Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Kazimiera]

You could at least try and ask him to include you. You never know, maybe he will.

I did. A while ago. He said I must wait until submissions are open again. Tough luck for me then. :)

[Mark]

I did. A while ago. He said I must wait until submissions are open again. Tough luck for me then. :)
I was told the same thing. :(

[Jackson]

Eastpole posted some PCAs on ABF, haven't put all of them here but the first few:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/1pca12_L.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/1pca121.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/1pca13.jpg

[Jackson]

Here are my K19 results - It picks up the Italian-like ancestry (unknown though) very clearly. It's quite a sensitive test which is really useful:

North Sea - 42.36%
Western European - 31.45%
Italian - 25.95%
West African - 2.18%

All others 0%

Had it kindly pointed out that my West African is actually 0.218% rather than 2.18%:

North Sea - 42.36%
Western European - 31.45%
Italian - 25.95%
West African - 0.21%

[sgc2009]

My mother's K19 results:

North Sea: 41.01%
Western European: 31.2%
Balkan: 25.31%
Eastern European: 2.47%

And here are my maternal grandmother's results:

Western European: 44.82%
North Sea: 32.84%
Balkan: 16.43%
South Baltic: 5.9%

I wonder what's up with the Balkan score, though it appears to be found in some Brits, French and central Europeans aswell.

[Insuperable]

And here are my maternal grandmother's results:

Western European: 44.82%
North Sea: 32.84%
Balkan: 16.43%
South Baltic: 5.9%

I wonder what's up with the Balkan score, though it appears to be found in some Brits, French and central Europeans aswell.

Poor people

[7eleven]

Eastpole posted some PCAs on ABF, haven't put all of them here but the first few:

Interesting, I am US247 and I am inbetween North Europeans and Iberians.

[A1234567]

MDLP World-22 (http://abload.de/img/mlp22_mfa_g7u9m.png)

West Eurasia K13
http://abload.de/img/westeurasia_k13_mfa_74um4.png

Looks like I'm with Poles and Ukrainians again. Thanks for posting this.

[Kazimiera]

K9

North European 68.11%
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Mediterranean 18.41%
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Caucasus 5.92%
West African 2.86%
South Asian 2.38%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.04%
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East Asian 0.81%
Siberian 0.47%
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Southwest Asian -



K10

North Atlantic 43.05%
East European 32.91%
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Mediterranean 10.68%
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Caucasus 6.06%
West African 2.85%
South Asian 2.39%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.10%
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East Asian 0.74%
Siberian 0.22%
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Southwest Asian -


K11

North Atlantic 41.02%
South Baltic 25.16%
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Volga-Ural 12.14%
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Mediterranean 9.71%
Caucasus 5.63%
West African 2.80%
South Asian 2.14%
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North Amerindian + Arctic 0.97%
East Asian 0.44%
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Southwest Asian -
Siberian -


K12

North Sea 26.81%
Western European 21.42%
South Baltic 21.26%
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Volga-Ural 10.55%
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Mediterranean 8.56%
Caucasus 5.18%
West African 2.77%
South Asian 2.09%
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North Amerindian + Arctic 0.94%
East Asian 0.43%
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Southwest Asian -
Siberian -


K12b

North European 32.87%
Western European 31.02%
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Mediterranean 11.61%
Finnish 10.70%
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Caucasus 5.20%
West African 2.90%
West Central Asian 2.68%
South Asian 1.71%
East Asian 1.11%
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Siberian 0.21%
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East African -
Southwest Asian -


K13

North European 56.91%
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Mediterranean 22.63%
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Caucasus 6.90%
West Central Asian 3.81%
West African 2.74%
South Asian 2.09%
Southwest Asian 1.65%
East Siberian 1.19%
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Amerindian 0.85%
East Asian 0.77%
Northeast African 0.25%
Pygmy 0.20%
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North Eurasian -

[SSlava]

Eurogenes K9 Admixture Proportions

North European 78.43%
Mediterranean 13.13%
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Caucasus 4.07%
Southwest Asian 2.01%
Siberian 1.73%
East Asian 0.62%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
West African -
South Asian -

Eurogenes K10 Admixture Proportions
East European 53.29%
North Atlantic 28.19%
Mediterranean 10.63%
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Caucasus 4.37%
Southwest Asian 1.62%
Siberian 1.45%
East Asian 0.45%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
South Asian -
West African -

Eurogenes K12
South Baltic 33.60%
Volga-Ural 21.11%
Western European 17.05%
North Sea 16.29%
---------------------------------
Mediterranean 7.54%
Caucasus 2.90%
Southwest Asian 1.03%
Siberian 0.32%
East Asian 0.16%
South Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic -
West African -
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Eurogenes K12b Admixture Proportions
North European 50.49%
Western European 21.07%
Mediterranean 10.82%
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Finnish 8.70%
Caucasus 4.56%
Southwest Asian 2.57%
Siberian 1.28%
East Asian 0.51%
East African -
West Central Asian -
South Asian -
West African -

[Armatus]

K9
North European 58.35%
Mediterranean 28.08%
Caucasus 7.56%
Southwest Asian 5.90%
Arctic 0.07%

K10
North Atlantic 50.16%
East European 18.61%
Mediterranean 17.86%
Caucasus 7.58%
Southwest Asian 5.78%

K11
North Atlantic 48.31%
Mediterranean 17.43%
South Baltic 13.63%
Volga-Ural 8.17%
Caucasus 7.00%
Southwest Asian 5.47%

K12
North Sea 31.67%
Western European 23.63%
Mediterranean 16.23%
South Baltic 9.97%
Caucasus 6.64%
Volga-Ural 6.39%
Southwest Asian 5.47%

K12b
Western European 39.53%
North European 20.47%
Mediterranean 18.25%
Finnish 6.71%
Caucasus 6.19%
Southwest Asian 5.29%
West Central Asian 3.30%
East African 0.25%

K13
North European 50.87%
Mediterranean 30.94%
Caucasus 6.94%
West Central Asian 5.40%
Southwest Asian 4.72%
Northeast African 0.88%
Amerindian 0.19%
East Siberian 0.05%

[Jackson]

K9
North European 58.35%
Mediterranean 28.08%
Caucasus 7.56%
Southwest Asian 5.90%
Arctic 0.07%

K10
North Atlantic 50.16%
East European 18.61%
Mediterranean 17.86%
Caucasus 7.58%
Southwest Asian 5.78%

K11
North Atlantic 48.31%
Mediterranean 17.43%
South Baltic 13.63%
Volga-Ural 8.17%
Caucasus 7.00%
Southwest Asian 5.47%

K12
North Sea 31.67%
Western European 23.63%
Mediterranean 16.23%
South Baltic 9.97%
Caucasus 6.64%
Volga-Ural 6.39%
Southwest Asian 5.47%

K12b
Western European 39.53%
North European 20.47%
Mediterranean 18.25%
Finnish 6.71%
Caucasus 6.19%
Southwest Asian 5.29%
West Central Asian 3.30%
East African 0.25%

K13
North European 50.87%
Mediterranean 30.94%
Caucasus 6.94%
West Central Asian 5.40%
Southwest Asian 4.72%
Northeast African 0.88%
Amerindian 0.19%
East Siberian 0.05%

Welcome to the forum. Did you do the EUtest/Jtest and the various oracle options also? They are quite interesting.

[~Elizabeth~]

Eurogenes K36 results from Gedmatch


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.07%
Basque 3.21%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.60%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.14%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.45%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.11%
Fennoscandian 10.55%
French 6.76%
Iberian 11.00%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.16%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.25%
North_Caucasian 5.95%
North_Sea 24.16%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.29%
Omotic 0.68%
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.60%

[Armatus]

Welcome to the forum. Did you do the EUtest/Jtest and the various oracle options also? They are quite interesting.

Thanks for the welcome. I actually did the Jtest&EUtest with the options:

Jtest/EUtest
North Central Euro 27.33% / 27.54%
Atlantic 20.50% / 20.96%
West Med 14.66% / 15.06%
South Baltic 11.30 / 11.35%
East Euro 9.10 / 9.37%
East Med 8.08% / 8.94%
West Asian 3.40% / 3.89%
Ashkenazi 3.38%* / -.--%
Middle Eastern 2.26% / 2.89%

*Impossible in my opinion, i have a large pedigree and there´s not a single jew or jewish name in it and with nearly 4% something like that should show up.

Oracle:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_&_Central_German @ 7.844
2 FR @ 8.432
3 NL @ 8.457
4 English @ 9.323

Pct. Calc. Option 2
1 West_&_Central_German 42.55%
2 DK 17.24%

Pretty clear results, seems like these calculators work pretty well.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Eurogenes K9b, the Northern European admixture is not consistent with other tests.

Population
Southwest_Asian 35.80%
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian -
Mediterranean 44.77%
North_European 19.15%
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.25%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -

[Damião de Góis]

Eurogenes K9b, the Northern European admixture is not consistent with other tests.


I think it came out inflated for everyone. Or it's mislabeled.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I think it came out inflated for everyone. Or it's mislabeled.

Either that, or the population used to represent "North_European" is heavily admixed with other components.

[Black Wolf]

I think it came out inflated for everyone. Or it's mislabeled.

Here is what Polako had to say about it when I asked him why it was producing strange results ie. extra high North European scores for people who usually do not score nearly as high in that component.

''It's not designed to show ancestry proportions. It's made for this...

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html''

[Black Wolf]

So basically the K9b is not good as an ADMIXTURE test. Do not take it seriously. Use his other calculators at GEDmatch instead.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

So basically the K9b is not good as an ADMIXTURE test. Do not take it seriously. Use his other calculators at GEDmatch instead.

For some admixture values it does, but for others it isn't. Such as my elevated "North European" input.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Here is what Polako had to say about it when I asked him why it was producing strange results ie. extra high North European scores for people who usually do not score nearly as high in that component.

''It's not designed to show ancestry proportions. It's made for this...

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/coming-soon-geographic-population.html''

Even then it's not accurate, my top population is Lezgins. Which I'm not close to at all in other tests.

[Black Wolf]

Even then it's not accurate, my top population is Lezgins. Which I'm not close to at all in other tests.

So basically it seems not to be good at all then.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

So basically it seems not to be good at all then.

It might be more accurate if you upload your raw data file to it, but even then I'm not sure. They only use ten populations in their reference set. It seems to only yield precise results for Sardinian villagers.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Attention everyone, there is a new test available for the Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project on GED Match. It's an upgraded version of the EUtest, called Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.97
2 West_Asian 32.11
3 West_Med 8.77
4 Red_Sea 8.28
5 North_Sea 6.12
6 Eastern_Euro 2.78
7 South_Asian 2.15
8 Oceanian 0.77
9 Northeast_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 4.74
2 Armenian 6.98
3 Lebanese_Muslim 11.06
4 Kurdish 11.97
5 Turkish 12.65
6 Syrian 13.06
7 Iranian 13.5
8 Lebanese_Christian 14.28
9 Cyprian 14.74
10 Lebanese_Druze 15.26
11 Samaritan 16.68
12 Jordanian 17.92
13 Palestinian 19.11
14 Sephardic_Jewish 21.73
15 Bedouin 22.47
16 Ashkenazi 23.26
17 Kumyk 24.31
18 Georgian 25.9
19 Adygei 28.36
20 Egyptian 28.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.7% Armenian + 15.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.62
2 70.2% Armenian + 29.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.82
3 71.9% Armenian + 28.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.95
4 74.2% Armenian + 25.8% Samaritan @ 4.13
5 76.9% Armenian + 23.1% Palestinian @ 4.16
6 85.4% Armenian + 14.6% Saudi @ 4.2
7 73.5% Assyrian + 26.5% Armenian @ 4.31
8 76.6% Armenian + 23.4% Jordanian @ 4.55
9 95.8% Assyrian + 4.2% Lezgin @ 4.58
10 95.6% Assyrian + 4.4% Georgian @ 4.59
11 96.4% Assyrian + 3.6% Abhkasian @ 4.62
12 96.8% Assyrian + 3.2% Chechen @ 4.63
13 96.1% Assyrian + 3.9% Kumyk @ 4.64
14 98.5% Assyrian + 1.5% Norwegian @ 4.66
15 98.5% Assyrian + 1.5% Orcadian @ 4.66
16 97.2% Assyrian + 2.8% Balkar @ 4.67
17 97.2% Assyrian + 2.8% Adygei @ 4.67
18 98.6% Assyrian + 1.4% Swedish @ 4.68
19 98.6% Assyrian + 1.4% Dutch @ 4.68
20 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% Papuan @ 4.68

[amerinese]

Me:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 23.75
2 Atlantic 21.63
3 Southeast_Asian 14.96
4 West_Med 7.75
5 Baltic 7.14
6 Siberian 6.59
7 West_Asian 6.54
8 Eastern_Euro 5.17
9 East_Med 2.59
10 Oceanian 1.32
11 Amerindian 1.18
12 South_Asian 0.55
13 Red_Sea 0.5
14 Sub-Saharan 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 20.05
2 German 20.29
3 Southwest_English 21.59
4 Austrian 21.75
5 Southeast_English 21.8
6 Dutch 22
7 Danish 22.19
8 Hungarian 22.28
9 Irish 22.5
10 Serbian 22.52
11 West_Scottish 22.83
12 Spanish_Galicia 22.96
13 Spanish_Cataluna 22.98
14 Orcadian 23.32
15 North_Swedish 23.34
16 Portuguese 23.37
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.57
18 Norwegian 23.61
19 Swedish 23.78
20 Spanish_Murcia 23.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% German + 24% Tu @ 4.55
2 77.1% German + 22.9% Japanese @ 4.55
3 74.8% Southwest_English + 25.2% Tu @ 4.59
4 74.6% Southeast_English + 25.4% Tu @ 4.78
5 76% Southwest_English + 24% Japanese @ 4.83
6 77.8% German + 22.2% Naxi @ 4.91
7 77.9% German + 22.1% Yizu @ 4.96
8 75.9% Southeast_English + 24.1% Japanese @ 5.06
9 76.7% Southwest_English + 23.3% Naxi @ 5.29
10 76.8% Southwest_English + 23.2% Yizu @ 5.36
11 76.5% Southeast_English + 23.5% Naxi @ 5.5
12 76.6% Southeast_English + 23.4% Yizu @ 5.57
13 76.1% German + 23.9% Xibo @ 5.58
14 74.9% Southwest_English + 25.1% Xibo @ 5.62
15 74.2% Irish + 25.8% Tu @ 5.75
16 74.7% Southeast_English + 25.3% Xibo @ 5.79
17 76.5% German + 23.5% Hezhen @ 5.8
18 75.3% Southwest_English + 24.7% Hezhen @ 5.9
19 77.7% French + 22.3% Japanese @ 5.97
20 76.6% French + 23.4% Tu @ 6.03


Paternal grandmother:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 30.94
2 North_Sea 30.7
3 Baltic 8.89
4 West_Med 8.72
5 Eastern_Euro 8.34
6 West_Asian 7.13
7 South_Asian 1.37
8 East_Med 1.27
9 Oceanian 0.8
10 Southeast_Asian 0.76
11 Amerindian 0.69
12 Sub-Saharan 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 5.66
2 Southwest_English 5.97
3 Irish 6.56
4 German 6.61
5 Danish 7.04
6 West_Scottish 7.21
7 Dutch 8.47
8 French 9.89
9 Orcadian 10.03
10 Norwegian 12.06
11 Swedish 13.07
12 North_Swedish 14.79
13 Austrian 15.28
14 Spanish_Cataluna 16.16
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.39
16 Southwest_Finnish 17.4
17 Hungarian 17.49
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.49
19 Portuguese 17.95
20 Spanish_Cantabria 18.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Southeast_English + 7.9% Balkar @ 3.96
2 92.5% Southeast_English + 7.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.98
3 92% Southeast_English + 8% Chechen @ 4.02
4 92.4% Southeast_English + 7.6% Adygei @ 4.05
5 93.7% Southeast_English + 6.3% Abhkasian @ 4.14
6 93.5% Southeast_English + 6.5% Georgian @ 4.22
7 91.5% Southeast_English + 8.5% Nogay @ 4.23
8 92.2% Southeast_English + 7.8% Kumyk @ 4.25
9 91.7% Southeast_English + 8.3% Tadjik @ 4.28
10 92.4% Southeast_English + 7.6% Lezgin @ 4.3
11 90.6% Irish + 9.4% Balkar @ 4.4
12 93.7% Southeast_English + 6.3% Balochi @ 4.46
13 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% Burusho @ 4.47
14 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% Brahui @ 4.48
15 91% Irish + 9% Adygei @ 4.52
16 92.3% Irish + 7.7% Abhkasian @ 4.53
17 92.2% Southwest_English + 7.8% Chechen @ 4.54
18 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% Makrani @ 4.54
19 92.7% Southwest_English + 7.3% North_Ossetian @ 4.55
20 91.3% Irish + 8.7% North_Ossetian @ 4.55

[Scarlet Ibis]

1 76% German + 24% Tu @ 4.55
2 77.1% German + 22.9% Japanese @ 4.55


Close

[Scarlet Ibis]

My results:

1 Southeast_Asian 34.42
2 Atlantic 16.96
3 Siberian 16.39
4 North_Sea 14.85
5 Baltic 6.29
6 Eastern_Euro 5.81
7 West_Med 5.29

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur @ 28.217
2 Hazara @ 34.091
3 Uzbeki @ 34.551
4 Mongolian @ 37.733
5 Tu @ 38.777
6 Xibo @ 38.848
7 Altaian @ 40.068
8 Hezhen @ 40.195
9 Hakas @ 40.592
10 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 40.799


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Japanese +50% Southeast_English @ 5.461
2 50% Japanese +50% Southwest_English @ 5.523
3 50% Irish +50% Japanese @ 5.619
4 50% Danish +50% Japanese @ 5.777
5 50% Japanese +50% West_Scottish @ 5.865
6 50% German +50% Japanese @ 6.068
7 50% Dutch +50% Japanese @ 6.517
8 50% Southeast_English +50% Tu @ 6.519
9 50% Southwest_English +50% Tu @ 6.582
10 50% Naxi +50% Southeast_English @ 6.627

My Mom's Results:

1 Southeast_Asian 69.97
2 Siberian 30.03


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Japanese @ 4.247
2 Naxi @ 6.414
3 Yizu @ 7.883
4 Tu @ 8.171
5 Xibo @ 16.045
6 Hezhen @ 17.296
7 Tujia @ 18.453
8 Miaozu @ 21.330
9 She @ 23.262
10 Lahu @ 24.788



My dad's results:

1 North_Sea 35.83
2 Atlantic 28.03
3 Baltic 13.55
4 Eastern_Euro 10.62
5 West_Med 8.73
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 West_Asian 1.29


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 4.250
2 Danish @ 5.121
3 Irish @ 5.508
4 West_Scottish @ 5.673
5 Southeast_English @ 5.969
6 Southwest_English @ 6.277
7 Orcadian @ 6.650
8 Norwegian @ 6.990
9 German @ 7.030
10 Swedish @ 8.038

[Equilibrium]

Attention everyone, there is a new test available for the Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project on GED Match. It's an upgraded version of the EUtest, called Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15.

There is already a seperate thread for this test: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96710-Post-your-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-results

[evon]

No major things to report, except i see my grandmother getting 1% south Asian and alittle SE Asian, while me and my uncle get around 1,3-1,5% SE Asian and much less South Asian, which seems weird, i think there might be a overlapping of components here, giving a false image..

[Scarlet Ibis]

There is already a seperate thread for this test: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96710-Post-your-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-results

Oops. Could a mod perhaps move these results posts into that thread?

[Equilibrium]

Oops. Could a mod perhaps move these results posts into that thread?

Just copy them over like Amerinese did. :)

[Atlantic Islander]

http://imageshack.com/a/img203/5691/tp3t.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img23/1199/4d2x.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img560/3708/oldk.png

[Mark]

http://i.imgur.com/DXA8bxl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HfHk1HN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2HZibhO.jpg

[Argang]

Eurogenes K13-results for an Australian aboriginal, Clovis amerindian, Mal'ta boy and ancient eskimo.

http://i61.tinypic.com/303fyx4.jpg

[Argang]

PCA of Mal'ta boy and Siberians vs West Eurasians, courtesy of Polako. Some obvious trends visible here.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ppfujq.jpg


West Eurasians and Mal'ta without Siberians:

http://i57.tinypic.com/mhr6z5.jpg

[Argang]

Eurogenes K13 results La_Brana-1 hunter-gatherer from mesolithic Iberia. Both North European-likeness compared to modern Iberians and East Eurasian shift is clearly visible. I expect that Mesolithic Swedish hunter-gatherers would turn out like this too.

North Atlantic 37.24
Baltic 44.07
West Med 0.3
West Asian 0
East Med 0
Red Sea 0
South Asian 0.02
East Asian 10.24
Siberian 2.46
Amerindian 0.42
Oceanian 5.24
Northeast African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

[gold_fenix]

This mesolithic would be a mixture more or less equal of Paleolithic european (baltic) and first neolithic invasor (North atlantic)

[Insuperable]

This mesolithic would be a mixture more or less equal of Paleolithic european (baltic) and first neolithic invasor (North atlantic)

Not North Atlantic, but pred. West Med is attributed to early neolithic invaders. About admix of Paleolithic samples we can only guess.

[Graham]

Where did you get the K13 results La_Brana-1. Any K15?

It looks different to any other European population.

[Argang]

Where did you get the K13 results La_Brana-1. Any K15?

It looks different to any other European population.

Got the K13 numbers from Polako's blog.

He doesn't cluster with modern Europeans or Siberians on Europe+Siberia PCA, though he is between Tatars and Kargopol Russians in Dimension 1 - the dimension that catches the most variation and shows the difference between Siberians and Europeans. Dimension 2 in that PCA probably shows Middle Eastern influence given Bedouins are opposite to La_Brana-1, who is far beyond all Europeans.

He is between Kargopol Russians and Tatars on the global PCA too, this time in both dimensions. Hopefully there'll be further analysis.

[Graham]

Can check the AHC to check the closest European population(only using euro populations) on excel with K13. Give me 30 mins. :)

[Graham]

La Brana. Closer to Finland & Estonia. But own branch.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/Labrana_zpsc755f827.jpg

[Argang]

La Brana. Closer to Finland & Estonia. But own branch.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/Labrana_zpsc755f827.jpg

Makes sense I guess. In this PCA with only Europeans to compare with and thus no extra-european affinities to consider, La Braña in upper left corner has a peak in primary northern (dimension 1, vertical) and secondary western (dimension 2, horizontal) components. The western dimension makes sense given his location in Iberia. In dim1 Finns are closest to him, in dim2 Basques and British Islanders are closest. Scandinavians, Swedes especially, are intermediate between aforementioned groups.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQM0tGWm1EVVJmWjg/edit?pli=1
http://oi62.tinypic.com/4izkg3.jpg

[Argang]

This PCA is based on Eurogenes K13 results of La Braña-1, Mal'ta boy, and Europeans. This makes it more of an approximation than the previous PCA, which is based on genomes themselves, but the general picture we get on La Braña still looks reasonably accurate.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p217/dpwes/Eurogenes_K13_five_ancient_genomes.png~original

[Mazik]

Eurogenes K13 results of a Norwegian Saami gedmatch relative to me:

1 Baltic 44.35
2 North_Atlantic 24.18
3 Siberian 22.75
4 South_Asian 2.77
5 Amerindian 2.44
6 West_Med 1.51
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 West_Asian 0.53
9 Sub-Saharan 0.42

EUTest K15:

1 Eastern_Euro 26.01
2 North_Sea 22.27
3 Siberian 21.43
4 Baltic 15.45
5 Atlantic 10.26
6 Amerindian 2.18
7 South_Asian 1.57
8 Oceanian 0.82

[Graham]

Loadsa Siberian & Baltic! :)

If I can be bothered to do my map, I'd include it. But have been lazy. Perhaps will try today. The Sami would go out way East probably.

[Maleficent]

Eurogenes K13 results of a Norwegian Saami gedmatch relative to me:

1 Baltic 44.35
2 North_Atlantic 24.18
3 Siberian 22.75
4 South_Asian 2.77
5 Amerindian 2.44
6 West_Med 1.51
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 West_Asian 0.53
9 Sub-Saharan 0.42

EUTest K15:

1 Eastern_Euro 26.01
2 North_Sea 22.27
3 Siberian 21.43
4 Baltic 15.45
5 Atlantic 10.26
6 Amerindian 2.18
7 South_Asian 1.57
8 Oceanian 0.82
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

lol jk

[Smeagol]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

lol jk

?

[Mazik]

Please do it graham! :) I found another Saami just before bedtime last night. I will post her results here as well.

[Mazik]

Here's the other Saami, and her K13 results:

1 Baltic 44.78
2 North_Atlantic 25.28
3 Siberian 22.22
4 Amerindian 3.13
5 South_Asian 1.46
6 East_Asian 1.25
7 Sub-Saharan 0.95
8 Oceanian 0.93

K15:

1 Eastern_Euro 27.74
2 North_Sea 24.11
3 Siberian 20.72
4 Baltic 14.6
5 Atlantic 7.58
6 Amerindian 3
7 Southeast_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.81
9 Sub-Saharan 0.32
10 South_Asian 0.14

[Argang]

Here's the other Saami, and her K13 results:

1 Baltic 44.78
2 North_Atlantic 25.28
3 Siberian 22.22
4 Amerindian 3.13
5 South_Asian 1.46
6 East_Asian 1.25
7 Sub-Saharan 0.95
8 Oceanian 0.93

K15:

1 Eastern_Euro 27.74
2 North_Sea 24.11
3 Siberian 20.72
4 Baltic 14.6
5 Atlantic 7.58
6 Amerindian 3
7 Southeast_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.81
9 Sub-Saharan 0.32
10 South_Asian 0.14

Her EEF-WHG-ANE results:

EEF 29,01530701
WHG 50,75505548
ANE 20,22963751

and for the other saami

EEF 29,37181261
WHG 50,57478162
ANE 20,05340577

High Siberian distorts the results a bit, but likely negligible regarding ANE. In the f4 test included in that Lazaridis paper, the single Saami sample they tested shared more with Mal'ta than anyone else did, even though it was also more eastern than anyone else.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Eurogenes K13 results of a Norwegian Saami gedmatch relative to me:

1 Baltic 44.35
2 North_Atlantic 24.18
3 Siberian 22.75
4 South_Asian 2.77
5 Amerindian 2.44
6 West_Med 1.51
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 West_Asian 0.53
9 Sub-Saharan 0.42

EUTest K15:

1 Eastern_Euro 26.01
2 North_Sea 22.27
3 Siberian 21.43
4 Baltic 15.45
5 Atlantic 10.26
6 Amerindian 2.18
7 South_Asian 1.57
8 Oceanian 0.82

Something tells me the bulk of that Siberian is actually ANE.

[Argang]

Something tells me the bulk of that Siberian is actually ANE.

Could be, we have yet to see a Saami - MA-1 comparison.

Looking at the lack of West Asian and mediterranean in those results, it's safe to say they'd cluster noticeably to the left of Chuvashes, Tatars, Maris etc in this PCA like this (http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ppfujq.jpg).

[Argang]

There's a new experiment going on, goal seems to be to calculate "real" ANE, ENA, Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan ancestry by fitting populations between Mal'ta, Han Chinese, Bedouins and Yoruba. I'll add a reminder that the accuracy of these results is based on the assumption that Bedouins and Han do not have any ANE. Results Polako posted so far:

Sample: ANE (MA-1), ENA (Han), ME (Bedouin), SSA (Yoruba)
Abhkasian: 0.195, 0.055, 0.75, 0
Abhkasian: 0.176, 0.055, 0.768, 0
Chechen: 0.249, 0.089, 0.662, 0
Chechen: 0.24, 0.094, 0.665, 0
Cyprian: 0.141, 0.026, 0.833, 0
Cyprian: 0.107, 0.048, 0.845, 0
Lezgin: 0.279, 0.066, 0.655, 0
Lezgin: 0.283, 0.055, 0.662, 0
Afghan_Pashtun: 0.288, 0.19, 0.521, 0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdGE5bjNCdl8yci0yNGN4TWk4M3NUWV E&usp=sharing&richtext=true&rm=full#gid=0

The Bedouin sample in the K13 test is actually 6% Northeast African (peaks in Gumuz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumuz_people) and Ari cultivators) and 3% SSA (peaks in Yoruba), so one would need to be noticeably SSA-admixed for it to show in this kind of test.

[Harkonnen]

So here's the recent update.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/ancient-north-eurasian-ane-levels.html

What I found especially noteworthy is the relatively low levels of actual ANE ancestry among Siberians, yet we know that they share rather high with Mal'ta. This must mean that their ENA-like ancestry contributes somewhat to this similarity (or at least does not seem to pull them away much) contra some other ancestries, namely South Asian, but perhaps difficult to compare with the mideastern ones -> think hat.

Similarly WHG ancestry ads to the affinity to ANE.

[Argang]

So here's the recent update.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/ancient-north-eurasian-ane-levels.html

What I found especially noteworthy is the relatively low levels of actual ANE ancestry among Siberians, yet we know that they share rather high with Mal'ta. This must mean that their ENA-like ancestry contributes somewhat to this similarity (or at least does not seem to pull them away much) contra some other ancestries, namely South Asian, but perhaps difficult to compare with the mideastern ones -> think hat.

Similarly WHG ancestry ads to the affinity to ANE.

It highlights the importance of picking optimal reference populations for this kind of test, or perhaps even lack of optimal reference populations for this kind of test. If there is ANE ancestry in general Han Chinese population - they do show higher affinity to MA-1 than Bedouins as we know from the peer-reviewed study that introduced the genome - the result will be every population with ANE getting also some ENA (Han). Even Saudis and Palestinians, which can be seen in the averages. Additionally some East Asians closest to Han average will get no ANE because the Han covers it all.

She might have been a better ENA reference population than Han looking at the f4 test in the initial MA-1 study, although not by much.

Some North Han are getting small ANE in this test, which fits as they must be more "northern" than Chinese average. Mongolians aren't included for some reason, and neither are many Siberians such as Selkups, Nganassans and Yakuts, but they should all have considerable ANE, especially the Siberians.

South Asians like Sindhi are getting 2-3% SSA/Yoruba in this test which doesn't usually happen. There must be something in there that can't be covered well by the references in this test, also reflected by them getting over 30% ANE which seems an excessive number for South Asians. Sindhi had less Ma-1 affinity in the related study's f4 test than Evens who get only 20% here. Either the Han, Bedouin and Yoruba references are improper for South Asians and result in them getting too high ANE numbers, or some ANE in Evens and related populations is hidden by something, most likely Han.

[Graham]

Using proper ancient samples is the future and has barely started. :)

[ZephyrousMandaru]

There's a new experiment going on, goal seems to be to calculate "real" ANE, ENA, Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan ancestry by fitting populations between Mal'ta, Han Chinese, Bedouins and Yoruba. I'll add a reminder that the accuracy of these results is based on the assumption that Bedouins and Han do not have any ANE. Results Polako posted so far:

Sample: ANE (MA-1), ENA (Han), ME (Bedouin), SSA (Yoruba)
Abhkasian: 0.195, 0.055, 0.75, 0
Abhkasian: 0.176, 0.055, 0.768, 0
Chechen: 0.249, 0.089, 0.662, 0
Chechen: 0.24, 0.094, 0.665, 0
Cyprian: 0.141, 0.026, 0.833, 0
Cyprian: 0.107, 0.048, 0.845, 0
Lezgin: 0.279, 0.066, 0.655, 0
Lezgin: 0.283, 0.055, 0.662, 0
Afghan_Pashtun: 0.288, 0.19, 0.521, 0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdGE5bjNCdl8yci0yNGN4TWk4M3NUWV E&usp=sharing&richtext=true&rm=full#gid=0

The Bedouin sample in the K13 test is actually 6% Northeast African (peaks in Gumuz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumuz_people) and Ari cultivators) and 3% SSA (peaks in Yoruba), so one would need to be noticeably SSA-admixed for it to show in this kind of test.

The Bedouins and Han aren't ANE free per say, but they do have the least amount of ANE, unless we have ancient DNA from the Middle East or East Asia. Both score low values for ANE typically only around 1-3% ANE. Using any other population may underestimate or overestimate ANE admixture.

[Argang]

The Bedouins and Han aren't ANE free per say, but they do have the least amount of ANE, unless we have ancient DNA from the Middle East or East Asia. Both score low values for ANE typically only around 1-3% ANE. Using any other population may underestimate or overestimate ANE admixture.

Han score low amounts of ANE in this test because they are reference samples for "ENA", so they are of course going to show up as fully or almost fully as the component they form. In formal f3-tests Han are considerably more like MA-1 and thus the "ANE" component it alone represents than Bedouins, and it can't really be said they are less ANE-like than Makrani, who get 28% ANE in the k4-admixture test with Han as ENA-reference. Balochi should be on the level of East Asians in ANE-likeness too.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/ifz7gi.jpg
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v506/n7487/fig_tab/nature13025_SF5.html

Having Han represent ENA quite clearly overestimates ANE for South Asians and/or underestimates ANE for East Asians. I would say evidence points towards something much more southern than Han being a better proxy for ENA, but I'm not confident that any current population would fully be.

edit. Polako added results for Ket and Selkup (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdGpiOXQzamJnckprc09YT3VOd1Iyd1 E&type=view&gid=0&f=true&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250&richtext=true). He doubted their accuracy due to small European ancestry in these populations, but I don't think it matters much because in fact Kets are supposed to be more like Mal'ta than any Europeans or Central Asians according to the sample's introductionary study (http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4151/zubo.png), and both Kets and Selkups are supposed to be more like MA-1 than any population in this K4-run except Karitiana. They turned out a bit more ANE than Kalash, which is OK in my book and maybe the difference could have been even bigger.

A "pure" modern siberian sample like Nganassans should be on the level of Adygei or Pathan, though in this admixture run the two have very different levels of ANE, most likely due to South Asians getting exaggarated numbers.

[Black Wolf]

Polako is now offering a service called Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Detective and is charging $90 US for it and it seems quite good. I payed for it and I am now receiving some interesting results. He is not completely done my analysis yet but here is some of what he had said about my results when I asked him about them so far.

''You appear to have around 50% North Eurasian hunter-gatherer ancestry (that's WHG + ANE). So the rest is Neolithic farmer stuff, although that contains an unknown amount (probably over 10%) of WHG-like ancestry too. I can't estimate that now, but I'll try in the near future.

And yes, the Siberian segments are very real. They're ancient, and probably linked to the spread of Uralic languages into Northeastern Europe during the metal ages, but they are the reason you're sitting left of the red line.

In fact, if I took them out of your data (or masked them), this would shift you to the right across the line.''

http://bga101.blogspot.ca/2014/03/eurogenes-genetic-ancestry-detective.html

[Black Wolf]

David says he will be releasing some new PCA plots at some point today today based on some fastIBD results. The datasheets will be released and you can check them with Past3 or Gnuplot to find your co-ordinates. He told me that I will be on them. My Eurogenes id is CA1. I do not know how to use Past3 or Gnuplot so once they are released would someone be able to look up my results for me please? I would really appreciate it.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2014/08/haplotype-based-pca-of-west-eurasia-and.html

[Black Wolf]

The new datasheets for the fastIBD PCA plots have been released. Would someone be so kind to run my results for me please? My Eurogenes id is CA1. I would really appreciate it if someone could.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2014/08/haplotype-based-pca-of-west-eurasia-and.html

Here is what David said about them below to get results.

Here are those datasheets. They should produce plots very similar to those above (West Eurasian, European and Finnish). I tried to include as many regular and not so regular contacts as possible. Apologies if I missed anyone out.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQa1ZacUxwTFZpYm8/edit?usp=sharing

You can run them with gnuplot. To get a 2D plot based on the first two components, try:

plot 'PCA1.txt' using 2:3:1 with labels

To use dimensions 1&3, try:

plot 'PCA1.txt' using 2:4:1 with labels

To get a 3D plot based on the the first three dimensions, try:

splot 'PCA1.txt' using 2:3:4:1 with labels

[Graham]

Jax I will try this weekend, I see your code their in PCA2 which is the Euro one.

Have a plot up. But because the names are all long, I'll have to try and edit them all smaller.

[sgc2009]

The new datasheets for the fastIBD PCA plots have been released. Would someone be so kind to run my results for me please? My Eurogenes id is CA1. I would really appreciate it if someone could.


http://oi59.tinypic.com/207n6vt.jpg

[Graham]

Trog is UK39 from West Scotland, Boern ex member is UK40 from Bristol, UK20 is former member Osweo from Manchester with Irish & English ancestry. I am UK19.. We are all in the first plot.
West Britain http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/celtic_zpsdd64fd67.png
The resthttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/Britain_zpsa4f0d36a.png
Zoomed outhttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/brtain2_zps7c30b47f.png

[Damião de Góis]

Graham, could you do a zoom on iberia when you have the time? Especially if a certain PT2 is there :D

[Graham]

Graham, could you do a zoom on iberia when you have the time? Especially if a certain PT2 is there :D

I'll get that done tomorrow. Too tired. Will shorten all the names also. SGCs map shows how messy it can get. lol

[Jackson]

This looks very similar to one i saw a while ago actually in terms of my position, which appears to straddle Britain and the southern half of the low countries, makes sense considering what i get on oracle results in Eurogenes.

Edit: I'm pretty much as far south as you can get for a British person, save one exception. Tr00 southerner. :D

[Jackson]

Anyone know where FR20 is from, Brittany?

[Black Wolf]

http://oi59.tinypic.com/207n6vt.jpg

Thank you. Is this the Finnish plot that David is talking about? Or the European one?

[Black Wolf]

Jax I will try this weekend, I see your code their in PCA2 which is the Euro one.

Have a plot up. But because the names are all long, I'll have to try and edit them all smaller.

Thank you Graham. I would love that. :)

[Sehnsucht]

Polako is now offering a service called Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Detective and is charging $90 US for it and it seems quite good. I payed for it and I am now receiving some interesting results. He is not completely done my analysis yet but here is some of what he had said about my results when I asked him about them so far.



I want to take this test. How do you do it? I am willing to pay the $90 because I will pay anything to find out the truth about my racial heritage

[sgc2009]

Thank you. Is this the Finnish plot that David is talking about? Or the European one?

That's the European one. The Finnish one is messier, would need to shorten the names like Graham did.

[Black Wolf]

That's the European one. The Finnish one is messier, would need to shorten the names like Graham did.

Would you be able to do the Finnish one? I wonder if I am on that one?

[sgc2009]

Would you be able to do the Finnish one? I wonder if I am on that one?

Sure, I could do it later today. You're on it, will PM you how it looks already.

[Graham]

Graham, could you do a zoom on iberia when you have the time? Especially if a certain PT2 is there :D

Here you go, all you portuguese are near each other 1-10. Good plot this is actually. You sit next to someone from Extremadura.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/adlarge_zps958db649.png

[Graham]

Jax, becaue of the way the graph works. You could sit anywhere from South to West of Finland. It doesn't work well for New worlders though.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/jax_zps31ff45c9.png

[Black Wolf]

Jax, becaue of the way the graph works. You could sit anywhere from South to West of Finland. It doesn't work well for New worlders though.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/jax_zps31ff45c9.png

Why does it not work well for New Worlders? This is based on fastIBD segment results is it not?

[Jackson]

Why does it not work well for New Worlders? This is based on fastIBD segment results is it not?

It does make sense for you to be honest, given that you are a quarter Finnish and the Finns are very visibly separate on this, it makes sense.

[Alessio]

Can you explain in short what you will learn with this ? And how it is possible for me to get on it too.


The new datasheets for the fastIBD PCA plots have been released. Would someone be so kind to run my results for me please? My Eurogenes id is CA1. I would really appreciate it if someone could.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2014/08/haplotype-based-pca-of-west-eurasia-and.html

Here is what David said about them below to get results.

Here are those datasheets. They should produce plots very similar to those above (West Eurasian, European and Finnish). I tried to include as many regular and not so regular contacts as possible. Apologies if I missed anyone out.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQa1ZacUxwTFZpYm8/edit?usp=sharing

You can run them with gnuplot. To get a 2D plot based on the first two components, try:

plot 'PCA1.txt' using 2:3:1 with labels

To use dimensions 1&3, try:

plot 'PCA1.txt' using 2:4:1 with labels

To get a 3D plot based on the the first three dimensions, try:

splot 'PCA1.txt' using 2:3:4:1 with labels