Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Jackson]

Ok, someone on ABF also kindly posted our IBD matches with others in the Eurogenes project (scaled to population sizes of course), i guess this is relevant and i didn't see a separate thread for it, so here is mine:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/UK42.png

[Graham]

Where's your dad from Jackson? East coast England?

[Jackson]

Where's your dad from Jackson? East coast England?

Well the bulk of his ancestry is from the south-east, with some ancestry from north-west Cheshire and a bit from Ireland (Dublin as far as i know), so most of his ancestry is as far i know, but not all.

[Jackson]

EUtest (with new oracle) from GEDmatch:

Me:
1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.05
2) ATLANTIC 23.74
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 14.18
4) WEST_MED 11.48
5) EAST_EURO 10.1
6) WEST_ASIAN 6.14
7) EAST_MED 4.03
8) MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.93
9) WEST_AFRICAN 0.34

1) West_&_Central_German 3.24
2) NL 3.35
3) English 4.47
4) Cornish 6.13
5) DK 6.36
6) Orcadian 6.39
7) IE 7.23
8) NO 7.32
9) South_&_Central_Swedish 7.66
10) Scottish 8.62

1) 96.7% NL + 3.3% GE @ 2.8
2) 97.6% NL + 2.4% Bedouin @ 2.92
3) 96.8% NL + 3.2% Armenian @ 2.93
4) 96.9% NL + 3.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.93
5) 96.6% NL + 3.4% Algerian @ 2.95

Georgians are much closer than any other possibility...Ties in very well with my mother's calculator.


Dad:
1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 31.33
2) ATLANTIC 25.24
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 13.31
4) WEST_MED 11.97
5) EAST_EURO 10.33
6) EAST_MED 3.26
7) WEST_ASIAN 3.18
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.79
9) MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.59

1) English @ 2.65
2) NL @ 3.64
3) DK @ 4.58
4) West_&_Central_German @ 4.98
5) Cornish @ 5.65
6) Orcadian @ 5.97
7) NO @ 6.37
8) IE @ 6.86
9) South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.1
10) Scottish @ 8.04

1) 86.5% English + 13.5% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.44
2) 86.5% English + 13.5% NO @ 2.49
3) 83.9% English + 16.1% DK @ 2.55
4) 98.4% English + 1.6% LIT @ 2.6
5) 95.9% English + 4.1% North_Swedish @ 2.61

After this the likelihood of possibilities hardly improves, so it seems more likely English + NO/SE/DK rather than English + Eastern European, but obviously don't know. While i still think it's possible there's Near Eastern/Jewish in his ancestry, if there is it's pretty far back...will have to test his parents really.

Mum:
1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.35
2) ATLANTIC 22.46
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 15.49
4) WEST_MED 12.53
5) WEST_ASIAN 9.69
6) EAST_EURO 9.26
7) EAST_MED 5.14
8) WEST_AFRICAN 0.08

1) West_&_Central_German @ 5.84
2) NL @ 6.62
3) English @ 8.15
4) AT @ 8.32
5) Cornish @ 8.82
6) Orcadian @ 9.25
7) IE @ 9.77
8) DK @ 10.21
9) NO @ 10.56
10) South_&_Central_Swedish @ 10.57

1) 90.2% NL + 9.8% GE @ 3.87
2) 92.3% West_&_Central_German + 7.7% GE @ 4.12
3) 89.2% NL + 10.8% Lezgin @ 4.44
4) 91.6% West_&_Central_German + 8.4% Lezgin @ 4.51
5) 90.8% NL + 9.2% Armenian @ 4.68
6) 89.6% NL + 10.4% TR @ 4.75
7) 93.3% West_&_Central_German + 6.7% Armenian @ 4.81
8) 88.3% English + 11.7% GE @ 4.85
9) 92.5% West_&_Central_German + 7.5% TR @ 4.89
10) 91.5% NL + 8.5% Kurdish @ 5.11

Now this makes me think it probably is Georgian (or at least something West Asian) in my Mum's ancestry - Especially as the amount she gets is almost double mine, so it works out perfectly in regards to generations. This would make her probably 1/8 or possibly 1/16 Georgian/West Asian. Interesting stuff.

In terms of accuracy, this is the most consistent of the calculators i've seen - Especially as there is a consistency between mine and my mother's results - and it seems both plausible and very interesting considering there was apparently a Georgian diaspora in the 19th century...

[Graham]

West_&_Central_German, is that new? cool. Nice results.

[Jackson]

West_&_Central_German, is that new? cool. Nice results.

Cheers! Yeah i think they re-labelled it from German to West & Central German for accuracy's sake, as East Germans seem to be quite different from West Germans...And i think a lot of the samples in other projects are actually more East German.

[Graham]

OK, gave it a shot.

http://imageshack.us/a/img547/4721/41024236.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/1372/32486890.jpg

[Quasimodem]

I got the following in EUtest...

Admix Results (sorted):

<table bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <tbody><tr><td align="center">#</td><td>Population</td><td align="right">Percent</td></tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">1</td> <td width="120">NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO</td> <td align="right" width="50">27.42</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">2</td> <td width="120">ATLANTIC</td> <td align="right" width="50">22.82</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">3</td> <td width="120">EAST_EURO</td> <td align="right" width="50">15.19</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">4</td> <td width="120">SOUTH_BALTIC</td> <td align="right" width="50">14.85</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">5</td> <td width="120">WEST_MED</td> <td align="right" width="50">12.69</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">6</td> <td width="120">EAST_MED</td> <td align="right" width="50">4.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">7</td> <td width="120">WEST_ASIAN</td> <td align="right" width="50">2.61</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="30">8</td> <td width="120">SOUTH_ASIAN</td> <td align="right" width="50">0.12</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Single Population Sharing:

<table bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <tbody><tr><td align="center">#</td><td>Population (source)</td><td align="right">Distance</td></tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">1</td> <td width="220">NL</td> <td align="right" width="50">4.08</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">2</td> <td width="220">West_&_Central_German </td> <td align="right" width="50">4.31</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">3</td> <td width="220">DK</td> <td align="right" width="50">5.11</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">4</td> <td width="220">NO</td> <td align="right" width="50">5.82</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">5</td> <td width="220">English</td> <td align="right" width="50">6.13</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">6</td> <td width="220">South_&_Central_Swedish</td> <td align="right" width="50">6.19</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">7</td> <td width="220">Cornish</td> <td align="right" width="50">7.23</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">8</td> <td width="220">Orcadian</td> <td align="right" width="50">7.7</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">9</td> <td width="220">IE</td> <td align="right" width="50">8.63</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">10</td> <td width="220">North_Swedish</td> <td align="right" width="50">8.75</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">11</td> <td width="220">AT</td> <td align="right" width="50">8.92</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">12</td> <td width="220">Scottish</td> <td align="right" width="50">10.08</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">13</td> <td width="220">FR</td> <td align="right" width="50">11.85</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">14</td> <td width="220">HU</td> <td align="right" width="50">13.69</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">15</td> <td width="220">Serbian</td> <td align="right" width="50">16.36</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">16</td> <td width="220">South_Finnish</td> <td align="right" width="50">16.49</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">17</td> <td width="220">PL</td> <td align="right" width="50">18.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">18</td> <td width="220">PT</td> <td align="right" width="50">18.68</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">19</td> <td width="220">ES</td> <td align="right" width="50">19.45</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="40">20</td> <td width="220">RO</td> <td align="right" width="50">19.87</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

<table bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><tbody><tr><td align="center" width="20">#</td><td width="15">
</td><td colspan="3">Primary Population (source)</td> <td colspan="3">Secondary Population (source)</td> <td align="right">Distance</td></tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">1</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">89.6%</td><td width="200"> South_&_Central_Swedish</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">10.4%</td><td width="200"> Sardinian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.38</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">2</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">90.4%</td><td width="200"> NO</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">9.6%</td><td width="200"> Sardinian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.65</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">3</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">89.4%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">10.6%</td><td width="200"> North_Russian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.75</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">4</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">75.7%</td><td width="200"> DK</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">24.3%</td><td width="200"> HU</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.75</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">5</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">80.7%</td><td width="200"> NO</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">19.3%</td><td width="200"> North_Italian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">6</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">66.5%</td><td width="200"> DK</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">33.5%</td><td width="200"> AT</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.81</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">7</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">88.7%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">11.3%</td><td width="200"> East_Russian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.84</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">8</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">88%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">12%</td><td width="200"> Ukrainian-Russian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.89</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">9</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">58.2%</td><td width="200"> North_Swedish</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">41.8%</td><td width="200"> FR</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">2.9</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">10</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">90%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">10%</td><td width="200"> Northwest_Russian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">11</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">82.6%</td><td width="200"> DK</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">17.4%</td><td width="200"> RO</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">12</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">87.8%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">12.2%</td><td width="200"> UA</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.01</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">13</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">85.5%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">14.5%</td><td width="200"> South_Finnish</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.02</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">14</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">89%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">11%</td><td width="200"> Belorussian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.02</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">15</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">88.5%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">11.5%</td><td width="200"> East_Finnish</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.02</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">16</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">88.2%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">11.8%</td><td width="200"> West_Russian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.04</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">17</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">79.9%</td><td width="200"> English</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">20.1%</td><td width="200"> Ukrainian-Russian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.05</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">18</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">90.8%</td><td width="200"> NL</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">9.2%</td><td width="200"> Erzya</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.07</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">19</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">79.9%</td><td width="200"> South_&_Central_Swedish</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">20.1%</td><td width="200"> North_Italian</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.08</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" width="20">20</td><td width="15">
</td> <td align="right" width="30">83.9%</td><td width="200"> NO</td> <td> + </td> <td align="right" width="30">16.1%</td><td width="200"> Tuscan</td> <td> @ </td><td align="right" width="50">3.1</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Graham]

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/2028/95364744.jpg

The lack of Non European segments . The high North Central + Atlantic.

Feel so North West European. :D

[Jackson]

OK, gave it a shot.

http://imageshack.us/a/img547/4721/41024236.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/1372/32486890.jpg

Cool, thanks. Very interesting. I guess this kind of makes sense for you if you are Anglo-Scot ancestry-wise? Although it's interesting how you are relatively closer to Danes than Norwegians compared to my family. I'd have thought it would be the other way round, with Shetland & Cumbrian ancestry. But i guess it's just a quirk of how the populations are related to each other.

Pretty cool tools though.

[Graham]

Aye, my Scottish nationalist side's being crushed, by an Anglo Saxon invasion. :D

..or is it Canute? :P

[Lisa]

Just wondering - why Polako - took as "West russian" - Ru19 - Americans - probably with Jewish roots - from South Urals?

[Atlantic Islander]

Jtest

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/newjtestadmix.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/newjtestsingpopshare.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/newjtestmixedmodepopshare.png

EUtest

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/newutestadmix.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/neweutestsingpopshare.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/eutestmixedmodepopshare.png

[Shtrun]

http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/1211/e9/823e040fdd98.png

[Lisa]

http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/1211/e9/823e040fdd98.png

Beware - there viruses ^^ :(

[Jackson]

Aye, my Scottish nationalist side's being crushed, by an Anglo Saxon invasion. :D

..or is it Canute? :P

Haha unlucky... Well you'll just have to live on the border maybe?

[Graham]

Haha unlucky... Well you'll just have to live on the border maybe?

My Grandad is a Cumbrian, Lake District & my surname is a Border clan name. So I have no problem with that. :)

[Jackson]

My Grandad is a Cumbrian, Lake District & my surname is a Border clan name. So I have no problem with that. :)

Ah cool cool :). Yeah my Scottish ancestry is from the borders actually - Not far from Berwick. The borders is as an often understated place i think - Like a lot of people (when they go on holiday or to visit the country) just go past the borders and into the more spectacular areas...but actually the borders is the best region imho, lots of history. Although this year i was up there earlier in the year when the whole region had floods, only drawback really.

[Rochefaton]

EU Test


1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 31.7
2 ATLANTIC 25.63
3 WEST_MED 12.7
4 EAST_EURO 12.44
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.44
6 WEST_ASIAN 5.03
7 EAST_MED 1.37
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.5
9 WEST_AFRICAN -


1 English 3.72
2 NL 4.45
3 DK 4.7
4 Orcadian 5.52
5 Cornish 5.67
6 IE 5.78
7 West_&_Central_German 6.07
8 NO 6.29
9 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.56
10 Scottish 7.57
11 North_Swedish 11.63
12 FR 12.15
13 AT 13.69
14 HU 18.8
15 PT 19.4
16 ES 19.86
17 South_Finnish 20.65
18 Serbian 20.9
19 North_Italian 23.26
20 PL 23.65


1 78.2% English + 21.8% NO @ 3.41
2 70.1% English + 29.9% DK @ 3.46
3 86.6% English + 13.4% South_&_Central_Swedish@3.57
4 98.4% English + 1.6% Kalash @ 3.6
5 93.3% English + 6.7% North_Swedish @ 3.63
6 98% English + 2% Komi @ 3.65
7 98.9% English + 1.1% Burusho @ 3.66
8 87.8% English + 12.2% IE @ 3.66
9 98.1% English + 1.9% East_Russian @ 3.67
10 99.3% English + 0.7% Gujarati @ 3.68
11 98.5% English + 1.5% Udmurt @ 3.68
12 98% English + 2% East_Finnish @ 3.68
13 99.3% English + 0.7% IN @ 3.68
14 98.5% English + 1.5% Erzya @ 3.68
15 99.3% English + 0.7% Sindhi @ 3.69
16 98.5% English + 1.5% North_Russian @ 3.69
17 99.4% English + 0.6% Bangladeshi @ 3.69
18 98% English + 2% South_Finnish @ 3.69
19 99.5% English + 0.5% Selkup @ 3.7
20 99.7% English + 0.3% South_Indian @ 3.7

I find it rather interesting that on mixed mode I show up 70-86% English with some Scandinavian admixture in the first three likely results, and then 98.4% English and 1.6% Kalash as the 4th most likely result.

Perhaps that is due to some shared ancestry between Indo-European peoples?

[Shtrun]

Beware - there viruses ^^ :(

Link2 (http://narod.ru/disk/63444488001.0bde2ec789ff179b2de183da9f8ba195/823e040fdd98.png.html)

[Atlantic Islander]

IBD matches thanks to Daytripper (from ABF):

http://i50.tinypic.com/21b62vm.jpg

Closer up:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/section1.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/section2.png
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/section3.png

Black = 1+ cM
Red = 2+ cM
Yellow = 3+ cM
Green = 4+ cM
Blue = 5+ cM
Magenta = 6+ cM


What's interesting is Serbia is the second biggest oval, rather than Spain.

[evon]

What's interesting is Serbia is the second biggest oval, rather than Spain.

Jewish link maybe? who were expelled from Iberia and migrated to the Ottoman Balkans?

[Atlantic Islander]

Jewish link maybe? who were expelled from Iberia and migrated to the Ottoman Balkans?

I have no idea, but they disappear once it gets to the Yellow (3+ cM).

[Ausência Forçada]

What's interesting is Serbia is the second biggest oval, rather than Spain.

And Denmark...

[Quasimodem]

What's interesting is Serbia is the second biggest oval, rather than Spain.


Jewish link maybe? who were expelled from Iberia and migrated to the Ottoman Balkans?

Small sample size, therefore large margin of error.

[Sicilianu101]

http://i.imgur.com/dDXlq.png
http://i.imgur.com/GdnIs.png
http://i.imgur.com/neRmG.png

I got my EUtest & JTest results but how do you do the single population and mixed mode sharing feature??

[Sicilianu101]

EUTest

EAST_MED 28.73%
WEST_MED 18.37%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 13.97%
WEST_ASIAN 13.95%
ATLANTIC 12.95%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.80%
SOUTH_BALTIC 2.91%
WEST_AFRICAN 0.96%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.36%
EAST_EURO - 0
SOUTH_ASIAN- 0
EAST_ASIAN- 0
SIBERIAN- 0

JTest

EAST_MED 27.09%
WEST_MED 17.64%
WEST_ASIAN 13.02%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 12.97%
ATLANTIC 12.12%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.30%
ASHKENAZI 5.99%
SOUTH_BALTIC 2.67%
WEST_AFRICAN 1.01%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20%
EAST_EURO - 0
SOUTH_ASIAN- 0
EAST_ASIAN- 0
SIBERIAN- 0

[Scarlet Ibis]

I got my EUtest & JTest results but how do you do the single population and mixed mode sharing feature??

When you go to the Ad-Mix page where you're selecting which calculator you want to use, make sure you check the box that says "Admixture Proportions (with link to Oracle)"

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2v8mwpz.jpg


Then, after the calculator runs your pie chart results, scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on the button that says "Oracle"

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2ecztq0.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

Small sample size, therefore large margin of error.

Thanks, I had wanted to ask you about it when it was first posted, but I didn't want to bother you.

[Atlantic Islander]

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[evon]

Jtest now has 2D and 3D maps options alongside oracle via gedmatch for those interested!

[Graham]

Sort of difficult to make anything from it, fun though. (3,4)(4,3)
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/6198/graphi.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img854/1267/graph2w.jpg

[Jackson]

Difficult to tell whats going on. And only one or two of the settings seem to make any sense - I'll need to check on interpretome what is the best setting to use.

[Jackson]

Hmm PC1 and PC2 don't make sense - The Portuguese are right next to the Serbians. This isn't very useful at the moment unfortunately.

[Graham]

Try (3,4)(4,3) like I have.

[Jackson]

All my family appear in the same place as far as i can tell, but i'll post them anyway. On the (4,3) we all end up close to the Kurdish, Georgians, Romanians, Serbians. *shrug*

[Jackson]

Me (3,4):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Sam2DPCA34.jpg

Me (4,3):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Sam2DPCA43.jpg

Father (3,4):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Graham2DPCA34.jpg

Father (4,3):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Graham2DPCA43.jpg

Mother (3,4):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Elaine2DPCA34.jpg

Mother (4,3):
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Elaine2DPCA43.jpg

[evon]

for me the best 3D was 1,2,3. The best 2D was 1, 2.

[Damião de Góis]

(1,2)

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2ic32tf.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/e546yi.gif
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/rey656.png

[Jackson]

Here's my phased data files for paternal and maternal sides, EUtest & Oracle:


Paternal Phased Data File:
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 31.15
2 ATLANTIC 24.12
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.96
4 WEST_MED 12.4
5 EAST_EURO 10.87
6 MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.19
7 WEST_ASIAN 3.08
8 EAST_MED 1.06
9 EAST_ASIAN 0.15
10 WEST_AFRICAN 0.01

1 English 5.49
2 NL 5.83
3 DK 5.88
4 West_&_Central_German 6.88
5 NO 7
6 Cornish 7.38
7 Orcadian 7.46
8 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.75
9 IE 8.14
10 Scottish 9.45

1) 93.2% DK + 6.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.59
2) 92.3% DK + 7.7% Moroccan @ 4.7
3) 77.7% NO + 22.3% PT @ 4.72
4) 95.1% English + 4.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.84
5) 79% NO + 21% ES @ 4.9
6) 93.4% DK + 6.6% Algerian @ 4.93
7) 85.1% DK + 14.9% PT @ 4.96
8) 89.5% NO + 10.5% Moroccan @ 4.97
9) 94.2% DK + 5.8% Sardinian @ 5.01
10) 69.8% NO + 30.2% FR @ 5.03

This is interesting because it picks up on something i had thought some time earlier...The nature of my Dad apparently having the Middle-eastern genes in my family, but below average East Med/Near Eastern led me initially to believe there might be some distant North African ancestry somewhere on his side, which seems possible. It could just be that he takes after the side of the family that doesn't have this ancestry (his mother), as he definitely does take after her both physically and mentally. But i think it couldn't be more than 6%. Only sure way to know is to test his parents and his sister, but it throws an interesting perspective anyway. His 'base' comes out even more Anglian in this as well, which is interesting too although less important.

Maternal Phased Data File:

1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.76
2 ATLANTIC 23.58
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.3
4 WEST_MED 10.59
5 EAST_EURO 9.31
6 WEST_ASIAN 9.11
7 EAST_MED 6.93
8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.38
9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.03

1 West_&_Central_German 5.18
2 NL 6.43
3 AT 7.69
4 English 7.9
5 Cornish 8.44
6 Orcadian 8.77
7 IE 9.43
8 DK 9.98
9 Scottish 10.46
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 10.57

1 91.9% West_&_Central_German + 8.1% GE @ 2.84
2 89.8% NL + 10.2% GE @ 3.16
3 91% West_&_Central_German + 9% Lezgin @ 3.33
4 92.5% West_&_Central_German + 7.5% Armenian @ 3.58
5 91.4% West_&_Central_German + 8.6% TR @ 3.64
6 88.5% NL + 11.5% Lezgin @ 3.76
7 89.9% NL + 10.1% Armenian @ 3.85
8 92.8% West_&_Central_German + 7.2% Kurdish @ 3.87
9 88.5% NL + 11.5% TR @ 3.89
10 92.8% West_&_Central_German + 7.2% IR @ 3.93

This is spot on compared with her others (even as a phased profile), and picks up clearly on the Georgian. Her high South Baltic is again quite interesting. I'm thinking there is two possibilities for this:
1) She has a very southern British base (closeness to Dutch, Germans, Cornish, Austrians but not to Scottish, Danish, Norwegians or Swedes) plus maybe 6-12% Georgian/Caucasian ancestry.
2) She has a central 'average' or central-western British base with a bit of German, French(?) (or Austrian(?) (relative finder)) ancestry as well as 6% or so Georgian ancestry.

A southern British base with a pull to the west (Wales, Scotland) would make sense genaeologically.

In any case my family don't seem to be average joes, and i think i'll have to start investigating this even more soon. :)

Hats off to Polako/David for making an extremely useful tool.

[Pallantides]

http://i.imgur.com/4BBqE.gif

[Jackson]

Interestingly here is my Paternal Phased file for Eurogenes K=12:

South Asian 0.39%
Caucasus 1.72%
Southwest Asian 3.11%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.48%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 14.45%
East Asian 0.13%
West African 0.37%
Volga-Ural 6.30%
South Baltic 11.77%
Western European 26.81%
North Sea 34.47%

Caucasus is even further below average, and small amounts of African show up even more clearly. And of course there's the Mediterranean and South-west Asian again (both of which are very high in North Africans looking at the maps on the Eurogenes blog page for K=12)

Might be on to something.

I'll stop posting so much now, just thought it might be interesting to share.

[Patches]

My JTest and EUtest PCA's:

http://img22.imageshack.us/edit_preview.php?l=img22/5656/eutpc.png&action=rotate

http://img211.imageshack.us/edit_preview.php?l=img211/5/jtest.png&action=rotate

Eurogenes Jtest:

SOUTH_BALTIC 11.43%
EAST_EURO 11.11%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.34%
ATLANTIC 25.04%
WEST_MED 10.84%
ASHKENAZI 4.49%
EAST_MED 2.79%
WEST_ASIAN 3.90%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.44%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.30%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.32%

and EUTest:


SOUTH_BALTIC 11.49%
EAST_EURO 11.41%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.66%
ATLANTIC 25.68%
WEST_MED 11.48%
EAST_MED 4.40%
WEST_ASIAN 4.65%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.50%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.43%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.30%

[Barreldriver]

Finally got around to re-uploading to Gedmatch. My EUtest results:

Admix:

SOUTH_BALTIC 10.75%
EAST_EURO 11.44%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.32%
ATLANTIC 25.83%
WEST_MED 15.02%
EAST_MED 4.91%
WEST_ASIAN 5.44%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.11%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.12%

Oracle:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 NL 4.65
2 Cornish 4.65
3 English 5.04
4 West_&_Central_German 5.39
5 Orcadian 6.82
6 IE 6.92
7 FR 7.35
8 DK 7.95
9 Scottish 8.67
10 NO 9.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% NL + 7.6% Sardinian @ 2.69
2 91.5% English + 8.5% Sardinian @ 2.7
3 64.9% NL + 35.1% FR @ 2.85
4 52.3% FR + 47.7% DK @ 2.94
5 58.3% FR + 41.7% NO @ 2.96
6 88.2% Orcadian + 11.8% Sardinian @ 2.97
7 80.8% NL + 19.2% ES @ 3.02
8 62.5% English + 37.5% FR @ 3.06
9 86.5% NL + 13.5% French_Basque @ 3.19
10 81.6% NL + 18.4% PT @ 3.28
11 51.9% IE + 48.1% FR @ 3.28
12 82.4% English + 17.6% North_Italian @ 3.29
13 52.4% Orcadian + 47.6% FR @ 3.31
14 87.4% Cornish + 12.6% Tuscan @ 3.35
15 93.4% Cornish + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.37
16 79.9% English + 20.1% ES @ 3.39
17 83.8% West_&_Central_German + 16.2% French_Basque @ 3.4
18 61.2% FR + 38.8% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.43
19 78.8% IE + 21.2% Tuscan @ 3.49
20 88.5% IE + 11.5% Sardinian @ 3.5

4 Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 NL @ 5.021
2 Cornish @ 5.166
3 English @ 5.517
4 West_&_Central_German @ 5.804
5 Orcadian @ 7.535
6 IE @ 7.699
7 FR @ 8.430
8 DK @ 8.850
9 Scottish @ 9.656
10 NO @ 11.056


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% DK +50% FR @ 3.089
2 50% FR +50% NO @ 3.578
3 50% FR +50% NL @ 3.630
4 50% FR +50% IE @ 3.690
5 50% FR +50% Orcadian @ 3.735
6 50% English +50% FR @ 3.742
7 50% FR +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 4.264
8 50% FR +50% West_&_Central_German @ 4.318
9 50% Cornish +50% NL @ 4.401
10 50% Cornish +50% FR @ 4.438


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +25% IE +25% NO @ 2.658
2 50% FR +25% DK +25% IE @ 2.798
3 50% NL +25% Cornish +25% FR @ 2.871
4 50% NL +25% FR +25% IE @ 2.906
5 50% FR +25% NO +25% Orcadian @ 2.926
6 50% FR +25% IE +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.941
7 50% IE +25% DK +25% North_Italian @ 3.010
8 50% FR +25% DK +25% Orcadian @ 3.082
9 50% NL +25% ES +25% Orcadian @ 3.086
10 50% DK +25% FR +25% FR @ 3.089


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 FR + FR + IE + NO @ 2.658
2 DK + FR + FR + IE @ 2.798
3 Cornish + FR + NL + NL @ 2.871
4 FR + IE + NL + NL @ 2.906
5 FR + FR + NO + Orcadian @ 2.926
6 FR + FR + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.941
7 DK + IE + IE + North_Italian @ 3.010
8 FR + IE + NL + West_&_Central_German @ 3.078
9 DK + FR + FR + Orcadian @ 3.082
10 ES + NL + NL + Orcadian @ 3.086
11 DK + DK + FR + FR @ 3.089
12 English + FR + IE + NL @ 3.091
13 English + FR + FR + NO @ 3.099
14 FR + FR + IE + NL @ 3.100
15 FR + FR + NL + NO @ 3.105
16 ES + IE + NL + NL @ 3.106
17 English + IE + NO + North_Italian @ 3.106
18 FR + IE + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 3.109
19 Cornish + FR + FR + NO @ 3.129
20 FR + NL + NL + NL @ 3.134

[Jackson]

Finally got around to re-uploading to Gedmatch. My EUtest results:

Admix:

SOUTH_BALTIC 10.75%
EAST_EURO 11.44%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.32%
ATLANTIC 25.83%
WEST_MED 15.02%
EAST_MED 4.91%
WEST_ASIAN 5.44%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.11%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.12%

Oracle:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 NL 4.65
2 Cornish 4.65
3 English 5.04
4 West_&_Central_German 5.39
5 Orcadian 6.82
6 IE 6.92
7 FR 7.35
8 DK 7.95
9 Scottish 8.67
10 NO 9.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% NL + 7.6% Sardinian @ 2.69
2 91.5% English + 8.5% Sardinian @ 2.7
3 64.9% NL + 35.1% FR @ 2.85
4 52.3% FR + 47.7% DK @ 2.94
5 58.3% FR + 41.7% NO @ 2.96
6 88.2% Orcadian + 11.8% Sardinian @ 2.97
7 80.8% NL + 19.2% ES @ 3.02
8 62.5% English + 37.5% FR @ 3.06
9 86.5% NL + 13.5% French_Basque @ 3.19
10 81.6% NL + 18.4% PT @ 3.28
11 51.9% IE + 48.1% FR @ 3.28
12 82.4% English + 17.6% North_Italian @ 3.29
13 52.4% Orcadian + 47.6% FR @ 3.31
14 87.4% Cornish + 12.6% Tuscan @ 3.35
15 93.4% Cornish + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.37
16 79.9% English + 20.1% ES @ 3.39
17 83.8% West_&_Central_German + 16.2% French_Basque @ 3.4
18 61.2% FR + 38.8% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.43
19 78.8% IE + 21.2% Tuscan @ 3.49
20 88.5% IE + 11.5% Sardinian @ 3.5

4 Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 NL @ 5.021
2 Cornish @ 5.166
3 English @ 5.517
4 West_&_Central_German @ 5.804
5 Orcadian @ 7.535
6 IE @ 7.699
7 FR @ 8.430
8 DK @ 8.850
9 Scottish @ 9.656
10 NO @ 11.056


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% DK +50% FR @ 3.089
2 50% FR +50% NO @ 3.578
3 50% FR +50% NL @ 3.630
4 50% FR +50% IE @ 3.690
5 50% FR +50% Orcadian @ 3.735
6 50% English +50% FR @ 3.742
7 50% FR +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 4.264
8 50% FR +50% West_&_Central_German @ 4.318
9 50% Cornish +50% NL @ 4.401
10 50% Cornish +50% FR @ 4.438


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +25% IE +25% NO @ 2.658
2 50% FR +25% DK +25% IE @ 2.798
3 50% NL +25% Cornish +25% FR @ 2.871
4 50% NL +25% FR +25% IE @ 2.906
5 50% FR +25% NO +25% Orcadian @ 2.926
6 50% FR +25% IE +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.941
7 50% IE +25% DK +25% North_Italian @ 3.010
8 50% FR +25% DK +25% Orcadian @ 3.082
9 50% NL +25% ES +25% Orcadian @ 3.086
10 50% DK +25% FR +25% FR @ 3.089


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 FR + FR + IE + NO @ 2.658
2 DK + FR + FR + IE @ 2.798
3 Cornish + FR + NL + NL @ 2.871
4 FR + IE + NL + NL @ 2.906
5 FR + FR + NO + Orcadian @ 2.926
6 FR + FR + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.941
7 DK + IE + IE + North_Italian @ 3.010
8 FR + IE + NL + West_&_Central_German @ 3.078
9 DK + FR + FR + Orcadian @ 3.082
10 ES + NL + NL + Orcadian @ 3.086
11 DK + DK + FR + FR @ 3.089
12 English + FR + IE + NL @ 3.091
13 English + FR + FR + NO @ 3.099
14 FR + FR + IE + NL @ 3.100
15 FR + FR + NL + NO @ 3.105
16 ES + IE + NL + NL @ 3.106
17 English + IE + NO + North_Italian @ 3.106
18 FR + IE + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 3.109
19 Cornish + FR + FR + NO @ 3.129
20 FR + NL + NL + NL @ 3.134

Does it make sense for your ancestry? (Was it British Isles + German with a tiny bit of Portuguese?)

[Barreldriver]

Does it make sense for your ancestry? (Was it British Isles + German with a tiny bit of Portuguese?)

Ye're about right with regards to my ancestry. I'm a bit over 3/4ths derived from the British Isles, the remainder is German with a wee bit of Portuguese (Ancestry Finder & Relative Finder seem to think some distant Russian in there too but those matches in Russia&Ukraine have German surnames on their profile so it's probably a common link via Germany).

As for the results makin' sense, I think its a fair approximation given that I've got a primary pull from the NW of Europe (via the UK) with the German pullin' me a bit east and the minor Portuguese pulling me a bit South. It doesn't help my case that my British Isle's background, though over 75% of my ancestral stock, is very diverse ranging from Yorkshire to as far Southwest as Somerset, then Ulster & Isle of Man, and South Wales. I'd think the results would be more stable if that portion of my background was from one region of the UK instead of little bits from all over the UK.

[Jackson]

Got my results back for my Dad's parent's and my Mum's sister. Very interesting. Think i could have a dash of Italian on my Mum's side but probably nothing foreign (at least in recent years) on my Dad's side.

My mother's sister - It's surprising as her caucasus is within normal levels, maybe slightly on the high side, while my mother's is very high. Although it would make sense that my mother takes more after that ancestry, looking at them - Her sister is much fairer. I'll use EUtest as it gives a good overall view.

This is quite ironic, because it was always my Grandfather who was joked about having foreign ancestry, but he seems the most typical Englishman. xD He'll find that funny, if he can hear what we're saying that is =/. That Siberian also shows up more significantly on other calculators, so it might be pointing (along with the other components) at some Norwegian ancestry, although ancient or recent i don't know. Shows up at 0.26% in the K=12, which is not much - but it's always there. His mt-DNA turned out to be H1 - Fairly boring but i will run it through the mt-hap tool by James Lick later to see if more can be gleaned.
Edit: My grandfather's mt-DNA appears to be a group one mutation downstream of H1b4, i'll look up more about it in a minute, but 23&me says it is most common in Eastern Europe and the Baltic, interesting.

My Grandmother's makes sense too - She is half Cheshire half London in ancestry, so a slight western pull makes sense, although in other calculators as well she comes out North-Sea heavy still, so perhaps not a bastion of Celtic-ness =S. That French Basque being significantly closer than the others is interesting, although i don't know how likely that is, probably not very.

I'll make some more phased files for my Dad's side of the family later. Will make things even more complicated :D.

Aunt:

1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.5
2) ATLANTIC 23.54
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 15.68
4) WEST_MED 13.2
5) EAST_EURO 8.73
6) EAST_MED 4.99
7) WEST_ASIAN 4.51
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.86

1) NL 3.98
2) West_&_Central_German 4.08
3) English 5.01
4) Cornish 6.63
5) DK 7.45
6) Orcadian 7.68
7) NO 8.42
8) South_&_Central_Swedish 8.47
9) IE 8.61
10) AT 9.59
11) Scottish 9.82
12) FR 9.82

1) 80.5% English + 19.5% HU @ 3.63
2) 92.3% NL + 7.7% North_Italian @ 3.64
3) 54.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 45.6% FR @ 3.66
4) 96.9% NL + 3.1% Sardinian @ 3.66
5) 94% NL + 6% Tuscan @ 3.68
6) 96.6% West_&_Central_German + 3.4% Sardinian @ 3.71
7) 72.6% English + 27.4% AT @ 3.74
8) 87% NL + 13% FR @ 3.74
9) 92.8% NL + 7.2% PT @ 3.77
10) 96.6% NL + 3.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.8

Paternal Grandfather:

1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.59
2) ATLANTIC 26.77
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 14.42
4) EAST_EURO 11.13
5) WEST_MED 10.5
6) WEST_ASIAN 4.16
7) EAST_MED 2.99
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.31
9) MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.08
10) SIBERIAN 0.06

1) English 2.29
2) NL 2.71
3) Orcadian 3.63
4) DK 3.87
5) West_&_Central_German 3.96
6) Cornish 4.41
7) IE 4.84
8) NO 5.23
9) Scottish 5.82
10) South_&_Central_Swedish 5.92

1) 75.1% English + 24.9% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 1.25
2) 93.1% English + 6.9% EE @ 1.42
3) 94.3% English + 5.7% LIT @ 1.44
4) 74.1% English + 25.9% NO @ 1.47
5) 94.6% English + 5.4% Northwest_Russian @ 1.63
6) 94.1% English + 5.9% Belorussian @ 1.64
7) 86.5% English + 13.5% North_Swedish @ 1.64
8) 93.4% English + 6.6% PL @ 1.71
9) 92.7% English + 7.3% South_Finnish @ 1.72
10) 94.1% English + 5.9% West_Russian @ 1.73

Paternal Grandmother:

1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.59
2) ATLANTIC 28.68
3) WEST_MED 12.91
4) SOUTH_BALTIC 11.48
5) EAST_EURO 10.45
6) EAST_MED 4.25
7) WEST_ASIAN 2.3
8) WEST_AFRICAN 0.2
9) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.12
10) EAST_ASIAN 0.03

1) English 2.57
2) Cornish 3.17
3) NL 4.57
4) Orcadian 4.93
5) IE 5.45
6) West_&_Central_German 6.02
7) DK 6.02
8) Scottish 6.3
9) NO 8.47
10) South_&_Central_Swedish 9.54

1) 91.3% English + 8.7% French_Basque @ 1.47
2) 92.9% English + 7.1% ES @ 2.21
3) 63.4% English + 36.6% Cornish @ 2.21
4) 97.7% English + 2.3% Sardinian @ 2.31
5) 89.9% English + 10.1% FR @ 2.33
6) 94.4% English + 5.6% PT @ 2.36
7) 93.2% English + 6.8% Scottish @ 2.53
8) 99.1% English + 0.9% Moroccan @ 2.53
9) 94.6% English + 5.4% IE @ 2.55
10) 99.5% English + 0.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.55

[Jackson]

Hmm, Grandfather's Siberian goes up to almost 1% in a couple of tests.

Eurogenes K12b, :eek:

Western European 44.67%
Siberian 0.98% :cool:
East African 0.17%
West Central Asian 3.80%
South Asian 0.21%
West African -
Caucasus 4.23%
Finnish 5.17%
Mediterranean 13.61%
Southwest Asian 0.55%
North European 26.60%
East Asian -

Lol, maybe noise, but interesting nonetheless...

[Graham]

Got my results back for my Dad's parent's and my Mum's sister. Very interesting. Think i could have a dash of Italian on my Mum's side but probably nothing foreign (at least in recent years) on my Dad's side.


Will they show up with the rest of your family on my share list?

Always like to use compare genes with everyone.

[Jackson]

Will they show up with the rest of your family on my share list?

Always like to use compare genes with everyone.

They should do, if not give me a shout and i'll send you another invite, or i'll work out a way of changing our sharing options :). Their RF/AF/ancestry composition should be ready in a day or two so that should be interesting - Although i will have to place them in my family tree to get the best results it seems.

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

Siberians are the father of all scandinavian people

[Jackson]

Here's the EUtest results for my Dad's phased data files, and they are actually very similar (but not identical) to their actual results - Variations on a theme really, all the key components are there in roughly the right amounts. Should give me some more insight on to each side of the ancestry. In fact the paternal one is probably what i'd expect my great-grandfather to be like, or quite similar, and my maternal phased one is very similar to the original. Although these phased files are within the sort of variation i'd expect for what a person of a given ancestry could be - So the phased file could be like a brother or sister of the actual person theoretically (even though they are not) who inherited the same things but in slightly different amounts.

Paternal phased data file (aka 'Alternative Grandfather') - (Seems i finally found someone who beats Graham on North Central Euro, although they aren't even real xD, but with the same ancestry as my grandfather):

1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 32.75
2) ATLANTIC 23.06
3) SOUTH_BALTIC 14.26
4) WEST_MED 10.81
5) EAST_EURO 10
6) WEST_ASIAN 5.08
7) MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.86
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 1.16
9) EAST_MED 1.02

1) English 5.91
2) DK 6.05
3) NL 6.13
4) NO 6.41
5) South_&_Central_Swedish 6.75
6) West_&_Central_German 6.96
7) Orcadian 7.96
8) Cornish 8.63
9) IE 8.71
10) Scottish 9.94

1) 59.1% English + 40.9% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 4.99
2) 56.8% English + 43.2% NO @ 5.13
3) 54.7% NL + 45.3% NO @ 5.48
4) 59% NL + 41% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.48
5) 54.3% English + 45.7% DK @ 5.53
6) 83.7% English + 16.3% North_Swedish @ 5.58
7) 89.7% NO + 10.3% Tuscan @ 5.58
8) 86.5% NO + 13.5% PT @ 5.59
9) 80.7% NO + 19.3% FR @ 5.6
10) 77.7% South_&_Central_Swedish + 22.3% FR @ 5.63

Maternal phased data file (aka 'Alternative Grandmother') - (Turns out very similar to her actual results, but with slightly more East Mediterranean and slightly less West Asian, very interesting - Picks up on the same things as the original but in different amounts):

1) NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.97
2) ATLANTIC 27.49
3) WEST_MED 13.01
4) SOUTH_BALTIC 12.43
5) EAST_EURO 10.51
6) EAST_MED 5.02
7) WEST_ASIAN 1.11
8) SOUTH_ASIAN 0.36
9) WEST_AFRICAN 0.09

1) English 2.83
2) Cornish 4.21
3) NL 4.29
4) West_&_Central_German 5.6
5) DK 5.72
6) Orcadian 5.93
7) IE 6.74
8) Scottish 7.55
9) NO 8.16
10) South_&_Central_Swedish 9.03

1) 94.6% English + 5.4% French_Basque @ 2.51
2) 97.4% English + 2.6% Sardinian @ 2.52
3) 93.1% English + 6.9% ES @ 2.53
4) 93.6% English + 6.4% PT @ 2.58
5) 89.5% English + 10.5% FR @ 2.6
6) 98.9% English + 1.1% Moroccan @ 2.79
7) 97.9% English + 2.1% North_Italian @ 2.8
8) 87.8% English + 12.2% Cornish @ 2.8
9) 99.3% English + 0.7% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.81
10) 98.7% English + 1.3% Tuscan @ 2.81

[Graham]

Bastard!!

Knocked off my perch.

[Jackson]

Bastard!!

Knocked off my perch.

Haha, well that profile isn't technically a person - So you are still up there :D.

[Jackson]

Hmm i found this on the EUtest Oracle 4 interesting, hadn't noticed it before now. According to documentation my Grandfather is 1/4 Irish 3/4 English, and on the 4 ancestors oracle i noticed Ireland is one of a number of possible combinations - Ie 50% English, 25% English and 25% Swedish. Although this is a number of possibilities (some of which are more likely) that include:

50% English + 25% Swedish + 25% Orcadian
50% English + 25% Swedish + 25% English
50% English + 25% Swedish + 25% Dutch
50% English + 25% Swedish + 25% Scottish

And the possibilities usually come out 75% English - But it's interesting to speculate that (i assume) his Irish ancestry probably wasn't typical, rather more ambiguous British Isles, but if it is accurate in that sense that may make his father 50% Swedish 50% English or there-abouts - Which is interesting because pushing back that line beyond his father's generation is proving difficult. Possibly isn't the case (as i have now idea how an errant Swede would end up in Hertfordshire), but it's an interesting possibility to consider. Anyway it seems to prefer Swedish above all else, for whatever reasons.

Although the phased data file comes out basically 50% English 50% Swedish, which although it's along the same lines, may add a bit of ambiguity. I imagine it's probably due to the lack of 'Western Euro' in this one. It's interesting though, as he does definitely take after his mother's side more in looks and character, that the discrepancy between the two files may be explained by him inheriting relatively more from her, although i will never know this - Perhaps unless i test his sister (who is still alive also).

[Damião de Góis]

Mine basically just shows combinations of my top populations:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PT @ 4.134
2 ES @ 5.224
3 North_Italian @ 8.362
4 FR @ 8.806
5 Tuscan @ 14.625
6 AT @ 17.347
7 Cornish @ 18.816
8 West_&_Central_German @ 19.078
9 NL @ 19.577
10 RO @ 19.854

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ES +50% North_Italian @ 3.775
2 50% PT +50% PT @ 4.134
3 50% North_Italian +50% PT @ 4.166
4 50% ES +50% PT @ 4.307
5 50% FR +50% North_Italian @ 4.595
6 50% FR +50% PT @ 5.093
7 50% ES +50% ES @ 5.224
8 50% ES +50% FR @ 5.542
9 50% FR +50% Tuscan @ 6.489
10 50% ES +50% Tuscan @ 6.820

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PT +25% FR +25% North_Italian @ 2.914
2 50% ES +25% FR +25% North_Italian @ 3.054
3 50% PT +25% ES +25% North_Italian @ 3.060
4 50% ES +25% North_Italian +25% PT @ 3.141
5 50% PT +25% North_Italian +25% PT @ 3.269
6 50% ES +25% ES +25% North_Italian @ 3.491
7 50% ES +25% ES +25% RO @ 3.499
8 50% North_Italian +25% ES +25% FR @ 3.501
9 50% ES +25% FR +25% Tuscan @ 3.565
10 50% ES +25% PT +25% RO @ 3.571

[Damião de Góis]

It's good that they warn that this feature is still under development:

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 1):

1 ES 70.73%
2 North_Italian 5.92%
3 English 5.33%
4 GE 4.73%
5 LIT 4.61%
6 Sardinian 4.59%
7 Maasai 2.47%
8 FR 0.79%
9 PT 0.66%
10 Tuscan 0.17%

:D

[Jackson]

It's good that they warn that this feature is still under development:

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 1):

1 ES 70.73%
2 North_Italian 5.92%
3 English 5.33%
4 GE 4.73%
5 LIT 4.61%
6 Sardinian 4.59%
7 Maasai 2.47%
8 FR 0.79%
9 PT 0.66%
10 Tuscan 0.17%

:D

Lol yeah definitely.:eek: I suppose even though Spanish and Portuguese are fairly similar, getting only 0.66% Portuguese is insane! Well yeah i'm waiting for that message to go away before i post my results i think. Although they seem to be similar to the oracle and 4 ancestors oracle. Five times more Masai than Portuguese eh? :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

Lol yeah definitely.:eek: I suppose even though Spanish and Portuguese are fairly similar, getting only 0.66% Portuguese is insane! Well yeah i'm waiting for that message to go away before i post my results i think. Although they seem to be similar to the oracle and 4 ancestors oracle. Five times more Masai than Portuguese eh? :rolleyes:

That's true. Although my surnames hardly exist in Spain. it would be like an irish person with only irish surnames scoring english instead of irish, to make an analogy closer to you.

Anyway, Oracle-4 seems stable and i don't see how Oracle-X is supposed to differ.

[Slycooper]

Only 0.66 Portuguese? Something is wrong with that.

[Graham]

Jtest

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 1):
1 DK 49.92%
2 English 47.75%
3 French_Basque 2.33%

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 2):
1 English 72.72%
2 DK 12.92%
3 North_Swedish 8.22%
4 NO 6.04%
5 ES 0.11%
--------------------------------------------------
EUtest

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 1):
1 English 52.74%
2 DK 44.81%
3 French_Basque 2.45%

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 2):
1 English 69.56%
2 DK 14.23%
3 North_Swedish 8.01%
4 NO 5.91%
5 ES 1.20%
6 French_Basque 1.10%

[Damião de Góis]

^ Yours seem ok. Humm....

[Graham]

Wonder if the small Iberian match on the 23andme AC. Is the same as Eurogenes.

I always come out the most British on every test..so would have to see others also.

[Damião de Góis]

Wonder if the small Iberian match on the 23andme AC. Is the same as Eurogenes.

I always come out the most British on every test..so would have to see others also.

Actually i just noticed that Scottish is present on their database so i'm not sure if you consider the lack of Scottish correct. Probably not. :p

I saw it because i ran my Oracle again for EUtest

http://oi49.tinypic.com/nxryph.jpg

[Jackson]

Meh, i gave in, here is mine, i'll do other family later maybe:

Eutest Pct1:
62.26% English
26.23% South and Central Swedish
4.54% GE (Georgian)
3.74% Mozabite Berber
1.65% FR
1.54% LIT
0.02% NL
0.01% North Italian
0.01% Tuscan

Eutest Pct2:

27.36% NL
22.75% West & Central German
22.09% English
10.42% South and Central Swedish
6.83% NO
4.23% GE
4.02% Mozabite Berber
2.24% LIT
0.01% PT

Jtest Pct1:
72.11% English
15.84% South_&_Central_Swedish
3.92% GE
3.53% LIT
2.28% Mozabite_Berber
1.72% AJ
0.57% Sardinian
0.01% NL
0.01% FR
0.01% West_&_Central_German

Jtest Pct2:
53.45% English
12.71% NL
9.41% South_&_Central_Swedish
6.25% NO
4.62% Mozabite_Berber
4.47% GE
3.22% LIT
2.91% FR
1.93% UA
1.03% AJ

[Graham]

Scottish I think is from a small population, in a small area, in the West.. I'm going to start a new Gedmatch X thread.

So Alex compare your X Oracle to the others like Dodecad..etc..

[Jackson]

Lol seems my Grandmother is like some sort of epicentre of English on the 2nd one that seems to be more mixed she comes out like 95% English xD, with a touch of Spanish and Danish. Actually she does get Iberian show up on the Ancestry composition at 23 and me.

[Damião de Góis]

Btw, does it make sense that Cornish is much closer than the rest of British Isles populations? Are they that different?

[Jackson]

Btw, does it make sense that Cornish is much closer than the rest of British Isles populations? Are they that different?

Not drastically different (although they won't like me saying that). But they are technically part of the 'Celtic Fringe', like Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Although their level of Celtic-ness is up for debate they probably are closer due a larger amount of western European and Mediterranean ancestry relative to other areas of the British Isles, but only a small bit. It's interesting though, seems that Iberians are among the most 'northern' southern European populations. But yeah i guess it is related somehow to the commonality of 'Western European' components as well - I notice you score almost 30 on them, the same as some British and Irish people.

[Graham]

Cornwall is like Wales. Oldest population in the UK. Like Brittany & down the Atlantic coast.

[7eleven]

Eurogenes EUtest Oracle-X results

1 DK 35.16%
2 Tuscan 25.24%
3 Druze 18.26%
4 East_Finnish 10.26%
5 Serbian 7.49%
6 GE 1.69%
7 Sardinian 1.30%
8 Maasai 0.60%
9 Nganassan 0.00%
10 Algerian 0.00%

[Pallantides]

Eurogenes EUtest(Option 2)

1 North_Swedish 52.14%
2 Scottish 14.88%
3 French_Basque 9.40%
4 IE 5.81%
5 Orcadian 5.18%
6 EE 4.51%
7 South_Finnish 3.78%
8 South_&_Central_Swedish 2.98%
9 NO 1.20%
10 East_Finnish 0.11%

Eurogenes Jtest(Option 2)

0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 NO 37.94%
2 Orcadian 13.55%
3 Scottish 13.55%
4 IE 12.14%
5 Udmurt 6.19%
6 Erzya 4.76%
7 EE 4.30%
8 South_Finnish 3.83%
9 North_Swedish 2.66%
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 1.06%

[Atlantic Islander]

I haven't checked gedmatch in a few days, is oracle-x done being tweaked?

[Damião de Góis]

I haven't checked gedmatch in a few days, is oracle-x done being tweaked?

No, i still get 0.66% PT

[Atlantic Islander]

No, i still get 0.66% PT

On which one do you score that?

[Damião de Góis]

On which one do you score that?

On EUtest option1. On option2 i get 8% PT

[Atlantic Islander]

On EUtest option1. On option2 i get 8% PT

That's really strange, because mine is just fine. Well then I hope they finish adjusting it soon.

[Damião de Góis]

That's really strange, because mine is just fine. Well then I hope they finish adjusting it soon.

I score Spanish on EUTest, and little or no Portuguese. Can't have that...

[Atlantic Islander]

I score Spanish on EUTest, and little or no Portuguese. Can't have that...

Lol.

[Graham]

Eurogenes EUtest(Option 2)

1 North_Swedish 52.14%
2 Scottish 14.88%
3 French_Basque 9.40%
4 IE 5.81%
5 Orcadian 5.18%
6 EE 4.51%
7 South_Finnish 3.78%
8 South_&_Central_Swedish 2.98%
9 NO 1.20%
10 East_Finnish 0.11%


basques are ruining your Northerness.

[Mazik]

My Oracle-X EUtest option 1:

1 North_Swedish 76.68%
2 North_Russian 9.06%
3 LIT 5.59%
4 French_Basque 4.78%
5 Sardinian 1.65%
6 GE 1.22%
7 Chinese 0.78%
8 Yoruba 0.19%
9 KZ 0.05%
10 Samaritan 0.00%

Option 2:

1 North_Swedish 71.87%
2 Erzya 8.54%
3 Sardinian 5.55%
4 LIT 5.10%
5 RO 4.63%
6 Scottish 1.93%
7 Chinese 1.18%
8 IE 1.10%
9 Yoruba 0.10%
10 Samaritan 0.00%

[Pallantides]

EUtest option 1:

1 Scottish 55.19%
2 North_Swedish 24.13%
3 South_Finnish 14.36%
4 EE 6.26%
5 DK 0.04%
6 NO 0.02%
7 French_Basque 0.00%
8 Orcadian 0.00%
9 IE 0.00%
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 0.00%

[Graham]

Until I have some Scottish & you're at least Norse. Am calling this crap.

[drogin]

EUtest option1:
1 South_&_Central_Swedish 61.69%
2 NO 31.95%
3 Lezgin 4.80%
4 Scottish 1.50%
5 KZ 0.02%
6 IE 0.02%
7 Komi 0.01%
8 DK 0.01%
9 North_Swedish 0.00%
10 Orcadian 0.00%

EUtest option 2:
1 South_&_Central_Swedish 60.08%
2 NO 17.02%
3 Lezgin 7.49%
4 Scottish 5.16%
5 North_Swedish 2.99%
6 IE 2.98%
7 Orcadian 2.08%
8 KZ 1.10%
9 DK 1.09%


What are "KZ" and "IE"?
And those "Lezgins" seems to follow me on every test I do :P

[evon]

KZ = Kazakhstan
IE = Ireland

[orangepulp]

EU Test

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 1):

1 GE 43.43%
2 TR 24.23%
3 Druze 13.38%
4 Armenian 6.71%
5 GR 5.85%
6 Sardinian 2.71%
7 Nganassan 2.64%
8 Japanese 0.57%
9 RO 0.48%
10 HU 0.00%

Total RMSD: 0.344052

option 2:

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 2):

1 TR 60.00%
2 GE 14.91%
3 Armenian 12.09%
4 Lezgin 5.68%
5 Assyrian 3.98%
6 GR 2.24%
7 Nganassan 1.10%
8 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 0.00%
9 Tuscan 0.00%
10 Kurdish 0.00%

Total RMSD: 0.871970
__________________________________________________ _______________

JTest

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 1):

1 GE 43.36%
2 TR 26.14%
3 Druze 15.61%
4 Armenian 6.74%
5 Sardinian 3.72%
6 Nganassan 2.71%
7 RO 1.27%
8 UA 0.35%
9 GR 0.10%
10 HU 0.00%

Total RMSD: 0.423868

Best Population Fit (Pct. Option 2):

1 TR 42.17%
2 GE 23.38%
3 Armenian 8.85%
4 Druze 7.48%
5 Sardinian 6.27%
6 Kurdish 3.70%
7 Nganassan 2.93%
8 Lezgin 2.92%
9 IR 1.19%
10 Assyrian 1.10%

Total RMSD: 1.181065

[Atlantic Islander]

Jtest Oracle-x Population Fitting
Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 PT 78.35%
2 French_Basque 8.20%
3 DK 7.20%
4 Moroccan 5.38%
5 Mozabite_Berber 0.82%
6 English 0.05%

Pct. Calc. Option 2
1 PT 60.49%
2 French_Basque 7.01%
3 Moroccan 6.89%
4 DK 6.34%
5 IE 5.76%
6 Mozabite_Berber 4.46%
7 ES 3.74%
8 FR 2.15%
9 English 2.07%
10 Tuscan 1.10%

EUtest Oracle-x Population Fitting
Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 PT 79.05%
2 French_Basque 7.73%
3 DK 6.80%
4 Moroccan 6.36%
5 Mozabite_Berber 0.06%

Pct. Calc. Option 2
1 PT 61.07%
2 French_Basque 7.11%
3 Moroccan 6.96%
4 DK 6.40%
5 IE 5.82%
6 Mozabite_Berber 4.50%
7 ES 3.77%
8 FR 2.17%
9 English 2.09%
10 Tuscan 0.11%

[poiuytrewq0987]

My Oracle-X result; it's obvious they don't have a single Bulgarian sample because I have zero Serbian relatives so this is pretty much crap.


0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 Serbian 55.16%
2 Druze 10.00%
3 HU 7.13%
4 UA 6.21%
5 Tuscan 6.17%
6 North_Italian 5.62%
7 RO 3.67%
8 PL 2.90%
9 AT 2.04%
10 Belorussian 1.09%

[Pallantides]

Jtest Oracle-x Population Fitting

Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 Scottish 51.47%
2 North_Swedish 35.85%
3 EE 10.04%
4 South_Finnish 2.58%
5 IE 0.02%
6 NO 0.02%
7 South_&_Central_Swedish 0.01%
8 Orcadian 0.01%
9 East_Finnish 0.00%
10 Udmurt 0.00%

Pct. Calc. Option 2
0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 NO 37.94%
2 Orcadian 13.55%
3 Scottish 13.55%
4 IE 12.14%
5 Udmurt 6.19%
6 Erzya 4.76%
7 EE 4.30%
8 South_Finnish 3.83%
9 North_Swedish 2.66%
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 1.06%

EUtest Oracle-x Population Fitting

Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 Scottish 55.19%
2 North_Swedish 24.13%
3 South_Finnish 14.36%
4 EE 6.26%
5 DK 0.04%
6 NO 0.02%
7 French_Basque 0.00%
8 Orcadian 0.00%
9 IE 0.00%
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 0.00%

Pct. Calc. Option 2
1 North_Swedish 52.14%
2 Scottish 14.88%
3 French_Basque 9.40%
4 IE 5.81%
5 Orcadian 5.18%
6 EE 4.51%
7 South_Finnish 3.78%
8 South_&_Central_Swedish 2.98%
9 NO 1.20%
10 East_Finnish 0.11%

[Maleficent]

Eurogenes K9
Mediterranean 27.74%
North European 27.69%
Caucasus 23.97%
Southwest Asian 17.45%
West African 1.63%
South Asian 1.52%

Eurogenes K10
North Atlantic 30.04%
Caucasus 23.61%
Mediterranean 21.39%
Southwest Asian 17.24%
East European 4.66%
West African 1.63%
South Asian 1.43%

Eurogenes K11
North Atlantic 28.76%
Caucasus 23.23%
Mediterranean 21.08%
Southwest Asian 17.18%
Volga-Ural 3.61%
South Baltic 3.36%
West African 1.58%
South Asian 1.20%

Eurogenes K12
Caucasus 22.85%
Mediterranean 20.17%
Southwest Asian 17.08%
Western European 16.66%
North Sea 16.03%
Volga-Ural 2.45%
South Baltic 2.01%
West African 1.58%
South Asian 1.17%

Eurogenes K12b
Western European 23.27%
Mediterranean 22.43%
Caucasus 19.02%
Southwest Asian 15.21%
North European 7.29%
West Central Asian 5.78%
Finnish 3.70%
East African 2.74%
South Asian 0.56%

Eurogenes K13
Mediterranean 30.96%
North European 26.34%
Caucasus 14.61%
West Central Asian 12.80%
Southwest Asian 10.69%
Northeast African 2.79%
South Asian 1.30%
West African 0.34%
Amerindian 0.16%

Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer
Mediterranean Farmer 30.77%
Anatolian Farmer 24.01%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 23.09%
Middle Eastern Herder 17.77%
East African Pastoralist 2.53%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.70%
Bantu Farmer 0.11%

Jtest
East_Med 25.27%
North-Central_Euro 15.04%
Atlantic 13.84%
Middle_Eastern 12.27%
West_Med 11.56%
West_Asian 7.29%
Ashkenazi 6.78%
East_Euro 3.09%
South_Baltic 2.95%
South_Asian 1.05%
West_African 0.53%
East_African 0.33%

EUtest
East_Med 27.02%
North-Central_Euro 15.53%
Atlantic 14.70%
Middle_Eastern 13.42%
West_Med 12.37%
West_Asian 8.31%
East_Euro 3.55%
South_Baltic 3.07%
South_Asian 1.08%
West_African 0.48%
East_African 0.47%

[Linet]

What is Eurogenes % ? :icon_ask:

[Maleficent]

What is Eurogenes % ? :icon_ask:

What do you mean?!

[Linet]

What do you mean?!

I really dont know :noidea:
How do you get what you are? :blink:

[Maleficent]

I really dont know :noidea:
How do you get what you are? :blink:

Oh ok, sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic at first. When you receive your 23andme results, download your raw data and save it onto your computer as a zip file. Then you download your raw data on to the GEDmatch website. They will give you a kit number that starts with the letter M, which you can plug into all their calculators. The GEDmatch website has Eurogenes, Dodecad, MDLP, and Harappa. Basically, everything about 23andme is awesome, except for their Ancestry Composition. The percentages of your ancestry that they give you at GEDmatch are much more accurate. I highly recommend that you try it.

[evon]

Ok, so Eurogenes chief Polako gave me the go ahead to release the IBD dataset i had posted some maps from in this thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67305).

It took some time to find the appropriate links so as to make it easy for most people, this has not been officially released by eurogenes last i checked, but it was a big chatter topic on AFB when it was released in late 2012.

IBD (see here for info (http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_By_Descent_segment)) is shared segments, so basically the larger the segment the better the chances are that its real and that its something worth noting, the strength of the segment can also been seen in the numbers listed after the letter E.

Here is the data in spreadsheet format (Open office ect), matches for every Eurogenes member at 1 cM, 2 cM, 3 cM, 4 cM, and 5 cM thresholds:

bigfile. (http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/7b25oknxfkal/b/9/h/d13049c7edc999b641e2d864438b81fbb0767639/j/0/i/f4988689a696c0cca23ae859dde4e88b2927495c/a/8e31dcd3c45e1ac9c37b5992250db7ab8411c5ad/n/BigIBDFest.rar)

Instructions by Quasimodem (His TA nickname);


For each individual, there are five "Matches" files (one for each cM threshold) with the individual/population matches, and five "matchLengths" files with the length in cM. I'd recommend opening the "Matches" file in Excel* and pasting the corresponing "matchLengths" on the right hand side for easy browsing.


Here are the rough uncut data:

Chromosome 1-5. (https://www.box.com/s/4afd350b50593b2001b3)

Chromosome 6-11. (https://www.box.com/s/e7acf5b1a4cc29b53016)

Chromosome 12-22. (https://www.box.com/s/d27af102406ea80ee6fc)

Here are my maps again (For Norwegians with matches in Southern Europe, East/North and south Asia. Turkish matches in Europe and East, North and south Asia) lowest threshold 4cM:

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/5953/tr223.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5172/36399881.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/1094/so1a.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9440/big1l.jpg


Enjoy those of you who missed this run:) will make a link to this post in the other thread too..

[Jackson]

Awesome Evon, thanks for posting. I never got around to sorting through all my matches, but thankfully someone on ABF made a map summary of the matches, for a number of different people.

[evon]

Awesome Evon, thanks for posting. I never got around to sorting through all my matches, but thankfully someone on ABF made a map summary of the matches, for a number of different people.

Just download the bigfile, its big so be patient, but its easy, you just find yourself and voila! The matches that matter are easily available, i would disregard those below 4cM as being too old, even 4cM is quite old though.. Will be going to bed soon, but will make some maps tomorrow maybe, i want to map out possible Roma connections (Using India as a proxy) and so on if i find the time, as its my little side project these days, need to map my distant kin :p

[Jackson]

Just download the bigfile, its big so be patient, but its easy, you just find yourself and voila! The matches that matter are easily available, i would disregard those below 4cM as being too old, even 4cM is quite old though.. Will be going to bed soon, but will make some maps tomorrow maybe, i want to map out possible Roma connections (Using India as a proxy) and so on if i find the time, as its my little side project these days, need to map my distant kin :p

Oh so you've made it easier to access? Awesome. I have an old copy of the 1-5 6-11 fiels etc.

[Jackson]

Match you in a couple of places at 3CM Evon :P

I'm guessing by the fact that some profiles (including mine) are sorted by 1,2,3,4,5 cM that this is the file that Day Tripper used to make those maps. Awesome.

[Graham]

Thank you :)

Going to have gander.

[Graham]

Palla is norway 1, I think. Located in Nepal :P

Doing some mountain climbing I presume.

BIG Download lol.

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9440/big1l.jpg

[Jackson]

palla is norway 1, I think. Can see in that picture. It's located in Nepal :P

Doing some mountain climbing I presume.

BIG Download lol.

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9440/big1l.jpg

Oh well i have 2 matches with Palla then in that case. What is your ID Graham, is it UK19?

[Graham]

I am UK19..

Fucking can't believe it! closed the download by accident. Now have to wait another 30 minutes. FUCKING BASTARDSS!!!

[Jackson]

I am UK19..

Fucking can't believe it! closed the download by accident. Now have to wait another 30 minutes. FUCKING BASTARDSS!!!

Damn! Ouch...

Ok cool. I can't see any matches with you but i'll have another look.

In 5cM+ i have these matches with people in the project who aren't from studies, anyone have any idea who they are?:

Match ID/ Length

Swedish,SE10/55345
British,UK24/57949

[Atlantic Islander]

What is SENO?

[Jackson]

What is SENO?

My guess would be Swedish/Norwegian. As these are two letter country codes and SE = Sweden, NO = Norway.

Edit: Combined, so i guess that person is of 'mixed' ancestry. Like UKIE for example (UK/Ireland).

[Atlantic Islander]

I am UK19..

Fucking can't believe it! closed the download by accident. Now have to wait another 30 minutes. FUCKING BASTARDSS!!!

I think I match you at 4CM, unless I'm not looking at these correctly.

[Graham]

Who's in East Greenland? I have two matches there.


I think I match you at 4CM, unless I'm not looking at these correctly.

Looking though it now. Will try to find you. What's your code name?

[Atlantic Islander]

Who's in East Greenland? I have two matches there.



Looking though it now. Will try to find you. What's your code name?

PT9.

[Graham]

Oh I see you here Plastictuga. Near my top matches. Kept it above 4cm :)

8.2255 Kent -- HG00160
7.2615 French -- HGDP00519
6.8291 Irish -- IE17
5.6737 W American -- US8
5.5507 British -- UK30
5.1599 SW Scot -- HG00105
5.1389 Romanian -- GSM536597
--------------------------------------------
4.9867 SEUS1 -- SEUS1
4.8131 British -- UK38
4.7860 Orcadian -- HG00102
4.7040 Sardinian -- HGDP00672
4.7030 German -- DE36
4.5602 Portuguese -- PT9
--------------------------------------------
4.4807 Orcadian -- HG00108
4.4782 Orcadian -- HGDP00808
4.4407 Ukrainian -- UkrLv226Y
4.4253 French -- HGDP00537
4.4209 Orcadian -- HGDP00803
4.3454 Orcadian -- HG00108
4.2508 Orcadian -- HG00097
4.2447 Orcadian -- HG00114
4.2327 British -- UK4
4.1647 British -- UK3
4.1118 Swedish -- SE21
4.0822 Irish -- IE5
4.0247 Dusadh -- A396
4.0129 North Italian -- HGDP01147

[Atlantic Islander]

Oh I see you here Plastictuga. Near my top matches. Kept it above 4cm :)

8.2255 Kent -- HG00160
7.2615 French -- HGDP00519
6.8291 Irish -- IE17
5.6737 W American -- US8
5.5507 British -- UK30
5.1599 SW Scot -- HG00105
5.1389 Romanian -- GSM536597
--------------------------------------------
4.9867 SEUS1 -- SEUS1
4.8131 British -- UK38
4.7860 Orcadian -- HG00102
4.7040 Sardinian -- HGDP00672
4.7030 German -- DE36
4.5602 Portuguese -- PT9
--------------------------------------------
4.4807 Orcadian -- HG00108
4.4782 Orcadian -- HGDP00808
4.4407 Ukrainian -- UkrLv226Y
4.4253 French -- HGDP00537
4.4209 Orcadian -- HGDP00803
4.3454 Orcadian -- HG00108
4.2508 Orcadian -- HG00097
4.2447 Orcadian -- HG00114
4.2327 British -- UK4
4.1647 British -- UK3
4.1118 Swedish -- SE21
4.0822 Irish -- IE5
4.0247 Dusadh -- A396
4.0129 North Italian -- HGDP01147

Cool. And I also match Orcadian HG00102, 5.049.


-------------------------------------------------
Question for anyone who might know. What if we match someone more than once? Like this:

Portuguese,PT6,Portuguese,PT9 3.6638
Portuguese,PT6,Portuguese,PT9 7.4791

Sorry, lame question I know.

[Onur]

Here are my maps again (For Norwegians with matches in Southern Europe, East/North and south Asia. Turkish matches in Europe and East, North and south Asia) lowest threshold 4cM:

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/5953/tr223.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5172/36399881.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/1094/so1a.png
Evon, can you please make some comment about these maps. What is this supposed to mean? Whats the meaning of bigger or smaller circles and locations? What is the purple colored line from northern China to central Europe in the map of Eurasia?

I just don't understand these stuff without any explanation. I only understood that this is about Turkish (TR) and Norwegian (NO) people but can you explain further?

[evon]

Palla is norway 1, I think. Located in Nepal :P

Doing some mountain climbing I presume.

BIG Download lol.

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9440/big1l.jpg

NO1 is me, Palla is NO2.


Who's in East Greenland? I have two matches there.



Looking though it now. Will try to find you. What's your code name?

Greenland has heavy North European influences on their genes..


Evon, can you please make some comment about these maps. What is this supposed to mean? Whats the meaning of bigger or smaller circles and locations? What is the purple colored line from northern China to central Europe in the map of Eurasia?

I just don't understand these stuff without any explanation. I only understood that this is about Turkish (TR) and Norwegian (NO) people but can you explain further?

The bigger the circle the larger the shared segment, the threshold i used was minimum 4cM.

The purple/pink line is none of my making, it came with the map and shows the location of steppe habitat/environment.

Basically the segments show shared ancestry between two people.

The map of europe as an example shows where in europe you find people that share segments with the Turkish eurogenes member, so TR2 has shared segments with someone from Spain which deemed from the size of the circle is around 4-5cM, TR2 also has a larger match in Slovakia and on the Asian map TR2 has a match in Manchuria and North Siberia (you can check which populations in these areas TR2 matches, and to see which ethnic groups they belong to, as most matches are with reference samples and not other eurogenes members).

[evon]

I will make some new maps in the coming days, i want to make one for Orcadian matches outside of Europe, also looking at Mongolian matches in Europe and the middle east, maybe look at Hungarian matches in Asia also, will see what i get around to...

This is the map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Eurasian_steppe_belt.jpg)i used as its so large and is one of the few Eurasian maps that have all of Eurasian and not divided into parts..

[evon]

I started making some bread in my oven so i had some time to kill, though i would look into East, North and South Asian matches for Kurds, its quite interesting to see and it matches the Turkish one quite well:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6075/kurdish.jpg

Will leave now, but next one is Hungarian and Orcadian, depending on how easy their samples are to read, as with reference samples sometimes they are hard to find..

PS: the match in Singapore is ethnic Indian from Singapore.

[Graham]

Very nice work Evon!

[Pallantides]

Palla is norway 1, I think. Located in Nepal :P


Nope I'm NO2, haven't looked at my matches yet.

[Graham]

I posted your results Palla but done it wrong. 2 secs

[Graham]

NO2 kept it above 4cm & took out the pointless Utahn Mormans.

8.4235 -- Norwegian NO13
6.9898 -- Orcadian HG00115
6.9483 -- Orcadian HGDP00797
5.3049 -- Norwegian NO8
5.1072 -- Belgian BE2
5.0955 -- Irish IE3
5.0804 -- Norwegian NO1
5.0770 -- Vologda_Russian HGDP00895
5.0383 -- Dutch NL6
4.9134 -- NOUK1 NOUK1
4.7904 -- Ukrainian UA6
4.7581 -- Swedish SE29
4.7392 -- Orcadian HG00113
4.6423 -- NOUK1 NOUK1
4.5488 -- Swedish SE7
4.4668 -- Canadian CA1
4.4599 -- Swedish SE5
4.2597 -- East_Greenland GSM558770
4.2262 -- Swedish SE21
4.1768 -- British UK38
4.1601 -- Italian IT26
4.1553 -- Russian RU24
4.0742 -- Irish IE16

[Pallantides]

That's more like it:thumb001:


NO2 kept it above 4cm & took out the pointless Utahn Mormans.

8.4235 -- Norwegian NO13
6.9898 -- Orcadian HG00115
6.9483 -- Orcadian HGDP00797
5.3049 -- Norwegian NO8
5.1072 -- Belgian BE2
5.0955 -- Irish IE3
5.0804 -- Norwegian NO1
5.0770 -- Vologda_Russian HGDP00895
5.0383 -- Dutch NL6
4.9134 -- NOUK1 NOUK1
4.7904 -- Ukrainian UA6
4.7581 -- Swedish SE29
4.7392 -- Orcadian HG00113
4.6423 -- NOUK1 NOUK1
4.5488 -- Swedish SE7
4.4668 -- Canadian CA1
4.4599 -- Swedish SE5
4.2597 -- East_Greenland GSM558770
4.2262 -- Swedish SE21
4.1768 -- British UK38
4.1601 -- Italian IT26
4.1553 -- Russian RU24
4.0742 -- Irish IE16


I see both Olavsson and evon among my matches.

[Jackson]

Here is my 4cM+ Matches in Order:

9.6335 - Cornish,HG0023
9.2504 - Utah_Mormon,NA12873
7.5534 - Swedish,SE10
6.0951 - Romanian,GSM536598
5.5794 - British,UK24
5.2068 - Utah_Mormon,NA12348
5.1811 - Utah_Mormon,NA11830
4.9093 - Utah_Mormon,NA12399
4.9084 - Estonian,EE1
4.7184 - British,UK21
4.6885 - Irish,IE16
4.4283 - Bedouin,HGDP00701
4.3996 - Utah_Mormon,NA11931
4.3183 - Norwegian,NO11
4.275 - Spanish,ES21
4.1434 - Russian,RU48
4.0645 - Finnish,FI6
4.0524 - Irish,IE7
4.0387 - British,UK3

[evon]

Anni your 4-6cM matches as requested:

Turkish,TR15,Turkish,TR4 6.8437
Turkish,TR4,White_American,US57 5.4537
Bulgarian,Bulgaria1Y,Turkish,TR4 5.4234
Turkish,TR4,Turkish,TR6 4.4938
Turkish,TR13,Turkish,TR4 4.8521
Turkish,TR4,Ukrainian,UkrLv228Y 4.8203
Kurdish,Kurd2,Turkish,TR4 4.6235
Lithuanian,GSM536643,Turkish,TR4 4.5955
Armenian,GSM536831,Turkish,TR4 4.225
Estonian,EE1,Turkish,TR4 4.0938
Russian,RU7,Turkish,TR4 4.0912
Balochi,HGDP00090,Turkish,TR4 4.0397

PS: people i wount make more requests today as i want to make some more maps and they take a long time...

[evon]

Hungarians, Looking at it i think i should not have included Chuvash, as i saw that they had allot of matches with peoples of that area in general (Mordvins) and its regional in nature, and not connected to these other far flung matches.
I found it interesting that they had so many matches with the Aleut peoples of Kamchatka and Alaska, i think the high number of Nogay might be regional, but it could also be something else, the others are up for debate i guess, but nothing out of the ordinary for eastern europeans with the exception of the central Chinese Tu match and also the lone Kazahk and Uzbek matches look suspicious, i will look at one of the bordering populations next to compare them with Hungarians..as like this its easy to draw the false conclusions..


http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2900/huno.jpg

[Su]

Ok, so Eurogenes chief Polako gave me the go ahead to release the IBD dataset i had posted some maps from in this thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67305).

It took some time to find the appropriate links so as to make it easy for most people, this has not been officially released by eurogenes last i checked, but it was a big chatter topic on AFB when it was released in late 2012.

IBD (see here for info (http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_By_Descent_segment)) is shared segments, so basically the larger the segment the better the chances are that its real and that its something worth noting, the strength of the segment can also been seen in the numbers listed after the letter E.

Here is the data in spreadsheet format (Open office ect), matches for every Eurogenes member at 1 cM, 2 cM, 3 cM, 4 cM, and 5 cM thresholds:

bigfile. (http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/7b25oknxfkal/b/9/h/d13049c7edc999b641e2d864438b81fbb0767639/j/0/i/f4988689a696c0cca23ae859dde4e88b2927495c/a/8e31dcd3c45e1ac9c37b5992250db7ab8411c5ad/n/BigIBDFest.rar)

Instructions by Quasimodem (His TA nickname);




Here are the rough uncut data:

Chromosome 1-5. (https://www.box.com/s/4afd350b50593b2001b3)

Chromosome 6-11. (https://www.box.com/s/e7acf5b1a4cc29b53016)

Chromosome 12-22. (https://www.box.com/s/d27af102406ea80ee6fc)

Here are my maps again (For Norwegians with matches in Southern Europe, East/North and south Asia. Turkish matches in Europe and East, North and south Asia) lowest threshold 4cM:

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/5953/tr223.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5172/36399881.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/1094/so1a.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9440/big1l.jpg


Enjoy those of you who missed this run:) will make a link to this post in the other thread too..
I am TR23 and I have got some cousins genetically there just like by 23andme or what?

[evon]

I am TR23 and I have got some cousins genetically there just like by 23andme or what?

Yes, essentially its like Relative finder cousins or Ancestry finder cousins, but the threshold here goes down to 4cM and up, so the smallest matches is not really something you write home about as they could be veeeeeeeeeery old (pre-historic), so best stick to the largest matches for certainty..

[Su]

Yes, essentially its like Relative finder cousins or Ancestry finder cousins, but the threshold here goes down to 4cM and up, so the smallest matches is not really something you write home about as they could be veeeeeeeeeery old (pre-historic), so best stick to the largest matches for certainty..
Yeah, I think I have got like 5 matches but they are all in the same size, I guess I better dont stick to any of them :laugh:

[orangepulp]

I am TR23 and I have got some cousins genetically there just like by 23andme or what?

Me too. I have Swedish, Hungarian and German cousins and my spots are on the same place. I am TR21, btw.

[Su]

Me too. I have Swedish, Hungarian and German cousins and my spots are on the same place. I am TR21, btw.

All my 5 spots are small so basically it's totally noise, and your 2 spots are also small same thing noise.

Just your 1 Hungarian spot is big, I think you should hung on that based on evons statement, I personally have got no clue about the map :D

[evon]

Hungarians:
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2900/huno.jpg

Here is Romanians for comparison, note that the Romanian sample is much smaller then the Hungarian one as is easy to note from the smaller pool of dots on the Volga.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4923/romwj.jpg


The big surprise as with Hungarians was the massive build-up among Aleut and other peoples in far eastern Russia and Alaska, the second weird thing was the lack of Roma (indian) matches among the Romanian sample versus the Hungarian's, if South Asian matches in general is an indication of Roma ancestry, it seems that Romanians have been very good at not mixing with the massive local Roma population there, tomorrow or later i will look at Bulgarians and Ukrainians if i find the time...

[orangepulp]

All my 5 spots are small so basically it's totally noise, and your 2 spots are also small same thing noise.

Just your 1 Hungarian spot is big, I think you should hung on that based on evons statement, I personally have got no clue about the map :D

On AF I share 8.4cm with a Hungarian, the Swedish one is 6.0% cm and 3 Germans between 5-6 cm. Yea Swedish and German is probably a noise.

[The Exiled King]

5 CM:
6.9249 - Utah_Mormon, NA12718
5.3927 - Dutch, NL4

4 CM:
4.0204 - Burusho, HGDP00359
5.3927 - Dutch, NL4
4.1383 - French, HGDP00524
4.4629 - Russian, RU4
4.1932 - Utah_Mormon, NA11882
6.9249 - Utah_Mormon, NA12718

This is great, the only problem is I don't have a lot of matches at the 5 CM and 4 CM level. I do have a lot more matches at the 3 CM level of course and it goes along with my known ancestry quite well not to mention the ancient aspects and ancient ancestral components of it.

[evon]

On AF I share 8.4cm with a Hungarian, the Swedish one is 6.0% cm and 3 Germans between 5-6 cm. Yea Swedish and German is probably a noise.

I dont think 6cM is noise if its so persistent, it could be anything, i know many people with German ancestry migrated into the Ottoman realm during the German settlement of Eastern Europe, Balkan and Caucasus, so it might be via that?

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/_images/grsettle.gif

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm


Would be funny if we both have German ancestry then :thumb001: it could also explain the Swedish and Hungarian match, especially the Swedish one given the high number of Germans who immigrated to Scandinavia during the last 100 years...

[orangepulp]

I dont think 6cM is noise if its so persistent, it could be anything, i know many people with German ancestry migrated into the Ottoman realm during the German settlement of Eastern Europe, Balkan and Caucasus, so it might be via that?

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/_images/grsettle.gif

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm


Would be funny if we both have German ancestry then :thumb001: it could also explain the Swedish and Hungarian match, especially the Swedish one given the high number of Germans who immigrated to Scandinavia during the last 100 years...

I doubt I have German ancestry, maybe they have Anatolian ancestry? I know that my family comes from very isolated villages and they usually keep to themselves.

Some of my AF matches

3 Full Germans I share with
6.1 cm
5.2cm
5.1cm

7 from Turkey
9.0cm
8.8 cm ( Armenian actually)
8.3cm
6.6cm
6.5cm
5.5cm
5.1cm

4 full Italians

6.6cm
5.8cm
5.3cm
5.3cm

4 full Russians:

7.5cm
5.8cm
5.2cm
5.1cm

1 full Polish

6.6cm


My 4 grandparents at 5 cm:

United States 1.0%
Turkey 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
Russia 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Australia 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%

[Atlantic Islander]

Since people are posting theirs, here's mine.

Portuguese - PT6 (?) - 7.4791
Spanish - HG01529 - 5.6838
Orcadian - HG00113 - 5.1078
Orcadian - HG00102 - 5.049
-------------------------------
French Basque - HGDP01358 - 4.996
Polish - PL1 (Polako) - 4.7466
Turkish - GSM536797 - 4.6729
Moroccan Jewish - GSM536509 - 4.6371
British - UK19 (Graham) - 4.5602
Utah Mormon - NA12762 - 4.3929
Tuscan - NA20541 - 4.3279
Swedish/Norwegian - SENO2 (?) - 4.3118
Irish - IE20 (?) - 4.2518
Swedish - SE28 (?) - 4.2102
North Italian - HGDP01171 - 4.1897
White American - US156 (?) - 4.0743

I match some of these people more than once though.

[evon]

I doubt I have German ancestry, maybe they have Anatolian ancestry? I know that my family comes from very isolated villages and they usually keep to themselves.

Some of my AF matches

3 Full Germans I share with
6.1 cm
5.2cm
5.1cm

1 full Polish

6.6cm
My 4 grandparents at 5 cm:

Poland 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.1%


This is actually quite high German scores, there are very few fully German people on 23andme, my aunt whom has "confirmed (http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot.no/2011/07/my-aunts-german-roots.html)" German ancestry only has 0,5% with 3 Segment matches on AF and a few Relative finder cousins. Czech and Polish could here be due to Germany also, Russians are common matches for Turks due to regional bonds, but if any of them show up from around the Volga i would check if they have potential Volga German ancestry also.

I dont think you will find much Anatolian ancestry among most Germans (The Ottoman empire was usually a destination for immigration, not Germany), but you might have common Jewish ancestry also...

My granny also comes from a very rural region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A6rdals%C3%B8yri), yet she has got Roma ancestry ;)


Since people are posting theirs, here's mine.

Portuguese - PT6 (?) - 7.4791
Spanish - HG01529 - 5.6838
Orcadian - HG00113 - 5.1078
Orcadian - HG00102 - 5.049
-------------------------------
French Basque - HGDP01358 - 4.996
Polish - PL1 (Polako) - 4.7466
Turkish - GSM536797 - 4.6729
Moroccan Jewish - GSM536509 - 4.6371
British - UK19 (Graham) - 4.5602
Utah Mormon - NA12762 - 4.3929
Tuscan - NA20541 - 4.3279
Swedish/Norwegian - SENO2 (?) - 4.3118
Irish - IE20 (?) - 4.2518
Swedish - SE28 (?) - 4.2102
North Italian - HGDP01171 - 4.1897
White American - US156 (?) - 4.0743

I match some of these people more than once though.

Having multiple segments is usually a sign of closer shared ancestry then singular segments, although their size matters ect, beware thought that 4cM and those above will show up in the 4cM file, so it would seem there are two when looking at the 5cM, but infact its just one..

[Graham]

Orangepulp your matches. :)

7.9831 -- Armenian -- GSM536826
5.1973 -- Hungarian -- GSM536626
-----------------------------------------
4.7446 -- Swedish -- SE15
4.5318 -- Balkar -- Balkar42Y
4.5112 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00887
4.4193 -- German -- DE27
4.1672 -- Abhkasian -- Abhkasian24Y
4.0357 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
-----------------------------------------
3.9866 -- Vologda_Russian -- HGDP00903
3.9683 -- German -- DE19
3.8623 -- Nogay -- Nogay6Y
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558761
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558765
3.7948 -- Mongol -- GSM558858
3.7251 -- Russian -- GSM536913
3.6948 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00888
3.6792 -- Turkish -- GSM536802
3.6152 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
3.6103 -- Turkish -- GSM536796
3.5640 -- Kurdish -- Kurd1173Y
3.5588 -- Yemeni Jewish -- GSM536532

[Damião de Góis]

I would like to see mine, but i'm too tired. If it's not a lot of work and if someone is able to run it easily then i'm PT2.

[orangepulp]

This is actually quite high German scores, there are very few fully German people on 23andme, my aunt whom has "confirmed (http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot.no/2011/07/my-aunts-german-roots.html)" German ancestry only has 0,5% with 3 Segment matches on AF and a few Relative finder cousins. Czech and Polish could here be due to Germany also, Russians are common matches for Turks due to regional bonds, but if any of them show up from around the Volga i would check if they have potential Volga German ancestry also.

I dont think you will find much Anatolian ancestry among most Germans (The Ottoman empire was usually a destination for immigration, not Germany), but you might have common Jewish ancestry also...

If that's the case I wonder how on Earth I got German?? I do know of oral stories of some ancestors coming from Caucasus, I don't know if the German could be via Caucasus or maybe it is Turkic?? You know Turkic people do score North Euro.

My top Russian match actually has one 4 GP German sharing at 5.8cm in his list.

My Czech match is 5.3cm and Croatia is 7.1cm

I don't have Jewish ancestry and I didn't score any Ashkenazi on AF.


My granny also comes from a very rural region, yet she has got Roma ancestry

Is it orally known or you found out from DNA test?


Orangepulp your matches. :)

7.9831 -- Armenian -- GSM536826
5.1973 -- Hungarian -- GSM536626
-----------------------------------------
4.7446 -- Swedish -- SE15
4.5318 -- Balkar -- Balkar42Y
4.5112 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00887
4.4193 -- German -- DE27
4.1672 -- Abhkasian -- Abhkasian24Y
4.0357 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
-----------------------------------------
3.9866 -- Vologda_Russian -- HGDP00903
3.9683 -- German -- DE19
3.8623 -- Nogay -- Nogay6Y
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558761
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558765
3.7948 -- Mongol -- GSM558858
3.7251 -- Russian -- GSM536913
3.6948 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00888
3.6792 -- Turkish -- GSM536802
3.6152 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
3.6103 -- Turkish -- GSM536796
3.5640 -- Kurdish -- Kurd1173Y
3.5588 -- Yemeni Jewish -- GSM536532

Thanks :)

2 Germans

[evon]

If that's the case I wonder how on Earth I got German?? I do know of oral stories of some ancestors coming from Caucasus, I don't know if the German could be via Caucasus or maybe it is Turkic?? You know Turkic people do score North Euro.

Is it orally known or you found out from DNA test?




I would pay more attention to DNA then oral stories, oral stories tend to be too frequently changed to fit the needs or wants of the people who transmit them, just look at the elaborate stories told my most royal families, including the Ottomans who claimed distant ancestry with Muhammed among others.

Turkic speaking peoples in central Asia could have Germany ancestry from the Mongol period onwards, but i think this would be limited to peoples in Mongolia proper and China, maybe also in the middle east (the Mongol's shipped German miners and metal craftsmen to eastern asia);


In 1253, the Franciscan monk William of Rubruck reported numerous Europeans in Central Asia. He described German prisoners who had been enslaved in iron mines. In Karakorum, the Mongol capital, he met with a Parisian, Guillaume de Buchier, and a woman named Pâquette, from the French city of Metz, both of them having been captured in Hungary during the Mongol invasions there. Hungarians and Russians are also mentioned. It is also known that 30,000 Alans formed the guard of the Mongol court in Pekin.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europeans_in_Medieval_China

But my guess is this connection is from one of several possible sources;

- Immigration into the Ottoman realms (Balkan?) by German migrants(my best guess).

- German slaves captured by the Barbary corsairs (they even raided Iceland).

- German person coming to the middle east during pax Mongolica as a craftsman (we know of Chinese peoples also coming to the region):


One thousand northern Chinese engineer squads accompanied the Mongol Khan Hulagu during his conquest of the Middle East.[4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquests


My grandmother does not have oral stories of having Roma ancestry, but DNA dosnt lie (http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot.no/2012/12/tree-of-life.html). Its funny though as my grandmothers husband (my grandfather) has oral stories of having potential Swedish Tater ancestry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_and_Swedish_Travellers) (Taters are local travellers with distant roots to Roma, they came to Norway/Sweden in the 15-1600's and are mostly assimilated), but he seems rather to have East Asian ancestry (Volga Tatars, Uzbeks, Manchurian ect) then South Asian if judging by his son's (my uncle) DNA results.

[Atlantic Islander]

Having multiple segments is usually a sign of closer shared ancestry then singular segments, although their size matters ect, beware thought that 4cM and those above will show up in the 4cM file, so it would seem there are two when looking at the 5cM, but infact its just one..

Ah, thanks. I understand, the multiple ones show up at the different sizes. An example:

British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 2.5335
British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 2.9586
British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 3.0164
British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 2.1028

Same person, but multiple segments.

[Atlantic Islander]

I would like to see mine, but i'm too tired. If it's not a lot of work and if someone is able to run it easily then i'm PT2.

I'll do it.

[evon]

Ah, thanks. I understand, the multiple ones show up at the different sizes. An example:

British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 2.5335
British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 2.9586
British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 3.0164
British,UK23,Portuguese,PT9 2.1028

Same person, but multiple segments.

Ok, i see what you mean. It all depends on their location if you ask me, generally i am not a big fan of using lower then 4cM due to the age issues involved with such small segments, but in the case of multiple matches like yours i am not sure what to make of it..i have not even looked at my own below 4cM, i will have a peak and see if they make any form of sense to me:)

[Atlantic Islander]

I would like to see mine, but i'm too tired. If it's not a lot of work and if someone is able to run it easily then i'm PT2.

Okay, here you go:

PT2
Kent - HG00156 - 5.3382
Cornish - HG00264 - 5.2731
Spanish - HG01500 - 5.09
--------------------------
Spanish - ES25 - 4.9024
Cornish - HG00265 - 4.8011
Sindhi - HGDP00167 - 4.6706
Georgian -GE1 - 4.6448
Swedish - SE33 - 4.5414
Chuvash - GSM536730 - 4.5317
Mozabite Berber - HGDP01256 - 4.2322
Balochi - HGDP00057 - 4.1976
White American - US156 - 4.1795
Spanish - ES24 - 4.1579
Kanjars - evo_35 - 4.1504
Sephardic Jewish - sephardic18bul - 4.0973

[Atlantic Islander]

Ok, i see what you mean. It all depends on their location if you ask me, generally i am not a big fan of using lower then 4cM due to the age issues involved with such small segments, but in the case of multiple matches like yours i am not sure what to make of it..i have not even looked at my own below 4cM, i will have a peak and see if they make any form of sense to me:)

It's easier to look for the multiple matches in the 1cm file since it basically just has all the matches. I think it might be helpful for the 4cm and 5cm + matches. Like PT6 is my biggest match with 7.4791, but I match them again at the 3cm level - 3.6638. A few of my other 4cm and 5cm matches are similar.

[evon]

It's easier to look for the multiple matches in the 1cm file since it basically just has all the matches. I think it might be helpful for the 4cm and 5cm + matches. Like PT6 is my biggest match with 7.4791, but I match them again at the 3cm level - 3.6638. A few of my other 4cm and 5cm matches are similar.

Maybe it can be used when looking for ethnic averages, but i dont feel comfortable using it for "individual" matches..but of course if you match a single individual several times i would check into it:)

[Su]

Can someone run it for me as well ? I m TR23. Thanks :)

[The Exiled King]

I have found when you look at your matches at the 1 CM level you can see where your ancestral components and ancient admixture components are pulled from in the various Eurogenes calculators.

[Jackson]

I have found when you look at your matches at the 1 CM level you can see where your ancestral components are pulled from in the various Eurogenes calculators.

Yeah i noticed that also. In the map Day Tripper made for me, they corresponded very closely with my closest populations. And they also made a ring around the North Sea, which is always my primary component, and then next was the rest of the British Isles which fits with Atlantic/Western Euro being 2nd highest, and then slightly below that is the Baltic region which corresponds with the eastern European (South Baltic + East Euro/Volga). It's pretty fascinating how the components correspond to actual segments.

[Atlantic Islander]

Can someone run it for me as well ? I m TR23. Thanks :)

TR23
Ukrainian - Ukraine133Y - 4.9804
CHB - NA18577 - 4.9297
Mongol - GSM558862 - 4.8501
Utah Mormon - NA12234 - 4.6774
Swedish - SE16 - 4.4629
Ukrainian - UkrLv223Y - 4.6527
Swedish - SE1 - 4.241
Azeri Jewish - AzerbJew204 - 4.0077

[7eleven]

1 50% GR +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.580
2 50% GR +50% NO @ 5.652
3 50% DK +50% GR @ 5.658
4 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.185
5 50% North_Swedish +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.354
6 50% GR +50% North_Swedish @ 6.365
7 50% NO +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.469
8 50% DK +50% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 6.718
9 50% AJ +50% West_&_Central_German @ 6.734
10 50% GR +50% NL @ 6.811
3081 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% Druze +25% Tuscan @ 4.497
2 50% NO +25% Druze +25% Tuscan @ 4.703
3 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% Druze +25% North_Italian @ 5.224
4 50% North_Swedish +25% Druze +25% Tuscan @ 5.241
5 50% NO +25% Druze +25% North_Italian @ 5.331
6 50% English +25% Druze +25% Serbian @ 5.379
7 50% NL +25% Druze +25% Serbian @ 5.419
8 50% GR +25% DK +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.483
9 50% GR +25% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.580
10 50% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% GR +25% GR @ 5.580
113071 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Druze + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.497
2 Druze + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.575
3 Druze + North_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.661
4 Druze + NO + NO + Tuscan @ 4.703
5 Druze + NO + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.709
6 DK + Druze + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.005
7 DK + Druze + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.015
8 DK + Druze + NO + Tuscan @ 5.169
9 Druze + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.224
10 Druze + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.241
11 Druze + NO + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.254
12 Druze + NL + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.327
13 Druze + NO + NO + North_Italian @ 5.331
14 Druze + English + NL + Serbian @ 5.347
15 DK + Druze + English + Serbian @ 5.358
16 Druze + English + NO + Serbian @ 5.359
17 Druze + English + English + Serbian @ 5.379
18 DK + Druze + NL + Serbian @ 5.392
19 Druze + English + Serbian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.408
20 Druze + English + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 5.413

[Loki]

Can someone please post my results? :p

I am SAEU1 :)

[Atlantic Islander]

Can someone please post my results? :p

I am SAEU1 :)

SAEU1
Utah Mormon - NA12383 - 7.4727
Kumyk - Kumyk13Y - 5.34
Vologda Russian - HGDP00881 - 5.2437
Cornish - HG00260 - 5.0508
----------------------------------------
White American - US256 - 4.9598
Kent - HG00150 - 4.5908
Kent - HG00137 - 4.2608
French - HGDP00530 - 4.1031
Kent - HG00130 - 4.0867
Utah Mormon - NA11995 - 4.0191

[Su]

TR23
Ukrainian - Ukraine133Y - 4.9804
CHB - NA18577 - 4.9297
Mongol - GSM558862 - 4.8501
Utah Mormon - NA12234 - 4.6774
Swedish - SE16 - 4.4629
Ukrainian - UkrLv223Y - 4.6527
Swedish - SE1 - 4.241
Azeri Jewish - AzerbJew204 - 4.0077

Thanks my dear. This is very kind of you.

[evon]

Ok i got some questions about which software i use and such to make the maps, so here is everything you need to get started:

Picture:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Eurasian_steppe_belt.jpg

Free online based paint Software:
http://pixlr.com/editor/ (for 4cM segments use brush size 20 and for those above 4cM use size 30)

Hope that will get you started:)

[Graham]

May do a map of the UK, Kent, SW Scotland, Cornwall, Orkneys & Ireland based on your idea.

[evon]

May do a map of the UK, Kent, SW Scotland, Cornwall, Orkneys & Ireland based on your idea.

I am going to make some that focuses on the near east and north africa also, but for the ones ive made so far i tend to stay east of the Volga river and Iran, thus giving you a Eurasian picture:) i think i need to get more good maps though, but its very hard to find them actually..

i would love it if you kept to the same dimensions as me, i will remake the Norwegian and Turkish Eurasian maps also following the same 20-30 brush size specs some time soon, was planning to put Swedes and Norwegian matches on the same map to see if they match up..

[Atlantic Islander]

Ok i got some questions about which software i use and such to make the maps, so here is everything you need to get started:

Picture:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Eurasian_steppe_belt.jpg

Free online based paint Software:
http://pixlr.com/editor/ (for 4cM segments use brush size 20 and for those above 4cM use size 30)

Hope that will get you started:)

Ah, so it was just a brush? Cool, thanks for the information.

[evon]

OK, this took a while, i made one for Norwegians, Swedes (over-represented due to large sample), Danes and one Icelander:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/697/skadi.jpg

I found it odd how Swedes matched Tadjiks so much, but the proximity to Chuvash means its regional it seems, same as with Hungarians and Romanians, if the other samples had been as big as Swedes i think we would have seen similar trends, one thing to note is the lack of Nogay matches versus the Romanians and Hungarians...

I was also surprised that no other matched a Tharu like me :( feel so lonely down there on the slopes of Nepal...

[evon]

Due to the strange patterns seen in central asian population matches in Swedes in the map above, i have decided i will make a reverse map for the peoples in central asia, with matches in Europe and the middle east later after some dinner and a short nap:)

[Jackson]

Due to the strange patterns seen in central asian population matches in Swedes in the map above, i have decided i will make a reverse map for the peoples in central asia, with matches in Europe and the middle east later after some dinner and a short nap:)

Sounds awesome. Do you think that the number and commonness of these segments (despite the fact they are 4cM so not tiny) is pointing at something more ancient?

[Graham]

Was going to try the UK one. But got completely lost. Too many initials, I don't know what they are.

[evon]

OK here are the Central Asian populations with most 4cM+ matches in Europe and the middle east, west of Iran and the Volga river:


Tadjiks:
http://imageshack.us/a/img267/7169/tadv.jpg

Uzbeks:
http://imageshack.us/a/img210/788/uzbe.jpg

Turkmen:
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/6290/turkm.jpg


Hazara:
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/4084/hazp.jpg

Anyone see any patterns? I think the matches in far western Europe is some old link, the lack of Norwegian matches is very interesting versus the Swedish matches, the same can be said for Finnish matches which are very few..

The most frequent matches are regional and not lingustic or cultural, as is visible with the Turkic and Iranic ideas which are proven wrong here.

[Graham]

Nice work, it makes more sense to do it this way round imo. Uzbeks stay more East Central Europe. Hazara avoided Scandinavia & works it's way to England.

[evon]

Nice work, it makes more sense to do it this way round imo. Uzbeks stay more East Central Europe. Hazara avoided Scandinavia & works it's way to England.

I would have liked to explore this further and i am hoping Polako (eurogenes) will do a new one focusing on these and more populations and Europe and the middle east, as its one of those crossing points that can tell us so much about population movement..i dont know why i did not look at them earlier.. next i want to look at Mongol and Mongola matches to see if we see and remnants from pax mongolica, the Hazaras are clearly part of the Mongol story, but i wonder if the mongol/mongola, are identifiable by this or by more normal regional ties as we see with the central asians and their regional tie to Caucasus peoples...

Sadly my method of making them is very slow, if i could work excel magic i would have been able to make better use of my time...

[Graham]

Mongolians should have quite a few matches in Turkey. From what I've seen already.

[evon]

Mongolians should have quite a few matches in Turkey. From what I've seen already.

Really? if you look at the Turkish matches map i made earlier they have very few matches with Mongol and Mongola (one or two Turks match these populations), maybe you mean the Turkish reference samples? i have not looked into them fully yet.. i will check it out tomorrow, lets see what i find:)

[Graham]

Really? if you look at the Turkish matches map i made earlier they have very few matches with Mongol and Mongola (one or two Turks match these populations), maybe you mean the Turkish reference samples? i have not looked into them fully yet.. i will check it out tomorrow, lets see what i find:)

Maybe I read wrong.. :)

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

Su -- 3.7 Mongol
Orangepulp -- 4.8 Mongol

That is what I seen. :P

[Jackson]

Maybe I read wrong.. :)

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

You could always do all of the UK, Kent, Cornwall, Orcadian ones and then when you have that you can look for their matches if they come along and need the information?

[evon]

Maybe I read wrong.. :)

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

Su -- 3.7 Mongol
Orangepulp -- 4.8 Mongol

That is what I seen. :P

Most ID's are linked to internet endings, NO for Norway, SE for Sweden ect..reference samples usually have ethnic group listed, use Google for that;)

3,7cM is too low in my opinion, 4cM is minimum...5cM+ is better...

[evon]

You could always do all of the UK, Kent, Cornwall, Orcadian ones and then when you have that you can look for their matches if they come along and need the information?

My guess is UK based matches will be heavy in far north east asian and south asia, as my theory is that these matches are linked to old Eurasian ties...Scandinavian matches i think are also like that, we are an old people, linked across Eurasia for ages, long before any of the modern language groups had formed...when Chingiz khan was but a dust in a far distant future...

[7eleven]

Can someone please do this for me? I am US247.

[Graham]

My furthest match is near Nepal. 4.0247 -- Dusadh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/India_Bihar_locator_map.svg/250px-India_Bihar_locator_map.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/India_Uttar_Pradesh_locator_map.svg/250px-India_Uttar_Pradesh_locator_map.svg.png

[Jackson]

My guess is UK based matches will be heavy in far north east asian and south asia, as my theory is that these matches are linked to old Eurasian ties...Scandinavian matches i think are also like that, we are an old people, linked across Eurasia for ages, long before any of the modern language groups had formed...when Chingiz khan was but a dust in a far distant future...

It's certainly starting to look that way based on your matches, and the Dodecad and Eurogenes project. I think the North Eurasian - North European connection needs to be investigated further. That 'Asian shift' of northern Europeans could potentially be one of the biggest differences between us and our cousins in the south, so I think it is something major worth investigating. I presume this forms part of your theory?

I agree that delving into our more ancient past is going to be the most interesting thing, especially when there was nobody documenting events as such. (Aside from small amounts of artwork i suppose).

[7eleven]

My 5cM matches: (I am US247)

Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ7,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w,White_American,US247
Finnish,FI19,White_American,US247
French,HGDP00520,White_American,US247
German,DE24,White_American,US247
Iraqi_Jewish,GSM536711,White_American,US247
Kent,HG00138,White_American,US247
Kent,HG01334,White_American,US247
Palestinian,HGDP00739,White_American,US247
Romanian,GSM536597,White_American,US247
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Russian,RU44,White_American,US247
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur,White_American,US24 7
Utah_Mormon,NA06984,White_American,US247

Interestingly enough all of this stuff is not very surprising considering my known ancestry. Except Im not sure how I scored Palestinian and Iraqi Jew.

[Graham]

OK I've started to do what Evon has done with the maps. But am starting to sift through the 35 UK. It'll take a while. Want to see how the Europe map goes too. :)

If I need help with country codes I'll stick them up on this thread.

[Graham]

Ok i got some questions about which software i use and such to make the maps, so here is everything you need to get started:

Picture:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Eurasian_steppe_belt.jpg

Free online based paint Software:
http://pixlr.com/editor/ (for 4cM segments use brush size 20 and for those above 4cM use size 30)

Hope that will get you started:)

Do you mean 4-5cM is brush size 20... & 5> is brush size 30?

And do you have a map based only on Europe also?

Have sorted all the 35 UK(took a fucking while :P) & it's ready to use paint. :)

[orangepulp]

Maybe I read wrong.. :)

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

Su -- 3.7 Mongol
Orangepulp -- 4.8 Mongol

That is what I seen. :P

I think you mixed up, I am 3.7 Mongol and Su is 4.8 Mongol. Anyway, not that big differnce and I did not match in the Asian map which I find odd considering I did score Mongol.
I wonder why some Turks did not match in the Asian map? I am TR21, you can look.

[Maleficent]

My 5cM matches: (I am US247)

Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ7,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w,White_American,US247
Finnish,FI19,White_American,US247
French,HGDP00520,White_American,US247
German,DE24,White_American,US247
Iraqi_Jewish,GSM536711,White_American,US247
Kent,HG00138,White_American,US247
Kent,HG01334,White_American,US247
Palestinian,HGDP00739,White_American,US247
Romanian,GSM536597,White_American,US247
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Russian,RU44,White_American,US247
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur,White_American,US24 7
Utah_Mormon,NA06984,White_American,US247

Interestingly enough all of this stuff is not very surprising considering my known ancestry. Except Im not sure how I scored Palestinian and Iraqi Jew.

Welcome to the tribe, Bro!

[Atlantic Islander]

There are only 10 Portuguese participants, and I was bored... :bored:

(Different colors for 4CM+ & 5CM+, because otherwise I would confuse myself)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3043/ptmatches.png
Some of the placements are a bit off (Russian especially :picard1:), I just plopped them in the countries.

I can't seem to find a good North Africa + Mideast map for the other matches.

[Su]

Maybe I read wrong.. :)

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

Su -- 3.7 Mongol
Orangepulp -- 4.8 Mongol

That is what I seen. :P

This doesnt make any sense I have got higher mongoloid admixture than orange. So how comes she is scoring higher than me here?

[evon]

My furthest match is near Nepal. 4.0247 -- Dusadh


Welcome to the Nepalese club, lets open a take away and serve curry:)




My 5cM matches: (I am US247)

Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ7,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w,White_American,US247
Finnish,FI19,White_American,US247
French,HGDP00520,White_American,US247
German,DE24,White_American,US247
Iraqi_Jewish,GSM536711,White_American,US247
Kent,HG00138,White_American,US247
Kent,HG01334,White_American,US247
Palestinian,HGDP00739,White_American,US247
Romanian,GSM536597,White_American,US247
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Russian,RU44,White_American,US247
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur,White_American,US24 7
Utah_Mormon,NA06984,White_American,US247

Interestingly enough all of this stuff is not very surprising considering my known ancestry. Except Im not sure how I scored Palestinian and Iraqi Jew.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070411015823/uncyclopedia/images/2/25/Haha_quaker_jew.jpg

Palestinian and Iraqi matches fits with having Jewish ancestry..


Do you mean 4-5cM is brush size 20... & 5> is brush size 30?

And do you have a map based only on Europe also?

Have sorted all the 35 UK(took a fucking while :P) & it's ready to use paint. :)

Yes, and try this map:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Europe_blank_laea_location_map.svg


I think you mixed up, I am 3.7 Mongol and Su is 4.8 Mongol. Anyway, not that big differnce and I did not match in the Asian map which I find odd considering I did score Mongol.
I wonder why some Turks did not match in the Asian map? I am TR21, you can look.

Turks are a south western Asian people, basically on europe's doorstep, thus they have substantial more European and south west asian ancestry then say north asian ancestry, this is seen in their massive european hits versus far asian matches.




I can't seem to find a good North Africa + Mideast map for the other matches.

Try this one:
http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/blank_map_directory/europe_base_map_uber_-_with_rivers_.png

[evon]

Here is the Mongol(yellow)/Mongola(Cyan) map:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/695/mongolmongola.jpg


Its note worthy to see the clusters in Turkey and Russia (think we found a signature for Eurasian steppe expansion here?), with minor clusters in Poland and Ukraine also...i wonder if the cluster in Germany reflects German slaves taken to Mongolia proper, or if its something else?

There also is a mis match in pattern, the Mongola pattern is more unstable, which makes me think it must be less connected to the western part of Eurasia, which is odd given they are the same people, but with slightly different history given the Mongola lived inside China and the Mongol outside...

[evon]

A noteworthy reply from Polako on the Mongol/Mongola map:


All of these Mongolian reference samples have European admixture, while Europeans rarely have East Asian (as opposed to Siberian) admixture, which predominates in Mongols. Also, Mongols carry some R1a, but Europeans don't carry Mongol C3.

So it looks like European admixture in western Mongolia. No need for slaves either, it's probably thanks to stuff like this...

European admixture in ancient East Asians (aka. two-rooted canines carried by early Indo-Europeans to China) (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/european-admixture-in-ancient-east-asia.html)

[orangepulp]

This doesnt make any sense I have got higher mongoloid admixture than orange. So how comes she is scoring higher than me here?

He mad a mistake. You scored 4.8 cm and I scored 3.7 cm.




Turks are a south western Asian people, basically on europe's doorstep, thus they have substantial more European and south west asian ancestry then say north asian ancestry, this is seen in their massive european hits versus far asian

Wouldn't South West Asian be like Arabian? North West Asian is more accurate when describing Turks.

Well then how come some of the North Europeans were placed in the Asian map?? Are you telling me they are more Asian than some Turks?

[evon]

Wouldn't south Western be like Arabian, North West Asian is more accurate when describing Turks.

Well then how come some of the North Europeans were placed in the Asian map?? Are you telling me they are more Asian than some Turks?

No and yes, there are not that many reference samples from the wider mashriq region included in this run, but if you want? i can make a map showing Turkish matches in the reference samples that are present.

Here is a good map of Asian regions as used by UN:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Location-Asia-UNsubregions.png

Blue - North Asia
Purple - Central Asia
Green - Southwest Asia

North Europeans have a very old and strong connection to North Eurasia, that is very prevalent, but just like with Turkish matches in North Asia, some have stronger connections then others, i dont know if North Europeans as a regional people have stronger connections versus Turks as a ethnic group to North Asia, that debate seems very hard to win using any sort of sense since this is maps showing ancestral connections between individuals and not affinity of whole populations..

[orangepulp]

No and yes, there are not that many reference samples from the wider mashriq region included in this run, but if you want? i can make a map showing Turkish matches in the reference samples that are present.
Mashriq?? Doesn't that mean Eastern in Arabic?

Anyway, yea that would be great :)

Here is a good map of Asian regions as used by UN:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Location-Asia-UNsubregions.png

Blue - North Asia
Purple - Central Asia
Green - Southwest Asia

Come on, we are talking in genetic terms not political. This is a genetic discussion, genetically Turks are more of a North West Asian people rather than a Southern population which would be Arabian.


North Europeans have a very old and strong connection to North Eurasia, that is very prevalent, but just like with Turkish matches in North Asia, some have stronger connections then others, i dont know if North Europeans as a regional people have stronger connections versus Turks as a ethnic group to North Asia, that debate seems very hard to win using any sort of sense since this is maps showing ancestral connections between individuals and not affinity of whole populations..

Did you match in the Asian map?

[evon]

Mashriq?? Doesn't that mean Eastern in Arabic?


You dont speak Arabic :eek: Its the old post-Islamic expansion term used to describe where the sun rises, versus Magrebh as where the sun sets:)




Come on, we are talking in genetic terms not political. This is a genetic discussion, genetically Turks are more of a North West Asian people rather than a Southern population which would be Arabian.



Did you match in the Asian map?


Turks as far as i have seen over the years are basically a Caucasus people with minor Far Asian ancestry, and as with most peoples in this region they match Europeans (Balkans and Russians especially) more then Arabic/Iranic speaking regions, but Arabic/Iranic speaking regions more then far eastern regions.

I dont know how to measure such an affinity without offending people, and its hard to debate it without there becoming a major topic, as Turks react to affinity towards Arabic speaking countries like Balkan Europeans do towards Turkish affinity :picard1: its a messed up world we live in indeed...

I will make you a map and this time use the Turkish reference samples also, which i should have included in the Far Asian map, maybe i could add them to that map also?

[orangepulp]

You dont speak Arabic :eek: Its the old post-Islamic expansion term used to describe where the sun rises, versus Magrebh as where the sun sets:)
I do speak Arabic to a certain degree but I didn't expect you to use an Arabic term lol. I thought maybe its a word in English that I don't know :p ? Otherwise I knew that Mashriq/Sharq is Eastern and Maghrib/Gharb is Western.


Btw, do you speak Arabic?

Turks as far as i have seen over the years are basically a Caucasus people with minor Far Asian ancestry, and as with most peoples in this region they match Europeans (Balkans and Russians especially) more then Arabic/Iranic speaking regions, but Arabic/Iranic speaking regions more then far eastern regions.
That really depends on what you would call minor, some Turks do score significant Asian genes such as 10%.


I dont know how to measure such an affinity without offending people, and its hard to debate it without there becoming a major topic, as Turks react to affinity towards Arabic speaking countries like Balkan Europeans do towards Turkish affinity :picard1: its a messed up world we live in indeed...


It's not offensive to be linked to Southwest Asian people. You know that I don't mind this at all but genetically Turks are not Southwest Asian people and their Southwest Asian is not anymore than what a Southern European would score. I just wanted to underline that. But yes I guess the over reaction some people have being linked to more Eastern or Southern populations is due to inferiority complex.


I will make you a map and this time use the Turkish reference samples also, which i should have included in the Far Asian map, maybe i could add them to that map also?

Thanks, that would be great!!!

[evon]

I do speak Arabic to a certain degree but I didn't expect you to use an Arabic term lol. I thought maybe its a word in English that I don't know :p ? Otherwise I knew that Mashriq/Sharq is Eastern and Maghrib/Gharb is Western.


Btw, do you speak Arabic?


No, not much, just minor stuff and some in relation to Islamic terminology, such as the aforementioned terms.



That really depends on what you would call minor, some Turks do score significant Asian genes such as 10%.


Some score higher affinity then others of course, but as a whole population its below 10%, my guess is around 5-6%, but even 10% is minor...


OK, here is the map, but before looking at it you should be aware that i had to stop posting in North Caucasus due to too many hits there, i barely had enough space for the rest of the Caucasus peoples, mainly Kurds and Armenians. The reference samples for Bedouin and Saudi Arabia seem very low, my guess is only a few samples are in this run..

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2874/tu1w.png

The other map will have to wait, i made so many today already, my body needs to get out of the office chair for a while and do something else:)

But if anyone else wants to they can add them to the Turkish map i made before, just keep east of the Volga and Iran and you should be ok, the Brush size is 20 = 4cM and 5cM+ = 30 as mentioned before, the Turkish reference samples are quite many (one of the biggest in this run by my guess) and they start around GSM536787 if i got it right...

[orangepulp]

From where did you get the Turkish reference samples? Are they from Eurogenes participants?

[evon]

From where did you get the Turkish reference samples? Are they from Eurogenes participants?

They are located in the bigfile as ive listed when i started posting the maps here, on page 185 if my memory is correct...

[Graham]

UK...

Didn't label the numbers, it took to long.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7825/eurasiauk.jpg

[Graham]

Ireland(Yellow) & UK(red)

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7825/eurasiauk.jpg

[Jackson]

Ireland(Yellow) & UK(red)

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7825/eurasiauk.jpg

Interesting that there is a difference between Ireland and UK. Ireland doesn't seem to have those matches around the Baltic states, and also the Benelux and Denmark. Seems pretty similar otherwise as you'd expect. :)

[Graham]

Ireland doesn't have any Danish matches whereas the UK has 6.

UK has 14 Lithuania matches & Ireland 2. I may have misplaced those irish a bit North.

I need to do a Europe map & make it so much less cluttered to really see.

[Jackson]

Ireland doesn't have any Danish matches whereas the UK has 6.

UK has 14 Lithuania matches & Ireland 2. I may have misplaced those irish a bit North.

I need to do a Europe map & make it so much less cluttered to really see.

Interesting. I wonder what could explain this discrepancy, especially the Lithuania matches. Maybe more recent trade perhaps?

[Atlantic Islander]

Eyeballing this was a pain in the ass:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2347/eurasianpt.png

Russian areas are probably off a bit :/

[Atlantic Islander]

There are only 10 Portuguese participants, and I was bored... :bored:

(Different colors for 4CM+ & 5CM+, because otherwise I would confuse myself)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3043/ptmatches.png
Some of the placements are a bit off (Russian especially :picard1:), I just plopped them in the countries.

I can't seem to find a good North Africa + Mideast map for the other matches.

Okay, so I tried to fix the Russian ones, still not sure if they're okay http://mazeguy.net/expressive/pray.gif.

[Graham]

UK
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/553/europeuk.jpg
IRELAND
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6393/irelanddna.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Okay, so I tried to fix the Russian ones, still not sure if they're okay http://mazeguy.net/expressive/pray.gif.

Seems kind of accurate with 23andme, but my baltic connection is missing :p

[Jackson]

UK
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/553/europeuk.jpg
IRELAND
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/6393/irelanddna.jpg

Very interesting. Cheers Graham.

[Graham]

Very interesting. Cheers Graham.

Notice the lack, of German, Dutch & Danish in Ireland. Kind of goes with the History.

btw I changed it a little. IE20 was missing 3 bits. Cheers Platictuga. :)

[Jackson]

Notice the lack, of German, Dutch & Danish in Ireland. Kind of goes with the History.

btw I changed it a little. IE20 was missing 3 bits. Cheers Platictuga. :)

Yeah i find that surprisingly clear-cut. Looking at that map again Ireland has relatively much more matches with France and less with Germanic countries. I guess this is a bit like what POBI was talking about it. Although i'm surprised they get only one German match, as their was English movement to Ireland also. Although maybe a secondary migration would only show up really faintly?

[Atlantic Islander]

Seems kind of accurate with 23andme, but my baltic connection is missing :p

You and PT3 have matches further east :D

[Graham]

Yeah i find that surprisingly clear-cut. Looking at that map again Ireland has relatively much more matches with France and less with Germanic countries. I guess this is a bit like what POBI was talking about it. Although i'm surprised they get only one German match, as their was English movement to Ireland also. Although maybe a secondary migration would only show up really faintly?

There was actually 4 matches. I missed the top of the spreasheet I made. Hense that & Portugal, Poland. Still.. :picard2:

If I could get Kent, Orkneys & SW Scotland done also, would be grand.

[Jackson]

There was actually 4 matches. I missed the top of the spreasheet I made. Hense that & Portugal, Poland. Still.. :picard2:

If I could get Kent, Orkneys & SW Scotland done also, would be grand.

That would be good. To see the difference between Orkney and the Mainland and between Kent and Cornwall.

[Graham]

4cM above a quarter

Ireland

7.5/14 Sweden
7/14 France
5/14 Tuscany
4/14 Germany
4.5/14 Norway

UK

21/35 Germany
18/35 Sweden
14/35 France
14/35 Lithuania
14/35 Russia
13/35 Tuscany
12/35 Spain
11/35 Finland
10/35 Norway
9/35 Netherlands
9/35 Romania
8/35 French Basque

[Damião de Góis]

You and PT3 have matches further east :D

I do have one russian cousin and one georgian-ukranian cousin, i know the latter is on Eurogenes but i'm not sure if the russian is.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2zxzcl2.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2zxzcl2.jpg

I've noticed your matches are much more spread out than mine:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/my%20genetic%20stuff/gthyujkk_zpsaef12a2f.png

[evon]

UK
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/553/europeuk.jpg
IRELAND
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6393/irelanddna.jpg

I think you intended to put the Baltic matches on Lithuania rather then Kaliningrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast) :P Given its one of the few Baltic reference samples in the run?

[Graham]

Never heard of that place lol

[Sicilianu101]

How do you do these maps??

[evon]

How do you do these maps??

see from page 185..instructions and everything is listed there

[Sicilianu101]

I am IT40 (100% Sicilian from Alcara Li Fusi, Sicily):

My results (am I looking at them properly?):

5cM

Druze,HGDP00595 (Distance 5.47)

4cM

Druze,HGDP00595

3cM

Tuscan,NA20828
UARU1,
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Belorussian,belorus6
British,UK45
Cornish,HG00247
Druze,HGDP00595
Finnish,FI11
French,HGDP00526
French_Basque,HGDP01359
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
PLNL1,PLNL1
Portuguese,PT9
Russian,RU59

2cM

Druze,HGDP00595
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA22
Evenk,GSM558743
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI14
Finnish,FI15
Finnish,FI6
French,HGDP00521
French,HGDP00526
French,HGDP00533
French_Basque,HGDP01359
Georgian,GSM536858
German,DE25
German,DE31
German,DE31
German,DE33
German,DE9
Greek,GR2
Greek,GR8
Hazara,HGDP00120
IN_S,SGVP00258
IN_S,SGVP00464
Jordanian,GSM536977
Kalash,HGDP00307
Lithuanian,GSM536637
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Mandenka,HGDP00906
Moroccan,GSM536963
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01269
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
North_African,NAFR7
Orcadian,HG00101
Oroqen,HGDP01205
PLNL1,PLNL1
Palestinian,HGDP00686
Polish,PL22
Portuguese,PT4
Portuguese,PT9
Romanian,RO1
Russian,RU24
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU59
Russian,RU9
Saudi_Arabian
Sephardic_Jewish
Sindhi,HGDP00181
Somali,SOMALI14
South_Italian,IT23

1cM

Spanish,ES3
Spanish,ES7
Spanish,GSM536583
Spanish,HG01607
Spanish,HG01625
Spanish,HG01626
Swedish,SE22
Swedish,SE23
Swedish,SE29
Syrian,GSM536724
Syrian,GSM536999
Tadjik,Tad838Y
Tadjik,Tadjik3Y
Tadjik,Tadjik5Y
Tu,HGDP01356
Tunisian_Jewish,TJ1
Tuscan,NA20527
Tuscan,NA20539
Tuscan,NA20581
Tuscan,NA20757
Tuscan,NA20759
Tuscan,NA20768
Tuscan,NA20773
Tuscan,NA20800
Tuscan,NA20812
Tuscan,NA20816
Tuscan,NA20828
Tuscan,NA20828
UARU1,UARU1
UARU1,UARU1
UARUPL1,UARUPL1
Utah_Mormon,NA11892
Utah_Mormon,NA11931
Utah_Mormon,NA11994
Utah_Mormon,NA12287
Utah_Mormon,NA12776
Utah_Mormon,NA12829
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Uzbek,GSM536778
Velamas,VELZ260
Vologda_Russian,HGDP00883
Vologda_Russian,HGDP00893
White_American,US180
White_American,US87
Yoruba,NA19161
Yoruba,NA19236
Abhkasian,Abhkasian135Y
Abhkasian,Abhkasian137Y
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy10e
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy10w
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy2e
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w
Assyrian,ASY7
Austrian,AT2
Azeri_Jewish,AzerbJew204
Balkar,Balkar7Y
Bantu_S.E.,HGDP00993
Bedouin,HGDP00619
Bedouin,HGDP00620
Bedouin,HGDP00636
Bedouin,HGDP00643
Bedouin,HGDP00643
Belorussian,belorus6
Belorussian,belorus8
Bosnian,BAHR1
British,UK43
British,UK45
Bulgarian,Bulgaria6Y
Burusho,HGDP00364
Burusho,HGDP00392
Canadian,CA21
Chechen,Chechen34Y
Chuvash,GSM536730
Chuvash,GSM536735
Chuvash,GSM536740
Cornish,HG00242
Cornish,HG00244
Cornish,HG00247
Cornish,HG00247
Cornish,HG00250
Cyprian,GSM536609
Cyprian,GSM536609
Cyprian,GSM536611
DESEUK1,DESEUK1
DESOR1,DESOR1
Dharkars,HA045
Druze,HGDP00563
Druze,HGDP00563
Druze,HGDP00568
Druze,HGDP00595
Druze,HGDP00598
EU1,EU1
Estonian,EE1
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA18
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA21
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA22
Ethiopian_Jewish,GSM536666
Ethiopian_Wolayta,WOLAYTA5
Evenk,GSM558743
Finnish,FI10
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI14
Finnish,FI15
Finnish,FI6
French,HGDP00521
French,HGDP00525
French,HGDP00526
French,HGDP00527
French,HGDP00533
French,HGDP00538
French,HGDP00539
French-Canadian,FCA2
French_Basque,HGDP01359
French_Basque,HGDP01364
French_Basque,HGDP01375
French_Basque,HGDP01378
Georgian,GSM536854
Georgian,GSM536858
Georgian_Jewish,GeorgJew105
Georgian_Jewish,GeorgJewtat14
German,DE1
German,DE10
German,DE14
German,DE25
German,DE31
German,DE31
German,DE33
German,DE9
Greek,GR1
Greek,GR2
Greek,GR8
Gujarati,NA20884
Hazara,HGDP00109
Hazara,HGDP00120
Hungarian,GSM536616
Hungarian,GSM536619
Hungarian,GSM536630
IN_S,SGVP00258
IN_S,SGVP00464
IQ_Mandean1,IQ_Mandean1
Iranian,iran10
Iranian,iran13
Irish,IE11
Irish,IE12
Italian,IT25
Italian,IT30
Jordanian,GSM536970
Jordanian,GSM536976
Jordanian,GSM536977
Jordanian,GSM536984
Kalash,HGDP00307
Kent,HG00145
Kent,HG00157
Kent,HG00157
Komi,Komi1
LITDE,LIT3
LITPL1,LITPL1
Lezgin,GSM536836
Lezgin,GSM536846
Lithuanian,GSM536637
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Lithuanian,GSM536639
Lithuanian,GSM536640
Lithuanian,LIT10
Lithuanian,LIT10
Lithuanian,LIT4
Lithuanian,LIT6
Luhya,NA19313
Luhya,NA19404
Luhya,NA19446
Luhya,NA19472
Mandenka,HGDP00906
Maya,HGDP00861
Mexican,NA19650
Mexican,NA19679
Mexican,NA19775
Moroccan,GSM536954
Moroccan,GSM536958
Moroccan,GSM536960
Moroccan,GSM536963
Moroccan,GSM536963
Moroccan_Jewish,GSM536507
Moroccan_Jewish,GSM536513
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01256
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01269
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01275
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01276
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
NOUK1,NOUK1
North_African,NAFR4
North_African,NAFR7
North_African,NAFR8
North_Italian,HGDP01151
Norwegian,NO10
Norwegian,NO2
Orcadian,HG00101
Orcadian,HG00107
Orcadian,HG00110
Orcadian,HGDP00794
Orcadian,HGDP00796
Orcadian,HGDP00806
Oroqen,HGDP01205
PLNL1,PLNL1
PSTN1,PSTN1
PSTN1,PSTN1
Palestinian,HGDP00686
Palestinian,HGDP00722
Pathan,HGDP00218
Piramalai,PK6442
Piramalai,PK6442
Polish,PL22
Portuguese,PT10
Portuguese,PT4
Portuguese,PT9
Punjabi_Jatt,PJAT1
RUUA1,RUUA1
Romanian,RO1
Russian,RU17
Russian,RU24
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU56
Russian,RU59
Russian,RU7
Russian,RU9
SW_Scot,HG00104
Sardinian,HGDP00665
Saudi_Arabian,GSM537004
Saudi_Arabian,GSM537012
Selkup,GSM558712
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic10tur
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic4tur
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur
Sindhi,HGDP00181
Sindhi,HGDP00205
Somali,SOMALI14
South_Italian,IT23

[Sicilianu101]

Sorry for the length of my post.. lol So 4 & 5cM are the important ones right? & I only have 1 match..

[evon]

Sorry for the length of my post.. lol So 4 & 5cM are the important ones right? & I only have 1 match..

Fixed it for you...

Yes, i would focus on 4< cM matches, but 5< cM is best of course..

[Atlantic Islander]

I am IT40 (100% Sicilian from Alcara Li Fusi, Sicily):

My results (am I looking at them properly?):

5cM

Druze,HGDP00595 (Distance 5.47)

4cM

Druze,HGDP00595

3cM

Tuscan,NA20828
UARU1,
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Belorussian,belorus6
British,UK45
Cornish,HG00247
Druze,HGDP00595
Finnish,FI11
French,HGDP00526
French_Basque,HGDP01359
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
PLNL1,PLNL1
Portuguese,PT9
Russian,RU59

2cM

Druze,HGDP00595
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA22
Evenk,GSM558743
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI14
Finnish,FI15
Finnish,FI6
French,HGDP00521
French,HGDP00526
French,HGDP00533
French_Basque,HGDP01359
Georgian,GSM536858
German,DE25
German,DE31
German,DE31
German,DE33
German,DE9
Greek,GR2
Greek,GR8
Hazara,HGDP00120
IN_S,SGVP00258
IN_S,SGVP00464
Jordanian,GSM536977
Kalash,HGDP00307
Lithuanian,GSM536637
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Mandenka,HGDP00906
Moroccan,GSM536963
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01269
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
North_African,NAFR7
Orcadian,HG00101
Oroqen,HGDP01205
PLNL1,PLNL1
Palestinian,HGDP00686
Polish,PL22
Portuguese,PT4
Portuguese,PT9
Romanian,RO1
Russian,RU24
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU59
Russian,RU9
Saudi_Arabian
Sephardic_Jewish
Sindhi,HGDP00181
Somali,SOMALI14
South_Italian,IT23

1cM

Spanish,ES3
Spanish,ES7
Spanish,GSM536583
Spanish,HG01607
Spanish,HG01625
Spanish,HG01626
Swedish,SE22
Swedish,SE23
Swedish,SE29
Syrian,GSM536724
Syrian,GSM536999
Tadjik,Tad838Y
Tadjik,Tadjik3Y
Tadjik,Tadjik5Y
Tu,HGDP01356
Tunisian_Jewish,TJ1
Tuscan,NA20527
Tuscan,NA20539
Tuscan,NA20581
Tuscan,NA20757
Tuscan,NA20759
Tuscan,NA20768
Tuscan,NA20773
Tuscan,NA20800
Tuscan,NA20812
Tuscan,NA20816
Tuscan,NA20828
Tuscan,NA20828
UARU1,UARU1
UARU1,UARU1
UARUPL1,UARUPL1
Utah_Mormon,NA11892
Utah_Mormon,NA11931
Utah_Mormon,NA11994
Utah_Mormon,NA12287
Utah_Mormon,NA12776
Utah_Mormon,NA12829
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Uzbek,GSM536778
Velamas,VELZ260
Vologda_Russian,HGDP00883
Vologda_Russian,HGDP00893
White_American,US180
White_American,US87
Yoruba,NA19161
Yoruba,NA19236
Abhkasian,Abhkasian135Y
Abhkasian,Abhkasian137Y
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy10e
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy10w
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy2e
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w
Assyrian,ASY7
Austrian,AT2
Azeri_Jewish,AzerbJew204
Balkar,Balkar7Y
Bantu_S.E.,HGDP00993
Bedouin,HGDP00619
Bedouin,HGDP00620
Bedouin,HGDP00636
Bedouin,HGDP00643
Bedouin,HGDP00643
Belorussian,belorus6
Belorussian,belorus8
Bosnian,BAHR1
British,UK43
British,UK45
Bulgarian,Bulgaria6Y
Burusho,HGDP00364
Burusho,HGDP00392
Canadian,CA21
Chechen,Chechen34Y
Chuvash,GSM536730
Chuvash,GSM536735
Chuvash,GSM536740
Cornish,HG00242
Cornish,HG00244
Cornish,HG00247
Cornish,HG00247
Cornish,HG00250
Cyprian,GSM536609
Cyprian,GSM536609
Cyprian,GSM536611
DESEUK1,DESEUK1
DESOR1,DESOR1
Dharkars,HA045
Druze,HGDP00563
Druze,HGDP00563
Druze,HGDP00568
Druze,HGDP00595
Druze,HGDP00598
EU1,EU1
Estonian,EE1
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA18
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA21
Ethiopian_Amhara,AMHARA22
Ethiopian_Jewish,GSM536666
Ethiopian_Wolayta,WOLAYTA5
Evenk,GSM558743
Finnish,FI10
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI11
Finnish,FI14
Finnish,FI15
Finnish,FI6
French,HGDP00521
French,HGDP00525
French,HGDP00526
French,HGDP00527
French,HGDP00533
French,HGDP00538
French,HGDP00539
French-Canadian,FCA2
French_Basque,HGDP01359
French_Basque,HGDP01364
French_Basque,HGDP01375
French_Basque,HGDP01378
Georgian,GSM536854
Georgian,GSM536858
Georgian_Jewish,GeorgJew105
Georgian_Jewish,GeorgJewtat14
German,DE1
German,DE10
German,DE14
German,DE25
German,DE31
German,DE31
German,DE33
German,DE9
Greek,GR1
Greek,GR2
Greek,GR8
Gujarati,NA20884
Hazara,HGDP00109
Hazara,HGDP00120
Hungarian,GSM536616
Hungarian,GSM536619
Hungarian,GSM536630
IN_S,SGVP00258
IN_S,SGVP00464
IQ_Mandean1,IQ_Mandean1
Iranian,iran10
Iranian,iran13
Irish,IE11
Irish,IE12
Italian,IT25
Italian,IT30
Jordanian,GSM536970
Jordanian,GSM536976
Jordanian,GSM536977
Jordanian,GSM536984
Kalash,HGDP00307
Kent,HG00145
Kent,HG00157
Kent,HG00157
Komi,Komi1
LITDE,LIT3
LITPL1,LITPL1
Lezgin,GSM536836
Lezgin,GSM536846
Lithuanian,GSM536637
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Lithuanian,GSM536639
Lithuanian,GSM536640
Lithuanian,LIT10
Lithuanian,LIT10
Lithuanian,LIT4
Lithuanian,LIT6
Luhya,NA19313
Luhya,NA19404
Luhya,NA19446
Luhya,NA19472
Mandenka,HGDP00906
Maya,HGDP00861
Mexican,NA19650
Mexican,NA19679
Mexican,NA19775
Moroccan,GSM536954
Moroccan,GSM536958
Moroccan,GSM536960
Moroccan,GSM536963
Moroccan,GSM536963
Moroccan_Jewish,GSM536507
Moroccan_Jewish,GSM536513
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01256
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01269
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01275
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01276
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
NOUK1,NOUK1
North_African,NAFR4
North_African,NAFR7
North_African,NAFR8
North_Italian,HGDP01151
Norwegian,NO10
Norwegian,NO2
Orcadian,HG00101
Orcadian,HG00107
Orcadian,HG00110
Orcadian,HGDP00794
Orcadian,HGDP00796
Orcadian,HGDP00806
Oroqen,HGDP01205
PLNL1,PLNL1
PSTN1,PSTN1
PSTN1,PSTN1
Palestinian,HGDP00686
Palestinian,HGDP00722
Pathan,HGDP00218
Piramalai,PK6442
Piramalai,PK6442
Polish,PL22
Portuguese,PT10
Portuguese,PT4
Portuguese,PT9
Punjabi_Jatt,PJAT1
RUUA1,RUUA1
Romanian,RO1
Russian,RU17
Russian,RU24
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU26
Russian,RU56
Russian,RU59
Russian,RU7
Russian,RU9
SW_Scot,HG00104
Sardinian,HGDP00665
Saudi_Arabian,GSM537004
Saudi_Arabian,GSM537012
Selkup,GSM558712
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic10tur
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic4tur
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur
Sindhi,HGDP00181
Sindhi,HGDP00205
Somali,SOMALI14
South_Italian,IT23

I see myself at 3cm :)

[Sikeliot]

Sicilianu101 if alfieb, a former poster on ABF who was Sicilian-American saw Finns on any Sicilians' genetic sharing list, he'd flip. He hated Finns and thought they were the lowest of the low in Europe.

[Atlantic Islander]

Do Orcadians even count at 5cm+? Aren't they too matchy in general?

[evon]

Do Orcadians even count at 5cm+? Aren't they too matchy in general?

I never got around to making a map for them, dont have time today, but maybe tomorrow?

[Graham]

Do Orcadians even count at 5cm+? Aren't they too matchy in general?

Looked through a few of them. The're all related, then it's Sweden, Russia & France.

[Atlantic Islander]

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[Sikeliot]

I didn't know there was one. Whoops.

[evon]

I didn't know there was one. Whoops.

i moved your post to the other thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44897&page=15)..

[Atlantic Islander]

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[evon]

K8 test. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdGhPS3pMaTZwUUhWbTd0S0hnVkM5M 3c#gid=0) <---link..

Maternal Uncle and Paternal Aunt:

NO4:
Anatolian Neolithic: 9.46%%
Maritime Neolithic: 20.42%
North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture): 66.41%
North Eurasian: 0%
East Asian: 1.46%
East African: 0.7%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.2%
South Asian: 1.31%

NO9:
Anatolian Neolithic: 9.93%
Maritime Neolithic: 20.65%
North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture):67.13%
North Eurasian: 0.3%
East Asian: 0.9%
East African:2.3%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.7%
South Asian: 0.2%

Surprising that my aunt lost her Eurasian to some East Asian, i think its a first ever, wonder if this indicates that he has finally been able to separate the two better? My uncle now also shows elevated South Asian, that is not so new, but is a good reflection of his complex deep ancestry..

[Graham]

Is this new? can't remember, there's so many different tests.

North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture):64.37%
Maritime Neolithic: 25.04%
Anatolian Neolithic: 8.48%


South Asian: 1.18%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.32%
North Eurasian: 0.0%
East Asian: 0.0%
East African:0.0%

[Jackson]

I'm the only one in the project out of my family:

North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture): 59.21%
Maritime Neolithic: 26.1%
Anatolian Neolithic: 11.2%
South Asian: 1.46%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.92%
East African: 1.09%
North Eurasian: 0%
East Asian: 0%

[lI]

Is this new? can't remember, there's so many different tests.
It can't be new. LIT3 isn't yet renamed to LITDE1 and there's no LIT9, LIT10, LIT11 - that kind of set was back at August 2012.
Unless... Polako used old set of project participants for some reason?


K8 test. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdGhPS3pMaTZwUUhWbTd0S0hnVkM5M 3c#gid=0) <---link..
Where did you get it from?

[Mazik]

It can't be new. LIT3 isn't yet renamed to LITDE1 and there's no LIT9, LIT10, LIT11 - that kind of set was back at August 2012.
Unless... Polako used old set of project participants for some reason?


Yes he must have used the old set. I'm not in the sheet for example and I joined the project some months ago.

[Pallantides]

New or not, I'll just post my results


71.82% North European Hunter & Gatherer (+Neolithic Admixture)
15.59% Maritime Neolithic
9.67% Anatolian Neolithic
1.3% East Asian
0.92% North Eurasian
0.37% East African
0.28% Sub-Saharan African

[Nihtgenga]

Northern European Hunter Gatherer + Neolithic Admixture 63.70%
Maritime Neolithic 21.96%
Anatolian Neolithic 12.16%
East African 01.16%
South Asian 00.50%
SSA 00.50%
North Eurasian 00.00%
East Asian 00.00%

What is maritime neolithic meant to represent?

[Sicilianu101]

My Euro Test K8 (IT40):

Maritime Neolithic 46.34%
Anatolian 28.45%
North European 18.89%
East African 4.81%
Sub-Saharan African 1.51%
North Eurasian 0%
East Asian 0%
South Asian 0%

[evon]

Is this new? can't remember, there's so many different tests.




Where did you get it from?

I got it via a 23andme's community thread, i assume its recent given the division between north eurasia and east asia in my aunt, but i have not asked David yet so i dont know...just came home and only posted them earlier at lunch....

[Pallantides]

I think I remember my East Asian and North Eurasian scores being the opposite before.

[evon]

I think I remember my East Asian and North Eurasian scores being the opposite before.

You mean you had East Asian higher then North Eurasian in earlier runs?

[Pallantides]

You mean you had East Asian higher then North Eurasian in earlier runs?

No I think North Eurasian was higher than East Asian before, but now looking at my results I have higher East Asian.

[Atlantic Islander]

K=8
Maritime Neolithic 43.29%
Northern European Hunter Gatherer (+ Neolithic Admixture) 42.87%
Anatolian Neolithic 6.69%
East African 3.10%
South Asian 2.33%
Sub-Saharan African 1.67%
North Eurasian 0.05%
East Asian 0%

[Mark]

^ Are the K8 and earlier still available?

[Atlantic Islander]

^ Are the K8 and earlier still available?

I don't think he ever released k8 files to run with DIYDodecad. I may be mistaken though.

[Mark]

I don't think he ever released k8 files to run with DIYDodecad. I may be mistaken though.
Thanks. GEDmatch only has k9+ and I did a search but couldn't find anything; guess I'm out of luck.

[Pallantides]

Me in comparison with the 15 European populations who have the highest North European Hunter & Gatherer scores:

Lithuanians 77%
Finns 74%
Pallantides 71.82%
Belorussians 70%
Swedes 69%
Norwegians 68%
Vologda Russians 68%
Russians 68%
Poles 68%
Erzya 66%
Ukrainians 66%
Moksha 66%
Orcadians 63%
HapMap Utah Americans (CEU) 63%
Irish 63%
British 62%

[xXMartinv1xX]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[xXMartinv1xX]

Mine (k12b)

Gedrosia 7.26%
Siberian 14.08%
Northwest_African 3.30%
Southeast_Asian 7.31%
Atlantic_Med 17.31%
North_European 20.59%
South_Asian 3.24%
East_African 0.79%
Southwest_Asian 2.27%
East_Asian 14.10%
Caucasus 3.13%
Sub_Saharan 6.63%

[Jackson]

Mine (k12b)

Gedrosia 7.26%
Siberian 14.08%
Northwest_African 3.30%
Southeast_Asian 7.31%
Atlantic_Med 17.31%
North_European 20.59%
South_Asian 3.24%
East_African 0.79%
Southwest_Asian 2.27%
East_Asian 14.10%
Caucasus 3.13%
Sub_Saharan 6.63%

That's Dodecad K12b, you'll want to use the Eurogenes EUtest and Jtest primarily to post in here. But still, thanks for sharing. :)

[xXMartinv1xX]

My EUtest :)

SOUTH_BALTIC 5.42%
EAST_EURO 11.26%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.68%
ATLANTIC 10.56%
WEST_MED 7.21%
EAST_MED 0.42%
WEST_ASIAN 3.07%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.89%
SOUTH_ASIAN 4.83%
EAST_AFRICAN 2.37%
EAST_ASIAN 16.78%
SIBERIAN 17.84%
WEST_AFRICAN 5.68%
That's Dodecad K12b, you'll want to use the Eurogenes EUtest and Jtest primarily to post in here. But still, thanks for sharing. :)

[xXMartinv1xX]

btw, the true greeks were hebrews of the bible...off topic xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRT91D9YW9M

[xXMartinv1xX]

Jtest:

SOUTH_BALTIC 5.33%
EAST_EURO 11.00%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.38%
ATLANTIC 9.97%
WEST_MED 6.66%
ASHKENAZI 3.86%
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 2.33%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.07%
SOUTH_ASIAN 4.80%
EAST_AFRICAN 2.29%
EAST_ASIAN 16.75%
SIBERIAN 17.86%
WEST_AFRICAN 5.71%

[evon]

New admixture run is out, will become part of Gedmatch soon:
http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/eurogenes-k37-at-gedmatch.html


But in the meanwhile, for those whom know how to use DIY (http://dodecad.blogspot.no/2011/09/do-it-yourself-dodecad-v-21.html) via R (http://www.r-project.org/) can download these files:
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!138&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AqUiIlLZaATOc8I

I actually dont have time to run my own results now, but will do it soon *_*