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Boudica

08-18-2011, 06:30 AM

This is really cool. Sahson, could I ask you one more thing? You made me my chart but you didn't list the rankings! :cry2 Could you list it, pretty please? :p

what is your chart number?

poiuytrewq0987

08-18-2011, 06:32 AM

what is your chart number?

I am RS1.

Boudica

08-18-2011, 06:36 AM

This is really cool. Sahson, could I ask you one more thing? You made me my chart but you didn't list the rankings! :cry2 Could you list it, pretty please? :p

interesting, i'm us245

poiuytrewq0987

08-18-2011, 06:39 AM

interesting, i'm us245

Interesting how? :p

SwordoftheVistula

08-18-2011, 09:23 AM

Imperivm

08-18-2011, 10:43 AM

Can I get a graph please?

I'm UK35. :D

Humanophage

08-18-2011, 10:55 AM

Polako Geneticist? :rolleyes: Or do you think you can draw conclusions about ethnogeny of peoples based on 4 people? ;)
Actually, the samples are considerably bigger for many ethnicities (e.g., 40 Russians).

The nature of the research is such that a small amount of samples is sufficient to make some conclusions (unlike with haplogroups), seeing how there is a large correlation between ethnicity and genetic make-up, and it is affected by relatively minor admixtures. For instance, all Russians without visible admixtures show similar general patterns.

The total amount of samples which establishes the framework is fairly large, about 700 Europeans. That is quite enough for 6-8 elements. If it is specifically Polako that you do not trust, then DODECAD, 23andme, etc. show similar results in a different form, and their samples are larger.

P.S. I'm not even a member of the project yet.

Don Brick

08-18-2011, 02:11 PM

Could somebody make a chart for me too? AlabamaMan? Somebody? :D haha I´d appreciate it. I´m FI6. Expecting interesting results. :tongue

Humanophage

08-18-2011, 10:11 PM

Apotheosis

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x387/sahson1/rs1rmsd.png

New World

US 63.10
CA 66.82
AU 69.20

Old World

RS 10.75
RO 15.31
BAL 19.45
MD 26.10
HU 30.22
AJ 32.46
IT 35.82
N.IT 39.02
GR 41.47
AT 44.57

(as you know, Eurogenes is a bit unspecific on Southern Europe and beyond)

(updated with Sahson's calculator fix)

Humanophage

08-18-2011, 10:12 PM

Imperivm

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Imperivm_fix.jpg

New World

US 26.04
AU 26.48
CA 27.37

Old World

DK 9.41
NL 10.19
NO 11.40
SE 12.19
Kent 23.47
UK 25.89
US 26.04
AU 26.48
DE 26.49
CA 27.37
AT 35.64
FR 36.71
Cornwall 43.12

(updated with Sahson's calculator fix)

Humanophage

08-18-2011, 10:13 PM

Don Brick

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Don_Brick.jpg

New World

US 44.65
CA 46.81
AU 48.00

Old World

FI 16.82
Chuvash 33.43
N. RU 33.68
DE 36.06
RU 36.46
UA 39.46
AT 41.49
HU 42.48
FR 42.68
EE 43.23

(updated with Sahson's calculator fix)

poiuytrewq0987

08-18-2011, 10:55 PM

Apotheosis

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Apotheosis.jpg

New World

US 63.10
CA 66.82
AU 69.21

Old World

RS 10.75
BAL 19.45
MD 26.09
HU 30.21
AJ 32.46
IT 35.81
N.IT 39.01
CH 40.15
GR 41.47
AT 44.57

(as you know, Eurogenes is a bit unspecific on Southern Europe and beyond)

Thanks man. I think it's really interesting that according to the chart I am closer to Italians than I am to Greeks. I think it's more likely that there is not enough data or the sample of Greeks are from the very south (Crete, Peloponnese, etc) or I am indeed closer to grand old Romans... :P

Pallantides

08-19-2011, 12:56 AM

Could someone make one for me, NO2?

Trog

08-19-2011, 01:16 AM

Can I hae wan tae? Its the usual suspects who dinny ken wit tae dae.

Those who do them could start charging a small fee.

UK39

Sahson

08-19-2011, 01:22 AM

[CENTER][I][FONT="Georgia"]Apotheosis

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Apotheosis.jpg

(as you know, Eurogenes is a bit unspecific on Southern Europe and beyond)

Which spreadsheet are you using? this one looks out of date, check the romanian figures.

This is the one I made for Apothesis, you can see that they are distinctly different.

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x387/sahson1/rs1rmsd.png

Sahson

08-19-2011, 01:44 AM

Bastarnae

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x387/sahson1/bastarnaermsd.png

New World
US 55.29
CA 58.41
AU 60.68

Old World
1. MD 11.06
2. HU 22.08
3. RO 24.41
4. RS 27.29
5. PL 30.54
6. BY 33.14
7. UA 33.84
8. RU 34.46
9. AT 36.45
10. N. IT 40.04

Don Brick

08-19-2011, 05:13 AM

Don Brick

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/DonDraper.jpg

I appreciate the help, but to be honest some of the results look pretty... off. Seems that others are using different spreadsheets. Could someone have another go at it? FI6. Thanks a lot. :)

Humanophage

08-19-2011, 12:49 PM

Which spreadsheet are you using? this one looks out of date, check the romanian figures.

This is the one I made for Apothesis, you can see that they are distinctly different.
Thank you. Indeed, I was using the first posted spreadsheet, without the fix. I somehow missed it in the flurry of pictures. The changes seem to be:
1) Romanian figures
2) Swiss figures
3) There were no Spanish figures initially

I appreciate the help, but to be honest some of the results look pretty... off. Seems that others are using different spreadsheets. Could someone have another go at it? FI6. Thanks a lot.
Updated the list, everything save for Romania stayed the same. The results are so high for Chuvash and N. Russians not because of some Asiatic admixtures, which you don't have, but because of your high Finnic admixtures (called 'East European'). If you sort out the EU9 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdE9HYXlkbUJYUk1UbUNjVU1PNkRTQ Xc&hl=en_US#gid=0) results by 'East European', you will find that only Finns, Chuvash, Russians, and North Russians have such high levels of it. There are individuals like 2 out of 19 Swedes, but they are outliers.

Of course, now that I've lost some credibility, somebody else has to confirm that post. I am quite certain of its accuracy though.

Humanophage

08-19-2011, 01:58 PM

Pallantides

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Pallantides.jpg

New World

AU 12.21
CA 14.06
US 15.59

Old World

UK 9.71
Kent 9.79
NO 12.30
NL 16.38
DE 24.28
SE 24.40
Cornwall 24.78
DK 27.72
S.W. Scot 31.37
AT 34.05

(made with Sahson's update)

I'm certain it is hardly surprising for you, Pallantides.

Sahson

08-19-2011, 02:09 PM

Thank you. Indeed, I was using the first posted spreadsheet, without the fix. I somehow missed it in the flurry of pictures. The changes seem to be:
1) Romanian figures
2) Swiss figures
3) There were no Spanish figures initially

And the dutch, and german's were corrected :D

Imperivm

08-19-2011, 02:23 PM

Don Brick

08-19-2011, 03:07 PM

Updated the list, everything save for Romania stayed the same. The results are so high for Chuvash and N. Russians not because of some Asiatic admixtures, which you don't have, but because of your high Finnic admixtures (called 'East European'). If you sort out the EU9 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdE9HYXlkbUJYUk1UbUNjVU1PNkRTQ Xc&hl=en_US#gid=0) results by 'East European', you will find that only Finns, Chuvash, Russians, and North Russians have such high levels of it. There are individuals like 2 out of 19 Swedes, but they are outliers.

Of course, now that I've lost some credibility, somebody else has to confirm that post. I am quite certain of its accuracy though.

Thanks a lot Humanophage, and Sahson too. Yes, it all makes sense. It was indeed the Romanian result in particular I was wondering about. Then again all these results by country tend to vary quite a bit depending on the run in question so you can get all kinds of hits. I love how overwhelming the "Finnic" element is in this one haha. :D

Kadu

08-19-2011, 07:01 PM

Once again the absence of MENA components might be skewing the results for Southern Euros...

PT1

West European (Peaks in the Pyrenees) : 52.20%
South European ( Peaks in Calabria and Greece) : 28.46%
North European ( Peaks in the north sea shores) : 15.20%
Northwest European (Peaks in Ireland and Cornwall) : 2.56%
East European ( Peaks in North Russia) : 1.56%

Odoacer

08-25-2011, 02:38 AM

Eurogenes EU9d results:

North European: 0.332533
Northwest European: 0.323281
South European: 0.190074
Baltic: 0.114494
West European: 0.039578
East European: 0.00001
North Asian: 0.0001
East Asian: 0.00001
Sub-Saharan African: 0.00001

Compared to other populations:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=278&pictureid=2438

New World:
U.S. 12.43
Canada 15.6
Australia 17.89

Old World:
Germany 14.65
Austria 15.65
Switzerland 19.05
Kent 19.85
France 20.1

Frederick

09-05-2011, 02:25 AM

I just realised that Davids latest run is really quiet interesting.

"Northern European"
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14577&stc=1&d=1315188086

"North Atlantic"
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14578&stc=1&d=1315188095

"Balto-Slavic"
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14576&stc=1&d=1315188072

Had no nerves to do the other ones yet. ;)

EDIT: Almost forgot to warn you: The Slavic value of the Belgians... is wrong (forgot to change it). Just ignore it ;)

09-05-2011, 10:32 AM

I just realised that Davids latest run is really quiet interesting.Actually, Davids post about his latest run is now removed from Eurogenes blog. Seems like he wasn't too pleased with it himself - I wonder why would that be?

What's curious, is how you chose the ranges of percentage that decides where to draw those lines.

For Germanic blood connection it's - 22%

Celtic blood connection - 28%

For Balto-Slavic blood connection it's more than twice that of the Germanic range - 51%

Frederick

09-05-2011, 01:32 PM

Actually, Davids post about his latest run is now removed from Eurogenes blog. Seems like he wasn't too pleased with it himself - I wonder why would that be?

What are ou talking about?
Its still there?:
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/07/genetic-substructures-across-europe_20.html

What's curious, is how you chose the ranges of percentage that decides where to draw those lines.

For Germanic blood connection it's - 22%

Celtic blood connection - 28%

For Balto-Slavic blood connection it's more than twice that of the Germanic range - 51%

I chosed it like this: 30% and up = inside, 29 and lower = outside
That was the rule for Germanic, Celtic and Slavic alike.

The boundary is just there to increase the impression, that the highest percentage regions indeed somewhat resemble the historical core regions of these people. Its not meant to "exclude" some one. ;)

But including the Balkan and Finland into the Germanic boundary just wouldnt have suited my point. ;)

EDIT:

Well, your right, its not the latest run but from "Wednesday, July 20, 2011"

Anyways. I made the maps from that run, not from the latest then.
Its still good (on nation averages level), dont know for individual level (this problem between that GErmanic and Celtic element beeing quiet noisy for individuals because both elements are extemely similiar)

Pallantides

09-06-2011, 01:41 PM

Intra-West European MDS plot (genetic map) (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/08/intra-west-european-mds-plot-genetic.html)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/763/weuro1.png

Frederick

09-06-2011, 02:54 PM

Sahson

09-06-2011, 02:56 PM

I can't find myself on that map. :confused:

Quasimodem

09-06-2011, 08:00 PM

UPDATE: Interactive MDS analysis of the East Baltic (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/09/interactive-mds-analysis-of-east-baltic.html)

Component #1 seems to be largely a Finnic-like (Left) vs. Baltic-like (Right) component.
Component #2 is less obvious, or at least doesn't have a general rule like the first component.

Humanophage

09-07-2011, 09:19 AM

The MDS seems a little unclear to me. I took the data from EU7c (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEFUVDVnZ2JGaUVpMmFPcUdnQk9OT 3c&hl=en_US#gid=0) and applied it to a few individuals:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Dimensions.gif

Let's say, RU35, RU38, RU43 and UARU1 are practically on the same spot in Gnuplot, but their admixture data are rather disparate (EU9b):

RU35 RU38 RU43 UARU1
West European 0.00001 0.00001 0.04354 0.12867
East European 0.23711 0.10697 0.19530 0.27455
Northwest Euro 0.16932 0.26514 0.12118 0.00001
North European 0.00757 0.00001 0.13341 0.08963
East Asian 0.00001 0.00001 0.00948 0.00001
South European 0.09117 0.00001 0.10884 0.08717
Sub-Saharan 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001
North Asian 0.00001 0.00695 0.01003 0.00001
Baltic 0.49481 0.62087 0.37817 0.41992

RU38 has a low East Euro score, UARU1 has a high one. RU38 has a major NW Euro score, UARU1 has a low one. RU35 has an above average Baltic score, RU43 a below average one.

Loki

09-15-2011, 03:25 AM

Genetic substructures across West Eurasia (DIY teaser) (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/09/genetic-substructures-across-west.html)

My results:

27.54% Northeast_Euro
2.24% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.87% South_Asian
49.94% West_Euro
0.93% Southeast_Asian
0.02% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.01% East_Siberian
0.07% East_Asian
9.28% East_Mediterranean
1.32% Middle_Eastern
6.07% West_Asian
1.72% Volga-Ural

Transhumanist

09-15-2011, 05:34 AM

My results:

West_Asian 44.36
East_Mediterranean 24.61
Middle_Eastern 17.63
West_Euro 10.24
South_Asian 2.23
East_Asian 0.42
Volga-Ural 0.29
Northeast_Euro 0.12
Sub-Saharan 0.1
North_African 0
Southeast_Asian 0
South_Siberian 0
North_Asian 0
East_Siberian 0

poiuytrewq0987

09-15-2011, 05:35 AM

DIY? DIFM please...

Transhumanist

09-15-2011, 05:38 AM

DIY? DIFM please...

Yes. Eurogenes modification of the Dodecad DIY. Genetic substructures across West Eurasia (DIY teaser) (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/09/genetic-substructures-across-west.html)

Frederick

09-15-2011, 07:44 AM

My results in that K14, test tool:

35.26% Northeast_Euro
0.04% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.01% South_Asian
49.38% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.01% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
2.32% East_Mediterranean
3.69% Middle_Eastern
5.14% West_Asian
4.15% Volga-Ural

Kadu

09-15-2011, 07:47 AM

63.00% West_Euro
16.89% East_Mediterranean
13.31% Northeast_Euro
3.50% Middle_Eastern
1.16% North_African
1.10% Sub-Saharan
0.73% East_Siberian
0.27% East_Asian

Looking forward for something more groundbreaking. Some results are a bit off too, low NA and high SSA

Humanophage

09-15-2011, 08:28 AM

Well, that certainly is quite general. I would have preferred a North European and a West Mediterranean cluster as well. This way, everyone seems part-Northeast European, and it is largely impossible to tell apart between East Europeans.

82.35% Northeast_Euro
11.85% West_Euro
2.45% East_Mediterranean
1.82% Middle_Eastern
0.72% West_Asian
0.77% Volga-Ural
0.04% South_Asian
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian

I have a lower Volga score than Germans and Englishmen :)

Polako

09-15-2011, 09:45 AM

Looking forward for something more groundbreaking. Some results are a bit off too, low NA and high SSA

After some of my experiments, I doubt there that is a general North African cluster. It seems this was a composite, and soaking up a lot of Sub-Saharan African.

So I tried to break it up. That left only 50-60% North African in the Mozabite Berbers, and higher Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan scores in everyone who used to score North African.

This can be done with a lot of clusters that represent large regions, but are based on small groups of people from the same ethnic groups.

Well, that certainly is quite general. I would have preferred a North European and a West Mediterranean cluster as well. This way, everyone seems part-Northeast European, and it is largely impossible to tell apart between East Europeans.

82.35% Northeast_Euro
11.85% West_Euro
2.45% East_Mediterranean
1.82% Middle_Eastern
0.72% West_Asian
0.77% Volga-Ural
0.04% South_Asian
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian

I have a lower Volga score than Germans and Englishmen :)

I think the ADMIXTURE run will be different for you. From memory it was. But I didn't save the results.

It looks like the DIY didn't get the same amount of detail because you matched other Russians so well.

Quasimodem

09-15-2011, 10:01 AM

Northeast Euro: 33.61%
Sub-Saharan: 0.00%
North African: 0.00%
South Asian: 0.36%
West Euro: 53.08%
Southeast Asian: 0.00%
South Siberian: 0.00%
North Asian: 0.00%
East Siberian: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.00%
East Mediterranean: 5.46%
Middle Eastern: 0.09%
West Asian: 4.36%
Volga-Ural: 3.04%

By the way, could some of you do a K=12 (without Volga-Ural and Northeast Euro)? I'm curious to see how those results compare with this (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/05/asian-genetic-ancestry-in-northern.html). Here are mine:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7775/novu2.jpg

Chromosomes:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5884/bychrvisual.jpg

Polako

09-15-2011, 10:07 AM

^ Yes, I recommend that everyone experiment with taking away certain clusters, especially for segment and chromosome analyses.

Kadu

09-15-2011, 10:11 AM

By the way, could some of you do a K=12 (without Volga-Ural and Northeast Euro)?

What do I have to delete?

Quasimodem

09-15-2011, 10:19 AM

What do I have to delete?

You have to delete the very first and very last columns in the .F file (as those are the ones that correspond to NE Euro and Volga-Ural). You also have to delete those two component names in the test.txt file and change the .par file to the right settings. Of course the same rules apply to any other component you want to remove.

Kadu

09-15-2011, 10:21 AM

You have to delete the very first and very last columns in the .F file (as those are the ones that correspond to NE Euro and Volga-Ural).

Looks daunting, it's all scattered, I opened with it wordpad.

Quasimodem

09-15-2011, 10:25 AM

Looks daunting, it's all scattered, I opened with it wordpad.

It's easiest to do with Open Office.

Pallantides

09-15-2011, 12:58 PM

Imperivm

09-15-2011, 01:28 PM

Sorry chaps, I'm using a mac as my main computer and it's not letting me run the Dodecad DIY without giving me errors (I think it's because of the type of mac OS I'm running). If you don't need the raw data file for this (I assume you don't); could somebody run the tests for me, please? I'm UK35.

Pallantides

09-15-2011, 01:56 PM

54.94% West_Euro
33.24% Northeast_Euro
5.84% Volga-Ural
5.09% West_Asian
0.51% North_Asian
0.27% East_Siberian
0.09% East_Asian
0.02% South_Asian
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% Berber
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% East_Mediterranean
0.00% Middle_Eastern

Without Volga Ural

56.65% West_Euro
35.59% Northeast_Euro
5.58% West_Asian
0.92% North_Asian
0.74% East_Siberian
0.47% East_Asian
0.02% South_Siberian
0.02% South_Asian
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% Berber
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_Mediterranean
0.00% Middle_Eastern

Without Volga-Ural and NE-Euro

77.05% West_Euro
15.29% West_Asian
1.95% North_Asian
1.94% South_Asian
1.88% East_Siberian
1.14% South_Siberian
0.72% East_Asian
0.01% Southeast_Asian
0.01% East_Mediterranean
0.01% Middle_Eastern
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% Berber

Scrapple

09-15-2011, 02:09 PM

You have to delete the very first and very last columns in the .F file (as those are the ones that correspond to NE Euro and Volga-Ural). You also have to delete those two component names in the test.txt file and change the .par file to the right settings. Of course the same rules apply to any other component you want to remove.

To expand on this edit the test.txt and delete the populations your removed and in the test.par file reduce the number in the second line to the new number of populations you are running.

Me:
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

40.36% Northeast_Euro
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% Berber
0.09% South_Asian
42.95% West_Euro
0.25% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.03% North_Asian
0.04% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
7.15% East_Mediterranean
1.82% Middle_Eastern
4.35% West_Asian
2.96% Volga-Ural

Humanophage

09-15-2011, 02:44 PM

Removed NE-E and Volga to break down my East European score:
West_Euro + 45.6
West_Asian + 18.8
South_Asian + 5.8
East_Med + 3.2
East_Siberian + 3.0
Mid_East + 2.8
South_Siberian + 2.2
North_Asian + 1.6

no NE-E, no Volga no NE-E full
0.00% Sub-Saharan 5.30% Sub-Saharan 0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African 0.06% North_African 0.00% North_African
5.98% South_Asian 3.15% South_Asian 0.04% South_Asian
57.43% West_Euro 45.27% West_Euro 11.85% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian 1.43% Southeast_Asian 0.00% Southeast_Asian
2.22% South_Siberian 0.05% South_Siberian 0.00% South_Siberian
1.59% North_Asian 0.01% North_Asian 0.00% North_Asian
3.02% East_Siberian 1.21% East_Siberian 0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian 0.12% East_Asian 0.00% East_Asian
5.63% East_Mediter 3.53% East_Mediter 2.45% East_Mediter
4.63% Middle_Eastern 3.65% Middle_Eastern 1.82% Middle_Eastern
19.49% West_Asian 14.42% West_Asian 0.72% West_Asian
21.81% Volga-Ural 82.35% Northeast_Euro
0.77% Volga-Ural

Sorry chaps, I'm using a mac as my main computer and it's not letting me run the Dodecad DIY without giving me errors (I think it's because of the type of mac OS I'm running). If you don't need the raw data file for this (I assume you don't); could somebody run the tests for me, please? I'm UK35.
One needs the raw data file for this. The whole thing is fairly fundamental.

Rochefaton

09-15-2011, 04:18 PM

Me:
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

30.86% Northeast_Euro
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.23% N. African
0.95% South_Asian
57.53% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.05% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
2.32% East_Mediterranean
0.67% Middle_Eastern
5.43% West_Asian
1.96% Volga-Ural

My Wife:
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

28.96% Northeast_Euro
0.80% Sub-Saharan
0.00% N. African
0.01% South_Asian
57.25% West_Euro
0.02% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.05% North_Asian
0.99% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
4.65% East_Mediterranean
1.85%% Middle_Eastern
4.44% West_Asian
0.99% Volga-Ural

poiuytrewq0987

09-15-2011, 04:27 PM

Whenever I try to open the Dodecad exe, a command window opens but it immediately closes after opening. What am I doing wrong? :rolleyes:

Frederick

09-15-2011, 06:28 PM

Whenever I try to open the Dodecad exe, a command window opens but it immediately closes after opening. What am I doing wrong? :rolleyes:

You need to have "R" installed.
And then you open the "R" exe.

Seems like you never did this before, so you need to "standarize" your genomefile first.

Here are some selected lines from the "Read Me":

2. Download and install R (http://www.r-project.org/) if you haven't done so
already.

3. Download and unzip your genotype data file from 23andMe or FamilyTreeDNA
into the working directory (The directory with the DiY stuff and files in). This should be a file ending in .txt for 23andMe
and .csv for
FamilyTreeDNA.

From now on, I will suppose that your genotype file is named 'johndoe.txt' or
'johndoe.csv'

4. Launch R.

Once R is running, it will give you a command prompt where you can enter
commands. First, you must change the directory to your working directory.

You can do this from the File -> Change dir menu in Windows

Then, enter:

source('standardize.r')

This loads a small program that will convert your data from the
company-specific format to a common format in the next step.

5. At the R prompt, enter:

a. If you have 23andMe data (either v2 or v3 chip):

standardize('johndoe.txt', company='23andMe')

Then your genomefile is "stardarized", wich you will need for all other experiments you ever do with DIY.

And then you type system('DIYDodecadWin test.par') to run it with this latest Eurogenes run. (make sure you downloaded this https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B9o3EYTdM8lQZjY5MDQyMmYtZTg3My00YmJkLWE1ZDg tNTQ5YWVmOTViYTJh&hl=en_US and extract it into the "Working directory)

This line instead: system('DIYDodecadWin dv3.par') would run your Dodecad results btw.

Barreldriver

09-15-2011, 07:56 PM

Bah, I have not winrar to unpack the .rar's for the initial DIY programs or the patience to mess around with 'em. :(

Scrapple

09-15-2011, 08:53 PM

Bah, I have not winrar to unpack the .rar's for the initial DIY programs or the patience to mess around with 'em. :(

http://www.7-zip.org/ will work on .rar files.

Damião de Góis

09-15-2011, 09:35 PM

65.04% West_Euro
13.71% Northeast_Euro
11.51% East_Mediterranean
5.36% Middle_Eastern
2.03% Berber
1.84% Sub-Saharan
0.28% Southeast_Asian
0.23% West_Asian

0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Volga-Ural

Barreldriver

09-15-2011, 10:09 PM

http://www.7-zip.org/ will work on .rar files.

Completely forgot about this used to have much of these sorts of things on my laptop but I had a number of foul ups resulting in a restore to factory default. :P

Will post my results once I get all this stuff reinstalled and organized.

Aviane

09-15-2011, 10:21 PM

That map has a huge overlap of Germany, Lower Countries, Kent and an undefined part of France.

I guess Johnston can keep his dream of West-Germanic unity. ;)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14658&stc=1&d=1315320704

I agree with this the countries mentioned cluster altogether.

Completely forgot about this used to have much of these sorts of things on my laptop but I had a number of foul ups resulting in a restore to factory default. :P

Will post my results once I get all this stuff reinstalled and organized.

It's good to hear from you as being another member.

Barreldriver

09-15-2011, 10:49 PM

I must be retarded as I cannot get R to work and thus cannot run the DIY or the Eurogenes add ons. :P Still stuck at the standardize.r phase. :(

EDIT:

nvm, found I had the wrong directory selected. bwahaha

Barreldriver

09-15-2011, 11:16 PM

Alright, I got DIY Dodecad to work but how do I get the Eurogenes part to work? Trying to substitute test.par for the DIYDodecadwin dv3.par but it is not working. :(

Edit:

I'm an idiot, reread the blog and found out how to do it, my results:

28.59% Northeast_Euro
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.08% Berber
0.36% South_Asian
55.67% West_Euro
0.01% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.02% East_Siberian
0.02% East_Asian
5.44% East_Mediterranean
1.70% Middle_Eastern
6.04% West_Asian
2.06% Volga-Ural

Frederick

09-15-2011, 11:27 PM

:thumb001: Fought and won, Barreldriver!

Frederick

09-15-2011, 11:33 PM

[/B]By the way, could some of you do a K=12 (without Volga-Ural and Northeast Euro)? I'm curious to see how those results compare with this (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/05/asian-genetic-ancestry-in-northern.html). Here are mine:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7775/novu2.jpg

Mine look like this, if I remove the Russian and Chuvash cluster:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.01% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
2.08% South_Asian
70.53% West_Euro
0.03% Southeast_Asian
1.58% South_Siberian
1.02% North_Asian
1.53% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
3.88% East_Mediterranean
5.15% Middle_Eastern
14.18% West_Asian

CPU time = 416.88 sec

that was the original:

My results in that K14, test tool:

35.26% Northeast_Euro
0.04% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.01% South_Asian
49.38% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.01% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
2.32% East_Mediterranean
3.69% Middle_Eastern
5.14% West_Asian
4.15% Volga-Ural

Barreldriver

09-15-2011, 11:40 PM

:thumb001: Fought and won, Barreldriver!

:D Good thing I lost my hammer for a while I was getting pissed.

I like how the clusters are made up on this compared to Dodecad alone, the NW and Paeo African I scored with Dodecad with this I believe to show up as Berber, coincidentally I have a Mid East score over 1% so the Berber and that I'd think to go hand in hand since it peaks in Saudi's.

Frederick

09-15-2011, 11:42 PM

Berber....
Has Polako updated the file?
Mine says "NOrth African" instead of "Berber".
Need to check.

Barreldriver

09-15-2011, 11:45 PM

Berber....
Has Polako updated the file?
Mine says "NOrth African" instead of "Berber".
Need to check.

Mine says Berber so he might have updated.

Frederick

09-15-2011, 11:57 PM

Mine says Berber so he might have updated.

Yes he did. I just checked.
But I get absolute identical values (except tht "North African" is now named "Berber"). At least at the normal run. (havnt checked if its still the case if that Eastern European (Russian) and Volga-Ural (Chuvash) cluster are removed.

Scrapple

09-16-2011, 12:09 AM

Rochefaton

09-16-2011, 04:19 AM

I got bored, so I ran the raw data of my sister and brother-in-law:

Sister:
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

29.70% Northeast_Euro
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.12% N. African
0.90% South_Asian
58.86% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
2.12% East_Mediterranean
0.57% Middle_Eastern
6.13% West_Asian
1.60% Volga-Ural

Brother-in-law:
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

30.32% Northeast_Euro
0.19% Sub-Saharan
0.00% N. African
1.31% South_Asian
54.84% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.01% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.16% East_Siberian
0.02% East_Asian
4.79% East_Mediterranean
1.18% Middle_Eastern
5.19% West_Asian
1.97% Volga-Ural

Pallantides

09-16-2011, 09:27 AM

NO1 - West Norwegian
NO2 - Me
NO3 - East Norwegian

West_Euro

NO1 - 56.33%
NO2 - 54.94%
NO3 - 57.08%

Northeast_Euro

NO1 - 34.36%
NO2 - 33.24%
NO3 - 31.36%

West_Asian

NO1 - 4.37%
NO2 - 5.09%
NO3 - 4.78%

Volga-Ural

NO1 - 3.23%
NO2 - 5.84%
NO3 - 4.97%

East_Siberian

NO1 - 0.00%
NO2 - 0.27%
NO3 - 0.94%

Middle_Eastern

NO1 - 0.25%
NO2 - 0.00%
NO3 - 0.64%

East_Mediterranean

NO1 - 0.59%
NO2 - 0.00%
NO3 - 0.01%

Southeast_Asian

NO1 - 0.57%
NO2 - 0.00%
NO3 - 0.00%

North_Asian

NO1 - 0.00%
NO2 - 0.51%
NO3 - 0.01%

South_Asian

NO1 - 0.19%
NO2 - 0.02%
NO3 - 0.01%

South Siberian

NO1 - 0.00%
NO2 - 0.00%
NO3 - 0.20%

East_Asian

NO1 - 0.00%
NO2 - 0.09%
NO3 - 0.00%

Sub-Saharan

NO1 - 0.09%
NO2 - 0.00%
NO3 - 0.00%

Damião de Góis

09-27-2011, 09:44 PM

IBS 200K, my top 30:

North_Italian 0.738927
Tuscan 0.738918
FR 0.738794
US57 0.738792
DE13 0.738619
US131 0.738412
North_Italian 0.738392
US8 0.738301
Kent 0.738097
PL11 0.738096
US78 0.738017
North_Italian 0.738
US140 0.737993
US231 0.73795
Cornwall 0.737928
NO6 0.737914
Kent 0.737897
FR7 0.737892
Cornwall 0.737876
Tuscan 0.737864
NL3 0.737846
ES16 0.73784
US63 0.737804
US246 0.737797
US188 0.737779
DK3 0.737774
DEUK1 0.737771
ES 0.737738
HU 0.737732
IE20 0.737727

Lisa

09-27-2011, 11:54 PM

Whom to believe? Polako or Dienikis... :rolleyes:

Kadu

09-27-2011, 11:58 PM

Whom to believe? Polako or Dienikis... :rolleyes:

Different perspectives but convergent results.

Loki

09-28-2011, 11:01 AM

New results out from Polako:

Genetic similarity matrix including 1800+ project members and reference samples (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/09/genetic-similarity-matrix-including.html)

I've done Boudica's Top 30 matches (US245):

US245 1
Kent 0.740478
Kent 0.740287
CA3 0.740153
US18 0.740038
FR 0.739905
NO7 0.739756
Kent 0.73975
US32 0.73967
US255 0.739637
IE8 0.739592
US164 0.739538
US92 0.739534
UK9 0.7395
FCA2 0.739481
US140 0.739347
IE16 0.739325
US88 0.739321
US110 0.739302
US165 0.739276
FR 0.739266
CA13 0.739263
Kent 0.739259
NO2 0.739237
FR 0.739194
Cornwall 0.739175
Kent 0.739108
DE9 0.739067
US105 0.739051
HU 0.739045

Loki

09-28-2011, 11:09 AM

My top 30:

SAEU1 1
US74 0.739493
US185 0.739389
US67 0.739264
Cornwall 0.738907
HU 0.738895
Kent 0.73871
DE8 0.738688
FR2 0.738661
UK28 0.738625
SE1 0.738604
US167 0.738414
US70 0.738395
IE6 0.738352
US37 0.738315
US132 0.738293
IE20 0.738268
IE15 0.73822
Kent 0.738218
US56 0.738218
RH1 0.738214
US39 0.738196
UK4 0.738194
DE9 0.73817
US104 0.738148
US41 0.738135
Kate_Morley 0.738127
ES 0.738116
Kent 0.738114
UK38 0.738103
Kent 0.738032

Loki

09-28-2011, 11:20 AM

Peasant Top 30:

UK41 1
CA5 0.741032
Kate_Morley 0.740906
Luke_Jostins 0.740853
Kent 0.740812
IE3 0.740768
IE14 0.740716
US88 0.740621
UK4 0.740609
IE20 0.740604
US26 0.740539
PL16 0.740524
UK30 0.740465
US193 0.740457
FR 0.740453
US63 0.740361
Cornwall 0.740347
AT2 0.740205
PLSK1 0.740173
US48 0.740172
Kent 0.740153
US105 0.740151
US115 0.740146
US255 0.740142
UK19 0.740111
Cornwall 0.740054
IE15 0.739975
DE14 0.739966
US37 0.739948
Kent 0.739918
US165 0.739864

I won't be able to take more requests now unfortunately, going to bed.

Peasant

09-28-2011, 11:29 AM

Frederick

09-28-2011, 03:52 PM

My Top 30 without Colonials:

Kent 0.741383
PL1 0.740344 (Polako)
IE8 0.740306
Kent 0.740262
LT 0.740246
IE16 0.740206
DK3 0.740114
DE14 0.739911
Kent 0.73985
DE9 0.739808
NO6 0.739763
UK22 0.739756
IE20 0.739741
DE5 0.739678
Kent 0.739663
UK32 0.739611
Cornwall 0.739601
UK29 0.739579
FR2 0.739522
Cornwall 0.739478
RU43 0.739475
PLSK1 0.739439
Kent 0.739403
UARUPL1 0.739396
RU11 0.73938
PL4 0.73938
SE1 0.739356
FR 0.739344
DE1 0.739313
NO7 0.739297

5x Kent
4x Germany
3x Ireland
3x UK
2.8x Poland
2.3x Russia
2x Norway
2x Cornwall
2x France
1x Lithuania
1x Denmark
1x Sweden
0.5x Slovakia
0.3x Ukraine

Graham

09-28-2011, 04:19 PM

Top 30 without US etc..
UK19
UK3 0.742007
UK8 0.741462
Kent 0.741101
UK37 0.741058
IE3 0.740962
UK1 0.740875
Cornwall 0.740834
SW_Scot 0.740626
PL5 0.740582
UK25 0.740568
Cornwall 0.740567
IE18 0.740516
FR 0.740496
DE1 0.740449
IE20 0.740442
DE12 0.740392
SE7 0.7403
Cornwall 0.740288
SE4 0.740276
UK28 0.740267
NO10 0.740251
Cornwall 0.740224
Cornwall 0.740208
FR 0.740205
DESK1 0.740164
Cornwall 0.740153
Kent 0.740153
UK41 0.740111
Kent 0.740052
UK38 0.740014

Frederick

09-28-2011, 04:27 PM

On request....

Sahsons top 30, without colonials:

DEIE2 0.740699
Kent 0.740496
IE4 0.740494
Cornwall 0.740004
SE15 0.739861
DE17 0.739787
FR8 0.739768
IE16 0.739625
SE16 0.739499
NL6 0.739436
UK37 0.739379
PLSK1 0.739314
HU 0.739254
PL1 0.739246 (Polako)
SE14 0.73923
Mordvin 0.739197
IE21 0.73919
NL3 0.739029
PL15 0.739024
Cornwall 0.739004
SW_Scot 0.738981
UK6 0.738951
SENO1 0.738948
Cornwall 0.738929
Cornwall 0.738887
Kent 0.738867
IE9 0.738841
Kent 0.73879
RUUA1 0.73878
Kent 0.738743

4.5x Ireland
4x Cornwall
4x Kent
3.5x Sweden
2x UK
2.5x Poland
2x Netherlands
1.5x Germany
1x Scottland
1x France
1x Hungary
0.5x Norway
0.5x Slovakia
0.5x Russia
0.5x Ukraine

Humanophage

09-28-2011, 04:42 PM

To population averages (without colonials)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/IBSsimilarity.jpg

To individuals
RU38 0.741097
BY 0.740445
LT2 0.740443
UA3 0.740304
PL3 0.740201
RU40 0.74014
PL14 0.740049
PLSK1 0.740044
UA 0.740032
US189 0.73998
UKCEU2 0.739857
BY 0.739856
LT 0.73985
RU4 0.739739
RU25 0.739603
RU39 0.739596
North_Russian 0.739525
Kent 0.739523
PLUA1 0.739509
Kent 0.739462
NL4 0.739438
LT3 0.739427
LT 0.739418
RU6 0.739375
LT 0.739371
PL13 0.739368
Kent 0.739365
PL11 0.739275
UA 0.739274
US253 0.739255
UA 0.739252
RU 0.739243
RUUA1 0.739234
NO2 0.739205
UA 0.739134
PL1 0.739118
PL7 0.739089
US206 0.739086

Kadu

09-28-2011, 04:48 PM

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/IBSsimilarity.jpg

That's such a fancy graphy, can I have one like that?:D
I'm PT1.

Pallantides

09-28-2011, 04:49 PM

I want a fancy graph aswell.:D

I'm NO2.

Frederick

09-28-2011, 05:12 PM

Make me one too. DE8 :)

Humanophage

09-28-2011, 07:54 PM

Sure, but I am insufficiently skilled to automate the process, and it's a little time-consuming to do it manually. Perhaps Rochefaton will come up with something.

Kadu
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/PT01Kadu.jpg
(it seems normal for the Portuguese to score fairly low with the Portuguese here, AlexDelarge has the same thing)

Pallantides
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/NO2Pallantides.jpg

Frederick
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/DE08Frederick.jpg

Sahson
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/UK45Sahson.jpg

Average ethnic IBS similarity by Day Tripper: http://www.box.net/shared/3yis6k3hzmtov30c1qye
A map of distances by Humanist:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=108578&d=1317173439

Loki

09-28-2011, 07:57 PM

@ Humanophage - do you perhaps have a mapping table for me from ID to nationality? :) Since you seem to already have done one it could save me some time.

Barreldriver

09-28-2011, 08:17 PM

I ain't even got around to lookin' at mine yet. :P

Humanophage

09-28-2011, 08:18 PM

@ Humanophage - do you perhaps have a mapping table for me from ID to nationality? :) Since you seem to already have done one it could save me some time.
Well, I just removed all the numbers automatically and manually made pivot tables for each member. Rather inefficient, but I cannot at present devise a better method, as I am short on time.

Loki
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/SAEU1Loki.jpg

Damião de Góis

09-28-2011, 08:35 PM

My graph:

http://oi54.tinypic.com/15ed6wg.jpg

d3cimat3d

09-28-2011, 08:38 PM

What does IBS similarity even mean & how did Polako determine which population is closer to who?

...Also can someone do one for me :p? MD1

Frederick

09-28-2011, 10:21 PM

better explanation below

Pallantides

09-28-2011, 10:25 PM

Pallantides
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/NO2Pallantides.jpg

Thanks man:thumb001:

Transhumanist

09-28-2011, 10:46 PM

What does IBS similarity even mean

IBS stands for (http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=21#721) Identical By State, meaning the DNA matches either because it comes from a common ancestor (Identical By Descent - IBD) or by coincidence. When two individuals share numerous individual results without being related, those results are IBS. Only when enough consecutive results are identical do we identify the shared segment as likely being IBD.

IBS ~ Ancient sharing
IBD = Common ancestry (extending back a few centuries, for most populations)

Frederick

09-28-2011, 11:05 PM

I wonder why I am closest to the average of those 2 Austrians, while no one of those 2 Austrians is amoung my 30 closest?

And Lithuanians as second, with only one of 10 Lithuanians in the top 30? Hmm

Imperivm

09-28-2011, 11:19 PM

Could somebody run the latest tools with my Eurogenes please? I'm UK35. :)

Electronic God-Man

09-28-2011, 11:27 PM

Yep, I don't really know how to figure this out either. I'm US2...could someone help me out?

Imperivm

09-28-2011, 11:43 PM

Yep, I don't really know how to figure this out either. I'm US2...could someone help me out?

You're just being lazy - while I'm disabled. I have a mac. :thumb001:

Odoacer

09-28-2011, 11:48 PM

I'm a little lost. Are we supposed to run this data through DIY Dodecad now? :confused:

Trog

09-29-2011, 12:01 AM

Loki/whomever, can you do a run for me, please. Thanks. UK39

Quasimodem

09-29-2011, 05:46 AM

Who wants to plotted here? It's based on the IBS scores.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/570/cline2.jpg

Basically a cline of affinity to Mediterraneans or Near Easterners, I think. Just tell me your ID.

Kadu

09-29-2011, 05:47 AM

Who wants to plotted here? It's based on the IBS scores.

Me, please. PT1 here.

Quasimodem

09-29-2011, 06:03 AM

Me, please. PT1 here.

You're on the North Italian level:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2295/clinept1.jpg

Humanophage

09-29-2011, 07:29 AM

I'll try to make graphs tomorrow, a bit busy today.

Quasimodem, could you add RU44 please?

I wonder why I am closest to the average of those 2 Austrians, while no one of those 2 Austrians is amoung my 30 closest?

And Lithuanians as second, with only one of 10 Lithuanians in the top 30? Hmm
That is because some Germans are dissimilar to you. One of the Germans is 0.734813, another is 0.736583. None of the Lithuanians are as different, and most are equally close. Same thing with Austrians.

d3cimat3d

09-29-2011, 08:18 AM

IBS stands for Identical By State, meaning the DNA matches either because it comes from a common ancestor (Identical By Descent - IBD) or by coincidence. When two individuals share numerous individual results without being related, those results are IBS. Only when enough consecutive results are identical do we identify the shared segment as likely being IBD.

Oh, so it's a bit like 23andme's ancestry finder?

Loki

09-29-2011, 07:10 PM

Well, I just removed all the numbers automatically and manually made pivot tables for each member. Rather inefficient, but I cannot at present devise a better method, as I am short on time.

Loki
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/SAEU1Loki.jpg

I'm wondering how you got these results ... when I look at the raw data, it seems (for example) that I am closer to the Belgian average than the Danish one. Also, sample sizes play a huge role here ...

SAEU1 Match 1
40 DK2 0.737904
65 DK3 0.737663
196 DKUS1 0.736981
259 DK4 0.736691
298 DKUK1 0.736549
607 DKUK2 0.735339

SAEU1 Match 1
111 BE2 0.737388
173 BE3 0.737073

There are only two Belgian samples, but I have a higher average to them.

EDIT: I see you must have omitted the DKUS ones, fair enough. So on the DK only I am still closest.

Dutch:

SAEU1 Match 1
67 NL2 0.737636
247 NL4 0.73675
262 NL6 0.736683
300 NL5 0.736532
301 NL1 0.736522
557 NL3 0.735554

Germans:

SAEU1 Match 1
7 DE8 0.738688
23 DE9 0.73817
38 DEIE2 0.737932
42 DEPL2 0.737896
43 DEUK1 0.737895
51 DEIT1 0.73776
85 DEUK4 0.737504
89 DE11 0.737494
101 DE14 0.737444
108 DESOR1 0.737414
114 DE12 0.737382
131 DENO1 0.737306
189 DE17 0.736999
205 DESEUK1 0.736941
238 DEPL1 0.736796
239 DEUK3 0.73679
256 DE1 0.736702
326 DE5 0.736435
328 DEUS1 0.736428
346 DEIE1 0.736372
350 DERU1 0.736358
376 DE15 0.736257
428 DEUK2 0.736061
491 DE7 0.735798
507 DE13 0.73574
519 DE16 0.735695
541 DESK1 0.735601
570 DE10 0.735499

Loki

09-29-2011, 07:17 PM

Loki/whomever, can you do a run for me, please. Thanks. UK39

Sorcha, your closest matches (excluding colonials):

UK39 1
DE9 0.740546
IE21 0.739789
Kent 0.739735
Kent 0.739426
DENO1 0.73939
UKUS2 0.739312
UK21 0.73922
UK23 0.739151
FR 0.739098
UK1 0.739097
Cornwall 0.739058
IE20 0.738996
IE8 0.738897
Cornwall 0.738817
SENO1 0.738771
UK4 0.738704
UK38 0.738634
Kent 0.738585
Cornwall 0.738583
DESK1 0.73858
Kent 0.738526
NOUS2 0.7385
Cornwall 0.738453
UK28 0.738453
FR 0.738452
Cornwall 0.738451
LT 0.738447
IE5 0.738419
IE7 0.738395
NO5 0.738385

Damião de Góis

09-29-2011, 08:27 PM

Who wants to plotted here? It's based on the IBS scores.

Me, if possible :)
PT2

Trog

09-30-2011, 12:07 AM

Sorcha, your closest matches (excluding colonials):

UK39 1
DE9 0.740546
IE21 0.739789
Kent 0.739735
Kent 0.739426
DENO1 0.73939
UKUS2 0.739312
UK21 0.73922
UK23 0.739151
FR 0.739098
UK1 0.739097
Cornwall 0.739058
IE20 0.738996
IE8 0.738897
Cornwall 0.738817
SENO1 0.738771
UK4 0.738704
UK38 0.738634
Kent 0.738585
Cornwall 0.738583
DESK1 0.73858
Kent 0.738526
NOUS2 0.7385
Cornwall 0.738453
UK28 0.738453
FR 0.738452
Cornwall 0.738451
LT 0.738447
IE5 0.738419
IE7 0.738395
NO5 0.738385

Thx. Any of these forum members?

Barreldriver

09-30-2011, 12:10 AM

May I request a run too? :D I am US83.

Quasimodem

09-30-2011, 01:11 AM

No need anymore for those obsolete plots. This is better...

You can find the (warning: very big) 2D plot of Europe with everyone added in here (http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1408/geoflip.png).

A smaller version for overview. (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8127/geoflipsmall.png)

Loki

09-30-2011, 02:08 AM

Thx. Any of these forum members?

Not sure. I had a look at your further results, and Osweo (UK20) comes in at #66 for you. I'm #447. ;)

Loki

09-30-2011, 02:17 AM

May I request a run too? :D I am US83.

Your top 30 closest, excluding colonials:

IE4 0.739682
NO10 0.73944
Cornwall 0.739293
DEIE2 0.739292
DE17 0.738948
NO6 0.738923
UK19 0.738918
UK20 0.738864
Kent 0.738835
UK9 0.738826
UK38 0.738666
Kent 0.738626
Kent 0.738574
Daniel_MacArthur 0.738514
UA 0.738512
North_Italian 0.738506
UK29 0.738461
SE6 0.738458
NOUS2 0.738456
LT 0.738428
FRBE1 0.738392
UK25 0.738386
Kent 0.738364
DK3 0.738317
SENO1 0.738299
SE1 0.738291
Kent 0.738276
LT 0.73826
Cornwall 0.738241
NL4 0.738233

Quasimodem

09-30-2011, 02:28 AM

I forgot the Basque guy, so here's the plot with the Basque guy included: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1586/geoflip2.png

And the coordinates: http://www.box.net/shared/9ck4cg0qdp87pre9irgn

EDIT: To summarize, the process was...

 Load the IBS matrix with the following as components (i.e. the columns of the matrix), but only the Europeans of that group as the data points (i.e. the rows of the matrix):

Spanish (SW)
French (W)
Italian, N Italian and Tuscan (S)
Irish and Cornwall (NW)
Scandinavian (N)
Ukrainian and Mordvin (E)
Bulgarian and Greek (SE)
Cypriot and Turkish (ESE)
Adyghe, Chechens and Lezgins (North Caucasus)

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9372/try2c.jpg

Use the loadings of that plot to calculate coordinates for the rest of the Euros. However, since the originals on the plot are enormously boosted to their areas of the plot by their self-IBS scores of 1, you have to find a relationship of the original coordinate of some test-case original individuals with where they’d be if their own IBS score was changed to the average within-population IBS (minus the “1” values). It’s best to use samples from around the center of each extreme (i.e. furthest north, south, east, and west) population and use them to find the equations for the new individuals:

New Axis 1 coordinate = (2.176556872*Axis 1 coordinate) + 0.010960173
New Axis 2 coordinate = (3.407532703*Axis 2 coordinate) + 0.029440434

And then just flip Axis 1 and Axis 2, multiply the coordinates of the New Axis 2 by -1, and it looks geographical.

Odoacer

09-30-2011, 03:29 AM

So, oddly, I (US239) end up right on top of Loki (SAEU1) in this plot:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=340&pictureid=2642

(Circled in red, down & right of the massive British cluster.)

Our respective coordinates:

US239 -0.017583129 0.019062536
SAEU1 -0.017843137 0.019057021

I still don't know how to figure out my closest matches with Polako's most recent data. Can someone tell me how? I'll give you some rep points. ;)

Boudica

09-30-2011, 04:09 AM

Can I have a chart please, or a list with out colonials? :D US245

Loki

09-30-2011, 04:52 AM

Can I have a chart please, or a list with out colonials? :D US245

I posted you the list without colonials on Skype chat :p

US245 1
1 Kent 0.740478
2 Kent 0.740287
3 FR 0.739905
4 NO7 0.739756
5 Kent 0.73975
6 IE8 0.739592
7 UK9 0.7395
8 FCA2 0.739481
9 IE16 0.739325
10 FR 0.739266
11 Kent 0.739259
12 NO2 0.739237
13 FR 0.739194
14 Cornwall 0.739175
15 Kent 0.739108
16 DE9 0.739067
17 HU 0.739045
18 FR 0.739006
19 FR2 0.738994
20 UK21 0.738954
21 Kent 0.738919
22 Kent 0.738914
23 DEIE2 0.738903
24 BY2 0.7389
25 Kate_Morley 0.73889
26 IE3 0.738887
27 UK22 0.738867
28 Kent 0.738805
29 UK3 0.738755
30 Cornwall 0.73874

Boudica

09-30-2011, 04:55 AM

I posted you the list without colonials on Skype chat :p

US245 1
1 Kent 0.740478
2 Kent 0.740287
3 FR 0.739905
4 NO7 0.739756
5 Kent 0.73975
6 IE8 0.739592
7 UK9 0.7395
8 FCA2 0.739481
9 IE16 0.739325
10 FR 0.739266
11 Kent 0.739259
12 NO2 0.739237
13 FR 0.739194
14 Cornwall 0.739175
15 Kent 0.739108
16 DE9 0.739067
17 HU 0.739045
18 FR 0.739006
19 FR2 0.738994
20 UK21 0.738954
21 Kent 0.738919
22 Kent 0.738914
23 DEIE2 0.738903
24 BY2 0.7389
25 Kate_Morley 0.73889
26 IE3 0.738887
27 UK22 0.738867
28 Kent 0.738805
29 UK3 0.738755
30 Cornwall 0.73874

Hehe thanks loks :P I know, but I lost it because I'm not on that computer :P

Loki

09-30-2011, 07:40 AM

So, oddly, I (US239) end up right on top of Loki (SAEU1) in this plot:

Yes I saw that! :) I was wondering who US239 was! :p

Here are your top 30 with colonials:

US239 1
1 US46 0.740032
2 SE1 0.739881
3 US123 0.739874
4 UK33 0.73985
5 US230 0.739814
6 Kent 0.739755
7 IE16 0.739669
8 BG 0.739534
9 SE15 0.739382
10 US78 0.739287
11 Kent 0.739255
12 IE21 0.739229
13 UK32 0.739225
14 Kent 0.739167
15 Kent 0.739158
16 Cornwall 0.739136
17 DEIE2 0.739083
18 Cornwall 0.739066
19 UKDE1 0.739064
20 FR 0.739055
21 UK21 0.739012
22 DESK1 0.73894
23 FRBE1 0.738929
24 UA 0.738874
25 UK4 0.738863
26 IE15 0.738862
27 US56 0.738859
28 Luke_Jostins 0.738847
29 DE14 0.738827
30 Cornwall 0.738798

Without colonials:

US239 1
1 SE1 0.739881
2 UK33 0.73985
3 Kent 0.739755
4 IE16 0.739669
5 BG 0.739534
6 SE15 0.739382
7 Kent 0.739255
8 IE21 0.739229
9 UK32 0.739225
10 Kent 0.739167
11 Kent 0.739158
12 Cornwall 0.739136
13 DEIE2 0.739083
14 Cornwall 0.739066
15 UKDE1 0.739064
16 FR 0.739055
17 UK21 0.739012
18 DESK1 0.73894
19 FRBE1 0.738929
20 UA 0.738874
21 UK4 0.738863
22 IE15 0.738862
23 Luke_Jostins 0.738847
24 DE14 0.738827
25 Cornwall 0.738798
26 IE20 0.738766
27 DEUK1 0.738765
28 Kent 0.73873
29 EE3 0.738727
30 NO7 0.738708

(even without colonials (US and CA) I only slot in at #419 to you, which is odd that we appear on the same spot)

d3cimat3d

09-30-2011, 08:00 AM

Interesting how you could, with slight modification, arrange the Europe map over it and it would be close.

http://i52.tinypic.com/54xfly.png

Quickly drew this in less than 1 minute, so don't neg rep me that I can't draw Europe! :D

& I'm MD1 by the way- I think I barely registered as European. I wonder where Turks would be on this?

Loki

09-30-2011, 08:06 AM

I still don't know how to figure out my closest matches with Polako's most recent data. Can someone tell me how? I'll give you some rep points. ;)

You just filter on your ID, transpose the lot and then sort from highest to lowest value in Excel. :)

Humanophage

09-30-2011, 09:14 AM

Load the IBS matrix with the following as components (i.e. the columns of the matrix), but only the Europeans of that group as the data points (i.e. the rows of the matrix):

Spanish (SW)
French (W)
Italian, N Italian and Tuscan (S)
Irish and Cornwall (NW)
Scandinavian (N)
Ukrainian and Mordvin (E)
Bulgarian and Greek (SE)
Cypriot and Turkish (ESE)
Adyghe, Chechens and Lezgins (North Caucasus)
Why not use an extreme Eastern population like the Chuvash, considering there are extra-European southeastern populations?

Boudica

09-30-2011, 09:25 AM

Contra Mundum

09-30-2011, 09:27 AM

I just ordered 23andme. Will they give a break down of my ethnic heritage?

Humanophage

09-30-2011, 09:36 AM

Interesting how the Dutch are spread very broadly. While Russians largely fit on one screen. I'm not sure it's a good idea to use important populations to be analysed as reference points, except if there is no choice (such as with the Irish).

It is not a surprise that Ukrainians will fit Eastern Europe and Scandinavians will fit Northern Europe and Italians will fit Southern Europe on the map, because they were placed there specifically as reference populations. So I'd imagine it's more useful for those populations which weren't used as references, especially those that aren't obviously related. It would be useful for Romanians, Dutchmen or the Portuguese, and they end up fairly spread up.

Haha, I don't think that I can see mine, I'm US245, perhaps i'm in the humongous area of clustering/overlapping. lol.
You're in the French cluster here, next to BE2, US244, FR, FR, FR, FCA3 and so forth: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1586/geoflip2.png

Boudica

09-30-2011, 10:13 AM

Interesting how the Dutch are spread very broadly. While Russians largely fit on one screen. I'm not sure it's a good idea to use important populations to be analysed as reference points, except if there is no choice (such as with the Irish).

It is not a surprise that Ukrainians will fit Eastern Europe and Scandinavians will fit Northern Europe and Italians will fit Southern Europe on the map, because they were placed there specifically as reference populations. So I'd imagine it's more useful for those populations which weren't used as references, especially those that aren't obviously related. It would be useful for Romanians, Dutchmen or the Portuguese, and they end up fairly spread up.

You're in the French cluster here, next to BE2, US244, FR, FR, FR, FCA3 and so forth: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1586/geoflip2.png
Thanks :D I wonder who FCA3 is, they seem to be very close.

Loki

09-30-2011, 10:45 AM

Interesting how the Dutch are spread very broadly.

As I can see there are only 5 Dutch samples. We will need way more to make a conclusive judgement on that.

Pallantides

09-30-2011, 11:27 AM

Peasant

09-30-2011, 12:06 PM

Odoacer

09-30-2011, 02:39 PM

You just filter on your ID, transpose the lot and then sort from highest to lowest value in Excel. :)

I'll try it out later, thanks Loki. :thumb001:

Hussar

10-02-2011, 10:13 AM

Finally i found the time and the will to run my own results (and thanks a portuguese friend of this forum :) )

It's EUROGENES (West Eurasian sub-structure : 14 clusters)

(i pointed out the 3 main components)

20.32% Northeast_Euro
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% Berber
0.09% South_Asian
45.33% West_Euro
0.03% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
25.84% East_Mediterranean
3.71% Middle_Eastern
3.39% West_Asian
1.29% Volga-Ural

d3cimat3d

10-03-2011, 09:42 AM

Haha, I don't think that I can see mine, I'm US245, perhaps i'm in the humongous area of clustering/overlapping. lol.

Yeah, you seem average for an American, clustering with the N-W Europeans.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2183/ancestrymap.png

This is the best map I could produce to depict the ancestral stock of "white Americans". There is a lot of data on this subject from the census.

-- I got all the data behind these maps from the Census 1980 Ancestry report. [1980 was the first year that "What is this person's ancestry?" was asked].

-- Here are some simple choropleth maps of distributions of ancestry groups in the USA. And a map of the most-numerous ancestry-group reported for each county. I'm sure most people have seen these or similar maps at some point...my goal was sort of to convey the information in all those maps in a single map.

-- The best/only(?) way to convey overall-ancestry by state in a single map was the "mean center" map I created. This was tricky to figure out in ArcMap and was a big timesink in general, but I'm happy with it. Basically the concept is that a spatial average is calculated for all the country-of-ancestry centroids, but all the dots are weighted [given more "pull"] by the population I assigned them (which I took from the 1980 census). Here is an image of a more well-known application of the mean-center technique...

-- Here is an image of the file I created of all the centroids of various population groups, which was step one in creating the state dots. (Most are centroids for countries, but some I assigned based on outside knowledge, e.g. the Basque dot sitting in the north of Spain... And yes, I included Arab countries and Iran, since the U.S. Census apparently classifies them as white.)

Other comments:
Most people who have been in the USA for multiple generations have more than one country of ancestral origin. But most people only gave one response was given to the ancestry question on the census form. Hopefully it all more-or-less evened out, since the numbers being dealt with here are so large (200 million people). The census allowed multiple reporting, and lots of people reported several. In compiling the data I weighted a multiple response as 0.5 and a single response as 1.0...

Some would criticize the idea that the mean-center map is valid in this case, because, for example, the number of people of French in Hawaii is probably very low: Yet the mean-center for Hawaii is in France. I think those criticisms are not valid, because if someone understands the concept they will rightly see this map as relative, and broad patterns can be seen (especially compared to the "USA" dot).

1. North Dakota is the most Scandinavian state, followed by Minnesota.

2. Rhode Island's mean-center is furthest south (apparently because of the large number of Portuguese who settled there), followed by New Mexico (a large share of Spanish). New York and New Jersey are also far south from their large number of Italians. Hawaii is pretty far south, I wasn't expecting that. It looks like a lot more Portuguese went there than I would expect.

3. California is exactly average except has a larger pull southward, obviously from white Hispanics but also from numerous other immigrant groups, like Armenians, Iranians, and so on.

(One other thing of interest is the lack of many people at all willing to claim "Belgian" ancestry. This is because there are no Belgians, only a few million southern Dutch and a few million French who share a state, for some bizarre historical reason.)

- - -

Source (http://petercartography310.blogspot.com/2008/12/final-project.html)

d3cimat3d

10-08-2011, 07:26 AM

According to this I'm a Turk (MD1):

http://i53.tinypic.com/15881nr.png

Anyways if Anatolian Turks (the ones with little or no Mong infleunce) were included they would be somewhere near Kuwait or perhaps even as far as Qatar.

*edit: found the older one that includes Turks:

http://i56.tinypic.com/elefeu.png

Have to flip it 90 degrees to correlate with the map

http://i51.tinypic.com/2qtuxcx.png

Damião de Góis

10-08-2011, 06:59 PM

It's interesting how this map almost corelates with my McDonald Map. I'm PT2:

http://i53.tinypic.com/15881nr.png

http://oi54.tinypic.com/8zdw0k.jpg

Hussar

10-15-2011, 08:09 PM

Eurogenes K-10

(14 october)

main components :

West/southwest euro = 46,0%

North/east euro = 24,4%

Mediterranean/middle = 14,3%

West Asian = 14,2%

Loki

10-15-2011, 08:50 PM

Me (I had to run it through Dienekes' calculator since I wasn't included in the spreadsheet):

41.41% Orange (North + East European)
37.29% Green (Southwest + West European)
8.92% Pink (West Asian)
7.33% Aqua Green (Mediterranean + Middle Eastern)
2.12% Dark Blue (Sub-Saharan African)
0.99% Red (South Asian)
0.97% Purple (Southeast Asian)
0.61% Blue (East Asian)
0.32% Yellow (Northeast African)
0.03% Aqua Blue (North Asian)

Scrapple

10-15-2011, 09:24 PM

Me (through DIYDodecad)
0.04% S_Asian
53.17% N_E_Euro
0.00% NE_African
29.16% SW_W_Euro
8.77% Med_ME
0.64% N_Asian
0.00% E_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
0.29% SE_Asian
7.93% W_Asian

Rochefaton

10-16-2011, 12:36 AM

Here are my new results:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

2.10% S_Asian
48.16% N_E_Euro
0.02% NE_African
40.16% SW_W_Euro
2.41% Med_ME
0.07% N_Asian
0.00% E_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
0.00% SE_Asian
7.09% W_Asian

CPU time = 582.48 sec

Rochefaton

10-16-2011, 04:19 AM

I made a RMSD calculator for the new WE10 run. It is the same as the others; use OpenOffice, plug in your values, and get a chart at the bottom. I have ran a few tests to check the accuracy, but there still may be a few errors. If anything looks suspicious, let me know.

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?mimudcjha76auaw) is a link to the spreadsheet, and here is my chart:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/WE-10RMSDChart.jpg

Also, I have only included 30 European populations to this spreadsheet. It would have taken too long to add all the groups and it would have made the chart gigantic. Please pardon my Eurocentricness. :)

My top ten:

Dutch 1.20
Austrian 1.71
Danish 1.78
German 2.01
Scots 2.13
English 2.35
Irish 2.55
British 2.64
Norwegian 3.27
Swedish 3.87

Sahson

10-16-2011, 04:50 AM

Rochefaton

10-16-2011, 04:52 AM

Roche where's the spreadsheet the one i saw has no US samples

The US was not included in this run. Americans have to process their 23andMe raw data themselves, and then place their results into the spreadsheet.

Dušan the Great

10-16-2011, 05:59 AM

My latest:

North + East European: 40.5%
Southwest + West European: 27.4%
Mediterranean + MEast: 16.3%
West Asian: 13.8%

Sahson

10-16-2011, 06:02 AM

thanks Roche

1. Austrian 1
2. German 1.49
3. Dutch 2.34
4. Denmark 2.41
5. SW scot 3.33
6. Kent 3.53
7. Norway 3.65
8. UK 3.84
9. Sweden 3.88
10. Hungary 4.17

Humanophage

10-16-2011, 10:04 AM

Humanophage
North + East European 0.756449
Southwest + West European 0.110571
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 0.095324
South Asian 0.015516
North Asian 0.013397
West Asian 0.005469
Southeast Asian 0.003244
Northeast African 0.00001
East Asian 0.00001
Sub-Saharan African 0.00001

In comparison to population averages. Note my very low West Asian. South Asian, meanwhile, seems to be high among Scandinavians - must be soaking up something in the wrong manner:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/K10Eurogenes.jpg

I think it's more useful to look at how one ranks among individuals from the same nation than to look at their averages, because these can be easily twisted. For instance, one Russian has a much higher North Asian score than everyone else.

Here is how I rank among Russians, Ukrainians, and North Russians (e.g., 4th highest out of 37 Russians in South Asian). Notice how I have an elevated Med+ME among Russians, yet it is small by Ukrainian measures. My North Asian element sets me apart from Ukrainians, however, in spite of being very small in comparison to other Russians.
Russians (N=37)
South Asian 4
North + East European 10
Northeast African 37
Southwest + West European 21
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 9
North Asian 26
East Asian 37
Sub-Saharan African 37
Southeast Asian 21
West Asian 31

Ukrainians (N=22)
South Asian 1
North + East European 3
Northeast African 22
Southwest + West European 17
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 17
North Asian 2
East Asian 22
Sub-Saharan African 22
Southeast Asian 13
West Asian 20

North Russians (N=26)
South Asian 4
North + East European 7
Northeast African 26
Southwest + West European 4
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 4
North Asian 26
East Asian 26
Sub-Saharan African 26
Southeast Asian 13
West Asian 22

My distances using Rochefaton's calculator. Since my northern + eastern European is towering, while my southwest + west European score is modest, there is a signficiant gap starting from Hungarians.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Rochefaton.jpg
Belarusians 0.810684896
Russians 1.509937085
Lithuanians 1.716601293
N. Russians 2.232039426
Estonians 2.580236423
Ukrainians 2.622725681
Poles 2.916959033
Finns 3.502650425
Hungarians 9.83955436
Swedes 11.02400698

Barreldriver

10-16-2011, 02:08 PM

Bah, I'd get my results in but it is taking forever to download the zip file. :(

Rochefaton

10-16-2011, 03:03 PM

Here you are, Boudica:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/WE10Boudica.jpg

Your top 10:

AT 2.22
DE 3.46
RS 3.58
NL 3.67
FR 4.36
SW Scot 4.47
DK 4.50
HU 4.52
Kent 4.66
RO 4.66

Barreldriver

10-16-2011, 03:54 PM

Courtesy of AlabamaMan:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.52% S_Asian
43.67% N_E_Euro
0.00% NE_African
41.61% SW_W_Euro
5.25% Med_ME
0.00% N_Asian
0.22% E_Asian
0.09% Sub_Saharan
0.01% SE_Asian
8.62% W_Asian

CPU time = 722.52 sec
RMS Top 10:
AT 1.40
NL 1.80
DE 2.45
SW Scot 2.77
DK 2.84
Kent 2.90
IE 3.25
UK 3.30
Cornwall 3.44
FR 3.79

Find it strange that this time around Austria, Netherlands, and Germany are at the top when in all the other runs it was UK, Kent, SW Scot, Australia and such (those older runs making sense given that nearly 3/4ths of my ancestors were British Islander's, a little fluctuation below 3/4ths given that I'm finding some Frenchie names in recent genealogical searches that mixed into my British lines but not to the extant that it should influence figures too much).

10-16-2011, 04:22 PM

Since my northern + eastern European is towering, while my southwest + west European score is modest, there is a signficiant gap starting from Hungarians.
Same for me! Our North+Northeast scores are very similar.

I'm LT5 :)
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt152/smurkst/linkus/eurogenesmoi.jpg

South Asian 0%
North + East European 77.8386%
NE African 0%
SW + West European 12.6175%
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 9.5369%
North Asian 0%
East Asian 0%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
SE Asian 0%
West Asian 0%

Damião de Góis

10-16-2011, 04:31 PM

^ Same for me, but in a reverse way from you two. My big gap starts in Poland though.

http://oi53.tinypic.com/jj4mfo.jpg

Graham

10-16-2011, 04:41 PM

48.31% SW_W_Euro
47.90% N_E_Euro
01.73% Med_ME
01.06% S_Asian
01.00% W_Asian

1.24 UK
1.51 IE
1.56 Kent
1.89 Cornw
1.91 DK
1.95 SW Scot
2.03 NL
2.89 NO
3.62 DE
3.92 AT

Polako

10-18-2011, 10:01 AM

Find it strange that this time around Austria, Netherlands, and Germany are at the top when in all the other runs it was UK, Kent, SW Scot, Australia and such (those older runs making sense given that nearly 3/4ths of my ancestors were British Islander's, a little fluctuation below 3/4ths given that I'm finding some Frenchie names in recent genealogical searches that mixed into my British lines but not to the extant that it should influence figures too much).

I'm not sure that it's always possible for calculator people to compare their results to those of the reference samples.

The safest way to go for you guys is to compare results with those of other calculator people.

Ideally, to get the best results for individuals, everyone should be in the original ADMIXTURE run, but that's no longer possible.

Pallantides

10-20-2011, 01:29 PM

Pallantides(NO2)

North+East European - 57.79%
Southwest+West European - 40.44%
East Asian - 1.12%
North Asian - 0.62%
South Asian - 0%
Northeast African - 0%
Mediterranean+Middle Eastern - 0%
Sub-Saharan African - 0%
Southeast Asian - 0%
West Asian - 0%

Pallantides

10-28-2011, 12:15 PM

North Asian, East Asian and Southeast Asian in 9 Norwegians, 17 Swedes, 3 Danes and 1 Icelander

NO2 - 0.62% / 1.12% / 0.00%
NO3 - 1.75% / 0.00% / 0.00%
NO4 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 1.31%
NO5 - 1.55% / 0.00% / 0.00%
NO6 - 0.00% / 1.82% / 0.00%
NO7 - 2.27% / 0.00% / 0.00%
NO8 - 1.63% / 0.45% / 0.00%
NO9 - 0.05% / 0.72% / 0.00%
NO10 - 0.94% / 0.00% / 0.00%

SE1 - 0.17% / 0.00% / 0.16%
SE2 - 2.15% / 0.73% / 0.16%
SE4 - 1.03% / 0.00% / 0.57%
SE5 - 1.46% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE6 - 0.36% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE7 - 1.67% / 0.66% / 0.00%
SE8 - 0.72% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE9 - 2.12% / 0.03% / 0.00%
SE10 - 0.75% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE11 - 0.19% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE12 - 0.00% / 0.43% / 0.81%
SE13 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE14 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE15 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE16 - 6.1% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE17 - 1.41% / 0.27% / 0.15%
SE19 - 2.4% / 0.34% / 0.00%
SE20 - 1.85% / 0.00% / 0.00%

DK2 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
DK3 - 0.00% / 0.36% / 0.00%
DK4 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%

IS1 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 1.11%

Pallantides

10-29-2011, 02:23 PM

My genomewide results for NEU:

28.70% South_Baltic
23.68% North_Baltic
47.62% Northwest_Euro

Pallantides

11-03-2011, 01:14 AM

Plot with Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Finns and Germans:
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5518/scandcompcolors.png

(I'm in the top left corner, NO2)

Pallantides

11-05-2011, 08:23 PM

My position on the PCA posted by Day Tipper on ABF: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1559/no2la.jpg

Loki

11-05-2011, 08:37 PM

My results:

33.70% South_Baltic
1.56% North_Baltic
64.75% Northwest_Euro

Agrippa

12-01-2011, 02:09 PM

Interesting new trial on Eurogenes.
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/11/experiment-copying-genetic-map-from.html

I tried to draw a narrower and wider German+Austrian cluster:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17686&stc=1&d=1322751859

I think it is also interesting to compare this with the results of Dienekes:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bt_y7cvHOc8/TZYBFrPMtuI/AAAAAAAADZs/PPSf1y5med8/s1600/galore.png

Some details on the cluster:
#1-3 are dominated by all 100 Finns plus 2 Swedes
#4 is clearly Balto-Slavic
#5 is clearly Russian
#6 is Norwegian-Swedish
#8 is British Isles
#9 is also British Isles but also encompasses all 3 Danes and a Dutch
#10 is French dominated
#11 is Central European (German-Hungarian)
#13-14 are British-Orcadian

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04/genetic-structure-in-north-central.html

The distinction between a more Central-Southern and Central-Eastern European and more Central-Northern European tendency is clear in both efforts, but largely because of Germans are truly Central in such plots and overlap with the fringes of others.

Pallantides

01-14-2012, 07:57 AM

Eurogenes' North Euro clusters - phase 1, exploring the data
(http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2012/01/eurogenes-north-euro-clusters-phase-1.html)

POPs Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdHEzQ0hfZ0tNYmI4Q1ZmZGdha2oyU kE#gid=0)

Pop12(South/West Scandinavian)

SENO1
SE8
NO2
IS1
DK3
SE6
NO4
NO6
SE10
NO10
SE14
NO8
NO3
DK2
NO9
NO5
SE15

POP14(Fenno-Scandian)

SE9
FI111
FI130
SE16

POP17(East Scandinavian)

NO7
SE4
SE12
SE20
SE13
SE2
SENO2
SE19
SE7
SE17
SE11
SE1
SE5

Barreldriver

01-14-2012, 01:54 PM

I be listed at the very bottom of the list for Northwest European Pop21 (US83).

Polako

01-15-2012, 05:27 AM

I be listed at the very bottom of the list for Northwest European Pop21 (US83).

I'll try and break that up. It should budge sooner or later.

Loki

01-15-2012, 05:31 AM

I'll try and break that up. It should budge sooner or later.

There is no data in the spreadsheet - only usernames :(

Polako

01-15-2012, 05:36 AM

There is no data in the spreadsheet - only usernames :(

The spreadsheet lists the cluster assignments only, while the data (including cluster assignments) is presented on the two images. There's also a PCA, and I'll upload the coordinates eventually so those interested can run them in Gnuplot.

Obviously, I have a lot more data, including segment matches between individuals, but it's several gigabytes in size, so it has to processed and simplified in some way.

Day Tripper has some ideas how to deal with it, and he's looking at it now. Hopefully we'll be able to produce intra-North Euro ancestry paintings. At the very least, that could be a very interesting experiment.

Loki

01-15-2012, 05:39 AM

The spreadsheet lists the cluster assignments only, while the data (including cluster assignments) is presented on the two images. There's also a PCA, and I'll upload the coordinates eventually so those interested can run them in Gnuplot.

Obviously, I have a lot more data, including segment matches between individuals, but it's several gigabytes in size, so it has to processed and simplified in some way.

Day Tripper has some ideas how to deal with it, and he's looking at it now. Hopefully we'll be able to produce intra-North Euro ancestry paintings. At the very least, that could be a very interesting experiment.

Oh I see, I fall into the "French" cluster. Interestingly, I do as well on Dienekes' analysis.

Polako

01-15-2012, 05:40 AM

Oh I see, I fall into the "French" cluster. Interestingly, I do as well on Dienekes' analysis.

Yeah, that can probably be broken up too, like many of the other clusters.

Polako

01-15-2012, 05:55 AM

Is Day Tripper on this forum? Maybe he can comment directly?

Loki

01-15-2012, 06:24 AM

Is Day Tripper on this forum? Maybe he can comment directly?

No, I don't think so.

Humanophage

01-15-2012, 07:25 AM

It would be nice to organise this information into an excel table. Pasting parts of an image to see individual results seems a little crude.

The results sometimes seem to find admixed individuals in amusing clusters. For instance, RU19 with his known Ashkenazi admixture is in the West Ukrainian cluster. RU23, I suppose, ended up outside the analysis (being seemingly the equivalent of a Chuvash).

Another interesting thing for myself is that one of my two closest violet matches (RU38 and GSM536625, a Hungarian) is from a fairly distant cluster (POP11, East German).

Pop15 (East Slavic)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/EastSlavs.png

Pop11 (East German)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/EastGerm.png

Pop9 (Lithuanian) - appears similar
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/LT.png

Some other relevant pops:
http://i.imm.io/eD6e.png

Is Day Tripper on this forum? Maybe he can comment directly?
He seems to be, but he doesn't post often: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=3336

Pallantides

01-17-2012, 01:05 AM

http://i.imgur.com/d7IGj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1Elve.jpg

Polako

01-17-2012, 03:35 AM

^ Hehehe...wrong thread.

Pallantides

01-17-2012, 05:36 AM

Ops, sorry I was tired:D

Polako

01-22-2012, 11:46 AM

ChromoPainter PCAs of Western Europe (http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/chromopainter-pcas-of-western-europe.html)

Graham

01-22-2012, 11:54 AM

^^^ looks good for myself. Being Scottish/English/Shetlander in ancestry. The Cornish are stereotypically put as inbred also. So that kind of makes it look more true. lol

Osweo

01-23-2012, 01:19 AM

ChromoPainter PCAs of Western Europe (http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/chromopainter-pcas-of-western-europe.html)

Nice one! :thumb001:

Curiously, the last plot on that page is very like what i get on the 'zoomed in' 23 and Me plot for Northern Europe.
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3706/pca2.png

In both of them, I (UK20), am sat 'on the top', a bit on my own. Anyone have any idea why I'm on the periphery like this? Nothing significant to it, and just chance? :confused:

Trog

01-23-2012, 02:57 AM

Who/what is Carl Anderson? I (UK39) seem to cluster near him on both plots.

Barreldriver

01-23-2012, 03:30 AM

Me likes this one. :D Mostly because I'm situated in between Kent folks and Belgians. :p

Polako

01-24-2012, 02:06 AM

Who/what is Carl Anderson? I (UK39) seem to cluster near him on both plots.

Troggy, you Celtic damsel...

CA is just some scientist dude who uploaded his genome online. More info here...

This is what happens when you upload your SNPs online (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2010/10/this-is-what-happens-when-you-upload.html)

By the way, the info you're seeing is just scratching at the surface of the data that came out of this analysis. So there should be more stuff to come.

Polako

01-24-2012, 02:07 AM

Me likes this one. :D Mostly because I'm situated in between Kent folks and Belgians. :p

BD, how's your project going?

Polako

01-24-2012, 03:28 AM

Nice one! :thumb001:

Curiously, the last plot on that page is very like what i get on the 'zoomed in' 23 and Me plot for Northern Europe.
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3706/pca2.png

In both of them, I (UK20), am sat 'on the top', a bit on my own. Anyone have any idea why I'm on the periphery like this? Nothing significant to it, and just chance? :confused:

Dunno, but you didn't make it into the Western British (plus Irish) cluster, while Trog did.

Eurogenes' North Euro clusters - phase 2, final results (http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/eurogenes-north-euro-clusters-phase-2.html)

To quote myself...

pop14 - Irish + West British: Most Irish individuals fall in this cluster, as well as British samples from Western Scotland and Wales. It's tempting to correlate this cluster with Celtic genetic ancestry in the Isles.

Osweo

01-24-2012, 04:00 AM

Dunno, but you didn't make it into the Western British (plus Irish) cluster, while Trog did.

Ah well, I'm only 3/8 Irish, so little wonder I'm with the general NW Euro crowd. :)

Eeeee, I'd think twice about 'Celtic genetic ancestry' as a term, though! If Celtic speech appeared by the Alps, we're looking at something rather pre-Celtic from the Isles in this pop14 cluster. In terms of greater genetic imprint from the 'original Celts', I'd rather be looking at the French, indeed.

About ending up on the edge of clusters, as opposed to the centres, is there any meaning to this at all, or is it just the way the different 'pulls' end up leaving somebody more or less by chance? Grrr, I struggle to express myself...

Anyroad, keep up the good work! :cheers:

Polako

01-24-2012, 04:17 AM

About ending up on the edge of clusters, as opposed to the centres, is there any meaning to this at all, or is it just the way the different 'pulls' end up leaving somebody more or less by chance? Grrr, I struggle to express myself...

Yeah, there seems to be purpose to the precise placement of individuals in the tree. It appears that people who are very similar are close to each other. Also different clusters that are related in some way tend to be placed next to each other, even if they're on different branches on the tree.

But the manual doesn't explain the details of how that works. My suggestion would be to see who you're next to on those trees, and swap notes with them about their ancestry. Of course, there are also those two sheets showing segment counts and lengths, and these can be used to work out very precise affinities to individuals and populations. One thing to keep in mind is that greater lengths usually = more recent ties.

Barreldriver

01-24-2012, 10:51 AM

BD, how's your project going?

Having some trouble, not sure what I'm doing wrong that is causing the output files to be seemingly unfindable on my computer. Thinking of reinstalling everything and trying again once I get a lull in the university schedule. Figure afore I start askin' folks to participate, might as well figure out the kinks.

EDIT:

I switched everything to the d: drive and am currently giving it a go, seems to be working right now, will see once everything is completed if output files can be found. That is all if my laptop doesn't overheat, the program is at about 70 k of 550,725.

Trog

01-24-2012, 11:14 AM

Who else from in here is in cluster14? I think it's a strong indication of Celtic/pre-Celtic ancestry and certainly a very low/minimal input from Germanics.

Pallantides

01-24-2012, 07:15 PM

'pop15 - South/West Scandinavian' here!:)

Beorn

01-24-2012, 07:50 PM

Polako

01-24-2012, 08:50 PM

Just for clarification. I am UK40, so should I take it the form reads pop-X and then the list of people within that population? If this is the case then I am pop17 (Northwest European).

Yes, but it pays to check your position on the tree as well, to see who you're closest to (refer to the top of the raw coancestry matrix image).

Or you can study in more detail the chunk count and length sheets I uploaded (bottom of my post).

@Polako: Which yellow is which for pop17 and pop11?

Don't worry about that PCA. The lower diversity of the Northeast Euros skews the results for most of the others. That plot is basically only useful for those from east of Holland/Belgium. Find yourself on these plots for more precise placement amongst the other Brits.

ChromoPainter PCAs of Western Europe (http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/chromopainter-pcas-of-western-europe.html)

Beorn

01-24-2012, 09:00 PM

Find yourself on these plots for more precise placement amongst the other Brits.

ChromoPainter PCAs of Western Europe (http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/chromopainter-pcas-of-western-europe.html)

I am swimming in a sea of Kentish folk. :thumb001:

Polako

01-24-2012, 09:02 PM

Hehe...UK40 is next to US83 on the tree.

Beorn

01-24-2012, 09:04 PM

Hehe...UK40 is next to US83 on the tree.

What's the significance of that? :confused:

Barreldriver

01-24-2012, 09:29 PM

What's the significance of that? :confused:

Means that I am yer father. :eek: j/k

Beorn

01-24-2012, 09:32 PM

Means that I am yer father. :eek: j/k

Ah, now I see! :D That'll be all that Reade/Reeder blood in us. :D

Trog

01-25-2012, 04:48 AM

Is it possible that I am the most western European individual in this forum? Out of the northerners, of course. So I can lay claim to being more ancient British, right? Less Germanic, more Picitish. ;)

Graham

01-25-2012, 08:12 AM

Graham

01-28-2012, 01:12 PM

Barreldriver

01-28-2012, 01:35 PM

Pallantides

01-28-2012, 01:42 PM

Osweo

01-28-2012, 11:59 PM

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4214/weumap.png
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/eurogenes-north-euro-clusters-phase-3.html

It's Lonely up in the scottish borders Osweo. :p I've ended up in the Midlands :D

Aw fuck. :D

AND my nearest neighbours are Kents... ;)

That's right on Kelso, though, where Great Great Grandad came from. Well done, Polako! :p

It's that poor bastard 'SW Scot' out floating over Atlantis that I feel sorry for...

Graham

01-29-2012, 08:05 AM

The only one over Hadrians wall. To keep the Romans safe!

I'm hoping Doggerland is nice and dry. If not, we'll need a lot of boats.

Trog

01-30-2012, 04:46 PM

Scrapple

01-30-2012, 05:06 PM

Trog

01-31-2012, 01:37 AM

Osweo, you Scotch bastard!

Osweo

01-31-2012, 01:51 AM

Osweo, you Scotch bastard!

I believe the official term is 'Scotch Git'. :thumb001:

Rep point us your number, will yer! I wannae see exactly how English you are. :D

Trog

01-31-2012, 02:05 AM

My number? What number? UK39?

Incidentally, Polako's sequence of me correlates with where Doug Mac placed me;

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Trog/dougmc.jpg

Trog

01-31-2012, 02:12 AM

I believe the official term is 'Scotch Git'. :thumb001:

Hmmm, maybe I meant Scots bastard (http://files.list.co.uk/images/2009/01/22/sidey-fat.jpg), all you need now is to nick yer mam's hair dye.

Odoacer

02-02-2012, 07:00 PM

ChromoPainter PCAs of Western Europe (http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/2012/01/chromopainter-pcas-of-western-europe.html)

Hm. I can't tell if I'm on these plots. If I am, maybe covered up by someone else? :(

Electronic God-Man

02-04-2012, 01:57 AM

Are Americans still in this?

...what the hell was my number ID again? US2? :D

MandM

02-06-2012, 08:56 AM

Pallantides

02-06-2012, 09:00 AM

See under Geographic origin test:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

Barreldriver

02-06-2012, 11:26 AM

there is somthing i dont understand with 23andme how can they see what % of diffrent ethnicities someone have? one hase onely haplogroups, i took my test at igenea, i know many people dont like them (dont know why) but i asked them if u can look what ethnicities a person hase, ad they told me that dna dosent work like that, that they can onely see haplogroups and some what see were our ancesters came frome.

Those tests are testing a completely different part of the DNA, the % tests are testing autosomal DNA (non-sex specific), so ye can get an idea of what your ancestral percentages are from testing this but cannot tell from which parent a certain segment of admixture came from unless you were to get together with relatives and compare shared segments.

Graham

02-07-2012, 11:49 AM

Latest from Eurogenes... :thumbs up Hopefully got this correct. Took a while to sort. If anyone matches UK19, that's me.

http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/prepping-dataset-for-new-chromopainter.html

0.0262 UK3
0.0260 UK8
0.0230 Cornwall
0.0230 Kent
0.0230 UK1
0.0228 IE20
0.0224 IE3
0.0222 UK25
0.0219 PL5
0.0213 UK37
0.0209 UK22
0.0205 CA4
0.0199 UK38
0.0199 DE12
0.0199 Cornwall
0.0198 FR
0.0196 DESK1
0.0196 FR
0.0189 IE15
0.0188 UK24
0.0188 Cornwall
0.0186 UK28
0.0184 SE11
0.0184 IE18
0.0184 Kent

Scrapple

02-07-2012, 01:41 PM

Me

0.0227 SE15
0.0222 LT
0.0213 IE20
0.0205 UK6
0.0203 EE3
0.0201 RU21
0.0201 Cornwall
0.0201 BY
0.0196 SE9
0.0189 PL14
0.0188 RO4
0.0187 Kent
0.0186 UA3
0.0186 LT4
0.0183 RU35
0.0183 DE22
0.0182 DE9
0.0181 North_Russian
0.0177 UK27
0.0177 RU6
0.0176 Kent
0.0173 PL3
0.0173 Cornwall
0.0172 HU
0.0171 HU
0.017 SE17
0.0168 RU44
0.0168 IE21
0.0163 PLDE1
0.0163 PL7

Pallantides

02-07-2012, 02:41 PM

Me:

0.0212 NO8 (Olavsson)
0.0204 SE16
0.0198 IE8
0.0195 LT GSM536641
0.0191 LT GSM536637
0.0186 Kent HG00126
0.0186 DE21
0.0185 SENO1
0.0183 US255
0.0182 Cornwall HG00253
0.0018 Carl_Anderson
0.0179 NO9
0.0177 UK21
0.0173 PLNL1
0.0171 SE5
0.0171 SE1
0.0171 Kent HG00157
0.0017 IE21
0.0169 UK37
0.0168 NO3

Osweo

02-07-2012, 11:31 PM

I just go down the list and copy out where I'm listed, ja?

Seems I have a higher value than anyone else has got so far;

1. 0.0307 IE20 --- who is this? Likely that we're cousins?
2. 0.0223 UK28
3. 0.0216 FR HGDP00535 - zut alors?!
4. 0.0203 NL2 - :confused:
5. 0.0202 SE17 - :eek:
6. 0.0201 SENO1
7. 0.0199 UK21
8. 0.0196 FR HGDP00533 - :fear:
9. 0.0194 UK37 -------------- is this Beornie??
10. 0.0190 IE21
11. 0.0189 Cornwall HG00262
12. 0.0186 IE14
13. 0.0182 UKIE1
14. 0.0182 UK43
15. 0.0179 UK33
16. 0.0179 NL1
17. 0.0177 US180
18. 0.0176 Cornwall HG00259
19. 0.0176 Cornwall HG00233
20. 0.0175 Kent HG00137
21. 0.0173 NL6
22. 0.0173 Kent HG00156
23. 0.0170 Cornwall HG00253

Barreldriver

02-07-2012, 11:52 PM

My top 20 from the IBD:

1. 0.0204 IE4 IE4 US83 US83
2. 0.017 Cornwall HG00247 US83 US83
3. 0.0153 NO6 NO6 US83 US83
4. 0.0148 UK29 UK29 US83 US83
5. 0.134 Kent HG00146 US83 US83
6. 0.0128 SE23 SE23 US83 US83
7. 0.0128 NO10 NO10 US83 US83
8. 0.0124 UK9 UK9 US83 US83
9. 0.0122 Kent HG00133 US83 US83
10. 0.0121 UK21 UK21 US83 US83
11. 0.012 UK25 UK25 US83 US83
12. 0.012 LT GSM 536642 US83 US83
13. 0.0117 SE1 SE1 US83 US83
14. 0.0116 UK43 UK43 US83 US83
15. 0.0114 NL4 NL4 US83 US83
16. 0.0113 SE6 SE6 US83 US83
17. 0.0112 DE17 DE17 US83 US83
18. 0.0111 UK38 UK38 US83 US83
19. 0.0109 UA UkrBel620Y US83 US83
20. 0.0107 Kent HG00148 US83 US83

Beorn

02-08-2012, 05:12 PM

9. 0.0194 UK37 -------------- is this Beornie??

Nope, I am UK40. :)

I think I got them all. List seems short compared to others.

0.0246 IE20
0.0194 ES HGD1521
0.019 UK3
0.0182 ES12
0.0181 Cornwall HG00239
0.0176 FR HGDP00511
0.0174 Cornwall HG00234
0.0173 ES GSM536539
0.0168 PL3
0.0169 UK27

Can someone give a refresh of what the initials stand for? UK is United Kingdom, FR is France, etc..., but what are the rest?

Osweo

02-08-2012, 05:23 PM

Nope, I am UK40. :)
Ah right, yeah :)

Can someone give a refresh of what the initials stand for? UK is United Kingdom, FR is France, etc..., but what are the rest?
ESpana
PoLand
NOrway
DEutschland
NetherLands
SwEden
DenmarK
BElgium
PorTugal
IrEland.

Useful things to know, and you can practise on the roads. Mind you, all you see there is PL, LV and SK... :p

Humanophage

02-10-2012, 03:57 PM

Scrapple

02-10-2012, 08:21 PM

RU44

0.0338 BY GSM536696
0.0244 RU38 RU38
0.0214 LT GSM536644
0.0213 PL18 PL18
0.0211 LT GSM536635
0.0199 UA3 UA3
0.0197 UA UkrainePol19Y
0.0189 BY GSM536699
0.0189 LT GSM536638
0.0182 LT2 LT2
0.018 RU40 RU40
0.0179 LT4 LT4
0.0173 LT1 LT1
0.0168 Kent HG00133
0.0167 PL14 PL14
0.0159 BY GSM536695
0.0158 RU39 RU39
0.0156 RU4 RU4
0.0154 DE16 DE16
0.0154 PL3 PL3
0.0154 LT GSM536641
0.0153 LT GSM536643
0.0153 RU GSM536913
0.0153 RU21 RU21
0.0152 Kent HG00135

Russians marked red, non-Eastern Europeans marked green. Frankly, the information for some other participants often seems downright odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Europe_ISO_3166-1.svg/800px-Europe_ISO_3166-1.svg.png

He explains it in his blog post:

The other thing to keep in mind is that some individuals and groups tend to be very matchy, especially with samples from similar regions. For instance, the Belorussians, Lithuanians and Cornish in my dataset pop up on lists of all those with significant ancestry from north of the Alps and Carpathians. These groups seem to be very homogeneous, and maybe that's why they appear like modal Northern Europeans in the context of this analysis? In any case, the best strategy is not to take the lists literally, and instead compare and contrast them with those of other people of similar ancestry to your own.

Jerry

02-13-2012, 04:49 PM

My lists below. I think I probably have matches from here for sure, I have 15 UK matches in together for example - not all matches are included below... My code is FI15

EUROPE:
0.0246 EE3
0.0205 FI12
0.0198 LT1
0.0191 FI14
0.0187 SE9
0.0186 LT GSM536636
0.0179 FI7
0.0176 RU39
0.0176 FI3
0.0174 UARUPL1
0.0168 EE2
0.0165 LT GSM536638
0.0165 FI6
0.0163 PL11
0.0157 UA Ukraine141Y
0.0156 UA UkrBel618Y
0.0156 EE1
0.0153 Cornwall HG00234
0.0151 PL7
0.0151 North_Russian HGDP00884
0.0148 UA UkrLv215Y
0.0148 SE2
0.0147 UARU2
0.0144 DESK1
0.0143 RU48
0.0141 PL3
0.0139 RU32
0.0139 Kent HG00148 F
0.0132 UK9
0.0131 SE17
0.013 RU21
0.0124 SE20
0.0123 SE19
0.0122 UK28
0.0122 UK18
0.0122 RU37
0.0121 IE16
0.0121 Erzya Erzya7Y
0.012 SE4
0.012 RU20
0.0119 SE7
0.0119 FR HGDP00524
0.0118 HU GSM536634
0.0118 UKCEU2

Northeast Europe:
0.0311 EE3
0.0282 FI12
0.0274 FI8
0.027 RU47
0.0264 FI14
0.0249 RU39
0.0246 FI7
0.0242 FI3
0.0238 EE2
0.0232 FI6
0.0225 North_Russian HGDP00884
0.022 RU48
0.022 EE1
0.0212 RU22
0.0211 RU32
0.02 RU37
0.0197 RU21
0.0192 Erzya7Y
0.0189 RU35
0.0184 RU20

orangepulp

02-17-2012, 10:24 AM

Genetic substructures across Eurasia - moving up to K=11 (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/genetic-substructures-across-eurasia.html)

My result:

Caucasian 49,33%
West Central Asian 23,58%
Southwest Asian 13,63%
Western European 6,1%
East Asian 3,3%
Siberian 2%
Baltic 1,4%
East African 0,2%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
South Asian 0%

Barreldriver

02-17-2012, 11:23 AM

I got:

0.0912% Subsaharan African
0.001% Siberian
0.001% Southeast Asian
1.8361% Southwest Asian
0.001% East African
7.0053% Caucasian
52.3122% West European
0.001% East Asian
0.001% South Asian
12.9338% West Central Asian
25.816% Baltic

Pallantides

02-17-2012, 02:09 PM

Western European 45,5%
Baltic 38,8%
West Central Asian 14,7%
Siberian 0,8%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
Southwest Asian 0%
East African 0%
Caucasian 0%
East Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/pie_33691ED2.png

poiuytrewq0987

02-17-2012, 02:12 PM

poiuytrewq0987

02-17-2012, 02:23 PM

Deleted my original post, I think this is the correct one this time.

Baltic: 36%
Caucasian: 30%
West European: 18%
Southwest Asian: 10%
Siberian: 0.1%
West Central Asian: 0.1%

All others: 0%

Jerry

02-17-2012, 02:45 PM

Mine (Finnish average):

Baltic 58.4% (61.3%)
West Euro 24.7% (18.8%)
West Central Asia 8.0% (8.3%)
Siberia 5.0% (6.9%)
SW Asia 1.2% (1.2%)
Caucasus 2.6% (2.6%)
East Asia 0% (0.4%)
Sub-Saharan African 0% (0.04%)
Southeast Asian 0% (0.31%)
East African 0% (0.04%)
South Asian 0% (0.16%)

I have the smallest Siberian in the FIN group, and 2nd largest W.Euro - largest is somebody with 32.6% and almost twice the average. 13 Finns in sample.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3712/172mr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/172mr.jpg/)

Transhumanist

02-17-2012, 04:07 PM

The results for my grandmother and uncle, in that order (rounded to nearest whole percent):

Caucasian 45%
Southwest Asian 28%
West Central Asian 24%
Western European 2%
South Asian 1%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Siberian 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
East African 0%
East Asian 0%
Baltic 0%

Caucasian 44%
Southwest Asian 27%
West Central Asian 26%
Western European 2%
South Asian 1%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Siberian 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
East African 0%
East Asian 0%
Baltic 0%

Pallantides

02-17-2012, 05:07 PM

Siberian

NO2 - 0.8%
NO3 - 1.1%
NO5 - 1%
NO7 - 1.8%
NO8 - 1.4%
NO10 - 0.6%
NO11 - 1.1%

Southeast Asian

NO4 - 1.1%

Southwest Asian

NO5 - 1.8%
NO11 - 0.4%

Caucasian

NO6 - 2.8%
NO7 - 0.4%

Westerm European

NO2 - 45.5%
NO3 - 49.2%
NO4 - 51.8%
NO5 - 48.2%
NO6 - 44.8%
NO7 - 43.3%
NO8 - 46%
NO9 - 52.2%
NO10 - 45.6%
NO11 - 48%

East Asian

NO6 - 1.2%
NO9 - 0.1%

South Asian

NO11 - 0.3%

West Central Asian

NO2 - 14.7%
NO3 - 13.3%
NO4 - 15.4%
NO5 - 12.6%
NO6 - 12.1%
NO7 - 15.7%
NO8 - 15.9%
NO9 - 15.2%
NO10 - 14.6%
NO11 - 12.9%

Baltic

NO2 - 38.8%
NO3 - 36.1%
NO4 - 31.5%
NO5 - 36.1%
NO6 - 38.9%
NO7 - 38.5%
NO8 - 36.5%
NO9 - 32.3%
NO10 - 39%
NO11 - 37%

Humanophage

02-17-2012, 06:24 PM

Ethnic averages for all populations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdHJYZVNHdzVMblY3ejBYS2U4NGprZ2c

My high South Asian (1.7%, higher than any European average) seems common among Vologda Russians and Erzya. It seems that "West Central Asian" compensates for "Caucasian" in Northern populations, and "South Asian" might play a similar role in more Eastern populations. Some averages (sorted by Caucasian):
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/WE11_Av.gif

RU44 (me) - as Baltic as the average Estonian.
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
Siberian 1.61%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Southwest Asian 3.73%
East African 0.00%
Caucasian 16.83%
Western European 5.43%
East Asian 0.00%
South Asian 1.72%
West Central Asian 0.97%
Baltic 69.70%

By the way, here's the range for various Russians (46), I'm highlighted in yellow: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Ru_Range_W11.gif

Loki

02-19-2012, 09:54 AM

Mine:

45.26% Western European
26.24% Baltic
10.73% Caucasian
10.02% West Central Asian
3.20% Southwest Asian
2.14% Sub-Saharan African
1.70% Southeast Asian
0.38% South Asian
0.30% East African
0.02% East Asian
0.00% Siberian

Pallantides

02-19-2012, 12:19 PM

K=12

Western European 68.4%
Baltic 25%
Caucasian 2.7%
South Central Asian 2.4%
Siberian 0.8%
East Asian 0.4%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Southwest Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
East African 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
Mediterranean 0%

Loki

02-19-2012, 12:40 PM

North Euro clusters (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/eurogenes-north-euro-clusters-phase-2.html)

pop0 - West Finnish1: This is a pair of reference individuals, most likely from Western Finland, judging by their PCA and ADMIXTURE results. They are either from the same community, or have a very similar mix of very specific ancestries.

pop1 - Erzya + Moksha: Includes all of the Erzya and Moksha in the project, plus a Russian with recent Erzya ancestry. Closely related to ethnic Russian clusters that stretch from Northwest Russia to near the Volga, and also to the Estonian cluster.

pop2 - South/Central Finnish: The largest Finnish cluster, and that's probably more than just the result of sampling bias. I would say that the greater part of the Finnish population would belong to this type of cluster, which occupies regions of highest population density within the country.

pop3 - Fenno-Scandian: This cluster includes a Northern Swede, a Swede with probable recent Finnish ancestry, and Finns with probable recent Swedish influence. I have a feeling that Finland Swedes and Aland Islanders would also be placed here more often than not.

pop4 - Northwest Russian/Southeast Finnish: Although this cluster includes only two individuals, I think it's much more than just a random occurrence between two high scoring samples. I'd hazard a guess that Northwest Russians with, say, significant Ingrian ancestry, would land here, and so would Finns with recent Russian ancestry.

pop5 - West Finnish2: Based on PCA and ADMIXTURE results, most of these Finns likely come from Western Finland, probably from places like Southern Ostrobothnia. They possibly also have some Swedish influence.

pop6 - West German: This cluster is based on individuals from Western and Northwestern Germany. It also includes a Dutchman, Austrian and people of mixed origin, like a Dane with French and German ancestry, and Americans with British, German, Scandinavian and/or Polish ancestry. In other words, this is where Northwestern Europe meets Central Europe.

pop7 - Vologda Russian: Most of the Vologda Russians from the HGDP land here. Thus, it appears to be a local cluster. Judging from its phylogeny, it looks like a mix of North Slavic, Baltic and Finnic influences.

pop8 - East Finnish: All the project and reference Finns with substantial ancestry from new settlement areas of Eastern Finland appear in this cluster. No wonder then, that this is the cluster with the highest internal chunk (segment) sharing in this analysis.

pop9 - Estonian: This is a mixed cluster, including individuals from Estonia, and, as far as I know, Russians with substantial ancestry from near Estonia. As mentioned above, it's closely related to the Erzya + Moksha, Northwest Russian and Vologda clusters. However, it's clearly much more western than any of these clusters (for instance, see the PCA below), which suggests Germanic influence in its makeup.

pop10 - Cornish: Almost all of my Cornish samples from the 1000 Genomes Project feature in this very local cluster, which shows the highest internal chunk counts in Western Europe. The overall results hint at a lack of outbreeding in recent times.

pop11 - French/Belgian: Interestingly, this cluster includes the bulk of the French samples, a French Canadian, and two Belgian project members. On the other hand, the most northerly French are placed in the more cosmopolitan Northwest European cluster (see below).

pop12 - Lithuanian: All of the more or less pure Lithuanians fall in this cluster. Those that don't are a reference sample from Behar et al. 2009, who always appears very Belorussian like in other analyses, and here sits in the East Slavic cluster, and a project member with recent German ancestry (LIT3). The Western European influence carried by the latter pushes him into the Polish/West Ukrainian cluster, despite not having any documented Polish or Ukrainian ancestry.

pop13 - Northwest Russian: This cluster appears to be made up of Russians who have more Finnic, and/or perhaps Eastern Baltic, ancestry than the individuals in the East Slavic cluster. In other words, it's more northerly, less westerly, and more closely related to the Finnic-speaking Erzya, Moksha and Estonians.

pop14 - Irish + West British: Most Irish individuals fall in this cluster, as well as British samples from Western Scotland and Wales. It's tempting to correlate this cluster with Celtic genetic ancestry in the Isles.

pop15 - South/West Scandinavian: This is basically a Norwegian and Southern Swedish cluster. It also features Swedes from other parts of the country who most likely have some German, Walloon and/or French influence.

pop16 - East German: This cluster includes individuals with significant or even overwhelming Germanic ancestry, but also with very clear Western Slavic input. One of the individuals here is of mixed Polish, German and Swedish ancestry, which pretty much sums up the character of this cluster in a modern context. The presence of two Hungarians from Behar et al. 2009. isn't surprising, because Hungary was settled by both Germanic and Western Slavic groups from the early Middle Ages until modern times.

pop17 - Northwest European: I had reasonable hopes of breaking up this large cluster into a couple of units at least. However, that did not happen, and I don't think it will unless I obtain more samples from the relevant areas of Europe, like Holland and specific parts of the UK. I think the main reason this cluster failed to budge was because of its cosmopolitan nature. In other words, the samples here include some of the most outbred in the analysis, and this, coupled with the fact that they carry very similar ancestral components, means that fineSTRUCTURE doesn't have anything to latch onto to create divisions.

pop18 - East Scandinavian: This could also be called a Swedish cluster. It's almost entirely made up of Swedes, usually from Eastern or Southeastern Sweden, and/or occasionally with recent Finnish influence.

pop19 - Polish/West Ukrainian: The vast majority of the Poles fall in this cluster, and about half of the Ukrainians from Yunusbayev et al. 2011. Most of these Ukrainians appear to be from Lviv district in the west, and some might even have fairly recent Polish and/or German ancestry. In fact, I would say the latter is a good bet for UkrLv240Y, who shows large Western European segments on several chromosomes.

pop20 - East Slavic: All of the Belorussians cluster here, and so do Russians from near Belorussia and Ukraine, and almost half of the Ukrainians from Yunusbayev et al. 2011 (those who show more easterly genetic characteristics). An individual of mixed Polish and Lithuanian ancestry also makes an appearance, suggesting that one of the main factors differentiating this cluster from the Polish/West Ukrainian group is a higher level of Baltic admixture in the former.

pop21 - East Central European: This cluster is based on most of the Hungarians in my dataset, but it also includes a number of Western and Southern Slavs, often with significant German ancestry. Not surprisingly, this cluster shows very high affinity with both the East German and Polish/West Ukrainian clusters.

I fall into the French/Belgian cluster.

Pallantides

02-19-2012, 12:49 PM

I fall into the South/West Scandinavian cluster.

Loki

02-19-2012, 12:51 PM

K=12

53.76 Western European
16.54 Baltic
15.94 Mediterranean
6.23 Caucasian
2.73 South Central Asian
2.13 Sub-Saharan African
1.67 Southeast Asian
0.44 East African
0.41 South Asian
0.10 Southwest Asian
0.04 East Asian
0.00 Siberian

orangepulp

02-19-2012, 01:39 PM

Eurasia K=12 results from highest to low

========My score==Average Turkish score
Caucasian: 50.4%/ 39.02%<<< higher than average
Mediterranean: 19.1%/ 22.29%
South Central Asian: 9.2%/ 9.50%
Southwest Asian: 8.7%/ 10.16%
West European: 5.2%/ 5.54%
East Asian: 3.1%/ 2.71%
Siberian: 2.0%/ 2.99%
Baltic: 1.7%/ 5.87%<<< Lower than average
Sub Saharan African: 0.00%/ 0.21%
South Asian: 0.00%/ 1.14%
East African: 0.00%/ 0.27%
Southeast Asian: 0.00%/ 0.31%

orangepulp

02-19-2012, 01:52 PM

Armenian Eurasia K=12 average from highest to low score for comparison:

Caucasian: 49.44%
Mediterranean: 23.40%
Southwest Asian: 13.33%
South Central Asian: 11.25%
West European: 1.41%
Baltic: 0.83%
South Asian: 0.22%
East Asian: 0.05%
Siberian: 0.04%
Sub Saharan African: 0.00%
East African: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.03%

Pallantides

02-19-2012, 02:16 PM

Norwegian and Swedish averages from Humanophage's spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdDVKM2Zfdk16R2xYQW9MdlR1dm43Umc)

NO/SE (me)

Sub-Saharan African 0.00%/0.02% (0.00%)
Baltic 23.41%/27.20% (25.08%)
Siberian 0.93%/1.06% (0.88%)
Southwest Asian 1.49%/2.65% (0.00%)
South Asian 0.06%/0.25% (0.00%)
East African 0.00%/0.06% (0.00%)
South Central Asian 2.26%/2.37% (2.46%)
Southeast Asian 0.11%/0.11% (0.00%)
Mediterranean 1.88%/2.25% (0.00%)
East Asian 0.25%/0.13% (0.41%)
Caucasian 2.58%/2.13% (2.72%)
Western European 67.02%/61.77% (68.43%)

poiuytrewq0987

02-19-2012, 02:18 PM

K12

Baltic: 32%
Mediterranean: 26%
West European: 17%
Caucasian: 15%
Siberian: 0.9%
East Asian: 0.8%
Southwest Asian: 0.5%

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/pie_3EAFADA6.png

Pallantides

02-19-2012, 02:35 PM

Finns, Estonians and Swedes are more woggish than me:D

Southwest Asian:

FI 4.03%
SE 2.65%
EE 2.52

Mediterranean

FI 1.82%
SE 2.25%
EE 7.64%

Barreldriver

02-19-2012, 03:04 PM

US83/Myself K = 12:

0.2016% Subsaharan African
13.7668% Baltic
0.001% Siberian
1.8149% Southwest Asian
0.1629% South Asian
0.001% East African
0.001%South Central Asian
0.001% Southeast Asian
8.825% Mediterranean
0.0765% East Asian
8.5668% Caucasian
66.5814% West European

Äike

02-19-2012, 06:04 PM

Finns, Estonians and Swedes are more woggish than me:D

Southwest Asian:

FI 4.03%
SE 2.65%
EE 2.52

Mediterranean

FI 1.82%
SE 2.25%
EE 7.64%

Yeah right...

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif

Compared to Finnic people, all Europeans are Mediterranean wogs. ;)

Äike

02-19-2012, 06:09 PM

North Euro clusters (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/eurogenes-north-euro-clusters-phase-2.html)

I fall into the French/Belgian cluster.

I find it peculiar that there are Russians placed into the Estonian cluster. Well, as it's done by Polako, then I shouldn't find this surprising. :p

It's quite non-professional of him, though.

Supreme American

02-19-2012, 06:11 PM

Eh, I found a Eurogenes online and it's dedicated to cows.

Loki

02-19-2012, 06:14 PM

I find it peculiar that there are Russians placed into the Estonian cluster. Well, as it's done by Polako, then I shouldn't find this surprising. :p

It's quite non-professional of him, though.

Oh come on Karl ... I find his work to be unbiased and professional, he is doing some great research there with the sampling that he has. I'm pretty sure when he found the clusters he did not have you or your Estonian-Russian rivalry in mind.

Damião de Góis

02-19-2012, 06:17 PM

Finns, Estonians and Swedes are more woggish than me:D

Southwest Asian:

FI 4.03%
SE 2.65%
EE 2.52

That's weird, considering i have 0%

Äike

02-19-2012, 06:36 PM

Oh come on Karl ... I find his work to be unbiased and professional, he is doing some great research there with the sampling that he has. I'm pretty sure when he found the clusters he did not have you or your Estonian-Russian rivalry in mind.

You completely misunderstood me. He just has extremist views about European history, which are very different from the main theories. He uses his "genetic project" to prove his point.

I cannot find any logical explanation to putting Russians into the Estonian cluster. Maybe that's the reason, why his results look so odd, like the high Mediterranean % among "Estonians", while in reality, Estonians are one of the least Mediterranean people in Europe (http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif).

That's weird, considering i have 0%

I stopped following his project a long time ago and I came to this thread, because Pallantides posted on my profile.

His results don't add up with professional researches.

To make it short, he is a biased amateur and taking everything (like Pallantides does) that his research says, as pure truth, isn't a good idea.

Äike

02-19-2012, 06:38 PM

That's weird, considering i have 0%

I forgot to post this map:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

As I said earlier, Polako's research is amateurish and gives very peculiar results that don't add up with professional genetic research.

Loki

02-19-2012, 06:41 PM

To make it short, he is a biased amateur and taking everything (like Pallantides does) that his research says, as pure truth, isn't a good idea.

I totally disagree, his research is infinitely more professional than your criticism thereof.

There is a good reason why Estonians and Northeast Russians overlap or are close, and that is because NE Russia had a substantial Finnic substratum. Even you should know that.

So please stop polluting this thread with your infantile comments, and let the rest of us enjoy it. You're spamming it with nonsense and insults. :rolleyes2:

Damião de Góis

02-19-2012, 06:45 PM

I forgot to post this map:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

As I said earlier, Polako's research is amateurish and gives very peculiar results that don't add up with professional genetic research.

That map is also crap, because i also have 0% on Dodecad yet they show southern Portugal has having 2-5%. As far as i know i'm the only southern Portuguese person on Dodecad. That is mine and Kadu's assertion from the info we gathered about the portuguese sample.
On the other hand, Dodecad doesn't provide regional data about his samples, so Eupedia clearly made that map up, since they are saying they based it on Dodecad's data.

Pallantides

02-19-2012, 06:45 PM

On the Fennoscandia project the Estonians and North Russians overlap as well.
http://i.imgur.com/d6qGR.jpg

Äike

02-19-2012, 06:52 PM

I totally disagree, his research is infinitely more professional than your criticism thereof.

So please stop polluting this thread with your infantile comments, and let the rest of us enjoy it. You're spamming it with nonsense and insults. :rolleyes2:

Please continue enjoying Eurogenes' dubious information which doesn't add up with professional research in many occasions, I won't stop anyone. I was just stating that there are some shortcomings.

There is a good reason why Estonians and Northeast Russians overlap or are close, and that is because NE Russia had a substantial Finnic substratum. Even you should know that.

Of course I know that, for instance, the St. Petersburg region was still very Finnic in the early 20th century.

On the Fennoscandia project the Estonians and North Russians overlap as well.
http://i.imgur.com/d6qGR.jpg

Anyway, how is this related to ethnic Russians being put into the Estonian group?

Finnic or not, they have a substantial amount of Slavic admixture and belong into their own group.

Humanophage

02-19-2012, 07:20 PM

WE12 individuals: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdE5qbHU4YzVXYWtPVVZBRGlaSk9zY kE#gid=0
Ethnic averages for WE12: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdDVKM2Zfdk16R2xYQW9MdlR1dm43Umc

As before, some selected populations and my results (sorted by Baltic):
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/EurogenesWE12.jpg

RU44
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
Baltic 69.07%
Siberian 1.36%
Southwest Asian 3.60%
South Asian 1.77%
East African 0.00%
South Central Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Mediterranean 15.53%
East Asian 0.00%
Caucasian 2.16%
Western European 6.51%

Again, very Baltic. Again, elevated South Asian elements in individuals belonging to Erzya, Vologda Russians, etc.

Please continue enjoying Eurogenes' dubious information which doesn't add up with professional research in many occasions, I won't stop anyone. I was just stating that there are some shortcomings.
Could you give links to the said professional research? As far as I know, it corresponds well to Rasmussen and Yunusbaev. In fact, it's probably better - for instance, many published articles cite Vologda Russians as simply Russian (thought they are very peculiar genetically), it is difficult to find any details of their work, etc.

Additionally, while Estonians may be similar to Russians on a wider scale, they show up quite distinct on admixture runs. As you can see, their West Euro component is considerably larger than that of Russians (21-22% vs. 0-10% with a couple of outliers that reach 12-15%). The Med component is much higher in Russians (6-8% in Estonians, 8-25% in Russians). What's so unusual and anti-Estonian about this?

There are some wrong and wacky parts in all such researches (including professional), but on the overall I wouldn't call them unreliable - and you can often see what is wrong in particular (e.g. the Finns suddenly getting SW Asian in this run) by looking at the patterns.