucasian
13.59% North_Atlantic
10.15% French
5.08% West_Caucasian
3.72% North_Sea
3.51% Amerindian
0.03% Central_Euro
0.02% Eastern_Euro
------------------
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% Basque
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Med
0.00% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Med

[Kazimiera]

I'm still trying to figure out where the locations for East-Central Euro, North Sea and North Atlantic is. Which countries??

[drogin]

I'm still trying to figure out where the locations for East-Central Euro, North Sea and North Atlantic is. Which countries??
East-central-euro is basicly ukrainians and south-west russians

[Mark]

I'm still trying to figure out where the locations for East-Central Euro, North Sea and North Atlantic is. Which countries??

>> link to K36 - Reference Populations (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUlVTRmxQdGpZdW8/edit)

[Loki]

I'm still trying to figure out where the locations for East-Central Euro, North Sea and North Atlantic is. Which countries??

I think Graham should know.

E-C-E should be mostly Polish I think, and North Sea would be parts of Scandinavia, Netherlands, north Germany ... essentially a Germanic thing. North Atlantic also overlaps of course with North Sea, NA being more to the west (Britain, Ireland).

[Mazik]

Edit: someone was faster

[Graham]

North Sea is Kent, & North Atlantic is mainly Cornwall.

Kent -- North Sea
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Kent_UK_locator_map_2010.svg/200px-Kent_UK_locator_map_2010.svg.png

Cornwall -- North Atlantic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Cornwall_UK_locator_map_2010.svg/200px-Cornwall_UK_locator_map_2010.svg.png

[Loki]

North Sea is Kent, & North Atlantic is mainly Cornwall.



Yep, Germanic south-east and pre-Germanic Cornwall.

[Jackson]

I think Graham should know.

E-C-E should be mostly Polish I think, and North Sea would be parts of Scandinavia, Netherlands, north Germany ... essentially a Germanic thing. North Atlantic also overlaps of course with North Sea, NA being more to the west (Britain, Ireland).

I think he used Kent as the North Sea group and Argyll, CEU, Cornwall as North Atlantic, can't remember exactly.

[Jackson]

Yep, Germanic south-east and pre-Germanic Cornwall.

I don't think Kent is as Germanic as people think, at least not as much as East Anglia and parts of the East Midlands - They would have made a better reference group if there were available samples from there.

[Loki]

I don't think Kent is as Germanic as people think, at least not as much as East Anglia and parts of the East Midlands - They would have made a better reference group if there were available samples from there.

I'm not sure, I think Kent is quite Germanic. We know that the Jutes settled there. Rural East Anglia doesn't tell much, influence should more show in the larger towns ... like for example Lincoln to the north.

[Graham]

How does the Y-DNA & mtDNA of Kent compare to others in England? If that information is available.

[Loki]

How does the Y-DNA & mtDNA of Kent compare to others in England? If that information is available.

There should be maps somewhere with haplogroup distributions.

[Jackson]

I'm not sure, I think Kent is quite Germanic. We know that the Jutes settled there. Rural East Anglia doesn't tell much, influence should more show in the larger towns ... like for example Lincoln to the north.

True, although in England south of the Thames (and i guess basically in the home counties) R1b-P312 L21- U152- and R1b U152 are more common than in Anglia and East Midlands, and R1b is higher overall as well, than in East Anglia and the East Midlands. It's not a massive difference i agree with you there, it's still predominately Germanic but there seems to be a bit more of a Celtic remnant there than in a couple of other places. That could partly be due to it being outside the Danelaw, while East Anglia and the East Midlands was in the heart of the Danelaw.

I disagree, in the bigger towns and in cities there tends to be more non-local ancestry, which in the case of the last few hundred years has been mainly from Ireland and western Britain. In fact POBI have shown that on average people from urban areas in a certain region (of England) tended to be more Celtic influenced than the people in the countryside around them. I don't know if the same is true in the Celtic fringe (that people from towns are less Celtic than in the surrounding countryside) but it could be, although to a much lesser degree in most areas.
Thats not saying that none moved to the country, but most went to cities and towns first it seems, a bit like our current wave of immigrants that start in the towns and then filter out a bit from there i suppose.

The most Germanic areas seem to be the Anglian peninsula and Lindsey (much of what is now Lincolnshire) then followed by the rest of the East Midlands and the South-East (including Kent).

[Jackson]

How does the Y-DNA & mtDNA of Kent compare to others in England? If that information is available.

Kent should be quite similar to the one in south/south-east England on this map. Edit: This is just R1b, but it does demonstrate it to some degree.

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/EuropeBusby.jpg

[Loki]

True, although in England south of the Thames (and i guess basically in the home counties) R1b-P312 L21- U152- and R1b U152 are more common than in Anglia and East Midlands, and R1b is higher overall as well, than in East Anglia and the East Midlands. It's not a massive difference i agree with you there, it's still predominately Germanic but there seems to be a bit more of a Celtic remnant there than in a couple of other places. That could partly be due to it being outside the Danelaw, while East Anglia and the East Midlands was in the heart of the Danelaw.

I disagree, in the bigger towns and in cities there tends to be more non-local ancestry, which in the case of the last few hundred years has been mainly from Ireland and western Britain. In fact POBI have shown that on average people from urban areas in a certain region (of England) tended to be more Celtic influenced than the people in the countryside around them. I don't know if the same is true in the Celtic fringe (that people from towns are less Celtic than in the surrounding countryside) but it could be, although to a much lesser degree in most areas.
Thats not saying that none moved to the country, but most went to cities and towns first it seems, a bit like our current wave of immigrants that start in the towns and then filter out a bit from there i suppose.

The most Germanic areas seem to be the Anglian peninsula and Lindsey (much of what is now Lincolnshire) then followed by the rest of the East Midlands and the South-East (including Kent).

This is interesting. I have travelled along the coast of East Anglia and stopped in every town. The locals in the small villages there look mainly stocky, swarthy etc ... the opposite of Germanic. But as I go into larger towns and cities, blonds seem to become more common. Just my personal observation.

[Jackson]

This is interesting. I have travelled along the coast of East Anglia and stopped in every town. The locals in the small villages there look mainly stocky, swarthy etc ... the opposite of Germanic. But as I go into larger towns and cities, blonds seem to become more common. Just my personal observation.

All the Polish immigrants. :D

That's an interesting observation. I can't counteract that in any way using equivalent observations so i'll just have to take your word for correct on this. Although i would say that looks and genetics don't always correlate.

[Graham]

Netherlands would make a better cluster than Kent..Cornwall is a good one.

Netherlands, East Anglia - Doggerland
Cornwall, Wales, Ireland - North Atlantic
East Norway, Sweden - Scandinavian
Finland - Finland

[Atlantic Islander]

Gaita asked me to run the new k36 for him, here are his results in order:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
33.09% Iberian
13.82% Italian
----------------------------
8.18% North_Sea
5.59% West_Med
4.80% East_Central_Euro
4.52% Basque
4.52% North_Atlantic
4.41% East_Balkan
4.35% North_African
3.79% East_Med
3.67% Central_Euro
2.42% French
2.16% Volga-Ural
1.37% Near_Eastern
1.16% Eastern_Euro
----------------------------
0.69% Indo-Chinese
0.61% Arabian
0.27% Northeast_African
0.23% West_African
0.18% Armenian
0.13% Fennoscandian
0.02% Amerindian
0.01% Malayan
----------------------------
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_Caucasian

[Atlantic Islander]

K36 seems to be up and running at Gedmatch.

[Tropico]

Mine is taking forever. lol Admixed people problems.

[Mark]

Some of my my numbers are slightly different from the first two K36 runs via 'R' and DIYdodecad. Also, the pie chart image to the right is not displaying correctly and appears to be broken. Could be because of all the sections it needs to account for. Anyone else experience this?

[Tropico]

My picture for the pie chart is glitchy as hell though. :/

Happened 3 times already.
http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M210917_75EC98.gif

These are my results though.
Amerindian 15.37%
Arabian 1.14%
Armenian 1.18%
Basque 3.25%
Central_African 1.29%
Central_Euro 6.09%
East_Central_Asian 0.06%
East_Central_Euro 1.86%
East_Med 0.48%
Fennoscandian 0.88%
French 3.20%
Iberian 17.72%
Italian 4.68%
Near_Eastern 8.31%
North_African 4.56%
North_Atlantic 4.92%
North_Sea 8.41%
Northeast_African 1.73%
Oceanian 0.15%
Pygmy 0.34%
Siberian 1.45%
South_Central_Asian 0.56%
West_African 7.17%
West_Med 5.17%

So 72.41 % Caucasian , 17.37% Amerindian and 10.19% SSA African roughly. Accurate.

[Atlantic Islander]

Some of my my numbers are slightly different from the first two K36 runs via 'R' and DIYdodecad. Also, the pie chart image to the right is not displaying correctly and appears to be broken. Could be because of all the sections it need to account for. Anyone else experience this?

My image was broken too, I'm running it in a different browser right now.

[Tropico]

Im running it on my Macbook. Im running them on Google Chrome and Safari to see.

[Mark]

K36 - from GEDmatch

http://i.imgur.com/V0964oR.png

[Atlantic Islander]

okay here we go:

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5124/k36results.png

Percentages are almost exactly the same, so that's good.

Edit to add:


Chromosome painting, reduced size:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/189/crhpaintk36.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/357/colorassign.png

[Oneeye]

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/k36chromosome_zpscc3fbf91.png


http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/K36pie_zpse5c1d7cc.png


Very slight differences from before.... seem insignificant to compare:


North_Sea 20.60%
Iberian 17.13%
Fennoscandian 12.32%
North_Atlantic 11.91%
French 7.76%
Italian 7.46%
Central_Euro 5.88%
East_Balkan 3.85%
Eastern_Euro 3.53%
East_Central_Euro 3.27%
North_Caucasian 3.24%
Basque 1.28%
Armenian 1.22%
Amerindian 0.27%
South_Central_Asian 0.26%

[Atlantic Islander]

I think I'm going to run mine bychr in diydodecad, because my painting is too jumbled - it's difficult to really see what's what.

[Jackson]

Results seem to be very similar to the manual runs. Although i now have the chance to see what the phased data files look like which is interesting.

My Paternal Phased Data File:

21.33% North_Sea
14.39% North_Atlantic
12.13% Italian
11.21% Central_Euro
9.18% French
8.26% East_Central_Euro
7.56% Iberian
7.34% Fennoscandian
2.60% West_Med
2.09% Volga-Ural
1.61% Basque
1.25% East_Med
0.89% Eastern_Euro
0.15% Indo-Chinese

My Maternal Phased Data File:
(The mystery ancestry seems to be from the Balkans looking at this)

20.58% North_Sea
14.56% North_Atlantic
9.62% Iberian
8.79% East_Central_Euro
7.84% Central_Euro
6.88% East_Balkan
6.48% Eastern_Euro
5.86% West_Caucasian
5.69% French
4.18% Basque
3.22% Italian
2.02% Fennoscandian
1.78% East_Med
1.66% South_Central_Asian
0.60% West_African
0.19% Oceanian


Dad's Paternal Phased Data File:

21.68% North_Sea
13.49% Central_Euro
11.55% North_Atlantic
11.16% Italian
10.35% Fennoscandian
9.95% East_Central_Euro
7.99% Iberian
7.77% French
2.97% Basque
1.80% South_Central_Asian
0.67% Volga-Ural
0.24% West_Med
0.23% Eastern_Euro
0.07% East_Med
0.07% Near_Eastern

Dad's Maternal Phased Data File:

22.74% North_Sea
17.65% Iberian
14.09% North_Atlantic
8.99% French
8.33% East_Central_Euro
8.11% Italian
8.02% Central_Euro
4.38% Eastern_Euro
2.36% Fennoscandian
2.16% West_Med
2.11% Volga-Ural
1.08% East_Balkan

[Mazik]

Btw, now the "by chromosome" utility works as well with K36 at gedmatch ;)

[Mazik]

K36 by each chromosome

Me

http://s21.postimg.org/ihp8gl3t3/bychrj.jpg

My grandpa

http://s21.postimg.org/b0g11de9z/bychre.jpg


I have 42.6% Iberian at chr 20, my grandfather got 29.8% near_eastern at chr 22 :p

[Atlantic Islander]

Btw, now the "by chromosome" utility works as well with K36 at gedmatch ;)

Lol, and I just finished sorting mine.

[Atlantic Islander]

K36 ByChr
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1192/bychrk36.png

I don't know if there's anything interesting about mine.

[drogin]

You probably know already, but "by chromosome" calculations are available through DIYDodecad too.
Int he .par files, like "admix.par", change the parameter "genomewide" to "bychr".


On a sidenote, it seems gedmatch is down...maybe the masses trying out K36 kiled it :D

[Loki]

http://i50.tinypic.com/2vkbaef.jpg

Screenshot missed out 22, but nothing special happens there.

[Tropico]

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M210917_93DED5.png

Typical admixed person. One hell of a paint ballon fight all in my genes.

[Mazik]

My chromosome painting:

http://s22.postimg.org/yb8iwq0sx/k36chrpt.jpg

[Loki]

My chromosome painting:

http://s22.postimg.org/yb8iwq0sx/k36chrpt.jpg

Am I colourblind, or why do you have so much East-Asian? :confused:

[Mazik]

Am I colourblind, or why do you have so much East-Asian? :confused:

It's north sea :)
the same colors are used for different components, it's a bit messed up, gedmatch is not made for that many components :p

Atlantic Islander posted this pic:

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/357/colorassign.png

[Graham]

Results seem to be very similar to the manual runs. Although i now have the chance to see what the phased data files look like which is interesting.



Your Grandad has different results, a little more. South Central Asian for a start.

[papa diddy pop]

Paternal grandmother gedmatch k36 result:

Armenian 1.10%
Basque 2.36%
Central_Euro 7.20%
East_Balkan 3.44%
East_Central_Euro 3.90%
East_Med 6.64%
Eastern_Euro 1.95%
Fennoscandian 2.40%
French 5.73%
Iberian 13.87%
Italian 22.04%
North_African 0.39%
North_Atlantic 6.78%
North_Caucasian 0.28%
North_Sea 12.98%
South_Central_Asian 0.97%
West_Caucasian 1.98%
West_Med 5.97%

Paternal Grandfather's result

Amerindian 0.34%
Basque 4.91%
Central_Euro 6.18%
East_Balkan 2.70%
East_Central_Euro 7.05%
Eastern_Euro 4.80%
Fennoscandian 2.91%
French 8.96%
Iberian 13.17%
Italian 12.22%
North_African 0.40%
North_Atlantic 12.72%
North_Caucasian 3.99%
North_Sea 15.14%
Volga-Ural 0.67%
West_Med 3.84%




Mom's result

Armenian 0.07%
Basque 4.49%
Central_Euro 9.44%
East_Balkan 1.41%
East_Central_Euro 4.58%
East_Med 3.45%
Eastern_Euro 5.93%
Fennoscandian 5.51%
French 6.17%
Iberian 19.20%
Italian 10.50%
Near_Eastern 1.75%
North_Atlantic 7.35%
North_Sea 12.90%
West_Caucasian 1.41%
West_Med 5.85%

[Oneeye]

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/k36admixbychromosome_zpsaa668dd9.png

39.8% Italian on Chromosome 3.... on 23andMe's Ancestry composition's speculative mode, the 0.5% "Southern European" that I get is on the same chromosome. Maybe it is real?

Do I get to join the med supremacy club now?

[Mark]

K36 by Chromosome with reduced size painting

http://i.imgur.com/v3sbFrY.png

http://i.imgur.com/gZcca2y.png

[Kazimiera]

No idea what it means, but here is mine!

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/Untitled-3_zps2dcd774f.png


And my blob of colours!

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/Eurogenes/K36chrompaint_zpsb560174e.png

[Annihilus]

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/k36a.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/k36b.jpg

[Pallantides]

My K37 Gedmatch results:

23.23% North_Sea
18.07% Fennoscandian
16.13% North_Atlantic
9.62% French
8.86% East_Central_Euro
7.74% Central_Euro
6.21% Eastern_Euro
6.09% Iberian
2.87% Volga-Ural
1.18% East_Balkan


rest 0%

[Tropico]

Whats "North Sea" exactly? Northern Euro?

[Mark]

Kent (U.K.) and Utah (U.S.)

>> Link to K36 Populations (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUlVTRmxQdGpZdW8/edit?pli=1)

[Gaita]

My K36 results through Gedmatch
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx24/Breogan2/2f10817dc2a624fe100e38c19f773796.jpg

[Jackson]

Your Grandad has different results, a little more. South Central Asian for a start.

True. And my mothers side clearly likes to show up Balkanic ancestry on this test with about 6.88% East Balkan, 5.86 West Caucasian and 1.78% East Med. This test seems to be good for picking up more recent ancestry as it seems to exaggerate it more than other test making it more clear.

[Oneeye]

Kent (U.K.) and Utah (U.S.)

>> Link to K36 Populations (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUlVTRmxQdGpZdW8/edit?pli=1)

Ricky, North Sea is Eastern England, (Kent, Utah) while North Atlantic is Western (SW Scots, Cornish, Utah), I think it is meant to be a sort of Celtic fringe vs. Anglo Saxon(Germanic) divider.

Looking at what constitutes the Iberian component, there are samples from quite a variety of Spaniards, maybe that is why a Northern Euro such as myself scores so high for it? Many of the regions are represented... how diverse are the Spaniards genetically from each other?

Doesn't k37 divide the Iberian? If so, can someone give me a link to download it from?

[Damião de Góis]

The "Iberian" populations includes spanish basques, which in my opinion should be in the "Basque" group. The rest of "Iberians" have no great difference from each other.

[Atlantic Islander]

Doesn't k37 divide the Iberian? If so, can someone give me a link to download it from?

I think you mean these files (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQYlVSazlOOFkzeEk/edit), I had a hard time trying to edit the F file, so I didn't run it for myself.

This is what he wrote:


New Jewish and Iberian clusters are available at the link below. These are compatible with the new K36 and K35 (but the Iberian cluster has to be removed).

Link (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQYlVSazlOOFkzeEk/edit)

I have my doubts that splitting Iberia into west and east clusters is useful, but it was a suggestion from a native of the region.

[Graham]

Iberian Reference
Andalucia -- 4 Samples
Aragon -- 5 Samples
Baleares -- 8 Samples
Cantabria -- 6 Samples
Castilla_La_Mancha -- 4 Samples
Castilla_Y_Leon -- 12 Samples
Cataluna -- 5 Samples
Extremadura -- 7 Samples
Spanish -- 12 Samples
Galicia -- 8 Samples
Murcia -- 6 Samples
Vasco -- 8 Samples
Valencia -- 10 samples



If you could divide them into clusters. What would anyone pick? I'm Curious

[Mark]

I think you mean these files (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQYlVSazlOOFkzeEk/edit), I had a hard time trying to edit the F file, so I didn't run it for myself.

Is it simply a matter of adding the content/text of 'Extra_clusters.txt' to 'admix.36.F' and running as usual?

[Damião de Góis]

Iberian Reference
Andalucia -- 4 Samples
Aragon -- 5 Samples
Baleares -- 8 Samples
Cantabria -- 6 Samples
Castilla_La_Mancha -- 4 Samples
Castilla_Y_Leon -- 12 Samples
Cataluna -- 5 Samples
Spanish_Extremadura -- 7 Samples
Spanish -- 12 Samples
Galicia -- 8 Samples
Murcia -- 6 Samples
Vasco -- 8 Samples
Valencia -- 10 samples



If you could divide them into clusters. What would anyone pick? I'm Curious

Dienekes did something with that. The results he came up with were the following:


The Iberian results are particularly interesting, showing the power of this approach compared to the one with unlinked data. There appear to be:

a Spanish Basque (#6),
French Basque (#11) cluster, as well as
a Portuguese/Galician/Castilla Y Leon (#9) cluster, and
a complementary Castilla La Manch/Cantabria/Andalucia/Murcia (#7) cluster, and
a smaller Aragon/Cataluna cluster (#8).

There is overlap between these clusters, but the geographical contrasts are quite evident. I did not go through the results of Spanish Project participants (all the Portuguese fall in the Galician cluster, and our Basque member in the Basque cluster as expeccted), so it would be interesting to hear whether they fall in the cluster(s) which exist in their regions of origin.


http://dodecad.blogspot.pt/2012/01/fastibd-analysis-of-iberia-france-italy.html

So if those were to be divided into clusters we probably would get:

- Galicia / Castille-Léon cluster - NW Iberia
- Aragon / Catalonia cluster - NE Iberia
- the rest - Main Iberian Cluster

[Damião de Góis]

The clusters correlate more or less with languages:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0hasQbYINU8/TMdVsfTUU6I/AAAAAAAAAKo/cKuehpyK7W8/s1600/Linguas+ib%C3%A9ricas.jpg

[Gaita]

K36 by chromosome:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx24/Breogan2/cfcb47fd1f24524a8f0d46c2689b9487.jpg

[Maleficent]

East_Med 16.22%
Near_Eastern 13.20%
Italian 11.66%
French 10.06%
Iberian 9.38%
North_Sea 7.39%
North_Atlantic 6.52%
Arabian 6.49%
Armenian 4.54%
North_Caucasian 4.38%
East_Balkan 2.59%
Central_Euro 2.44%
West_Med 1.66%
South_Central_Asian 1.27%
North_African 0.95%
East_African 0.40%
West_African 0.31%
Fennoscandian 0.26%
Eastern_Euro 0.24%
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/9545/fp02.gif
http://imageshack.us/a/img202/9979/fp01.png

[Atlantic Islander]

Is it simply a matter of adding the content/text of 'Extra_clusters.txt' to 'admix.36.F' and running as usual?

You have to remove the Iberian cluster from the F file first, but when I opened the F file I wasn't certain about what I should delete.

[7eleven]

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.64%
Armenian 4.46%
Basque 0.98%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.46%
East_African 1.31%
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.11%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.68%
East_Med 6.16%
Eastern_Euro 5.13%
Fennoscandian 5.07%
French 7.60%
Iberian 9.59%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.42%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.14%
North_African 1.06%
North_Atlantic 2.68%
North_Caucasian 6.03%
North_Sea 13.25%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.35%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.87%

[Atlantic Islander]

My results using East Iberian and West Iberian:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
14.70% Italian
12.11% North_Sea
----------------------------
9.61% West_Iberian
9.57% North_Atlantic
8.52% West_Med
8.14% East_Iberian
7.37% French
5.62% Central_Euro
4.91% North_African
3.15% Arabian
2.95% East_Med
2.92% Basque
2.74% Fennoscandian
2.42% East_Balkan
2.19% Near_Eastern
1.52% Volga-Ural
1.23% Northeast_African
----------------------------
0.18% East_Central_Euro
0.11% Omotic
0.01% Oceanian
----------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

[Damião de Góis]

My results using East Iberian and West Iberian:


Do you know how they were split? Because there are three clear clusters: Galicians, Catalans and Castillians.. East, West and Center.

[Atlantic Islander]

Do you know how they were split? Because there are three clear clusters: Galicians, Catalans and Castillians.. East, West and Center.

I have no idea. Maybe you could ask Polako.

[Hussar]

The new K36 is interesting....but we've gone too far (imo). I mean it's intriguing to see so many variants, but i don't really believe in the existence of "french genes" or "italian genes" (both the countries are too mixed to have "specific genes"). It's impossible. It's the result of a somewhat subjective selection of sapmples to obtain something you wish.
The job is fine, but looks like an attempt to imitate the standards of 23andMe etc. (many intriguing categories).

Personally i still prefer things like Eutest, or K12-13

[Mark]

Personally, I'm hoping for a K100 (the advanced overnight edition)! :) - using more populations groups such as Poland, Portugal, etc...

[gold_fenix]

The new K36 is interesting....but we've gone too far (imo). I mean it's intriguing to see so many variants, but i don't really believe in the existence of "french genes" or "italian genes" (both the countries are too mixed to have "specific genes"). It's impossible. It's the result of a somewhat subjective selection of sapmples to obtain something you wish.
The job is fine, but looks like an attempt to imitate the standards of 23andMe etc. (many intriguing categories).

Personally i still prefer things like Eutest, or K12-13

i don't think Italian is very mixed in North or central and with France well is clear that had influences of their neightbour, but perhaps the French component is another derivation of Pirineos as refugee

[Graham]

You could probably drop the French one. They're getting squeezed by the neighbouring clusters.

Italy is actually Northern Italy & Tuscany.

[Prince Carlo]

Italy is actually Northern Italy & Tuscany.

How do you know that?

[Graham]

How do you know that?
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUlVTRmxQdGpZdW8/edit?pli=1

Northern Italy -- 13 samples
Tuscany -- 88 Samples

So mainly Tuscany.

[Graham]

Tried a run without France, to see how it would turn out..Here's the difference. Iberia & Italy make the biggest gains, with Western Europe.

Without France
23.07% North_Sea +1.44%
19.11% North_Atlantic +1.92%
11.59% Fennoscandian +0.65%
10.90% Iberian +2.15%
10.05% Italian +2.10%
8.42% Central_Euro +0.58%
5.93% East_Central_Euro +0.50
5.71% Eastern_Euro +0.48%
4.62% Basque +0.38%
0.59% West_Med +0.30%
0.01% Armenian +0.01%

Without Italy
22.34% North_Sea +0.71%
18.49% North_Atlantic 0.57%
11.58% Iberian +2.83%
10.92% Fennoscandian -0.02
10.53% France +0.76%
8.51% Central_Euro +0.67
5.80% East_Central_Euro +0.37
5.44% Eastern_Euro +0.21
4.47% Basque +0.23
1.22% West_Med +0.93
0.64% Armenian +0.64%
0.05% North_Caucasian +0.05%
0.02% South_Central_Asian +0.02%

Without Basque
22.01% North_Sea +0.38%
18.26% North_Atlantic +0.36%
11.06% Iberian +2.31%
10.94% Fennoscandian 0.00%
10.09% France +0.32%
8.43% Italy +0.48%
7.95% Central_Euro +0.11%
5.50% East_Central_Euro +0.07%
5.23% Eastern_Euro 0.00%
0.52% West_Med +0.23%

Without Iberia
22.51% North_Sea +0.88%
18.86% North_Atlantic +0.94%
11.19% Fennoscandian +0.25%
10.57% France +0.80%
10.93% Italy +2.98%
8.31% Central_Euro +0.47%
5.76% East_Central_Euro +0.54%
5.41% Eastern_Euro +0.18
5.29% Basque +1.05
1.14% West_Med +0.85%
0.03% Armenian +0.03%

Without North Atlantic
25.82% North_Sea +4.19%
12.99% Fennoscandian +2.05%
12.26% Iberian +3.51%
11.42% French +1.65%
10.11% Italian +2.16%
9.31% Central_Euro +1.47%
6.75% East_Central_Euro +1.32
6.18% Eastern_Euro +0.95%
4.80% Basque +0.56%
0.29% West_Med +0.07%

Without North Sea
22.30% North_Atlantic +4.38%
13.98% Fennoscandian +3.04%
12.23% Iberia +3.48%
11.89% France +2.12%
10.77% Italy +2.82%
9.85% Central_Euro +2.01%
7.03% East_Central_Euro +1.60%
6.79% Eastern_Euro +1.56%
4.90% Basque +0.66
0.25% West_Med -0.04

[evon]

Personally i think the way forward lies in more and more advanced clusters, but i think this new run is too exclusive with regards to samples for it to be anything other then selective and crude...

[Atlantic Islander]

Without Iberian, Italian, and Basque clusters:

17.02% North_Sea (+ 5.81%)
14.23% North_Atlantic (+ 5.69%)
12.98% West_Med (+ 5.22%)
11.31% French (+ 4.76%)
---------------------------
8.19% Central_Euro (+ 3.05%)
7.25% East_Med (+ 4.54%)
6.61% North_African (+ 2.01%)
5.90% Near_Eastern (+ 3.93%)
4.72% East_Balkan (+ 2.63%)
4.06% Fennoscandian (+ 1.61%)
3.62% Arabian (+ 0.55%)
1.67% East_Central_Euro (+ 1.56%)
1.52% Volga-Ural (- 0.03%)
---------------------------
0.82% Northeast_African (- 0.46%)
0.06% Eastern_Euro (+ 0.06%)
0.03% North_Caucasian (+ 0.03%)
0.01% Armenian (+ 0.01%)
0.01% Omotic (- 0.16%)
---------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Oceanian (- 0.03%)
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

[Mark]

K4 (edited down from k36)

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
28.49% Italian
24.89% Near_Eastern
24.17% Iberian
22.45% East_Med

Special thanks to Atlantic Islander for all her help! :)

[Graham]

K4! :P K1 would be best.

[Mark]

K4! :P K1 would be best.

K1
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
100.00% Human_Being

[Jackson]

Without Iberian, Italian, and Basque clusters:

17.02% North_Sea (+ 5.81%)
14.23% North_Atlantic (+ 5.69%)
12.98% West_Med (+ 5.22%)
11.31% French (+ 4.76%)
---------------------------
8.19% Central_Euro (+ 3.05%)
7.25% East_Med (+ 4.54%)
6.61% North_African (+ 2.01%)
5.90% Near_Eastern (+ 3.93%)
4.72% East_Balkan (+ 2.63%)
4.06% Fennoscandian (+ 1.61%)
3.62% Arabian (+ 0.55%)
1.67% East_Central_Euro (+ 1.56%)
1.52% Volga-Ural (- 0.03%)
---------------------------
0.82% Northeast_African (- 0.46%)
0.06% Eastern_Euro (+ 0.06%)
0.03% North_Caucasian (+ 0.03%)
0.01% Armenian (+ 0.01%)
0.01% Omotic (- 0.16%)
---------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Oceanian (- 0.03%)
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

Your inner Britishness showing through there. :P

[Graham]

It shows how well, western Europe in connected.

[Atlantic Islander]

Your inner Britishness showing through there. :P

Lol :P

I just copied Kadu - strip away the main components to see where it goes.

[noricum]

East_Central_Euro 14.78%
North_Atlantic 11.74%
Eastern_Euro 11.45%
French 9.44%
Italian 9.35%
Iberian 9.12%
Fennoscandian 8.56%
East_Balkan 7.86%
Central_Euro 5.75%
North_Sea 5.72%
Armenian 2.54%
East_Med 1.77%
West_Med 1.36%
Basque 0.55%

[MfA_]

Another Turkish user's results

K13
Mediterranean 22.49%
Caucasus 22.17%
West Central Asian 16.40%
North European 15.04%
Southwest Asian 8.24%
East Asian 6.13%
North Eurasian 5.86%
South Asian 2.19%
East Siberian 0.68%
Amerindian 0.43%
Northeast African 0.26%
West African 0.11%
Pygmy -

K36
East_Med 15.83%
Near_Eastern 13.42%
North_Caucasian 9.67%
West_Caucasian 9.41%
Italian 7.35%
East_Central_Asian 6.86%
East_Balkan 5.07%
Armenian 4.78%
Arabian 4.76%
Fennoscandian 3.97%
Siberian 3.78%
Eastern_Euro 2.64%
East_Central_Euro 2.57%
Central_Euro 2.32%
South_Central_Asian 2.13%
South_Asian 1.58%
West_Med 1.32%
Iberian 1.31%
Basque 0.80%
East_Asian 0.29%
French 0.12%

[MfA_]

Eurogenes K13 Turkish Members

http://www.abload.de/img/k137sj91.png

[Jackson]

Eurogenes K13 Turkish Members

http://www.abload.de/img/k137sj91.png

Seems the 'Mongoloid' varies a fair bit, i guess it's partly due to ancestry from different regions?

[MfA_]

Seems the 'Mongoloid' varies a fair bit, i guess it's partly due to ancestry from different regions?

Yes indeed, Turkey is a great country shares border with many nations.. Western Turks usually score more ''Mongoloid''.. Though this chart is crowded with Northeast Turks -8 out of 12 participants have part or full ancestry from Northeast Turkey- where Mongoloid is the lowest overall in Turkey.. Need more central, western, southern samples..

[MfA_]

I got bored and have done a PCA plot with Turkish users' K13 results

http://www.abload.de/img/k13_pca2fpjuj.png

[Graham]

What scores did you base that on? Good idea. :) Wouldn't know how to do that.

[Loki]

I got bored and have done a PCA plot with Turkish users' K13 results

http://www.abload.de/img/k13_pca2fpjuj.png

Interesting, annihilus seems to be quite unique. Where does he cluster I wonder?

[Pallantides]

Didn't Annihilus have some ancestry from the Balkans, if I remember correctly?

[MfA_]

What scores did you base that on? Good idea. :) Wouldn't know how to do that.

I used XLSTAT for PCA, it's fairly easy to use..


Didn't Annihilus have some ancestry from the Balkans, if I remember correctly?

It appears so, but i dont know exactly..

[Azalea]

Didn't Annihilus have some ancestry from the Balkans, if I remember correctly?

His father is from Western Thrace with roots from Crimea/Ukraine somewhere if I remember right. Ethnic Turk though.

[Loki]

He's a Khazar, the last one.

[Mazik]

I got bored and have done a PCA plot with Turkish users' K13 results

http://www.abload.de/img/k13_pca2fpjuj.png

Could you show the other PCA plot as well? the one with the direction of the components you included (west asian, european etc).

[MfA_]

Could you show the other PCA plot as well? the one with the direction of the components you included (west asian, european etc).

F2 and F3, both includes all variables.. Though, (F1:F2) or (F1:F3) looks like a flat line, so it doesnt make sense (F4 is useless)..
http://www.abload.de/img/plotswqsal.png

[Mazik]

PCA of north euro members + some more.

http://s24.postimg.org/50xvpddhx/euk36.jpg


I used the northwest europe, central_east europe, north eurasian and southwest europe scores that Graham added before :)

I will add more tonight.

[Graham]

^^Shows West Norwegian Evon closer with us.

Good stuff. :)

[Graham]

North West, North Central & North East.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/7269/mapxqm.jpg

[MfA_]

This time PCA map is based on the distance between individuals of 13 categories.. Partizan is the most average ''Turk'' while Orange's Aunt and Annihilus are opposite extremes

http://www.abload.de/img/k13_distancessxuue.png
http://www.abload.de/img/k13_pca_mapb0uwn.png

Same goes for Apricity members that i could found their results
http://www.abload.de/img/apricitpca6ou0b.png..

[Loki]

I will add more tonight.

Include me next time please!

[Pallantides]

North West, North Central & North East.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/7269/mapxqm.jpg


There is only one 'North', the True North:cool::p
http://i.imgur.com/YuoEGOJ.jpg

[Graham]

You should flip the map upside down, haha.

[MfA_]

The PCA looks like a Nordic flag :p

[Jackson]

^^Shows West Norwegian Evon closer with us.

Good stuff. :)

You two are my long lost cousins, i knew there was something to the long-face club!

Edit: It's interesting that my father and grandfather cluster further away from Scandinavians than i do, it should be the other way around really.

[Jackson]

Is it possible to do one with EUtest as well, out of curiosity? I might have to try this myself if i ever work it out, looks fun.

[Mazik]

Include me next time please!

I will :thumb001:


Is it possible to do one with EUtest as well, out of curiosity?

Good idea :) yes it's possible, I think it would be even better actually.


I might have to try this myself if i ever work it out, looks fun.

Download xlstat for excel and follow this tutorial :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgLn-w6ijak

[Jackson]

I will :thumb001:



Good idea :) yes it's possible, I think it would be even better actually.



Download xlstat for excel and follow this tutorial :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgLn-w6ijak

Cheers! :)

Also i can include data for my grandmother, and my mother and aunt if you want as well?

[Mazik]

Cheers! :)

Also i can include data for my grandmother, and my mother and aunt if you want as well?

Sure :)

[Jackson]

Sure :)

Did you want their K36 or EUtest? I think i have them in this thread somewhere but i will dig them out.

[Mazik]

Did you want their K36 or EUtest? I think i have them in this thread somewhere but i will dig them out.

K36 for now.

[Jackson]

K36 for now.

Ok am just re-running them on GEDmatch.

[7eleven]

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.64%
Armenian 4.46%
Basque 0.98%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.46%
East_African 1.31%
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.11%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.68%
East_Med 6.16%
Eastern_Euro 5.13%
Fennoscandian 5.07%
French 7.60%
Iberian 9.59%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.42%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.14%
North_African 1.06%
North_Atlantic 2.68%
North_Caucasian 6.03%
North_Sea 13.25%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.35%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.87%

[Jackson]

Grandmother:

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.09%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.99%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.65%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.75%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.49%
Fennoscandian 4.06%
French 8.54%
Iberian 18.83%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 7.39%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.78%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 22.45%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.80%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.17%

Mother:

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.98%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.90%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.77%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.19%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.35%
Fennoscandian 5.23%
French 5.58%
Iberian 8.55%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.27%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.27%
North_Caucasian 1.45%
North_Sea 17.07%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.19%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.44%
West_Med 1.76%

Aunt:

Amerindian 0.15%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.27%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.90%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.59%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 12.56%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.65%
Fennoscandian 7.94%
French 2.96%
Iberian 12.98%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.54%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.53%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 18.82%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.36%
West_Med 0.71%

[Jackson]

I will :thumb001:



Good idea :) yes it's possible, I think it would be even better actually.



Download xlstat for excel and follow this tutorial :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgLn-w6ijak

I follow the instructions and get this message:

Incompatible number of rows between the two selections. Please make sure the selections have the same number of rows. If there are missing data at the end of the selection, you should use the range selection mode instead of the columns selection mode. Please modify the selection.

Not quite sure what it means.

Edit:
Or i get this if i do it exactly how it is done on the video:

The selection contains non-numerical data, while it is expected to contain only numerical data. (first case found in cell $B$2).

- Click "Back" to go back to the dialog box and modify the options or the data selection.

- Click "Cancel" to cancel the procedure.

[Maleficent]

Same goes for Apricity members that i could found their results
http://www.abload.de/img/apricitpca6ou0b.png..
Cool map. If Mark was included on here, he would be close to me, I think.:thumb001:

[Mazik]

Edit:
Or i get this if i do it exactly how it is done on the video:

The selection contains non-numerical data, while it is expected to contain only numerical data. (first case found in cell $B$2).

- Click "Back" to go back to the dialog box and modify the options or the data selection.

- Click "Cancel" to cancel the procedure.


Do you use a "," or "." in for your numerical values? You must use "," for them.

[Jackson]

Do you use a "," or "." in for your numerical values? You must use "," for them.

It's ok it turned out i just forgot to put in an extra row somewhere. I made a PCA from EUtest with just my family, looks alright, but will need to look for other's results to add! :)

[Mazik]

It's ok it turned out i just forgot to put in an extra row somewhere. I made a PCA from EUtest with just my family, looks alright, but will need to look for other's results to add! :)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70027-Eurogenes-EUtest-amp-Jtest-for-Southern-Europeans&p=1349953&viewfull=1#post1349953
:D

[Jackson]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70027-Eurogenes-EUtest-amp-Jtest-for-Southern-Europeans&p=1349953&viewfull=1#post1349953
:D

Shame it doesn't have all the numbers, am looking through this thread now to find the individual results. :D

I have quite a few on the list now, i'm including everybody i find, should be weird and interesting. Amerinese might be in his own camp though i think. :P

[MfA_]

Cool map. If Mark was included on here, he would be close to me, I think.:thumb001:

I can add Mark and others who weren't included if they provide me their results :)

[Loki]

I can add Mark and others who weren't included if they provide me their results :)

I think I posted mine as well, but is forgotten :(

I will get the data again.

[Jackson]

I need Loki, Pallantides and Evon's family EUtest (the most recent one from GEDmatch) as i can't find them anywhere. I might make a plot now to see how it looks and make another with them in it later.

[Pallantides]

My Eutest:

SOUTH_BALTIC 17.22%
EAST_EURO 17.18%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.60%
ATLANTIC 28.71%
WEST_MED 6.16%
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 2.22%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.91%
WEST_AFRICAN -

[Jackson]

Here is first run. Thanks Mazik! :). It seems to make sense:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/EUtestPCA1Img2.jpg

[Graham]

^^
There's probably a more Central to West theme going on with us. The two Portuguese very close down the bottom right. You could flip it clockwise.

[MfA_]

Ok i updated with Mark and GeistFaust

http://www.abload.de/img/k13_apricity_distancez3r4l.png
http://www.abload.de/img/apricitpca9sq5d.png

[Jackson]

^^
There's probably a more Central to West theme going on with us. The two Portuguese very close down the bottom right. You could flip it clockwise.

Ok i'll try that on the next run, will have a few more people too.

[Loki]

I need Loki, Pallantides and Evon's family EUtest (the most recent one from GEDmatch) as i can't find them anywhere. I might make a plot now to see how it looks and make another with them in it later.

My EUTest:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.68%
EAST_EURO 11.06%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.05%
ATLANTIC 20.90%
WEST_MED 13.57%
EAST_MED 9.75%
WEST_ASIAN 3.53%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.19%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.07%
EAST_ASIAN 0.14%
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 2.03%

[Jackson]

Here is round 2, still no Evon & co, but they should be between Pallantides and Graham somewhere:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/EUtestPCA2Img1.jpg

[Jackson]

Lol looks like Palla has been cornered by everyone else.

[Pallantides]

I always find my own spot slightly away from others.:)

[noricum]

I always find my own spot slightly away from others.:)

You mark the north-pole in every map after which we orientate:thumb001:
I also end up as a loner but in contrast to you somewhere in between the clusters being a mark of central-european genetic mediocrity:rolleyes:

[Graham]

Here is round 2, still no Evon & co, but they should be between Pallantides and Graham somewhere:

To give it perspective.
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/3995/eutestpca2img1.jpg

[Jackson]

To give it perspective.
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/3995/eutestpca2img1.jpg

I quite like our little northwest tribe. :)

[Pallantides]

To give it perspective.
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/3995/eutestpca2img1.jpg


King In The North!

[Jackson]

King In The North!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQW9lB_KbRg

[Graham]

Still waiting for Albion to give us his results. lol

[Mazik]

Ok, my second round.

http://s8.postimg.org/764rfhuqd/euk36b.jpg


Will add more tomorrow.

[Jackson]

Added 3 Danish samples and one north German one (people from 23&me who list their GEDmatch ID's, that i know of, anyone know any more?). Can't really see the north German one because he is bunked up with Quasimodem and my grandfather (he is actually a distant relative too lol), but the Danish ones are giving Pallantides a context:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/EUtestPCA3Img1.png

[Jackson]

Still waiting for Albion to give us his results. lol

I know! Can't wait. I'll have to ask him if FTDNA have sorted that problem out.

[Graham]

I know! Can't wait. I'll have to ask him if FTDNA have sorted that problem out.

Should have my parents done, within a couple of weeks.

Mum: Scottish, 1/4 Shetland & 1/2 Northumbrian.
Dad: Scottish, 1/2 Cumbrian.

[Damião de Góis]

Isn't Snchpnz british/sicilian? If so, his position is strange.

[Jackson]

Isn't Snchpnz british/sicilian? If so, his position is strange.

Hmm i don't know, but it is strange if that is the case. If he was British/Sardinian that would make more sense, but i don't know.

[Graham]

Isn't Snchpnz british/sicilian? If so, his position is strange.

Cuban.

[Jackson]

It's interesting that my mother clusters with a group of four who are 50% North-Central German and 50% Central-Eastern French. Her sister plots between that group and the NW Euro group.

[Graham]

Just started mucking about with K36 & adding bits...How do you get it larger without warping it?

Only mucking about so far.


Edit: Found it. Now I need to know how to rotate it correctly. :P

[Gaita]

Where am I?

[Graham]

Where am I?

I'll add you, don't worry. :)

[Mark]

I'm very confused... So who clusters closer to Iceland, me or Pallantides?!?! ;)

[Kazimiera]

I'm very confused... So who clusters closer to Iceland, me or Pallantides?!?! ;)

Definitely you. :p

[Kazimiera]

Hehe, need to pull Kaz and Polako away, into Poland..Get me into Britain. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/4122/50580706.png

That is so cool. Would it be possible to superimpose these realistically?

[amerinese]

Here are my paternal grandmother's EUTest results:



Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 11.19%
EAST_EURO 12.62%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.82%
ATLANTIC 28.72%
WEST_MED 11.26%
EAST_MED 4.20%
WEST_ASIAN 6.90%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.32%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN 0.96%
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

[Maleficent]

Hehe, need to pull Kaz and Polako away, into Poland..Get me into Britain. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/134/88786509.png
Add me and 7eleven!:P

[Jackson]

That is so cool. Would it be possible to superimpose these realistically?

That would be awesome indeed.

[Mazik]

Round 3.

http://s21.postimg.org/6vx6wwxon/euk36b.jpg

[Graham]

Add me and 7eleven!:P
Where is 7elevens results?

Added Heraus from Anthrocivitas, he is French Basque. Will have a look through Forumbiodiversity.. Leaving relatives for now, will add later on.

Didn't include IMs South Asian or the Small African scores. It's mucks up the chart, because so few have it.
http://imageshack.us/a/img341/5745/99074262.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/7123/19826865.jpg

As you add more, the map fixes it, or gets worse. May split up East-Central Europe. Sticks to close to the North. :) Some Finns could improve it.

[7eleven]

where is 7elevens results?



south_baltic 10.36%
east_euro 9.20%
north-central_euro 22.17%
atlantic 13.61%
west_med 12.52%
east_med 18.94%
west_asian 7.16%
middle_eastern 4.08%
south_asian -
east_african 1.24%
east_asian -
siberian 0.67%
west_african -

[Jackson]

Round 3.

http://s21.postimg.org/6vx6wwxon/euk36b.jpg

Interesting how my mother is so far into NW Europe, shes usually on the continent somewhere.

[Graham]

That is the older version, you should try again through Gedmatch. North Central Europe was taking out, a while back.

[Graham]

Where do you find all these people Mazik?

[Mazik]

Where do you find all these people Mazik?

In this thread and the ABF eurogenes thread.
And some 23andme relatives I know of at gedmatch.

[Mazik]

Interesting how my mother is so far into NW Europe, shes usually on the continent somewhere.

She got the highest NW Europe score and the lowest E_C_Europe score in your family with K36.

[evon]

Our EuTest data:

Maternal Granny:

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.21
2 ATLANTIC 23.93
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.65
4 EAST_EURO 15.44
5 WEST_MED 8.35
6 EAST_MED 3.79
7 WEST_ASIAN 2.92
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.68
9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.03

Maternal uncle:

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.96
2 ATLANTIC 24.13
3 EAST_EURO 15.02
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 14.14
5 WEST_MED 10.73
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.38
7 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.01
8 EAST_MED 0.33
9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.27
10 EAST_ASIAN 0.02

Paternal aunt:

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 30.78
2 ATLANTIC 25.73
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.32
4 EAST_EURO 13.02
5 WEST_MED 10.7
6 WEST_ASIAN 3.93
7 EAST_MED 0.27
8 SIBERIAN 0.27

Me:

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.79
2 ATLANTIC 26.46
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.84
4 EAST_EURO 15.35
5 WEST_MED 9.4
6 WEST_ASIAN 2.56
7 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.24
8 EAST_MED 0.18
9 EAST_ASIAN 0.18

[Jackson]

Seems that i get pulled away from the main group (like my mother and aunt) when some components or representatives of components are included, interesting seeing where we plot without it, although i think it's a good sign that there is foreign ancestry in there somewhere.

Anyway, here is other plot.

Evon, your Aunt plots between you and Graham, your Uncle between you and Larali and your Gran more towards Mazik (although still just in the NW group). Your family in general clusters best with the Danish, although i'd guess this is because western Norwegians are somewhat more similar to the Danish than eastern Norwegians? Seems to be so in Y-DNA too.

I might include fewer people in the north-west area in the next run otherwise it is a bit cluttered, or i could make short tags to make it easier to read:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/EUtestPCA4Img1.png

[Jackson]

The percentage of variance explained also increases as i take more out of the northwest.

[Jackson]

There we go, made it easier and also more disturbing to read, a few less included for clarity:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/EUtestPCA5IMG1.png

[MfA_]

Our Turkish Project is nearly in shape

http://www.abload.de/img/k13_anatolia_e0udf.png

[Graham]

Tidied up the Map a little... Haven't used Africa for Loki & Kaz.. Or other Asian clusters. Mainly European
..Think I'll add 23andme Family now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img145/6791/map1z.png

[orangepulp]

Jackson:

Can I be added to the map??

My EU results:

1 WEST_ASIAN 33.89
2 EAST_MED 32.17
3 WEST_MED 8.77
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 6.19
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.78
6 SIBERIAN 3.65
7 ATLANTIC 3.07
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 3.05
9 EAST_EURO 2.43
10 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.85
11 EAST_ASIAN 1.14

My aunt's EU test:

1 WEST_ASIAN 39.31
2 EAST_MED 33.26
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.81
4 WEST_MED 6.6
5 ATLANTIC 5.02
6 SOUTH_ASIAN 2.65
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 1.95
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 0.9
9 EAST_EURO 0.76
10 SIBERIAN 0.73

[Jackson]

Jackson:

Can I be added to the map??

My EU results:


1 WEST_ASIAN 33.89
2 EAST_MED 32.17
3 WEST_MED 8.77
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 6.19
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.78
6 SIBERIAN 3.65
7 ATLANTIC 3.07
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 3.05
9 EAST_EURO 2.43
10 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.85
11 EAST_ASIAN 1.14

My aunt's EU test:

1 WEST_ASIAN 39.31
2 EAST_MED 33.26
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.81
4 WEST_MED 6.6
5 ATLANTIC 5.02
6 SOUTH_ASIAN 2.65
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 1.95
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 0.9
9 EAST_EURO 0.76
10 SIBERIAN 0.73
Sure, you let me know just in time - I am leaving my computer but i can transfer everything i need to the laptop. Very lucky, half an hour later and you would have to wait a few days!

[orangepulp]

Sure, you let me know just in time - I am leaving my computer but i can transfer everything i need to the laptop. Very lucky, half an hour later and you would have to wait a few days!


Thanks a lot!! Much appreciated!!!

[orangepulp]

I hope you're not gone yet, can you add my aunt's husband as well??

EUtest

# Population Percent

1 ATLANTIC 26.58
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.24
3 EAST_EURO 13.37
4 WEST_MED 12.73
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.62
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.7
7 EAST_MED 4.49
8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.75
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.35
10 EAST_AFRICAN 0.18

[Jackson]

I hope you're not gone yet, can you add my aunt's husband as well??

EUtest

# Population Percent

1 ATLANTIC 26.58
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.24
3 EAST_EURO 13.37
4 WEST_MED 12.73
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.62
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.7
7 EAST_MED 4.49
8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.75
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.35
10 EAST_AFRICAN 0.18

Sure :).
I'm still here, will be able to access Apricity but won't be on as much tommorow so i'll do the next run tonight.

[Jackson]

Tidied up the Map a little... Haven't used Africa for Loki & Kaz.. Or other Asian clusters. Mainly European
..Think I'll add 23andme Family now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img145/6791/map1z.png

It's interesting that northern France is well within the NW group, as you would expect i guess! Are they from Normandy, Brittany or French Flanders?

[Pallantides]

It appears that Kaz is East Norwegian;)

[Graham]

It's interesting that northern France is well within the NW group, as you would expect i guess! Are they from Normandy, Brittany or French Flanders?

Think it was Normandy, was sifting though the 23andme Website Thread.

It appears that Kaz is East Norwegian;)
The map shows Polish plus N.W European = Norwegian. :D Happy with it so far. Wouldn't mind having a North African in there. Trying to keep it European & the outer areas of Europe also.

[Jackson]

Think it was Normandy, was sifting though the 23andme Website Thread.


Ahh cool, yes their position makes perfect sense.

[Jackson]

Doesn't look as good, am on excel 2010 on my laptop, but it's ok i guess, will do a better one on sunday/monday:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/eutestthing1.png

[Graham]

^^^ If you click on the names, you should be able to drag them into a better position. :) One of the things I hate, is when names overlap...My map is getting more like this also..It's funny how they can be similar. That's a really good thing, actually.

[Damião de Góis]

Tidied up the Map a little... Haven't used Africa for Loki & Kaz.. Or other Asian clusters. Mainly European
..Think I'll add 23andme Family now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img145/6791/map1z.png

Usually i'm on the eastern part of the Iberian cluster, closer to italians. In your map it's the opposite. Must be because there are no Basques there, since it's probably they who push everyone else west due to my low Basque score.

[Jackson]

^^^ If you click on the names, you should be able to drag them into a better position. :) One of the things I hate, is when names overlap...My map is getting more like this also..It's funny how they can be similar. That's a really good thing, actually.

Ahh thank you sir, you've made me happier. :D

Yeah its a good sign that both are reliable.
I think my position if different on each one because of my random admixture, at least its cool to see where i would be without it on your map. I also noticed they are oriented a bit differently, and also the Finns are really important, without them the map would be much less accurate. I find that removing the Finns can cause it to sort of fall apart. :D

[Sikeliot]

Iberians seem quite alone and isolated over there on these PCA plots. It's no surprise the Italians and Balkanians cluster near one another though.

[Damião de Góis]

Iberians seem quite alone and isolated over there on these PCA plots. It's no surprise the Italians and Balkanians cluster near one another though.

It's correct, and in line with other plots:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JaGiUw4mQmg/TffHa_JB8CI/AAAAAAAAB70/K6O0Oi20jhQ/s1600/nihms132060f1.jpg

[Graham]

Usually i'm on the eastern part of the Iberian cluster, closer to italians. In your map it's the opposite. Must be because there are no Basques there, since it's probably they who push everyone else west due to my low Basque score.

Aye, I have Heraus as S.W France. He's Half Basque I think? It's quite cool how, things change as you add more. I like my map. Perhaps I'll go though and add the Asian clusters. Which should take about a Year. Haha..

http://imageshack.us/a/img163/8015/map1df.png

[Kazimiera]

Pallantides is so pissed off because I'm more Norwegian than him! muahahahaha! (joking)

Include the African and you'll find me in the Congo.

[Damião de Góis]

Aye, I have Heraus as S.W France. He's Half Basque I think?

He's 100% Gascon.

[Maleficent]

Tidied up the Map a little... Haven't used Africa for Loki & Kaz.. Or other Asian clusters. Mainly European
..Think I'll add 23andme Family now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img145/6791/map1z.png
So I'm a Balkanoid! Interesting development!

[Graham]

Yeah your ancestry from both North West & South East pulls you in. You sit closest to the Balkans.

[Jackson]

Aye, I have Heraus as S.W France. He's Half Basque I think? It's quite cool how, things change as you add more. I like my map. Perhaps I'll go though and add the Asian clusters. Which should take about a Year. Haha..

http://imageshack.us/a/img163/8015/map1df.png

Think i prefer yours to mine, a lot cleaner. It's K36 right?
Interesting how north France moved away again.
And also how the Danish sit (or probably sit) in the north-central cluster rather than with Norwegians/Swedish (although this is also visible on other PCAs). Do you mind adding in my grandfather and mother (if just for one run, to save it getting too cluttered)? I'm interested to see where they end up on this K36. I suspect my mother would be close to northern France:

Grandfather:
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.78%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.78%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.04%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.26%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.35%
Fennoscandian 8.36%
French 6.15%
Iberian 11.61%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.13%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 13.67%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 21.95%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.79%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.15%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Mother:
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.98%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.90%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.77%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.19%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.35%
Fennoscandian 5.23%
French 5.58%
Iberian 8.55%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.27%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.27%
North_Caucasian 1.45%
North_Sea 17.07%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.19%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.44%
West_Med 1.76%

[orangepulp]

Doesn't look as good, am on excel 2010 on my laptop, but it's ok i guess, will do a better one on sunday/monday:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/eutestthing1.png
Thank you!

My aunt's husband is American of İrish/British origin, İ believe he is plotting in accordance to his origin?

[orangepulp]

Aye, I have Heraus as S.W France. He's Half Basque I think? It's quite cool how, things change as you add more. I like my map. Perhaps I'll go though and add the Asian clusters. Which should take about a Year. Haha..

http://imageshack.us/a/img163/8015/map1df.png
İ am inclining towards the Caucasus, İm sure my aunt would plot in the Caucasus.

[Jackson]

Thank you!

My aunt's husband is American of İrish/British origin, İ believe he is plotting in accordance to his origin?

Yes definitely so!

He seems both more Celtic and more continental, where in Britain is that part of his ancestry from?

[Kazimiera]

http://imageshack.us/a/img163/8015/map1df.png

And on this one Otto and I are in mid-air again.

[orangepulp]

Yes definitely so!

He seems both more Celtic and more continental, where in Britain is that part of his ancestry from?
I'm not exactly sure as he is not a first generation American. I don't even think he knows exactly which parts of England and Ireland he is originally from. His father also just got tested. If you want I can add you from their account on 23andme?

[Graham]

And on this one Otto and I are in mid-air again.

I'm adding & adding & you're getting near to the Polish so far. Taking a while to update.

[Jackson]

I'm not exactly sure as he is not a first generation American. I don't even think he knows exactly which parts of England and Ireland he is originally from. His father also just got tested. If you want I can add you from their account on 23andme?

If you would like. That would be cool. :)
I say Celtic because he seems to be Atlantic dominated and also pulls towards the south-west. Although his East_Euro and South Baltic scores are more typical of the Irish, so i'd guess overall hed be most similar to the Cornish and Irish.

[Graham]

Update. I'll add family & New Worlders later.. :) It's getting there. Want to get the shape correct. If I can crack it, could push further.

http://imageshack.us/a/img803/5179/mapeuro.png

[Atlantic Islander]

Aye, I have Heraus as S.W France. He's Half Basque I think? It's quite cool how, things change as you add more. I like my map. Perhaps I'll go though and add the Asian clusters. Which should take about a Year. Haha..

http://imageshack.us/a/img163/8015/map1df.png


Update. I'll add family & New Worlders later.. :) It's getting there. Want to get the shape correct. If I can crack it, could push further.

http://imageshack.us/a/img803/5179/mapeuro.png

Very nice.

[Jackson]

Interesting how one of the Irish is so far east, have seen that with a couple of them in previous plots i think?

Very good PCAs.