Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Damião de Góis]

Update. I'll add family & New Worlders later.. :) It's getting there. Want to get the shape correct. If I can crack it, could push further.

http://imageshack.us/a/img803/5179/mapeuro.png

You added something which made me shift east. I'm not sure if it was Aragon, Italians or Armenia.

[Graham]

You added something which made me shift east. I'm not sure if it was Aragon, Italians or Armenia.

I'm changing the clusters also..Had to take out some outliers, which I'll add again, some time.

So far it looks ok, needs adjustments. Better than the maps, McDonald fella makes..

Right I'll add in the New Worlders again. Tonight. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/3717/map2o.png

Orangepulp where is your Uncle from? :)

[Mazik]

Can you add this Chuvash guy for the next run Graham? :) He got very interesting results imo.



K36:
Volga-Ural 26,84%
Siberian 16,00%
Fennoscandian 14,09%
Eastern_Euro 13,38%
North_Caucasian 8,09%
East_Central_Euro 4,88%
South_Central_Asian 4,79%
Central_Euro 3,18%
French 2,98%
East_Central_Asian 1,24%
North_Atlantic 1,24%
East_Asian 1,23%
South_Asian 0,80%
Amerindian 0,68%
Pygmy 0,34%
North_Sea 0,21%

K12:
Volga-Ural 34,20%
Siberian 18,52%
South Baltic 12,43%
North Sea 11,17%
Western European 7,37%
Caucasus 6,19%
South Asian 4,44%
East Asian 4,42%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1,23%

[Graham]

I did have some Volga & Chuvash they were East of Finland & were outliers at the time. But I've made some adjustments, so it should be fine.

[orangepulp]

Orangepulp where is your Uncle from? :)

Thanks a lot.

He is American of British and Irish ancestry, he may have other Euro input I'm not sure.

This is what he got from Mcdonald:

Most likely fit is 100% English (Western Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.005115 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 1.000


but there is some Continental European or perhaps a very tiny bit
of Mideastern ... and a clear 0.4% African.

Doug McDonald


http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7158/chrm1.png

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1755/plot2.png

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2138/plot1.png


__________________________________________________ ______________

This is what his father got:

Most likely fit is 100% English (Western Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.002573 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 1.000

and that’s about it, well maybe just a little Continental, maybe,
and yes, clearly 0.4% African.

Doug McDonald


http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4848/georgewhitefull20130412.png

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4848/georgewhitefull20130412.png

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4848/georgewhitefull20130412.png

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4848/georgewhitefull20130412.png

[Graham]

Have you tested the whole Orangpulp clan? :P

Need to see If I can change the colours, like on that map. Mine is more Scandinavian friendly than McDonald's.

[orangepulp]

Have you tested the whole Orangpulp clan? :P


Lol Almost!! I'm actually awaiting my grandparents and cousins results :p

[Jackson]

I'm changing the clusters also..Had to take out some outliers, which I'll add again, some time.

So far it looks ok, needs adjustments. Better than the maps, McDonald fella makes..

Right I'll add in the New Worlders again. Tonight. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/3717/map2o.png

Orangepulp where is your Uncle from? :)

Awesome map. Although i wonder why my father and grandfather are where they are, that is curious. Makes perfect sense for my mother and grandmother though.

[Graham]

Awesome map. Although i wonder why my father and grandfather are where they are, that is curious. Makes perfect sense for my mother and grandmother though.

Currently I have it in 6 segments

North West Central Europe
N Atlantic, N Sea, France & Central Europe
South West Europe
Italy, Spain & Basque
West Med
West Med & N Africa, currently using all of Africa.
N Eurasia
Fennoscandia, E.C.Europe, E.Europe, Volga, Siberia & the Far Eastern nations.
Caucasus
Armenia, N Caucasus, W Caucasus
S Eurasia
East Balkan, East Med, Arab, Near East & South Asian Nations

Your Mum scores higher in S Eurasian, pulling her down.

[Graham]

Last map for tonight. Added some more..

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/1530/map3p.png

[Loki]

^^ Looks like I'm the centre of gravity.

[Graham]

^^ Looks like I'm the centre of gravity.

Closest to North France, South England most Likely. Expect mixes to be like that.

[Otto Prohaska]

Last map for tonight. Added some more..


Thanks for adding me back in, even if I'm still all out there on my lonesome.

I've never been one to 'cluster' with anyone, really. ;-)

[Jackson]

Thanks for adding me back in, even if I'm still all out there on my lonesome.

I've never been one to 'cluster' with anyone, really. ;-)

Could always add you more than once and make an Otto cluster. ;)

[Atlantic Islander]

You added something which made me shift east. I'm not sure if it was Aragon, Italians or Armenia.

And I'm usually near you and Kadu.

[Otto Prohaska]

Could always add you more than once and make an Otto cluster. ;)

Or maybe we could just DNA test my army of clones.

Drat! No one was supposed to know about my army of clones...

[Kazimiera]

Oh no!! Poor Otto! :puppy_dp:

[Kazimiera]

The German, is that today's united Germany, West Germany, East Germany?? Which part of Germany?

[Jackson]

The German, is that today's united Germany, West Germany, East Germany?? Which part of Germany?

Looks like one is eastern German, given the position of the northern German.

[Mazik]

I hope Gedmatch will be up soon! I have to test my distant Uyghur relative with K36 :D

[Mazik]

Does anyone know or got an idea how to add your own cluster to the k36 DIY files? :) Would be interesting to make a Scandinavian cluster imo.

[Black Wolf]

Hello Everyone,

I am new here and here are my K36 results from the Eurogenes calculator at GEDmatch. Are these the results that the map being made are based on? If so is it possible for me to be included? I am of mixed European background being 25% Italian (Calabria region), 25% Finnish and 50% Irish/British Isles. Here are my K36 results below.

Population
Amerindian 0.11%
Arabian 0.15%
Armenian 4.52%
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.85%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.89%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.57%
East_Med 0.22%
Eastern_Euro 8.11%
Fennoscandian 26.79%
French 5.89%
Iberian 10.67%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.29%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.02%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.95%
North_Caucasian 3.23%
North_Sea 13.79%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.24%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.97%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.74%

[Graham]

I used a few from the Forumbiodiversity for my map(if any ask, I'll stick their user name in)..I'll add you as soon as I can confidently get this correct...Same with other New-Worlders...It's just a muck about, but good fun doing.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3314/map11u.png

The Asian, is stretching the map! Noooooo. lol That's why Su is down there, same with the Norn Russians.

[Kazimiera]

I used a few from the Forumbiodiversity for my map(if any ask, I'll stick their user name in)..I'll add you as soon as I can confidently get this correct...Same with other New-Worlders...It's just a muck about, but good fun doing.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3314/map11u.png

The Asian, is stretching the map! Noooooo. lol That's why Su is down there, same with the Norn Russians.

Me too! Me too! :bounce:

[evon]

Denmark is a little to close for my liking :P

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I used a few from the Forumbiodiversity for my map(if any ask, I'll stick their user name in)..I'll add you as soon as I can confidently get this correct...Same with other New-Worlders...It's just a muck about, but good fun doing.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3314/map11u.png

The Asian, is stretching the map! Noooooo. lol That's why Su is down there, same with the Norn Russians.

May I be included? My Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 5.68%
Armenian 15.79%
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 24.06%
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.61%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 22.11%
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 13.06%
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.30%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 6.97%
West_Med 2.42%

[Jackson]

I used a few from the Forumbiodiversity for my map(if any ask, I'll stick their user name in)..I'll add you as soon as I can confidently get this correct...Same with other New-Worlders...It's just a muck about, but good fun doing.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3314/map11u.png

The Asian, is stretching the map! Noooooo. lol That's why Su is down there, same with the Norn Russians.

Cool map, it seems to have been ironed out a bit more in NW Europe. My nan is looking ultra Celtic. :D

[Graham]

Yeah, I put North Atlantic, Basque & France into one segment. To make a more Western Atlantic part. Then stuck Central, North Sea & Finnic to make a North East.. to Split it apart. Iberia is on it's own, I may add West Med to that. It seems like the East West split to the South, Starts at Italy & West Med.

I'll add, the New Worlders in, only when I'm very sure. I feel it's not right to show someone from say America, the wrong piece of information.. Old worlders kind of know, where they aught to be.

I know how the mapping system works now, and how to put what where. Need to change a few things. So the map will improve again.

Running my parents though DIYdodecad right now.

[Graham]

May I be included? My Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions.


I'm worried about over-fitting with some, but your results seem ok. You'd fit in fine.. I'll add you.

I'm going to try and split the Georgian from the Turkish..next. Bring it a little North.

Anyone with say 30% Amerindian don't ask, haha.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I'm worried about over-fitting with some, but your results seem ok. You'd fit in fine.. I'll add you.

I'm going to try and split the Georgian from the Turkish..next. Bring it a little North.

Anyone with say 30% Amerindian don't ask, haha.

I appreciate it, I have a question. Do you know specifically, what causes "overfitting"?

[Graham]

Yes, unique clusters on the map..That none else has.. Like if you were the only one with South Asian. It would put you on the far periphery & stretch the rest.

I'm looking for trends. Like Turkey tends to go from Italy to South Central Asia in the South. Italy would have a good deal of ancestry from it's East, but not into South Central Asia. Iberia keeps away from it more-so, with more North African.

[Graham]

My Mum's Results..Her ancestry Is Scottish, Northumbrian & Shetlander.

22.70% North_Sea
16.95% North_Atlantic
11.43% French
9.16% Iberian
8.01% Fennoscandian
7.53% East_Central_Euro
5.98% Central_Euro
6.69% Italian
4.54% Basque
4.97% Eastern_Euro
1.29% North_Caucasian

[Black Wolf]

I used a few from the Forumbiodiversity for my map(if any ask, I'll stick their user name in)..I'll add you as soon as I can confidently get this correct...Same with other New-Worlders...It's just a muck about, but good fun doing.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3314/map11u.png

The Asian, is stretching the map! Noooooo. lol That's why Su is down there, same with the Norn Russians.

Yup sure sounds good thank you very much! :)...My username is CA1 in the Eurogenes Project so you can use that as my name on the map if you wish.

[Graham]

Your name is so short anyway..Everyone should now have short names. lol

[Graham]

Dad's result K36 ancestry is Scottish & Cumbrian.

19.98% North_Atlantic
19.13% North_Sea
10.95% French
10.20% Italian
8.72% Iberian
8.69% Eastern_Euro
7.83% Central_Euro
5.88% Basque
4.81% Fennoscandian
2.58% East_Central_Euro
1.16% Armenian

[Black Wolf]

I just took a look at my own DIY calculator results for K36 and compared them to my GEDmatch K36 results (which I posted here). I noticed some very small minor differences. Does it really matter much which version we use for the map then?

[Graham]

Aye, I used the first test I seen, whatever.. It's hard to know the difference, In mine it's tiny.

[Black Wolf]

Aye, I used the first test I seen, whatever.. It's hard to know the difference, In mine it's tiny.

Ya the differences are very small for mine as well. Probably does not matter much. I was just wondering. :)

[Jackson]

Interesting results for your parents Graham. It's interesting how it matches your known ancestry, or seems to - Your father seems more Celtic and your mother more Anglo-Scando.

Did you add them to your PCA?

[Graham]

Yeah my dad sits like North West-Central Britain, North of Albion. Mum is Near me, to the North-Central East Britain, towards West Norway, North of your Dad who is South-Central East Britain.

Your Gran is say Wales. Your mum, Granddad & yourself are far South East England..Into the Germanic nations.

Using my imagination with the map locations, so far.

My mum and I are the most North East for any Brit/Irish. For me makes total sense.

[Damião de Góis]

I used a few from the Forumbiodiversity for my map(if any ask, I'll stick their user name in)..I'll add you as soon as I can confidently get this correct...Same with other New-Worlders...It's just a muck about, but good fun doing.. :P

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3314/map11u.png

The Asian, is stretching the map! Noooooo. lol That's why Su is down there, same with the Norn Russians.

Now it's back to the what i'm used to see. I'm on the eastern part of the iberian cluster closer to italians. I'm not sure what caused this sudden shift, but my guess is ITNorth, which wasn't there before.

[Graham]

Now it's back to the what i'm used to see. I'm on the eastern part of the iberian cluster closer to italians. I'm not sure what caused this sudden shift, but my guess is ITNorth, which wasn't there before.

I lumped North African in with the Middle East & South East Europe. Gonna stick Sardinia with Iberia together. I have Basque, North Atlantic & France together as a Western Atlantic front, with Iberia on its own currently. :P The reason you are more East is your East Central Euro & middle Eastern parts..

Those without the Berber, are going to push the most West.

[Jackson]

Yeah my dad sits like North West-Central Britain, North of Albion. Mum is Near me, to the North-Central East Britain, towards West Norway, North of your Dad who is South-Central East Britain.

Your Gran is say Wales. Your mum, Granddad & yourself are far South East England..Into the Germanic nations.

Using my imagination with the map locations, so far.

My mum and I are the most North East for any Brit/Irish. For me makes total sense.

Interesting, it does make sense in all matters now - Better than the last plot. My Aunt will probably end up near me, or between me and my mother. Makes sense for my Grandmother, although she shows a slight north-east pull, her south-west pull is twice as strong according to oracle x, and overall she comes out a bit southwest of the English average usually. Her ancestry is 1/2 Cheshire, 1/2 London (with roots going deeper into London, Hertfordshire and i think Devon) and the Cheshire half is right from the coast near Liverpool, so probably a mix of all kinds of folk. There's also a rumor of Welsh ancestry in there although it hasn't showed up in any of the genaeology yet, so it may be further back.
If i can i'd love to get my grandfather's sister tested, although i'll have to do it soon i fear. My Grandfather is basically 7/8 eastern/south-eastern English (from Hertfordshire, Suffolk, Norfolk, Essex, Sussex, London) and 1/8 or 1/16 Irish (his mother said there was Irish in their family, and it shows up in Oracle x, but i haven't found genealogical confirmation yet, it's there i'm sure of it).
My mother is 1/2 Kentish 1/2 British Isles Megamix (Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Northumberland, Scotland - I think south-west Scotland - Pembrokeshire (south), Hampshire). So i think her position makes sense.

All the positions can be well explained in my view, at least for my family.

[Maleficent]

Graham, what ethnicity would say I am genetically closest to, based on these maps you have made? A mix like mine is supposed to be closest to Ashkenazis and Sicilians, but I seem to be a bit more Northern than them on your maps.

[Black Wolf]

Great work Graham! Keep it up man! :D

[Black Wolf]

Oh and thanks for the warm welcome here Jackson! :)

[Kazimiera]

Great work Graham! Keep it up man! :D

Hang around Graham and Jackson. They will make you famous! :p

Now where are the rest of us in your map? come on, move it, move it!

[MfA_]

GEDmatch.com is online again and requires membership from now on.. Also upload functions are seem to be temporarily disabled until about May 10..

[Graham]

Looking through some of results for France I have. It's quite clearly another North Atlantic variation... From Ireland to Austria.

11.73 Uk
11.43 Graham Ma
11.02 Ire
10.95 Graham Da
10.42 Ire
10.34 Ire
9.79 Albion
9.77 Graham
9.61 Palla
9.44 Noricum
9.30 Ire
8.96 PapGd France
8.54 JacksonGran
8.41 JacksonDad
8.34 Drogin
8.29 Nld
8.20 Nrw
8.12 Alpine
8.03 EvGran
7.87 Nrw
7.62 Frn
7.60 FrnNE
7.56 Jackson
7.53 FrnSE
7.39 Ire
6.81 AlpineCelt
6.79 Pap France
6.73 DrgnDa
6.64 A.Delarge
6.55 Atl.Isl

[Mark]

Thought I would add my friend to this thread also...

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

19.19% East_Central_Euro
15.04% Central_Euro
14.54% North_Sea
11.73% Eastern_Euro
-------------------------------------------------
9.63% Iberian
9.39% North_Atlantic
8.60% Fennoscandian
4.00% Italian
3.01% French
1.68% Basque
1.65% East_Balkan
1.55% West_Med
---------------------------------------------------
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% Central_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Med
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian

[drogin]

My dads EUTest PCA result... any other Norwegians or Finns with similar results?
http://i40.tinypic.com/339ou0z.gif

[Kazimiera]

I did another 2D PCA for myself today and the results were totally different to the last time. :confused:

Although this time it makes much more sense.

EUTest

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/Eurogenes/2x3PCAEU_zps871eaf20.png


JTest

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/Eurogenes/2x3PCAJtest_zps71048c41.png

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Some of my plots from the EUtest/Jtest.

http://imageshack.us/a/img833/8046/2dpcaplot2.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/9165/2dpcaplot6.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7809/2dpcaplot7.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/2161/2dpcaplot8.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img526/9098/2dpcaplot9.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/6121/2dpcaplot10.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img841/3053/jtestpca123.png

[MfA_]

Dissimilarity graph, i think this is good enough for grouping neighbours..

http://abload.de/img/k13_turks_mfa_21cucq.png

[Graham]

^^^^
What part of Turkey is Su from? Noticed her ancestry, is more spread out than others, on K36.

[MfA_]

^^^^
What part of Turkey is Su from? Noticed her ancestry, is more spread out than others, on K36.

Centralsouth+Southern..
She clusters with southerns and west southerns..

[Annihilus]

Dissimilarity graph, i think this is good enough for grouping neighbours..

http://abload.de/img/k13_turks_mfa_21cucq.png

annihilus=tr4;)

[Black Wolf]

Graham how is the map coming along bro?

[Atlantic Islander]

I'm already itching for another K run, haha.

[MfA_]

annihilus=tr4;)

nope, TR4 is Xyresic's grandmother :p You and Partizan have only part Anatolian Turkish Ancestry so you are in the same branch doesnt surprise me..

This time i added non-Turkish Anatolians+ a Maniot Greek and Georgian, notice how Kurds and Armenians cluster eachother..

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_anatolia_9pupc.png

[MfA_]

The Apricity

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_47ub5.png

[Mazik]

In case you're going for another run, here are my results:


North European 60.73%
West African 0.65%
Mediterranean 21.97%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian 3.04%
South Asian 1.30%
Southwest Asian 1.50%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 4.45%
East Siberian 1.59%
East Asian 0.77%
Amerindian 0.21%
West Central Asian 3.81%


And my grandpa:


North European 60.21%
West African 0.32%
Mediterranean 20.60%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian 5.36%
South Asian 0.73%
Southwest Asian 1.01%
Pygmy 0.95%
Caucasus 5.45%
East Siberian 2.20%
East Asian 0.57%
Amerindian 0.97%
West Central Asian 1.63%

[MfA_]

^^sure

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_bie6q.png

[Jackson]

Mfa would you mind adding myself, mother, aunt, father,grandfather and my grandmother by the way if that's ok?

Cool chart!

Me:
North European 54.42%
West African 1.10%
Mediterranean 28.84%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.10%
Southwest Asian 3.42%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 5.35%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.46%
West Central Asian 5.33%

Grandfather:
North European 57.27%
West African -
Mediterranean 28.62%
Northeast African 0.44%
North Eurasian 1.32%
South Asian 1.12%
Southwest Asian 1.23%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 5.05%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 4.97%

Grandmother:
North European 56.71%
West African -
Mediterranean 30.33%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
South Asian -
Southwest Asian 2.90%
Pygmy 0.19%
Caucasus 3.77%
East Siberian 0.24%
East Asian 1.30%
Amerindian 0.06%
West Central Asian 4.48%

Mother:
North European 53.21%
West African 0.65%
Mediterranean 28.03%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.31%
Southwest Asian 1.40%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 10.32%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 5.09%

Aunt:
North European 55.15%
West African 0.49%
Mediterranean 29.68%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian 0.16%
South Asian 1.60%
Southwest Asian 1.53%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 6.08%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.85%
West Central Asian 4.46%

Father:
North European 56.58%
West African -
Mediterranean 30.13%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.81%
Southwest Asian 2.61%
Pygmy 0.28%
Caucasus 2.95%
East Siberian -
East Asian 0.14%
Amerindian 0.49%
West Central Asian 4.99%

[Loki]

^^sure


Where am I?? :(

[MfA_]

I'll update soon


Where am I?? :(
I still dont have your results :/

[Graham]

How'd you get the chart? It works very well for you, imo.

[MfA_]

Ok updated with Jackson and Co.

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_3pjuy.png

[Graham]

Larali has plenty of ancestry, from the British Isles. Going by her results. It's no surprise that, we are close.

[Loki]

Here is mine:

North European 50.46%
West African 2.23%
Mediterranean 29.61%
Northeast African 1.07%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.31%
Southwest Asian 1.75%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 6.51%
East Siberian 0.17%
East Asian 1.30%
Amerindian 0.51%
West Central Asian 5.07%

[Loki]

Mfa would you mind adding myself, mother, aunt, father,grandfather and my grandmother by the way if that's ok?

Cool chart!

Me:
North European 54.42%
West African 1.10%
Mediterranean 28.84%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.10%
Southwest Asian 3.42%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 5.35%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.46%
West Central Asian 5.33%


Interesting that you got more West African than your parents!

[Jackson]

Interesting that you got more West African than your parents!

Indeed, funky things like that seem to happen, its the same with south-west Asian on most calcs, so i look like one of my parents should have a substantial amount of it, but they have less, and my Dad's parents and Aunt have even less again usually! Quite strange, recombination i guess. :)

[xajapa]

nope, TR4 is Xyresic's grandmother
MfA, do you know Xyresic's Eurogenes i.d. number? Is it TR18 or TR24 by chance?

[MfA_]

MfA, do you know Xyresic's Eurogenes i.d. number? Is it TR18 or TR24 by chance?

I think it's better you ask it from him..

ok adding Loki did some changes on the chart..

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2zxuz6.png

[sgc2009]

My results:

North European 59.58%
West African -
Mediterranean 24.45%
Northeast African 0.84%
North Eurasian 2.22%
South Asian 1.09%
Southwest Asian 0.38%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 5.21%
East Siberian 0.70%
East Asian -
Amerindian 1.34%
West Central Asian 4.19%


Grandmother:

North European 59.52%
West African 0.16%
Mediterranean 28.29%
Northeast African 0.32%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.36%
Southwest Asian 0.70%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 5.60%
East Siberian 0.25%
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.92%
West Central Asian 2.87%

[Damião de Góis]

If you added Atlantic Islander or Ibericus i'm sure i wouldn't cluster with Greeks anymore.

[MfA_]

If you added Atlantic Islander or Ibericus i'm sure i wouldn't cluster with Greeks anymore.

You are actually quite different from them, the difference is more than twice.. but lack of sample from Iberia and France makes you cluster with other Southern Euros..
I'll wait a few hours for the next update..

[Graham]

Interesting that you got more West African than your parents!

It could be from another close linked cluster.. Noticed that, some clusters sort of spill onto related ones, with shared ancestry.. Though West African doesn't relate to the others much!

[MfA_]

Couldn't help myself, along with sgc2009, 2 French have been added..

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2mwief.png

[Xyresic]

annihilus=tr4;)

nope, TR4 is Xyresic's grandmother :p You and Partizan have only part Anatolian Turkish Ancestry so you are in the same branch doesnt surprise me..MfA_ the confusion lays in the fact that Annihillus is actually TR4 in the actual eurogenes project:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BesUZ4T0mTczn-H5kommfYfI57Rzbba4OuYK_2uQOxY/edit?hl=en&pli=1#

TR1 curiousturk (Turkish with Balkan, Northeastern Turkey, Western Turkey Yoruk-Turkoman roots)
TR2 Turkish_princess (Turkish from Konya)
TR3 lost_cosmonaut (50% Ethnic Laz, 50% Black Sea Turk)
TR4 annihilus (Turkish)
TR9 mnd661 (Cypriot Turk, 1/16 SSA)


MfA, do you know Xyresic's Eurogenes i.d. number? Is it TR18 or TR24 by chance?Its neither.

[MfA_]

MfA_ the confusion lays in the fact that Annhillus is actually TR4 in the actual eurogenes project:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BesUZ4T0mTczn-H5kommfYfI57Rzbba4OuYK_2uQOxY/edit?hl=en&pli=1#

TR1 curiousturk (Turkish with Balkan, Northeastern Turkey, Western Turkey Yoruk-Turkoman roots)
TR2 Turkish_princess (Turkish from Konya)
TR3 lost_cosmonaut (50% Ethnic Laz, 50% Black Sea Turk)
TR4 annihilus (Turkish)
TR9 mnd661 (Cypriot Turk, 1/16 SSA)

Its neither.
Ah i see, naming scheme i use on charts is not interchangeable with Eurogenes..

..............


Updated with Elias and a few more Nordics

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2o3ukj.png

[drogin]

me:
North European 59.80%
West African -
Mediterranean 23.08%
Northeast African 0.59%
North Eurasian 0.89%
South Asian -
Southwest Asian 1.77%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 8.20%
East Siberian 1.57%
East Asian -
Amerindian 1.12%
West Central Asian 2.96%

[MfA_]

drogin + 2 German

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2f6j7s.png

[Black Wolf]

Could you add me in as well please MfA_? It would be interesting to see where I land. Here are my K13 results below.


Population
North European 50.92%
West African -
Mediterranean 25.03%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian 1.58%
South Asian 0.57%
Southwest Asian 4.05%
Pygmy 0.39%
Caucasus 8.84%
East Siberian 1.23%
East Asian 0.42%
Amerindian 0.66%
West Central Asian 6.27%

[Black Wolf]

Oh wait am I already there as Jax?

[MfA_]

Oh wait am I already there as Jax?

Yes, you are.. I took from the thread on ABF..

[Black Wolf]

Cool thanks man! Looks like I am next to tschort? Who is that? Ancestry?

[Atlantic Islander]

Could I be included?

Gedmatch k13:
North European 39.31%
West African 0.58%
Mediterranean 39.44%
Northeast African 2.51%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.25%
Southwest Asian 5.49%
Pygmy 0.17%
Caucasus 5.44%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.70%
West Central Asian 5.07%

[ZephyrousMandaru]

MfA, would it be possible for you to add a few more West Asian samples to your list? I'd appreciate it.

Iraqi Arab From Baghdad

Population
North European 4.39%
West African -
Mediterranean 21.57%
Northeast African 2.39%
North Eurasian 0.70%
South Asian 5.02%
Southwest Asian 14.03%
Pygmy 0.82%
Caucasus 24.30%
East Siberian 0.51%
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.16%
West Central Asian 26.11%

Palestinian

Population
North European 4.57%
West African 3.37%
Mediterranean 26.11%
Northeast African 6.49%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 2.69%
Southwest Asian 16.18%
Pygmy 0.62%
Caucasus 18.30%
East Siberian 0.71%
East Asian -
Amerindian 0.09%
West Central Asian 20.88%

Iranian (Persian)

Population
North European 6.90%
West African 1.24%
Mediterranean 15.74%
Northeast African -
North Eurasian 1.08%
South Asian 9.27%
Southwest Asian 9.85%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 25.06%
East Siberian 0.84%
East Asian 1.13%
Amerindian 0.83%
West Central Asian 28.03%

Lebanese

Population
North European 6.46%
West African 1.75%
Mediterranean 28.49%
Northeast African 6.59%
North Eurasian 0.54%
South Asian 2.28%
Southwest Asian 15.24%
Pygmy 0.30%
Caucasus 19.68%
East Siberian -
East Asian 0.82%
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 17.83%

[MfA_]

Cool thanks man! Looks like I am next to tschort? Who is that? Ancestry?

I dont know much about him he should be a Romanian or Ukrainian..



ok here is the latest update.. Iranians and Levantines-Mesopotamians are seperated nicely.. Iberians cluster each other along with sister branch French..

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2r1un5.png

[orangepulp]

^^
Scilianu101, Fairyprincess and Mark are in the West Asian branch.

[MfA_]

^^
Scilianu101, Fairyprincess and Mark are in the West Asian branch.

They've been moving back and forth between West Asian and European from one chart to another.. I think with more results from Italy and it's peripherals, they will stay in European branch..

[Sikeliot]

^^
Scilianu101, Fairyprincess and Mark are in the West Asian branch.

And interestingly they all cluster side by side.

If you think about it they should be of similar genetics.. all of them are some combination of European and Levantine, just from three entirely different time periods.

[orangepulp]

They've been moving back and forth between West Asian and European from one chart to another.. I think with more results from Italy and it's peripherals, they will stay in European branch..

In general those 3 do have higher significant Middle Eastern/West Asian scores than average which does put them somewhere in between Europe and Western Asia.

[Sikeliot]

Btw, so much for the "Iraqis are Arabian Bedouins" or whatever that CircassianWine says. They seem to be Arabized Assyrians if anything.

[orangepulp]

^^

And Assyrians seem to be closer to Levantines than Armenian/Anatolians.

Notice the last branch is grouped in three which is very North West Asian:

1- Georgian
2_ Armenians/Anatolian Turk/Pontic Greek
3- North Eastern/Black Sea Turks

[Graham]

^^^
You and your Aunt seem more alike to the Armenians on the K36

I have too many folk, to properly run that other way.. lol

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/2814/59332482.png

[orangepulp]

^^

My aunt is very Armenian like in the genetic sense. In this tree she is the only Turk who is in the Armenian branch ( O's aunt). Because my mother's side is an extreme case I turn out to be like a pseudo Black Sea Turk (in most runs my results are identical with Black Sea Turks) , while I am only half North Eastern and half Central Anatolian Turk. There is definitely some strange case with my maternal side.

See the smaller version of this map with West Asians. The blue lines are divided in two, nonMuslim dominated Anatolians and Muslim Anatolian/ Black Sea Turks. My aunt is in the nonMuslim group close to the Pontic Greek while I am with Black Sea Turks.
http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_anatolia_9pupc.png

[d3cimat3d]

Feel free to add me:

North European 36.76%
West African 0.22%
Mediterranean 18.46%
Northeast African 0.13%
North Eurasian 2.71%
South Asian 0.71%
Southwest Asian 4.33%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 27.50%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 9.18%

[MfA_]

added some spice

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2zpqr8.png

[ZephyrousMandaru]

added some spice

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2zpqr8.png

Excellent, thank you MfA.

[gottex]

MfA
I'm FR2, can you add me, thank you

Population
North European 49.54%
West African -
Mediterranean 33.16%
Northeast African 0.13%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 0.43%
Southwest Asian 4.06%
Pygmy 0.19%
Caucasus 7.13%
East Siberian 0.31%
East Asian 0.49%
Amerindian 0.35%
West Central Asian 4.20%

[Ibericus]

If you can add me also :

North European 41.03%
West African 0.14%
Mediterranean 38.69%
Northeast African 1.39%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 0.22%
Southwest Asian 4.64%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 9.12%
East Siberian -
East Asian 0.57%
Amerindian 0.17%
West Central Asian 4.02%

[Sea Warrior]

If at all possible please add me as well. Thanks!

North European 56.62%
West African-
Mediterranean 28.69%
Northeast African-
North Eurasian 0.90%
South Asian 0.17%
Southwest Asian 3.79%
Pygmy-
Caucasus 5.87%
East Siberian 0.34%
East Asian-
Amerindian 0.18%
West Central Asian 3.45%

[drogin]

Interesting..seems like I group with Germans / east europeans rather than Norwegians/Swedes

[MfA_]

today's update

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_2mxu2m.png

[Black Wolf]

^Awesome work! So basically then what we see here so far is a very large European group and a very large West Asian/Near Eastern group.

[Graham]

When I post up my version of that K36, it'll be in chunks.. Have well over 100 people.. need to sort out the text, that is overlapping the map. Frickin annoying, so it is ah'll tell ye..

[Black Wolf]

Looking forward to seeing your work Graham!

[MfA_]

Adding mixed berbers and moroccon+spanish formed Mark, Fairyprincess and Sicilianu into another branch ones again.. Europe Branch is just so oversampled by Germanics that they can't find a room inside..

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_200ull.png

averages of main branches..
http://abload.de/img/class_mfa_gxu0x.png

and distances between(lower is closer)
http://abload.de/img/distance_mfa_ieu8u.png

[Mark]

^ Guess the 3 of us are a very sensitive mixture. ;)

[Graham]

Looking forward to seeing your work Graham!

If I can get it nice and neat, like tis for example.. This isn't the final thing.. because I havent updated the Serbian( Uncut) & Bosniaks data.

The text overlaps. grrrr & I like neat..

http://imageshack.us/a/img689/473/ahhht.png

I'm happy with the set up though, so can put everyones results in now.. :p It took a while. lol

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I'm assuming the C3 branches on the dendrodram, is where the mixed Middle Eastern and European, and Southeastern Europeans are.

[MfA_]

If I can get it nice and neat, like tis for example.. This isn't the final thing.. because I havent updated the Serbian( Uncut) & Bosniaks data.

The text overlaps. grrrr & I like neat..

I'm happy with the set up though, so can put everyones results in now.. :p It took a while. lol

Hey Graham, just click the outliner of plot area so that you can open some room for texts

http://abload.de/img/desktop_2013_05_01_02zwu6o.png

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Hey MfA, if it's possible, do you think you could run these same samples using another calculator? For example, MDLP-World 22?

[Graham]

Grand! You are obviously smarter than I am( I'm dumb). Thank you. lol

[Graham]

Hey MfA, if it's possible, do you think you could run these same samples using another calculator? For example, MDLP-World 22?

You could yes, it would take a while though. It's all done through Excel. All you need is the numbers & voila!

[Jackson]

Eagerly awaiting the results Graham, and nice charts as always Mfa!

[Black Wolf]

Hey MfA_ I see that you have now labeled the different branches on the K13 dendogram. C2 obviously is the European branch. As we can see I am beside tschort who is either Romanian or Ukrainian I think. It is interesting how my unique mixed ancestry makes my genes appear this way. Do I look Germanic or some other sort of Central European in this dendogram?

[MfA_]

Hey MfA, if it's possible, do you think you could run these same samples using another calculator? For example, MDLP-World 22?

It can be done but time consuming.. though, as a substitute i have this for you

http://oetzi20.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Reconstruction-by-Kennis-%C2%A9-South-Tyrol-Museum-of-Archaeology-Foto-Ochsenreiter-21.jpg

http://abload.de/img/mlp22_mfa_g7u9m.png



Do I look Germanic or some other sort of Central European in this dendogram?

I think, You are in Germanic branch as a outliner due to lack of sample from Eastern Euros.. certainly not Scando, but more like an US British white..

[Graham]

Eagerly awaiting the results Graham, and nice charts as always Mfa!

I could say one thing. Your mum isn't a normal Brit/Irish.. Was trying my hardest to pull her back in the crowd. lol Pushes to Central Europe.

My Mum, Dad and I, are the closest to one another.

[Black Wolf]

I could say one thing. Your mum isn't a normal Brit/Irish.. Was trying my hardest to pull her back in the crowd. lol Pushes to Central Europe.

Am I there yet Graham lol?

[Graham]

Will be..am going to try for tomorrow. We'll be closer to 200 people soon enough, hehe.

[Black Wolf]

Will be..am going to try for tomorrow. We'll be closer to 200 people soon enough, hehe.

Nice great stuff! Would you mind adding in my father, mother, grandfather, uncle and great uncle as well? If not I will understand. You already have a lot of people on it.

[Jackson]

I could say one thing. Your mum isn't a normal Brit/Irish.. Was trying my hardest to pull her back in the crowd. lol Pushes to Central Europe.

My Mum, Dad and I, are the closest to one another.

Interesting, not surprising though. :)
Think she has ancestry from south-east Europe somewhere, although not 100% certain.

[Kazimiera]

Me too! Me too! Me too!

:jump0000::jump0000:

[Otto Prohaska]

Here's my K13. Would appreciate being added...

North European 53.63%
Mediterranean 26.06%
Caucasus 11.12%
West Central Asian 4.99%
Southwest Asian 1.25%
South Asian 0.99%
East Asian 0.70%
North Eurasian 0.38%
Amerindian 0.36%
Pygmy 0.30%
Northeast African 0.21%
West African 0.00%
East Siberian 0.00%

[Black Wolf]

Very nice work Graham thank you! It looks like I am closest to SGC and DrgnDa. Are they Romanians do you?

[Graham]

Very nice work Graham thank you! It looks like I am closest to SGC and DrgnDa. Are they Romanians do you?

You and your dad, are in a sort of mixed Scandinavian part. :P

Funny how I put in IM's South Asian scores, & he still turns up with the Balkans.

My family pull up, right next to your mums family. :)

If I forgot your results, direct me to them please, anyone.

[Graham]

Bumping to the next page.. It has some from the other forums also...

North central Europe

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/9007/43411989.png
East Europe

http://imageshack.us/a/img507/7383/78592946.png
North-West Europe

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/3993/42515908.png
West Europe

http://imageshack.us/a/img259/6343/99520598.png
Finland

http://imageshack.us/a/img248/9885/64271324.png
Med

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/8561/54595049.png
South Eurasia

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/3371/11781912.png

[Pallantides]

A Bosniak among the North Central Europeans?

[Graham]

A Bosniak among the North Central Europeans?

It's weird, this person seems to be the most European, than the others in the Balkans.. On the PCA map it sits in-between the Serbian & Central Europe/Austria.

A little nudge could move it both ways.

[Graham]

In Comparison, the Bosniak sits East of Noricum & North of the Serbian.

Bosniak
East_Central_Euro 18.36%
Eastern_Euro 12.11%
Italian 13.05%
East_Balkan 9.14%
North_Sea 8.79%
Iberian 8.09%
Fennoscandian 6.20%
Central_Euro 4.75%
East_Med 4.65%
Near_Eastern 3.75%
French 3.08%
North_Atlantic 2.81%
West_Caucasian 2.74%
Volga-Ural 1.09%
North_Caucasian 1.01%

Noricum - Austria
East_Central_Euro 14.78%
North_Atlantic 11.74%
Eastern_Euro 11.45%
French 9.44%
Italian 9.35%
Iberian 9.12%
Fennoscandian 8.56%
East_Balkan 7.86%
Central_Euro 5.75%
North_Sea 5.72%
Armenian 2.54%
East_Med 1.77%
West_Med 1.36%
Basque 0.55%

Serb
18.23% Italian
11.46% Iberian
10.77% East_Central_Euro
9.81% Eastern_Euro
9.29% East_Balkan
5.86% North_Sea
5.75% North_Caucasian
5.29% East_Med
4.87% Fennoscandian
3.58% French
3.35% Near_Eastern
3.07% West_Med
2.68% Central_Euro
2.56% Basque
2.49% Armenian
0.60% Arabian
0.18% West_Caucasian
0.15% North_Atlantic

[Loki]

How could I be South West Europe?

[Graham]

How could I be South West Europe?

You're way more South than us Brits.. None of us score Italian & Iberian as the top two. It's more like France.

loki - K36
18.51% Italian
15.13% Iberian
13.28% North_Sea
11.73% North_Atlantic
9.10% Fennoscandian
5.87% East_Central_Euro
5.49% Eastern_Euro
5.13% Central_Euro
4.28% French
1.86% North_Caucasian
1.74% South_Central_Asian
1.54% West_Med
1.51% Basque
1.38% West_African
1.31% East_Balkan

[Loki]

You're way more South than us Brits.. None of us score Italian & Iberian as the top two. It's more like France.

loki - K36
18.51% Italian
15.13% Iberian
13.28% North_Sea
11.73% North_Atlantic
9.10% Fennoscandian
5.87% East_Central_Euro
5.49% Eastern_Euro
5.13% Central_Euro
4.28% French
1.86% North_Caucasian
1.74% South_Central_Asian
1.54% West_Med
1.51% Basque
1.38% West_African
1.31% East_Balkan

In this particular K36 yes. Mostly I don't seem far away from Brits, but of course more on the continental side. You could say Belgium. But South West? Not really.

[Atlantic Islander]

In this particular K36 yes.

You score more Italian than I do :P

[Graham]

It's only a label I gave, all I have to do is change it to Atlantic.. ;) Look past the title.

If you actually look, you're with the French. I could show you a Dutchman in comparison to you.

North_Sea 17.87%
North_Atlantic 16.29%
Iberian 11.72%
Fennoscandian 11.05%
--------------------------
East_Central_Euro 8.94%
French 8.51%
Italian 5.19%
Eastern_Euro 4.59%
Basque 3.88%
Central_Euro 3.59%
West_Med 2.90%
South_Central_Asian 2.31%
West_Caucasian 1.22%

[Atlantic Islander]

How could I be South West Europe?

You seem to be with the French though, so it's not really Southwestern imo.

[Loki]

You seem to be with the French though, so it's not really Southwestern imo.

Yes exactly, I agree. It's more West-Central kindof.

[Loki]

It's only a label I gave, all I have to do is change it to Atlantic.. ;) Look past the title.

If you actually look, you're with the French. I could show you a Dutchman in comparison to you.

North_Sea 17.87%
North_Atlantic 16.29%
Iberian 11.72%
Fennoscandian 11.05%
--------------------------
East_Central_Euro 8.94%
French 8.51%
Italian 5.19%
Eastern_Euro 4.59%
Basque 3.88%
Central_Euro 3.59%
West_Med 2.90%
South_Central_Asian 2.31%
West_Caucasian 1.22%

Yes indeed. It was just the label that was misleading. I often cluster among French. But that's central Europe, not too far from Germans. It also depends which part of France, of course.

[Graham]

I'll try to put up a map tonight, to make it look less misleading.. Will have to remove outliers for that though.. Like the Kurds, Algerians.

It will prob show Loki & the Bosniak in a clearer way.

[Graham]

Map
http://imageshack.us/a/img833/5292/apricitymap.png

[Mark]

@Graham: So would you say Sicily or more Naples for me?

[Graham]

Fuck knows lol, you look quite Italian anyhow.

Think I might stick to the maps & let Mfa continue with the other stuff. I prefer the map. Keep on trying to improve this map.

edit: noticed I missed out a few by accident.

[Jackson]

My mother decided it's not cool in the NW group then xD.

[Mazik]

Nice that you included the n.Swedes Graham :)

Did you include the Roma admixed n.swede as well?

[Graham]

My mother decided it's not cool in the NW group then xD.
Your Mum is an Austrian & Bavarian or something. As the son, ditch your tiddly bells, morris dancing kit for a Lederhosen.

I didn't bother to try the Gypsy Swede.. I'll try for next time. lol

[Loki]

Okay that makes more sense. For example, Albion is closer to me than he is to your dad.

[Graham]

Okay that makes more sense. For example, Albion is closer to me than he is to your dad.

Yeah, it does look better for you. You're sort of inbetween France & Germany. Think I'll stick to improving the map.. I want it good, if we can get the scores for Otzi etc.. To compare to us. :) I want it perfect for then.

The Bosniak looks like a South Slav also, that makes more sense.

[Pallantides]

Map
http://imageshack.us/a/img833/5292/apricitymap.png

Idriz is native Scanian right, so shouldn't he be with SGC's gran and not with the North Swedes, Drogin(who is part Forest Finn) and myself:D

[Graham]

Idriz is native Scanian right, so shouldn't he be with SGC's gran and not with the North Swedes, Drogin(who is part Forest Finn) and myself:D

ok, this is the kind of info I need. To try and make it better. There's things I can change.

Polako left plenty of room to improve it. :) I also wanted to try and get the Polish together away from Russians, with no luck.

[Graham]

Raine and INird are clustering damn close, they must be cousins while I'm the coolest being with nobody.

Turkophagos also has a 23andme account. Should try and scran his data.

The map might change again. But you lot stick to together, always no matter what. Greeks & Albanians, away from the other Balkans.

[Loki]

Turkophagos also has a 23andme account. Should try and scran his data.

The map might change again. But you lot stick to together, always no matter what. Greeks & Albanians, away from the other Balkans.

Greeks and Albanians are very close it seems.

[HispaniaSagrada]

The Spanish samples:

Wow. All mostly/fairly similar. Same region?

[Sea Warrior]

If there is any way that I could also be included in the Eurogenes K36 plots and analysis it would be very much appreciated. These kinds of analysis help me to better understand my results and I find them very interesting. I'm always looking to learn more about my ancestry.

My results:
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.66%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.51%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.13%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.63%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.98%
Fennoscandian 9.35%
French 6.36%
Iberian 16.46%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 7.04%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.30%
North_Caucasian 1.32%
North_Sea 17.78%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.01%
West_Med .46%

[Kazimiera]

So where does this map leave me? I find it all a bit confusing. As well as the dendograph.

[Graham]

So where does this map leave me? I find it all a bit confusing. As well as the dendograph.

German or East German, I'm not sure where the German you sit next to is from.. I'll try to find out & let you know.

The other German sits far west of you, is from the North West Germany. I'd need more Germans to know. Or Polish infact.

--------------------------------
Still not happy with the where Turkish are in their places. Need to keep trying improve that. Would be helpful to know where Near East peaks, compared to East Med.

I'll try to drag those with East Med a little West & Near East, a little East.

[MfA_]

MDLP World-22 (http://abload.de/img/mlp22_mfa_g7u9m.png)

West Eurasia K13
http://abload.de/img/westeurasia_k13_mfa_74um4.png

[Loki]

Yep I seem to cluster around French and Swiss.

[orangepulp]

And again I'm closer to the Armenians ( TR21) , GE4 who is also in the same branch as me is 1/4 Armenian and 3/4 Georgian as I recall.
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2949/euk13op.png

[Pallantides]

http://i.imgur.com/KzsclGU.jpg

[Graham]

Cat equivalent of the chart

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m53cjmItiz1r79yp0o1_1280.gif

[sgc2009]

Idriz is native Scanian right, so shouldn't he be with SGC's gran and not with the North Swedes, Drogin(who is part Forest Finn) and myself:D

I think he had some Swedish ancestry, I also guess it's possible he might have something Finnish from eastern Blekinge. He's an outlier not only to Scanians but to south Scandinavians in general, Swedes from Småland tend to plot south of him.

[Damião de Góis]

I'm on a small cluster with spaniards. I wonder where they're from.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/svjerl.jpg

[Graham]

It would be good to see one day, the likes of Iberia, cluster into their own parts, instead of one lump mix.

[Jackson]

It would be good to see one day, the likes of Iberia, cluster into their own parts, instead of one mix.

I might draw a map based on the genetic clusters on PCAs, would be interesting. Invent new but similar ethnicities to look at it in a different light and see how people relate to one another from a neutral standpoint, could be fun.

[Atlantic Islander]

Here's where I'm at:

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1372/whereiplot.png

[Jackson]

I could actually also make the map on Age of Empires 2 at some point and pit you all against each other. :D

[Graham]

I could actually also make the map on Age of Empires 2 at some point and pit you all against each other. :D

Great game.. But what in the flying hell, dae ye mean? lol I don't fancy being a lackey for your tree chopping & building.

[Jackson]

Great game.. But what in the flying hell, dae ye mean? lol I don't fancy being a lackey for your tree chopping & building.

If i make a map based on your genetic map (i've already started on paint) and give vague cultural references to the ethnic groups but otherwise do nothing, and see how things pan out. So it should be quite neutral, although people should be able to recognise which regions they would be in. Well when i finish the paint map i'll do it on AOE II. I'm a student, i've got to find something worthwhile to do with my time! ;)

It'll be like an alternative view, The Aprican Archipelago.

[Black Wolf]

Map
http://imageshack.us/a/img833/5292/apricitymap.png

Very nice! This correlates quite well with many of my Oracle results form the various ADMIXTURE analysis at GEDmatch. I usually end up landing in around somewhere in Central Europe. I suppose you could say my combinations of ancestry from Northwestern, Southern and Northeastern Europe makes my overall makeup look like that of an obscure Central European. :P

[Graham]

Jax what is your mums Heritage? I'm curious, as she is closer to myself & the family.

[Black Wolf]

Jax what is your mums Heritage? I'm curious, as she is closer to myself & the family.

My mum as far as I know is 100% Irish/British Isles. In reality by far most of her ancestry comes from various parts of Britain before they went to Ireland. Most of her ancestors on both sides of the family were North Irish Protestants. There are a only two Irish Gaelic surnames that I know of in her/my family tree and the rest seem to look pretty British. Oh and possibly one French Hugenot family that came to Britain and then Ireland after the persecutions in France.

[Atlantic Islander]

Map
http://imageshack.us/a/img833/5292/apricitymap.png

I'm almost off of the plot lol.

[Black Wolf]

^Yup you look like a true Atlantic Islander here for sure lol!

[Graham]

I'm almost off of the plot lol.

Off to Azores apparently.

[Black Wolf]

How would you describe me on this map Graham? Like some sort of strange Central European?

[Otto Prohaska]

So where does this map leave me?

Hanging out in Central Europe with me and my dad... :)

[Otto Prohaska]

How would you describe me on this map Graham? Like some sort of strange Central European?

You're in Slovenia or maybe Hungary from the look of things.

Where does McDonald place you?

[larali]

Thanks guys, for putting me in there. I am not sure I fully understand all of this info but the charts are interesting. Kudos to the ones who have worked hard on those maps/ charts.

[Insuperable]

Who is this Cal Ma person on a plot? Norwegian? Looks more northern than Palla and other Scandos or does it?

[Pallantides]

It's Clamus mother I think, he is an East Norwegian guy who post on ABF, also I think his mother is on my rf list on 23andMe.

[Black Wolf]

You're in Slovenia or maybe Hungary from the look of things.

Where does McDonald place you?

McDonald has me (green spot on map) landing in the Czech Republic.

[Otto Prohaska]

McDonald has me (green spot on map) landing in the Czech Republic.

Me too, but I seem to come out a bit more northwestern on this one.

[Graham]

It's Clamus mother I think, he is an East Norwegian guy who post on ABF, also I think his mother is on my rf list on 23andMe.
She has extremely high North Sea..Higher than anyone.


How would you describe me on this map Graham? Like some sort of strange Central European?
Yeah north American.. Weird Central Europeans. :p No mixed New Worlders should be on the edge, I doubt it. Unless they're of one nationality.

larali don't think I've seen your K36 yet?

[Black Wolf]

She has extremely high North Sea..Higher than anyone.


Yeah north American.. Weird Central Europeans. :p No mixed New Worlders should be on the edge, I doubt it. Unless they're of one nationality.

larali don't think I've seen your K36 yet?

The edge?

[Graham]

The edge?

I mean the periphery. You have all these European Clusters for example, if your like the Finnish and have North Eastern clusters dominating everything, it'll push you outwards. Or the Georgians who like the Finnish, don't have a variation of numbers, It's all caucasus. The Turks at least share some Italian etc..

[Kazimiera]

German or East German, I'm not sure where the German you sit next to is from.. I'll try to find out & let you know.

The other German sits far west of you, is from the North West Germany. I'd need more Germans to know. Or Polish infact.



I'm quite interested to know, because the German side of my family is Silesian German minority and they had lived in Silesia as long as there is recollection. It would be quite interesting to know where the German Silesians fit in.

[Graham]

I'm quite interested to know, because the German side of my family is Silesian German minority and they had lived in Silesia as long as there is recollection. It would be quite interesting to know where the German Silesians fit in.

Surname is Radke, if that helps. Silesian surname.

Turns out an American, with what says German & Prussian ancestry. It was posted by his wife.

Americans should say they're American, & not German etc.. It confuses me. lol

https://www.23andme.com/user/?community_profile=9b64a4cacea2dba5

[Damião de Góis]

Some old stuff but i think isn't posted here.

Intra-Iberian analysis :

Key: Red = French + Irish (North Atlantic), Green= central and south Italians (Southern European), Blue = Mozabite Berbers (North African), Purple = Jordanians + Palestinians (Middle Eastern), Yellow= French Basques (Basque). See spreadsheet for details.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/iberia.png

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/Iberia-1.jpg

[evon]

Some Norwegian-Romani scores using K12b via gedmatch whom are related to my grandmother:

My grandmother:

Population
Western European 42.22%
Siberian -
East African 0.07%
West Central Asian 2.28%
South Asian 1.13%
West African -
Caucasus 4.23%
Finnish 9.54%
Mediterranean 10.28%
Southwest Asian 1.08%
North European 29.16%
East Asian -


Subject one:

Population
Western European 38.42%
Siberian 0.88%
East African -
West Central Asian 2.83%
South Asian 2.58%
West African 0.79%
Caucasus 2.66%
Finnish 11.51%
Mediterranean 11.06%
Southwest Asian 1.16%
North European 28.10%
East Asian -

Subject two:

Population
Western European 46.08%
Siberian 0.22%
East African 0.34%
West Central Asian 2.08%
South Asian 0.36%
West African -
Caucasus 5.11%
Finnish 9.09%
Mediterranean 9.82%
Southwest Asian 1.35%
North European 25.53%
East Asian -

Subject three:

Population
Western European 33.01%
Siberian 0.88%
East African 1.03%
West Central Asian 4.47%
South Asian 5.88%
West African -
Caucasus 4.61%
Finnish 13.04%
Mediterranean 12.27%
Southwest Asian 0.96%
North European 23.86%
East Asian -

And some that these above subject Romani match, but whom my grandmother do not match:

Subject one B:

Population
Western European 36.93%
Siberian 1.94%
East African 0.28%
West Central Asian 5.88%
South Asian 1.60%
West African -
Caucasus 5.44%
Finnish 11.52%
Mediterranean 10.83%
Southwest Asian 0.42%
North European 25.16%
East Asian -

Subject two B:

Population
Western European 36.32%
Siberian 1.47%
East African 0.82%
West Central Asian 3.31%
South Asian 2.63%
West African -
Caucasus 5.58%
Finnish 12.15%
Mediterranean 10.33%
Southwest Asian -
North European 27.40%
East Asian -

[Graham]

^^
Should ask IM, if he has any Norway cousins.

[Pallantides]

You ain't a proper Roma unless you are related to IM on 23andMe:D

[evon]

And interestingly, Finnish matches of my grandmother Using K12b:

Finnish 1:

Population
Western European 28.64%
Siberian 4.75%
East African -
West Central Asian 1.27%
South Asian 0.29%
West African -
Caucasus 0.09%
Finnish 35.46%
Mediterranean 2.40%
Southwest Asian -
North European 27.09%
East Asian -


Finnish 2:

Population
Western European 25.28%
Siberian 3.34%
East African 1.03%
West Central Asian 1.60%
South Asian 1.29%
West African -
Caucasus 0.61%
Finnish 30.44%
Mediterranean 6.28%
Southwest Asian -
North European 29.99%
East Asian 0.13%

Finnish 3:

Population
Western European 25.87%
Siberian 3.35%
East African -
West Central Asian 0.39%
South Asian 0.68%
West African -
Caucasus 1.23%
Finnish 33.92%
Mediterranean 4.46%
Southwest Asian -
North European 29.77%
East Asian 0.31%

Finnish 4:

Population
Western European 21.83%
Siberian 5.06%
East African -
West Central Asian 0.35%
South Asian 2.35%
West African 0.29%
Caucasus 2.31%
Finnish 37.15%
Mediterranean 1.05%
Southwest Asian -
North European 29.60%
East Asian -

[evon]

You ain't a proper Roma unless you are related to IM on 23andMe:D

My granny dosnt have him, but we have a few common Roma matches with him last i checked...

[Graham]

You ain't a proper Roma unless you are related to IM on 23andMe:D

Polako is related haha. It'll be the Slav side though.

[Black Wolf]

Hey Graham I noticed that my grandfather is not clustered in with the other Southern Italian/Sicilians on the map. He seems to be off on his own a bit I think towards Anatolia. What do you think?

[Otto Prohaska]

Surname is Radke, if that helps. Silesian surname.

Turns out an American, with what says German & Prussian ancestry. It was posted by his wife.

Americans should say they're American, & not German etc.. It confuses me. lol

https://www.23andme.com/user/?community_profile=9b64a4cacea2dba5

I'm related to the wife on my mom's side. Apparently her parents were British.

[MfA_]

Eurogenes K36

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
18.94% South_Central_Asian
18.24% East_Med
18.06% Near_Eastern
----------------------------
13.63% North_Caucasian
11.01% Armenian
10.29% West_Caucasian
----------------------------
4.03% Italian
2.75% Central_Euro
1.34% Arabian
0.97% Basque
0.65% West_Med
0.08% Iberian
----------------------------

EDIT: You guys've been using EUtest or K36 for the maps?

In anycase here is the my EUtest results..

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
37.64% EAST_MED
31.01% WEST_ASIAN
----------------------------
7.92% SOUTH_ASIAN
7.18% MIDDLE_EASTERN
----------------------------
3.94% WEST_MED
3.35% EAST_EURO
3.16% ATLANTIC
2.95% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
1.66% SOUTH_BALTIC
1.18% SIBERIAN
0.01% EAST_ASIAN
----------------------------
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN
----------------------------

EDIT2: Updated with gedmatch.com results..

[MfA_]

Nice gedmatch is online.. Updated the dendrogram with Otto P, South Italian(SI+Sicily), Balkan and myself.. Had to remove a few outliner..

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricity_mks2e.png

[Mark]

@MfA_

On the K13 map above, does my location approximate with the Tuscan or Sicilian populations?

[MfA_]

Major Update

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_apricitykbq13.png

[Kazimiera]

Major Update

...

So where exactly does this put me?? :D

[galychanyn]

Western Ukrainian Boyko: K=13.
https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/46/newbitmapimagetg.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

Major Update

One small thing - PT1 is Kadu and PT2 is Alexdelarge, so you technically have them on there twice. I don't know if you meant to or not.

[MfA_]

One small thing - PT1 is Kadu and PT2 is Alexdelarge, so you technically have them on there twice. I don't know if you meant to or not.

The naming i'm using is not interchangeable with Eurogenes, thus they are different persons..

[Atlantic Islander]

The naming i'm using is not interchangeable with Eurogenes, thus they are different persons..

Ah, okay. :)

[evon]

Based on K9:
The revenge of the hunter-gatherer genes! (http://bga101.blogspot.se/2013/05/the-revenge-of-hunter-gatherer-genes_3.html)

Ours:

Me:

Asian: 2.10%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 2.18%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 21.36%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 74.33%

Granny:

Asian: 2.21%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 4.74%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 21.27%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 71.79%

Uncle:

African: 0.22%
Asian: 2.61%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 4.02%%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 22.22%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 71.03%

Aunt:

African: 0.26%
Asian: 1.20%%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 3.79%%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 22.82%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 71.36%

[MfA_]

African: 0%
Asian: 9.58%
Arctic: 0.73%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 5.49%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 15.83%
Hattians, Kura-Araxes, Early Mesopotamian city-states, Proto-Anatolians: 68.38%


Ancient DNA will tell us one day whether these assumptions are correct. However, please note that the new component names won't be relevant for everyone. For instance, if you're from East Africa or Turkey, then the Caucasus-like admixture you score won't be due to LBK farmers, because they were based in Western and Central Europe.

[Jackson]

Me:

African: 0.71%
Asian: 1.24%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 9.06%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 25.52%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 63.48%

Father:

African: 0%
Asian: 2.26%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 4.83%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 27.50%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 65.40%

Grandfather:

African: 0%
Asian: 2.11%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 5.64%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 25.30%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 66.96%

Grandmother:

African: 0%
Asian: 1.15%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 5.22%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 28.38
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 65.25%

Mother:

African: 0.28%
Asian: 1.03%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 11.47%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 25.51
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 61.71

Aunt:

African: 0.24%
Asian: 2.27%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 6.43%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 27.33%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 63.73%

[Mazik]

Me:

African: 0.44%
Asian: 6.16%
Arctic: 0.37%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 2.98%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 16.94%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 73.12%


My grandpa

African: 0.89%
Asian: 8.01%
Arctic: 1.16%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 1.45%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 15.61%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 72.89%

[Sea Warrior]

My results:

African: 0%
Asian(Siberian): 0.82%
Linearbandkeramik(LBK): 7.25%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 25.13%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 66.80%

[Atlantic Islander]

Mine:

Arctic: 0.55%
Asian: 0.78%
African: 2.09%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 15.42%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 39.46%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 41.70%

[Patches]

Mine:
African: 0.92%
Arctic: 0.20%
Asian: 2.18%
Linearbandkeramik (LBK): 5.94%
Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB): 26.99%
Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker: 63.76%

[ZephyrousMandaru]

0.00% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker

75.33% Linearbandkeramik (LBK) (Of course, I'm not a descendant of LBK, since this data is based on Central and Western Europeans, who inherited this admixture from my predecessors)

21.30% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) (Same difference here as with Linearbandkermik)

3.13% South Asian

0.00% North Amerindian + Arctic

0.00% Siberian

0.00% East Asian

0.25% West African

[MfA_]

75.33% Linearbandkeramik (LBK) (Of course, I'm not a descendant of LBK, since this data is based on Central and Western Europeans, who inherited this admixture from my predecessors)


http://abload.de/img/hapmap_zpse94860b22xalv.png

I think Hattians, Kura-Araxes, Early Mesopotamian city-states, Proto-Anatolians instead of LBK is reasonable..

[evon]

http://abload.de/img/hapmap_zpse94860b22xalv.png

I think Hattians, Kura-Araxes, Early Mesopotamian city-states, Proto-Anatolians instead of LBK is reasonable..

I dont think its applicable to non-Europeans...

[Oneeye]

Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker - 62.66%

Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) - 26.01%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK) - 8.92%

North Amerindian + Arctic - 1.62%

South Asian - 0.79%

[Mark]

My results:

Linearbandkeramik (LBK) = 45.38%

Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) = 30.77%

Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker = 21.69%

West African = 1.21%
East Asian = 0.62%
Siberian = 0.32%

[Black Wolf]

Here are my own and my family member`s results.

Me:

60.04% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
21.17% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
11.20% LBK
3.40% Southwest Asian
2.42% Siberian
0.66% South Asian
0.73% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.12% West African
0.26% East Asian

Father:

49.58% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
20.50% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
16.68% LBK
6.80% Southwest Asian
4.20% Siberian
1.07% South Asian
1.17% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.00% West African
0.00% East Asian

Mother:

67.92% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
24.21% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
6.92% LBK
0.00% Southwest Asian
0.44% Siberian
0.00% South Asian
0.51% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.00% West African
0.00% East Asian


Paternal Grandfather:

18.97% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
32.28% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
32.54% LBK
15.78% Southwest Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South Asian
0.00% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.43% West African
0.00% East Asian

Brother:

58.40% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
21.74% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
12.20% LBK
4.03% Southwest Asian
2.37% Siberian
0.00% South Asian
0.97% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.00% West African
0.30% East Asian

Aunt (Mother`s Sister):

68.07% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
23.89% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
6.64% LBK
0.59% Southwest Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.06% South Asian
0.38% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.39% West African
0.00% East Asian


Uncle (Father`s Brother):

50.94% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
20.02% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
16.23% LBK
7.32% Southwest Asian
3.54% Siberian
0.08% South Asian
1.27% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.08% West African
0.52% East Asian


Great Uncle (Maternal Grandmother`s Brother):

63.60% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
26.26% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
6.25% LBK
2.58% Southwest Asian
0.36% Siberian
0.95% South Asian
0.00% North Amerindian+Arctic
0.00% West African
0.00% East Asian

[Damião de Góis]

What the hell, i need to create a login for gedmatch now?

[evon]

What the hell, i need to create a login for gedmatch now?

Yes, its to make it more personal and secure...

[Sicilianu101]

http://abload.de/img/hapmap_zpse94860b22xalv.png

47.52% Linearbandkeramik (LBK)
34.77% Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)
15.84% Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker
1.87% West African

Not sure how accurate this is for Sicilian/Mediterranean members but thought I'd post it anyway

[Sikeliot]

Not sure how accurate this is for Sicilian/Mediterranean members but thought I'd post it anyway

It might have been thousands of years ago but A LOT has changed since genetically.

[Graham]

Yes, its to make it more personal and secure...

It has made the process of uploading Raw data, far easier. Also you don't have to write your code down anymore.

Two issues resolved. :)

[galychanyn]

Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker - 62.31%

Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) - 20.73%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK) - 15.2%

East Asian - 1.37%

West African - 0,16%

North Amerindian + Arctic - 0.12%

Siberian - 0,1%

My East Asian component is very interesting. Usually in Eastern and Central Europe it is accompanied by even greater (usually 2 times) Siberian component and is the legacy of nomadic Medieval tribes like Hunns, Avars, etc. In my case there is a marked absence of Siberian component in most calculators and a tangible presence of East Asian component (1-1,5%). What can it be put down to? Any ideas?

[noricum]

Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker 65.39%

Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) 22.09%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK) 10.94%

South Asian 1.37%

Siberian 0.21%

[MfA_]

Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker - 62.31%

Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) - 20.73%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK) - 15.2%

East Asian - 1.37%

West African - 0,16%

North Amerindian + Arctic - 0.12%

Siberian - 0,1%

My East Asian component is very interesting. Usually in Eastern and Central Europe it is accompanied by even greater (usually 2 times) Siberian component and is the legacy of nomadic Medieval tribes like Hunns, Avars, etc. In my case there is a marked absence of Siberian component in most calculators and a tangible presence of East Asian component (1-1,5%). What can it be put down to? Any ideas?

it is more likely a recent admixture than say the time of Huns-Avars, maybe a Tatar..

[galychanyn]

it is more likely a recent admixture than say the time of Huns-Avars, maybe a Tatar..
But wouldn't I have much more Siberian component in this case?
I was thinking about this as a reason:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/09/unexpected-ancient-mtdna-from-neolithic.html

[Patches]

Edit

[7eleven]

Paternal Phased EuTest

1 80.1% South_&_Central_Swedish + 19.9% Druze @ 7.93
2 79.9% NO + 20.1% Druze @ 7.94
3 69.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 30.6% AJ @ 8.58
4 69.2% North_Swedish + 30.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 8.59
5 79.5% South_&_Central_Swedish + 20.5% Assyrian @ 8.61
6 71.9% South_&_Central_Swedish + 28.1% GR @ 8.62
7 79.3% NO + 20.7% Assyrian @ 8.64
8 81.8% DK + 18.2% Druze @ 8.65
9 71.1% South_&_Central_Swedish + 28.9% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 8.67
10 69.3% NO + 30.7% AJ @ 8.71
11 71.9% NO + 28.1% GR @ 8.72
12 81% South_&_Central_Swedish + 19% Samaritan @ 8.72
13 79.1% NO + 20.9% IQ @ 8.78
14 80.2% South_&_Central_Swedish + 19.8% Mandean @ 8.79
15 80.9% NO + 19.1% Samaritan @ 8.79
16 79.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 20.7% IQ @ 8.8
17 80.1% NO + 19.9% Mandean @ 8.8
18 62.5% North_Swedish + 37.5% Tuscan @ 8.82
19 76.5% South_&_Central_Swedish + 23.5% TR @ 8.83
20 70.4% North_Swedish + 29.6% GR @ 8.84

[xajapa]

Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker - 62.31%

Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB) - 20.73%

Linearbandkeramik (LBK) - 15.2%

East Asian - 1.37%

West African - 0,16%

North Amerindian + Arctic - 0.12%

Siberian - 0,1%

My East Asian component is very interesting. Usually in Eastern and Central Europe it is accompanied by even greater (usually 2 times) Siberian component and is the legacy of nomadic Medieval tribes like Hunns, Avars, etc. In my case there is a marked absence of Siberian component in most calculators and a tangible presence of East Asian component (1-1,5%). What can it be put down to? Any ideas?


it is more likely a recent admixture than say the time of Huns-Avars, maybe a Tatar..
I agree with MfA's assessment.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Dendogram of populations, based on the EUTest.

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k573/maurimy/tree1.gif

[Mazik]

New blog update:

Eurogenes K19 "post-Neolithic" ancestry test (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/eurogenes-k19-recent-ancestry-test.html)

[MfA_]

My K19 results:

East_Mediterranean - 41.94%
Transcaucasian - 30.21%
South_Central_Asian - 20.40%
Italian - 7.25%
Amerindian - 0.18%

[7eleven]

My K19 results:

North Sea - 33.98%
Iberian - 26.83%
Italian - 20.29%
East Mediterranean - 12.45%
South Central Asian - 3.52%
Middle Eastern - 1.95%
East African- 0.89%
West African - 0.06%

[Jackson]

Interesting. I can't get results to post though.

[Roy]

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/spectator000/Clipboard01-6_zps194cd83b.jpg

North European > Corded Ware, Single Grave, Battle Axe, Unetice and/or Bohemian Bell Beaker

Mediterranean > Impressed Ware, Cardial Ware, Maritime Bell Beaker and/or Funnelbeaker (TRB)

Caucasus & Southwest Asian > Linearbandkeramik (LBK)



You scored very high on North European component.

[Jackson]

Here are my K19 results - It picks up the Italian-like ancestry (unknown though) very clearly. It's quite a sensitive test which is really useful:

North Sea - 42.36%
Western European - 31.45%
Italian - 25.95%
West African - 2.18%

All others 0%

[xajapa]

My K19 results:

North Sea - 33.98%
Iberian - 26.83%
Italian - 20.29%
East Mediterranean - 12.45%
South Central Asian - 3.52%
Middle Eastern - 1.95%
East African- 0.89%
West African - 0.06%
You have a reading under a good number of components, maybe more so than any other. Interesting.

[Damião de Góis]

I was included too :D

Iberian 39.7%
Western European 30.6%
Italian 19.8%
North African 8.6%
Middle Eastern 0.24%
Oceanian 0.6%
West African 0.17%

Rest 0%

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Eurogenes K19

ASY13

Transcaucasian 31.5%
Western European 0%
Middle Eastern 9.4%
South_Baltic 0%
Balkan 0%
South_Asian 0%
Amerindian 0%
Eastern_European 0%
North_Asia 0%
South_Central_Asian 5.7%
East_Mediterranean 53.1%
East_African 0%
North_African 0%
North_Sea 0%
Oceanian 0%
Southeast_Asian 0%
Iberian 0%
Italian 0%
West_African 0%

[Damião de Góis]

By the way here are the references used:

Transcaucasian - Abhkasians and Georgians
Western_European - Western British and selected French
Middle_Eastern - selected Bedouins and Saudis
South_Baltic - Lithuanians and selected Belorussians
Balkan - Bulgarians and Romanians
South_Asian - selected South Indians
Amerindian - selected Central and South Americans
Eastern_European - Erzya, Moksha and selected Russians
North_Asian - Evenkis, Dolgans, Nganassans and Yakuts
South_Central_Asian - selected Pakistanis
East_Mediterranean - Cypriots and Lebanese Christians
East_African - Maasai
North_African - Moroccans and Mozabite Berbers
North_Sea - selected Utah Americans and Finns
Oceanian - Papuans
Southeast_Asian - South Han Chinese and Vietnamese
Iberian - Spaniards
Italian - Tuscans
West_African - Yorubans and Mandenkas

[Jackson]

Weird that i share more with some Americans and Finns than people in my Island, although it is pretty sensitive if you have some foreign admixture i guess, like the Italian in my case.

[sgc2009]

My mother's K19 results:

North Sea: 41.01%
Western European: 31.2%
Balkan: 25.31%
Eastern European: 2.47%

[Kazimiera]

Where does one get this K19? It isn't on Gedmatch. Or am I looking wrong?

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Where does one get this K19? It isn't on Gedmatch. Or am I looking wrong?

Unlike previous analyses, the ancestral clusters in Eurogenes K19 are not based on allele frequencies. But directly drawn from samples in the spreadsheet. If you want to be included in the test, you'll have to ask Polako/Davidski. Assuming you've already joined the Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project.

On a side note, I think my East_Mediterranean is subtracting most of my "Middle_Eastern".

[Kazimiera]

Unlike previous analyses, the ancestral clusters in Eurogenes K19 are not based on allele frequencies. But directly drawn from samples in the spreadsheet. If you want to be included in the test, you'll have to ask Polako/Davidski. Assuming you've already joined the Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project.

On a side note, I think my East_Mediterranean is subtracting most of my "Middle_Eastern".

No. Not in the project. Whenever I look submissions are closed. :(

[ZephyrousMandaru]

No. Not in the project. Whenever I look submissions are closed. :(

You could at least try and ask him to include you. You never know, maybe he will.