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Humanophage

04-27-2012, 11:50 AM

I'm getting unusually large Volga-Ural scores. No East Asian at all though (except on k12b) - take that, Mongol Horde!

(animated)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/HumanophageEurogenesGedmatch-1.gif

k9
North European 78.79%
Mediterranean 10.28%
Caucasus 4.26%
Siberian 2.40%
South Asian 2.13%
Southwest Asian 0.84%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.83%
West African 0.46%
East Asian -

k10
East European 52.98%
North Atlantic 29.02%
Mediterranean 7.42%
Caucasus 4.59%
South Asian 2.35%
Siberian 1.80%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.92%
West African 0.48%
Southwest Asian 0.44%

k11
South Baltic 37.19%
North Atlantic 26.75%
Volga-Ural 22.47%
Mediterranean 6.12%
Caucasus 3.67%
South Asian 1.87%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.75%
Siberian 0.57%
West African 0.44%
Southwest Asian 0.17%
East Asian -

k12
South Baltic 32.88%
Volga-Ural 21.12%
North Sea 19.18%
Western European 15.22%
Mediterranean 4.74%
Caucasus 3.31%
South Asian 1.82%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.73%
Siberian 0.57%
West African 0.37%
Southwest Asian 0.06%
East Asian -

k12b
South_Baltic 64.99%
Finnish 12.68%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 10.47%
Caucasus 3.26%
North_Atlantic 2.48%
South_Asian 2.35%
Southwest_Asian 1.16%
West_Central_Asian 1.11%
North_Asian 0.65%
East_African 0.58%
East_Asian 0.26%
West_African -

The Exiled King

04-27-2012, 07:40 PM

K12b_new

Western European 26.75%
Siberian 0.33%
East African 0%
West Central Asian 3.04%
South Asian 0.67%
West African 0.44%
Caucasus 16.92%
Finnish 3.20%
Mediterranean 26.63%
Southwest Asian 7.20%
North European 14.82%
East Asian 0%

North European in this = the South Baltic component from the first K12b.

Patches

04-27-2012, 11:05 PM

New K12b:

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/K12B.png

Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer:

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/hvfa.png

~Elizabeth~

04-28-2012, 12:06 AM

Davidski/Polako/David updated the gedmatch calculators

Here are mine:
K12b 1E-7 (NEW version)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4095

Hunter vs Farmer 1E-7( the NEW version)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4094

p.s. When I was logged out I couldn't see the pie charts I posted, so I guess they don't show at all even when I post the links because they are from private albums. Only contacts and moderators can see them.

Pallantides

04-28-2012, 12:33 AM

K12b 1E-7
http://i.imgur.com/iJ2M1.png

Hunter vs Farmer 1E-7
http://i.imgur.com/ltrzh.png

Atlantic Islander

04-28-2012, 12:34 AM

New K12b (default 1E-5)

http://i49.tinypic.com/rclqh5.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2dquic3.jpg

Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer (default 1E-5)

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ahibkk.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/4q4n5v.jpg

~Elizabeth~

04-28-2012, 04:04 AM

K12b 1E-7
http://i.imgur.com/iJ2M1.png

Hunter vs Farmer 1E-7
http://i.imgur.com/ltrzh.png

You're fully Scandinavian but your Finnish score is about 1.5% to 2% above mine. I have 11.73% Finnish in the new K12b 1E-7.
And mine is slightly higher than Graham from Scotland.
I am part Scottish.

poiuytrewq0987

04-28-2012, 04:16 AM

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/hntrgthr.png

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/k12bnew.png

orangepulp

04-29-2012, 12:50 PM

K12b new:

Caucasus: 42.81%
Mediterranean: 18.74%
West Central Asian: 10.91%
Southwest Asian: 10.45%
Western European: 5.09%
North European: 3.43%
Siberian: 3.09%
East Asian: 2.62%
Finnish: 1.44%
East African: 1.29%
South Asian: 0.13%
West African: 0%

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3914/k12bnew.jpg

Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer Admixture Proportions with 1E-7:

Anatolian Farmer: 53.53%
Mediterranean Farmer: 18.84%
Middle Eastern Herder: 13.23%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer: 5.37%
East Asian Farmer: 2.84%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer: 2.81%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer: 1.94%
East African Pastoralist: 1.04%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer: 0.40%
South American Hunter Gatherer: 0%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer: 0%
Bantu Farmer: 0%

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4746/shuntergatherervsfarmer.gif

The Exiled King

04-30-2012, 12:19 AM

My K12b results:

North_Atlantic 25.40%
North_Asian 0.26%
East_African 0%
West_Central_Asian 3.48%
South_Asian 0.36%
West_African 0.60%
Caucasus 15.63%
Finnish 3.40%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 31.46%
Southwest_Asian 8.99%
South_Baltic 10.42%
East_Asian 0%

My K12b_New results:

Western European 26.75%
Siberian 0.33%
East African 0%
West Central Asian 3.04%
South Asian 0.67%
West African 0.44%
Caucasus 16.92%
Finnish 3.20%
Mediterranean 26.63%
Southwest Asian 7.20%
North European 14.82%
East Asian 0%

In K12b_new the North European component is the same as the South Baltic component.

Going from the K12b test to the K12b_new test my South Baltic/North European admixture went up about 4%, and my Mediterranean admixture dropped 4-5%.

The Exiled King

04-30-2012, 08:56 PM

It would be great if everyone posted their admixtures from the K12 test and the K12b_new test on the Eurogenes blog. There are links there in his latest post to post your results so he can know what admixture components peak in different ethnic groups.

~Elizabeth~

05-01-2012, 10:03 AM

The K9 thru K12 and K12b and K12b-New and Hunter Gatherer were updated, some twice (three versions), and there are also options of 1E-2 thru 1E-7 for each of them.

I have the newest version(s), all with 1E-7, here on this chart by Larry
tinypic link --> http://i46.tinypic.com/30sfuaf.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/30sfuaf.jpg

❤~Elizabeth~❤

~Elizabeth~

05-01-2012, 10:14 AM

Eurogenes/Gedmatch spreadsheets:

K12 (Created by Loxias) -->https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkAXEzQP0aIadER3SFg0TnU5bTUzSE4za096YmwwR lE#gid=0

K12b_New (Created by Evon) -->https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmrjskaD3Uj8dFJvTU9SRlFLOENaYzhWSVl1Wi0yR Xc#gid=0

Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer (Created by Evon) --> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmrjskaD3Uj8dDJkeFNCSkloSU1EM3M2aUo5T3o1M UE&pli=1#gid=0

❤~Elizabeth~❤

Graham

05-01-2012, 10:20 AM

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_6A2D6C.gifhttp://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_F00F0F.gifhttp://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_E1D81C.gifhttp://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_99DDB1.gif
http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_A83ABD.gif

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http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_934435.gif

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http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_DD9923.gif

The Exiled King

05-01-2012, 10:25 AM

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M223431_99DDB1.gif

Graham, do you think the North Sea component is a Nordic/Germanic one or a Celtic one much like Western European? Since you are from Scotland you seem to have more of the North Sea component than the Western European one.

Graham

05-01-2012, 10:39 AM

Graham, do you think the North Sea component is a Nordic/Germanic one or a Celtic one much like Western European? Since you are from Scotland you seem to have more of the North Sea component than the Western European one.

Think you would need to compare West/East Britain and West/East Norway to find that out.

Going by other tests of Polako's, swayed towards Nordic influence.

~Elizabeth~

05-01-2012, 10:52 AM

My K12 pie chart
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4123

❤~Elizabeth~❤

Pallantides

05-01-2012, 12:57 PM

http://i.imgur.com/ZwxLW.jpg

~Elizabeth~

05-02-2012, 05:00 AM

Message from Polako/Davidski

"OK, Gedmatch now has a place where you can put your ethnic origins, and the info will go straight to me. So please run yourselves again, and fill out the ancestry info when you do.

No need for the spreadsheets anymore. Please pass that on at the 23andMe forum, cos I gotta go now."

from this post on the ABF forum --> http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=847201&postcount=2335

I already posted it at 23andme.

~Elizabeth~

05-02-2012, 07:14 AM

Update from Davidski (a/k/a Polako)
http://bga101.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/please-fill-in-your-ancestry-info-at.html
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Please fill in your ancestry info at Gedmatch

As most of you know, there are now seven Eurogenes ancestry tests available at Gedmatch (see here). I was planning to provide a detailed guide to each test, with information about the distribution of all the clusters in a variety of ethnic groups. However, the problem is that I can't quite reproduce the results from Gedmatch with the software on my laptop.

Sometimes the scores differ by as much as 10%. This isn't an issue for those of you taking the tests, because it's the relative results that matter, and these will always be correct as long as everyone uses the same algorithm at Gedmatch. Nevertheless, it means that I can't say with certainly where the clusters peak, and what their average scores are in different ethnic groups.

So, the only way around this problem is to ask everyone what they're getting. To that effect, the Eurogenes Gedmatch tests now come with an option to provide your ancestry as you take the tests. The ancestry info and the results go straight to me, without any raw data being revealed. When enough people from relevant ethnic groups provide me with data, you'll see some really cool stuff here, like maps and such.

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Eurogenes link at Gedmatch: http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/ap_mix1_euro.php

❤~Elizabeth~❤

Pallantides

05-03-2012, 06:51 PM

K9
http://i.imgur.com/jZHRJ.png

K12
http://i.imgur.com/dHPHx.png

K12b_new
http://i.imgur.com/9odWL.png

Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer
http://i.imgur.com/cweeb.png

The Exiled King

05-03-2012, 07:36 PM

The East Asian does appear in your Eurogenes tests. Strange that Dr. Mcdonald did not pick up any East Asian segments in his chromosome painting. Although I imagine it could have been on one of the segments that were "unreadable" in his calculator.

Sorry duplicate post lol.

~Elizabeth~

05-04-2012, 02:01 AM

22 chromosomes

Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4142

K12b_New
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4145

K12
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4143

edit: Sorry, I forgot to add my K9. Here it is:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=539&pictureid=4163

Patches

05-04-2012, 03:04 AM

K12b:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/ECPb.png

K12b new:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/ECPbn.png

Pallantides

05-05-2012, 04:24 AM

Admixture Proportions by Chromosome:

K9
http://i.imgur.com/Ec33D.png

K12
http://i.imgur.com/9IoDE.png

K12b_new
http://i.imgur.com/0qf3M.png

Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer
http://i.imgur.com/rqHW9.png

~Elizabeth~

05-05-2012, 04:44 AM

^ That's great, Pallantides. I'll post mine too. :)

I don't have them yet...but I will in a while...

~Elizabeth~

05-05-2012, 05:12 AM

Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=546&pictureid=4187

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K9
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=546&pictureid=4188

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K12
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=546&pictureid=4189

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K12b_New
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=546&pictureid=4190

~Elizabeth~

Pallantides

05-05-2012, 08:06 PM

Admixture Proportions 1E-7
http://i.imgur.com/eQCBv.png

Admixture chromosome painting
http://i.imgur.com/yoP08.png

Admixture by chromosome
http://i.imgur.com/evkDZ.png

Nurzat

05-05-2012, 08:16 PM

K13:

49% North European
24% Mediterranean
11% Caucasus
8% Westcentral Asian
3% Southwest Asian
2% North Eurasian
1% East Asian

K13Q:

44% Baltic
30% Mediterranean
10% North Atlantic
8% Westcentral Asian
6% Caucasian
1.5% Eastcentral Asian
0.00001% all others

poiuytrewq0987

05-05-2012, 08:22 PM

K13
42.73% North European
27.03% Mediterranean
12.84% Caucasus
08.17% West Central Asian
06.00% Southwest Asian
01.68% North Eurasian
00.75% Amerindian
00.55% East Asian
00.26% Pygmy

Pallantides

05-05-2012, 08:34 PM

North European 64.48%
Mediterranean 23.92%
Caucasus 6.36%
West Central Asian 1.59%
North Eurasian 1.35%
East Siberian 0.93%
East Asian 86%
West African 0.24%
Pygmy 0.17%
Northeast African 0.07%

The Exiled King

05-05-2012, 09:56 PM

K13Q:

44% Baltic
30% Mediterranean
10% North Atlantic
8% Westcentral Asian
6% Caucasian
1.5% Eastcentral Asian
0.00001% all others
How did you get the K13Q test?

Transhumanist

05-05-2012, 11:18 PM

My K=13 results, and K=13 results for two Iraqi Mandaeans:

Me (Assyrian) K=13

North European 4.73%
West African -
Mediterranean 22.97%
Northeast African 0.83%
North Eurasian 0.59%
South Asian 2.83%
Southwest Asian 12.90%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 29.00%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 26.14%

Iraqi Mandaean K=13

North European 3.50%
West African -
Mediterranean 23.59%
Northeast African 1.07%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 3.45%
Southwest Asian 13.23%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 27.59%
East Siberian 0.49%
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.29%
West Central Asian 26.78%

Iraqi Mandaean 2 K=13

North European 2.96%
West African -
Mediterranean 21.73%
Northeast African 2.00%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 3.66%
Southwest Asian 15.22%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 27.00%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.74%
West Central Asian 26.69%

~Elizabeth~

05-05-2012, 11:29 PM

How did you get the K13Q test?

I don't where he got it from either.
There isn't a Q test at gedmatch

~Elizabeth~

05-05-2012, 11:30 PM

My K13
Eurogenes Davidski (a/k/a Polako) added a K13 to gedmatch today
http://s19.postimage.org/irjafq1ib/Admixture_Proportions_K13_By_Chromosome_EUROGENE.j pg

K13 pie chart
http://s19.postimage.org/qyfvl1gyr/K13_pie_chart_eurogenes_gedmatch.jpg

Barreldriver

05-05-2012, 11:47 PM

My Gedmatch K13:

North European 52.63%
West African 0%
Mediterranean 31.11%
Northeast African 0%
North Eurasian 0%
South Asian 0.89%
Southwest Asian 1.28%
Pygmy 0.59%
Caucasus 9.40%
East Siberian 0%
East Asian 0%
Amerindian 1.54%
West Central Asian 2.55%

Patches

05-05-2012, 11:54 PM

K13:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/k13.png

Barreldriver

05-06-2012, 12:10 AM

Does anyone know how to make those RMS calculators that Roch used to do for these Gedmatch results?

~Elizabeth~

05-06-2012, 12:11 AM

K13:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/k13.png

Your North European is in bright red, while mine is pink. Same category.

You must have your colors on intense mode, or mine are muted.

~Elizabeth~

05-06-2012, 03:40 AM

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=226

link to the ABF subforum at Apricity

evon

05-06-2012, 09:08 AM

North European 64.48%
Mediterranean 23.92%
Caucasus 6.36%
West Central Asian 1.59%
North Eurasian 1.35%
East Siberian 0.93%
East Asian 0.86%
West African 0.24%
Pygmy 0.17%
Northeast African 0.07%

Siden du er moderator kan du vel åpne kontoen min, eg har vist ikke muligheter til å poste alle steder :P

Our K13:

Mine:

North European 62.29%
Mediterranean 26.13%
Caucasus 3.99%
West Central Asian 3.43%
South Asian 1.20%
Southwest Asian 1.20%
East Asian 1.19%
Amerindian 0.39%
West African 0.18%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
Pygmy -
East Siberian -

Paternal aunt:

North European 60.30%
Mediterranean 26.51%
Caucasus 6.84%
West Central Asian 2.09%
East Siberian 1.50%
Southwest Asian 1.23%
West African 0.42%
North Eurasian 0.36%
Amerindian 0.33%
East Asian 0.17%
Pygmy 0.15%
South Asian 0.11%
Northeast African -

Maternal uncle:

North European 59.76%
Mediterranean 26.47%
Caucasus 5.62%
West Central Asian 3.37%
East Asian 1.54%
Southwest Asian 1.18%
South Asian 1.17%
North Eurasian 0.46%
Pygmy 0.39%
Northeast African -
East Siberian -
West African -
Amerindian -

Maternal grandmother:

North European 60.15%
Mediterranean 25.57%
Caucasus 5.41%
West Central Asian 3.96%
Southwest Asian 2.02%
South Asian 1.63%
East Siberian 0.51%
Amerindian 0.25%
Pygmy 0.25%
North Eurasian 0.15%
Northeast African 0.08%
West African -
East Asian -

I think there is allot of noise in this run, but i like that East Siberia and Amerindian is separated from North Eurasia:)

ZephyrousMandaru

05-06-2012, 11:22 AM

Eurogenes K13 is less accurate for me. It severely undervalues my principal components, and inflates others.

Eurogenes K9

Population

South Asian 2.7%
Caucasus 52.5%
Southwest Asian 21.4%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian 0.1%
Mediterranean 20.2%
East Asian 0.1%
West African 0.3%
North European 2.7%

Eurogenes K10

Population

South Asian 2.6%
Caucasus 51.5%
Southwest Asian 20.8%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian 0.1%
Mediterranean 20.9%
East Asian 0.1%
West African 0.3%
East European 1.2%
North Atlantic 2.6%

Eurogenes K11

Population

South Asian 2.5%
Caucasus 50.8%
Southwest Asian 20.7%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian 0.1%
Mediterranean 20.7%
East Asian 0.1%
West African 0.3%
Volga-Ural 1.9%
South Baltic 0.7%
North Atlantic 2.2%

Eurogenes K12

Population

South Asian 2.5%
Caucasus 50.3%
Southwest Asian 20.5%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian 0.1%
Mediterranean 20.8%
East Asian 0.1%
West African 0.3%
Volga-Ural 1.3%
South Baltic 0.6%
Western European 1.9%
North Sea 1.6%

Eurogenes K12b

Population

North_Atlantic 0.7%
North_Asian -
East_African 0.1%
West_Central_Asian 13.2%
South_Asian 0.2%
West_African 0.1%
Caucasus 41.6%
Finnish 0.6%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 23.2%
Southwest_Asian 19.8%
South_Baltic 0.4%
East_Asian -

Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer

Population

Anatolian Farmer 51.74%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer -
Middle Eastern Herder 22.84%
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 2.93%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 0.51%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.65%
Mediterranean Farmer 21.20%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer 0.09%

Compare to Eurogenes K13.

Population

North European 3.50%
West African -
Mediterranean 24.95%
Northeast African 1.07%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.94%
Southwest Asian 12.63%
Pygmy 0.12%
Caucasus 33.30%
East Siberian 0.26%
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 22.23%

Transhumanist

05-06-2012, 11:30 AM

Eurogenes K13 is less accurate for me. It severely undervalues my principal components, and inflates others.

You look fine. You just need to compare your values to fellow Mesopotamians. You are ASY2.

ASY1 ASY2 MAN1 MAN2
4.73% 3.50% 3.50% 2.96% North European
-0 -0 -0 -0 West African
22.97% 24.95% 23.59% 21.73% Mediterranean
0.83% 1.07% 1.07% 2.00% Northeast African
0.59% -0 -0 -0 North Eurasian
2.83% 1.94% 3.45% 3.66% South Asian
12.90% 12.63% 13.23% 15.22% Southwest Asian
-0 0.12% -0 -0 Pygmy
29.00% 33.30% 27.59% 27.00% Caucasus
-0 0.26% 0.49% -0 East Siberian
-0 -0 -0 -0 East Asian
-0 -0 0.29% 0.74% Amerindian
26.14% 22.23% 26.78% 26.69% West Central Asian

ZephyrousMandaru

05-06-2012, 11:34 AM

You look fine. You just need to compare your values to fellow Mesopotamians. You are ASY2.

ASY1 ASY2 MAN1 MAN2
4.73% 3.50% 3.50% 2.96% North European
-0 -0 -0 -0 West African
22.97% 24.95% 23.59% 21.73% Mediterranean
0.83% 1.07% 1.07% 2.00% Northeast African
0.59% -0 -0 -0 North Eurasian
2.83% 1.94% 3.45% 3.66% South Asian
12.90% 12.63% 13.23% 15.22% Southwest Asian
-0 0.12% -0 -0 Pygmy
29.00% 33.30% 27.59% 27.00% Caucasus
-0 0.26% 0.49% -0 East Siberian
-0 -0 -0 -0 East Asian
-0 -0 0.29% 0.74% Amerindian
26.14% 22.23% 26.78% 26.69% West Central Asian

Yeah, but now I'm confused. Which is more accurate?

Transhumanist

05-06-2012, 11:40 AM

Yeah, but now I'm confused. Which is more accurate?

It is more about combining the results of the different runs. This requires reference to results of other individuals and populations for each run.

ZephyrousMandaru

05-06-2012, 11:49 AM

It is more about combining the results of the different runs. This requires reference to results of other individuals and populations for each run.

So it includes individuals who don't share our ancestry. Because this run made me feel less related to the people of the Caucasus/Anatolia. The West_Central_Asian component exponentially increased. And our Southwest Asian chopped 7 to 9%. The Northeast African was an interesting surprise. Am I officially a Black man now?

The Exiled King

05-06-2012, 02:18 PM

Eurogenes K13:

North European 35.12%
West African 0.65%
Mediterranean 34.30%
Northeast African 0%
North Eurasian 0%
South Asian 0.89%
Southwest Asian 4.93%
Pygmy 0%
Caucasus 15.32%
East Siberian 0.83%
East Asian 0%
Amerindian 0%
West Central Asian 7.96%

Damião de Góis

05-06-2012, 03:29 PM

K13

http://oi50.tinypic.com/30xacrn.jpg

Viljuska

05-06-2012, 03:44 PM

Eurogenes K13 is less accurate for me. It severely undervalues my principal components, and inflates others.
I feel the same.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ppjy3n.jpg

noricum

05-06-2012, 08:27 PM

K 13

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/EK13.png

Viljuska

05-06-2012, 08:44 PM

Why the new "West Central Asian" component?
Is this part of previous "Caucasus"?

Graham

05-06-2012, 08:51 PM

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/K13.png

North European 58.77%
Mediterranean 29.78%
West Central Asian 5.15%
Caucasus 3.32%
South Asian 1.07%
Southwest Asian 0.93%
Amerindian 0.62%
West African 0.16%
East Siberian 0.08%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
Pygmy -
East Asian -

Sicilianu101

05-07-2012, 01:08 AM

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=4193

Allenson

05-07-2012, 07:29 PM

Here's my K13:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7137/7153560895_ef1f51ab30_z.jpg

And my hunter vs farmer:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7250/7007470470_a018ecce79_z.jpg

It's interesting to note that no matter which test I run, I come up with zero African and zero Amerindian. So much for us 'admixed' old stock Americans.

~Elizabeth~

05-08-2012, 05:18 AM

This list was posted by Polako over at the biodiversity forum (ABF) :

K9

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - East China
West African - Nigeria
North European - Lithuania

K10

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - East China
West African - Nigeria
East European - Belarus
North Atlantic - Ireland

K11

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - East China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
North Atlantic - Ireland

K12

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - East China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
Western European - Western Ireland
North Sea - Southern Norway

K12b_new

Western European - Cornwall
Siberian - Central Siberia
East African - North Kenya
West Central Asian - Balochistan
South Asian - South India
West African - Nigeria
Caucasus - Georgia
Finnish - East Finland
Mediterranean - Sardinia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
Baltic - Belarus
East Asian - East China

K13

North European - Lithuania
West Africa - Nigeria
Northeast African - Ethiopia Oromo
North Eurasian - Central Siberia
South Asian - South India
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
Pygmy - Mbuti Pygmy
Caucasus - Georgia
East Siberian - Koryaks
East Asian - East China
Amerindian - South America
West Central Asian - Balochistan

orangepulp

05-08-2012, 09:49 AM

K13

Caucasus 37.66%
Mediterranean 20.40%
West Central Asian 18.41%
North European 8.75%
Southwest Asian 6.88%
North Eurasian 3.20%
East Asian 1.99%
South Asian 1.46%
Northeast African 0.98%
East Siberian 0.22%
Pygmy 0.06%
West African 0%
Amerindian 0%

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/840/k13t.png

Padre Organtino

05-08-2012, 10:42 AM

evon

05-08-2012, 06:50 PM

The Eurogenes components maps:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9593/76740091.jpg
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http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3914/k12bnew.jpg
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http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4691/hgfz.jpg

Pallantides

05-10-2012, 12:19 AM

http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/geographicethnic-peaks-in-eurogenes.html

First of all, below is a list of the geographic locations or ethnic groups in which the clusters from the Eurogenes' Gedmatch tests peak. I can't post any population averages or maps at present, but will do so as soon as possible. I really need more people to fill in their ancestry details at Gedmatch when they run these tests, otherwise producing more detailed guides won't be possible.

K9
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
North European - Lithuania

K10
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
East European - Belarus
North Atlantic - Ireland

K11
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
North Atlantic - Ireland

K12
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
Western European - Western Ireland
North Sea - Southern Norway

K12b
Western European - Cornwall
Siberian - Central Siberia
East African - Masaai
West Central Asian - Balochistan
South Asian - South India
West African - Nigeria
Caucasus - Georgia
Finnish - Eastern Finland
Mediterranean - Sardinia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North European - Lithuania
East Asian - Eastern China

K13
North European - Lithuania
West African - Nigeria
Northeast African - Ethiopia Oromo
North Eurasian - Central Siberia
South Asian - South India
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
Pygmy - Mbuti Pygmy
Caucasus - Georgia
East Siberian - Koryaks
East Asian - Eastern China
Amerindian - South America
West Central Asian - Balochistan

Hunter-Gatherer vs. Farmer (Gedmatch edition)
Anatolian Farmer - Western Caucasus
Baltic Hunter Gatherer - Lithuania
Middle Eastern Herder - Bedouin
East Asian Farmer - Eastern China
South American Hunter Gatherer - South America
South Asian Hunter Gatherer - South India
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - Central Siberia
East African Pastoralist - Masaai
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - Papua New Guinea
Mediterranean Farmer - Sardinia
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - Mbuti Pygmy
Bantu Farmer - West Africa

Now, the K12 test is the most useful analysis in the context of my project, which focuses on the genetic substructures of groups from north of the Alps and Carpathians. Therefore, most of this post will be dedicated to that test, and especially to the European and West Eurasian clusters it features. Indeed, below is an MDS plot showing synthetic samples made from the allele frequencies of the seven West Eurasian clusters from the K12.
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/2070/k12weclusters.png

It's pretty easy to see what's going on there. The four North European clusters are positioned close together on the left of the plot. However, the Western European and North Sea clusters both show significant affinity to the Mediterranean cluster, by pulling towards its direction.

Note also that the Mediterranean and Caucasus clusters are placed about half way between the South Baltic and Southwest Asian clusters across dimension one. This is in line with geography, because the Mediterranean Basin and Caucasus Mountains are located between Northern Europe and the Middle East.

However, the Mediterranean and Caucasus clusters are sharply differentiated across dimension two. This also fits geography, because there's obviously a huge distance between the populations of the Western Mediterranean (in which the Mediterranean cluster peaks) and the Caucasus.

More to come...

Ibericus

05-10-2012, 02:50 AM

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/340/piea.gif

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/7278/k12l.png

Allenson

05-10-2012, 12:33 PM

Well, you do have some Anatolian stuff;) Then again your level of admix is pretty normal for Euros.

Almost surely a Neolithic incomer signal, I would say. And no, nothing out of normal for a western/northwestern European.

My point was regarding the complete absensce of any more recent admixture here in the New World.

GeistFaust

05-10-2012, 08:00 PM

K9:
South Asian 0%
Caucasus 8.57%
Southwest Asian 5.60%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0%
Siberian 0%
Mediterranean 31.16%
East Asian 0%
West African 0%
North European 54.65%

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_BE0A51.gif
K10:
Population
South Asian
Caucasus 8.44%
Southwest Asian 5.54%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian
Mediterranean 21.17%
East Asian
West African
East European 17.85%
North Atlantic 47.01%
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_BE0A51-1.gif

K11:
Population
South Asian -
Caucasus 7.98%
Southwest Asian 5.28%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 20.63%
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 7.25%
South Baltic 13.45%
North Atlantic 45.41%

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_5A8FA7.gif

K-12:
Population
South Asian
Caucasus 7.65%
Southwest Asian 5.11%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian
Mediterranean 19.07%
East Asian
West African
Volga-Ural 5.81%
South Baltic 11.24%
Western European 27.06%
North Sea 24.06%
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_A6380F.gif
K-12b:
Population
Western European 36.91%
Siberian 0.11%
East African 0.50%
West Central Asian -
South Asian 0.24%
West African -
Caucasus 9.09%
Finnish 3.41%
Mediterranean 21.34%
Southwest Asian 5.41%
North European 22.99%
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_54BD88.gif

East Asian
K-13: Population
North European 48.26%
West African
Mediterranean 32.89%
Northeast African 0.69%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 0.28%
Southwest Asian 4.51%
Pygmy
Caucasus 8.71%
East Siberian 0.53%
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 4.13%

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_912D67.gif

Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer:
Population
Anatolian Farmer 10.69%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 45.73%
Middle Eastern Herder 5.59%
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 0.25%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.43%
Mediterranean Farmer 37.31%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
Bantu Farmer
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc444/GeistFaust/M220443_C6DB5C.gif

Hussar

05-11-2012, 08:52 PM

My K12

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M123730_C9DBE2.gif

Pallantides

05-11-2012, 11:15 PM

Davidski got some Sami samples from North Finland now:thumb001:
http://i.imgur.com/jy7Hy.png

Pallantides

05-14-2012, 03:32 PM

Graham

05-14-2012, 03:45 PM

^^ So that would put you just above average for Sami found in Swedish & Norwegians. Would be interesting to find out the population averages.

Pallantides

05-14-2012, 05:08 PM

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3659/neumds2.png

Oh my the Sami don't cluster with Siberians... :eek:

Graham

05-14-2012, 05:21 PM

Oh my the Sami don't cluster with Siberians... :eek:

Sorry I don't have a great knowledge of Sami's or Siberian's. What does this mean Palla?

Pallantides

05-14-2012, 05:45 PM

Sorry I don't have a great knowledge of Sami's or Siberian's. What does this mean Palla?

It was for the people who seem to think Saami are part Mongoloid/Siberian and such nonsense:)

evon

05-14-2012, 07:13 PM

K3 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDhTMl9fdDRRdlBsc1NPYUpleHlRW VE#gid=0)
K5 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEQzdDdfMzhsaTR1bWp5VUxGNUtmV kE#gid=0)

Me:

K3

Sami - 9.49%
Finnish - 0.00%
Central European - 90.5%

K5

Sami - 1.43%
Central European - 85.48%
West Finnish - 6.26%
Lithuanian - 6.81%
East Finnish - 0.00%

Uncle:

K3

Sami - 9.67%
Finnish - 0.00%
Central European - 90.3%

K5

Sami - 1.72%
Central European - 98.2%
West Finnish - 0%
Lithuanian - 0%
East Finnish - 0%

Aunt:

K3

Sami - 6%
Finnish - 0.00%
Central European - 93.9%

K5

Sami - 0%
Central European - 99.99%
West Finnish - 0%
Lithuanian - 0%
East Finnish - 0%

Pallantides

05-14-2012, 07:17 PM

Your uncle is 'marginally' a bit more 'Saami' than me.

evon

05-14-2012, 07:21 PM

Your uncle is 'marginally' a bit more 'Saami' than me.

Yeah iknow, lets see how this measures up when David does a global run with saami included...

Graham

05-14-2012, 08:19 PM

Perhaps a couple of Brits, may have a small bit of Saami From the Norse Vikings. only a little :)

That's if Polako includes the UK. Would be cool if they did.

Pallantides

05-15-2012, 05:33 PM

K3 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDhTMl9fdDRRdlBsc1NPYUpleHlRW VE#gid=0)
K5 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEQzdDdfMzhsaTR1bWp5VUxGNUtmV kE#gid=0)

Me:

K3

Sami - 9.49%
Finnish - 0.00%
Central European - 90.5%

K5

Sami - 1.43%
Central European - 85.48%
Finnish(Savonian, East Finland) - 6.26%
Lithuanian - 6.81%
Finnish(Kuusamo, Northeast Finland) - 0.00%

Made a correction, seems "West Finnish" was not West Finnish after all.

Allenson

05-15-2012, 07:25 PM

Graham

05-15-2012, 09:02 PM

Like the way you set that up Allenson, so I copied you.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/K12.png

Lahtari

05-15-2012, 09:38 PM

In all of these various tets available at Gedmatch, I keep being surprised at how much northeast European (Baltic, Finnish, Volga, whatever the terminology used) is showing up in my paintings. It's not super-high but higher than I would've expected.

It's thought to be a bottleneck phenomenon inside Finland, resulting in a high genetic similarity. In other words, all Europeans have the "Finnish" genes, but Finns only have a narrow portion of the European genetic spectrum due to low population and periphery effect.

Don't know how this retales to the Volga peoples, though.

Or is it something that's constantly different from other Americans with similar ancestry?

The Exiled King

05-15-2012, 11:12 PM

Here's my K12 chromosome painting. Quite informative, really. In all of these various tets available at Gedmatch, I keep being surprised at how much northeast European (Baltic, Finnish, Volga, whatever the terminology used) is showing up in my paintings. It's not super-high but higher than I would've expected.

I've done extensive genealogical research and have yet to find an ancestor from further east than Hildsheim in north-central Germany (and that's only one person, let alone dozens involved in a folk-migration) so I'm not sure where it's coming from. Perhaps the Paleolithic. :cool:

Since you have a decent amount of Scottish ancestry I would definitely attribute the South Baltic, Finnish, and Volga-Ural admixture scores to the Germanic/Norse peoples who settled in Scotland. Also, Lahtari is absolutely right about the Finnish not having a lot of the genes other Europeans have but other Europeans having some Finnish genes.

Polako

05-16-2012, 02:50 PM

In all of these various tets available at Gedmatch, I keep being surprised at how much northeast European (Baltic, Finnish, Volga, whatever the terminology used) is showing up in my paintings. It's not super-high but higher than I would've expected.

It's just allele sharing most of the time, unless you can match some of those Northeastern tracts with Ancestry Finder hits at 23andMe.

I don't know how precise I can make these paintings at intra-North European level (which means anywhere from Ireland to the Volga), due to extensive allele sharing. But with more samples I might be able to tighten things up by a couple per cent, which would be nice. I'll probably try again in a couple of months, when new academic samples are released.

Allenson

05-16-2012, 06:47 PM

Or is it something that's constantly different from other Americans with similar ancestry?

Good question and one to which I don't know the answer. I haven't been able to compare with other Yanks of a similar pedigree to me as I don't know any that have done 23&Me and run their raw data through Polako's tools.

Amongst my contacts at 23&Me, my closest matches are all Brits--Graham's my closest one. :cool:

Pallantides

05-16-2012, 09:43 PM

I made maps based on the K12 averages provided by Day Tripper.

I just want to note that because of the small number of populations, and therefore data dots, the maps are a bit less reliable than usual, and some areas like the Alps or the Balkans and Anatolia are not reliable at all, and are better left ignored for now.
Also, I attempted a slightly new way of representing things (if you are not fond, I can always give versions with the original aesthetics, ocean visible etc...)

Southwest Asian
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_southwestasian.jpg
Probably quite recent in Europe, brought during historical times from the Middle East I would say.

Caucasus
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_caucasus.jpg
Classical Caucasus component, seems to have spread out with yDNA J2.

Mediterranean
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_mediterranean.jpg
E1b1b, G2a Maritime neolithic, quite evidently. Cardium?

Volga-Ural
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_volgaural.jpg
Obviously lacks data points among Russian Uralics. Not too different from South Baltic

South Baltic
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_southbaltic.jpg
Quite typical repartition again, well connected to R1a and the Balto-Slavic realm.

North Sea
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_northsea.jpg
Seems to follow Celto-Germanic expension very accurately (note the relatively high level in Portugal when compared to Italy). We have no Basque average, but I predict a dip in North Sea values among the Basques. Also, I would expect a visibly higher North Sea in Northern Italy than Central Italy.

Western Euro
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/ged_k12_westerneuro.jpg
Seems to indicate pre-Celto-Germanic but Beaker admixed native Western European components.
The higher value in Russia is not as significant as the map would suggest (only ~2% higher than its Slavic neighbours, and I believe is most likely due to the more cosmopolitan nature of Russia compared to Ukraine or Lithuania).

As an eye-candy a map representing the relative preponderance of the different Northern European components (Western, North Sea, South Baltic and Volga-Ural) around Europe, when assigned colours from a colour scale (so that the distance on the visual spectrum is roughly similar to the distance in terms of relative preponderance of the components).
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/gedmatchk12northdiff.jpg

And finally a series of extrapolations on the MDS of the components to illustrate the hypothesis I formulated above with the maps.
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/k12components.jpg

The Exiled King

05-19-2012, 09:26 PM

These are great maps showing the admixture components in various populations! It's very similar to the Dodecad ones that were made a while ago so you can correlate and cross-reference the two.

~Elizabeth~

05-27-2012, 11:34 PM

There is a new Oracle for Harappa, MDLP, and Dodecad, but the Eurogenes one says unable to load population data. I'll post my results when it's working.

May 27 2012
Eurogenes K=9
Population
South Asian 1.19%
Caucasus 8.97%
Southwest Asian 0.17%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.41%
Siberian 0.32%
Mediterranean 25.41%
East Asian 0.57%
West African 0.94%
North European 62.03%

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Eurogenes K9 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North European 62.03
2 Mediterranean 25.41
3 Caucasus 8.97
4 South Asian 1.19
5 West African 0.94
6 East Asian 0.57
7 North Amerindian + Arctic 0.41
8 Siberian 0.32
9 Southwest Asian 0.17

Unable to load population data.
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Eurogenes K10 Admixture Proportions
Population
South Asian 1.16%
Caucasus 9.02%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.41%
Siberian 0.21%
Mediterranean 16.18%
East Asian 0.52%
West African 0.92%
East European 23.62%
North Atlantic 47.92%

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Eurogenes K10 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North Atlantic 47.92
2 East European 23.62
3 Mediterranean 16.18
4 Caucasus 9.02
5 South Asian 1.16
6 West African 0.92
7 East Asian 0.52
8 North Amerindian + Arctic 0.41
9 Siberian 0.21
10 Southwest Asian 0.05

Unable to load population data.
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Eurogenes K11 Admixture Proportions
Population
South Asian 0.93%
Caucasus 8.54%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.29%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 15.36%
East Asian 0.29%
West African 0.88%
Volga-Ural 10.14%
South Baltic 17.63%
North Atlantic 45.93%

Eurogenes K11 Oracle
# Population Percent
1 North Atlantic 45.93
2 South Baltic 17.63
3 Mediterranean 15.36
4 Volga-Ural 10.14
5 Caucasus 8.54
6 South Asian 0.93
7 West African 0.88
8 North Amerindian + Arctic 0.29
9 East Asian 0.29
10 Southwest Asian 0.01

Unable to load population data.
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Eurogenes K12 Admixture Proportions
Population
South Asian 0.83%
Caucasus 8.14%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.25%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 14.16%
East Asian 0.30%
West African 0.85%
Volga-Ural 8.66%
South Baltic 14.08%
Western European 23.86%
North Sea 28.86%

Eurogenes K12 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North Sea 28.86
2 Western European 23.86
3 Mediterranean 14.16
4 South Baltic 14.08
5 Volga-Ural 8.66
6 Caucasus 8.14
7 West African 0.85
8 South Asian 0.83
9 East Asian 0.3
10 North Amerindian + Arctic 0.25
11 Southwest Asian 0.01

Unable to load population data.
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Eurogenes K12b Admixture Proportions
Population
Western European 35.57%
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 1.92%
South Asian 0.67%
West African 0.85%
Caucasus 8.49%
Finnish 11.73%
Mediterranean 15.62%
Southwest Asian 0.90%
North European 23.47%
East Asian 0.74%

Eurogenes K12b Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Western European 35.57
2 North European 23.47
3 Mediterranean 15.62
4 Finnish 11.73
5 Caucasus 8.49
6 West Central Asian 1.92
7 Southwest Asian 0.9
8 West African 0.85
9 East Asian 0.74
10 South Asian 0.67
11 East African 0.02

Unable to load population data.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes K13 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes blog. We appreciate him making this excellent tool available here.

Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions
Population
North European 53.09%
West African 0.65%
Mediterranean 28.02%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.28%
Southwest Asian 1.65%
Pygmy 0.53%
Caucasus 8.97%
East Siberian 0.91%
East Asian 0.56%
Amerindian 0.26%
West Central Asian 4.09%

Eurogenes K13 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North European 53.09
2 Mediterranean 28.02
3 Caucasus 8.97
4 West Central Asian 4.09
5 Southwest Asian 1.65
6 South Asian 1.28
7 East Siberian 0.91
8 West African 0.65
9 East Asian 0.56
10 Pygmy 0.53
11 Amerindian 0.26

Unable to load population data.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer Admixture Proportions
Population
Anatolian Farmer 11.13%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.04%
Middle Eastern Herder 0.60%
East Asian Farmer 0.59%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.38%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.97%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.61%
Mediterranean Farmer 30.76%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.23%
Bantu Farmer 0.68%

Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.04
2 Mediterranean Farmer 30.76
3 Anatolian Farmer 11.13
4 South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.97
5 Bantu Farmer 0.68
6 Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.61
7 Middle Eastern Herder 0.6
8 East Asian Farmer 0.59
9 South American Hunter Gatherer 0.38
10 Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.23
11 North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.02

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The free DNA Tribes SNP analysis for Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project Members is still good from now thru June 01st.

Free DNA Tribes SNP analysis (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/free-dna-tribes-snp-analysis-for.html)

I posted my results in another thread, click to view it: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=914834&postcount=1

Mortimer

05-28-2012, 04:11 PM

for me the oracle says (79) ERROR: Reference data not found.

Hussar

05-29-2012, 08:05 PM

Now i have more time and i can post better my K12 from Eurogenes.

As you know (probably), in this scheme the components mean :

West European (=w. Ireland)
North Sea (=s. Norway)
South Baltic (=Lithuania)
Mediterranean (=Sardinia)
Caucasus (=Georgia)
Volga-Ural (=W. Volga)
SouthW. Asian (=Beduin)
Siberian (=central siberia)

Etc.

<a href='http://postimage.org/image/7oh6ds15z/' target='_blank'><img src='http://s15.postimage.org/7oh6ds15z/Dan2.jpg' border='0' alt="Dan2" /></a>

~Elizabeth~

05-30-2012, 03:30 PM

for me the oracle says (79) ERROR: Reference data not found.

After getting the "unable to load population data" message I tried again sometime later on and instead of that I got "(79) ERROR: Reference data not found".
I tried again today and now it doesn't even have the oracle button in the bottom left corner anymore.

I think I read a comment in the ABF forum thread the other day where Polako (Davidski) said he wasn't going to do the oracle.
I don't know which thread he brought that up in, if it was his Eurogenes thread or one of the many other DNA threads he posts in.

evon

05-30-2012, 03:56 PM

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3554/83445287.png

From the last Plot map..http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/05/genetic-map-of-west-eurasia-with.html

poiuytrewq0987

05-30-2012, 04:03 PM

Me on the latest map.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/eurmk1.png

I am the red dot.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/eurmk12.png

Barreldriver

05-30-2012, 06:10 PM

Looks like I was finally ditched from the project. :p Couldn't find US83 on there despite there being other Americans (US3 and CEU).

Pallantides

05-30-2012, 06:38 PM

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3554/83445287.png

From the last Plot map..http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/05/genetic-map-of-west-eurasia-with.html

Cool, One part of me is close to Eryza1 and other is with SE1, NO10, SENO2 and WEUFI1

Pallantides

05-31-2012, 02:18 PM

Loxias on ABF did this for me:

NO2
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/no2.jpg
point 1
100% Swedish
4% Lithuanian
-4% Ukrainian

point 2
102% Swedish
4.1% Lithuanian
-6.1% Ukrainian|

Pallantides is an extreme Scandinavian. His dots are both beyond Sweden and Norway averages on the original document. He is less Ukrainian than the average Swede and a bit more Lithuanian. So we get odd results like that to explain his location.

noricum

06-01-2012, 08:40 AM

Here is me with my paternal line pointig north-east and my maternal line pointing south-west.

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/spaadmixed1.png

Polako

06-01-2012, 02:11 PM

Looks like I was finally ditched from the project. :p Couldn't find US83 on there despite there being other Americans (US3 and CEU).

You're on the new one, along with some of the other new worlders. But I haven't posted it on the blog.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/8137/spadual.png

The color one that Loxias did is awesome. The large version of that will be up on the blog this weekend sometime.

Barreldriver

06-01-2012, 03:17 PM

You're on the new one, along with some of the other new worlders. But I haven't posted it on the blog.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/8137/spadual.png

The color one that Loxias did is awesome. The large version of that will be up on the blog this weekend sometime.

Cool deal.

------------

Found my positions. :D

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/EurogenesSneakPeaknewmapmypositionscopy.jpg

poiuytrewq0987

06-01-2012, 07:04 PM

Me on the new plot. What is TSI btw?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/mk1-1.png

Barreldriver

06-02-2012, 07:21 AM

Over at ABF Loxias was kind enough to list the locations for my plots:

-Maghera, Northern Ireland
-Landeck, Austria

Damião de Góis

06-02-2012, 01:32 PM

Here are my results:

http://oi45.tinypic.com/11gn49e.jpg

PT2
-San Sebastian, Spain
-Echinos, Greece

Greece was a surprise :confused:

Me on the new plot. What is TSI btw?

Tuscany

Pallantides

06-02-2012, 08:33 PM

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/741/germaniccolour.png

Graham

06-02-2012, 08:56 PM

^^^ That setup is so much better. Can see UK19 peeking in there.

poiuytrewq0987

06-04-2012, 04:33 PM

Me on the new colored plot

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/mk12.png

xajapa

06-09-2012, 12:56 AM

A new SPA Plot map by Palako:
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/06/definitive-genetic-map-of-west-eurasia.html?m=1

Damião de Góis

06-09-2012, 12:59 AM

Me on the new colored plot

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/mk12.png

I'm a little to your right, along with Bulgarians and Romanians (PT2). Don't know what i'm doing there :confused:

Pallantides

06-09-2012, 02:32 AM

http://bga101.blogspot.no/2012/06/definitive-genetic-map-of-west-eurasia.html

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1491/spasingle.png

http://i.imgur.com/qa8TC.png

GeistFaust

06-09-2012, 03:53 AM

I am US261 on this project, and it seems I average out in an area near Orleans, France, which is quite interesting to say the least. I always expected with McDonald's program and with Eurogenes to plot on average further to the East and North, since I had the suspicion that almost 5/8th of my ancestry could be from the British Isles.

It seems that it might be much less than that, and that I may have more Southern German ancestry than I know, which makes logical sense.

I still have members of my grandfather's family not traced down, even as late as the middle of the 1800s, and they all came from very German influenced areas of Pennsylvania. A lot of whom came from Baden-Wuerttemberg, so I could have more Southern German ancestry than I expected.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=1.8643683509%0947.3290064935&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=638&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1491/spasingle.png

poiuytrewq0987

06-09-2012, 04:17 AM

I'm a little to your right, along with Bulgarians and Romanians (PT2). Don't know what i'm doing there :confused:

Must be the Iberian/Celtic (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=920380&postcount=2) connection... ? :P:D

Barreldriver

06-09-2012, 11:13 AM

A new SPA Plot map by Palako:
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/06/definitive-genetic-map-of-west-eurasia.html?m=1

Cool, I'm right next to UK42. Seem to be at that merging point between the Kentish and French, probably due to my 1/4th Continental ancestry.

Damião de Góis

06-09-2012, 12:49 PM

my SPA_single.loc location:

http://oi45.tinypic.com/34q67hs.jpg

Barreldriver

06-09-2012, 06:03 PM

Found my location:

US83

50.9565240782
1.9869613366

Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France.

Makes sense I'd reckon, that's far enough North in France to account for my 3/4th British Islander ancestry, and also accounts for my 1/4th Continental Euro ancestry (most of which is German) pulling me out of the UK/setting me apart from full blooded British Islanders.

Pallantides

06-09-2012, 08:25 PM

So were do I get this 'SPA_single.loc' ?

Damião de Góis

06-09-2012, 08:29 PM

So were do I get this 'SPA_single.loc' ?

it's the second link

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=28618&page=330

noricum

06-09-2012, 08:54 PM

My Position in Magdegurg/Germany according to Polako's SPA_single.loc

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/genetic_haimothli.png

Supreme American

06-09-2012, 08:58 PM

http://bga101.blogspot.com/
Some of you might be interested in this, if you have tested yourself with 23andMe send your raw data to Polako if you wish to be included in the project.:)

http://bga101.blogspot.com/

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9625/intraeuro.png
I'm NO2(next to two Swedes)

Join Eurogenes

Yes, I'm accepting new members. Participation is free, but only open to people with all four grandparents from a single ethnic group.

Leaves me out.

Pallantides

06-09-2012, 09:03 PM

I'm in Iveland, Aust-Agder
http://i.imgur.com/cFcT1.jpg

Pallantides

06-09-2012, 09:44 PM

Since I'm sick and have nothing better to do with my time right now.

NO2 - Iveland in Aust-Agder, Norway
http://i.imgur.com/cFcT1.jpg

NO4 - North Sea
http://i.imgur.com/8wXxs.jpg

NO5 - Karby, Denmark
http://i.imgur.com/Gjrrm.jpg

NO6 - Vesterhavet
http://i.imgur.com/5WSau.jpg

NO7 - Læsø, Denmark
http://i.imgur.com/lIPs8.jpg

NO8 - Skagerak
http://i.imgur.com/OVBfF.jpg

NO9 - North Sea
http://i.imgur.com/mTAvB.jpg

NO10 - Skagerak
http://i.imgur.com/po5P8.jpg

NO11 - Vestrehavet
http://i.imgur.com/wndfT.jpg

NO12 - Ørnhøj, Denmark
http://i.imgur.com/J98iG.jpg

NO13 - North Sea/Skagerak
http://i.imgur.com/Ct5ne.jpg

NO14 - Skagerak
http://i.imgur.com/v69I6.jpg

It appears I'm the only Norwegian who is inside Norway, everyone else appear to be in Denmark or swimming in the ocean.:D

poiuytrewq0987

06-09-2012, 10:35 PM

I need to start embracing my true Hungarian roots. Long live Greater Magyaria and death to Treaty of Trianon!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/mgayr.png

Viljuska

06-10-2012, 08:12 AM

I need to start embracing my true Hungarian roots. Long live Greater Magyaria and death to Treaty of Trianon!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/mgayr.png
There are 3 Serbs in the plot.
One is in Hungary also but closer to border of Croatia (than you), one in Slovakia and one in Austria. So would this mean that those 3 are more north genetically? Compared to which other Serbs?

noricum

06-10-2012, 01:11 PM

Here is a map of Germans (blue) and Austrians (orange) I've made.

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/German_Austrian_Cluster.png

@Corvus albus: It would be nice if there was another orange plot on the map :wink

poiuytrewq0987

06-10-2012, 01:49 PM

Made a little map for interested Balkanoids;

Red placemark: Me
Blue placemark: Croatian samples
Green placemark: Bulgarian samples
Purple placemark: Serbian samples
Yellow placemark: Romanian samples
Teal placemark: Hungarian samples
Blue pin: Greek samples

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/map1.png

~Elizabeth~

06-12-2012, 04:59 AM

My "blended" location is in Recklinghausen, Germany.
My ancestry is English, Welsh, Scottish, Dutch, Slovak, French, and German.

To see large version, click on thumbnail image below:
http://s19.postimage.org/3rze8prj3/US87_google_maps_Recklinghausen_Germany.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/3rze8prj3/)

Barreldriver

06-14-2012, 03:19 PM

On the update: http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/06/genetics-vs-geography-in-west-eurasia.html

My new location is in Thurrock, Essex, England. :D Much much better.

~Elizabeth~

06-15-2012, 06:15 AM

My new spasingle location is Hemmingen, Germany.

Damião de Góis

06-15-2012, 08:57 PM

My new location is the most accurate one ever given where my family is from:

http://oi46.tinypic.com/34tbfvm.jpg

Graham

06-16-2012, 11:22 PM

Can anyone show my location for UK19 please, haven't kept up to date. Just came back from holiday. :)

Viljuska

06-16-2012, 11:41 PM

Can anyone show my location for UK19 please, haven't kept up to date. Just came back from holiday. :)
Lincolnshire, Riby Rd (a place called Grimsby not far away)

Damião de Góis

06-16-2012, 11:44 PM

Can anyone show my location for UK19 please, haven't kept up to date. Just came back from holiday. :)

Ignore my map, it was a mistake. I posted from a file which had the coordinates based on the info given by the project members of Eurogenes. That's why mine was 100% accurate...

poiuytrewq0987

06-17-2012, 07:35 AM

The new location came out weird. My coordinates is all messed up I had to fix it a bit but apparently I am from somewhere in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea? Accurate? :lol: Maybe I am doing this wrong?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/coord.png

Viljuska

06-17-2012, 08:00 AM

poiuytrewq0987

06-17-2012, 08:03 AM

You are still in Hungary ;)

Try http://maps.google.se/

Search for this:

19.5907290086E 47.1553861056N

Where did you get the coordinates from? They are different from what is on the new loc list.

MK1 -0.177533504 -0.034927641

Viljuska

06-17-2012, 08:16 AM

Where did you get the coordinates from? They are different from what is on the new loc list.
From Barreldrivers link (the one without individuals from Pakistan and North India). Is there a more recent?

poiuytrewq0987

06-17-2012, 08:22 AM

From Barreldrivers link (the one without individuals from Pakistan and North India). Is there a more recent?

Yes, Polako just released a new one you can dl it here https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9o3EYTdM8lQMmdac3Q0bHdJMDA

Viljuska

06-17-2012, 08:32 AM

Yes, Polako just released a new one you can dl it here https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9o3EYTdM8lQMmdac3Q0bHdJMDADo you have the link to the post at Eurogenes?
Barreldrivers is from Tuesday, June 12, 2012

poiuytrewq0987

06-17-2012, 08:39 AM

Do you have the link to the post at Eurogenes?
Barreldrivers is from Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Hmm, Barreldriver links to the same blog post. I got the loc list from the bottom of the blog post. Apparently it is a loc list for some kind of dual ancestry analysis. Not quite sure what is it but it would explain the abnormalities I saw. :thumbs up

And yes, I also ran a dual ancestry analysis with the same samples as on the first plot. However, I didn't make use of geographic coordinates in this case, largely because the results look a bit too tight for most samples when I do this, and thus aren't as much fun. You can view that plot here. The data sheet can be downloaded here.

Barreldriver

06-17-2012, 11:29 AM

Hmm, Barreldriver links to the same blog post. I got the loc list from the bottom of the blog post. Apparently it is a loc list for some kind of dual ancestry analysis. Not quite sure what is it but it would explain the abnormalities I saw. :thumbs up

The newer one from June 12 is a single plot instead of dual though. For the data sheet relevant to both single plots from June (one with South Central Asians and one without click both "here" links in the paragraph between the pictures of the plots), the link at the very bottom of the post is for a dual plot but did not do the geographic coordinates I think .

Barreldriver

06-17-2012, 11:34 AM

Forgot to add, seems the run without the South Central Asians gives a more accurate geographic location for many of the project members, especially for my neighbor and possible cousin UK42 and myself. The one without SC Asians has me in Essex, England with UK42 not far away, the one with SC Asians has both UK42 and I within a very close range in the Netherlands. :p

The Exiled King

06-25-2012, 02:36 PM

Pagani_K8_results:

41.67% European
35.28% Middle Eastern
21.26% West Asian
0.9% West African
0.68% South Asian
0.18% North Eurasian
0% Northeast African
0% East Asian

Pallantides

06-25-2012, 03:10 PM

~Elizabeth~

06-26-2012, 02:35 AM

Pagani_K8_results: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDd3ejhiY2NUbFJTUVJDYUptajNpV mc#gid=0)

European 61.54%
Middle Eastern 19.47%
West Asian 15.23%
West African 00.90%
South Asian 01.29%
Northeast African 00.55%
North Eurasian 00.06%
East Asian 00.93%

GeistFaust

06-26-2012, 03:40 AM

Pagani_K8 results:

European: 56.6%
Middle-Eastern: 29.61%
West-Asian: 12.52%
West African: .47%
South Asian: .83%
Northeastern African: 0%
North Eurasian: 0%
East-Asian: 0%

Pallantides

06-26-2012, 06:51 AM

~Elizabeth~

06-26-2012, 08:15 AM

'European' percentages in Scandinavian and Finnish participants from the Pagani_K8_results (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDd3ejhiY2NUbFJTUVJDYUptajNpV mc#gid=0)

fi13 - 75.21%
fi7 - 74.92%
fi3 - 74.34%
fi18 - 74.27%
fi10 - 73.91%
fi15 - 73.66%
fi8 - 73.52%
no2 - 73.25%
fi5 - 73%
fi9 - 72.9%
fi12 - 72.67%
se9 - 72.64%
se32 - 72.63%
fi17 - 72.49%
se33 - 72.41%
fi14 - 72.38%
se5 - 72.25%
fi11 - 71.77%
fse1 - 71.65%
se28 - 71.61%
se4 - 71.31%
se12 - 70.92%
se21 - 70.83%
fi4 - 70.75%
se23 - 70.74%
se14 - 70.7%
se10 - 70.7%
no14 - 70.65%
no10 - 70.61%
no13 - 70.55%
se19 - 70.47%
seno2 - 70.41%
se8 - 70.3%
fse2 - 70.3%
no6 - 69.93%
no8 - 69.93%
no5 - 69.88%
no11 - 69.65%
fi6 - 69.51%
no9 - 69.27%
se20 - 69.14%
se17 - 69.05%
se29 - 69.01%
no4 - 68.93%
se27 - 68.76%
se22 - 68.6%
no7 - 68.58%
se30 - 68.54%
se16 - 68.4%
se2 - 68.36%
se11 - 68.35%
se31 - 68.23%
se6 - 68.2%
se13 - 68.04%
se26 - 68.01%
se1 - 67.95%
se15 - 67.52%
se7 - 67.51%
no12 - 67.33%
dk2 - 67.08%
dk5 - 67.02%
dk3 - 66.53%
is1 - 65.92%
dk4 - 64.08%
seno1 - 63.7%

For someone with no Scandinavian ancestry at all, I'm pretty close to the last on the list. He/she is 63.7% and I am 61.54%.

I don't understand why there aren't more people posting their DNA results. For a European forum with I guess hundreds or thousands of members, there are less than a dozen people, or less than half a dozen, posting DNA results. That is baffling.
There should be at least a hundred people here.
But then again there aren't that many people in the Eurogenes Project.

I don't know where my approx 1% each of East Asian, South Asian, and Africa is coming from.

European 61.54%
Middle Eastern 19.47%
West Asian 15.23%
West African 00.90%
South Asian 01.29%
Northeast African 00.55%
North Eurasian 00.06%
East Asian 00.93%

Humanophage

06-26-2012, 08:59 AM

Pagani K=8
European 69.06%
Middle Eastern 5.79%
West Asian 19.44%
West African 0.00%
South Asian 1.57%
Northeast African 1.07%
North Eurasian 3.01%
East Asian 0.07%

The new location came out weird. My coordinates is all messed up I had to fix it a bit but apparently I am from somewhere in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea? Accurate? :lol: Maybe I am doing this wrong?

It doesn't really work that straightforwardly for non-Western Europe. Poles end up in Sweden, Hungarians in Poland, Lithuanians in Finland, Ukrainians in Latvia, etc. Well, just look at the original plot and superimpose it over the map of Europe. For instance, RU31 below should be closer to Chuvashia, but instead he's to the Northwest of Moscow. Pretty much all Russians are either Finnish or very NW Russian.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Geo1.gif
(I'm marked in red, RU44)

I should note that I ended up on a rather romantic lonesome island. The closest available images are of an Ingrian flag and a grave with the following inscription:

Passer-by, stop!

Think.
Bow to the memory of the ancestors!

Here stood the mill that belonged to Julle Panteley.

He was a shipboy when he was 13. Then a sailor. Then a sea captain of Russian, French, English sailing ships.

He was a witch-doctor, a healer, and a seer.

Executed in 1943 by a German firing squad for refusing to relocate to Finland. He was 91 year old.

From his descendants, 2005

I don't understand why there aren't more people posting their DNA results. For a European forum with I guess hundreds or thousands of members, there are less than a dozen people, or less than half a dozen, posting DNA results. That is baffling.
There should be at least a hundred people here.
But then again there aren't that many people in the Eurogenes Project.

I don't know where my approx 1% each of East Asian, South Asian, and Africa is coming from.
There used to be more, but one already more or less understands one's genetic make-up after a few runs.

The East Asian and all that is just noise. Northeast African, specifically, seems to increase if your Middle Eastern score is low, since the original Mid East probably includes a slight component identified otherwise as NE African. Hence the noise for Finns, North Russians and other Europeans with low Mid East; whereas the more Mediterranean populations like the Irish or the Italians have 0.

You should see other runs to verify such small admixtures. If they show up consistently, they may be worth attention.

GeistFaust

06-26-2012, 09:01 AM

I don't know where my approx 1% each of East Asian, South Asian, and Africa is coming from.[/QUOTE]

That is all noise most likely or just some very old remnants so I would not take them seriously, and Polako told me this as well for my minor South Asian and West-African.

Pallantides

06-26-2012, 09:11 AM

A few Finns get 1% West African. Also the Gotland Hunter Gatherers had some SSA admixture according Dodecad, so I think it's something ancient.

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 05:52 AM

The Eurogenes creator mentioned this on another forum (under a nickname)

BTW, to try and reduce the noise, I cut back the HapMap3 African samples in my dataset, using PLINK PI-HAT. The new K8 results are avaibale at the same blog link.

Analyzing Northeast African samples from Pagani et al. 2012 (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/analyzing-northeast-african-samples.html)

I'll move up to K9 with this dataset this weekend.

So here are my results in the new version, basically the same as the first one (within 1%) .

Pagani K8 redone June 27 2012
North Eurasian 0.000651
West African 0.011003
East Asian 0.009302
South Asian 0.013059
Northeast African 0.003557
European 0.612094
West Asian 0.152378
Middle Eastern 0.197956

Pagani K8, redo, highest to lowest:
European 61.20%
Middle Eastern 19.79%
West Asian 15.23%
South Asian 01.30%
West African 01.10%
East Asian 00.93%
Northeast African 00.35%
North Eurasian 00.06%

Not much of a difference for me compared to the first run from the other day:

European 61.54%
Middle Eastern 19.47%
West Asian 15.23%
West African 00.90%
South Asian 01.29%
Northeast African 00.55%
North Eurasian 00.06%
East Asian 00.93%

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 05:55 AM

It seems you are consistently scoring in the 1% range for West-African Elizabeth, and was this the case with your McDonald's tests at all?

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 05:57 AM

A few Finns get 1% West African. Also the Gotland Hunter Gatherers had some SSA admixture according Dodecad, so I think it's something ancient.

That must have been quite disheartening for those noble Nordic peoples to hear. :p

I think that its probably ancient, and anything under 1% is generally supposed to be treated as noise.

I have also heard of some Finns scoring higher ranges of Northeastern African and even some Pygmy in certain cases.

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 05:57 AM

It seems you are consistently scoring in the 1% range for West-African Elizabeth, and was this the case with your McDonald's tests at all?

McDonald gave me 0.5% African and 0.25% Native American, and he said I was 92% Orkney (Orcadian) and the rest from somewhere -anywhere- in the Middle East.

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:02 AM

Interesting, and do you know of any Amerindian or SSA ancestry in your background at all?

The .5% range on McDonald's depending on how strong that segment has remained over a certain range of time could mean there is some ancestry of that from anytime in the early 1600s to early 1700s.

It could just be archaic admixture as well, and did he say that both of them were real whatsoever?

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:03 AM

That is all noise most likely or just some very old remnants so I would not take them seriously, and Polako told me this as well for my minor South Asian and West-African.

When did he tell you that? For this Pagani run? He posted in the other forum (a couple weeks ago?) that he doesn't want to be emailed/pmed and he wants anyone with questions to ask them in the thread on that forum, and he might answer there.

For my African, about a month or two ago via pm in the other forum, he said he I probably had an African-American ancestor.
I asked what he thought of my South Asian and Oceanian (shows up in tiny amounts in the DNA Tribes SNP analysis and Dienekes/McDonald) but he didn't comment.

So it's noise for you and real for me. I have no known ancestry from there.

Pagani_K8 results:

European: 56.6%
Middle-Eastern: 29.61%
West-Asian: 12.52%
West African: .47%
South Asian: .83%
Northeastern African: 0%
North Eurasian: 0%
East-Asian: 0%

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:06 AM

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:11 AM

When did he tell you that? For this Pagani run? He posted in the other forum (a couple weeks ago?) that he doesn't want to be emailed/pmed and he wants anyone with questions to ask them in the thread on that forum, and he might answer there.

For my African, about a month or two ago via pm in the other forum, he said he I probably had an African-American ancestor.
I asked what he thought of my South Asian and Oceanian (shows up in tiny amounts in the DNA Tribes SNP analysis and Dienekes/McDonald) but he didn't comment

Okay, well on McDonald's I score nothing, except Middle-Eastern pertaining to non-European ancestry. I asked him about 3.1% West-African I scored on the 19th chromosome, and he said it was probably real, but was probably rather old, so he was guaranteed it had not entered my bloodlines in the last 500 years.

You can actually make these determinations due to the size, and he also said in some instances where it is located on the chromosome, although its a bit more complex than that.

I would think the South Asian/Oceanic is more archaic in you case, unless you have some Gypsy ancestry somewhere back in the woodpile. It depends on how strong it is, because if its too small its not really worrying about.

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:12 AM

I PMed him this, and he is usually very quick to answer my replied in a long and detailed manner on PM.

He said for me to send him PMs when I needed a question answered, because he is there to help me out with interpreting the data and information.

I suppose he makes an exception for me, and I am on good terms with him generally speaking, so he told me anything under 1% generally is noise range.

So then you're one of the lucky ones then.
He has a good rapport with a handful of people on the other forum, responds quickly and in-depth. He sporadically responds to me, if at all, and it's brief. Sometimes other forum members will chime in to try to help me.

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:20 AM

So then you're one of the lucky ones then.
He has a good rapport with a handful of people on the other forum, responds quickly and in-depth. He sporadically responds to me, if at all, and it's brief. Sometimes other forum members will chime in to try to help me.

If you need any help I can pitch in because I have been tutored by someone who has taken many classes in bioinformatics, but I assuredly don't know all the twists and turns. Consistency of information though is critical in determining whether a certain segment is real, and not just this, but also the percentage at which this consistency is showing itself.

In your case it appears to show up quite consistently, so that is why I am noting it, and it seems to me that it is more common than I thought that individuals with some colonial ancestry show up with Amerindian and SSA. I am actually going to be communicating with an individual here soon to see if

I can genealogically locate his distant colonial SSA element, which was picked up by both 23andme and McDonalds. I wish we had more people on here who were rather fluent and well versed in the language of bioinformatics, so when people like Polako and Dienekes did not respond they could get an adequate answer from them.

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:20 AM

Okay, well on McDonald's I score nothing, except Middle-Eastern pertaining to non-European ancestry. I asked him about 3.1% West-African I scored on the 19th chromosome, and he said it was probably real, but was probably rather old, so he was guaranteed it had not entered my bloodlines in the last 500 years.

You can actually make these determinations due to the size, and he also said in some instances where it is located on the chromosome, although its a bit more complex than that.

I would think the South Asian/Oceanic is more archaic in you case, unless you have some Gypsy ancestry somewhere back in the woodpile. It depends on how strong it is, because if its too small its not really worrying about.

I have no known South Asian/Oceanian/Gypsy either.

My strongest African bit is on the centromere of my 3rd chromosome. 23and also gave me some on chr 5, while McDonald has 3, 4, and 5, totaling 0.5%. 23andme gave me Asian on 4 & 8, while at McDonald I have no Asian at all but Native American on chr 6 (nothing on 4 & 8) .

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:28 AM

If you need any help I can pitch in because I have been tutored by someone who has taken many classes in bioinformatics, but I assuredly don't know all the twists and turns. Consistency of information though is critical in determining whether a certain segment is real, and not just this, but also the percentage at which this consistency is showing itself.

In your case it appears to show up quite consistently, so that is why I am noting it, and it seems to me that it is more common than I thought that individuals with some colonial ancestry show up with Amerindian and SSA. I am actually going to be communicating with an individual here soon to see if

I can genealogically locate his distant colonial SSA element, which was picked up by both 23andme and McDonalds. I wish we had more people on here who were rather fluent and well versed in the language of bioinformatics, so when people like Polako and Dienekes did not respond they could get an adequate answer from them.

He did say that since it was consistently showing up that it's real. Or was it you that said that?
Surprisingly the Finns get African too, first it was West African but now they have Northeast African. Jaska on the other forum posted it may be a labeling error, something old and not African. That's with data used in Eurogenes runs.

DNA Tribes SNP gave me Central African (peaks in Khoisan and pygmies) but a man from Korea posted his results and he also has Central Africa, and so does one of Evon's relatives (from Norway). But theirs was under 1% while mine was over 1% (less than 2%).

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:29 AM

I have no known South Asian/Oceanian/Gypsy either.

My strongest African bit is on the centromere of my 3rd chromosome. 23and also gave me some on chr 5, while McDonald has 3, 4, and 5, totaling 0.5%. 23andme gave me Asian on 4 & 8, while at McDonald I have no Asian at all but Native American on chr 6 (nothing on 4 & 8) .

Okay, well if you scored African and Amerindian with 23andme then this definitely seems to show that you actually have such ancestry, which is further validated that they consistently show up on the same chromosomes. The way they calculate it and put it into percentages is a bit different, but generally speaking McDonald's is probably picking up on something that could be found from the time period of the early 17th to early 18th century.

Generally speaking McDonald's probably picks up on things 100% for the first 5-6 generations, and then after that the chances of picking up information slowly but exponentially inclines. This means that if something entered your bloodlines in the early 17th to early 18th century McDonald ought to pick it up, but won't necessarily do so all the time.

I have seen individuals with one Mulatto ancestor back in the late 1600s, who had a very small element show up on McDonalds. There were others of this same family who picked up stronger elements, but because that Mulatto family had intermarried in twice with the same line, which made it more likely that the segment would show itself.

I have known someone who had one Amerindian ancestor back in the early 1600s, who scored .5% on McDonald's test. Also 23andme tends to calculate Amerindian as Asian most of the time, and in McDonald's system it comes up as Amerindian.

I think that your Amerindian is so minor that it is randomly showing itself up different segments in different genetic programs, but I would trust McDonalds analysis over 23andme. 23andme tends to underplay the Amerindian and SSA element at times, and concerning your South Asian/Oceanic element I would say that its quite old, but then again I would need to know the exact percentage you have of it.

P.S. Anything under 1% is either noise or its extremely old material, and generally speaking sometimes anything below 3% could be considered too small to determine or fix appropriately within the context of your ancestry.

Pallantides

06-27-2012, 06:31 AM

Pagani_K8_results: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDd3ejhiY2NUbFJTUVJDYUptajNpV mc#gid=0)

European 73.25%
West Asian 12.96%
Middle Eastern 11.27%
North Eurasian 1.33%
East Asian 0.87%
Northeast African 0.3%
West African 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%

New results:

European 72.92%
West Asian 13.01%
Middle Eastern 11.52%
North Eurasian 1.3%
East Asian 0.87%
Northeast African 0.25%
West African 0.05%
South Asian 0%

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:34 AM

He did say that since it was consistently showing up that it's real. Or was it you that said that?
Surprisingly the Finns get African too, first it was West African but now they have Northeast African. Jaska on the other forum posted it may be a labeling error, something old and not African. That's with data used in Eurogenes runs.

DNA Tribes SNP gave me Central African (peaks in Khoisan and pygmies) but a man from Korea posted his results and he also has Central Africa, and so does one of Evon's relatives (from Norway).

Yeah it certainly could be an error, and just because you score West-African alleles with Polako and Dienekes does not necessarily mean its real. That is something for them to determine to be honest, and generally speaking you could have those alleles and it just means those alleles peak in West-African populations, but are not mutually exclusive to them.

No, I said that if it is showing up consistently than most likely its real, but whether its more recent or not is something I can't determine, although I can give you possibilities.

Well Pygmies tend to be quite separated from Khoisan, although we are speaking about genetic distance, so relatively speaking they are closer to each other where you will see it peak in both. If McDonald's picked something up, and on the exact chromosomes the 23andme system did I would say its definitely real, and could be more recent.

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:40 AM

It varies and is in small amounts (under or around 1%).
With Dienekes by segment I had a couple of NAN_Melanesian, and other Asian segments. I posted all that stuff on dna-forum.org before the forum disappeared.

To be fair, I have a crush on Polako and I had started non-dna conversations via pm, as well as dna conversations, and I think that is why he announced he doesn't want pms anymore. :embarrassed

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:42 AM

New Results:

North Eurasian: 0%
West African: .49%
East Asian: 0%
South Asian: .79%
Northeastern African: 0%
European: 56.22%
West Asian: 12.52%
Middle-Eastern: 29.97%

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:42 AM

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:46 AM

New Results:

North Eurasian: 0%
West African: .49%
East Asian: 0%
South Asian: .79%
European: 56.22%
West Asian: 12.52%
Middle-Eastern: 29.97%

I think you're missing one of the eight.

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:50 AM

I would not worry about the South Asian components whatsoever, and regard that as Ancient material or just plain noise.

I also had Ethiopian Jews/ Somali segments, half African and half Middle Eastern.

Found some of my Dienekes by seg

World9 BYSEG (by segment)
Averages for each component:
2.41% Amerindian
1.43 East_Asian
1.61% African
60.74 Atlantic_Baltic
2.31% Australasian
1.58% Siberian
13.79% Caucasus_Gedrosia
13.56% Southern (Arabia)
2.54% South_Asian (India)

BySeg World9
My top segment match for each of the nine categories:
Amerindian 58.49%, line 1161, chr 6, "PEL30" (30 samples from Peru (Lima) )
East_Asian 38.06%, line 1558, chr 8, "Dai"
African 52.26%, line 964, chr 5, "Somali_D"
Atlantic_Baltic 100.00%, many lines, chr 2,4,5,10,11,13,16,17, "Swedish_D"
Australasian 31.86%, line 1557, chr 8, "NAN_Melanesian"
Siberian 30.04%, line 228, chr 1, "Chuvashs"
Caucasus_Gedrosia 75.88%, line 1407, chr 7, "Kalash"
Southern (peaks in Arabia) 70.96%, line 1735, chr 9, "Mozabite"
South_Asian 42.91%, line 101, chr 1, "MAYLAYAN" [sic] (Malaysia)

~Elizabeth~

06-27-2012, 06:56 AM

New Results:

North Eurasian: 0%
West African: .49%
East Asian: 0%
South Asian: .79%
Northeastern African: 0%
European: 56.22%
West Asian: 12.52%
Middle-Eastern: 29.97%

You have a lot of Middle Eastern, about 30%. Mine is 19%.
Did Polako tell you where that was coming from? Do you know of any ancestry from there?

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 06:58 AM

[QUOTE=~Elizabeth~;982214]I also had Ethiopian Jews/ Somali segments, half African and half Middle Eastern.

Okay, well the first sequence of information you gave me seems to be too small to make anything of, which will be the case if you have only a very small and distant ancestral connection and affinity to that group.

The segment sections though are more interesting though, and I interpret that those percentages represent a segment on those chromosomes. If so the African seems to match where you found it on McDonald's, and the Amerindian seems to be as well.

I would say it seems fairly real to me, because of the percentage and because it consistently aligns with McDonald's analysis. I personally think McDonald's system is one of the most accurate out there, although Dienekes and Polako are very good for verifying and reiterating some of McDonald's analysis results.

GeistFaust

06-27-2012, 07:01 AM

You have a lot of Middle Eastern, about 30%. Mine is 19%.
Did Polako tell you where that was coming from? Do you know of any ancestry from there?

It has to do with my 1/8th Italian ancestry, and I score substantially lower European relative to other Americans.

In McDonald's test I scored 5.4% Middle-Eastern, which is probably consistent for someone of my own ancestry, plus I have a lot of Southern German ancestry, which sometimes scored Middle-Eastern.

I think I score much higher Middle-Eastern and lower European than other Americans due to the fact other Americans in the test probably are more Anglo and Northwestern than me with my Southern Italian/South German ancestry.

~Elizabeth~

06-28-2012, 09:06 AM

It has to do with my 1/8th Italian ancestry, and I score substantially lower European relative to other Americans.

That makes sense. I didn't know you were part Italian.
Since I'm 19% and you're 29% you have 10% more ME than me. I have no Italian. Your 1/8 Italian (Southern Italian?) would be 12.5% from a North/Northwest European. So a 10% difference/increase makes sense. It's in the ballpark.

My results vary a lot from test to test and run to run.

I found my Eurogenes results from last year:

Eurogenes

NEU6g June 09, 2011
US87
North + Central European 62% 0.622589
North + East Eurasian 00% 0.001495
South + West European 32% 0.323177
North Atlantic 00% 0.00001
Sub-Saharan 00% 0.00001
Baltic 05% 0.052718

EU7a June 15, 2011
US87
00% Red (Sub-Saharan African) 0.00001
77% Yellow (North Sea) 0.772463
00% Green (North + East Eurasian) 0.000268
00% Aqua Green (North Atlantic) 0.00001
00% Blue (North-Central European) 0.00001
05% Dark Blue (Eastern European) 0.050016
17% Pink (Southern European) 0.177224

The North Atlantic represents Ireland/Western British Isles. I had zero of that. Odd since the largest parcel of my ancestry is from the British Isles. But I had a very high North Sea (77%). North Sea was Eastern British Isles (Scotland) and Norway and Holland etc. This makes sense for me. My 23andme matches with Scottish ancestry are mainly from the Aberdeen/Dundee/Edinburgh area. And I also have ancestry from North Holland.

Sicilianu101

07-04-2012, 10:47 PM

Pagani k8 (IT40)

Middle Eastern 46.27%
West Asian 27.96%
European 22.39%
Northeast African 2%
West African 1.32%
East Asian .06%
North Eurasian 0%
South Asian 0%

ZephyrousMandaru

07-05-2012, 01:05 AM

Pagani k8 (IT40)

Middle Eastern 46.27%
West Asian 27.96%
European 22.39%
Northeast African 2%
West African 1.32%
East Asian .06%
North Eurasian 0%
South Asian 0%

How were you able to enumerate your Admixture Proportions? I want to do this myself, but don't know how to. By the way, nice results. You have tremendous Middle Eastern admixture. And a considerable amount of West Asian as well.

poiuytrewq0987

07-05-2012, 01:09 AM

Pagani k8 (IT40)

Middle Eastern 46.27%
West Asian 27.96%
European 22.39%
Northeast African 2%
West African 1.32%
East Asian .06%
North Eurasian 0%
South Asian 0%

You're 28% Phoenician! :clap:

Sicilianu101

07-11-2012, 10:54 PM

How were you able to enumerate your Admixture Proportions? I want to do this myself, but don't know how to. By the way, nice results. You have tremendous Middle Eastern admixture. And a considerable amount of West Asian as well.

:) This is the spreadsheet where the data is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdHI4Q1ZvTFZlelVkQVlTdksyRzdxd Hc#gid=0

ZephyrousMandaru

07-12-2012, 03:12 AM

Pagani_Test_K8_Results (ASY13)

North_Eurasian 0.01%
West_African 0.12%
East_Asian 0.19%
South_Asian 1.50%
Northeast_African 1.70%
European 3.9%
West_Asian 53.15%
Middle_Eastern 40.27%

zlakopistou

07-12-2012, 01:06 PM

You have tremendous Middle Eastern admixture. And a considerable amount of West Asian as well.

There is no mediterranean cluster at K=8, so the middle eastern is high. When a mediterranean cluster appear, usually centered on western mediterranean people, most of the middle eatern is "eaten" by the med cluster and part of the european cluster too.

You're 28% Phoenician! :clap:

I know you're joking but srsly, Phoenicians weren't 100% West Asian/Caucasus.

ZephyrousMandaru

07-12-2012, 04:51 PM

There is no mediterranean cluster at K=8, so the middle eastern is high. When a mediterranean cluster appear, usually centered on western mediterranean people, most of the middle eatern is "eaten" by the med cluster and part of the european cluster too.

I know you're joking but srsly, Phoenicians weren't 100% West Asian/Caucasus.

Yeah, I figured that the Middle Eastern component is conjoining "Mediterranean" and "Southwest Asian" into one.

Sicilianu101

07-12-2012, 07:33 PM

Yeah, I figured that the Middle Eastern component is conjoining "Mediterranean" and "Southwest Asian" into one.

I usually get a significant amount of Southwest Asian anyway. :) lol

ZephyrousMandaru

07-13-2012, 03:34 AM

I usually get a significant amount of Southwest Asian anyway. :) lol

My Southwest Asian is 19% to 23% depending on the calculator used.

Pallantides

07-26-2012, 11:19 PM

http://bga101.blogspot.no/2012/07/looking-beyond-finnish-genetic.html

My chrom 1:

http://i.imgur.com/bdLzZ.png

xajapa

07-26-2012, 11:25 PM

http://bga101.blogspot.no/2012/07/looking-beyond-finnish-genetic.html

My chrom 1:

http://i.imgur.com/bdLzZ.png

How do you tell if you are included?

The Exiled King

07-27-2012, 04:07 AM

How do you tell if you are included?
If you were in the Pagani_8 run you should be included in this also. One way to check for sure is to go here http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/07/pinpointing-loci-specific-genomic.html and click on "Chromosome 1" which is a link that will take you to the actual files then go to the very bottom and click on samples.txt and see if you are included in the list.

The Exiled King

07-27-2012, 04:20 AM

Eurogenes SupportMix results:
This is only Chromosome 1.
http://s19.postimage.org/3kc4wrc5f/Eurogenes2.png

Basically it's Irish, Ukrainian, Irish, Iranian, East_English, Vologda_Russian, East_English, Swedish, Bulgarian_Romanian, Lithuanian, Saudi_Arabian, Iranian, Spanish, Iranian, Spanish, Tuscan, Spanish, Swedish, Bulgarian_Romanian, Tuscan, Vologda_Russian, Saudi_Arabian, East_English, Bulgarian_Romanian, Ukrainian, Abkhasian, ... too annoying to match and locate the rest (the 5 remaining).

xajapa

07-27-2012, 09:17 PM

If you were in the Pagani_8 run you should be included in this also. One way to check for sure is to go here http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/07/pinpointing-loci-specific-genomic.html and click on "Chromosome 1" which is a link that will take you to the actual files then go to the very bottom and click on samples.txt and see if you are included in the list.

Thanks. So, I found myself on the list. What is the next step?

The Exiled King

07-27-2012, 11:53 PM

Thanks. So, I found myself on the list. What is the next step?

Now is the annoying part. You are either in the EU "European" or WA "West Asian group. You have to click on each file entitled 'outSupportMix.png' to find where he has you listed for the chromosome #1 painting. You have to look through each 'outSupportMix.png' image file to try to locate where your listed at which is the annoying part.

Damião de Góis

07-28-2012, 10:42 AM

Here's my chromossome 1, thanks to plastictuga:

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rcbx5i.jpg

xajapa

07-28-2012, 01:03 PM

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh579/muso1963/chromosome1.jpg

Distinguishing between some of the color schemes, in order to ascertain the actual ethnicity, is challenging. I believe these two lines represent my parents. The top would be my mother (plenty of East English, which possibly could substitute for German as well, since there is no German category). the bottom is my father, with a large Ukrainian segment.

Graham

07-28-2012, 01:33 PM

Can't distinguish between the colours. Would be good if a could lol.

Pallantides

07-28-2012, 01:38 PM

Can't distinguish between the colours. Would be good if a could lol.

So isn't yours just huge chunks of 'Irish' and 'East English' segments... shouldn't be so hard:D;)

Graham

07-28-2012, 01:46 PM

So isn't yours just huge chunks of 'Irish' and 'East English' segments... shouldn't be so hard:D;)
:D
ha I'll post it. It's a mix of whatever.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/mine.png

Damião de Góis

07-28-2012, 01:52 PM

:D
ha I'll post it. It's a mix of whatever.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/mine.png

Look at mine for reference, it has the names of some of the colors. Apparently your biggest segments are swedish and irish. Also, i seem to have a bigger east english segment than you? :confused:

xajapa

07-28-2012, 02:05 PM

The large segments are easier to distinguish. It's those small segments, which may be interesting regarding one's ancestry, that are sometimes hard to distinguish.

The Exiled King

07-28-2012, 04:11 PM

:D
ha I'll post it. It's a mix of whatever.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/mine.png

Wow, how do I have a little bit larger Irish segment than you!?!?!? Then again this is only from chromosome #1.
http://s19.postimage.org/xdj55d0sj/Eurogenes2.jpg

Graham

07-28-2012, 04:15 PM

Wow, how do I have a little bit larger Irish segment than you!?!?!? Then again this is only from chromosome #1.

Yes, but I only have a minute amount of traceable Irish ancestry in the family tree. You'd have to go way way back.

Atlantic Islander

07-28-2012, 05:50 PM

Can't distinguish between the colours. Would be good if a could lol.

If you have a program like paintshop or photoshop you could use the color pick tool to check any colors you can't figure out.

Atlantic Islander

07-29-2012, 12:16 AM

Mine:

http://i50.tinypic.com/5tvsw4.jpg

Viljuska

07-29-2012, 08:36 AM

http://i45.tinypic.com/246w9y9.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2hpoopw.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/1htlw1.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/2e4kihj.jpg

4 down 18 to go :)

A "must read" (http://bga101.blogspot.se/2012/07/pinpointing-loci-specific-genomic.html) before interpreting..

evon

07-29-2012, 11:03 AM

Mine so far, i have not checked them versus gedmatch or anything yet...

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1779/123tk.png

It seems the first chr is extremely western oriented with domination of "English", the second seem more oriented around the Baltic/Russia area, and the third seem more oriented towards Caucasus..i am struggling allot with the colours, thank god i am not colour blind though! But i think i am correct so far:) looking forward to the whole thing so i can better compare myself with other Norwegians:) PS: i noted that Brits have allot of South Indian showing up, would be interesting to see if these segments have moved in from southern or eastern europe :)...

Damião de Góis

07-29-2012, 11:30 AM

Here are my first 3 chromossomes:

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rcbx5i.jpg

http://oi46.tinypic.com/30myc9j.jpg

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2en6mwx.jpg

xajapa

07-29-2012, 02:03 PM

Chromosomes 2 and 3 for me:

ZephyrousMandaru

07-30-2012, 04:16 PM

Chromosome 1

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8436/chromosome1labeled.jpg

Chromosome 2

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8482/chromosome2labeled.jpg

Chromosome 3

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/668/chromosome3labeled.jpg

Chromosome 4

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4067/chromosome4labeled.jpg

Chromosome 5

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1315/chromosome5labeled.jpg

Chromosome 6

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7254/chromosome6labeled.jpg

Chromosome 7

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4581/chromosome7labeled.jpg

Chromosome 8

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/44/chromosome8labeled.jpg

Chromosome 9

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3512/chromosome9labeled.jpg

Chromosome 10

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9784/chromosome10labeled.jpg

Chromosome 11

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2025/chromosome11labeled.jpg

Chromosome 12

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/2796/chromosome12labeled.jpg

Chromosome 13

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5774/chromosome13labeled.jpg

Chromosome 14

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2497/chromosome14labeled.jpg

Chromosome 15

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9971/chromosome15labeled.jpg

ZephyrousMandaru

07-30-2012, 04:17 PM

Chromosome 16

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2580/chromosome16labeled.jpg

Chromosome 17

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1328/chromosome17labeled.jpg

Chromosome 18

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6244/chromosome18labeled.jpg

Chromosome 19

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9180/chromosome19labeled.jpg

Chromosome 20

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4605/chromosome20labeled.jpg

Chromosome 21

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9862/chromosome21labeled.jpg

Chromosome 22

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/107/chromosome22labeled.jpg

Damião de Góis

07-30-2012, 10:03 PM

Added the 4th, here's what they look like so far:

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rcbx5i.jpg

http://oi46.tinypic.com/30myc9j.jpg

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2en6mwx.jpg

http://oi49.tinypic.com/wgopkz.jpg

Sicilianu101

07-31-2012, 04:29 PM

How do I do the chromosome test? I dont have a computer right now so if it requires software i cant do it..

Damião de Góis

07-31-2012, 05:07 PM

How do I do the chromosome test? I dont have a computer right now so if it requires software i cant do it..

No, just download them from here and unzip:

http://bga101.blogspot.pt/2012/07/pinpointing-loci-specific-genomic.html

Sicilianu101

07-31-2012, 11:09 PM

These are 5 of mine:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=4645

The Exiled King

08-01-2012, 12:45 AM

All five chromosomes.

http://s19.postimage.org/qzgqg98oz/Eurogenes_Chr_111111111.jpg

Pallantides

08-02-2012, 05:43 PM

Chromosome 1
http://i.imgur.com/5qwph.png

Chromosome 2
http://i.imgur.com/r5b4J.png

Chromosome 3
http://i.imgur.com/Juqcq.png

Chromosome 4
http://i.imgur.com/SFLid.png

Chromosome 5
http://i.imgur.com/U8mp8.png

Chromosome 6
http://i.imgur.com/mRTQx.png

Chromosome 7
http://i.imgur.com/HbbCt.png

Chromosome 8
http://i.imgur.com/0qz8t.png

Chromosome 9
http://i.imgur.com/tmmS0.png

http://i.imgur.com/TX4x0.png

evon

08-02-2012, 09:35 PM

My biggest segments so far:

Chr 1
b: East English
(2nd Swedish)
a: Lithuanian
(2nd East English)

Chr 2
b: Ukrainian
(2nd Ukrainian)
a: Bulgarian Romanian
(2nd Ukrainian)

Chr 3
b: Chechen Lezgin
(2nd Saudi Arabian)
a: Bulgarian Romanian
(2nd Vologoda Russian)

Chr 4
b: Spanish
(2nd Vologoda Russian)
a: Chechen Lezgin
(2nd Spanish)

Chr 5
b:East English
(2nd Ukrainian)
a: Spanish
(2nd East English)

Chr 6
b: East English
(2nd Chechen Lezgin)
a: Swedish
(2nd Swedish)

Chr 7
b: Irish
(2nd Vologoda Russian)
a: Tuscan
(2nd Vologoda Russian)

Chr 8
b: Chechen Lezgin
(2nd Vologoda Russian)
a: Chechen Lezgin
(2nd East English)

Chr 9
b: Tuscan
(2nd Saudi Arabian)
a:Chechen Lezgin
(2nd Vologoda Russian)

Allot of large Chechen/Lezgin segments, quite odd actually...i have not looked at other Norwegians in this respect, will do that when all the chromosomes are out..

fergusgiselle

08-03-2012, 12:25 AM

can someone please tell me how I can do this with my results, if I'm not part of the project? I am a bit technologically retarded too.

Damião de Góis

08-03-2012, 12:36 AM

can someone please tell me how I can do this with my results, if I'm not part of the project? I am a bit technologically retarded too.

You need to be a part of the project to see your results. However he has this on his blog:

Submissions are closed
Please note; I'm currently not accepting new members, but I’ll make an announcement here when that changes. Meantime, some of my ancestry tests are available at GEDmatch, and they're easy to use. Good luck.

The Exiled King

08-03-2012, 02:33 AM

10 chromosomes are out right now.

Pallantides

08-03-2012, 03:48 AM

Chromosome 10
http://i.imgur.com/qO6AU.png

The Exiled King

08-03-2012, 02:48 PM

Interesting, on my chromosome 9 I have a pretty large segment of the Ethiopian_Ari population component.

http://s19.postimage.org/ybmn567ur/Chr9_Eurogenes.jpg

Atlantic Islander

08-03-2012, 09:39 PM

My first 10 Chromosomes:

http://i49.tinypic.com/t9y06r.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/263c5kl.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/feq8ht.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/9fwffk.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/inhllf.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/nz3ia.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2e3tu9h.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/zooz5.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/55pcnp.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/25j8840.jpg

Atlantic Islander

08-05-2012, 05:40 AM

#'s 11 & 12

http://i49.tinypic.com/357pr1t.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/15x8y9c.jpg

evon

08-06-2012, 09:55 PM

Atlantic Islander

08-06-2012, 10:17 PM

Here is the 16 chr that have been released so far:

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6597/123msn.png

The biggest surprise so far is the low number of East Asian segments, as well as a limited number of Swedish segments, a small Sub saharan segment, and the high number of Caucasus segments.

You should check the score:

“outSupportMix.Probs.tped” shows the posterior probabilities for each of the SNP windows, and lines up with the “outSupportMix.tped” file. So, for instance, let's say your Irish segment, marked by the number 13 in the “outSupportMix.tped” file, is given a score of 0.75. That would be a pretty decent probability of the classification being a correct one. On the other hand, I'd say that something like 0.15 would be a fairly uncertain result.

evon

08-06-2012, 10:25 PM

You should check the score:

I could not figure out that part, so i will see if someone else can check it for me...

Atlantic Islander

08-06-2012, 11:01 PM

I could not figure out that part, so i will see if someone else can check it for me...

I found it for you: 0.157 & 0.117

evon

08-12-2012, 11:47 AM

My chromosome:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1673/7by1dshfsl.jpg

I have not compared myself too much with the others since it takes so much time, so who knows if this is typical or not for my region in general..?

evon

08-16-2012, 07:54 PM

IBD analysis...

Biggest matches -19> if i got it right (the lower the E value, the higher the match):

1-5:

IS1 NO1 9080 9473 1.72E-19
NO1 SV1 33468 33777 1.73E-19
NO1 RU18 36982 37317 4.74E-19
NO1 NA12751 (CEU) 37516 37875 3.14E-19
GSM536643 (Lithuanian) NO1 79939 80195 5.14E-20
NO1 NO6 25908 26472 2.44E-20
NO1 HG00115 (UK) 86587 86786 6.40E-21
NO1 SE4 76503 76987 1.12E-21
NO1 HG00102 (UK) 52111 52424 2.25E-23
NO1 NO10 65168 65467 5.82E-24
NO1 NO10 66463 66735 2.24E-24
NO1 NA12812 (CEU) 86526 86845 9.03E-25

6-11:

UK42 NO1 41673 42108 3.22E-19
NO1 SENO2 77412 78004 1.22E-19
CA4 NO1 13617 13913 3.80E-19
NO1 NO2 36459 36743 4.30E-20
NO1 HG00107 (UK) 68764 69242 3.63E-20
NO1 HGDP00899 (Russian) 79085 79256 1.46E-21
NO1 HGDP00796 (Orcadian) 9915 10227 1.71E-21
NO1 WEUFI1 58093 58368 2.59E-23
UK39 NO1 80269 80853 4.26E-25
NO1 NO2 12802 13316 7.24E-31

12-22:

HGDP00539 (French) NO1 77711 77903 2.49E-19
NO1 RU6 45751 46019 6.00E-19
NO1 SE22 52691 53079 8.55E-25
NO1 HGDP00799 (Orcadian) 68718 69063 1.24E-25

I did not expect Russians to be among my top matches (where in Russia are they from?), the rest are less of a surprise though..

Here is the last run, i went down to E-16 this time..

1-5:

NO1 SE13 2412 2613 9.60E-16
GSM536624 NO1 9080 9268 3.19E-16 (Hungarian)
DK5 NO1 13519 13694 2.43E-16
NO1 HG00110 20939 21134 5.34E-16 ????
NO1 RU14 24929 25111 1.16E-16
NO1 NO6 26752 27071 1.41E-16
NO1 NA07347 28703 29092 1.02E-16 (CEU)
GSM536737 NO1 31487 31693 2.96E-16 (Chuvash)
NO1 NA12751 37516 37875 2.01E-16 (CEU)
BY3 NO1 42384 42550 4.32E-16
GSM536621 NO1 42373 42550 1.57E-16 (Hungarian)
NO1 HGDP00892 42371 42550 1.57E-16 (Russian)
NO1 HGDP00894 42373 42550 1.57E-16 (Russian)
DEPL1 NO1 42373 42550 1.57E-16
belorus10 NO1 42373 42554 1.88E-16
NO1 GSM558777 66471 66641 1.16E-16 (Western Greenland)
Kumyk13Y NO1 70486 70713 9.88E-16
HG00242 NO1 70486 70734 2.94E-16 ???
NO1 GSM536777 84476 84705 1.56E-16 (Uzbek)
NO1 HGDP00961 83935 84179 5.84E-16 (Yakut)
FI14 NO1 83949 84179 5.94E-16
ashkenazy2e NO1 24921 25116 2.68E-17
IS1 NO1 9080 9358 1.27E-17
HG00264 NO1 24927 25116 8.39E-17 ????
HG00126 NO1 71785 71946 6.64E-17 ???
GSM558737 NO1 83935 84191 9.94E-17 (Evenk)
NO1 NA12156 81369 81576 7.30E-17 (CEU)
GSM536643 NO1 79941 80195 3.51E-17 (Lithuanian)
HG00137 NO1 81092 81321 1.95E-18 ???
belorus5 NO1 27637 27913 9.59E-18
NO1 HG00102 52156 52424 2.71E-20 ???
NO1 SV1 33477 33777 4.97E-20
NO1 RU18 37006 37317 2.49E-21
NO1 PL3 37036 37350 8.12E-21
NO1 NO6 27182 27590 5.55E-22
NO1 NO10 66463 66735 3.13E-22
NO1 NO10 65171 65460 1.91E-23
NO1 SE4 76529 76989 1.16E-24
NO1 HG00115 86574 86845 1.19E-24 ???
NO1 NA12812 86533 86845 1.76E-25 (CEU)
NO1 NO6 26064 26742 6.84E-31

6-11:

FI7 NO1 10216 10479 2.60E-16
HG00132 NO1 20064 20253 5.55E-16 ???
GSM558726 NO1 20064 20271 4.45E-16 (Altai)
UK42 NO1 41673 42108 5.47E-16
NO1 NA12249 51780 51971 4.15E-16 (CEU)
NO1 WEUFI1 58132 58289 2.34E-16
NO1 HG00107 68766 69167 2.49E-16 ???
NO1 HGDP00795 73413 73610 1.54E-16 (Orcadian)
NO1 HG00122 73422 73610 6.82E-16 ???
NO1 HGDP00733 8623 8895 1.30E-17 (Palestinian)
NO1 HG00121 50835 51152 5.10E-17 ???
NO1 SE21 55795 56082 5.74E-17
UK36 NO1 64206 64354 9.35E-17
HGDP00527 NO1 77099 77457 5.68E-17 (French)
CA4 NO1 13614 13822 7.12E-18
NO1 NO12 13591 13869 9.01E-19
NOUK1 NO1 79116 79246 5.22E-19
UK35 NO1 54853 55188 9.98E-21
NO1 NA07055 68755 69285 7.07E-21 ???
HG00127 NO1 73358 73610 4.85E-21 ???
NO1 NA11930 78798 79069 1.52E-22 (CEU)
NO1 NO2 12800 13142 1.37E-23
NO1 HGDP00899 79066 79256 1.83E-24 (Russian)
UK39 NO1 80357 80853 7.66E-24
NO1 NO2 36718 37156 9.06E-25
NO1 HGDP00796 9681 10227 1.08E-33 (Orcadian)

12-22:

HGDP00536 NO1 27595 27838 8.22E-16 (French)
NO1 RU36 55241 55450 1.92E-16
NO1 HGDP00199 70010 70284 1.17E-16 (Sindhi)
NO1 Romanian_Jew_3 45085 45269 1.92E-17
NO1 NA12749 46723 46885 2.16E-17 (CEU)
NO1 NA12056 31681 31869 4.64E-17 (CEU)
NO1 NA12815 36328 36776 7.21E-18 (CEU)
ashkenazy9w NO1 5750 5982 4.36E-18
NO1 SE13 76310 76552 9.59E-19
NO1 HGDP00799 68754 69341 2.24E-33 (Orcadian)
NO1 SE22 52688 53091 1.76E-26

Could someone please tell me where i can look up the HG samples and NA07055?

Looking at the results i am somewhat dumbfounded, i did not expect Western Greenland, South/Central Asia and various Siberian matches, but ive gotten used to Russians and Caucasus matches, but these other matches must be really old right, so what age scale can i use for the various matches based on these results?

Pallantides

08-25-2012, 02:18 PM

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/genetic-origins-and-structure-of.html

Europeans are mainly the descendants of Neolithic farmers from the Near East and native European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, with the Mesolithic component peaking in Northeastern Europe. Moreover, all Europeans have prehistoric East Asian admixture, but Northern Europeans have more of it than Southern Europeans. However, Southern Europeans have recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry that Northern Europeans lack.

Annihilus

08-25-2012, 03:10 PM

Here is the last run, i went down to E-16 this time..

I haven't been following it much lately, got did you get the numbers?

evon

08-26-2012, 02:24 AM

I haven't been following it much lately, got did you get the numbers?

PM over at ABF, if you want the files let me know and i can give you the link..

Damião de Góis

08-26-2012, 02:35 AM

PM over at ABF, if you want the files let me know and i can give you the link..

Do you know if it's possible to sort the files with open office? I would be much easier with excel but i don't have it.

evon

08-26-2012, 02:38 AM

Do you know if it's possible to sort the files with open office? I would be much easier with excel but i don't have it.

i used notepad ++, it was hard manual labour, basically pushing the "find" feature and looking through all the ones with my ID one by one...but it did the trick...

Damião de Góis

08-26-2012, 02:41 AM

i used notepad ++, it was hard manual labour, basically pushing the "find" feature and looking through all the ones with my ID one by one...but it did the trick...

In excel it would be as easy as:

1- create a table
2- filter by your id
3- copy the results to another worksheet
4- sort

I tried this with open office but i couldn't filter. So you went through your ID with highlight on notepad++? That's too much work...

evon

08-26-2012, 02:42 AM

In excel it would be as easy as:

1- create a table
2- filter by your id
3- copy the results to another worksheet
4- sort

I tried this with open office but i couldn't filter. So you went through your ID with highlight on notepad++? That's too much work...

you could check out libre office?

Graham

10-04-2012, 02:06 AM

E test

31.68% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
27.86% ATLANTIC
12.30% EAST_EURO
11.87% SOUTH_BALTIC
10.39% WEST_MED
5.02% EAST_MED

0.69% WEST_ASIAN
0.12% WEST_AFRICAN
0.06% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN

J Test
31.30% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
27.14% ATLANTIC
12.00% EAST_EURO
11.73% SOUTH_BALTIC
9.68% WEST_MED
4.75% ASHKENAZIM
3.24% EAST_MED

0.13% WEST_ASIAN
0.03% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN

Pallantides

10-04-2012, 02:14 AM

Eutest:

30.44% ATLANTIC
25.93% CENTRAL_EURO
18.68% EAST_EUROPEAN
15.62% SOUTH_BALTIC
6.27% WEST_MED
2.05% WEST_ASIAN
0.99% SIBERIAN
0.01% EAST_MED
0.01% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.00% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% SUB-SAHARAN

Jtest:

30.34% ATLANTIC
25.89% CENTRAL_EURO
18.63% EAST_EUROPEAN
15.63% SOUTH_BALTIC
6.13% WEST_MED
1.79% WEST_ASIAN
0.98% SIBERIAN
0.60% ASHKENAZIM
0.00% EAST_MED
0.00% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.00% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SUB-SAHARAN

Annihilus

10-04-2012, 05:52 AM

Eutest

23.94% WEST_ASIAN
21.39% EAST_MED
11.04% WEST_MED
10.07% SOUTH_BALTIC
9.15% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
7.06% MIDDLE_EASTERN
6.60% ATLANTIC
6.45% EAST_EURO
1.94% SIBERIAN
1.88% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.48% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN

Jtest

23.53% WEST_ASIAN
20.67% EAST_MED
10.68% WEST_MED
10.02% SOUTH_BALTIC
8.91% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
6.48% MIDDLE_EASTERN
6.30% EAST_EURO
6.18% ATLANTIC
3.00% ASHKENAZIM
1.94% SIBERIAN
1.85% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.45% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN

bluesky

10-04-2012, 04:11 PM

Where can i find these "Eutest" and "Jtest", could someone post a link?

Insuperable

10-04-2012, 04:33 PM

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/genetic-origins-and-structure-of.html

That southern Europeans have subsaharan ancestry has been debunked by Patterson et al paper while the fact that all Europeans have ancient East Eurasian ancestry ( average is 10% ) is true ( which peaks in northeastern Europe in Finns and Northern Russians at 20% ).
Reserchers who previously concluded that southern Europeans have subsaharan anestry (except maybe one European nation I do not want to name where the admixture is much less than thought) were led by wrong premise that Northen Europeans are not admixed in any way and took them as a reference.
This east eurasian ancestry is not East Asian but something more like Amerindian or Syberian like if I recall correctly from Dienekes page.

The Exiled King

10-04-2012, 09:57 PM

jtest

8.16% south_baltic
5.34% east_euro
15.56% north-central_euro
16.01% atlantic
18.22% west_med
4.27% ashkenazim
19.41% east_med
9.29% west_asian
3.65% middle_eastern
0.03% south_asian
0.00% east_african
0.00% east_asian
0.00% siberian
0.05% west_african

Mazik

10-05-2012, 07:53 AM

EU test

18.57% SOUTH_BALTIC
19.31% EAST_EURO
24.96% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
21.31% ATLANTIC
7.49% WEST_MED
1.34% EAST_MED
2.69% WEST_ASIAN
0.00% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.53% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.95% EAST_ASIAN
2.58% SIBERIAN
0.28% WEST_AFRICAN

Jtest

18.55% SOUTH_BALTIC
19.18% EAST_EURO
24.82% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
21.01% ATLANTIC
7.17% WEST_MED
2.01% ASHKENAZIM
0.69% EAST_MED
2.30% WEST_ASIAN
0.00% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.52% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.94% EAST_ASIAN
2.57% SIBERIAN
0.26% WEST_AFRICAN

Damião de Góis

10-05-2012, 11:50 AM

EUtest:

8.66% SOUTH_BALTIC
4.49% EAST_EURO
17.44% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
23.67% ATLANTIC
21.92% WEST_MED
11.65% EAST_MED
4.05% WEST_ASIAN
5.09% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.01% SOUTH_ASIAN
2.32% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.70% WEST_AFRICAN

JTest

8.56% SOUTH_BALTIC
3.99% EAST_EURO
16.98% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
22.69% ATLANTIC
20.98% WEST_MED
7.24% ASHKENAZIM
9.80% EAST_MED
2.96% WEST_ASIAN
3.86% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.01% SOUTH_ASIAN
2.24% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.69% WEST_AFRICAN

Prince Carlo

10-05-2012, 04:44 PM

You have quite a high ASHKENAZIM for being a Portuguese.

Annihilus

10-05-2012, 04:48 PM

You have quite a high ASHKENAZIM for being a Portuguese.

Depends on the Portuguese avarage.

Damião de Góis

10-05-2012, 05:30 PM

You have quite a high ASHKENAZIM for being a Portuguese.

I've seen the results of 2 portuguese (4.27% and 5.66%) and one spaniard (6.81%). What's so high about my results?

In any case, i would say it's some shared med component.. but that would require to look at other southern europeans to be sure. Or perhaps it's connected to West Asian. My West Asian is also slightly higher than average.

Atlantic Islander

10-07-2012, 09:11 PM

Mine:

EUtest
5.50% SOUTH_BALTIC
4.75% EAST_EURO
20.85% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
24.65% ATLANTIC
22.39% WEST_MED
10.96% EAST_MED
0.21% WEST_ASIAN
7.93% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.44% SOUTH_ASIAN
1.98% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.08% SIBERIAN
0.25% WEST_AFRICAN

Jtest
5.40% SOUTH_BALTIC
4.48% EAST_EURO
20.54% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
24.05% ATLANTIC
21.87% WEST_MED
4.27% ASHKENAZIM
9.62% EAST_MED
0.06% WEST_ASIAN
7.10% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.37% SOUTH_ASIAN
1.90% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.05% SIBERIAN
0.28% WEST_AFRICAN

noricum

10-08-2012, 10:35 AM

EUtest

SOUTH BALTIC: 20.81%
EAST EURO: 16.19%
NORTH-CENTRAL EURO: 18.84%
ATLANTIC: 19.32%
WEST MED: 10.96%
EAST MED: 12.24%
WEST ASIAN: 1.23%
MIDDLE EASTERN: 0
SOUTH ASIAN: 0.35%
EAST AFRICAN: 0.05%
EAST ASIAN: 0
SIBERIAN: 0
WEST AFRICAN: 0.02%

Jtest

SOUTH BALTIC: 20.79%
EAST EURO: 16.02%
NORTH-CENTRAL EURO: 18.51%
ATLANTIC: 18.64%
WEST MED: 10.22%
ASHKENAZIM: 4.55%
EAST MED: 10.87%
WEST ASIAN: 0.39%
MIDDLE EASTERN: 0
SOUTH ASIAN: 0.01%
EAST AFRICAN: 0
EAST ASIAN: 0
SIBERIAN: 0
WEST AFRICAN: 0

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/xx2_zps20531f88.png

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/xx1_zps8fc96a38.png

Graham

10-08-2012, 11:25 AM

Have yet to see anyone score higher than me for North Central European.

Wondering where it peaks at.

Pallantides

10-10-2012, 06:03 PM

Thanks goes to Muso from ABF for helping me out with this:

NO 8.548058259
Orcadian 8.874519705
North Swedish 8.888115661
Scottish 9.033471094
South & Central Swedish 9.126620404
IE 9.212431818
DK 9.298279411
NL 11.47296823
English 12.06867018
DE 12.10880258
Southwest Finnish 13.81159296
AT 17.6912436
South Finnish 19.19612461
FR 20.78249744
HU 21.82457789
East Finnish 22.26369242
PL 22.5689344
EE 23.02853664
West Russian 24.23854575
UA 25.26624428
Serbian 25.83581622
Belorussian 26.08880028
East Russian 26.12936471
Ukrainian-Russian 26.27277869
North Russian 28.23250786
ES 28.244973
PT 28.38607581
Northwest Russian 28.71367618
Erzya 28.89825081
RO 29.58340413
LIT 29.91444801
Udmurt 31.13691057
French Basque 31.22950528
Basque 31.38046048
Komi 31.7473495
North Italian 32.47435142
Tuscan 37.86952337
South Italian & Sicilian 47.25938108
GR 49.25092182
AJ 51.17108559
Moroccan 53.50310084
Lezgin 55.81989341
KZ 56.46430377
Algerian 56.66676098
TR 56.96522272
IR 60.69481197
Kurdish 62.21943507
Sardinian 62.36141756
Mozabite Berber 62.36256169
Kalash 63.0861419
Burusho 63.85738328
IQ 64.23976339
Brahui 65.574065
Armenian 65.65649854
Assyrian 66.30809
Mandean 67.52112929
GE 68.83954314
Selkup 70.11586839
Sindhi 70.20388023
Druze 71.39437373
Ethiopian 77.21997151
IN 77.52900554
Bangladeshi 77.70305335
Maasai 78.33258645
Somali 79.67043931
Gujarati 80.72550712
Bedouin 81.35471959
Chukchi 87.3103436
Luhya 87.39810639
Koryak 89.9287796
Japanese 93.76991575
Yoruba 93.9746386
KR 95.35464593
South Indian 96.39025988
Northern Han Chinese 101.5483491
Nganassan 103.6497844
Chinese 105.2143018

Graham

10-10-2012, 06:26 PM

This is mine.

Scottish samples, I reckon come from the South West.

It would make more sense to have East England, West England, East Scotland & West Scotland. :)

4.76 NL
5.14 DE
5.65 DK
6.34 NO
6.78 South central Sweden
7.07 English
8.83 Orcadian
9.73 North Swedish
9.94 IE
10.41 AT
11.42 Scottish
13.47 FR
13.97 Southwest Finnish
15.68 HU
19.07 Serbian
19.99 South Finnish

The Exiled King

10-10-2012, 06:55 PM

Have yet to see anyone score higher than me for North Central European.

Wondering where it peaks at.

From what I've seen, either Norway or Sweden.

Pallantides

10-11-2012, 01:43 AM

http://i.imgur.com/dDXlq.png
http://i.imgur.com/GdnIs.png
http://i.imgur.com/neRmG.png

Atlantic Islander

10-11-2012, 07:08 AM

http://i45.tinypic.com/9j0vo3.jpg

3.809842516 PT
4.958880922 ES
9.878339942 FR
13.21355743 North Italian
17.34292363 Tuscan
19.8127358 DE
19.86452114 NL
19.98633533 English
20.38766539 AT
20.72082045 French Basque
22.06881737 IE
22.09023993 Orcadian
22.20569972 Basque
23.10415114 Scottish
23.25333955 DK
23.5897181 Serbian
24.60045935 RO
24.73214103 HU
25.63617171 NO
26.36058042 South & Central Swedish
28.77209586 South Italian & Sicilian
29.5075143 North Swedish
31.89285657 Southwest Finnish
32.26981252 Moroccan
32.71191679 GR
35.97072977 PL
36.95252495 UA
37.33900641 AJ
37.47418044 Algerian
37.77563765 South Finnish
38.36538935 West Russian
38.83976184 Ukrainian-Russian
38.86833673 Sardinian
40.13842299 East Finnish
40.74746741 Belorussian
40.78735956 East Russian
41.20161041 EE
43.34577603 Mozabite Berber
43.64673871 Northwest Russian
43.70533491 North Russian
44.38012956 Erzya
45.47022102 LIT
45.52567847 Udmurt
45.65524942 Komi
45.84833476 TR
50.88022013 IQ
52.4435506 IR
52.96075717 Armenian
53.28411302 Kurdish
53.41860163 Assyrian
54.79784029 Mandean
54.98223986 Lezgin
56.58576853 Druze
56.8981019 KZ
61.34250076 Brahui
61.95821414 GE
62.99289801 Burusho
63.75296777 Kalash
67.40211273 Bedouin
67.4645329 Ethiopian
68.19322547 Sindhi
70.97093278 Somali
71.59382445 Maasai
73.65142904 Selkup
75.76868284 IN
75.80576297 Bangladeshi
79.26081819 Gujarati
83.20578706 Luhya
86.31247013 Chukchi
88.71204653 Koryak
90.37814061 Yoruba
91.10221567 Japanese
92.71748541 KR
93.49597745 South Indian
98.99535949 Northern Han Chinese
102.5094542 Nganassan
102.6988583 Chinese

GEDMATCH Jtest Population sharing:

http://i45.tinypic.com/15po004.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/11r7qbs.jpg

Graham

10-11-2012, 07:09 AM

http://imageshack.us/a/img18/8126/20557092.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img38/1757/27005492.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img827/5030/92720319.jpg

The Exiled King

10-11-2012, 01:14 PM

http://s19.postimage.org/lvt5eyd6r/JTEST_Gedmatch1.png

http://s19.postimage.org/7qncd545f/JTEST_Gedmatch2.png

http://s19.postimage.org/puqcxs1tv/JTEST_Gedmatch3.png

I find it interesting that in mixed mode most of the secondary populations are either Slavic or Finnic/Uralic.

Annihilus

10-11-2012, 06:43 PM

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/jtest1.jpg

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/jtest2.jpg

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/jtest3.jpg

Damião de Góis

10-11-2012, 10:27 PM

http://oi47.tinypic.com/30moah2.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/oo3yc.jpg

Jackson

11-05-2012, 12:38 PM

Until the tool on GEDmatch is up and running again here is me and my parent's Eurogenes Jtest scores, i think my Dad might be competing with you for the North-Central Euro Graham, and he's also called Graham too xD:

Me:
SOUTH_BALTIC 14.10%
EAST_EURO 9.74%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.80%
ATLANTIC 23.14%
WEST_MED 10.95%
ASHKENAZI 4.37%
EAST_MED 2.82%
WEST_ASIAN 5.54%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.22%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.32%

Dad:
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.25%
EAST_EURO 10.14%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 31.17%
ATLANTIC 24.83%
WEST_MED 11.62%
ASHKENAZI 2.93%
EAST_MED 2.50%
WEST_ASIAN 2.77%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.08%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.72%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Mum:
SOUTH_BALTIC 15.45%
EAST_EURO 8.91%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.10%
ATLANTIC 21.90%
WEST_MED 11.91%
ASHKENAZI 4.11%
EAST_MED 3.58%
WEST_ASIAN 8.97%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.07%

Here is our Euclidean distance (prior to GEDmatch, that isn't working atm):

Me:
NL: 3.913962187 (1 – Netherlands)
DE: 4.009763085 (2 – Germany)
English :5.009820356 (3 – England)
DK: 7.326315582 (4 – Denmark)
Orcadian: 7.441720231 (5 – Orkney)
NO: 8.464006144 (6 – Norway)
IE: 8.537271227 (7 – Ireland)
South & Central Swedish: 8.805628882 (8 – Southern Sweden)
Scottish: 9.849035486 (9 – Scotland)
AT: 11.29924776 (10 – Austria)
FR:11.82957734 (11 – France)

Dad:
English: 2.87525651 (1 – England)
NL: 4.119089705 (2 – Netherlands)
DK: 5.267190902 (3 – Denmark)
DE: 5.727180807 (4 – Germany)
Orcadian: 6.824236221 (5 – Orkney)
NO: 7.18588895 (6 – Norway)
IE: 7.874426963 (7 – Ireland)
South & Central Swedish: 7.98080823 (8 – Southern Sweden)
Scottish: 9.093618642 (9 – Scotland)
North Swedish: 12.949444 (10 – Northern Sweden)
FR: 13.03724281 (11 – France)

Mum:
DE: 6.793114161 (1 - Germany)
NL: 7.611300809 (2- Netherlands)
English: 9.281837103 (3 - England)
AT: 9.817840903 (4 - Austria)
Orcadian: 10.50659793 (5 - Orkney)
IE: 11.19465944 (6 – Ireland)
DK: 11.56722525 (7 – Denmark)
South & Central Swedish: 11.92088503 (8 – Southern Sweden)
NO: 11.9810684 (9 – Norway)
FR: 12.1529626 (10 – France)
Scottish: 12.64671894 (11 – Scotland)