Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Pallantides]

In regards to the absurdly high Southwest Asian in Finns, maybe Finland got a visit from Arab merchants :D

[Pallantides]

North Atlantic 44.09%
North-Central European 38.2%
Baltic 15.13%
Southern European 1.85%
East Asian 0.7%
West African 0.00%

[Pallantides]

North Atlantic 44.09%
North-Central European 38.2%
Baltic 15.13%
Southern European 1.85%
East Asian 0.7%
West African 0.00%

I have the second highest North Atlantic score after NO4 who is a West Norwegian, I also have the lowest 'Southern European' score

NO3

North-Central European 81.12%
North Atlantic 8.14%
Baltic 6.77%
Southern European 3.89%
East Asian 0.06%
West African 0.00%

NO4

North Atlantic 48.57%
North-Central European 39.95%
Baltic 6.67%
Southern European 3.69%
East Asian 1.09%
West African 0.00%

NO5

North-Central European 48.09%
North Atlantic 39.76%
Baltic 8.04%
Southern European 3.86%
East Asian 0.23%
West African 0.00%

NO6

North-Central European 46.15%
North Atlantic 33.9%
Baltic 15.55%
Southern European 3.67%
East Asian 0.71%
West African 0.00%

NO7

North-Central European 43.7%
North Atlantic 30.66%
Baltic 19.81%
Southern European 4.5%
East Asian 1.3%
West African 0.00%

NO8

North-Central European 46.31
North Atlantic 36.65%
Baltic 13.36%
Southern European 2.65%
East Asian 1.01%
West African 0.00%

NO9

North-Central European 50.59%
North Atlantic 37.37%
Baltic 7.9%
Southern European 4.08%
East Asian 0.03%
West African 0.00%

NO10

North-Central European 49.58%
North Atlantic 29.04%
Baltic 18.12%
Southern European 3.13%
East Asian 0.11%
West African 0.00%

NO11

North-Central European 44.78%
North Atlantic 38.55%
Baltic 12.8%
Southern European 3.38%
East Asian 0.47%
West African 0.00%

[Barreldriver]

This is what I scored for the K=10 (WE.10.Q):

3.4043% Southwest Asian
0.0509% Sub-Saharan African
0.001% South Asian
0.001% East African
0.001% North Asian
0.001% East Asian
7.1869% West Central Asian
29.4315% Baltic
53.2138% Western European
6.7084% Caucasus

[Pallantides]

Western European 46.5%
Baltic 44.24%
West Central Asian 8.11%
North Asian 1.08%
East Asian 0.04%
Southwest Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
East African 0.00%
Caucasus 0.00%


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Western European - ES, BAS, French-Basque, FR, Cornwall, UK
Baltic - LIT, RU, BY, Vologda-Russian,
West Central Asian - Balochi, Makrani, Brahui
North Asian - Nganassan, Evenk, Yukagir, Dolgan, Yakut

[Pallantides]

In recent years, several archaeological finds indicate a Sami presence in Southern Norway in the Middle Ages, and Southern Sweden, including finds in Lesja, in Vang in Valdres and in Hol and Ål in Hallingdal. Proponents of the Sami interpretations of these finds assume a mixed population of Norse and Sami people in the mountainous areas of Southern Norway in the Middle Ages.


Could this explain the North Asian scores of some South Norwegians?

NO2 - 1.08%
NO3 - 1.29%
NO5 -1.15%
NO7 - 1.94%
NO8 - 1.24%

Also NO4 who is from Western Norway is 1.04% East Asian.


'North Asian' and 'East Asian' is pretty much absent in the Danish participants.

[Scrapple]

Baltic 0.516044
Western European 0.26675
Southwest Asian 0.093097
West Central Asian 0.067959
Caucasus 0.055166
North Asian 0.000944
Sub-Saharan African 0.00001
South Asian 0.00001
East African 0.00001
East Asian 0.00001

[Graham]

56.13% Western European
31.84% Baltic
10.46% West Central Asian
01.57% Southwest Asian
00.00% Sub-Saharan African
00.00% South Asian
00.00% East African
00.00% North Asian
00.00% East Asian
00.00% Caucasus

[orangepulp]

K=10 From highest to low:

Caucasus: 54.96%
Southwest Asian: 19.41%
West central Asian: 9.08%
West European: 8.21%
North Asian: 3.74%
Baltic: 2.58%
East Asian: 1.63%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.00%
East African: 0.00%
South Asian: 0.00%

[StonyArabia]

Sub-Saharan 1.9%
Baltic 1.9%
Siberian 1.536%
SouthWest Asian 26.1468%
South Asian 2.288%
East African 1.4397%
South Central Asian 9.5171%
South East Asian 0%
Med 17.1384%
East Asian 0.2481%
Caucasian 37.33763%
Western European 0

[Padre Organtino]

According to West Eurasian K=12 Jews have no SW Asian but instead some South-Central Asian and are predominantely Med.

I smell a fuck up:rolleyes2:

[Pallantides]

What are you talking about, the Jews do have Southwest Asian...
http://i.imgur.com/1xAm7.jpg

ops sorry that was K=10

[Padre Organtino]

What are you talking about, the Jews do have Southwest Asian...
http://i.imgur.com/1xAm7.jpg

That's K=10 where this SW Asian is basically a mix of true SW one with Med. Now check out the link to K=12 study Humanophage has provided:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdDVKM2Zfdk16R2xYQW9MdlR1dm43Umc#gid=2

[Pallantides]

Yeah I just realised, I mixed them up sorry.

[Loki]

47.46 Western European
28.90 Baltic
08.15 West Central Asian
06.94 Southwest Asian
04.72 Caucasus
02.22 Sub-Saharan African
01.59 East Asian
00.01 South Asian
00.00 East African
00.00 North Asian

[Humanophage]

Ethnic averages for WE.10.Q: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdDBmWUItdTFrOEMzMzdpWDhmbVlMTmc

RU44
Baltic 75.62%
Caucasus 7.56%
Southwest Asian 6.57%
Western European 6.54%
South Asian 2.07%
North Asian 1.33%
West Central Asian 0.30%
East African 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%

My giant Baltic (the 40th highest in the project of 2069 people) soaks up all my Western European, it seems, but some remains still:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/RussianDiversity.jpg

I also have the 3rd lowest Mongoloid (North + East Asian) among the 44 Russians.

[Padre Organtino]

The averages for WE.10.Q: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdDBmWUItdTFrOEMzMzdpWDhmbVlMTmc

Baltic 75.62%
Caucasus 7.56%
Southwest Asian 6.57%
Western European 6.54%
South Asian 2.07%
North Asian 1.33%
West Central Asian 0.30%
East African 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%

My giant Baltic (the 40th highest in the project of 2069 people) soaks up all my Western European, it seems, but some remains still:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/RussianDiversity.jpg

I also have the 3rd lowest Mongoloid (North + East Asian) among the 44 Russians.

From the pics of yours I've seen this corresponds well with your phenotype IMO

[Pallantides]

K=11

Western European 46.42%
Baltic 44.23%
West Central Asian 8.13%
North Asian 1.03%
Southeast Asian 0.16%
East Asian 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan 0.00%
Caucasus 0.00%
Southwest Asian 0.00%
East African 0.00%


Not so different from my K=10 results.

[orangepulp]

ADMIXTURE analysis of West Eurasia - K=12 run (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k12.html)

My K=12 results:

Me, Average Turk, Average Armenian

Caucasus: 49.27% 38.01% 48.73%
Mediterranean: 22.74% 25.32% 25.47%
Southwest Asian: 9.41% 9.82% 12.61%
Westcentral Asian: 7.77% 9.73% 10.94%
North Atlantic: 3.77% 3.66% 0.89%
East Asian: 3.06% 2.07% 0.04%
North Asian: 2.29% 3.38% 0.01%
Baltic: 1.59% 6.11% 1.08%
East African: 0.03% 0.21% 0.02%
Sub-Sahran: 0.00% 0.22% 0.00%
South Asian: 0.00% 0.92% 0.19%
Southeast Asian: 0.00% 0.55% 0.02%

[Loki]

My K=12:


43.87 North Atlantic
32.54 Mediterranean
12.80 Baltic
4.99 West Central Asian
2.05 Sub-Saharan
1.73 Caucasus
1.67 Southeast Asian
0.34 East African
0.00 East Asian
0.00 South Asian
0.00 North Asian
0.00 Southwest Asian

[Padre Organtino]

According to this new run Ashkenazis are European genetically. At least on par with Italians and Greeks.

[Dr. van Winkle]

According to this new run Ashkenazis are European genetically. At least on par with Italians and Greeks.

Religious Jews regard Israel as their homeland. They don't consider themselves of European origin. And I think some Jews would laugh at you for making the assertion that they are European.

[Padre Organtino]

Religious Jews regard Israel as their homeland. They don't consider themselves of European origin. And I think some Jews would laugh at you for making the assertion that they are European.

Nah, I was making a comment purely on genetics. How they see themselves is of course a totally different matter.

BTW Caucasus seems to be a true genetic isolate. Especially the Northern one.

[Graham]

UK19

67.36% North Atlantic
24.37% Mediterranean
03.75% Baltic
02.26% Southwest Asian
02.25% West Central Asian
00.00% Caucasus
00.00% Southeast Asian
00.00% East African
00.00% East Asian
00.00% South Asian
00.00% North Asian
00.00% Sub-Saharan

[poiuytrewq0987]

Baltic: 37.02%
Mediterranean: 30.97%
Caucasian: 14.81%
North Atlantic: 09.86%
East Asian: 01.44%
Southwest Asian: 00.43%
West Central Asian: 00.09%
North Asian: 00.05%

[Pallantides]

North Atlantic 66.52%
Mediterranean 15.32%
Baltic 14.98%
Caucasus 1.84%
North Asian 0.71%
Southeast Asian 0.6%
Southwest Asian 0.00%
West Central Asian 0.00%
East African 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%

[zlakopistou]

Baltic: 37.02%
Mediterranean: 30.97%
Caucasian: 14.81%
North Atlantic: 09.86%
East Asian: 01.44%
Southwest Asian: 00.43%
West Central Asian: 00.09%
North Asian: 00.05%

WOW, what is your ancestry?

[Humanophage]

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[Humanophage]

Ethnic averages for WE.12.Q: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdEljNE4wNGp5azVzY183WUNJZm5NdHc

RU44 (compared to average Russian)
Baltic 74.94% (4.77%)
Mediterranean 10.92% (-0.34%)
North Atlantic 5.22% (-1.14%)
Caucasus 3.83% (0.08%)
South Asian 2.02% (1.48%)
Southwest Asian 1.60% (-0.05%)
North Asian 0.96% (-2.07%)
West Central Asian 0.39% (-1.98%)
East Asian 0.12% (-0.45%)
Sub-Saharan 0.00% (0%)
East African 0.00% (0%)
Southeast Asian 0.00% (-0.29%)


According to this new run Ashkenazis are European genetically. At least on par with Italians and Greeks.
Why according to the new run? They've been like that on all runs and maps. Like this: http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5977/weunov011.png

Say, on Dodecad Ashkenazi have a slightly higher Southwest Asian than Greeks and a slightly lower North European, same as here. Ashkenazi also have a considerably higher Southwest Asian than any Italians.

[Pallantides]

NO2+(Norwegian average)

North Atlantic 66.52% (63.82%)
Mediterranean 15.32% (16.62%)
Baltic 14.98% (14.41%)
Caucasus 1.84% (1.36%)
North Asian 0.71%(0.75%)
Southeast Asian 0.6%(0.15%)
Southwest Asian 0.00%(2.09%)
West Central Asian 0.00%(0.56%)
South Asian 0.00%(0.05%)
East Asian 0.00%(0.2%)
East African 0.00%(0.00%)
Sub-Saharan 0.00%(0.00%)

[Barreldriver]

US83:

0.3274% East Asian
28.8937% Mediterranean
0.1466% Sub-Saharan African
0.001% South Asian
0.001% North Asian
0.001% East African
5.9091% Caucasus
57.7233% North Atlantic
0.1853% West Central Asian
0.5451% Southwest Asian
6.2655% Baltic
0.001% Southeast Asian

[orangepulp]

ADMIXTURE analysis of West Eurasia - K=13 run (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k13.html)


West-Eurasia K=13

Caucasus: 49.13%
Mediterranean: 23.01%
Southwest Asian:9.20%
West Central Asian: 7.69%
East Central Asian: 4.84%
North Atlantic: 3.45%
Baltic: 1.95%
North Asian: 0.61%
East African: 0.08%
Sub-Saharan: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.00%
South Asian: 0.00%

My East Asian transferred to East Central Asian and my North Asian reduced.

[Pallantides]

North Atlantic 67.03%
Baltic 15.01%
Mediterranean 14.59%
Caucasus 2.01%
East Central Asian 0.92%
North Asian 0.4%
South Asian 0.00%
Southwest Asian 0.00%
West Central Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
East African 0.00%
Sub-Saharan 0.00%

[Barreldriver]

US83 - Almost everything remained the same between runs, the differences being the East Asian disappeared (possibly into East Central Asian?) and a little bit of Southwest Asian disappeared (possibly into East Central Asian?). My SSA has been a bit elevated in comparison to others of a British Isle's background between the last few runs.

5.9588% Caucasus
28.3495% Mediterranean
58.0169% North Atlantic
0.1326% Sub-Saharan African
0.001% East African
0.001% East Asian
0.4798% East Central Asian
0.001% Southeast Asian
0.1397% West Central Asian
0.4876% Southwest Asian
0.001% South Asian
6.4299% Baltic
0.001% North Asian

[Graham]

Here's mine, looking good.


UK19 K=13

68.14% North Atlantic....(British average 63.7%, Irish average 67.5%)
23.42% Mediterranean...(British average 25.8%, Irish average 23.5%)

03.67% Baltic..................(British average 5%, Irish average 2.6%)
02.47% West Central Asian(British average 1.7%, Irish average 2.2%)
02.29% Southwest Asian...(British average 0.7%, Irish average 0.5%)
00.00% Caucasus.............(British average 2.5%, Irish average 3.1%)

00.00% Sub Saharan(British average 0.002%, Irish average 0.001%)
00.00% East African(British average 0.002%, Irish average 0.001%)
00.00% East Asian(British average 0.001%, Irish average 0.006%)
00.00% E. Cent Asian(British average 0.004%, Irish average 0.005%)
00.00% S. East Asian(British average 0.004%, Irish average 0.001%)
00.00% South Asian(British average 0.1%, Irish average 0.1%)
00.00% North Asian(British average 0.003%, Irish average 0.1%)

[poiuytrewq0987]

K13

Baltic: 37.01%
Mediterranean: 31.29%
Caucasian: 14.62%
North Atlantic: 09.78%
Southwest Asian: 04.18%
East Central Asian: 01.27%
West Central Asian: 00.97%
East Asian: 00.64%
North Asian: 00.13%
Sub-Saharan: 00.04%

[orangepulp]

ADMIXTURE analysis of West Eurasia - K=14 run (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k14.html)

WE K=14

Caucasus: 37.33%
Mediterranean: 24.18%
West Central Asian: 20.35%
Southwest Asian: 8.56%
East Asian: 3.02%
North Atlantic: 2.25%
North Asian: 2.12%
Baltic: 1.09%
South Central Asian: 0.66%
Northeast African: 0.40%
South Asian: 0.00%
Sub-Saharan: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.00%
East African: 0.00%


Quoting from ABF, if any of you want to try it:

I wrote an Excel file to calculate the distance similar to my previous files that I posted here (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=25120) and here (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=25151) and here (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?p=617576#post617576) and here (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?p=697959#post697959).

I used the K13 results of the Eurogenes Ancestry Project and the Fst distances between the components that were provided by Polako here (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2041/we13fst.png/).

If you want to do it yourself...
1. Log into your gmail account.
2. Download file here (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwVZU9mN1R6lbXVISXM3ZU5TUVM3M05LQndKTWswZ w).
3. Open Excel file, enable Macro.
4. Paste your Eurogenes K13 results in Sheet "Paste here!" in cells B2 to N2
5. Go to "Tools", go to "Macro", go to "Macros", go to "Run".
6. Calculated TOP100 results appear in Sheet "Paste here!"
7. Enjoy!
Note: Do not change anything in the two sheets of the file if you do not understand Excel.
This is what I got, I have lots of Armenian matches.

Orangepulp:


ID Ethnicity Normal Distance Adjusted Distance
TR21 TR21 0,0 0,0
AM AM102Y 7,3 7,6
AM AM106Y 7,8 8,0
AM GSM536829 7,7 8,0
AM AM293Y 7,6 8,1
AM GSM536835 7,8 8,1
GE4 GE4 8,3 8,6
AM GSM536824 9,2 9,2
AM1 AM1 8,8 9,3
AM GSM536834 9,2 9,4
AM GSM536817 9,1 9,4
AM GSM536819 9,1 9,5
AM AM86Y 9,5 9,6
AM GSM536820 9,4 9,6
AM AM36Y 9,4 9,7
AM AM162Y 9,7 9,8
TR7 TR7 10,5 9,9
AM GSM536825 9,7 9,9
AM AM191Y 10,0 9,9
TR GSM536794 9,8 10,0
AM GSM536818 10,3 10,1

# Distance Population1 %Pop1 Population2 %Pop2
1 3,1 AM 56,5% TR 43,5%
2 3,2 AM 51,8% TR 48,2%
3 3,3 TR2 58,5% GE 41,5%
4 3,3 AM 74,6% Nogay 25,4%
5 3,4 TR2 57,7% GE 42,3%
6 3,4 AM1 76,5% Nogay 23,5%
7 3,5 AM 75,1% Nogay 24,9%
8 3,5 AM 75,9% Nogay 24,1%
9 3,5 AM1 74,2% Nogay 25,8%
10 3,6 AM1 73,1% Kumyk 26,9%

[poiuytrewq0987]

Yayy another run! :clap:

K14

Baltic: 35.57%
Mediterranean: 30.87%
North Atlantic: 11.87%
West Central Asian: 09.93%
Caucasian: 07.74%
Southwest Asian: 01.97%
East Asian: 01.37%
North Asian: 00.34%
East Asian: 00.13%
Northeast African: 00.13%
Sub-Saharan: 00.09%

My Baltic score went down slightly by 2%-, Mediterranean score remained pretty much the same, North Atlantic jumped by 4%-, Caucasian score noticeably went down by 4-5%, West Central Asian jumped by 9% compared to last two K runs.

[Pallantides]

Pallantides:


TOP100 (all)
# ID Ethnicity Normal Distance Adjusted Distance
1 NO2 NO2 0,0 0,0
2 NO10 NO10 3,5 3,3
3 NO8 NO8 4,1 3,8
4 SE10 SE10 5,1 5,1
5 CEU NA12003 5,5 5,4
6 NO3 NO3 5,9 5,6
7 NO11 NO11 6,1 5,9
8 SE29 SE29 6,7 6,5
9 SE17 SE17 6,8 6,5
10 DE17 DE17 7,0 6,8
11 SE22 SE22 7,2 7,0
12 NO5 NO5 7,4 7,1
13 SE26 SE26 7,9 7,4
14 CEU NA07345 7,8 7,4
15 SE13 SE13 8,0 7,6
16 NO4 NO4 8,0 7,6
17 NO9 NO9 8,0 7,7
18 SE23 SE23 8,2 7,8
19 SE2 SE2 8,2 8,0
20 DK5 DK5 8,3 8,1
21 SE5 SE5 8,7 8,2
22 SE8 SE8 9,1 8,6
23 SE21 SE21 9,2 8,7
24 IS1 IS1 9,3 9,0
25 CEU NA12776 9,4 9,0
26 CEU NA12875 9,5 9,1
27 NO6 NO6 10,1 9,6
28 NL1 NL1 10,1 9,8
29 SENO2 SENO2 10,0 9,8
30 NL6 NL6 10,6 10,0
31 DE24 DE24 10,7 10,2
32 CEU NA12154 10,9 10,5
33 SE6 SE6 11,0 10,6
34 DK3 DK3 11,0 10,7
35 SE19 SE19 11,5 11,0
36 Kent HG00160 11,6 11,2
37 SE11 SE11 11,9 11,3
38 IE7 IE7 11,6 11,3
39 Orcadian HG00097 11,6 11,3
40 NL2 NL2 11,6 11,6
41 Kent HG00136 12,0 11,6
42 SW_Scot HG00105 12,0 11,6
43 UK32 UK32 11,9 11,7
44 IE4 IE4 12,2 11,8
45 NO7 NO7 12,7 12,0
46 Orcadian HGDP00802 12,5 12,0
47 DK2 DK2 12,3 12,1
48 Kent HG00158 12,7 12,3
49 IE21 IE21 13,2 12,3
50 SE14 SE14 12,7 12,3
51 SE15 SE15 12,7 12,4
52 WEUFI1 WEUFI1 13,1 12,5
53 CEU NA12057 13,0 12,6
54 Kent HG00148 13,0 12,6
55 CEU NA12891 13,2 12,6
56 CEU NA12249 13,5 12,7
57 CEU NA12716 13,0 12,8
58 Orcadian HGDP00796 13,2 12,8
59 NL5 NL5 13,4 12,8
60 UK36 UK36 13,4 12,9
61 US258 US258 13,2 12,9
62 CEU NA12044 13,3 12,9
63 DE19 DE19 13,2 13,0
64 Cornwall HG00256 13,2 13,0
65 US180 US180 13,3 13,0
66 BE1 BE1 13,5 13,1
67 SW_Scot HG00103 13,3 13,1
68 UK20 UK20 14,0 13,2
69 UKUS1 UKUS1 13,6 13,3
70 Kent HG00150 13,5 13,3
71 Kent HG00135 13,6 13,3
72 CEU NA07000 13,8 13,4
73 US255 US255 14,0 13,5
74 SE7 SE7 14,2 13,5
75 US34 US34 14,1 13,6
76 Orcadian HG00120 14,0 13,7
77 CA4 CA4 13,9 13,7
78 CEU NA12348 14,4 13,7
79 SE1 SE1 14,6 13,8
80 UK15 UK15 14,3 13,9
81 Cornwall HG00260 14,3 13,9
82 IE11 IE11 14,4 13,9
83 CEU NA12248 14,8 13,9
84 UK11 UK11 14,3 13,9
85 DK4 DK4 14,7 14,0
86 NOUK1 NOUK1 14,4 14,0
87 Kent HG00137 14,4 14,0
88 UK26 UK26 14,3 14,1
89 IE17 IE17 14,9 14,1
90 Orcadian HGDP00799 14,9 14,2
91 CEU NA12864 14,7 14,3
92 UK19 UK19 15,0 14,4
93 SE27 SE27 15,3 14,4
94 IE12 IE12 15,2 14,5
95 CEU NA12815 15,1 14,6
96 US133 US133 14,9 14,6
97 CEU NA10850 15,1 14,7
98 UK34 UK34 14,9 14,7
99 CEU NA12752 15,2 14,7
100 UK37 UK37 14,9 14,8

[Barreldriver]

Ran the humdinger for the K=13, must explain why I'm such a "Corn"y feller. :D

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/EurogenesK13ClosenessresultsUS83SethReeder1.jpg

[Graham]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21760&stc=1&d=1331137155
Any chance of running these through please :)? can't get it working, don't have excel.

Can see UK19 at #92 Pallantides. :D Barreldriver that's very southern English.

[Barreldriver]

Barreldriver that's very southern English.

I blame great gramammy. Even though my lineage is from Yorkshire we are heavily mixed with peoples from Hampshire and Suffolk, my great grandmother's family are half from Hampshire (Andover) the other half from Suffolk (Walsham le Willows) that added to the other non-Northern English families that got married in undoubtedly had some weight in the result.

[Graham]

I blame great gramammy. Even though my lineage is from Yorkshire we are heavily mixed with peoples from Hampshire and Suffolk, my great grandmother's family are half from Hampshire (Andover) the other half from Suffolk (Walsham le Willows) that added to the other non-Northern English families that got married in undoubtedly had some weight in the result.

Beorn is UK40 if I can remember correctly. He's from Bristol,also in the South West. In at number 27 in your list. I'd expect to see him there on your list. :)

[Barreldriver]

Beorn is UK40 if I can remember correctly. He's from Bristol,also in the South West. In at number 27 in your list. I'd expect to see him there on your list. :)

I and Beorn matched up on that pairwise coincidence matrix as well if I remember correctly. I would suspect a connection that Relative Finder missed, strangely I match up with Os (4th cousin) at Relative Finder but not on here. :p

[Graham]

Wey! got it working, but only done it more awkwardly. :D All Brits and Irish.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21761&stc=1&d=1331140697

[Pallantides]

Can see UK19 at #92 Pallantides.


Argyll won't like that... :D

[Graham]

Argyll won't like that... :D
Argyll would be near the top of the list, who I'd like to see do DNA testing.

23andme tests reveal ''Argyll you are a genetic Viking''. :D

[Loki]

K=14


49.67 North Atlantic
20.92 Mediterranean
12.67 Baltic
10.50 West Central Asian
2.23 South Central Asian
1.62 Southeast Asian
1.30 East African
1.08 Sub-Saharan
0.00 Southwest Asian
0.00 Caucasus
0.00 East Asian
0.00 North Asian
0.00 Northeast African
0.00 South Asian

[Damião de Góis]

K=14

North Atlantic 42.7%
Mediterranean 34.5%

Caucasus 7.4%
Baltic 6.9%

South Central Asian 4.3%
Northeast African 2%
Sub-Saharan 1.9%

Southeast Asian 0%
East African 0%
Southwest Asian 0%
East Asian 0%
North Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
West Central Asian 0%

[Trog]

Beorn is UK40 if I can remember correctly. He's from Bristol,also in the South West. In at number 27 in your list. I'd expect to see him there on your list. :)

I(UK39) don't seem to be feature near anyone of you UK peeps. If Loki orm someone can do a run and tell me who is my nearest genetic relative from here?

K=14

North Atlantic = 76%

I don't think I see anyone else higher than this???

Edit :( - there is. UK20 & UK21 - who are the bastards?

[Trog]

Wey! got it working, but only done it more awkwardly. :D All Brits and Irish.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21761&stc=1&d=1331140697

Oh nevermind, I see I'm there! Cheers, G.

[Osweo]

North Atlantic = 76%

I don't think I see anyone else higher than this???

Edit :( - there is. UK20 & UK21 - who are the bastards?

:eyes:

[Trog]

K=14

North Atlantic 42.7%
Mediterranean 34.5%

Caucasus 7.4%
Baltic 6.9%

South Central Asian 4.3%
Northeast African 2%
Sub-Saharan 1.9%

Southeast Asian 0%
East African 0%
Southwest Asian 0%
East Asian 0%
North Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
West Central Asian 0%


Seems your non-white is even greater than the Portuguese average.:eek: It's not far off 10% really.

[Damião de Góis]

Seems your non-white is even greater than the Portuguese average.:eek: It's not far off 10% really.

Yes, i'm not as white as the average portuguese...
Are you counting West Central Asian as non-white?

[Barreldriver]

Wey! got it working, but only done it more awkwardly. :D All Brits and Irish.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21761&stc=1&d=1331140697

Is that for the K=14?

[Trog]

Are you counting West Central Asian as non-white?

Not necessarily.

[Damião de Góis]

Not necessarily.

I meant south... but you can count west as well, since it's asian. Or maybe you meant Caucasus too?

Let's see what you got:

Southwest Asian 1.8%
West Central Asian 9.9%
Caucasus 4.7%

That adds up to about 15%. You should be proud :p

[Trog]

Oh so you want to play semantics now, cheeky!



West Central Asian and a South Central Asian!
http://gdb.rferl.org/94A5E5C4-C16D-4B97-BBB2-91374B743824_mw800_mh600.jpghttp://gdb.rferl.org/2A474D83-ADFE-4AEC-9848-C151513D65F8_mw800_mh600.jpg

[Pallantides]

K=14

North Atlantic 69.93%
Baltic 15.86%
West Central Asian 8.88%
Caucasus 4.03%
North Asian 0.67%
Southeast Asian 0.55%
Southwest Asian 0.03%
East African 0.00%
South Central Asian 0.00%
Mediterranean 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
Northeast African 0.00%
Sub-Sahran 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%

[orangepulp]

K=14b (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdFhfYnRSTEJTNExtOUt6dkRxaWNjU Hc#gid=0)

Highest to low

Component 13 –46.31% (GE, Abhasian)
Component 7 – 19.47 (Sardinian,FR,ES,BAS)
Component 6 – 10.42% (KSA,YJ,)
Component 14 –7.1% (Druze, ASY, KSA, IQJ, AM)
Component 9 – 6.61% (Balochi, Brahui, Sindhi, Makrani)
Component 3 – 2.99% (SE,IE,UK,Cornwall,NO,Orcadian)
Component 10 – 2.97% (JPT)
Component 8 – 2.29% (Nganassan, Evenk, Dolgan,Yukagir,Yakut)
Component 1 – 1.47%(LIT,RU,BY)
Component 4 – 0.23% (SO,Ethiopia,MKK)
Component 2 – 0.00% (Dai,CHD)
Component 5 – 0.00% (North Kannadi, Chamar, Pulliyar)
Component 11 – 0.00% (YRI, Mandenka)
Component 12 – 0.00% (LWK, Bantu, Sudanese)

[Anthropologique]

Oh so you want to play semantics now, cheeky!



West Central Asian and a South Central Asian!
http://gdb.rferl.org/94A5E5C4-C16D-4B97-BBB2-91374B743824_mw800_mh600.jpghttp://gdb.rferl.org/2A474D83-ADFE-4AEC-9848-C151513D65F8_mw800_mh600.jpg

The components mentioned are all identified as Asian, regardless of phenotype. There is significant diversity in western and central Asia. For example, Georgians run the gamut from rather European looking to Eurasian.

[Pallantides]

Oh so you want to play semantics now, cheeky!



West Central Asian and a South Central Asian!
http://gdb.rferl.org/94A5E5C4-C16D-4B97-BBB2-91374B743824_mw800_mh600.jpghttp://gdb.rferl.org/2A474D83-ADFE-4AEC-9848-C151513D65F8_mw800_mh600.jpg


The West Central Asian component have it's highest frequency in the Burusho not in Russians...
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/33400/048pict0082066.jpg

[Humanophage]

Ethnic averages for all ethnicities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdEtlemtMREE2bklKVzVxV2JrSkRGQVE

RU44
Balto-Slavic – 73.70%% (LIT,RU,BY)
Mediterranean – 11.03% (Sardinian,FR,ES,BAS)
North Atlantic – 4.37%% (SE,IE,UK,Cornwall,NO,Orcadian)
North Caucasus – 4.51% (GE, Abkhasian)
Arabian Peninsula – 2.36% (KSA,YJ,)
South Asia – 2.01% (North Kannadi, Chamar, Pulliyar)
Siberia – 0.98% (Nganassan, Evenk, Dolgan,Yukagir,Yakut)
Indus – 0.95% (Balochi, Brahui, Sindhi, Makrani)
Northeast Asia – 0.08% (JPT)
Mekong – 0.0% (Dai,CHD)
Mesopotamia – 0.0% (Druze, ASY, KSA, IQJ, AM)
East Africa – 0.0% (SO,Ethiopia,MKK)
Central Africa – 0.0% (LWK, Bantu, Sudanese)
West Africa – 0.000% (YRI, Mandenka)

[Loki]

Ethnic averages for all ethnicities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdEtlemtMREE2bklKVzVxV2JrSkRGQVE


What are some of those abbreviations? For example, what are Turkish and Armenian?

[orangepulp]

What are some of those abbreviations? For example, what are Turkish and Armenian?

TR is Turkish and AM is Armenian

[Loki]

And those components? :confused:

[orangepulp]

And those components? :confused:

I believe the components peak in the populations that are in the parenthesis

Component 1 – (LIT,RU,BY)
Component 2 – (Dai,CHD)
Component 3 – (SE,IE,UK,Cornwall,NO,Orcadian)
Component 4 – (SO,Ethiopia,MKK)
Component 5 – (North Kannadi, Chamar, Pulliyar)
Component 6 – (KSA,YJ,)
Component 7 –(Sardinian,FR,ES,BAS)
Component 8 – (Nganassan, Evenk, Dolgan,Yukagir,Yakut)
Component 9 – (Balochi, Brahui, Sindhi, Makrani)
Component 10 – (JPT)
Component 11 – (YRI, Mandenka)
Component 13 – (GE, Abhasian)
Component 12 – (LWK, Bantu, Sudanese)
Component 14 – (Druze, ASY, KSA, IQJ, AM)

[StonyArabia]

How could you read the components I am trying to find them but can't on the spread sheet.

[Humanophage]

What are some of those abbreviations? For example, what are Turkish and Armenian?
Well, the abbreviations are generally the same as here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2

Some of the names (especially for non-European ethnicities without states) come from projects, so you'll have to google them. Mixed people are labelled with several ethnicities. Say, UARUPL is Ukrainan/Russian/Polish.

TR = Turkish
AM = Armenian


How could you read the components I am trying to find them but can't on the spread sheet.
Polako decided not to give names to components this time. Just sort out by the component and you'll see what it represents. I've entered peaks for convenience.

[Pallantides]

Compenent 1 - 13.83% (LIT,RU,BY)
Component 2 – 0.57% (Dai,CHD)
Component 3 – 66.26% (SE,IE,UK,Cornwall,NO,Orcadian)
Component 4 – 0.00% (SO,Ethiopia,MKK)
Component 5 – 0.00% (North Kannadi, Chamar, Pulliyar)
Component 6 - 0.00% (KSA,YJ)
Component 7 - 13.48% (Sardinian,FR,ES,BAS)
Component 8 - 0.68% (Nganassan, Evenk, Dolgan,Yukagir,Yakut)
Component 9 - 0.00% (Balochi, Brahui, Sindhi, Makrani)
Component 10 - 0.00% (JPT)
Component 11 - 0.00% (YRI, Mandenka)
Component 12 - 0.00% (LWK, Bantu, Sudanese)
Component 13 - 0.63% (GE, Abhasian)
Component 14 - 4.58%(Druze, ASY, KSA, IQJ, AM)


Interesting that component 14 is 4.58%, I always tend to get 0% in Southwest Asian.

[Graham]

I(UK39) don't seem to be feature near anyone of you UK peeps. If Loki orm someone can do a run and tell me who is my nearest genetic relative from here?

K=14

North Atlantic = 76%

I don't think I see anyone else higher than this???

Edit :( - there is. UK20 & UK21 - who are the bastards?
That's your top matches. Wanted to see where I came. 20th top match to you. Osweo is UK20 :) Looks Celtic once again.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21952&stc=1&d=1331686451

[orangepulp]

ADMIXTURE analysis of West Eurasia - K=11b run (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/west-eurasian-admixture-analysis-k11b.html)

K=11b, from highest to low:

Caucasus: 53.89%
Southwest Asian: 17.90%
Atlantic-Med: 9.46%
West Central Asian: 9.21%
East Asian: 3.61%
Baltic: 2.74%
North Asian: 2.40%
East African: 0.07%
South Asian: 0.00%
West African: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.00%

[Barreldriver]

K11b/WE.11.Q (US83)

46.0166% Atlantic-Mediterranean
0.1145% South Asian
10.8976% West Central Asian
32.6077% Baltic
0.429% West African
6.7371% Caucasus
2.5397% Southwest Asian
0.001% North Asian
0.6549% East Asian
0.001% Southeast Asian
0.001% East African


Anyone know if there's another calculator floating about like that one Palisto did for the K=13?

[Pallantides]

K=11b

Baltic: 47.8%
Atlantic-Mediterranean: 37.37%
West Central Asian: 12.98%
Southeast Asian: 0.93%
North Asian: 0.77%
East African: 0.12%
South Asian: 0.00%
West African: 0.00%
Caucasus: 0.00%
Southwest Asian: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.00%

[Jerry]

K=11b

Baltic: 66.7%
Atlantic-Mediterranean: 14.2%
West Central Asian: 8.2%
North Asian: 5.5%
Southwest Asian: 4.2%
Caucasus 1.0%
Southeast Asian: 0.1%
East African: 0.1%
South Asian: 0.00%
West African: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.00%

[Äike]

K=11b

Baltic: 70.67%
Atlantic-Mediterranean: 10.27%
Caucasus: 6.5%
West Central-Asian: 5%
Southwest Asian: 3.3%
Southeast Asian: 1.1%
South Asian: 1%
North Asian: 0.8%
East Asian: 0.7%
East African: 0.2%
West African: 0%

[Humanophage]

K=11b

Baltic 67.44%
Caucasus 14.50%
Southwest Asian 6.59%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 6.14%
South Asian 2.97%
East Asian 1.22%
North Asian 0.68%
West African 0.28%
East African 0.18%
West Central Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%

North Slavs and Balts seem to be heavy on SW Asian and Caucasus in this run, and low on West Central Asian (which is rather West Euro).

[Jerry]

K=11b

Baltic 67.44%
Caucasus 14.50%
Southwest Asian 6.59%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 6.14%
South Asian 2.97%
East Asian 1.22%
North Asian 0.68%
West African 0.28%
East African 0.18%
West Central Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%

North Slavs and Balts seem to be heavy on SW Asian and Caucasus in this run, and low on West Central Asian (which is rather West Euro).

I take it you don't mean Finns by Balts. Quite interesting that you for example score clear 0 in West Central Asian and I have over 8%. Would think that a Baltic Russian like yourself would have quite similar components but in a bit different proportions. I guess the West Central Asian is the Western European influence in Finns.

[Barreldriver]

WE.12.Q Eurogenes K=12 March 17, 2012 US83
52.0205% North Atlantic
0.001% North Asian
0.001% East African
0.5263% West Central Asian
0.4928% South Asian
0.4378% West African
6.1846% Caucasus
4.8329% Finnish
27.0228% Atlantic-Mediterranean
1.3204% Southwest Asian
6.6392% South Baltic
0.5206% East Asian

Anyone know how to make an excel calculator like the one Palisto did for that K=11?

[Pallantides]

North Atlantic 59.09%
Finnish 15.99%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 12.62%
South Baltic 7.89%
Caucasus 2.71%
East Asian 1.01%
Southwest Asian 0.61%
East African 0.02%
North Asian 0.00%
West Central Asian 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
West African 0.00%

[Damião de Góis]

Atlantic-Mediterranean - 42,6%
North Atlantic - 29,3%
South Baltic - 10,3%
Caucasus - 6.9%
Southwest Asian - 4%
West Central Asian - 2.7%
West African - 2.4%
East African - 1%
South Asian - 0.4%
Finnish - 0%
East Asian -0%
North Asian - 0%

How am i more South Baltic than Pallantides...?

[Graham]

WE.12.Q Eurogenes K=12 March 17, 2012

UK19

59.70% North Atlantic
22.82% Atlantic-Mediterranean
11.48% Finnish
03.32% West Central Asian
02.67% Southwest Asian
00.00% North Asian
00.00% East African
00.00% South Asian
00.00% West African
00.00% Caucasus
00.00% South Baltic
00.00% East Asian

[Graham]

Eurogenes ADMIXTURE poll - which run should I repeat regularly?

http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/eurogenes-admixture-poll-which-run.html
As many of you might be aware, I've spent the last few weeks playing around with the ADMIXTURE ancestry algorithm. My aim was to produce the most informative intra-West Eurasian analysis achievable with the samples in my collection. Unfortunately, it's not possible for me repeat regularly all the runs I did. However, I'm willing to try one, or maybe two, of the analyses every couple of weeks as new samples come in. But which ones?

All visitors can vote using the poll options on the right. Below are links to all the relevant ADMIXTURE runs...

K=10 (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k10.html)
K=11 (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k11.html)
K=11b (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/west-eurasian-admixture-analysis-k11b.html)
K=12 (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k12.html)
K=12b (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k12b.html)
K=13 (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k13.html)

[orangepulp]

K=12b

Caucasus: 47.87%
Atlantic-Med: 21.49%
Southwest Asian: 9.42%
West Central Asian: 8.71%
North Asian: 3.60%
Finnish: 3.10%
North Atlantic: 2.33%
East Asian:1.83%
South Baltic:0.98%
East African: 0.61%
South Asian: 0.00%
West African: 0.00%

[Graham]

I'm the only one, out of the UK, Ireland, Orkney, Kent, SW Scotland, Cornwall and CEU. To get zero for both Caucasus and South Baltic. Finnish a little higher on average.

Special, was always told that(as in simple).

[Humanophage]

South Baltic 65.00%
Finnish 12.71%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 10.52%
Caucasus 3.24%
North Atlantic 2.56%
South Asian 2.28%
West Central Asian 1.24%
Southwest Asian 1.09%
North Asian 0.70%
East African 0.51%
East Asian 0.14%
West African 0.00%

Curiously enough, Finno-Ugrics in Russia don't show exceptionally high Finnish levels. Unlike Northern Russians.



I take it you don't mean Finns by Balts. Quite interesting that you for example score clear 0 in West Central Asian and I have over 8%. Would think that a Baltic Russian like yourself would have quite similar components but in a bit different proportions. I guess the West Central Asian is the Western European influence in Finns.
I meant non-WE influenced Balts, namely Lithuanians. Indeed, WCA seems to be clearly associated with West European admixtures.

[Jerry]

I'm considerably "less Finnish" than other Finns whatever that means :D About 76% is the average, and a few Finns score 99%+ Finnish . My North Atlantic, South Baltic and Atlantic-Med are then higher than Finn.avg. South Baltic most different, 2x avg.

Finnish 61.48%
North Atlantic 17.94%
South Baltic 12.96%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 4.75%
Southwest Asian 1.32%
North Asian 1.10%
Caucasus 0.44%
East Asian 0.00%
West Central Asian 0.00%
East African 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
West African 0.00%

[Moonbird]

I'm considerably "less Finnish" than other Finns whatever that means :D About 76% is the average, and a few Finns score 99%+ Finnish . My North Atlantic, South Baltic and Atlantic-Med are then higher than Finn.avg. South Baltic most different, 2x avg.

Finnish 61.48%
North Atlantic 17.94%
South Baltic 12.96%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 4.75%
Southwest Asian 1.32%
North Asian 1.10%
Caucasus 0.44%
East Asian 0.00%
West Central Asian 0.00%
East African 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
West African 0.00%

Your North Atlantic figure is quite high, did some of your ancestors recently immigrate from Sweden? I remember your having Swedish speaking family members.

[Jerry]

Your North Atlantic figure is quite high, did some of your ancestors recently immigrate from Sweden? I remember your having Swedish speaking family members.

Not that I know of, no. Not very recently for sure, meaning at least all are Finns after 1850. Before that it could be possible I guess, but the Swedish speaking part I've tracked in Kimito/Pargas around there until 1790.

[Padre Organtino]

South Baltic 65.00%
Finnish 12.71%
Atlantic-Mediterranean 10.52%
Caucasus 3.24%
North Atlantic 2.56%
South Asian 2.28%
West Central Asian 1.24%
Southwest Asian 1.09%
North Asian 0.70%
East African 0.51%
East Asian 0.14%
West African 0.00%

.

How did you manage to score anything on that?:confused: Is it just noise?

[Damião de Góis]

New (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/population-genetics-meets-art-at.html) picture:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/693/webga101.png

I look more like a North Italian than an Iberian here. This happens whenever Basques are present (stupid basques) :rolleyes:

[Barreldriver]

^Looks like I'm Cornish in that map. :p

[Osweo]

Fresa E6 is a bit more on the Italian side too, whereas I'm almost Norwegian at UK20! :D

I wonder if we had more Swiss we'd fill the top 'void', and Albanians for the next to the left?

[Trog]

Is there any way to view this more clearly? Even at 800% I am still unable to find myself (UK) in that heavily populated UK area.

[Kadu]

I look more like a North Italian than an Iberian here. This happens whenever Basques are present (stupid basques) :rolleyes:

It's not the Basques, it's the Caucasus.

[Loki]

I'm French, as usual ;)

[Pallantides]

I have marked my position
http://i.imgur.com/iubtV.jpg

[Transhumanist]

Eurogenes K12b chromosome paintings (GEDmatch (http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8007/autosomal/ap_mix1zzz_euro.php)), for myself, and one of the two Iraqi Mandaeans:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Assyrian_Hum_.jpg

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/iraq_mandaean.jpg

[orangepulp]

Eurogenes hunter gatherer vs. farmer ADMIXTURE test (http://bga101.blogspot.fr/2012/03/eurogenes-hunter-gatherer-vs-farmer.html)

Anatolian farmer: 62.26%
Mediterranean farmer: 19.11%
Middle Eastern herder: 9.09%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer: 2.92%
East Asian farmer: 2.66%
Baltic hunter gatherer: 2.29%
Oceanian hunter gatherer: 0.54%
South Asian hunter gatherer: 0.43%
Pygmy hunter gatherer: 0.14%
Bantu farmer: 0.08%
American hunter gatherer: 0.00%

[orangepulp]

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2559/gedmatch.jpg

[Barreldriver]

US83:

0.5191% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
4.0677% Anatolian Farmer
0.001% Middle Eastern Herder
1.0477% American Hunter Gatherer
0.001% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
56.7624% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
0.4474% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
36.6606% Mediterranean Farmer
0.001% East Asian Farmer
0.001% Bantu Farmer
0.4911% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer

[Scrapple]

South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0%
Anatolian Farmer 6%
Middle Eastern Herder 4%
American Hunter Gatherer 0%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 66%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0%
Mediterranean Farmer 21%
East Asian Farmer 0%
Bantu Farmer 0%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0%

[Styggnacke]

K12b

North Atlantic: 44.12%
Finnish: 19.05%
Atlantic-Mediterranic: 17.41%
South Baltic: 13.59%
West Central Asian: 4.42%
Southwest Asian: 1.36%
North Asian: 0.00%
East African: 0.00%
South Asian: 0.00%
West African: 0.00%
Caucasus: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.00%


Hunter gatherer vs. farmer ADMIXTURE test

Baltic hunter gatherer: 73.27%
Mediterranean farmer: 22.56%
Anatolian farmer: 1.13%
South Asian hunter gatherer: 0.66%
Middle Eastern herder: 0.62%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer: 0.57%
American hunter gatherer: 0.49%
Oceanian hunter gatherer: 0.47%
Pygmy hunter gatherer: 0.20%
East Asian farmer: 0.00%
Bantu farmer: 0.00%

[Pallantides]

Baltic hunter & gatherer - 77.54%
Mediterranean farmer - 20.28%
North Eurasian hunter & gatherer - 1.11%
East Asian farmer - 0.97%
Pygmy hunter & gatherer - 0.06%
South Asian hunter & gatherer - 0.00%
Anatolian farmer - 0.00%
Middle Eastern herder - 0.00%
American hunter & gatherer - 0.00%
Oceanian hunter & gatherer - 0.00%
Bantu farmer - 0.00%

78.7% hunter & gatherer
21.25% farmer

:cool:

[Transhumanist]

Rounded to nearest whole percent:

Anatolian farmer 64%
Middle Eastern herder 20%
Mediterranean farmer 14%
South Asian hunter gatherer 1%
East Asian farmer 0%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer 0%
American hunter gatherer 0%
Baltic hunter gatherer 0%
Oceanian hunter gatherer 0%
Bantu farmer 0%
Pygmy hunter gatherer 0%

~99% Farmer/Herder
~1% Hunter-Gatherer

[Odoacer]

I'm on this spreadsheet! :D

Baltic Hunter-Gatherer 0.511142
Mediterranean Farmer 0.333647
Anatolian Farmer 0.115942
Middle Eastern Herder 0.024368
Oceanian Hunter-Gatherer 0.010645
Bantu Farmer 0.004204
East Asian Farmer 0.000012
American Hunter-Gatherer 0.00001
North Eurasian Hunter-Gatherer 0.00001
Pygmy Hunter-Gatherer 0.00001
South Asian Hunter-Gatherer 0.00001

Hunter-Gatherer: ~52%
Farmer: ~45%
Herder: ~2%

More Melanesian than Bantu it seems. :cool:

[Damião de Góis]

It's not the Basques, it's the Caucasus.

It's probably a mixture of both. My low basque and relatively high caucasus. But you have that last one also, which would mean you would shift towards north italians too, but that doesn't happen.

[Graham]

66% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
33% Mediterranean Farmer
1% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
0% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
0% American Hunter Gatherer
0% Anatolian Farmer
0% Middle Eastern Herder
0% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
0% East Asian Farmer
0% Bantu Farmer
0% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer

[Kadu]

But you have that last one also, which would mean you would shift towards north italians too, but that doesn't happen.

Well, not really, I don't have much... If you check the K12b sheet you'll see that the Iberian project participants with higher Caucasian affinity are also near you.
And also, if you look at where the pull is dragging you, you'll see that it's the Caucasus via the Balkans.

[Trog]

Seems I deviate a wee bit from you.

66% Baltic-Hunter Gatherer
31% Mediterranean farmer
1.5% Anatolian Farmer
1% South Asian Hunter-Gatherer
0.5% From America Hunter Gatherer + North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer + Pygmy Hunter Gatherer





66% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
33% Mediterranean Farmer
1% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
0% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
0% American Hunter Gatherer
0% Anatolian Farmer
0% Middle Eastern Herder
0% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
0% East Asian Farmer
0% Bantu Farmer
0% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer

[Supreme American]

Are they still taking 23andme data? I don't see where...

[Styggnacke]

Are they still taking 23andme data? I don't see where...
Yes, Polako still takes 23andMe data. But I think your grandparents must be of the same ethnicity to be able to join the project.

[Supreme American]

Yes, Polako still takes 23andMe data. But I think your grandparents must be of the same ethnicity to be able to join the project.

In other words you can be only one ethnic group? 3 of my grandparents are German, the 4th is an American colonial mutt.

[Styggnacke]

In other words you can be only one ethnic group?
Yes.

[Lisa]

In other words you can be only one ethnic group? 3 of my grandparents are German, the 4th is an American colonial mutt.

Well, Polako uses some mixed persons - such as RU19(he from US - on 3/4Russian and 1/4 unknown) and RU23 .
So if he uses them, it is likely some other members eurogenes may be also mixed.

[Styggnacke]

Well, Polako uses some mixed persons - such as RU19(he from US - on 3/4Russian and 1/4 unknown) and RU23 .
So if he uses them, it is likely some other members eurogenes may be also mixed.
I think they're leftovers from v.1, when mixed people were accepted.

[Osweo]

Farmer/Forager admix results:

68.45 Baltic H/G :moose:
29.42 Med Farmer :sheep1:
01.20 S. Asian H/G :taz:
00.71 Oceanian H/G :ftitanic: :sherlock:
00.22 Anatolian Farmer :costumed-smiley-007

0.00002 American H/G
0.00001 Pygmy H/G
.........1 Bantu farmer
.........1 E Asian Farmer
.........1 N Eurasian H/G
.........1 Mid East herder

- Pretty much like our Scots, with some extra crap thrown in, no doubt from my infamous Oxfordshire Southern admix.... :p

Older runs;

K=12

71.43 N. Atlantic
20.89 Med
03.14 Caucasus
03.08 Baltic
01.38 W C Asian

K13

71.96 N Atlantic
19.93 Med
03.30 Caucasus
03.21 Baltic
01.49 W C Asian
00.09 SW Asian

[Damião de Góis]

Well, not really, I don't have much... If you check the K12b sheet you'll see that the Iberian project participants with higher Caucasian affinity are also near you.
And also, if you look at where the pull is dragging you, you'll see that it's the Caucasus via the Balkans.

We both have between 10 and 15% if i remember well.

[noricum]

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/noricum_loner.png

Eurogenes_K12b Admixture Proportions

Population
North_Atlantic 19.8%
North_Asian 0.1%
East_African 0.1%
West_Central_Asian 5.0%
South_Asian 0.3%
West_African -
Caucasus 2.6%
Finnish 2.6%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 23.9%
Southwest_Asian 3.7%
South_Baltic 41.9%
East_Asian -

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/eurogenes_k12_noricum.png

AP_Mix Admixture Proportions

Population
East_European 21.7%
West_European 41.8%
Mediterranean 23.7%
Neo_African 0.1%
West_Asian 8.0%
South_Asian 1.1%
Northeast_Asian 0.2%
Southeast_Asian 0.1%
East_African 0.1%
Southwest_Asian 2.3%
Northwest_African 0.7%
Palaeo_African 0.1%

Italian= 0.474 Lithuani= 0.526 or
Tuscan= 0.443 Lithuani= 0.557 or
English= 0.282 Hungary= 0.718

this seems to be saying actually German or Polish,
or else some mixture averaging there.

Doug McDonald

[Mortimer]

Im not on the Project but just run it with Gedmatch

Population
North_Atlantic 9.5%
North_Asian 0.7%
East_African 0.3%
West_Central_Asian 8.1%
South_Asian 11.7%
West_African 0.4%
Caucasus 14.0%
Finnish 4.2%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 22.2%
Southwest_Asian 7.5%
South_Baltic 19.3%
East_Asian 2.1%

[Supreme American]

I don't even know what I'm reading. Uploaded 23andme results to Gedmatch and got the Eurogenes K12b result:

Population
North_Atlantic 33.6%
North_Asian 0.3%
East_African 0.1%
West_Central_Asian 3.0%
South_Asian 0.6%
West_African 0.1%
Caucasus 7.5%
Finnish 7.8%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 26.4%
Southwest_Asian 3.6%
South_Baltic 16.5%
East_Asian 0.5%

http://i40.tinypic.com/2v92gkg.png

This one with Diekenes Dodecad V3

From the Eurogenes site: "The results produced by this utility will be less accurate that those produced by DIYDodecad V2 primarily because it is limited to 1000 iterations to limit server CPU use."

Population
East_European 12.4%
West_European 46.1%
Mediterranean 26.2%
Neo_African 0.1%
West_Asian 9.8%
South_Asian 0.8%
Northeast_Asian 0.5%
Southeast_Asian 0.3%
East_African 0.2%
Southwest_Asian 2.8%
Northwest_African 0.8%
Palaeo_African -

http://i43.tinypic.com/ekrods.png

[StonyArabia]

Me rounded to the nearest whole number

South Asian Hunter 3%
Anatolian Framer 52%
Middle Easterner herder 24%
American Hunter 0.63%
North Eurasian Hunter 0.80%
Baltic Hunter 0%
Oceanian Hunter 2%
Med Framer 15 %
East Asian Framer 0%
Bantu Framer 2%
Pygmy Hunter 0.47%

[Supreme American]

Me rounded to the nearest whole number

South Asian Hunter 3%
Anatolian Framer 52%
Middle Easterner herder 24%
American Hunter 0.63%
North Eurasian Hunter 0.80%
Baltic Hunter 0%
Oceanian Hunter 2%
Med Framer 15 %
East Asian Framer 0%
Bantu Framer 2%
Pygmy Hunter 0.47%

Where did you find this?

[StonyArabia]

Where did you find this?

http://bga101.blogspot.fr/2012/03/eurogenes-hunter-gatherer-vs-farmer.html, go to the spreadsheet and search for your codename, you are probably American something if you are member of the project.

[Styggnacke]

Where did you find this?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEpWejNMMFBmc3BBNlN3TTNwaVdkU 2c

[Supreme American]

Find codename? Wut dat?

[Nurzat]

43.74% - South Baltic
26.17% - Atlantic-Mediterranean
11.04% - North Atlantic
7.69% - Caucasus
7.37% - Westcentral Asian
1.96% - Southwest Asian
1.12% - North Asian
0.69% - East Asian

normal result for the territory of the austrian empire

still in the range of the austrian results on the spreadsheet: 55% Baltic hunter-gatherer (probably an average between my dad's ueberscore and my mom's north-of-the-black-sea score) while 23% Mediterranean farmer and 16% Anatolian farmer

[Pallantides]

Where did you find this?

So you want to know how much of an hunter & gatherer you are?;)

[orangepulp]

Eurogenes intra-North European ancestry test (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/eurogenes-intra-north-european-ancestry.html)

NEU.12.Q

Caucasus: 60.68%
Mediterranean: 20.04%
Middle Eastern: 10.01%
Siberian: 3.16%
South Baltic: 2.55%
East Asian: 2.43%
South Asian:0.85%
Amerindian: 0.15%
Western European: 0.00%
Sub-Sahran: 0.00%
North Sea: 0.00%
Northeast Euro:0.00%

[Styggnacke]

This run was really messed up. Some Swedes get around 30% Western European, while some get zero.

[Pallantides]

North Sea 60.17%
Western European 26.4%
South Baltic 6.57%
Northeast Euro 5.85%
Siberian 0.68%
East Asian 0.35%
South Asian 0.00%
Caucasus 0.00%
Middle Eastern 0.00%
Amerindian 0.00%
Mediterranean 0.00%
Sub-Saharan 0.00%

[Damião de Góis]

Western Euro - 42.7%
Mediterranean - 31.9%

South Baltic - 9%
Caucasus - 7.4%

Middle Eastern - 3.5%
Sub-Saharan - 3.2%
North Sea - 2.3%

South Asian - 0.1%
Amerindian - 0.1%
Siberian - 0%
East Asian - 0%
Northeast Euro - 0%

[Styggnacke]

Anyways, my results:

North Sea: 74.65%
Northeast European: 10.31%
South Baltic: 7.47%
Mediterranean: 7.15%
Middle Eastern: 0.24%
Siberian: 0.08%
Caucasus: 0.05%
East Asian: 0.01%
South Asian: 0.00%
Amerindian: 0.00%
Sub Saharan: 0.00%
Western European: 0.00%

[Graham]

UK19

61.00% North Sea
32.56% Western European
4.97% Mediterranean
1.29% Middle Eastern
0.00% South Baltic
0.00% Northeast Euro
0.00% Siberian
0.05% East Asian
0.05% South Asian
0.00% Caucasus
0.07% Amerindian
0.00% Sub-Saharan

[Osweo]

60.32 Western Europe
35.95 North Sea
03.15 South Baltic
00.35 Siberian
00.22 South Asian
00.fuck all Everything Else. (INcluding 'Mediterranean', this time, while our Scotch comrade above has nearly 5% of it! How curious... :chin:)

- UK20

[Pallantides]

60.32 Western Europe
35.95 North Sea
03.15 South Baltic
00.35 Siberian
00.22 South Asian
00.fuck all Everything Else.

- UK20

Welcome to the horde.

[Osweo]

61.00% North Sea
32.56% Western European
04.97% Mediterranean
01.29% Middle Eastern
00.00% South Baltic


60.32 Western Europe
35.95 North Sea
03.15 South Baltic
00.35 Siberian
00.22 South Asian
00.fuck all Everything Else.
- It is quite interesting to compare us two. We are like the opposite of each other on the two main British components. The recent Irish in me is doing this, I suppose, while Graham has perhaps more Anglo-Norse than might be expected.
More curious is the different trace components. I have no Middle Eastern or Med, and he has no South Baltic to compare with my little chunk.

Polako does this to get at the ancient prehistoric migrations, and has tentatively identified the South Baltic ingredient as a Mesolithic pre-farming one. That a more Irish Briton has more of this than a more Easterly based Briton makes good sense. :)

[Graham]

(INcluding 'Mediterranean', this time, while our Scotch comrade above has nearly 5% of it! How curious... :chin:)
- UK20

Trog has no Med either, you always have close results with her. My conclusion..you are secret family.

[Graham]

- It is quite interesting to compare us two. We are like the opposite of each other on the two main British components. The recent Irish in me is doing this, I suppose, while Graham has perhaps more Anglo-Norse than might be expected.
More curious is the different trace components. I have no Middle Eastern or Med, and he has no South Baltic to compare with my little chunk.

Polako does this to get at the ancient prehistoric migrations, and has tentatively identified the South Baltic ingredient as a Mesolithic pre-farming one. That a more Irish Briton has more of this than a more Easterly based Briton makes good sense. :)

A good deal of my ancestry is on the North Sea from North to South, Cumbria, Borders and Galloway. So I'd expect it.

[Barreldriver]

US83

NEU.12.Q
0.0015% South Asian
3.2017% Caucasus
0.001% Middle Eastern
0.6319% Amerindian
0.001% Siberian
1.1297% South Baltic
14.9818% Mediterranean
0.001% East Asian
32.9494% Western European
0.1902% Sub-Saharan African
41.6128% North Sea European
5.298% Northeastern European

[Damião de Góis]

I didn't know that Gedmatch had this too. Here are my results for K12b, my South Baltic is huge :confused:

http://oi42.tinypic.com/e9esk3.jpg

http://oi41.tinypic.com/rrp4c3.jpg

[Pallantides]

My gedmatch results:

Population
North_Atlantic 58.3%
North_Asian 0.3%
East_African 0.1%
West_Central_Asian 0.6%
South_Asian 0.2%
West_African -
Caucasus 2.5%
Finnish 15.7%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 12.0%
Southwest_Asian 1.1%
South_Baltic 8.9%
East_Asian 0.4%
http://i.imgur.com/o18r3.gif

[Dr. van Winkle]

Eurogenes_K12b:

Population
North_Atlantic 32.3%
North_Asian 0.2%
East_African 0.4%
West_Central_Asian 2.6%
South_Asian 0.6%
West_African 0.2%
Caucasus 9.1%
Finnish 9.5%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 24.2%
Southwest_Asian 2.9%
South_Baltic 18.1%
East_Asian -

http://i.imgur.com/Pv7HS.jpg


my South Baltic is huge :confused:

This method of analysis is perhaps biased towards slightly more admixture of South Baltic origin. I too haven't got such high figures of Baltic and Finnish influences in other calculators.

My highest percentage of admixture from Eastern Europe had been 25.01% Northeastern in the euro7 (http://dodecad.blogspot.de/2011/09/euro7-calculator.html) run of Dodecad.

[Damião de Góis]

This method of analysis is perhaps biased towards slightly more admixture of South Baltic origin. I too haven't got such high figures of Baltic and Finnish influences in other calculators.

My highest percentage of admixture from Eastern Europe had been 25.01% Northeastern in the euro7 (http://dodecad.blogspot.de/2011/09/euro7-calculator.html) run of Dodecad.

I don't know, i always score something. I have 9% on the last run (NEU.12.Q).

[orangepulp]

My gedmatch results:

Caucasus: 47.2%
Atlantic_Mediterranean: 21.1%
Southwest_Asian: 9.3%
West_Central_Asian: 8.1%
North_Asian: 3.3%
North_Atlantic: 2.3%
Finnish: 2.9%
East_Asian: 2.1%
South_Baltic: 2.0%
East_African: 0.6%
South_Asian: 0.8%
West_African: 0.3%http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8757/gedmatchk12b.jpg

[Su]

http://1.2.3.11/bmi/i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j474/london110685/genetics/eurogenes_k_12_b.png

Again in numbers:

Caucasus: 29.2%
Atlantic_Mediterranean: 22.5%
Southwest_Asian: 14.1%
West_Central_Asian: 10.1%
South_Baltic: 6.4%
North_Asian: 4.7%
East_Asian: 4.4%
Finnish: 3.7%
North_Atlantic:3.0%
South_Asian: 1.1%
East_African: 0.8%
West_African: 0.5%

[The Exiled King]

My Gedmatch K12b results:

Population
North_Atlantic 24.7%
North_Asian 0.2%
East_African 0.2%
West_Central_Asian 3.4%
South_Asian 0.6%
West_African 0.3%
Caucasus 15.4%
Finnish 4.0%
Atlantic_Mediterranean 31.3%
Southwest_Asian 9.0%
South_Baltic 10.6%
East_Asian 0.1%

[Supreme American]

Western Euro - 42.7%
Mediterranean - 31.9%

South Baltic - 9%
Caucasus - 7.4%

Middle Eastern - 3.5%
Sub-Saharan - 3.2%
North Sea - 2.3%

South Asian - 0.1%
Amerindian - 0.1%
Siberian - 0%
East Asian - 0%
Northeast Euro - 0%

So you're in Portugal and score 0.1% Amerindian. Very funny..

[Damião de Góis]

So you're in Portugal and score 0.1% Amerindian. Very funny..

It's too low to be anything. I always score 0% Amerindian on every run.

[Pallantides]

So you're in Portugal and score 0.1% Amerindian. Very funny..

Rofl... that is noise level.

[Dr. van Winkle]

Dodecad v 2.1 shows me as 15.36% Eastern European, which is rather low in comparison. It also has no Finnish cluster and Finland isn't considered to belong to Eastern Europe.

I made an experiment by merging the Dodecad v 2.1 (http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/09/do-it-yourself-dodecad-v-21.html) results with those of the euro7 (http://dodecad.blogspot.de/2011/09/euro7-calculator.html) calculator of Dodecad, by adjusting the West_European and East_European elements based on the proportions of Northwestern and Northeastern in euro7.

In consequence, the Dodecad and Eurogenes results have become standardized and almost identical.

Eurogenes vs. Dodecad:

http://i.imgur.com/UWf0A.png

[Rochefaton]

I made a spreadsheet that works as a RMSD calculator for the European members of the NEU.12 run. It is the same as the others I have made. Use OpenOffice, plug your values in and get a chart at the bottom. Here is a link to the spreadsheet (http://www.filefactory.com/file/7724hiajpitz/n/NEU_12RMSDCalculator_ods), and below is my chart.


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/MyNEU12RMSDChart.jpg

Here are my 5 most similar populations in this run:

NO: 3.12
SE: 3.71
NL: 4.44
DK: 5.88
CEU: 6.28

I ran a few tests to check the accuracy of the calculator, and things look fine, but let me know if you experience any problems.

[Transhumanist]

My gedmatch results:

Caucasus: 47.2%
Atlantic_Mediterranean: 21.1%
Southwest_Asian: 9.3%
West_Central_Asian: 8.1%
North_Asian: 3.3%
North_Atlantic: 2.3%
Finnish: 2.9%
East_Asian: 2.1%
South_Baltic: 2.0%
East_African: 0.6%
South_Asian: 0.8%
West_African: 0.3%http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8757/gedmatchk12b.jpg

As requested:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/hum_gedmatch_eurogenes.jpg

[~Elizabeth~]

NEU.12.Q
North Sea 65.2%
Mediterranean 16.6%
Northeast Euro 09.6%
Caucasus 05.2%
South Baltic 01.7%
Sub-Saharan 00.7%
East Asian 00.3%
South Asian 00.2%
Middle Eastern 00.1%
Amerindian 00.00%
Siberian 00.00%
Western Euro 00.0%

[orangepulp]

As requested:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8757/gedmatchk12b.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/hum_gedmatch_eurogenes.jpg

My Caucasus component always seems to be the higher than the average even higher than Assyrians and equal with Armenians. I am positive my maternal side (North Eastern Turks) would score around 60-70% Caucasus.This may indicate Caucasus ancestry.

[Transhumanist]

My Caucasus component always seems to be the higher than the average even higher than Assyrians and equal with Armenians. I am positive my maternal side (North Eastern Turks) would score around 60-70% Caucasus.This may indicate Caucasus ancestry.

What is your "Caucasus" component in Dodecad K12b? Assyrians are around ~50%.

But, yeah, NE Turks are very near the area where the various "Caucasus" like components appear to be modal today.

[orangepulp]

What is your "Caucasus" component in Dodecad K12b? Assyrians are around ~50%.

But, yeah, NE Turks are very near the area where the various "Caucasus" like components appear to be modal today.

With K12B my Caucasus is same with the Assyrian average, it's 51.2%.

Look at what I got from Larry's program:

Turks: 34.73%
Georgians: 27.56%
Assyrian_D: 24.86% <<<<<<
Sardinian: 5.75%
Mongol:3.86%
Makrani:2.99%
Lezgins: 0.25%

With other runs from Polako and Dienekes my Caucasus was also higher than the average when I was comparing with Turks and with some Assyrians (not average). I noticed that my results overall were closer to Armenians except that I had Turkic input.

[Damião de Góis]

My chart using Rochefaton's spreadsheet:

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2w4zjie.jpg

[Rochefaton]

Barreldriver, here is your chart:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/CadwallonNEU12Chart.jpg

Your closest 5 groups are:

BE 2.00
Kent 2.66
US 3.37
UK 3.52
CA 3.68

[~Elizabeth~]

Hi everyone. I recognize a few of you from another forum (ABF)


Here is my Gedmatch Eurogenes K12b Pie Chart
http://i42.tinypic.com/xpyal3.jpg



Hi Rochefaton
Thank you for doing a chart for me on ABF. I'll post it here:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/US87Chart.jpg


"Closest 5:

SE 5.73
NO 6.99
NL 7.99
FI 9.38
DK 10.21"

[Styggnacke]

Your ancestry doesn't match up with the results on Rochefaton's chart.

[~Elizabeth~]

Your ancestry doesn't match up with the results on Rochefaton's chart.

Well, that's the one he did for me.
My results vary greatly from run to run.
Maybe the Swedes and Norwegians I'm compared to are short with light brown hair (which is me) instead of the stereotypical tall blonde ones.

[The Exiled King]

Is the South Baltic admixture component in people from Italy, Spain, and Portugal attributed to the Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, and Slavic people who came to those countries? Is the South Baltic component also correlated with the haplogroup R1a?

[Damião de Góis]

Is the South Baltic admixture component in people from Italy, Spain, and Portugal attributed to the Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, and Slavic people who came to those countries? Is the South Baltic component also correlated with the haplogroup R1a?

I'm not sure, but Suebi and Vandals were both East Germanic. Visigoths were not, although they seem to have lived on the shores of the Baltic as well.

[Pallantides]

Hey Roche could you do a chart for me:)

[Rochefaton]

Graham:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/UK19Chart.jpg

Closest 5:

DK 2.84
CEU 3.49
NL 3.77
UK 4.38
Kent 4.65

Pallantides:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/NO2ChartNEU12.jpg

DK 2.55
NO 3.32
NL 3.59
CEU 3.73
US 4.74

[Pallantides]

Pallantides:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/NO2ChartNEU12.jpg

DK 2.55
NO 3.32
NL 3.59
CEU 3.73
US 4.74


You are my hero!

[Damião de Góis]

New version of this picture with more samples. I made a red circle around me :p

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mt09cw.jpg

[Pallantides]

New version of this picture with more samples. I made a red circle around me :p

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mt09cw.jpg

Another red circle appear!
http://i.imgur.com/RSVDG.jpg

[Rochefaton]

Your ancestry doesn't match up with the results on Rochefaton's chart.

This latest run is showing some weird results for people of mixed ancestry. I don't know what reasoning there could be for this, and Polako is probably the only person that could give us an explanation.

All my spreadsheet does is apply the RMSD formula to the data Polako has produced.

[Polako]

This latest run is showing some weird results for people of mixed ancestry. I don't know what reasoning there could be for this, and Polako is probably the only person that could give us an explanation.

All my spreadsheet does is apply the RMSD formula to the data Polako has produced.

Well, it's easy, there's no cluster or ethnicity called "EnglishScottishWelsh DutchFrenchSlovakianGerman".

So the only groups we can match are those that are defined as groups.

[Polako]

This method of analysis is perhaps biased towards slightly more admixture of South Baltic origin. I too haven't got such high figures of Baltic and Finnish influences in other calculators.

It depends. If you're not in the project, then your South Baltic and Finnish scores will be higher. That's because if you're not one of the references yourself, then the algorithm will give you higher portions of components that are similar to your main component.

Also, I use more references from around that area, while Dienekes' has far fewer Russians. Individual variation, or lack of, will affect the outcomes.

[The Exiled King]

It depends. If you're not in the project, then your South Baltic and Finnish scores will be higher. That's because if you're not one of the references yourself, then the algorithm will give you higher portions of components that are similar to your main component.

Also, I use more references from around that area, while Dienekes' has far fewer Russians. Individual variation, or lack of, will affect the outcomes.

Can I be added to the Eurogenes project?

[Dr. van Winkle]

It depends. If you're not in the project, then your South Baltic and Finnish scores will be higher. That's because if you're not one of the references yourself, then the algorithm will give you higher portions of components that are similar to your main component.

Okay, let me send you my raw data set (to eurogenesblog@hotmail.com), so that you can analyze it.

[The Exiled King]

Okay, let me send you my raw data set (to eurogenesblog@hotmail.com), so that you can analyze it.

Is it ok if you are of mixed ancestry to be a part of Eurogenes?

[Dr. van Winkle]

Is it ok if you are of mixed ancestry to be a part of Eurogenes?

In fact I'm not of mixed heritage at all. I'm entirely German on the paper, quite in the same way as an American of "pure" German descent, whose ancestors emigrated to another country.

[The Exiled King]

In fact I'm not of mixed heritage at all. I'm entirely German on the paper, quite in the same way as an American of "pure" German descent, whose ancestors emigrated to another country.

No lol, I meant if I were to join the Eurogenes project would he accept an American of mixed ancestry? :)

[Polako]

Well, it's easy, there's no cluster or ethnicity called "EnglishScottishWelsh DutchFrenchSlovakianGerman".

So the only groups we can match are those that are defined as groups.

Actually, let me just expand on this comment, which was a bit half-arsed now that I think about it.

The important thing to understand, is that these tests are blind to ethnic labels, and driven solely by allele frequencies.

That's why a person of mixed German/Italian ancestry is likely to come out "French", and so, and so forth.

[Pallantides]

Update
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/04/two-updates-from-eurogenes-easter-bunny.html


HvF1.12.Q

Baltic hunter gatherer 75.93%
Mediterranean farmer 22.05%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer 1.07%
Far Eastern farmer 0.83%
East African pastoralist 0.07%
Pygmy hunter gatherer 0.02%
Oceanian hunter gatherer 0.00%
Anatolian farmer 0.00%
Middle Eastern herder 0.00%
South American hunter gatherer 0.00%
South Asian hunter gatherer 0.00%


NEU1a.12.Q

North Sea 53.96%
Western European 32.72%
Western Volga 6.68%
South Baltic 5.83%
East Asian 0.74%
Siberian 0.69%
South Asian 0.00%
Caucasus 0.00%
Southwest Asian 0.00%
Amerindian 0.00%
Mediterranean 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%

[Loki]

NEU.12.Q

46.78 North Sea
17.86 Mediterranean
15.73 Western Euro
5.79 Northeast Euro
4.19 Caucasus
4.08 South Baltic
2.65 Sub-Saharan
1.13 Middle Eastern
1.06 East Asian
0.62 South Asian
0.12 Amerindian
0.00 Siberian

[Damião de Góis]

Mine:

Mediterranean Farmer 49.5%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 32.4%

Anatolian Farmer 8.9%
Middle Eastern Herder 4.9%
Bantu Farmer 2%
East African Pastoralist 1.4%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.6%

Far Eastern Farmer 0%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0%

[~Elizabeth~]

Your ancestry doesn't match up with the results on Rochefaton's chart.

Rochefaton's chart for me was based on the intra-Northern European run, NEU.12.Q.
http://i43.tinypic.com/mjpvso.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/US87Chart.jpg

Closest 5:

SE 5.73
NO 6.99
NL 7.99
FI 9.38
DK 10.21



My Northern European component is closest to Swedes and Norwegians.


Maybe it's from the Normans. I have a lot of Norman English ancestry.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Gedmatch pie cart was based on a K12b with components/populations from around the world.

[Graham]

HvF1.12.Q

63.89% Baltic hunter gatherer
34.69% Mediterranean farmer
0.91% South Asian hunter gatherer
0.31% Oceanian hunter gatherer
0.18% South American hunter gatherer
0.02% Bantu Farmer
0.00% North Eurasian hunter gatherer
0.00% Far Eastern farmer
0.00% East African pastoralist
0.00% Pygmy hunter gatherer
0.00% Anatolian farmer
0.00% Middle Eastern herder


NEU1a.12.Q

55.68% North Sea
37.36% Western European
5.21% Mediterranean
1.22% Southwest Asian
0.25% Western Volga
0.16% Caucasus
0.06% East Asian
0.04% Amerindian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South Asian
0.00% South Baltic
0.00% Sub-Saharan African

[orangepulp]

HvF1.12.Q

Anatolian farmer: 62.34%
Mediterranean farmer: 16.97%
Middle Eastern herder: 12.75%
Far Eastern farmer: 2.69%
North Eurasian hunter gatherer: 2.93%
Baltic hunter gatherer: 1.12%
East African pastoralist: 0.60%
Oceanian hunetr gatherer: 0.55%
South American hunter gatherer: 0.00%
South Asian hunter gatherer: 0.00%
Pygmy hunter gatherer: 0.00%
Bantu farmer: 0.00%

NEU1a.12.Q

Caucasus: 60.50%
Mediterranean: 20.67%
Southwest Asian: 9.37%
Siberian: 2.94%
South Baltic: 2.91%
East Asian: 2.67%
South Asian: 0.56%
Sub-Sahran African: 0.25%
Amerindian: 0.08%
Western Volga: 0.00%
Western European: 0.00%
North Sea: 0.00%

[Sicilianu101]

Eurogenes HvF1.12.Q

Mediterranean Farmer: 40.32%
Anatolian Farmer: 28.94%
Middle Eastern Herder: 22.11%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer: 6.83%
Bantu Farmer: .98%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer: .82%
Far Eastern Farmer: 0%
South American Hunter Gatherer: 0%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer: 0%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer: 0%
East African Pastoralist: 0%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer: 0%

Eurogenes NEU1a.12.Q

Mediterranean: 34.47%
Caucasus: 27.33%
Western European: 18.37%
Southwest Asian: 18.14%
Sub-Saharan African: 1.68%
South Asian: 0%
Amerindian: 0%
Siberian: 0%
East Asian: 0%
Western Volga: 0%
South Baltic: 0%
North Sea: 0%

[Pallantides]

Euro_Test_K6.Q
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdHpWTHlqT3dzbHdCZFpuVkZpdl9he nc#gid=0)

European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic) 84.74%
Middle Eastern(Neolithic to recent in Europe) 8.61%
South Asian 3.69%
North Asian 2.16%
East Asian 0.76%
Sub-Saharan African 0.02%

[Graham]

Euro_Test_K6.Q

UK19
78.63% European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic)
16.55% Middle Eastern(Neolithic to recent in Europe)
04.16% South Asian

00.61% East Asian
00.04% Sub-Saharan African
00.00% North Asian

[Lisa]

Euro_Test_K6.Q
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdHpWTHlqT3dzbHdCZFpuVkZpdl9he nc#gid=0)



This is the most stupid thing from Polako.

[Pallantides]

Euro_Test_K6.Q
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdHpWTHlqT3dzbHdCZFpuVkZpdl9he nc#gid=0)

European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic) 84.74%
Middle Eastern(Neolithic to recent in Europe) 8.61%
South Asian 3.69%
North Asian 2.16%
East Asian 0.76%
Sub-Saharan African 0.02%


Norwegian average:

European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic) 81.39%
Middle Eastern(Neolithic to recent in Europe) 11.61%
South Asian 4.36%
North Asian 1.88%
East Asian 0.59%
Sub-Saharan African 0.14%


Swedish average:

European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic) 81.23%
Middle Eastern(Neolithic to recent in Europe) 11%
South Asian 5.13%
North Asian 2.1%
East Asian 0.31%
Sub-Saharan African 0.2%

[The Exiled King]

Euro Test K6.Q

European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic) 53.22%
Middle Eastern(Neolithic to recent in Europe) 39.84%
South Asian 5.5%
Sub-Saharan African 0.86%
North Asian 0.55%
East Asian 0%

[Barreldriver]

US83 –
73.7416% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
4.0839% South Asian
20.8006% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
0.001% North Asian
1.0086% East Asian
0.3643% Sub-Saharan African

[Dr. van Winkle]

I'm new to the project, and this is the first time I made it into the spreadsheet.

DE29

70.9% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
22.1% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
5.4% South Asian
1.1% North Asian
0.6% Sub-Saharan African
0.0% East Asian

Doug McDonald's analysis:


Most likely fit is 91.6% (+- 1.5%) Europe (all Western Europe) and 8.4% (+- 1.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top:

English= 0.910 Armenian= 0.090 or

English= 0.927 Palestin= 0.073 or

English= 0.922 Druze= 0.078 or

English= 0.888 Jewish= 0.112 or

English= 0.919 Iranian= 0.081 or

English= 0.908 Georgian= 0.092 or

English= 0.904 Turkish= 0.096 or

English= 0.935 Bedouin= 0.065 or

English= 0.941 Egyptian= 0.059 or

English= 0.909 Cypriot= 0.091

[~Elizabeth~]

Euro_Test_K6.Q
73.05% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
19.20% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
05.00% South Asian
01.30% East Asian
01.11% Sub-Saharan African
00.32% North Asian


edit: McDonald told me (email, a long time ago) that I'm 92% Orkney (Orcadian) and "the rest from somewhere - anywhere - in the Middle East". He said I had .5% African and .25% Native American. And he said my spot/dot was in southeast England (Kent?).

http://i53.tinypic.com/ri5gdc.png

[Rochefaton]

77.33% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
4.7% South Asian
16.73% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
1.03% North Asian
0.06% East Asian
0.16% Sub-Saharan African

[Pallantides]

K=7

European(Mesolithic European+Middle Eastern Neolithic) 80.26%
Middle Eastern 8.08%
Caucasus 7.35%
North Asian 1.85%
South Asian 1.07%
East Asian 1.04%
Sub-Saharan African 0.31%

[orangepulp]

Euro_Test_K7.Q

Caucasus: 54.65%
Middle Eastern: 27.54%
European: 10.55%
North Asian: 3.38%
East Asian: 2.81%
South Asian: 0.61%
Sub-Sahran African: 0.43%

Euro_Test_K6.Q

Middle Eastern: 59.06%
European: 19.72%
South Asian: 15.43%
North Asian: 5.31%
East Asian: 0.06%
Sub-Sahran African: 0.39%

[Graham]

Euro_Test_K7.Q

UK19
74.94% European
15.46% Middle Eastern
6.98% Caucasus
2.49% South Asian
0.18% East Asian
0.00% North Asian
0.00% Sub-Sahran African

European staying strong :)

[The Exiled King]

Euro_Test_K7.Q

European 48.51%
Middle Eastern 28.89%
Caucasus 20.9%
South Asian 0.78%
North Asian 0.46%
Sub-Saharan African 0.42%
East Asian 0%

[Dr. van Winkle]

Euro_Test_K7.Q

66.2% European
16.7% Middle Eastern
14.1% Caucasus
1.5% South Asian
1.0% North Asian
0.6% Sub-Saharan African
0.0% East Asian

Euro_Test_K6.Q

70.9% European
22.1% Middle Eastern
5.4% South Asian
1.1% North Asian
0.6% Sub-Saharan African
0.0% East Asian

[Barreldriver]

Euro_Test_K7.Q

US83

1.5913% South Asian
17.3222% Middle Eastern
10.3275% Caucasus
0.2602% Sub-Saharan African
0.7766% East Asian
0.001% North Asian
69.7213% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)

[Hussar]

NEU1a.12.Q :


West European = 44.3 %

Mediterranean = 28.6 %

Caucasus = 12.3 %

South Baltic = 7.5 %

southwest Asian = 6.5 %

[~Elizabeth~]

Euro_Test_K7.Q
68.6% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
15.1% Middle Eastern
11.8% Caucasus
01.8% South Asian
01.3% East Asian
01.0% Sub-Saharan African
00.1% North Asian


Euro_Test_K6.Q
73.05% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
19.20% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
05.00% South Asian
01.30% East Asian
01.11% Sub-Saharan African
00.32% North Asian

[Pallantides]

K=8

North European hunter & gatherer(+Neolithic admixture) - 71.82%
Maritime Neolithic - 15.59%
Anatolian Neolithic - 9.67%
East Asian - 1.3%
North Eurasian - 0.92%
East African - 0.37%
Sub-Saharan African - 0.28%
South Asian - 0.00%

[Graham]

North European staying sturdy Palla ^^ Noticed that North Euro is still high in scandinavia/East Europe.

[The Exiled King]

Euro Test K=8

North European 38.72%
Maritime Neolithic 37.93%
Anatolian Neolithic 19.91%
East African 1.22%
South Asian 1.01%
Sub-Saharan African 0.68%
North Eurasian 0.49%
East Asian 0%

[Sicilianu101]

Euro Test K6

58.64% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
32.59% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
5.52% South Asian
3.25% Sub-Saharan African
0% North Asian
0% East Asian

(What is this South Asian in K6? I usually score no South Asian in other tests)

Euro Test K7

40.13% Middle Eastern
30.56% Caucasus
27.15% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
2.16% Sub-Saharan African
0% South Asian
0% East Asian
0% North Asian

Euro Test K8

46.34% Maritime Neolithic
28.45% Anatolian Neolithic
18.89% North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture)
4.81% East African
1.51% Sub-Saharan African
0% North Eurasian
0% East Asian
0% South Asian

[Dr. van Winkle]

Euro Test K8

DE29+(German average)

North European 57.4% (61.0%)
Maritime Neolithic 24.6% (23.2%)
Anatolian Neolithic 15.0% (13.4%)
South Asian 1.0% (1.4%)
East African 0.8% (0.6%)
Sub-Saharan African 0.7% (0.3%)
North Eurasian 0.5% (0.1%)
East Asian 0% (0.3%)

[Graham]

K8

64.37% Nor European(UK average 62.3%, Irish average 63.5%)
25.04% Maritime Neolithic(UK average 25.4%, Irish average 23.8%)
8.48% Anatolian Neolithic(UK average 9.8%, Irish average 9.8%)
1.78% South Asian(UK average 1.6%, Irish average 2.2%)
0.32% Sub-Saharan African(UK average 0.2%, Irish average 0.2%)
0% North Eurasian(UK average 0.0009%, Irish average 0.1%)
0% East Asian(UK average 0.1%, Irish average 0.0008%)
0% East African(UK average 0.3%, Irish average 0.1%)

[~Elizabeth~]

Eurogenes K8
59.2% North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture)
24.1% Maritime Neolithic
12.6% Anatolian Neolithic
01.4% Sub-Saharan African
01.3% South Asian
01.0% East Asian
00.0% East African
00.0% North Eurasian





Euro_Test_K7.Q
68.6% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
15.1% Middle Eastern
11.8% Caucasus
01.8% South Asian
01.3% East Asian
01.0% Sub-Saharan African
00.1% North Asian


Euro_Test_K6.Q
73.05% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
19.20% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
05.00% South Asian
01.30% East Asian
01.11% Sub-Saharan African
00.32% North Asian

[Barreldriver]

US83/Me K8

Huntah Gathrah Powwah, even if only lil over a half breed. :P

28.6905% Maritime Neolithic
58.5711% North European Hunter Gatherer (+Neolithic admixture)
10.0799% Anatolian Neolithic
0.6888% Sub-Saharan African
0.001% North Eurasian
0.001% East African
0.4113% East Asian
1.5565% South Asian

[poiuytrewq0987]

RS1
46.60% - North European hunter gatherer + neolithic admixture
26.86% - Maritime Neolithic
21.96% - Anatolian Neolithic
02.15% - East African
01.34% - North Eurasian
01.06% - East Asian

[Rochefaton]

Here are my new results:

North European hunter-gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture): 63.08%
Maritime Neolithic: 24.73%
Anatolian Neolithic: 9.38%
South Asian: 2%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.40%
North Eurasian: 0.38%
East African: 0.05%
East Asian: 0%

[Graham]

^^^ Close to the British/Irish average. :)

[Dr. van Winkle]

To better visualize the K=8 population averages (http://www.box.com/s/f1b1d1cf295a701c9626), I calculated an Euclidean distance matrix and plotted this dendrogram based on it. You can see in the dendrogram how the Eurogenes populations cluster together:

http://www.human-diversity.com/dna/dendrogram-k8-eurogenes.png

[Barreldriver]

HvF1.12.Q

US83

3.7119% Anatolian Farmer
54.996% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
0% Middle Eastern Herder
0% Far Eastern Farmer
1.0651% South American Hunter Gatherer
0.3297% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
0% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
0% East African Pastoralist
0.4645% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
38.9024% Mediterranean Farmer
0.5254% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
0% Bantu Farmer

[poiuytrewq0987]

HvF1.12.Q
RS1

46.51% Baltic hunter gatherer
23.66% Mediterranean farmer
15.55% Anatolian farmer
12.10% Middle Easterner herder
00.88% Far Eastern farmer
00.84% North Eurasian hunter gatherer
00.42% South American hunter gatherer

[Damião de Góis]

Great :thumb001:

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2cmq89y.jpg

[Barreldriver]

Zoomed in on my spot for the dendrogram:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/DendogramEurogenesK12SethReederUS83copy.jpg

[Graham]

That's fantastic, although I'm UK19. :P

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/uk19.png

[Pallantides]

http://i.imgur.com/NmNcC.png
http://i.imgur.com/jHZgB.png

[Patches]

http://www.human-diversity.com/dna/k12_patches.png

[Graham]

HvF2.12.Q Eurogenes
60.50% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
37.87% Mediterranean Farmer
1.08% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
0.28% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
0.25% South American Hunter Gatherer
0.00% Anatolian Farmer
0.00% Middle Eastern Herder
0.00% Bantu Farmer
0.00% East Asian Farmer
0.00% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
0.00% East African Pastoralist
0.00% North Eurasian Farmer

[Dr. van Winkle]

HvF2.12.Q Eurogenes

54.83% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
32.56% Mediterranean Farmer
9.56% Anatolian Farmer
1.04% Middle Eastern Herder
0.97% East African Pastoralist
0.57% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
0.40% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
0.05% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
0.0% East Asian Farmer
0.0% South American Hunter Gatherer
0.0% Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
0.0% Bantu Farmer

[Pallantides]

HvF2.12.Q

Baltic Hunter Gatherer 72.98%
Mediterranean Farmer 24.98%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 1.11%
East Asian Farmer 0.86%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.04%
Anatolian Farmer 0.00%
Middle Eastern Herder 0.00%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.00%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.00%
East African Pastoralist 0.00%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.00%
Bantu Farmer 0.00%

[poiuytrewq0987]

HvF2.12.Q
MK1

49.27% Baltic hunter gatherer
19.67% Mediterranean farmer
16.20% Middle Easterner herder
13.21% Anatolian farmer
00.73% East Asian farmer
00.47% North Eurasian farmer
00.42% South American hunter gatherer

[~Elizabeth~]

HvF1.12.Q
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.13%
Mediterranean Farmer 32.38%
Anatolian Farmer 06.46%
Bantu Farmer 00.87%
Middle Eastern Herder 00.82%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 00.76%
East Asian Farmer 00.72%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 00.51%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 00.21%
South American Hunter Gatherer 00.09%
North Eurasian Farmer 00.00%
East African Pastoralist 00.00%


~~~~~~~~~~~~


HvF2.12.Q
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.22%
Mediterranean Farmer 32.21%
Anatolian Farmer 06.55%
Middle Eastern Herder 00.78%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 00.77%
Bantu Farmer 00.75%
East Asian Farmer 00.71%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 00.53%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 00.26%
East African Pastoralist 00.09%
South American Hunter Gatherer 00.09%
North Eurasian Farmer 00.00%

[Jerry]

My grandmother's Eurogenes k12b from GEDmatch. her results just came in and she is not part of the project.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5786/58711574.jpg

[~Elizabeth~]

^ Wow that's a lot of Finnish ancestry. Does she actually have known Finnish ancestry?


Here is my Gedmatch Eurogenes K12 pie chart (I don't recall if I already posted it here or not)
http://i42.tinypic.com/xpyal3.jpg
I have no known Finnish ancestry, but it says I'm 15% Finnish.
I do have 23andme matches from Finland (predicted as 5th cousins).
My guess is if it's real, it may be connected to my Czechoslovakian side, which can be traced back only as far as the late 1800s/early 1900s. I have 5th cousin matches from Slovakia and the Czech Republic too.

[Pallantides]

^ Wow that's a lot of Finnish ancestry. Does she actually have known Finnish ancestry?


Well Jerry is Finnish:)

[Jerry]

Well Jerry is Finnish:)

Yes, correct hehe :) So I guess the tables turn in the sense that it's rather small Finnish ancestry for a Finn.

[orangepulp]

HvF2.12.Q

62.27%Anatolian Farmer
16.41% Mediterranean Farmer
13.40% Middle Eastern Herder
2.93% North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
2.69% East Asian Farmer
1.11%Baltic Hunter Gatherer
0.59% East African Pastoralist
0.55% Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
0.00% South Asian Hunter Gatherer
0.00%South American Hunter Gatherer
0.00%Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
0.00% Bantu Farmer

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4055/treexg.jpg

[~Elizabeth~]

http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/

Eurogenes Update:



Monday, April 23, 2012
Eurogenes ADMIXTURE utilities at Gedmatch

Gedmatch now features a series of ancestry tests based on my experiments with the ADMIXTURE software. The K9 to K12 are basically part of a single package, and specifically designed for people with recent ancestry from north of the Alps and Carpathians. However, the K9 will be useful for many other individuals. Also, I'll be sending the Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer allele frequencies to Jon at Gedmatch next week, and that test pretty much covers the entire planet.

The K9 to K12 tests don't suffer from the usual "calculator effect", whereby project members get somewhat different scores from non-members of exactly the same ancestry (the K12b still suffers from this effect, but I'll fix that soon). In other words, all results are directly comparable, and I encourage all users to swap notes vigorously. However, it's important to understand that you won't see dramatic differences in the levels of the inta-North European components. That's because they're largely based on very similar allele frequencies, and separated by low Fst (genetic) distances. Indeed, note the progression from one North European cluster at K9, to four at K12 (North Sea, South Baltic, Volga-Ural and Western European). Generally speaking, the four northern clusters at K12 can be thought of as a subset of the K9 cluster.

Thus, if you're looking for a fairly clean cut summation of your ancestry, then take the results from K9, where genetic differentiation between the clusters is greatest. But I think the K10 to K12 are more useful as genome and chromosome paintings, and that's precisely because they're not as clean cut. As a result, much of your genome won't be covered in just one color, but in a mosaic of colors. Studying these patterns at local level, and cross checking the information with other results, like Ancestry Finder data from 23andMe, might be a useful way of pinpointing segments from very specific parts of Europe.

I'll post more details about the K9 to K12 clusters, including frequencies in various populations, Fst (genetic) distance tables, and hopefully maps, at a later date. So please check this post for updates within a few days.


http://www.gedmatch.com/

[Polako]

OK, here we go...

Eurogenes ADMIXTURE utilities at Gedmatch (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/eurogenes-admixture-utilities-at.html)

The tests are up.

[orangepulp]

^^

We all posted the results in this thread:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=856461#post856461

But I'll post it here too:

MDLP K=12 Admixture Proportions

Caucasian 45.1%
Paleo_Mediterranean 26.3%
Altaic_Turkic 7.0%
South_Central_Asian 6.6%
Celto_Germanic 4.4%
Iberian 3.2%
East_European 2.8%
Balto_Finnic 1.4%
Volga_Uralic 1.1%
Paleo_North_European 0.9%
Uralic_Permic 0.8%
Paleo_Balkanic 0.3%

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1763/orangek12.jpg

[Polako]

^ Those results are from Vadim's K12, not mine.

[Graham]

Looks good, ta


K12

36.0% North Sea
29.6% Western European
10.8% South Baltic
10.3% Mediterranean
8.3% Volga-Ural
3.3% Caucasus
0.9% Southwest Asian
0.4% South Asian
0.2% North Amerindian + Arctic
0.0% Siberian
0.0% East Asian
0.0% West African

K12b
57.4% North_Atlantic
22.1% Atlantic_Mediterranean
10.5% Finnish
3.6%South_Baltic
2.6% Southwest_Asian
2.3% West_Central_Asian
1.2% Caucasus
0.1% North_Asian
0.1% East_African
0.1% South_Asian
0.1%West_African
0.1% East_Asian

[Jerry]

Me

North Sea 32.3%
South Baltic 24.9%
Volga-Ural 18.2%
Western European 14.9%
Siberian 3.4%
Mediterranean 2.9%
Caucasus 1.2%
South Asian 0.6%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.5%
Southwest Asian 0.4%
East Asian 0.4%
West African 0.2%

My paternal grandmother

North Sea 34.2%
South Baltic 21.7%
Western European 18.0%
Volga-Ural 14.7%
Mediterranean 3.7%
Siberian 2.5%
Caucasus 1.4%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.5%
South Asian 0.9%
Southwest Asian 0.6%
East Asian 0.6%
West African 0.3%

Interesting that my South-Baltic is bigger than my grandmother's and also not sure what is up with her 1.5% North Amerindian+Arctic

[Polako]

^ Interesting, I was expecting some Arctic to show up in some Finns.

BTW, the K10 to K12 are more for the chromosome paintings, while the K9 is the one for overall scores.

Also, the K12b is the old one. I'll do a new one next week.

[Pallantides]

K=9

North European 76.3%
Mediterranean 17.9%
Caucasus 2.9%
Siberian 1.3%
South Asian 0.6%
East Asian 0.5%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.3%
Southwest Asian 0.2%
West African 0.1%

http://i.imgur.com/qPROP.png

K=12

North Sea 35.5%
Western European 28.7%
South Baltic 16.8%
Volga-Ural 10.7%
Mediterranean 4.7%
Caucasus 2.1%
Siberian 0.6%
East Asian 0.3%
South Asian 0.3%
Southwest Asian 0.2%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.2%
West African -

http://i.imgur.com/RkmwY.png

[Polako]

Here's an idea...download all the paintings, from K9 to K12, and then view them like an animation using the default Windows image viewer.

It's fascinating how the North Euro cluster breaks up into four different clusters from K9 to K12.

[Polako]

Hey linkus, what are you getting on these tests?

[noricum]

K=9
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/EK9.png

K=10
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/EK10.png

K=11
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/EK11.png

K=12
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/EK12.png

K=12b
http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/roapazeinli/EK12b.png

[poiuytrewq0987]

K9

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/gedK9.png

K10

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/gedK10.png

K11

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/gedK11.png

K12

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/gedk12.png

K12b

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/innocent456/k12b.png

[Patches]

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/EURO9.png

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/EURO10.png

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/euro11.png

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/euro12.png

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/euro12b.png

[Rochefaton]

http://i48.tinypic.com/ehhj87.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2lst8w5.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/35b60ch.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/21dprhc.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zthiqu.jpg

[~Elizabeth~]

Eurogenes K9 Admixture Proportions
Population
South Asian 1.4%
Caucasus 8.4%
Southwest Asian 1.6%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.5%
Siberian 0.4%
Mediterranean 24.9%
East Asian 0.3%
West African 0.7%
North European 61.8%
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

K10
Population
South Asian 1.3%
Caucasus 8.3%
Southwest Asian 1.6%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.4%
Siberian 0.4%
Mediterranean 15.8%
East Asian 0.3%
West African 0.6%
East European 24.1%
North Atlantic 47.1%
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

K11
Population
South Asian 1.1%
Caucasus 7.8%
Southwest Asian 1.5%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.3%
Siberian 0.2%
Mediterranean 15.0%
East Asian 0.2%
West African 0.6%
Volga-Ural 10.3%
South Baltic 18.0%
North Atlantic 45.1%

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

K12
Population
South Asian 1.0%
Caucasus 7.2%
Southwest Asian 1.5%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.3%
Siberian 0.2%
Mediterranean 13.9%
East Asian 0.2%
West African 0.6%
Volga-Ural 8.8%
South Baltic 14.3%
Western European 23.5%
North Sea 28.7%

[orangepulp]

^ Those results are from Vadim's K12, not mine.

Sorry I got your results now:

K9

Caucasus 54.57%
Mediterranean 17.98%
Southwest Asian 11.97%
North European 7.16%
Siberian 2.93%
South Asian 2.43%
East Asian 2.42%
West African 0.53%
North Amerindian + Arctic -

K10

Caucasus 53.87%
Mediterranean 17.54%
Southwest Asian 11.64%
North Atlantic 5.94%
Siberian 2.89%
East European 2.76%
East Asian 2.43%
South Asian 2.39%
West African 0.54%
North Amerindian + Arctic -

K11

Caucasus 52.82%
Mediterranean 17.23%
Southwest Asian 11.60%
North Atlantic 4.32%
Volga-Ural 4.26%
Siberian 2.63%
East Asian 2.42%
South Asian 2.25%
South Baltic 1.95%
West African 0.51%
North Amerindian + Arctic -

K12

Caucasus 52.30%
Mediterranean 16.68%
Southwest Asian 11.51%
North Sea 4.22%
Western European 3.80%
Volga-Ural 2.96%
Siberian 2.67%
East Asian 2.43%
South Asian 2.24%
South Baltic 0.69%
West African 0.50%
North Amerindian + Arctic -

[xajapa]

Looks good, ta


K12

36.0% North Sea
29.6% Western European
10.8% South Baltic
10.3% Mediterranean
8.3% Volga-Ural
3.3% Caucasus
0.9% Southwest Asian
0.4% South Asian
0.2% North Amerindian + Arctic
0.0% Siberian
0.0% East Asian
0.0% West African

K12b
57.4% North_Atlantic
22.1% Atlantic_Mediterranean
10.5% Finnish
3.6%South_Baltic
2.6% Southwest_Asian
2.3% West_Central_Asian
1.2% Caucasus
0.1% North_Asian
0.1% East_African
0.1% South_Asian
0.1%West_African
0.1% East_Asian

Hey Graham, are you exclusively Scottish? I see your Finnish reading is somewhat large. Do you attribute this to your Scottish ancestry, or is it due to your "Norse" heritage?

[Atlantic Islander]

K9

http://i45.tinypic.com/2r2n29i.jpg

K10

http://i49.tinypic.com/2m5ib75.jpg

K11

http://i49.tinypic.com/15364o8.jpg

K12

http://i47.tinypic.com/2qx72f9.jpg

K12b

http://i48.tinypic.com/kd1gtx.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

And here are the Paintings:

k9

http://i45.tinypic.com/209odis.jpg

k10

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ymh8x4.jpg

k11

http://i49.tinypic.com/do525e.jpg

k12

http://i46.tinypic.com/24yn0cx.jpg

k12b

http://i49.tinypic.com/15d494z.jpg